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Don't kill me pever.
and that is the start of another story, of how pevergreen ended up in Australia.
johnhughthom
08-03-2010, 22:56
Actually unvote: Imprison: jht as I never specifically said I would vote to lynch myself and voting myself off as a townie is a selfish move.
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-03-2010, 23:02
Actually unvote: Imprison: jht as I never specifically said I would vote to lynch myself and voting myself off as a townie is a selfish move.
You're so indecisive that you can't even stick a knife in your own back? Cowardice, I say!
johnhughthom
08-03-2010, 23:05
You're so indecisive that you can't even stick a knife in your own back? Cowardice, I say!
Ooh, to spill or not to spill...
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-03-2010, 23:15
Ooh, to spill or not to spill...
What? Is this supposed to be some sort of threat, because I have nothing to hide, you scoundrel!
seireikhaan
08-03-2010, 23:25
Chill out over the naming stuff. No need for this to devolve into warning points.
And thank you, looks like we'll actually be doing something this phase.
Reenk Roink
08-03-2010, 23:27
I don't have the energy for you, Reenk.
TOUGH BEANS RENATA!
Here it is, like it or not:
I didn't even like the idea of it before and was expecting the poor quality that comes from such formalized analysis.
This is because when we vote for someone after reading the thread, considering the various things, and coming to a conclusion, it's a more vague, gut feely type of thing, but at least that's all it claims to be. And it is generally the most accessible, most sober, and decently successful way of playing.
When, however, such feelings are bastardized into a formal analysis, it becomes much worse. For one, all the flaws of such a sentiment are clearly exposed. Also, fitting the evidence to support the conclusion is very difficult and it is a real art to be successful at it while avoiding all the unwarranted inferential jumps and the reading in of 'evidence' afterward to bolster the conclusion. Furthermore, by proceeding with such a formalization, one loses sight of exactly what the status of the original reason to vote someone was. It was never meant to be a rigid, valid formal case, and indeed in most cases, it is unsuccessful in passing itself off as one. Many times such an effort leads to not only external contradictions, but internal contradictions within the case itself.
My suspicions of the content of it were clearly vindicated afterward.
Post 239, right after daybreak. Arpeg “confesses” to having been role-blocked on a night when there was no attack.
Post 240: JHT votes to imprison Arpeg just in case.
This is a really bad start. I remember this round and Arpeg's little explanation, the behavior john exhibited in imprisoning Arpeg really has very little to draw from it when you actually consider what Arpeg said in post 239. I would have personally held off on voting/imprisoning or voted/imprisoned someone else but that's me. Not really much you can draw from a player getting involved at the start though. Activity wise it may suggest more interest but there are various other plausible explanations as well, not to mention that the inference from interest to 'scummy' is really tough to make, especially nowadays.
Couple posts in here about Noble Hunters and whether commoners can marry nobles, etc.
250: Autolycus suggests imprison Chaotix, same person as before can lock up ArpThis.
252: JHT switches to imprison Chaotix.
256: ArpTHIS comments on selling his short sword (to prove he’s not the axe murderer).
259: JHT says that proves nothing. ArpTHIS asks why right after, JHT wants him to give his reasons first so JHT can shoot them down. ArpTHIS does so.
This is quite the insight into john's motives. I don't see it though. It makes sense for the person who claims that some action would clear him to actually explain why that is.
264: JHT counters ArpTHIS’s arguments, but fails to concede that his selling of the sword really does demonstrate fairly well that ArpTHS wasn’t personally going around attacking people with an axe.
267: Chaotix claims his jailer role.
269: JHT – “I think we can have only one imprisonment at a time.”
271: JHT – wrong about that, but thinks Chaotix’ reasoning is strange
273: Chaotix wants the votes off him
275: Secura makes a post that rules out any chance that ArpTHIS could have started the game with a heavy axe and a sword.
What substance is here except pointing out john was mistaken about his misgivings about the sword claim and the imprisonments? I for one enjoyed john's contrarian postings. I thought they were somewhat valuable at that early stage.
Granted, I can understand wanting to have john killed because he is not being a mistaken townie; I fear the same thing from you and your analysis should you be town.
301: JHT switches back to imprison ArpTHIS, to prevent God Emperor from being lynched on no evidence.
311: ArpTHIS “… seems more than fair on town’s part”
I look upon this behavior favorably. No reason to lynch someone where you can just imprison. Granted I would not have imprisoned Arpeg (complete waste given what he revealed at that point to us), but hey was OK with it to prove himself further.
312: *** this is the post that I first noticed*** JHT: “Any reason you’re talking about town as if you’re not part of it?”
This is such classic scummy behavior. Someone makes an insignificant reference to the town from a outside perspective or scum from an inside one, or some other trivial “error” of perspective, and the scum jumps on them for it.
This seems to be your major selling point, so let's blast at it the hardest. What is classic scummy behavior? Why is it classic? Where is the evidence that such behavior can be correlated to a significant degree with scum? Is this evidence robust (i.e. not the type of evidence like used in the case above where you went back and weakly tried to pass off behavior in such a manner consistent with your conclusion). Furthermore, going beyond the correlation, is the correlation itself significant? Because a lot of behaviors can be correlated highly with scum which do not tell us anything. Is there evidence that non scum players have lower correlation levels with such behavior. Or is your evidence purely based on memorable anecdotes?
Furthermore, accepting for the sake of argument that it is classic scummy behavior, you must be making the implicit assumption that scum would follow this type of behavior. I've long stated this, but the idea that behavioral profiles is just shot. It had limited success in the early games here at the Org, because players were new, and they used to get there first Mafia or Detective roles, but even then, at that stage it had Kommodus who was quantifying a large numbers of variables mathematically and THEN (much more importantly) using what he termed his "subjective judgment" to go through the flagged players and see what was up. To somehow suggest that john is following such a classic scummy behavior in itself is quite challengable, and furthermore, there is no good inference to go from one following such behavior to him/her being scum.
More importantly, I would argue that here you are guilty of what you charge john of. After all john's comment left me completely unfazed, it was just such a little comment. The fact that such a trivial comment seems to be at the very heart of your misgivings about him really says something, if one were to accept that these kinds of behaviors are an indication of scumminess. I'm sure you would argue that your jumping on john for this comment is not as trivial as him, because of the nature of his comment, but I don't buy it, because that comment simply does not bother me like it apparently does you.
There’s no conviction here. The only common theme is the persistent questioning of plausible roleclaims and the general failure to acknowledge it when the basis for the questions is undermined. And the “town” thing, which is classic.
Even if you HAD successfully demonstrated a plausible lack of conviction (which you didn't - it would be easier to say you demonstrated either skepticism or uncertainty), there is no real reason to believe this suggests john is scummy in the slightest. At least explicitly state your inferences for believing that such lack of conviction leads to scummy behavior, nothing worse than an unwarranted assertion EXCEPT an unwarranted implicit assertion.
Essentially, you seem to be voting for john mainly because the town comment. Fair enough, but don't bother trying to justify it with this easily torn apart analysis.
Anyway, I am inclined to interpret this entire case on john as something to accomplish the following motives:
1) try and keep a constant behavior from your previous games and playstyle because you feel that this somehow will help you convince others of your innocence
2) get the discussion back on john and off yourself
So, why should you focus so much on john? He was a goner much before you wrote up that flawed analysis. Not only was your justification unsatisfactory, but the very need for such a justification is irksome. Were you really just indulging john's wish for the explanation of his shenanigans?
The round is now over; I'm going to collate the votes and draft a writeup.
Stay tuned. :3
Double A
08-04-2010, 01:03
The write-ups are the best part of the game!
Partly because NOTHING IS HAPPENING, but mostly because they're good :smiley:
I think we should stop with the imprisoning stuff, because nothing is happening at all. I think we should start loading people into the Deeproads, starting with Johnhughthom and Renata. Then we will send the town crier and the thief, my two mortal enemies. Then anyone who objects.
Captain Blackadder
08-04-2010, 01:15
Indeed I am interested to see at the end of this why the scum did not kill for so many nights.
Double A
08-04-2010, 01:20
I think we should stop with the imprisoning stuff, because nothing is happening at all. I think we should start loading people into the Deeproads, starting with Johnhughthom and Renata. Then we will send the town crier and the thief, my two mortal enemies. Then anyone who objects.
I object!
To your insane ramblings. START MAKING SENSE!
Skooma Addict
08-04-2010, 01:52
Then we will send the town crier and the thief, my two mortal enemies.
You are obsessing with the town crier in a way that is unhealthy.
*rubs him on the back to console the visibly upset dwarf*
You are obsessing with the town crier in a way that is unhealthy.
*rubs him on the back to console the visibly upset dwarf*
He started it, spreading vile untrue rumours and slurs against my character. :cry:
pevergreen
08-04-2010, 02:05
That's complete rubbish. I have even stated (perhaps in this thread) that I am not one of those PEVERGREEN characters, and nor do I intend to become one. So can it.
EDIT: g o d_______________________e m p e r o r
Don't be so pretentious. Who cares about a space or a few capital letters?
EDITEDIT: To contradict your comment even further, it even says "Call me Arpeg" next to my pic. And that's only there to help people out.
I find that offensive.
Not joking whatsoever.
End of Day Five
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Inside the Throne Room
The guests were still debating over thieves and casteless dwarves when Duncan finally returned, although the events surrounding Pinman's untimely demise were fresh on all their minds; dwarves were steering clear of the spot where he had fallen and nobody dared to utter his name in case they were the next victim of whatever had befallen their former comrade.
"A great tragedy has fallen upon Orzammar this day", Duncan said in a respectfully quiet tone, though it was audible enough for the guests to hear and cease their chatter, "and it is with a heavy heart that I inform you that Lord Ronus Dace is dead".
The reactions of the assembled guests were startingly varied; some expressed genuine grief for a gentleman that was, by all accounts, a likeable person and a true figurehead of the Noble Caste... others expressed a feeling of relief or a lack of remorse, such was their disdain for the man who had essentially tricked them out of their hard-earned coin.
"King Endrin expressed hope that you were drawing closer to a conclusion before any more innocent lives are lost... what say you?"
The crowd seemed to move as one, pushing johnhughthom before the Grey Warden; the subject of their ire fell to the ground at Duncan's feet, and was quickly restrained within the confines of an azure-hued rune that covered the stone beneath them... one of Duncan's allies was pointing his oak staff at johnhughthom and chanting to maintain the powerful spell.
However, after collating the individual votes of each guest, including the accused, it transpired that execution was not to be the order of the day, and thus Duncan had no choice but to pass johnhughthom over to the guards for a night in the cells; unlike the previous occupant, there were no qualms from the new prisoner, who seemed to exude a sense of accepting the fate rather than fighting it.
Showing slight signs of frustration, the guests dispersed for the evening, departing from the throne room to make their way to bed. Duncan sighed heavily, and spared a thought for the king and the promises he had made following Lady Dordan's demise; Endrin's patience was wearing increasingly thin, and it wouldn't be long before there were repercussions.
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Pinman was Lord Ronus Dace.
https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/Dragon%20Age%20Origins/The%20Aeducan%20Succession/LordDace.jpg He was innocent!
Start of Night Five
Night will end at 20:00 GMT, 06/08/10 or sooner if I have received orders from everyone!
Imprisonment
johnhughthom: 8 - Double A, Renata, Skooma Addict, Khazaar, Romanic, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Captain Blackadder, johnhughthom
Alive: (15/17)
TheFlax
Double A
Beskar
Renata
Skooma Addict
Chaotix
ArpeggiateTHIS
Yaseikhaan
Khazaar
Romanic
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Captain Blackadder
autolycus
johnhughthom
God Emperor
Deceased
Pinman - Lord Ronus Dace
Fled into the Deep Roads
Reenk Roink - Legionnaire Roldim
At last there is one good thing about this imprison we know for definate. Johnanne is actually a Johnanne.
Imprisonment
johnhughthom: 8 - Double A, Renata, Skooma Addict, Khazaar, Romanic, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Captain Blackadder, johnhughthom
The final tally should have been:
7 Imprison JHT (Captain Blackadder, Double A, Johnhughthom, Khazaar, Romanic, Skooma, Split)
7 Lynch JHT (Arpeg, Beskar, Chaotix, God Emperor, Renata, TheFlax, Yaseikhaan)
Somehow Renata was still voting to imprison JHT even after she changed her vote:
I don't have the energy for you, Reenk.
un-imprison, vote: JHT
I also noticed that Renata's name in Italic characters in the writeup. Secura, is this a ruling that you've made about Renata's vote change? (she used un-imprison instead of unvote, maybe?)
The final tally should have been
The tally provided in the writeup is correct.
Late vote, probably.
No wait, maybe not. Secura, was my vote late?
God Emperor
08-04-2010, 11:33
your vote came before she ended the round. We most likely have a politician that tingles with the votes
Late vote, probably.
No wait, maybe not. Secura, was my vote late?
:smug2:
Missing morning coffee much Renata?
TOUGH BEANS RENATA!
I didn't even like the idea of it before and was expecting the poor quality that comes from such formalized analysis.
And you found what you expected to find, surprise surprise.
This is because when we vote for someone after reading the thread, considering the various things, and coming to a conclusion, it's a more vague, gut feely type of thing, but at least that's all it claims to be. And it is generally the most accessible, most sober, and decently successful way of playing.
So you may believe. But that's not the way I play, and it never has been. Further trashing of my playstyle will be ignored. Whether my conclusions about JHT are reasonable can be left as an exercise for the reader.
This seems to be your major selling point, so let's blast at it the hardest. What is classic scummy behavior? Why is it classic? Where is the evidence that such behavior can be correlated to a significant degree with scum?
This, on the other hand, is too much. The evidence is that I've seen it happen, many times. Not so much here, for whatever reason, or at least I haven't much noticed it. But on the other group of sites I play at, the current concensus is that about 90% of the time, such comments are made by scum. It is, I think, a matter of psychology/instinct. The mafia can't find honest reasons to vote for people, because there are none. And even when there are multiple mafia teams in the game, all the other extra considerations and the burden of lying all the time tend to get in the way. So, it being difficult or impossible for them *actually* to try to find the mafia, they will sieze on things that are superficially odd or not-quite-right out of all proportion to the town. One of the ways this has tended to come out is in the pointing out of "slips" -- when other players actually or seemingly say things that betray non-town information or a non-town perspective. Just look at me in Zhou: I was all over Romanic for knowing things he should not -- I was mafia, he wasn't.
Town actually does catch "factual" slips like those I gave Romanic a hard time over -- IMO mafia does it out of proportion to their numbers, but town does do it. But this other kind of thing, like what JHT did, the "perspective" slip -- that one is usually the mafia. For some reason, the town hardly ever notices or calls out things like that. But the mafia, maybe because they're so focused on finding the odd -- the stuff other people will vote for -- does see it.
You can suspect me, Reenk, if you honestly do and this is not just leftover revenge or something, but please don't tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to finding the mafia. That just irritates me beyond all belief.
Anyway, I am inclined to interpret this entire case on john as something to accomplish the following motives:
1) try and keep a constant behavior from your previous games and playstyle because you feel that this somehow will help you convince others of your innocence
2) get the discussion back on john and off yourself
So, why should you focus so much on john? He was a goner much before you wrote up that flawed analysis. Not only was your justification unsatisfactory, but the very need for such a justification is irksome. Were you really just indulging john's wish for the explanation of his shenanigans?
No. I'm pissed at the game and pissed at myself for reasons I'll explain after it's all over. I haven't been doing what I should. That was a misguided effort to make the case I should have made the first time I voted for him. But misguided because I should have known to try to do it in 20 distracted minutes at the end of the day would do more harm than good, not because it wasn't worth doing at all.
And I volunteer to be chucked in jail again (by Chaotix) if he has no better ideas. It's not like I have anything better to do with my time, and at least it might remind some people that I'm not going around chopping at people with axes.
No. I'm pissed at the game.
This makes Secura a sad panda. :<
Reenk Roink
08-04-2010, 20:49
And you found what you expected to find, surprise surprise.
Of course I did and of course it wasn't a surprise to me. And my reasons for doing so were stated.
So you may believe. But that's not the way I play, and it never has been. Further trashing of my playstyle will be ignored. Whether my conclusions about JHT are reasonable can be left as an exercise for the reader.
Well of course they are left to the reader. I certainly didn't find them convincing and I want to convince other people why that is, hence the nitpicking.
This, on the other hand, is too much. The evidence is that I've seen it happen, many times. Not so much here, for whatever reason, or at least I haven't much noticed it. But on the other group of sites I play at, the current concensus is that about 90% of the time, such comments are made by scum. It is, I think, a matter of psychology/instinct. The mafia can't find honest reasons to vote for people, because there are none. And even when there are multiple mafia teams in the game, all the other extra considerations and the burden of lying all the time tend to get in the way. So, it being difficult or impossible for them *actually* to try to find the mafia, they will sieze on things that are superficially odd or not-quite-right out of all proportion to the town. One of the ways this has tended to come out is in the pointing out of "slips" -- when other players actually or seemingly say things that betray non-town information or a non-town perspective. Just look at me in Zhou: I was all over Romanic for knowing things he should not -- I was mafia, he wasn't.
Town actually does catch "factual" slips like those I gave Romanic a hard time over -- IMO mafia does it out of proportion to their numbers, but town does do it. But this other kind of thing, like what JHT did, the "perspective" slip -- that one is usually the mafia. For some reason, the town hardly ever notices or calls out things like that. But the mafia, maybe because they're so focused on finding the odd -- the stuff other people will vote for -- does see it.
You give a figure of 90%. Now validate it by listing every game you played. Of course, I'm not so much of a hardass that I expect exactly 90%, I'll do a statistical analysis of how many games you played and the number of players/mafia in each and come up with a margin of error where your figure can slide under, because I'm a very nice guy. :kid:
I am not going to wholly disagree with your general idea of mafia psychology instinct, I think some of it has a degree of promise. I am, however, going to disagree with the classification of john's post as such.
By the way, you yourself have stated: "Not so much here, for whatever reason, or at least I haven't much noticed it" so even if your 90% claim turned out to be correct for the whole of all the games on all the sites, you would need to apply it here. Do you not see by your own admission that this kind of behavior might not be the flag you think it is at the Org?
Your anecdote is unconvincing not only because I wanted a clear pattern to dispel my skepticism of the "classic scummy behavior" but also for these reasons:
1) the analogy is way to general to apply strongly to this specific thing about john
2) the analogy does not even really fit the john quote and case
3) your interpretation of the events may be different from my own
You can suspect me, Reenk, if you honestly do and this is not just leftover revenge or something, but please don't tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to finding the mafia. That just irritates me beyond all belief.
This isn't mainly a suspect post. I haven't made any strong accusations of you of being Mafia because I don't believe in it strongly enough to do so. I just don't like this townie style of play whatsoever. Also I think criticizing a players playing style is more than fair game but still, I apologize now and will again at end game for irritating you. But, I think a good deal of my criticisms have strong merit, and I intend to continue pushing them until for whatever reason I stop having the desire to.
Note how the length and content of my posts became more serious once you posted your analysis on john; before that it was just two light content posts. I would suggest that you make an inference from that to see exactly where my harshest criticism of you comes from.
What reason would I have to revenge against you primarily? I am, of course, furiously plotting the demise of all those who voted to exile me, but you weren't among them. You were just a voter who didn't vote to spare me either, so you're lower on the list.
No. I'm pissed at the game and pissed at myself for reasons I'll explain after it's all over. I haven't been doing what I should. That was a misguided effort to make the case I should have made the first time I voted for him. But misguided because I should have known to try to do it in 20 distracted minutes at the end of the day would do more harm than good, not because it wasn't worth doing at all.
You shouldn't be mad at yourself, you are the most interesting thing for me in this game aside from Secura's writeups. There's a reason I rarely play Mafia, and as I've told Secura, I was getting sick of the way the game was going (the play of the players - not anything with the host herself) after 1 ROUND, but this game has shown there are still some thrills left. :bow:
The round is going to be extended by twenty-four hours due to unforeseen circumstances yesterday; it will now conclude at 20:00 GMT, 07/08/10.
Essentially, I said that the relevant updated PMs would be drafted and sent out yesterday after I returned home from work, but I was roped into helping my sister moved into her new flat and was exhausted afterwards, so they ended up being forgotten.
That won't be the case today... thanks for being patient. :3
Your sister has a new new flat? Or simply she left a ton of stuff at your fathers which was never moved?
Your sister has a new new flat? Or simply she left a ton of stuff at your fathers which was never moved?
Her six months at that horrible place in town had expired and she decided not to continue living there, and so she's renting a nice place from a family member not far from your home; it's far nicer and cheaper to boot.
*goes back to working on PMs*
Her six months at that horrible place in town had expired and she decided not to continue living there, and so she's renting a nice place from a family member not far from your home; it's far nicer and cheaper to boot.
*goes back to working on PMs*
Oh, I thought she was there already. Nevermind.
The phase is over; I'm off to collate the results and start on a writeup/results PMs.
T'was a busy night phase... :P
End of Night Five
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On the streets of Dust Town
While much of Orzammar grew dark and silent during the late hours, the opposite applied to Dust Town; while the nobles in the Diamond Quarter dreamed of more wealth and blacksmiths fantasised about their next piece of supreme swordsmanship, thieves and brigands stalked the streets of Dust Town in search for easy pickings.
Or at least, most of them did; while criminality was an inherent aspect of those who resided in the lower reaches of the city, the enjoyment of such activity was by no means the same way. Many committed to a life of petty theft or prostitution because there was simply no other way to survive; they were casteless, and the laws that protected the wealthy had no bearing on them... Dust Town was a case of every dwarf for himself.
Captain Blackadder knew this, and it was with a heavy heart that he trudged back to his hovel; he had just been engaged in an altercation in the Commons, largely a case of mistaken identity though he had been at fault for something entirely different at the time.
There was a loud squeal nearby, causing Blackadder to spin around to the source of the noise; from the shadows to his right, a nug dashed past, persisting in it's raucous squealing... something had to have frightened it, but what?
"W-who's there?", Blackadder stammered, his voice tinged with uncertainty and caution; there was no vocalised response, but he could definitely hear the audible sounds of platemetal footfalls getting closer and closer.
Before the dwarf had time to respond, the plate-clad attacker hurled his axe towards Blackadder, who managed to nimbly dodge; however, his assailant had been mastering the use of the weapon over the last few nights, and used this time to dash over and slam a steel-laden fist into his prey's jaw, knocking the casteless dwarf to the dust-covered ground.
Blackadder tried to right himself, his vision blurred; he punched once, twice, three times, each hitting nothingness and each met with a dry, almost metallic laugh. Through his watery eyes, Cap'n could make out a glint of silvery-steel high in the air... and then there was nothing but crimson and black.
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In the Hall of Heroes
The Hall of Heroes... grand entrance to the city of Orzammar and home to dozens of hewn pewter statues of the revered paragons; from Branka, creator of smokeless coal, to Varen, the dwarf that introduced the edibility of the nug to Orzammar.
It lies completely silent, with the night's current guards leaving the room unwatched due to superstition, instead preferring to wait on the other side of the room's doors, be that outside in the cold or within the Commons; silent save for the gentle footfalls of two dwarves, pacing across the stone towards the centre of the room, the doors to the inner city closing behind them.
"I told you the place would be quiet", Romanic whispered as he removed his cloak and placed it at the foot of a nearby statue that read 'Paragon Garal', "the perfect spot for a duel, no?"
His companion nodded gruffly over his shoulder, discarding his own cloak and turning to face Romanic, who was evaluating how sharp his daggers were; a stubby finger ran across the edges of the blades, the grimace on Romanic's face from the momentary pain melted into a grin as scarlet beads of blood pooled at the small incision.
"Excellent, as sharp as ever!", he remarked before elegantly performing a few combat manoeuvers in front of his dueling partner, who didn't seem to pay more attention and instead focused upon ensuring his own weapon was up to par, the sounds of steel audibly cutting through the air around him.
"You're" *SWOOSH* "pretty" *SWOOSH* "quiet!"
*SSSSNNNIIIIKKKKKTTTTTT*
Romanic looked up to see that both of his blades had slammed hard against his dueling partner's colossal hammer, metal loudly scraping against metal; he grinned, then turned on the spot and began an assault, raining a series of slashes at his opponent.
"That's more like it!"
The second dwarf grunted and mustered his strength, parrying each of Romanic's attacks with minimal effort, allowing the nimble dwarf to exhaust himself on a fruitless attack; strike after strike slammed against the handle of the warhammer, and Romanic grew tired as he failed to land an effective blow.
Sensing an opportunity, his dueling companion switched to the offensive, swinging the maul in an upwards thrust, knocking Romanic clean off his feet, whereby he hit the ground with a thud and a groan.
"Have you been practicing?", Romanic coughed, clutching his chest as he struggled to get to his feet; his companion did not respond, but the fallen rogue could hear his footsteps growing closer and closer until they stopped before him.
"You could say that", came a gruff response; the heavy warhammer was lifted high into the air and swiftly brought down upon Romanic's head with a sickening crunch, blood silently seeping onto the stone, his life snuffed out in a matter of minutes.
Day Six
Voting concludes at 00:00 GMT, 11/08/10
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On the streets of the Diamond Quarter
Town criers pour onto the streets as the city guards begin to light the torches, illuminating Orzammar for the day; the criers begin to shout the same message over and over to anyone who walked by.
"News of the hour! Beskar blames press for personal problems! Claims the town criers are 'liars' and 'fools' after being asked who he was visiting in the lock up! Scandalous!"
Meanwhile, in a nearby corner, a gaggle of women were gossiping away about cookery, clothes and other things, but there was one particular rumour that was of great interest.
"Did you hear about Captain Blackadder? Rumour has it, he's made quite alot of enemies over the last few nights!"
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On the streets of the Commons
The merchants of Orzammar had been busy arranging their wares long before the guards had emerged; it took hours to haul equipment from homes to stalls, and then there was the presentation of it all... cuirasses fixed upon training dummies, swords propped up against walls. piles of sparkling gems and boxes lined with various tonics.
There were two fine items available for purchase that day:
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The Aeducan Aegis
Shield
+2 Constitution, the wielder is immune to injuries
This item requires a minimum bid of five gold and can only be wielded by Warriors; additionally, this item cannot be equipped alongside a two-handed weapon.
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A Cute Nug
'Trinket'
Effects vary depending on the owner
This item requires a minimum bid of five gold and can be used by anyone.
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In the Throne Room of the Royal Palace
The guests assembled in the throne room, where both Duncan and King Endrin Aeducan were waiting, though the pair were entirely different in their poise as they greeted the arrivals; the Grey Warden stood tall and proud, offering a polite nod to all who walked past, while the king was hunched in his throne, silently sobbing and not paying any heed to his guests.
Duncan looked to the sovereign, feeling no small amount of concern for the aged monarch, then walked forward and addressed the nervous dwarves, their own eyes flickering to and fro between Duncan and their king, completely oblivious to johnhughthom's return to the fold following his night in prison.
"Further tragedy strikes during the night", he said solemnly with thoughts of regret in his mind, "during the night, Prince Vandorn was slain during a duel in the Hall of Heroes".
The assembled guests dissolved into accusations, tears and threats; Vandorn was known throughout Orzammar as the favorite son of their king, the child most likely to follow in his father's footsteps and claim the crown... and now he was dead.
"Perhaps less known, but by no means less important, was the casteless thief known as Bryzil", Duncan continued, "who was found dead outside his home in Dust Town".
There was a distinct lack of emotion shown for the deceased Bryzil, and Duncan thought that he could hear callous cheers from those that may have had their coin purloined by the thief; Duncan knew better than to judge someone based on their social standing, and privately muttered a few parting words for the thief.
"The coins stolen by Bryzil have been given to various denizens of Dust Town, so that his sacrifice may help othe-"
"Ha!"
There was a sharp laugh from behind Duncan; the Grey Warden turned around to see King Endrin chuckling, tears trickling down his face, running from unsympathetic eyes down to a grimacing mouth.
"Sacrifice? You think the life of some casteless pup holds the same value as my child, Duncan?"
King Endrin rose from his throne and levelled his gaze at the Grey Warden, who looked back with uncertainty; he was used to the Wardens receiving this level of animosity, but had no expected it from the dwarven monarch with whom he shared a decent level of understanding.
"Your presence here has brought nothing but ill tidings to House Aeducan", the elderly sovereign roared, "I want all of you out of my home!"
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Inside the Halls of the Shaperate
Duncan conversed at length with Shaper Czibor, who nodded and bowed his head in near-reverence for the Grey Warden before returning to his work. Duncan walked back to the king's guests, huddled near the entrace, and beckoned them over towards a quiet room.
"The Shaperate have permitted us the use of this room for our meetings", Duncan nodded, as if reading the minds of those present, "the king's outburst is understandable, but it must not interfere with our goal".
There were general murmurs of agreeance from the guests, in addition to some cries of support for the Wardens and inevitable hostility from others, all of which was seemingly shrugged off by Duncan, his face as difficult to read as ever.
The Grey Warden proceeded to lay an amulet upon the table, explaining that it had belonged to Lord Dace and it felt appropriate to allow his allies to use the item as he had done, as long as they could vote and agree who should have the item.
"Aside of this, I'm able to inform you that Prince Trian Aeducan has been appointed as military commander of Orzammar following the death of his brother", the tanned Warden added, "which carries all the benefits that the position held for Vandorn".
Duncan then took a seat nearby and waited for the frenzied discussion to commence.
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Captain Blackadder was Bryzil.
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Romanic was Prince Vandorn Aeducan.
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Alive: (13/17)
TheFlax
Double A
Beskar
Renata
Skooma Addict
Chaotix
ArpeggiateTHIS
Yaseikhaan
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
autolycus
johnhughthom
God Emperor
Deceased
Pinman - Lord Ronus Dace
Captain Blackadder - Bryzil
Romanic - Prince Vandorn Aeducan
Fled into the Deep Roads
Reenk Roink - Legionnaire Roldim
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A few things:
As you can see, auctions are back, so feel free to ask for your gold totals and bid away.
The amulet left behind by the deceased Pinman is up for a vote, and can be voted for with amulet: Secura or whatnot.
Thank you for being patient regarding this writeup, hope the wait's not killed anyone's interest!
johnhughthom
08-09-2010, 22:57
Two deaths while I'm locked up? I wonder will we see a bandwagon on me again, though I admit I deserved it last round with my scummy actions. They were merely intended to drum up some discussion in a game that seems to lack direction and focus from the town, I didn't expect to come quite so close to exile...
God Emperor
08-09-2010, 23:11
Yes I agree John. Though there are chances that you are a mafia,though very small at the moment.
Perhaps the killer did not strike because he could convert. I will have to read back to find likeable mafia scums, before making any new accusations. It has been a little while since last round :p
Just to spite Romanic's killer, I am going to name him. It was Double A, also known as Trian Aeducan.
However, Double A is not the mafia, he is just a very naughty boy.
On the suspect of who is Mafia, it is Renata.
Vote: Renata
Renata, especially due to her actions last phase, is prime example of "attempting to deflect attention". Reenk Roink, even if we disagree at times, is actually right on the mark, he is correct, he has nailed us the mafia, you get a :bow: from me.
Don't bother imprisoning, don't bother fooling around, lets just nail this murdering mafia scummy mc scum scum.
seireikhaan
08-09-2010, 23:35
I'm bugged by Renata's asking to be blocked. And the tone seems.... high strung. Vote: Renata
Chaotix, who did you block last night?
johnhughthom
08-09-2010, 23:38
Might I ask why you are so sure Double A isn't the mafia we are looking for Beskie?
Well, you already know the answer to that already, Johnanne. You are afterall, sharing the same bed as him.
johnhughthom
08-09-2010, 23:44
That's not an answer to my question.
God Emperor
08-09-2010, 23:53
Where does this information on double A come from Beskar? It really needs a little explanation.
autolycus
08-10-2010, 00:09
I'd like to hear more on what Double A is doing killing his brother, and some thing is rubbing me wrong about Renata. However, the thing that triggers my suspicion the most is that we haven't seen any sign of khazaar since the poisoning of Lord Dace.
I therefore move that we either kill or exile him.
Vote:Khazaar
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 00:27
I agree with autolycus. Though we have heard very little from khaan too, though here may be more people that I have just missed. I don't think we can cast off a good vote before we have heard what Chaotix did last night phase.
Oh, I forgot to say, Autolycus is 2nd suspect on my list, so night kill him tonight or lynch him tomorrow. Especially now since he is trying to deflect the lynch away from Renata. However, we are killing Renata today, there is no room for distractions.
As for the information on Double A, it is because Romanic told me. Double A was trying to get me killed thinking I was Vandorn. If you played Dragon Age, it should be aware pretty quickly who I am, as Vandorn is the 'player character', aka, the main hero of his game. I am his Robin.
Because of this, I also know Double A is not mafia, but just a naughty boy who is trying to kill off his brothers.
Thought so Beskie. I'll trust you on this one.
Vote: Renata
fos: autolycus for trying to go for the ultra easy lynch.
autolycus
08-10-2010, 01:26
Really, TheFlax? You add the third vote to a bandwagon and you fos me for trying to go for the ultra easy lynch?
We have had three different kinds of kills: the poison, the ax-guy and the duelist. Beskar gives us the identity of the duelist, but says we shouldn't touch him, and insists that we must lynch Renata today. I cast one vote in different direction, and he says we need to kill me tomorrow. I don't have a problem with a Renata lynch, I'd just like some more discussion. When everyone's on one bandwagon, we don't get any voting data to derive scum from.
Voting for Khazaar won't get any discussion going, that's almost a certainty. Its voting for someone that probably won't reply to you, its a really easy vote.
You can argue that a bandwagon is an easy vote too and that I'm a hypocrite for saying what I said all you want. I know I'm an innocent, I'm not concerned about my voting choice and I'll explain myself if need be. But I have no idea what alignment you have and so I'm calling you out on what I think is an odd vote.
I'm curious though, why such a strong reaction to a fos? Its not like I'm voting for you or even advocating your lynch. Yet, you don't even react to the fact that Beskar is calling for you to be vigged.
Actually, you could ask Romanic, but I don't think he can answer, but I said you and Renata were my top two and should be removed from the game, doing another scummy post will not help your case.
On another note, if a certain noble doesn't stop causing trouble with the town criers, I will reveal their identity.
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 01:57
You suddenly seem to know the identity of everyone Beskar ^_^ who is the mafia btw ? :p
Joking aside, I think I may just as well cast my vote now. Vote: Renata . Could anyone help me refresh my memories of the game a little? We have had a few people that seems likely to be innocent and these people are: Chaotix, Arpeg, JHT, Double A (As he apparently is only killing of the royal family :p?) and now Beskar. I feel like trusting him at least. Is this list correct or am I missing something?
Khaazar seems too inactive to be a target for our lynch, and it would not help us, as mentioned by the flax, because it is most likely that he will not talk. If we follow this pattern, then we have a very few suspects left
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 02:02
That leaves: TheFlax, Renata, Autolycus, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Khaazar, myself (from your perspective) and Scooma addict
Well, from what Secura has said, people can change 'alignments' as it were. So your confirmed list of innocents isn't so. No one is confirmed innocent.
Sure, you could try to kill me to see if I am telling the truth or not, but it is pointless, I revealed myself, the mafia will most likely kill me off, at least for revenge, as I am on their tail.
Also, I believe this point needs to be raised again, which was done by Yaseikhaan -
Chaotix, who did you block last night?
You suddenly seem to know the identity of everyone Beskar ^_^ who is the mafia btw ? :p
My top two suspects as I have said, are Renata and Autolycus. With Renata, that is pretty obvious, there is so much smoke, there has to be a fire.
OK, you got me.
I killed Lady Dordan and Lord Dace, and about the only thing I can say I did correctly this game is to sneak in one more kill last night. The lucky recipient will find out who he is in a day or two.
Sorry for doing such a crap job, Secura.
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 02:31
If people can change alignments, then do you think that double A may be a person that may change alignment if he manage to kill of all the royal family?
Chaotix has been extreemly inactive ever since he roleclaimed :( , so we may even be forced to act without him.
autolycus
08-10-2010, 03:34
Well, that confession seems fairly decisive, if a bit odd. unvote, vote: Renata.
autolycus
08-10-2010, 03:38
After the first line, TheFlax, my earlier post wasn't aimed primarily at you, it was a general justification of my voting decision, intended partially as a rebuttal to beskar's claim that I was trying to deflect the lynch away from Renata.
Skooma Addict
08-10-2010, 04:04
Vote: Renata
@Beskar
What reason does Trian have to kill off his brothers? That's something I would have expected from Bhelen.
P.S. I've played all the character story arc's except the two dwarves, so if the answer is in their respective stories then I apologize.
Renata, you may not have realised, but you just given far more weight to another one of my susipicions.
You wouldn't have made such a move, if it wasn't to hide something from the town. It isn't simply a case of losing, it is a tactical move, akin to killing your scum buddy to look innocent. In otherwords, you are covering for some one so they can hit in your lynch and eventual death.
Also, interesting, Autolycus begins to change his tune too after the post.
Renata is covering for Autolycus? Or is she covering for some one else?
What reason does Trian have to kill off his brothers? That's something I would have expected from Bhelen.
P.S. I've played all the character story arc's except the two dwarves, so if the answer is in their respective stories then I apologize.
Vandoran in this case is the favoured son of the King, successor to the throne. Trian is the first-born, there is no love between the two brothers, as Trian himself wants to be king. As for Bhelen, he simply the underdog, pretending to be second to both Trian and yourself, but infact, he 'gets' the political game more than anyone else.
Bhelen and Trian are most likely fighting over who gets to get king, with Vandoran (the Warden Recruit) simply in the middle, wrong place at the wrong time.
Also, I think it would be pretty clear if Trian would become the mafia. Instead, we get this:
"Aside of this, I'm able to inform you that Prince Trian Aeducan has been appointed as military commander of Orzammar following the death of his brother", the tanned Warden added, "which carries all the benefits that the position held for Vandorn".
On the otherhand, if Trian killed a non-Aeducan, he might turn mafia. Let's say, for example, Dace.
Also you sent me no hippe chick picture. :sad:
On another note:
The coins stolen by Bryzil...
Good news, the thief is now dead. :smash:
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 09:49
Revealing who Renata killed could be the real cover up. For an example it may cover for Double A. How can you be certain Beskar that Double A is Trian and not Bhelem? Perhaps I was just confused by scooma addicts posts.
We shall at least have Renata removed now. In fact secura could even end the round now, there is no way we are going to change our votes on her.
We should have Double A lynched soon if he killed Romanic. If he is not a mafia already, chances are that he will turn into one very soon.
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 10:06
And Beskar if you infact know the name of the towncrier, please let the name be heard.
In fact secura could even end the round now, there is no way we are going to change our votes on her.
I could, but I'd prefer to have votes from every single player regardless... :P
autolycus
08-10-2010, 12:49
I think that we should give the amulet to amuet:johnhughthom.
Watching you guys try to figure out what I'm up to should be interesting. I'm happy to encourage a little paranoia if it costs me nothing.
I think that we should give the amulet to amuet:johnhughthom.
Yes, because we should allow the mafia to decide.
Amulet: Beskar
Haven't a clue what amulet it is, if it is not for me, I will simply give it away to some one who would benefit more from it.
johnhughthom
08-10-2010, 13:26
I think that we should give the amulet to amuet:johnhughthom.
A very kind thought, but I already have a nice pendant. If you were to buy me a nug I'd be much obliged, my Prince hasn't been very generous.
autolycus
08-10-2010, 14:08
If you don't want the amulet, you don't have to have it. unamulet, amulet God Emperor. Beskar, night 4 you were imprisoned, and we saw no sign of ax-related activity. Care to comment?
Other than you trying to divert attention from yourself, when it is clear I am not any of the night attackers?
You are the 2nd scum. You are getting lynched tomorrow.
Also, God Emperor, the paranoia about me knowing about you speaks for itself. I didn't actually know who the town crier was, but thanks to your remarks, I now know it is you.
johnhughthom
08-10-2010, 14:29
Vote: Renata
Amulet: Beskar
How can you be certain Beskar that Double A is Trian and not Bhelem? Perhaps I was just confused by scooma addicts posts.
Because I know who both Trian and Bhelen are, thanks to Romanic.
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 14:39
Also, God Emperor, the paranoia about me knowing about you speaks for itself. I didn't actually know who the town crier was, but thanks to your remarks, I now know it is you.
You are simply just wrong there. Not that it matters much.
If Chaotix shows up, then he should have the amulet. If he does not show up, then I don't care if either myself or Beskar gets the amulet.
Nope, he shouldn't get it.
You are simply just wrong there. Not that it matters much.
O rly? You can attempt to deny it, won't do anything. I have no interest in killing members of the town, however deluded they are.
I have mafia suspects to deal with.
autolycus
08-10-2010, 16:17
I thought chaotix might have a strategic reason for hiding whom he blocked, but he hasn't been on since the game day started, so I'm going to assume he doesn't. I was jailed last night, I assume by chaotix.
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-10-2010, 16:20
Amulet: Gorim...I mean Beskar. I presume that when you say you were Vandorn's "robin", you mean Gorim.
I'm confused as to the Renata situation. Why would anybody in their right mind confess like that, if not to cover for somebody else or just pull a ludicrous bluff. Either way, I'm not standing for it: Vote: Renata
Captain Blackadder
08-10-2010, 16:26
Bahh damn you all why couldn't you let the poor humble theif continue about his business?
I must say, thank you for never stealing from me. Things would have been even awkward if you had.
Reenk Roink
08-10-2010, 16:46
Can I please have the amulet?
Amulet: Reenk Roink
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 17:10
Vote: Reenk Roink for not staying in his grave
He fled in the woods, maybe he's back?
Not a chance. I'd be dead already.
Bahh damn you all why couldn't you let the poor humble theif continue about his business?
Because you metagamed me. >:(
Double A
08-10-2010, 19:28
Revealing who Renata killed could be the real cover up. For an example it may cover for Double A. How can you be certain Beskar that Double A is Trian and not Bhelem? Perhaps I was just confused by scooma addicts posts.
We shall at least have Renata removed now. In fact secura could even end the round now, there is no way we are going to change our votes on her.
We should have Double A lynched soon if he killed Romanic. If he is not a mafia already, chances are that he will turn into one very soon.
I'm not going to comment on this, my brain cells are dying too fast from the stupidity you're splashing on me.
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-10-2010, 19:41
Bahh damn you all why couldn't you let the poor humble theif continue about his business?
That business so happened to affect me and my coin stash. I'm quite pleased that you're no longer around.
Skooma Addict
08-10-2010, 19:57
Amulet: Beskar
You now have your picture.
You guys are mean to the poor casteless thief.
God Emperor
08-10-2010, 20:51
I'm not going to comment on this, my brain cells are dying too fast from the stupidity you're splashing on me.
Since you so kindly refere to my actions as stupid, I don't see how you can avoid commenting on it, on a more serious level. What makes it so extreemly stupid? Did you not kill Romanic as Beskar tells?
seireikhaan
08-10-2010, 22:13
Keep it civil, folks.
Amulet: Beskar
Double A
08-10-2010, 23:39
Since you so kindly refere to my actions as stupid, I don't see how you can avoid commenting on it, on a more serious level. What makes it so extreemly stupid? Did you not kill Romanic as Beskar tells?
Fine.
(ooc: By the way, I had to go to the dentists then, so I had to keep it short. :shrug:)
Revealing who Renata killed could be the real cover up. For an example it may cover for Double A. How can you be certain Beskar that Double A is Trian and not Bhelen? Perhaps I was just confused by Skooma Addict's posts.
Because I'm not Bhelen? I know who he is, and I just want to say, I don't really care. But nor will I reveal it, because 1) there's no point to, and 2) the mafia would probably attack him. And me, regardless of if I'm actually Trian.
We shall at least have Renata removed now. In fact secura could even end the round now, there is no way we are going to change our votes on her.
Could if someone is a bit late in revealing someone else is guilty. Like you, you seem kind of guilty.
We should have Double A lynched soon if he killed Romanic. If he is not a mafia already, chances are that he will turn into one very soon.
*facepalm*
Vote: Renata
Anybody know who chaotix put in the slammer lastnight?
God Emperor
08-11-2010, 00:37
It does not matter if you are Bhelen or not. what matters is if you killed Romanic.
Double A
08-11-2010, 00:38
So you're saying if I killed Vandorn, I'm mafia, regardless of what my role PM says or not?
Does the term "shades of gray" mean anything to you?
Kill the neutrals, kill the neutrals!!
God Emperor
08-11-2010, 01:23
I don't see why you wish to keep this aggresive tone Double A.. I know I said that I thought you are a good choice to lynch, and sorry if it offended you.
There is no way I would change my vote on you today, so it is not an important discussion to have right away. But you must understand that you are likely to be/become a mafia, when you run around killing your brother(s)
johnhughthom
08-11-2010, 01:25
I don't see why you wish to keep this aggresive tone Double A.. I know I said that I thought you are a good choice to lynch, and sorry if it offended you.
There is no way I would change my vote on you today, so it is not an important discussion to have right away. But you must understand that you are likely to be/become a mafia, when you run around killing your brother(s)
My story is common knowledge, I got a new role pm when I joined with Double A and went from neutral to innocent. Now I'm not saying it's beyond the realms of possibility Double A lost his innocent status when killing his brother but I don't think it's likely.
Double A
08-11-2010, 01:26
Not really, you're just as likely to become mafia by doing normal townie stuff in a game where townies are recruitable.
And thus far, there has been no evidence, or even reason as to why, the mafia could recruit.
Unless this is PIS, in which case you're boned.
God Emperor
08-11-2010, 01:29
I don't know what PISing is . . People could change roles durring the game. Beskar reminded me that just a few posts ago. knowing that, I think it makes sense to look for people who could have a reason for a sudden role change.
Double A
08-11-2010, 01:31
Perfect Information Syndrome.
It means you know something other people don't, but you think they do, and then you say it to act more townish, but you end up being lynched for acting scumish.
autolycus
08-11-2010, 01:33
Vote: Renata
Anybody know who chaotix put in the slammer lastnight?
Unless someone else has slammer-putting capabilities, it was me. I got put in the slammer, and I assume it was chaotix who put me there.
johnhughthom
08-11-2010, 01:36
:jawdrop: :shocked3:
Hold the phones and stop the presses. I just learned something from Double A. :ahh:
Double A
08-11-2010, 02:22
Oh, har-dee-har-har.
Unless someone else has slammer-putting capabilities, it was me. I got put in the slammer, and I assume it was chaotix who put me there.
This is true.
I'm sorry for being so inactive lately; I've been going on overnight trips to colleges all week, and I don't have a laptop to bring with me.
I'd say this most probably clears autolycus, due to there being another kill besides the one that Trian pulled off, but I wouldn't be certain yet. Renata's the best choice for today.
Vote: Renata
:jawdrop: :shocked3:
Hold the phones and stop the presses. I just learned something from Double A. :ahh:
I just learnt something from autolycus and Chaotix.
They are scum buddies.
I have been waiting all round for this move and I am like this -> :beam:, I been going "Come on, cover for your scum buddy..." all round, even hinted at it, and pow, he does it.
Renata, autolycus and Chaotix mafia team. Explains why Chaotix hasn't been touched all game even though he fully revealed. It is because he was either mafia at start, or converted.
The reason Renata is going out like she is, is to be a "free target" for her buddies, auto and chaotix. I been pressing the heat on autolycus intentionally, he was my 2nd suspect. I had a little inkling Chaotix was possibly a third, if you look back, I said things like "This point needs to be emphasised, who did you jail, Chaotix?" and even hinted at his scumminess. Now he plays the move I lined him up for, by pressuring his buddy, he is going to try to save his buddy and lo and behold, it is right. :laugh4:
:elephant:
Also, do any vig kills on Chaotix. He won't be able to save himself. He would attempt to defend autolycus.
I just learnt something from autolycus and Chaotix.
They are scum buddies.
I have been waiting all round for this move and I am like this -> :beam:, I been going "Come on, cover for your scum buddy..." all round, even hinted at it, and pow, he does it.
Renata, autolycus and Chaotix mafia team. Explains why Chaotix hasn't been touched all game even though he fully revealed. It is because he was either mafia at start, or converted.
The reason Renata is going out like she is, is to be a "free target" for her buddies, auto and chaotix. I been pressing the heat on autolycus intentionally, he was my 2nd suspect. I had a little inkling Chaotix was possibly a third, if you look back, I said things like "This point needs to be emphasised, who did you jail, Chaotix?" and even hinted at his scumminess. Now he plays the move I lined him up for, by pressuring his buddy, he is going to try to save his buddy and lo and behold, it is right. :laugh4:
:elephant:
.......what?
I suppose you think you're clever, but you're kind of pulling this all out of nowhere.
I'm voting for Renata right now because I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention lately and YOU said she was scummy. So, I'm following your lead.
And I did imprison autolycus. He just got around to mentioning it faster than I did because I haven't been home- kind of like Arpeg did on day 2 or so. I'm not saying he's definitely innocent; I'm not saying he's guilty. In the past, this imprisonment thing hasn't been very reliable- again, as we've seen with Arpeg.
If you want, I'll imprison him again. Or, I can imprison whoever you want me to, Beskar, since you obviously seem to know everything about this game and are such a great town leader.
I suppose you think you're clever, but you're kind of pulling this all out of nowhere.
Actually, I am not. I almost commented "If Chaotix says he jailed Autolycus or Renata, he is mafia.", even funnier, autolycus is the one that prompted it, in thread, in order to divert attention away from him. In otherwords, instead of saying earlier "Oh, I was jailed, so the killer is not me", he waited an entire day, then seemingly "came up with it", which you just came in time, to go "that's right".
Also, it always bothered me you completely revealed, yet you are 'unharmed' in anyway, and now you come up with 'blocking' someone I am suspecting, to make it worse, I just knew you would pull a stunt like that, to help your buddy.
I'm voting for Renata right now because I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention lately and YOU said she was scummy. So, I'm following your lead.
SkoomaAddict followed my lead in lylat wars, didn't make him innocent. The best move for the mafia is to target Renata, she even admitted to being Mafia. Also, by outward claiming, she was attempting to hide her scumbuddies behind her, ie: you and autolycus.
If you want, I'll imprison him again. Or, I can imprison whoever you want me to, Beskar, since you obviously seem to know everything about this game and are such a great town leader.
How about a baptism of fire?
I don't know everything, unfortunately, I do know quite a bit though. My 'need to die' suspects were Renata and autolycus, you was in the "very susipicious", especially with your unharmed early game reveal. I even predicted correctly who you would claim to roleblock, infact, I engineered it, by intentionally scummying autolycus. If you turned around and you blocked Bhelen, and he confirmed, for pure example, I would have let you off the hook, however, you said the person I dilberately targeted, and a late reveal at that.
I am not letting you off the hook. You are going to be reel'd in.
Also, I will take up your imprison offer. Imprison me.
If you do it, I will honesty say in the thread, if not.. then well, self-explanatory.
Double A
08-11-2010, 04:20
Won't that kind of get in the way of lynching Renata?
Or me, as God Emperor is so set on doing?
Won't that kind of get in the way of lynching Renata?
Or me, as God Emperor is so set on doing?
Nono, we kill Renata now. Well, she killed Pinman in the middle of the day, I am not going to risk leaving her around. Bluff or not, that is scary.
Chaotix will probably attempt to jail autolycus to protect him from a vig, so I recommend we vig Chaotix, then lynch autolycus tomorrow.
autolycus
08-11-2010, 05:10
autolycus is the one that prompted it, in thread, in order to divert attention away from him. In otherwords, instead of saying earlier "Oh, I was jailed, so the killer is not me", he waited an entire day, then seemingly "came up with it", which you just came in time, to go "that's right".
As I said before, I didn't know if chaotix had some reason for not revealing that I'd been blocked. When Chaotix didn't post at all for so long, I decided it wasn't a strategy but inactivity, so I revealed it.
Also, I will take up your imprison offer. Imprison me.
If you do it, I will honesty say in the thread, if not.. then well, self-explanatory.
Nono, we kill Renata now. Well, she killed Pinman in the middle of the day, I am not going to risk leaving her around. Bluff or not, that is scary.
Chaotix will probably attempt to jail autolycus to protect him from a vig, so I recommend we vig Chaotix, then lynch autolycus tomorrow.
Which is it, Beskar? Are you going to put Chaotix' powers to the test, or have her killed tonight? Also, I don't quite see how Chaotix' powers are in doubt. Arpeg pretty well showed that. And vigging the role-blocker that uses the law enforcement system sounds like a bad idea to me. But that's just my opinion.
Double A
08-11-2010, 06:19
As I said before, I didn't know if chaotix had some reason for not revealing that I'd been blocked. When Chaotix didn't post at all for so long, I decided it wasn't a strategy but inactivity, so I revealed it.
Which is it, Beskar? Are you going to put Chaotix' powers to the test, or have her killed tonight? Also, I don't quite see how Chaotix' powers are in doubt. Arpeg pretty well showed that. And vigging the role-blocker that uses the law enforcement system sounds like a bad idea to me. But that's just my opinion.
I have a better idea.
vote: Renata
I just learnt something from autolycus and Chaotix.
They are scum buddies.
I have been waiting all round for this move and I am like this -> :beam:, I been going "Come on, cover for your scum buddy..." all round, even hinted at it, and pow, he does it.
Renata, autolycus and Chaotix mafia team. Explains why Chaotix hasn't been touched all game even though he fully revealed. It is because he was either mafia at start, or converted.
Oh, tragedy, you got me.
The reason Renata is going out like she is, is to be a "free target" for her buddies, auto and chaotix. I been pressing the heat on autolycus intentionally, he was my 2nd suspect. I had a little inkling Chaotix was possibly a third, if you look back, I said things like "This point needs to be emphasised, who did you jail, Chaotix?" and even hinted at his scumminess. Now he plays the move I lined him up for, by pressuring his buddy, he is going to try to save his buddy and lo and behold, it is right. :laugh4:
:elephant:
Are you sure you're innocent, Beskar? Because my goodness are you ever spinning straw into lead.
Round's over; I'll get started on a writeup after work. :3
God Emperor
08-12-2010, 12:05
Please imprison Beskar, Chaotix :bow:
Reenk Roink
08-12-2010, 16:11
Someone vig GodEmperor so I can get his trinket please. :bow:
God Emperor
08-12-2010, 18:12
Someone vig GodEmperor so I can get his trinket please. :bow:
Why wont you just die in the deep roads ? =(
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-12-2010, 18:25
Why wont you just die in the deep roads ? =(
He's Legion of the Dead, he eats darkspawn for breakfast down there. Duncan would have to go down and kill Reenk himself.
Double A
08-12-2010, 20:52
And that might not even work.
And that might not even work.
Duncan's Strength goes all the way to eleven... it would work. :P
Reenk Roink
08-12-2010, 22:47
Duncan's Strength goes all the way to eleven... it would work. :P
Pfft, Duncan had a hard time lifting my hammer, don't deny it.
Pfft, Duncan had a hard time lifting my hammer, don't deny it.
Hahahaha, I think anyone who wasn't dwarf or qunari would probably have that sorta trouble... :P
Double A
08-12-2010, 23:44
Secura, may I redirect you to Capo III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120384-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Summaries-and-Notices%29&p=2312246&viewfull=1#post2312246)?
Secura, may I redirect you to Capo III (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?120384-Capo-di-Tutti-Capi-III-%28Summaries-and-Notices%29&p=2312246&viewfull=1#post2312246)?
Not sure what I'm supposed to see in this.
Anyways, I'm having a hard time of it at work lately and haven't had time for the writeup for Renata's epic lynch just yet; you are free to send orders for the night phase, however. :3
Double A
08-14-2010, 08:39
Did you click the link and read the write-up?
God Emperor
08-14-2010, 17:45
:smash:
You are the killer with the hammer ! it all seems so clear now :clown: :laugh4:
Hah, I was waiting for an update.
Apparently, I can't even do my night orders because Romanic's death means I lost my ability (which makes me very :cry:) and I haven't even been told if I got an ability or not. (Even though it was said I would still keep it night before. Confusing, yes.)
johnhughthom
08-15-2010, 10:26
Meh, you're an irrelevance now. Get thee to Denerim to sell useless tat.
Double A
08-15-2010, 21:19
Don't pull a YLC on us now, Secura...
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-15-2010, 21:21
Don't pull a YLC on us now, Secura...
I was more thinking a Subo.
Hold in there, Sec, it's been a great game so far :D
Double A
08-15-2010, 21:28
Subo did it after YLC though. And no offense to Subo, but I had more fun in TCD than ABZF.
(that was a compliment Secura :tongue:)
Don't pull a YLC on us now, Secura...
What's one of those?
Hold in there, Sec, it's been a great game so far :D
It has been a woeful game thus far, there's no need to sugar the pill. :3
When the concept for this game arose, and indeed when I kicked the game off, I was actually unemployed and had every hour of the day to commit to it; however, I have a job now and I find myself with less and less time to commit to mafia as a whole, let alone TAS... check my 'attendance' in Parasite, for example.
I'm just exhausted, both physically and mentally, every hour of the day and I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get my muse together and generate a good writeup. The motivation and interest are largely gone, I'm afraid; the current games that I'm signed up for will likely be my last.
(that was a compliment Secura :tongue:)
What was?
Also, you are free to send night orders in, as I said earlier; Renata was lynched, and her writeup deserves a degree of epicness that I'm midway through figuring out. :P
God Emperor
08-15-2010, 22:46
We can't really be sure of our night orders before we have Renata's alignment confirmed
Remember that lynch results are not revealed until the next day phase, see Reenk Roink as my case in point; only killed players have alignments revealed immediately.
Revealing roles as-is functions as a massive boost for town while remaining detrimental to mafia, hence this mechanic being in place.
Alive: (12/17)
TheFlax
Double A
Beskar
Skooma Addict
Chaotix
ArpeggiateTHIS
Yaseikhaan
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
autolycus
johnhughthom
God Emperor
Deceased
Pinman - Lord Ronus Dace
Captain Blackadder - Bryzil
Romanic - Prince Vandorn Aeducan
Renata - ???
Fled into the Deep Roads
Reenk Roink - Legionnaire Roldim
Double A
08-16-2010, 03:19
Pulling a YLC is when you halt your extremely fun game for a very long time.
Like when YLC stopped BMP and TCD.
Reenk Roink
08-16-2010, 07:25
I'm just exhausted, both physically and mentally, every hour of the day and I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get my muse together and generate a good writeup. The motivation and interest are largely gone, I'm afraid; the current games that I'm signed up for will likely be my last.
Definitely feel you here Secura, as the same thing happened to me hosting my game when the semester was winding down and finals were coming up. Not surprising it was my one and only game. My advice, if you are able to, just push through and let completing something you worked so hard on to design and host motivate you. Delay is better than abandonment.
Also you probably might consider really cutting the writeups short. Just put a humorous one liner here and there along with another line with the info and the quality won't take as big a hit.
Double A
08-16-2010, 08:08
Oh! Make it a Schwarzenegger one-liner!
Reenk Roink
08-16-2010, 09:43
Oh I also forgot, WoGing God Emperor and giving me his trinket would probably shave a round from the game.
Skooma Addict
08-16-2010, 18:14
*Grabs an old broom* shoo shoo!! Get back down there yer little scamp you! *pokes Reenk Roink in the tummy*
God Emperor
08-16-2010, 18:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evdkh5yv6gA
Since we speak of nice one liners :P
Reenk Roink
08-19-2010, 18:29
Just FYI I'm installing Dragon Age right now although I probably will only get to play for two days before being overwhelmed with studying, it is enough time to make a character named Skooma Addict who will meat a grisly fate because of his past greed towards a poor legionnaire.
Double A
08-19-2010, 22:11
Which origin story is like that?
Because I'm probably going to play it next...
God Emperor
08-19-2010, 23:44
I guess this game is over? If it is the case, it would be fun to know what roles people had :)
Double A
08-20-2010, 00:08
It's been too much fun to be over.
Skooma Addict
08-20-2010, 06:38
Which origin story is like that?
Because I'm probably going to play it next...
You didn't know about the skooma story arc? After you beat the city elf main quest line, go to the main menu, push (up, up, left, up, up, left, up, down, right) It unlocks trippy mode where you play as a skooma addled dwarf from dust town. He's not unlike the lyrium addled vendor.
I guess this game is over? If it is the case, it would be fun to know what roles people had :)
Noooo!
This game must never end, it's been too fun to stop now. I'm personally willing to wait indefinitely. You here that Secura? Me and my pipe got all the time in the world...:pimp2:
Double A
08-20-2010, 08:52
I just got to Denerim as the Dwarf Noble, and talked to Gorim. It makes me sad that I'm a duel-wielding warrior instead of a sword/shield user :sad:
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-20-2010, 11:45
I just got to Denerim as the Dwarf Noble, and talked to Gorim. It makes me sad that I'm a duel-wielding warrior instead of a sword/shield user :sad:
DW FTW! You just wait until you enchant those weapons with fire, then it'll look so cool.
Double A
08-20-2010, 12:53
Dude, I have a flaming mace. AND IT'S RED.
Unfortunately, I don't have a sufficiently cool dagger, although next level I can get duel weapons expert, so I can have Gorim's sword for my offhand. Gorim is awesome.
God Emperor
08-20-2010, 13:10
Fine if this is now about the game there is only one thing to say: DW! with momentum ^_^
Double A
08-20-2010, 13:14
Haven't go that yet. Zevran has it, but I don't actually use him like I do my character. I think it goes Me - Shale - Wynne - Zevran.
Double A
08-20-2010, 13:23
I know what happened guys.
Secura is trying to quick load. That's why it's taking so long.
God Emperor
08-20-2010, 13:27
hahaa :D this may be true, furthermore the game itself may explain why there has been so few killings: she had the difficulty on very hard
Double A
08-20-2010, 13:56
Or her mom's watching.
Double A
08-20-2010, 14:16
Oh, no, I get it, she's trapped in a perpetual loop in one of the battles where your orders happen 10 seconds after you give them because there are 20 people fighting, and she can't get out without losing 2 hours worth of progress.
Or it could be that I've just finished a nine-day stint at work and haven't had a moment to spare for this game, R&R HoF 2 or Parasite. I haven't even had time to talk to Beskar properly.
I'm going to get to a writeup and hope to post it tomorrow; I reiterate that you are still able to send it night orders, most of you haven't done so.
Double A
08-21-2010, 21:19
Heheh, Wynne just asked Sten if he was cold... while I was in Orzammar.
God Emperor
08-21-2010, 21:50
^_^. . Wynne is a good companion but she is just too aggrivating.. like that french orlesian girl.
Who is the last person in your party ?
Double A
08-22-2010, 05:13
My current party is Shale, Leliana, and Wynne. If I actually have a challenge on my hands, I take Sten instead of Leliana.
I'm probably going to make a mage for my next playthrough so I don't have to have Wynne in my party... she's ok, but I'd rather have Alistair, Morrigan, or Sten instead of her. If you don't use her, or completely change Morrigan's direction (from nuker to healer) she's almost obligutory unless you want to spend lots of money on making poultices. Maybe if I played on easy mode, I wouldn't need her... that could work I guess.
Double A
08-22-2010, 07:05
Please refrain from calling Leliana "that Orlesian girl."
My party right now is Shale, Leliana (or Sten, if I need someone to brutally slaughter everything in sight), and Wynne. She recently got mana clash, which apparently does no damage to blood mages. Or elven mercenary mages.
I've gotten to use it twice (right at the start, too), and both times I dropped it right on the mage, and it did nothing. What am I doing wrong!?
edit: Nevermind, I just used it on that same blood mage.
I think it took 20 damage to kill her afterwards.
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-22-2010, 11:00
I've gotten to use it twice (right at the start, too), and both times I dropped it right on the mage, and it did nothing. What am I doing wrong!?
edit: Nevermind, I just used it on that same blood mage.
I think it took 20 damage to kill her afterwards.
Dunno, what difficulty do you play on? On normal I found that my character could easily Mana Clash most mages to death. Might change on harder though, haven't levelled high enough to earn it on nightmare.
God Emperor
08-22-2010, 12:14
Please refrain from calling Leliana "that Orlesian girl."
I am sorry didn't know your character had a love affair with her :laugh4:
End of Day Six
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Inside the Halls of the Shaperate
[Writeup being chopped and changed a bit, ta for patience :3]
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Start of Night Six
Night will end once I have received orders from everyone!
Execution/Exile
Renata: 11 - TheFlax, Double A, Beskar, Skooma Addict, Chaotix, ArpeggiateTHIS, Yaseikhaan, Khazaar, autolycus, johnhughthom, God Emperor
The new owner of Pinman's amulet is Beskar.
Alive: (12/17)
TheFlax
Double A
Beskar
Skooma Addict
Chaotix
ArpeggiateTHIS
Yaseikhaan
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
autolycus
johnhughthom
God Emperor
Deceased
Pinman - Lord Ronus Dace
Captain Blackadder - Bryzil
Romanic - Prince Vandorn Aeducan
Renata - ???
Fled into the Deep Roads
Reenk Roink - Legionnaire Roldim
Double A
08-23-2010, 03:40
Dunno, what difficulty do you play on? On normal I found that my character could easily Mana Clash most mages to death. Might change on harder though, haven't levelled high enough to earn it on nightmare.
Normal.
I don't know what happened those first two times, I think I've used it half a dozen times since then, and the most health a mage ever had after that was half because he got 3 spells off.
I just need to find some spirit rings and a spirit amulet for Wynne, and a bunch of critical hit armor for me, and then I can basically do what ever I want.
ArpeggiateTHIS
08-23-2010, 09:17
Normal.
I don't know what happened those first two times, I think I've used it half a dozen times since then, and the most health a mage ever had after that was half because he got 3 spells off.
I just need to find some spirit rings and a spirit amulet for Wynne, and a bunch of critical hit armor for me, and then I can basically do what ever I want.
Might have solved your problem: Mana Clash clashes your mana with the enemy's mana, right? So if either you or the enemy mage has little mana, the damage done will be small. I never notice because it's the first thing I do when I walk into a room, might solve your problem though.
Double A
08-23-2010, 18:04
The first time I tried it, I don't know how much either of us had. But the second time, at the literal first second of the fight, I paused the game and dropped a mana clash right on top of a blood mage and nothing happened.
Also, could I have the stats of the amlut?
I did promise I will give it to some one who would benefit more from it, if it wasn't the type for me.
seireikhaan
08-27-2010, 05:04
Game has taken far too long for updating. Closed for now.
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