The Mafia's comeback [Concluded]

[Greyblades]

I. Told. You. So.
I know its pre-emptive just want everyone to be clear on that point.

[Renata]

*sigh*

My "don't really try" plan is working exactly as well as my "work my butt off" plan, it seems. Which is to say, not at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Notice how Andres said "PMs" please.

Like the mafia really need 2 PMs at this point to finish off one townie.

It's all a trick you silly fools.


THIS MEANS THAT PRETTY SURE I AM TEH WINNAH

[ByzantineKnight]

Notice how Andres said "PMs" please.

Like the mafia really need 2 PMs at this point to finish off one townie.

It's all a trick you silly fools.


THIS MEANS THAT PRETTY SURE I AM TEH WINNAH

Yes, yes we are.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey Andres, I am having trouble managing my contentment with this outcome. Please help.

[B-Wing]

I'm confused.

[Greyblades]

You're not the only one.:dizzy2:

[Chaotix]

YOU FOOLS! YOU HAVE INCURRED THE WRATH OF ANDRES WITH YOUR FOOLISH FOOLISHNESS. NOW HE WILL FOOL US FOR ANOTHER NIGHT WITH HIS TRICKERY AND TOMFOOLERY BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL SO EASILY FOOLED.

[Andres]

It's a cold night, isn't it? They say the weather will be nice tomorrow, maybe some rain later in the evening.

So, what's up guys? All waiting for something to happen?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, what's up guys?

I'm still decomposing. It's going rather swimmingly, I should say.

[Andres]

I'm still decomposing. It's going rather swimmingly, I should say.

I see.

Many people must be starting to wonder right now... Was Pizza mafia or not? Imagine that! Pizza was mafia and has been playing the town like a master. That would be great! You'd certainly get many congratulations on such a performance! Assuming it wasn't your scum buddy who got lynched last round.

Ooooh... I can't wait for this night to end. I really want to know who won.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I always wanted to murder myself on night one, so that whenever my scum buddy was in trouble, dead pizza man would show up and deliver some steaming slices of cow droppings for all my fans to chow down on, and then my buddy would survive. That was certainly a hoot, because who holds more influence in the endgame than a dead "proven innocent" pizzaguy? I can lynch whoever the heck I want, at any time. And you all fell for it.

I really have to admit, I have outdone myself this time.

[Csargo]

I always wanted to murder myself on night one, so that whenever my scum buddy was in trouble, dead pizza man would show up and deliver some steaming slices of cow droppings for all my fans to chow down on, and then my buddy would survive. That was certainly a hoot, because who holds more influence in the endgame than a dead "proven innocent" pizzaguy? I can lynch whoever the heck I want, at any time. And you all fell for it.

I really have to admit, I have outdone myself this time.

https://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2056/emotargh.gif (https://img829.imageshack.us/i/emotargh.gif/)

[Renata]

The very likelihood of Pizza trying to pull that off sometime (and the fact that Beskar once DID) is the reason why it needs to be written into the by-laws of every half-way normal mafia game in existence that mafia may not kill each other.

[Renata]

I hate my computer.

[Andres]

The Mafia's Comeback - The End.



Chief of Police Andres was nervously looking around the bar. He was sweating heavily and his grey hair was all wet.

He lit another cigarette and looked at the journalist in front of him.

"And so, I left Gameroomville all these years ago. My pockets full of money. Blood money. I still remember how that guy in the black Mercedes met me 50 miles further out of town to give me what we agreed upon. Ha!" Andres said, nervously lighting another cigarette and sipping from the 12 year old Highland Park, "They all thought I was an incompetent idiot, while all this time, I was just playing with them. It was all planned. Except the dead of dcmort93."

Andres' eyes went melancholic.

"He was a good kid. A bit young and inexperienced, but a good kid. Knew alot about weaponry. Machine guns were his thing. He shouldn't have died. The Don made a big mistake sending him to Gameroomville."

Andres shook his head.

"Anyway, this guy, he came to me with a suitcase filled with 100 $ bills. I took the money and wanted to leave, but then he started telling me gruesome stories."

Andres sipped from his whisky and ordered another on, his fifth.

"He told me how that fellow, what's his name, oh yes, Winston Hughes, died. He had tied him up and had used a razor blade to slowly remove the skin from his body. Then he threw bags of salt on him and let him scream for an hour or so. He finished the man by shooting several rounds in his body, with an AK 47."

Andres yelled at the waitress for his whisky. When it arrived, he emptied the glas instantly and ordered another one. He lit another cigarette.

"Anyway, after that, he went over to Nictels' place, cut off the guys' left foot. He managed to stop the bleeding and when Nictel gained his consciousness again, he forced him to eat his own foot! After he had finished his meal, he strangled the man with a garotte! Disgusting! I hated that guy. But what could I do, he..."

Suddenly, three men entered the bar. Each had an AK-47. The middle one calmly said: "Don Subotan is very disappointed about this."

Immediately, the three pulled the trigger and Andres and the journalist died in a rain of bullets...


***



Alive (1)

Subotan


Killed (20)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Beefy187
Saregona
Skooma Addict
God Emperor
robbiecon
Kagemusha
Captain Blackadder
Scienter
johnhughthom
Methos
Winston Hughes
Nictel

Lynched (9)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
Believer
classical hero
B Ray
Chaotix
Byzantine Knight
Greyblades


WoG (0)


***

(CLOSE) MAFIA VICTORY!!! CONGRATULATIONS DCMORT93 AND SUBOTAN !!!

~:cheers:

AND CONGRATS TO THE TOWNIES! THIS WAS A VERY CLOSE GAME! :bow:


Thank you all for playing. I hope you had fun!

:bow:

[Subotan]

IT'S GAMEBROOOOOO

WHEN IT'S NO QUARTER I'LL BREAK YOUR BACK

I'M GONNA BETRAY YOU MAN AND THAT'S A FACT (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/gamebro-original-1990-mix)

[Csargo]

Good job mafia.

If dcmort killed me that would be hilarious though.

[ByzantineKnight]

Wow, congradulations mafia!

[Chaotix]

I WARNED YOU ABOUT THAT SUBOTAN, BRO! I WARNED YOU! WATCH OUT FOR THAT SUBOTAN, BRO!

What's really funny is that all of my campaigning against Subotan probably made him seem more innocent, because none of you trusted me.

:laugh4:

Seriously, though. Great game, Subotan. You got DAT REVENGE. You did an excellent job fooling everyone else, even though I saw right through you. :clown:

And excellent write-ups, Andres! Short and sweet, but exciting all the same. :2thumbsup:

[Greyblades]

Anders I've sent you a PM, please answer when you can.

[Renata]

*sigh*

[dcmort93]

Well my death early on was definitely a major curve ball but we did well as a whole

[Believer]

Well played everyone, Subotan especially.

This was a fun experience, I'm glad I got to share it with you guys. :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Poo.

I told you Subotan, you'd be able to slip past my analysis. Your skills have improved, Fox.

As for myself, I had convinced myself that Nictel and Winston were golden. If it had been down to three, maybe I wouldn't have sucked so badly. :tongue2:

Good game, well played by the scums and good effort by the townies.

[God Emperor]

haha- Thanks for the game Andres :)
And ofc, gratulations to the mafia :bow:

[Death is yonder]

I actually had stuff about oddities in Subo's behavior, but examining some stuff about Chaotix compelled me to scrap it and focus just on why I think Greyblades should still be lynched.

:shame:

I was actually going to post something about how it seemed as if Subo was very willing to discard his "strong suspicion" on Winston Hughes on odd reasoning as if latching on to ATPG's case as a free train ride to the end but then decided to go on Greyblades.

Oh well, good game to the mafia, well played, and many thanks to Andres for hosting :bow:

[Andres]

The Mafia's Comeback - The Real Ending.



Chief of Police Andres was nervously looking around the bar. He was sweating heavily and his grey hair was all wet.

He lit another cigarette and looked at the journalist in front of him.

"And so, I left Gameroomville all these years ago. No money in my pockets, but a clean conscience. I still remember how that guy in the black Mercedes met me 50 miles further out of town to give me what we agreed upon. Ha!" Andres said, nervously lighting another cigarette and sipping from the 12 year old Highland Park, "They all thought I was an incompetent idiot, while all this time, I was just playing with them. It was all planned. I simply knew those villagers would be able to deal with that threat. And that mafia scumbag. I told him where he could shove his bribes."

Andres' eyes went melancholic.

"So many died while I knew who the killers were. But I wasn't allowed to say a thing. The FBI had ordered me not to intervene. They were after bigger fish. And they also made allusions to this being one big experiment. The dead townies of Gameroomville? Collateral damage, they said. I still have nightmares about the gruesome murders. So many."

Andres shook his head.

"Oh well, it was for the greater good I guess."

Andres sipped from his whisky and ordered another on, his fifth.

"Anyway, those three guys who survived, Winston Hughes, Subotan and that Nictel dude. They disappeared shortly after the final mafioso had been executed. A special program..."

Andres yelled at the waitress for his whisky. When it arrived, he emptied the glas instantly and ordered another one. He lit another cigarette.

"They became specialised scum hunters. Able to catch mafiosi by just... looking at them. Scary, isn't it? A guy that looks at you and can tell if you're a scumbag or not. Horrifying thought."

Suddenly, three men entered the bar. They were all wearing a dark suit.

"You talk too much, Andres" the man in the middle said, while the other two forced the journalist to stand up and go outside.

"We'll destroy all evidence. Consider this your final warning. Go back to Belgium. We'll provide for everything you need, but you have to go back now."

Andres sighed and nodded.

"Ok then."

He picked up his wallet, emptied the whisky and walked towards the door.

Before leaving, he turned around and looked at Winston, Subotan and Nictel.

"By the way, I never had the chance to congratulate you guys, so.. Congratulations on catching them scumbags!"

That said, Andres left the bar.

The three men nodded in his general direction.


***



Survivors (3)

Subotan
Winston Hughes
Nictel


Killed (18)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Beefy187
Saregona
Skooma Addict
God Emperor
robbiecon
Kagemusha
Captain Blackadder
Scienter
johnhughthom
Methos

Lynched (9)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
Believer
classical hero
B Ray
Chaotix
Byzantine Knight
Greyblades


WoG (0)


***

(CLOSE) TOWNSPEOPLE VICTORY!!! CONGRATULATIONS TOWNIES !!!

~:cheers:

AND CONGRATS TO THE MAFIA! THIS WAS A VERY CLOSE GAME AND YOU DID WELL! :bow:


Thank you all for playing. I hope you had fun!

:bow:

[Zack]

Haha! Right about dcmort!

Great job guys, wish I could've helped more.

[Death is yonder]

Fooled again! :snobby:

A great ending :bow:

[dcmort93]

Ya me and greyblades definitely had some fun with this game. After my death I tried to keep you guys guessing by having the second kill look as similar as possible to the ones that I did so as to make you guys think that there were still 2 of us out there. Most of the congrats goes to Greyblades however as he truly played a great game

[God Emperor]

Is there a quick topic ?

[dcmort93]

yes
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/pxReKrruWtf/p31.15#QTmsg23

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because the mafia QT had not been posted, I went to work yesterday thinking it was still possible we were right.

When I came home and there was nothing, I decided to post my congrats. I didn't even think to check for the QT still. :wall:

:laugh4:

Well played everyone.



Ah, the 'scum always do that' argument. I was hoping for something more insightful, but I guess it'll have to do. :tongue2:

Let's imagine that you're wrong, though, and that lynching me will hand victory to the scum (or at least put them very close to the finish line). In that case, whose lynch would you be calling for right now?

This is the sort of thing you say when I won't let go. Good defense, Winston. Very good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Andres is exactly the kind of host to mess with his players: The awesome kind.

Quoted for truth, because it bears repeating. Thank you Andres for the game.

[B-Wing]

Yes, I very much appreciate the simplicity of this game. Thanks for hosting, Andres!

[Subotan]

Introducing the new mafia......................

GERYBLADES (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/archive/007.jpg)

Seriously though, do you read SBaHJ Chaotix? If so that's pretty sweet, and more than makes up for your *apparent* scumminess earlier in the game.

Good game though! I like my new occupation as a professional scum hunter - it's like being a bounty hunter except instead of collecting bounties, you collect heads. Thanks for hosting Andres!

[Kagemusha]

Great game, thanks other players and Andres for hosting!:bow:

[Greyblades]

I was wondering how long I would have to wait.

[Askthepizzaguy]

dcmort got pounced on pretty quickly on day one, survived a tie, and then got lynched day 2.

both Greyblades and dcmort got pressure early, and the vote on Greyblades had reasoning attached to it. Pretty nifty opening by the townies. Then 'blades got lost in the shuffle and forgotten methinks.

[Chaotix]

Quoted for truth, because it bears repeating. Thank you Andres for the game.

I knew this, I have done this myself, and yet I was still fooled. :laugh4:

I guess I figured if there were a fake ending, it would come within hours of the real ending. Letting it sit for a whole day or two really got everyone to believe it. That and he had the three townies in on the whole thing, too.

Anyway, congrats to the townies, and good job to the mafia. It appears I'm not as sharp as I thought; I was near-certain it was Subo.

Subo: I occasionally drop by mspaintadventures, because they are a huge source of internet memes and pretty funny. I've read through Sweet Bro as well as the entire Problem Sleuth story. I tried to get into Homestuck, but when I found it it was so long already that I just couldn't keep up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

New gameroom rule: It's not over until the quicktopics are posted.

[Greyblades]

Seeing as I can't get better until I see where I went wrong I'd like some feedback on my performance.

[dcmort93]

Seeing as I can't get better until I see where I went wrong I'd like some feedback on my performance.
Including stuff from the QT

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seeing as I can't get better until I see where I went wrong I'd like some feedback on my performance.

Remember I have a losing record as townie so I'm not an expert on this stuff by any means. Take my advice for what it's worth, which is about a pinch of salt.

The folks you left alive at the end, specifically Winston, to a lesser extent Nictel, were not going to attract votes as much as the others you could have left alive.

I mentioned Johnhughthom as being someone who is totally inscrutable, I can't read him, I often don't even bother trying to because he's so very deadpan. Even as townie on final rounds, he doesn't get excitable or put forward cases which are meant to influence others. The thing about John is that he does not try to grab power for himself with persuasion. He doesn't try to influence you directly. His influence is limited to who he murders and who he votes for, which is the same as when he's townie. It means he has less means of fighting back when he's a target, but you can't tell when he should be a target. It's playing it very cool.... like lurking the entire game, in a game with no WOGs due to inactivity. If you stick with that strategy, you win.... but only if people let you. In my experience John is just as cold as that, but he also votes, which gives him more power than a lurker strategy and also makes him more useful as a townie than a lurker. So it's not only ice cold, it's passable as townie and you can't read it as being mafia. That's why he's so dangerous in a game like this. You picked him off, he was a vote-attractor. I wouldn't have done that except for WIFOM purposes, and accepted it when it blows up in my face.

Winston got tied, and I pressured him on purpose. You sorta know that there wasn't two scums left when the vote ended up tied, because the scums would have made sure someone got lynched and it was the wrong one. He should have been murdered, because it serves to discredit the judgment of everyone accusing him (the more people someone accuses that end up murdered, the less likely we are to listen to that person... just because we grow weary of them being wrong and want to decide for ourselves) but it also would have countered the gambit I was personally attempting. When Winston had defended himself so mightily and rightily, and said certain things I felt were genuine from a townie, I thought he was probable innocent. I also felt if I didn't announce that position at night, he might survive, as lynchbait.

You'll notice in many games I play, after I go after someone really hard, even if it's a round or two or three in a row, I usually change that position and go after someone unexpected. The key for townie play is unpredictability; if you play predictably and announce who all your suspects are and are totally honest about how you feel, it makes it easier for the scums to murder exactly who they need to to have the highest chance of success in fooling people.

John should have been alive, Winston should have been murdered.

Nictel was fine to leave alive for a while, but the main problem there for you was how early you accused him and voted for him, and the fact that you were both still alive. Not only that, you let up on him, even said you didn't think he was scummy, and then reversed positions again on the final round. It means that you were gambling on him being lynchbait and that's why he was still alive.

If Nictel were mafia, I think you'd have been dead already. The fact that you were both alive made me think it was you. I stated that in my case against you. It was a little bit of that ESP thing, but in a different context; the original mafia ESP case (on Subotan) was based on the idea that the folks you voted for and tried to get lynched ended up dead when they did not. That seems to indicate that all the folks you're antagonizing and possibly provoking into later voting for you for all your incorrect votes needed to die to improve your odds of survvial. That was the basic idea behind Mafia ESP, which is why I suspected Subotan in another game.

Here, it's a little of the same thing, but a different flavor. Nictel had been voted for, and very early, but was never murdered. And, his accuser, was also never murdered. And, Nictel is one of those folks who is often made into an easy target, like Lord Winter (in the other game where I accused Subotan) because he might not fight back if you accuse him. And, because he is more of a quiet, background character at times, he will always be suspicious to people because he won't do anything that will make people go "Oh, that's townie of him to say". It just felt like you were opting for a strategy of making him into tempting lynchbait, and because you didn't continue to pursue him, and even flip-flopped on whether he was guilty twice, that told me you were never honest about your position regarding Nictel.

Both you and dcmort mentioned and focused on my death, which is flinchy. Mafia pay far too much attention to me, and it shows either in their quicktopic or thread behavior. They're likely to vote me to death, or discuss me too much in their quicktopic, or go inverse and cluck their tongues when the evil mafia decide to murder me. Better would be to say nothing at all, I think.

Mentioning that you didn't know what CFC was fits in with the same general thing that I've busted Kagemusha on a couple times, which is merely stating the opposite of what you really feel. It's not a sophisticated method of lying to frame someone based on something they said elsewhere, and then say "I've never heard of that place". The reason why I pick on these sorts of behaviors is because I've hosted like 40 games and I've researched like 30 games I didn't even play. Scum behave almost the same way in every game, but they don't always use the exact same strategy in every game. So there are some behaviors which are common to scums in particular, which they don't even realize they're doing, which they don't even realize is common behavior for scum, and those things are tells or flinches or odd behaviors.

Why I wait until the endgame to really attack those things, is because of several reasons:

1. Gotta preserve what little credibility I have for key moments
2. Better odds anyway of hitting a scum with fewer suspects
3. Longer history of behavior to pattern, so I can show people the pattern. They may not agree with what I call scummy as being scummy, but if they can see a lot of odd behavior, they might agree it's at least odd.
4. I don't want to give people a heads up on what they're doing which is scummy, so they can avoid doing it in that same game.
5. Things become much more apparent in retrospect, which are not always as clear at the time.

I've also been scum a lot, and I make some of those very same flinches, and some people have rightly called me on them. It's hard for me to play a game like Johnhughthom does which leaves basically no tells, because I never shut up. It should be easy to pattern my behavior as being different, but I try very hard not to make those mistakes... with some success, but not always.

Some folks play the game by picking a name and going with a gut feeling. Those people are very dangerous to the mafia, if people were to follow them, because you can't defend against randomness and gut feeling, and you can't murder in such a way that protects you from a random accusation based on nothing.

That said, random gut feeling folks don't get their suspects lynched because people like having reasons to make people die. The most successful mafiosi are the ones, I feel, who give no reasons why they should die over anyone else, and leave others alive who do happen to have reasons why they need to die, or are at least perceived to have such reasons.

People who make cases based on patterns of behavior (i.e. me) are extremely vulnerable to folks who leave no tells. I never attacked Nictel all game, I never attacked Johnhughthom all game, and those folks are the bane of my townie existence when they're mafia, because I PREFER to nail someone based on behavior, not random.org.

So I have an Achilles' heel, in that certain players, I can't catch except when I'm playing randomly, which is in the early game. And if they can just avoid a bandwagon, I'm no threat to them. Other players do not have that achilles' hell, because they're perfectly comfortable voting someone even on the final round based on exactly zero reasoning, just a gut feeling and a guess. Those folks will be far more capable than I am at nailing a Johnhughthom, because it won't be based on behavior, and John doesn't leave behavioral clues that I can detect anyway.

If you feel very confident you have left no clues, leave me alive. If you feel very confident you've left clues, leave players alive who don't bother with clues, and go with their instincts, I'd suggest. If you were to play against specific players, as a strategy.

You can also go the gutsy/oddball route and just random.org your murders. Players like me who look for patterns will be dumbfounded because every theory we will put out there will be wrong by definition, unless I guess than random.org is choosing the murders, and even if I happened to guess that, what purpose would knowing it serve?

Remember that folks you murder are proven innocent, and will have more weight behind their accusations if they accuse, or at least some folks feel that way. If you want me to be less effective in a game, for example, leave me alive. If I fail to make progress and I remain alive, I am almost always a high lynch suspect. Removing townie lynches is the most effective way of paralyzing townies. Make them mislynch. That's more important than murdering them.

You win against anyone if they mislynch. Murdering people does not stop them from winning, and doesn't always silence them. If you play for mislynches, I *think* you'll have a better chance at winning as scum. If the town mislynches, it does not matter who you murder, or when. Eventually, they'll get lynched or murdered anyway, so long as town keeps mislynching. Whatever you can do to help the mislynch process must be your top priority as scum, not who you murder.

I didn't notice much discussion in your quicktopic, and you know what? You lasted a long time because it was hard to read the murder pattern. The pattern was hard to read because there didn't seem to be any grandiose specific WIFOM strategy behind it. It wasn't immediately recognizeable as a strategy. In fact, the only thing I ever picked up on as a deliberate strategy was the whole CFC offtopic kill pizza while quoting him maneuver, and while it threw me, eventually I linked it back to Greyblades who was distancing himself from it deliberately.

You don't want to leave breadcrumbs like that, unless you're feeling cheeky. That said, I freaking loved it. That was ballsy and VERY entertaining. Well played, seriously.

Take all these criticisms and advice as just one man's opinion. I'm still wrong too often to be considered a source of wisdom I think.

[dcmort93]

To be quite honest with you, it was actually my own random idea to kill you in on the first night. Weather that worked to our advantage or not, who knows but it definitely threw off some people.

[Greyblades]

Mentioning that you didn't know what CFC was fits in with the same general thing that I've busted Kagemusha on a couple times, which is merely stating the opposite of what you really feel. It's not a sophisticated method of lying to frame someone based on something they said elsewhere, and then say "I've never heard of that place". The reason why I pick on these sorts of behaviors is because I've hosted like 40 games and I've researched like 30 games I didn't even play. Scum behave almost the same way in every game, but they don't always use the exact same strategy in every game. So there are some behaviors which are common to scums in particular, which they don't even realize they're doing, which they don't even realize is common behavior for scum, and those things are tells or flinches or odd behaviors.
...I actually didn't know what the cfc was.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To be quite honest with you, it was actually my own random idea to kill you in on the first night. Weather that worked to our advantage or not, who knows but it definitely threw off some people.

There did seem to be some sort of framing aspect to it, it seemed to be written in such a way to implicate folks who might have read my rants about being a pizza guy.

I recall some folks from the .org backroom and the CFC offtopic seemed to be the most likely contenders for who could have done the murder and included those references. I also recall being skeptical that we should analyze it, because it could be something that someone who never even went to CFC or the backroom of the org did, in order to find some reference they shouldn't know about, and use it to frame suspects.

My feeling, even at the time, was that we should ignore it completely.

I picked up on greyblades distancing himself from my murder by saying it was "mean", and I also picked up on Greyblades not knowing what CFC was. It just seemed from my perspective to be indicative of a couple things:

1. Pizza on the brain
2. WIFOM on the brain

Thinking about Pizza and wine at the same time is bad for a scum's health.

And if it was totally coincidental what was written, it still didn't matter because the townies had decided it WAS a deliberate WIFOM strategy, AND that seemed to provoke the defensive reaction in Greyblades that he had never heard of CFC.

It didn't even need to be directly flowing A to B to C, if A leads to C via other methods, just because of a possible flinch, it's still a tell.


EDIT: What I'm hearing from you guys is, the kill was deliberate, but the content of the writeup was not.

That's my second point, if the townies believe there is a deliberate strategy, and one ends up defending themselves against the idea by distancing and saying "I don't know what CFC is", that's still a bit of a flinch.

It's unfortunate that what would not have been a connection to either dcmort or Greyblades ended up being so because of perception, and that perception leads to a distancing attempt. That's how I'm seeing it anyway.

Like I said before, it's just how I see it, others may see it differently. If it's all coincidental, it's still the perception that worked against you, and that perception was based on how yourself and blades reacted to my death.

[dcmort93]

If I had decided how you were to be killed it would have been like the night 2 kill with the machine gun, I just didn't get that part in on time

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I had decided how you were to be killed it would have been like the night 2 kill with the machine gun, I just didn't get that part in on time

So, in the final analysis, Andres choosing the kill writeup based on my outrage at my job, plus your random kill on me leads to:

-yourself and blades both mentioning my death
-the (wrong) theory that there was a frame attempt on backroom'ers and CFC OT'ers
-Blades saying he'd never heard of CFC

And then I tied in Blades mentioning my death with Blades suggesting he'd never heard of CFC (implicitly meaning, "couldn't have been me who wrote that") which is still true... but at the same time, leads me to believe he's trying to use WIFOM to distance himself from my death.

That's quite the complicated domino effect, with some false assumptions thrown in to aid in the chaos. :laugh4: What if I had had a bunch of good days at work in a row, and never posted about my job? :clown:

Andres!!! *shakes fist* Somehow this is all his fault.

[Greyblades]

If I had decided how you were to be killed it would have been like the night 2 kill with the machine gun, I just didn't get that part in on time
Eh either way it would have worked for my purposes if I had actually decided to use it, about the third round I git the idea to keep a consistent kill type, on garrotte and one gun kill a night, that way I could frame a dead townie when I wished by stopping one of the kills giving the idea that they had got one of the mafia. I scrapped it towards the end when I got the impression that there was only one mafia remaining.
I still dont know what the CFC is.

[dcmort93]

CFC is another forum were most of us, including myself and Pizza, play mafia

[Greyblades]

Wow So it wasnt even me slipping up that got me lynched, it was largely dumb luck.

[Zack]

I still dont know what the CFC is.
It's been linked to in this thread, but I'll do it again anyways.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=154

[Andres]

I think Greyblades got lynched because he was the only one who hadn't felt at least a bit pressure for about the entire game. I think you died in the last round, because you played too well.

[Andres]

Andres!!! *shakes fist* Somehow this is all his fault.

Hey, if those lazy slackers would have made their own write-ups (as was ordered in their role pm's :stare:) this would have never happened.

But I like doing write-ups myself too much, so I never made a problem of it. I'm such a weakling.

[Greyblades]

I think Greyblades got lynched because he was the only one who hadn't felt at least a bit pressure for about the entire game. I think you died in the last round, because you played too well.

That sounds like some sort of Zen thing


Hey, if those lazy slackers would have made their own write-ups (as was ordered in their role pm's ) this would have never happened.
Lazy for life.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wow So it wasnt even me slipping up that got me lynched, it was largely dumb luck.

There is a lot of that involved.

I would say that nobody's case on you, least of all mine, focused mainly and exclusively on the perception that the writeup was a WIFOM attempt. The only part I even mentioned was that your mentioning of my name immediately after my death as "mean" seemed flinchy, and that you disavowed all knowledge of CFC.

While true, it's still sort of a pre-emptive defense. It's like saying "don't include me in your list of suspects, it couldn't have been me who wrote that". The hilarious part about it is that it's TRUE. It would be like saying "I couldn't have murdered Miss Violet, because your entire case is based on the idea that she was killed with a crowbar. I'll have you know that I've never even owned a crowbar. Besides, I used a WRENCH!", and while true.... :wink:

What is more "bad luck" was in another game, we went after Psychonaut for being a doctor who was still alive after claiming doctor, and based on "scummy" things he said, but the fact was, he was a townie doctor at the time and he became mafia later, so our entire case was bull, not just including a bad premise. That was him getting randomly transformed into mafia and blamed for stuff he did while still a townie. In your case, the premise behind one of the many possible links back to you was faulty. I'd argue it was still a bit flinchy.

[Greyblades]

I couldn't have murdered Miss Violet, because your entire case is based on the idea that she was killed with a crowbar. I'll have you know that I've never even owned a crowbar. Besides, I used a WRENCH!
:laugh4:
Not exactly relevent that metaphor but :laugh4:
I would have put it as
Town:"OK guys we know he was killed with a kuriki, any questions?"
Me: "Whats a Kuriki?"

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Greyblades got lynched because he was the only one who hadn't felt at least a bit pressure for about the entire game. I think you died in the last round, because you played too well.

I think this is also quite valid. I mentioned all the while I was accusing him that he severely kicked the butts of all the townies, including his accusers, because we didn't notice even a whiff of scum from him until it was almost too late to do anything about it. If his partner had been still alive, it would have been game, without so much as a scratch on him. That's a heck of a good job playing. I congratulate him pre- and post-game ending for the fantastic job he did.

I only think that it was who was left alive at the end which really did him in. Switch out those last two murders, and I think it would have been completely solid. That goes right back into the whole Subotan and Winston already having been pressured a lot, but Greyblades did not.

If it had been a couple of others involved who also weren't pressured, I think we could have had a mislynch much more easily. Other than things that I think are tells, which doesn't matter because I didn't even have a vote, the only thing I think could have improved his game was the last two murder choices. What do you guys think, is that valid?

[Greyblades]

I think I played so "clean" by hiding behind so many "dirty" people not realising that I would stand out like a candle in a darkened room in the end.

[Diamondeye]

It was a great game to watch, I'm sorry I wasn't around when it started so I could have been lynched day one part of the fun!

The Mafia's Comeback - The Final Ending

Chief of Police Andres was nervously looking around the bar. He was sweating heavily and his grey hair was all wet.

He lit another cigarette and looked at the journalist in front of him.

"And so, I left Gameroomville all these years ago. No money in my pockets, but a clean conscience. I still remember how that guy in the black Mercedes met me 50 miles further out of town to give me what we agreed upon. Ha!" Andres said, nervously lighting another cigarette and sipping from the 12 year old Highland Park, "They all thought I was an incompetent idiot, while all this time, I was just playing with them. It was all planned. I simply knew those villagers would be able to deal with that threat. And that mafia scumbag. I told him where he could shove his bribes."

Andres' eyes went melancholic.

"So many died while I knew who the killers were. But I wasn't allowed to say a thing. The FBI had ordered me not to intervene. They were after bigger fish. And they also made allusions to this being one big experiment. The dead townies of Gameroomville? Collateral damage, they said. I still have nightmares about the gruesome murders. So many."

Andres shook his head.

"Oh well, it was for the greater good I guess."

Andres sipped from his whisky and ordered another on, his fifth.

"Anyway, those three guys who survived, Winston Hughes, Subotan and that Nictel dude. They disappeared shortly after the final mafioso had been executed. A special program..."

Andres yelled at the waitress for his whisky. When it arrived, he emptied the glas instantly and ordered another one. He lit another cigarette.

"They became specialised scum hunters. Able to catch mafiosi by just... looking at them. Scary, isn't it? A guy that looks at you and can tell if you're a scumbag or not. Horrifying thought."

Suddenly, three men entered the bar. They were all wearing a dark suit.

Suddenly, the entire building exploded in a huge blaze. Outside, the flames threw about the shadow of a single figure and whipped back his long, dirty trenchcoat. With a sneer, the man turned his back on the burning wreckage, stroke a match and lighted a cigarette. He walked slowly, staring into the distance. To himself, he said, in a low and deep voice:
"They should have listened, those fools." And then, "The greatest trick the Devil ever played man was to convince him that he does not exist."

The desolate desert was empty once more.

Survivors (1)
Diamondeye

Killed (21)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Beefy187
Saregona
Skooma Addict
God Emperor
robbiecon
Kagemusha
Captain Blackadder
Scienter
johnhughthom
Methos
Subotan
Winston Hughes
Nictel

Lynched (9)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
Believer
classical hero
B Ray
Chaotix
Byzantine Knight
Greyblades


WoG (0)

:tongue: I had to. I was voted by two people in a round even though I weren't even in the game! :laugh4:

[Renata]

Andres you :daisy: !

I am SO GULLIBLE.

Um. Hmmm. Good game town.

Well played mafia.

*hides*

[Andres]

Andres you :daisy: !

I'll take that as a compliment :laugh4:

[Who am i?]

Hello.

Saw it coming.

Good game.

[Winston Hughes]

Great game, Andres. :bow:

[classical_hero]

It was a great game to watch, I'm sorry I wasn't around when it started so I could have been lynched day one part of the fun!

The Mafia's Comeback - The Final Ending

Chief of Police Andres was nervously looking around the bar. He was sweating heavily and his grey hair was all wet.

He lit another cigarette and looked at the journalist in front of him.

"And so, I left Gameroomville all these years ago. No money in my pockets, but a clean conscience. I still remember how that guy in the black Mercedes met me 50 miles further out of town to give me what we agreed upon. Ha!" Andres said, nervously lighting another cigarette and sipping from the 12 year old Highland Park, "They all thought I was an incompetent idiot, while all this time, I was just playing with them. It was all planned. I simply knew those villagers would be able to deal with that threat. And that mafia scumbag. I told him where he could shove his bribes."

Andres' eyes went melancholic.

"So many died while I knew who the killers were. But I wasn't allowed to say a thing. The FBI had ordered me not to intervene. They were after bigger fish. And they also made allusions to this being one big experiment. The dead townies of Gameroomville? Collateral damage, they said. I still have nightmares about the gruesome murders. So many."

Andres shook his head.

"Oh well, it was for the greater good I guess."

Andres sipped from his whisky and ordered another on, his fifth.

"Anyway, those three guys who survived, Winston Hughes, Subotan and that Nictel dude. They disappeared shortly after the final mafioso had been executed. A special program..."

Andres yelled at the waitress for his whisky. When it arrived, he emptied the glas instantly and ordered another one. He lit another cigarette.

"They became specialised scum hunters. Able to catch mafiosi by just... looking at them. Scary, isn't it? A guy that looks at you and can tell if you're a scumbag or not. Horrifying thought."

Suddenly, three men entered the bar. They were all wearing a dark suit.

Suddenly, the entire building exploded in a huge blaze. Outside, the flames threw about the shadow of a single figure and whipped back his long, dirty trenchcoat. With a sneer, the man turned his back on the burning wreckage, stroke a match and lighted a cigarette. He walked slowly, staring into the distance. To himself, he said, in a low and deep voice:
"They should have listened, those fools." And then, "The greatest trick the Devil ever played man was to convince him that he does not exist."

The desolate desert was empty once more.

Survivors (1)
Diamondeye

Killed (21)
ATPG
DiY
Csargo
Yaseikhaan
GeneralHankerchief
Secura
Seon
Renata
Beefy187
Saregona
Skooma Addict
God Emperor
robbiecon
Kagemusha
Captain Blackadder
Scienter
johnhughthom
Methos
Subotan
Winston Hughes
Nictel

Lynched (9)
Jolt
dcmort93
Zack
Believer
classical hero
B Ray
Chaotix
Byzantine Knight
Greyblades


WoG (0)

:tongue: I had to. I was voted by two people in a round even though I weren't even in the game! :laugh4:
I thought it was hilarious that you were voted for when you were not part of the game and yet ATPG interpretted that as being scummy, since it was "creating chaos" or something like that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everything everyone does is scummy. It's a conspiracy, and you're all in on it.

FOS: EVERYONE :stare:

[Diamondeye]

Everything everyone does is scummy. It's a conspiracy, and you're all in on it.

FOS: EVERYONE :stare:

Guys, he's on to us!

[classical_hero]

Everything everyone does is scummy. It's a conspiracy, and you're all in on it.

FOS: EVERYONE :stare:
Here is my OMGUS vote. ATPG ~;p