Small Mafia Game Music Mafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 3

Romanic

06-09-2011, 03:28

D1: Who ever has a perfect vote on D1?
D2: Who'd I vote for? I forget. I remember I wasn't on the leading wagon though, I think.

Visor: As I told Renata, he was lying. At one point or another he was lying. When in doubt, LAL.

You voted Renata on Day 2.

Ladies, I thought you had my back? :(
As for my activity; This game has shorter rounds, I went to bed at 08:00 AM CET and before that I only saw useless accusation of Secura, I woke up about 20 minutes ago (17:00 PM CET). There wasn't much to say about the Secura bandwagon, I trust that she can take care of herself.

Now, to vote. I've always wanted to do this. :$
Vote: Renata

Believer

06-09-2011, 03:32

You voted Renata on Day 2.

Oh yeah, now I remember. I had no good suspects and I don't think I've ever voted Renata. I had fun doing it.

Romanic

06-09-2011, 03:35

Oh yeah, now I remember. I had no good suspects and I don't think I've ever voted Renata. I had fun doing it.
So you voted Renata but you weren't really suspecting her?

Believer

06-09-2011, 03:36

So you voted Renata but you weren't really suspecting her?

Indeed, pure OMGUS.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 03:36

unvote, vote: Captain Blackadder

Third time's the charm.

Visor

06-09-2011, 05:03

Visor: As I told Renata, he was lying. At one point or another he was lying. When in doubt, LAL.

When was I lying?

Believer

06-09-2011, 05:28

When was I lying?

You said you were mafia, then you said you weren't.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 05:35

You said you were mafia, then you said you weren't.

Clearly scummy behavior. Lying about being mafia. :beam:

Visor

06-09-2011, 05:37

:laugh4: You're kidding right? If you cannot understand a joke that obvious..... I mean, everyone else got I was joking, why not you?

You need to be lynched.

Believer

06-09-2011, 05:42

:laugh4: You're kidding right? If you cannot understand a joke that obvious..... I mean, everyone else got I was joking, why not you?

You need to be lynched.

Don't blame me for taking the game seriously at times. To me there were no other good candidates. When you persisted for several pages that you were mafia I grew weary. You played badly and were punished for it. I regret nothing.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 05:48

Don't blame me for taking the game seriously at times. To me there were no other good candidates. When you persisted for several pages that you were mafia I grew weary. You played badly and were punished for it. I regret nothing.

Good, great, now let's focus on the living people who might possibly be actual scum.

Csargo

06-09-2011, 05:50

Double posts are pretty scummy imo.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 05:52

Double posts are pretty scummy imo.

What double post? I never double posted. You lie. You lie, Csargo. Lies are scummy. :clown:

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 05:53

Seriously, though, how do you defend yourself when you're innocent? I almost never get votes as a townie. I have no idea how to do it. I'd probably look like scummy with scum sauce.

Edit: Actually come to think of it, in a recent game on another site I picked up four votes one day. The first one was OMGUS from a townie I voted for, so that was all right. The second one was scum-bait from someone I was 99% sure was townie, so from my perspective that was :inquisitive:. And then I got three and four back to back from the scum and more or less lost my mind. So scummy with scum sauce is probably accurate.

Pretty convenient claim when you could still be scum...

vote: Renata

Let's hear some...

Csargo

06-09-2011, 06:03

What double post? I never double posted. You lie. You lie, Csargo. Lies are scummy. :clown:

Using your mod powers for evil is also scummy :bounce:

classical_hero

06-09-2011, 07:56

vote:ATPG I just don't like his changing of his vote. It is him trying to seem he is not sure, but it is really a distraction effort.

Visor

06-09-2011, 08:00

Really? Based on what?

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 08:49

unvote, vote: classical_hero

You all know I already had him under suspicion and that last post somehow strikes me as weird too

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 08:53

vote:ATPG I just don't like his changing of his vote. It is him trying to seem he is not sure, but it is really a distraction effort.

No, this is a distraction effort.

:couch: LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME WHY AREN'T YOU LOOKINGGGGGGGG

Secura

06-09-2011, 12:21

vote: robbiecon

Currently at work, unable to get much time online and need to address an issue in the Frontroom before I log off; will post more later tonight. :bow:

Renata

06-09-2011, 13:10

Well okay.

I didn't kill chaotix. Because, well I didn't. I don't really know how to prove this aside from my word.

I'm not a bad musical artist, just someone who has made some bad public appearances as of recently.

Does this, or does this not, look like someone who's trying to excuse away what might have been an investigation of him as an unpopular artist?

vote: splitpersonality

I still want to hear from robbie, though.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 19:39

unvote, vote: Splitpersonality

Well at least he wiggled around a bit when I accused him. Blackadder is dead on arrival.

Splitpersonality

06-09-2011, 20:07

Vote: Robbiecon

I would like to hear more from him as well.

robbiecon

06-09-2011, 20:12

I have sent Renata all my information, she may relay any and all of it, to whomever she pleases. I will vote: Believer. When I said earlier on in the thread that he appeared to be one of the Killers, I should have perhaps gone with it. It seems a bit circumstantial, and perhaps obvious to make The Killers, well, the killers. Something rings not well with him to me, then again many of you have tweaked a sense at some stage or another (although perhaps it was just my sense of hearing, after all this is music mafia).

I haven't seen your face, therefore, I am not a believer.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 20:19

I approve of the joke and find it a tempting enough possibility to switch my vote again.

Believer

06-09-2011, 20:41

Unvote;
Vote: Splitpersonality

Master told me to.

Splitpersonality

06-09-2011, 20:41

Unvote; Vote: Believer

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 20:43

Tally?

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 20:43

There are scums within the following group:

Split
Believer
Robbiecon

Which is it?

Something tells me Split. Believer didn't wanna vote for Split, but I suggested he was Split's partner and insisted he make Split die.

Robbiecon, however, is also very much attracting my attention. You folks all seem on edge.

Believer

06-09-2011, 20:45

I'm pretty sure I'm falling today, and I apologize.

I will re-read the thread until I find what you all see as scummy, I won't fail town again.

Splitpersonality

06-09-2011, 20:45

My vote lies with Robbiecon, but I'm not too keen on Believer selling me out as his mafia partner voting for me like a puppet, to placate ATPG? It reeks of trying to not rock the boat.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 20:47

My vote lies with Robbiecon, but I'm not too keen on Believer selling me out as his mafia partner voting for me like a puppet, to placate ATPG? It reeks of trying to not rock the boat.

Your vote presently lies with Believer, not robbiecon.

And perhaps you're joking with the truth when you say he's selling you out as his mafia partner, because he really really didn't want to vote for you.

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 20:47

I still say CH but if someone could post a tally I'll decide on a more meaningful vote for the Day...

Diamondeye

06-09-2011, 20:47

I would like to point out that due to the lateness of the last writeup, this phase lasts until tomorrow, about 24 hours from now.

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 20:50

I would like to point out that due to the lateness of the last writeup, this phase lasts until tomorrow, about 24 hours from now.

Right... Never mind what I said then...

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 20:50

How about some awesome decisiveness from you folks reading this exchange? :stare:

Splitpersonality

06-09-2011, 20:52

Your vote presently lies with Believer, not robbiecon.

And perhaps you're joking with the truth when you say he's selling you out as his mafia partner, because he really really didn't want to vote for you.

My vote presently lies with whatever will save my skin. Seeing as the writeup is extended I am now free to remove that vote. unvote

Maybe he doesn't want to vote for me because I'm not as suspicious as you think :shrug: I can't read his mind, but it is certainly decided on someone else. Pushing his vote onto me because you think I'm guilty is just robbing the town of his opinion.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 20:53

Hey Split and robbie and believer, I'm hurling all kinds of rotten eggs in your direction, and you're just letting it slide off of your face. What the heck.

You are acting like daddy just hit mommy and it got all quiet. Could you act any more like caught guilty scumbags for me please? Thanks.

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 21:00

Alright

unvote, vote: Believer

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 21:02

Alright

unvote, vote: Believer

Where's your tally?

Why did you pick Believer over Split?

Are you guilty contestant number three?

Splitpersonality

06-09-2011, 21:04

What about you Mr Asking all the questions?

This is a very typical and safe game you're playing isn't it Pizza Dude :inquisitive:

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 21:06

What about you Mr Asking all the questions?

This is a very typical and safe game you're playing isn't it Pizza Dude :inquisitive:

Do I make you nervous. Do my questions bother you. Would you like to see me swinging from a rope to and fro, wafting in the wind like a pizzaguy who asked too many questions?

I am having a delightful time, and I want you all to know that.

Renata

06-09-2011, 21:08

I believe you. *nod*

Believer

06-09-2011, 21:14

I might aswell make myself useful. Here's a tally, I think it's correct.

3 Splitpersonality (Renata, ATPG, Believer)
2 Believer (Romanic, TLD)
1 CB (Csargo)
1 ATPG (CH)
1 robbiecon (Secura)

Splitpersonality

06-09-2011, 21:17

Except remove my vote. I unvoted you a couple of posts ago.

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 21:22

No, that last bit felt real. One of those tells.

Split and Believer aren't both mafia together. They would have had brainwaves that meshed together, rather than tripping over each other, especially with regards to the tally.

You'd think Believer would be aware of his own votes and his partner's votes.

Something is amiss. One could be guilty, the other, is not. But I am interested to hear from the other people in this game and how they feel about these candidates.

Renata

06-09-2011, 21:26

If you have nothing better to do, day two and three vote progressions would be useful.

Believer says he's suspicious of CH. Based on day one, I'm not. Based on his vote for Visor, I am. It cancels. I'd like to see the bigger picture.

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 21:36

Yes, Pizza, you're questions make me tremble like a leaf...

No, seriously, I still believe CH is guilty but since nobody seems to bother I moved to Believer as he's the one of the three (^^) that I find the most susicious...

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 21:39

Yes, Pizza, you're questions make me tremble like a leaf...

Beneath your sarcasm is a seed of truth. Get it? LEAF??? SEED????

They are both four letter words.

In all seriousness, when stuff was going down and APPARENTLY.... SOMEone thought incorrectly that the round was almost over, and the game host had to go no, round isn't almost over, people were all up in a panic. And people were placing their votes as if it made a big deal what happened next.

You were running around asking for a tally, as if very concerned about who was about to be lynched.

Then, you didn't bother posting one. What. The. Heck.

Pardon me if I find this all very amusing and odd.

No, seriously, I still believe CH is guilty but since nobody seems to bother I moved to Believer as he's the one of the three (^^) that I find the most susicious...

Of course. And if my theory is correct, he will just happen to be the wrong one out of the three.

GOSH.

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 21:55

Beneath your sarcasm is a seed of truth. Get it? LEAF??? SEED????

They are both four letter words.

For some reason I had to think of Final Fantasy VIII just now...

In all seriousness, when stuff was going down and APPARENTLY.... SOMEone thought incorrectly that the round was almost over, and the game host had to go no, round isn't almost over, people were all up in a panic. And people were placing their votes as if it made a big deal what happened next.

You were running around asking for a tally, as if very concerned about who was about to be lynched.

Then, you didn't bother posting one. What. The. Heck.

Yes, I am concerned about who gets lynched. Is that wrong?

And yes, I know, I'm lazy... That's why I didn't post a tally myself, that's why I always ask for one... I'll try to do better, ok?
And I wasn't running around, if you could see me you knew I'm pretty relaxed.

Pardon me if I find this all very amusing and odd.

Oh, no worries, I find myself amusing and odd at times.

Of course. And if my theory is correct, he will just happen to be the wrong one out of the three.

Sorry, didn't get that.. ?!

Askthepizzaguy

06-09-2011, 22:07

I am insinuating through my sesquipedalian loquaciousness and esoteric verbosity that you've reasons both malevolent and clandestine to execute persons who've attained astronomical voguishness.

J'accuse, scumbag.

robbiecon

06-09-2011, 22:17

3 Splitpersonality (Renata, ATPG, Believer)
3 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon, TLD)
1 CB (Csargo)
1 ATPG (CH)
1 robbiecon (Secura)

The tally hadn't included my vote, and interestingly enough, it was a vote on the guy who compiled it in the first place. Perhaps trying to gloss over the fact he was joint in the lead?

Believer

06-09-2011, 22:18

TheLastDays

06-09-2011, 22:37

Secura

06-10-2011, 00:21

I'm not a bad musical artist, just someone who has made some bad public appearances as of recently.

What gives, split? Why did you feel a need to elaborate on your musician's popularity like this?

I guess that the most important question is why you haven't addressed this when asked by Renata earlier?

unvote, vote: split

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 00:24

What gives, split? Why did you feel a need to elaborate on your musician's popularity like this?

I guess that the most important question is why you haven't addressed this when asked by Renata earlier?

unvote, vote: split

I figured If I elaborated or even hinted at my popularity it would be a good way of clearing me at least a little bit. When I'm in the spotlight why would I not at least try to clear my name a bit?

What do you mean when I was asked earlier? All I recall is reading "Yeah I bet," which was, and I could be wrong here, a very snarky way of saying my self-vote was stupid.

Secura

06-10-2011, 00:25

I want to maintain that I still suspect robbiecon, but clearly the arguments aren't convincing enough for a lynch just yet so my vote's better placed elsewhere in these circumstances.

When it comes down to brass tacks, I'm finding split's evasiveness when questioned a little more jarring than Believer's behaviour; explain yourself split, and my vote goes elsewhere.

I figured If I elaborated or even hinted at my popularity it would be a good way of clearing me at least a little bit. When I'm in the spotlight why would I not at least try to clear my name a bit?

It seems to me that you're implying that, while your role has had bad press recently, you're actually a popular musician; what I don't understand is why you'd mention that specific piece of information, it's almost as though you're trying to handwave potential scan results against you.

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 00:29

What would you like me to explain? I'll be full out, if you'll trust that I'm being full out with you.

Yes. I'm not the most popular artist, I have had some bad public press and a few bad relationships and mistakes (even a south park episode) but I am still a decent artist who is of favorable popularity.

Captain Blackadder

06-10-2011, 00:36

Has DiamondEye stated what will happen in the case of a tie?

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 00:37

I'm pretty sure he random.org's it.

robbiecon

06-10-2011, 00:39

Secura

06-10-2011, 00:40

I'm not the most popular artist, I have had some bad public press and a few bad relationships and mistakes (even a south park episode) but I am still a decent artist who is of favorable popularity.

It's interesting how these two points contradict one another; I can't make out whether you're trying to say that you're Good Popularity (but not so much so of late due to negative press) or Neutral (there's sufficient divided opinion on you to categorise you as such, like Lady Gaga).

Secura

06-10-2011, 00:41

The only artist who has appeared on South Park that I can find with a quick search of Google is me, Kanye West.

Tonnes of musicians have been mocked in that show...

robbiecon

06-10-2011, 00:45

Tonnes of musicians have been mocked in that show...

Yes, but how many actually appeared? Apparently Kanye West appeared on the 200th episode. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200_(South_Park)

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 00:45

The only artist who has appeared on South Park that I can find with a quick search of Google is me, Kanye West.

Mais, non.

Tonnes of musicians have been mocked in that show...

And I am amongst the many. An entire episode was based on everyone's love of my string of bad publicity. Something about being good for a harvest or something :wink:

It's interesting how these two points contradict one another; I can't make out whether you're trying to say that you're Good Popularity (but not so much so of late due to negative press) or Neutral (there's sufficient divided opinion on you to categorise you as such, like Lady Gaga).

Well if I were bad popularity I wouldn't be much for parading it around would I? The contradiction exists for good reason, I can say that.

Captain Blackadder

06-10-2011, 00:48

Since random org rarely helps town we need a decisive lynch. Of the two options Split seems the more suspicious plus if he is Kanye then surely he would have to be bad favour bad pop.

Vote Split

Csargo

06-10-2011, 00:50

robbie is claiming Kanye not split

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 00:52

Since random org rarely helps town we need a decisive lynch. Of the two options Split seems the more suspicious plus if he is Kanye then surely he would have to be bad favour bad pop.

Vote Split

1) Robbie just claimed Kanye.
2) I never said I was Kanye.
3) Why are you so sure of anyone's alignment? Are you DE or just that keen to his musical tastes?
4) Numerated lists are for :daisy:s

Why jump on the bandwaggon so late? Give me a real reason.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 00:56

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

Csargo

06-10-2011, 01:02

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

Hard pizza isn't good pizza though. :sick:

Secura

06-10-2011, 01:02

An entire episode was based on everyone's love of my string of bad publicity. Something about being good for a harvest or something :wink:

I knew it!

Your role's tough to define in terms of popularity, really; your music's good and you're popular in that respect, but your life is pretty messed up and the media loves nothing more than to highlight this fact. I'd guess Neutral, but it's a hard one to call.

As for your favour with the DJ, you're definitely Good, not that that accounts for as much; it's entirely plausible that we're going to see a mafioso that is considered unpopular but is loved by Diamondeye.

Well if I were bad popularity I wouldn't be much for parading it around would I? The contradiction exists for good reason, I can say that.

It's down to interpretation though, since my interpretation of a person's popularity might be different to someone else's; prime example being robbiecon's claim as Kanye West, someone who I feel would be Bad Popularity but it's sufficiently debateable that it's not a viable argument by itself.

Of the two options Split seems the more suspicious plus if he is Kanye then surely he would have to be bad favour bad pop.

This is the argument against robbiecon that I gave in the last day phase and it was largely rubbished; why the change of heart? Also, we can't assume favour as easily as popularity, as it requires guessing on DE's music tastes, really. :P

1) Robbie just claimed Kanye.

robbiecon insinuated that he was Kanye in the last phase, it's only in this phase that he's come out and said it outright.

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 01:06

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

I've given you more than enough hints. You're a smart lad.

I knew it!

Your role's tough to define in terms of popularity, really; your music's good and you're popular in that respect, but your life is pretty messed up and the media loves nothing more than to highlight this fact. I'd guess Neutral, but it's a hard one to call.

As for your favour with the DJ, you're definitely Good, not that that accounts for as much; it's entirely plausible that we're going to see a mafioso that is considered unpopular but is loved by Diamondeye.

There ye go, you caught on. Yeah I was surprised initially that I wasn't bad, but I take it that this is an overall measure of someone's carer, both the good and the bad moments, the music and the artist. So that might make a bit more sense...

robbiecon insinuated that he was Kanye in the last phase, it's only in this phase that he's come out and said it outright.

Hence he "just" claimed it. It was like, 4 posts before mine that he said "Only Kanye comes up, which is me."

Renata

06-10-2011, 01:08

Ah, that's who you are. Are you claiming to be good popularity, Split?

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 01:11

Don't you get it? The girl must die.

Infinity votes: Split

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 01:12

Taking into account both my sales as an artist and my public life on parade in recent years. How do you feel about me?

:P

I'm not claiming good, no.

Secura

06-10-2011, 01:15

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:

Maybe if you said "gimme more", you'd get somewhere. :3

There ye go, you caught on.

I believe split to be Neutral/Good for now, so it's worth turning votes elsewhere in my opinion... unvote, vote: Believer

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 01:16

Taking into account both my sales as an artist and my public life on parade in recent years. How do you feel about me?

:P

I'm not claiming good, no.

Me? I'm still waiting for the inevitable alcohol-fuelled traffic accident, half-naked while shaving her own head, then wandering around on the side of the road until she's hit by a cement mixer.

I would consider that an appropriate final performance.

Romanic

06-10-2011, 06:07

I'm not getting who Split claims to be, but neutral? Neutral claims are so easy in a game like this. Hmmm.

And a tally.

4 Split (Renata, ATPG, Believer, Captain Blackadder)
4 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon, TheLastDays, Secura)
1 Captain Blackadder (Csargo)
---
2 not voting (classical_hero, Split)

Csargo

06-10-2011, 06:54

Britney Spears from ATPG's rant.

unvote, Vote:split

Diamondeye

06-10-2011, 08:31

Has DiamondEye stated what will happen in the case of a tie?

Triple coinflip. See JHT's lynch.

Also; 12½ hours left, for infoes.

classical_hero

06-10-2011, 09:19

I don't like this soft claim. Pizza wants it hard or not at all. :wink:
I just love it when you talk dirty. :wink:

unvote vote:Split.

Secura

06-10-2011, 10:43

I'm not getting who Split claims to be, but neutral? Neutral claims are so easy in a game like this. Hmmm.

You didn't get the claim? :o

I had an inkling from the little hints, and once I Google'd "South Park musician harvest", the whole thing became clearer; even then, Pizza and I were giving some clues! Keep up, Roman! :D

unvote, Vote:split

unvote, Vote:Split

Ummm, what? You both think Britney Spears has Bad Popularity? o_O'

TheLastDays

06-10-2011, 10:58

Maybe they don't believe he really is Britney Spears... maybe they think she has bad popularity...

maybe they're scum, jumping onto a bandwagon

unvote, vote: classical_hero

classical_hero

06-10-2011, 11:56

Ummm, what? You both think Britney Spears has Bad Popularity? o_O'
WE don't know how DE set up this game so anyone could be viewed as being a potential mafia. Well Britney has waned in her popularity , so it is possible that she is scum, but we can't tell unless the mafia be honest, but I doubt anyone would do what Visor did, or we have a scanner that can scan for that activity. Basically it is guess work at best on what we are going on with this game, since we have no clue on what the criteria for bad popularity is. So this game is pure guess work.

TheLastDays

06-10-2011, 12:01

WE don't know how DE set up this game so anyone could be viewed as being a potential mafia. Well Britney has waned in her popularity , so it is possible that she is scum, but we can't tell unless the mafia be honest, but I doubt anyone would do what Visor did, or we have a scanner that can scan for that activity. Basically it is guess work at best on what we are going on with this game, since we have no clue on what the criteria for bad popularity is. So this game is pure guess work.

Therefore the most logical explanation for your vote change is jumping onto a bandwagon...

Secura

06-10-2011, 12:19

WE don't know how DE set up this game so anyone could be viewed as being a potential mafia.

I don't agree with this, since the setup for the game is pretty easy to understand.

Popularity, and thus alignment as town/neutral/mafia, is based on the musician's reception in the world, such as record sales, media attention and so on; it's fairly easy to estimate this if you become aware of another person's role.

Let's use robbiecon's example of Sir Paul McCartney; the guy was the bassist in the most successful band ever, their music still listened to generations after it's release... it's pretty clear that he'd be of Good Popularity. Compared that to Lady Gaga, who is an outstanding musician but has just as many detractors as she does fans, so it's harder to justify that she'd be Good and you'd be more inclined to label her as Neutral.

DJ favour is essentially Diamondeye's own opinion of the artist, and is harder to estimate because it requires one to know DE's tastes; based on some of the things I've seen him listen to via MSN, I can make broad assumptions of certain roles like Britney or Gaga, both of whom I know he loves. However, not knowing whether DE likes or dislikes that artist isn't as important as knowing their popularity, and thus alignment.

Well Britney has waned in her popularity , so it is possible that she is scum

What are you basing this on? I don't see it myself, because on every occasion where she seems to be at her lowest ebb, she bounces back and knocks her critics for six; she's just like Gaga, you either love her or hate her... I wouldn't call her unpopular.

So this game is pure guess work.

The last two music-related games that I played (Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and it's sequel) were apparantly pure guesswork, and I cracked both of those... if one has a decent knowledge of music, the games aren't that hard to figure out.

classical_hero

06-10-2011, 12:22

It is better to make my vote count for something that just let it sit idle. What if it is correct?

@Secura. You do have expect that some people from certain groups will be classified a certain just because it would be crazy it not be that case, but I doubt that DE would make it 100% that way so it is not obvious to the town and make it winnable that way by just knowing who the person is playing.

Secura

06-10-2011, 12:30

Popularity is down to interpretation really, but I still think that's the way to eventually win the game.

Captain Blackadder

06-10-2011, 12:43

Popularity is down to interpretation really, but I still think that's the way to eventually win the game.

Its comparing on how you define popularity. Is it within a certain group or is it in general? All these musicians so far are popular amongst certain people what kind of musicians are truly hated by everyone? Even people like Miley Cryus and Bieber are beloved by their demographic in the case of bieber to the point of insanity. I feel that it will be much harder to figure out popularity dj favour would be easier since we know at least broadly what kind of music de would like

classical_hero

06-10-2011, 13:00

Who knows, Kevin Federline might be considered good popularity.
You try saying that with a straight face. :laugh4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQd9jWYZky0

Secura

06-10-2011, 13:17

Its comparing on how you define popularity. Is it within a certain group or is it in general? All these musicians so far are popular amongst certain people what kind of musicians are truly hated by everyone? Even people like Miley Cryus and Bieber are beloved by their demographic in the case of bieber to the point of insanity.

It's general popularity, because otherwise everyone would be Good if it only considered their specific fandoms. Bieber and Cyrus have their fans certainly, but there's just as many people who loathe everything about them; in the context of this game, they'd both be Neutral I think.

As for musicians being universally hated, mebbe... look at Chris Brown; the guy has some catchy songs sure, but he happens to be a cowardly thug who attacks women. I'd firmly label him as Bad Popularity as a result.

Renata

06-10-2011, 14:12

Anyone just plain obscure would work for bad popularity.

The issue for me is whether or not DE would give the mafia cover roles with good or neutral popularity. If he did, then every incentive is for the mafia to use them, whatever they are. If he did not, then there's little incentive to try to fake anyone who's not unequivocally popular. I'd expect him to, though.

Mr Neutral split, what is your victory condition?

Visor

06-10-2011, 14:32

Hmm. You still need to lynch Believer.

Diamondeye

06-10-2011, 14:49

we know at least broadly what kind of music de would like

:laugh4:

Captain Blackadder

06-10-2011, 14:56

:laugh4:

Have eclectic tastes?

Renata

06-10-2011, 15:24

:laugh4:

:yes:

Splitpersonality

06-10-2011, 16:25

Mr Neutral split, what is your victory condition?

My VC as a Neutral is to survive. Nothing more, nothing less, this is my primary goal.

Vote: Classical_hero, scum.

Renata

06-10-2011, 17:40

I'm actually going to go with you on that unless I change my mind again in the next hour or so. CH is rather on the scummy side.

Votes:
Day One -- meaningless late vote on B-ray, took townie b-ray to 2 votes behind townie JHT at 3
Day Two -- last vote on Auto, put Auto up over Secura
Day Three -- bandwagoned Visorslash on "not good for town" basis, but only *after* ATPG, TLD and Romanic (odds at least two townies in the group) had done the same. Prior to those votes, had argued that Visor was probably townie (though maybe mafia) and refrained from voting.
Day Four -- Voted ATPG because ATPG's vote switches looked fake; timing was after all the initial discussion of split/believer/robbie; but before the split bandwagon got moving. Once it did, CH tacked a vote onto the end of it, putting split up two over believer.

There's basically not a thing here that gives town vibes; even the thing I thought there was was me mis-remembering something. CH is avoiding most of the discussion, almost always voting late (day one and two) and/or with a comfortable bandwagon for cover (day two, three, four). The only vote that was different was IMO a bad one (I dont' think ATPG is actually giving that vibe), and managed to avoid the main topics of discussion, at that.

I'd also like to hear some comments from Secura on her day three actions, due to a potential connection with CH. Besides CH's day two vote, there was this. Vote tally at end of day three:

Visorslash: 3 (Romanic, Classical_Hero, Believer)
Robbiecon: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Classical_Hero: 2 (AskThePizzaGuy, TheLastDays)
Csargo: 2 (Visorslash, Robbiecon)

(A late vote from Chaotix on Robbie and an unvote from Romanic were not counted, for being after the deadline.) Prior to the robbiecon votes, CH was in significant danger of being lynched, as I was voting him instead. After Secura voted robbie, so did I.

Secura:

You took the words straight from my fingertips!

I think that this is a poor vote with no explaination beyond 'mixing things up'; robbiecon, why would you want to do that when there's a handful of people who merit a vote? Visor, TLD, myself, Believer, autolycus... so why vote for Ichi?

I'm going to follow my suspicions in early rounds, as I can vote: robbiecon with a little more confidence. :3

Why not CH in that list of vote-meriters? He had 3 votes at this point. And how does this square with your just-stated opinion that I should be voting visor (presumably, instead of CH)?

This is still a bad outcome no matter what happens; masquerading as mafia as ultimately led to Visor being outed as a town investigative role... even if we call his ability to scan DJ favour as a bit 'meh' (that's open to discussion though, I think it has it's uses), the mafia still have a power role to target over the coming night phases.

If you see no merit in his claimed ability, it's better to follow through on the lynch to be certain that he's not playing a Xanatos Gambit... I think that if we pooled together knowledge of what the goals are for each level of DJ favour, his ability would gain more use.

Renata

06-10-2011, 17:44

Tally:

5 Split (ATPG, Believer, Captain Blackadder, Csargo, CH)
3 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon, Secura)
3 CH (TLD, split, renata)

TheLastDays

06-10-2011, 17:55

As I have stated earlier and a little earlier too I believe CH is scum... let's get rid of him

Renata

06-10-2011, 18:01

Fixed a minor mistake in my long post, re-vote here:

unvote, vote: CH

Secura

06-10-2011, 18:44

Why not CH in that list of vote-meriters? He had 3 votes at this point. And how does this square with your just-stated opinion that I should be voting visor (presumably, instead of CH)?

That list of "vote-meriters" wasn't definitive or anything like that; I named those that I'd seen under pressure even if it was for trivial reasons, though I cannot offer a good reason as to why classical's name was not among them other than that I cannot really remember anything that he's said or why people have voted for him. The same applies to my votes today, split and Believer were sticking in my head and that's where I hung my hat.

As for stating why you should vote Visor, that's already explained in the post you've quoted, and an earlier one where I stated that you should lynch me if you had any qualms with my own professed innocence; at that point, I believed Visor's own claims and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt... it doesn't extend to classical because he hasn't been on my radar at all. >.<

I'll unvote, vote: classical_hero to follow your suspicions, but I must reiterate that I do still want to hear from Believer a bit more. We'll need another vote to break the tie though.

Renata

06-10-2011, 18:59

Or to put it into one, depending.

Tally:

5 Split (ATPG, Believer, Captain Blackadder, Csargo, CH)
2 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon)
4 CH (TLD, split, renata, Secura)

Romanic

06-10-2011, 19:08

I do think classical is suspicious for his vote on ATPG. Only a mafia player worries when someone is changing their votes a lot.

And I like Renata's case.

unvote; vote: classical_hero

Csargo

06-10-2011, 19:14

You didn't get the claim? :o

I had an inkling from the little hints, and once I Google'd "South Park musician harvest", the whole thing became clearer; even then, Pizza and I were giving some clues! Keep up, Roman! :D

Ummm, what? You both think Britney Spears has Bad Popularity? o_O'

Hmmm? She can't have bad favor with the DJ? I can't say I understand how the system works. It says at least one of the two has to be bad, but does the other have to be neutral for them to be mafia? Or can it be good?

I changed my vote based on the tally at the time mostly, and the fact that he's somewhat scummy. I would much rather lynch CB to be honest. No one seems to want to do that though. :shrug:

Csargo

06-10-2011, 19:32

Also, Unvote:Split

Secura

06-10-2011, 19:45

Hmmm? She can't have bad favor with the DJ? I can't say I understand how the system works. It says at least one of the two has to be bad, but does the other have to be neutral for them to be mafia? Or can it be good?

That was an early rule, it was changed so that Popularity was the main factor in deciding one's alignment, and that DJ Favour would decide one's secondary goal instead. It's perfectly possible to have Bad Popularity and Good DJ Favour, and indeed I suspect that this may be one of the paradigms we'll see when the roles are revealed at the end... I think of this as Diamondeye admitting to his "guilty pleasure" artists. :laugh4:

As for her bad favour with the DJ, it's doubtful; I know that Diamondeye is a fan of Britney, touched upon earlier in the game by Romanic in reference to his avatar over at CFC (t'was Britney, is now Lady Gaga), so it's likely she's Good Favour in that respect. Her Popularity is far far more debateable, but I don't think she's unpopular myself.

Believer

06-10-2011, 20:25

Not even ATPG can blame me for this now.

Unvote;
Vote: Classical_Hero

Diamondeye

06-10-2011, 21:19

Music Mafia
End of day four...

The Artists seemed not to let their lack fo success so far deter them from arguing against each other up and down the walls and lobbying for executions right and left, and the day was indeed filled with hateful accusations - some wanted to execute Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, evidently on charges of being one mrs. Britney Spears. They wouldn't find out today, though, because public opinion swayed against another suspicious character, Classical_Hero, had attracted lots of attention at the end of the day. When the final vote was tallied, he had sneaked into the lead. It was not comforting to him. He idly swirled a drumstick between the fingers of one of his hands.

"So all of a sudden, I'm the lead suspect? Ain't that just fantastic? Ain't that just against all odds?"
"Well guess what, you're gonna have to come and get me!"

He found a drumstick with his other hand as well, this one stained in dry blood. "Must have been an accident somewhere..."
Out of nowhere, a female figure bounded from the crowd in a series of athletic and aesthetic coreographic movements. He foot ended right in the face of classical_hero, sending him flying from the ledge onto the floor were he landed with a sickening crunch.
"You want a piece of me, huh?"

Classical_Hero was Phil Collins!
http://i53.tinypic.com/n5ldow.jpg
He was of bad popularity and of neutral favor with the DJ!

Tally:
3 Spl1tp3r50nal1ty (AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
1 Believer (Robbiecon)
6 Classical_Hero (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Renata, Secura, Romanic, Believer)

Players Alive (10):
TheLastDays
Renata
Romanic
AskThePizzaGuy
Robbiecon
Csargo
Secura
Spl1tPersonality
Captain Blackadder
Believer

It is now night four!
Orders deadline in roughly 24 hours!

Renata

06-10-2011, 21:25

:afro:

Seon

06-10-2011, 21:55

I knew that anyone with the name "classical" in it was bad news :laugh:

Believer

06-10-2011, 21:56

So I was right from the start.

ATPG, is this uncomfortable for you?

Also, is that you TLD? Shania Twain?

Renata

06-10-2011, 21:58

Heh.

TheLastDays

06-10-2011, 22:02

This is me saying I told you so :yes:

EDIT: I'm not Shania Twain and also would you have guessed phil collins as Bad popularity?

Csargo

06-10-2011, 22:09

That was an early rule, it was changed so that Popularity was the main factor in deciding one's alignment, and that DJ Favour would decide one's secondary goal instead. It's perfectly possible to have Bad Popularity and Good DJ Favour, and indeed I suspect that this may be one of the paradigms we'll see when the roles are revealed at the end... I think of this as Diamondeye admitting to his "guilty pleasure" artists. :laugh4:

As for her bad favour with the DJ, it's doubtful; I know that Diamondeye is a fan of Britney, touched upon earlier in the game by Romanic in reference to his avatar over at CFC (t'was Britney, is now Lady Gaga), so it's likely she's Good Favour in that respect. Her Popularity is far far more debateable, but I don't think she's unpopular myself.

I must have missed that bit of information. As for DE's taste in music I'll have to trust you on that, since I have no idea.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:12

I don't even know what happened, since I only had time to skim this. But :laugh4: and well done!

Csargo

06-10-2011, 22:14

I don't like Believer's vote change at the end. :inquisitive:

Believer

06-10-2011, 22:16

I don't like Believer's vote change at the end. :inquisitive:

Believe nothing

Have faith brother.

Renata

06-10-2011, 22:20

... and also would you have guessed phil collins as Bad popularity?

No, I wouldn't have, though I guess it's accurate enough now.

Renata

06-10-2011, 22:21

I don't like Believer's vote change at the end. :inquisitive:

Tell me you have not been chatting with Believer. Because if you haven't, no offense Believer, but I have to be very amused.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:22

There's going to be something wrong with this theory, because I don't really remember Enya as being a big superstar. Perhaps I am mistaken. And yet I have Good popularity and Good Favor as well.

Also, don't you think the game would be broken if everyone could just mass reveal and folks could suggest they're guilty based on being unpopular somehow?

That said, I guess it is possible.

Csargo

06-10-2011, 22:23

I have not. I'm confused now.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:25

I have not. I'm confused now.

Believer has been chatting with a lot of folks behind the scenes.

Renata

06-10-2011, 22:26

We were talking earlier, after CH was already in the lead. He seemed concerned that he'd get a lot of :daisy: from ATPG if he changed his vote again. Kind of amusing, given the outcome.

Csargo

06-10-2011, 22:27

Believer has been chatting with a lot of folks behind the scenes.

Ah. I rarely chat with people. The only person is ATPG, no one else chats with me. Except in the org chat.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:30

We were talking earlier, after CH was already in the lead. He seemed concerned that he'd get a lot of :daisy: from ATPG if he changed his vote again. Kind of amusing, given the outcome.

Why would anyone be concerned about changing their votes?

I had a theory for a little while that Believer and Split were mafia together, and that's why Believer was so reluctant to vote for Split.

If Split is neutral, that's a mistaken theory.

I am interested in Captain Blackadder as Classical_Hero's possible partner. Or, Believer; possible perfect info going on.

Believer

06-10-2011, 22:30

I have not. I'm confused now.

I spoke to Renata about the lynch just before I cast my vote. One of my concerns were that people would be on my case even more. Here's a part of that conversation.

Believer: I do, but I'm afraid to get in even more trouble by switching my vote again -.-'
Renata: don't be so worried about it. why are you so self-conscious if you are town? this isn't like you
Believer: It isn't? xD
Believer: Oh I forget, you still haven't seen the Dutch QT :P
Renata: well no, but still!
Believer: I've only been lynched once, and I've been town all my games. It was not a pleasant thing, I let down my whole team by somehow behaving in a way I shouldn't have.
Believer: I don't plan on repeating that performance

*I have subbed out our real names for our .Org names.
**The "Dutch QT" that is reffered is the QT from the Animus game, where I was shivering like a leaf for almost a solid week.

Renata

06-10-2011, 22:31

There's going to be something wrong with this theory, because I don't really remember Enya as being a big superstar. Perhaps I am mistaken. And yet I have Good popularity and Good Favor as well.

Well I wasn't going to bring up Enya, since CH did vote for you earlier today for a cruddy reason (and you not being a huge advocate of scum-on-scum bussing usually), and for less-defensible gut-feeling reasons. But I don't know. If you are good/good, all I can think is maybe DE's going on that sort of enduring low-level popularity that Enya seems to have (always on movie soundtracks, sells a lot of records to the more mature crowd, etc), as compared to Phil Collins, who was hugely popular at one time but has since sunk entirely into the abyss.

Also, don't you think the game would be broken if everyone could just mass reveal and folks could suggest they're guilty based on being unpopular somehow?

That said, I guess it is possible.

What is "it"?

Renata

06-10-2011, 22:33

Why would anyone be concerned about changing their votes?

I had a theory for a little while that Believer and Split were mafia together, and that's why Believer was so reluctant to vote for Split.

If Split is neutral, that's a mistaken theory.

I am interested in Captain Blackadder as Classical_Hero's possible partner. Or, Believer; possible perfect info going on.

If you want a loony theory, how about split believing he was going down, and getting a little mutual bussing going on, only to have it unexpectedly lynch the other guy.

I'm not certain about Believer, but didn't you say he was insisting on wanting to vote for CH before you talked him into voting Split?

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:35

I double checked Enya's wikipedia, and apparently she's still the number 2 artist in Ireland, did Lord of the Rings stuff around 2007, released a new album in 2008, and did a compilation in 2009, and she's sold more albums than I thought she might have.

What is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5RjU7n277c

This is.

Csargo

06-10-2011, 22:37

404

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:42

I'm not certain about Believer, but didn't you say he was insisting on wanting to vote for CH before you talked him into voting Split?

Fixed teh link.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "insisting".

Also, I wouldn't exactly go as far as to say that clears him. Having suspicion and voting someone is one thing, but being absolutely sure based on nothing is actually more indicative of knowing for a fact they are scum. Which leads to detective (he didn't claim such) or scum.

I'll double check my chats with him. I just am cautious about drawing conclusions because as you and I both know, Renata, scum are usually involved in bringing down other scum. Either by bussing, or bandwagoning when it is too late.

Possible given the time frame they did not.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:48

Believer Notice how CH hasn't posted anything this round, except his vote for you.
Askthepizzaguy Oh yes. Typical of CH
Believer It is?
Askthepizzaguy Classical_hero is a classical lurker
Believer Even when town?
Askthepizzaguy yep
Believer Oh okay, no worries then
Askthepizzaguy still worry because that doesnt clear him either

Sounds like genuine suspicion. He didn't really insist on C_H, he just didn't think Split was guilty I guess.

For me, I was away during the entire exchange (sleeping) and I left my vote on Split because he's an admitted neutral at best. That means he's one less person the mafia have to murder to win, and potentially, one more vote for them. And he didn't claim any awesome pro-town Neutral powers that could assist us.

I cannot believe I didn't OMGUS vote classical_hero, after many, many, many games in a row where that turned out to be winning.

Renata

06-10-2011, 22:51

Secura

06-10-2011, 22:52

EDIT: I'm not Shania Twain and also would you have guessed phil collins as Bad popularity?

Yeah, it makes sense... everyone hates the guy for some reason that I've never actually understood. You could say I'm in the land of confusion, in that respect. :laugh4:

Believer

06-10-2011, 22:54

Not insisting, eh?

ATPG: I think it is YOU AND SPLIT
Believer: Haha, of course you do
ATPG: You don’t want your splitty buddy to die
ATPG: Kill him now
ATPG: prove he’s not your friend
Believer: I have never talked directly to the guy, I don't know who he is. When you're as dirt as me, you have friends everywhere
Believer: dirty*
ATPG: You denied even knowing him
ATPG: Are you scarid
Believer: I do
Believer: I am always scared of master.
ATPG Kill Split
Believer: But master :(
ATPG: DO IT
Believer: Yes master :(

Red is for ATPG, any other interpretation is completely on your end.
Blue is for me. Innocence, purity and love.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:56

I'd like to double check my own chats from today (timing and such), but I probably won't have time. At the moment my instinct says not to go to Believer first but rather to look at those who didn't do anything during that time frame. I'm interested to hear more of your characterization of your chat with Believer yesterday, though.

Overtly sexual and inappropriate for human consumption. It would make your eyeballs bleed.

I spent most of the time pressuring him and accusing him of being mafia with Split or possibly Robbiecon. He took it rather well, and had an excellent sense of humor about it. I eventually decided he wasn't guilty.

Then when he completely bungled the tally, I was certain he wasn't mafia. Which reminds me, why would I think he's mafia now. Hmm.

I guess for being correct on Classical_hero before most everyone else. It's a possible tell; although I have to admit it's more common from townies, especially since he backed it up with votes and didn't switch away from it on his own.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 22:58

Not insisting, eh?

No, I was very insistent. You were not.

Thank goodness you're only quoting the parts of our conversation that are possible to reprint on the .org.

Believer

06-10-2011, 23:00

No, I was very insistent. You were not.

Thank goodness you're only quoting the parts of our conversation that are possible to reprint on the .org.

I had a raging....

... interest, in re-reading our conversation. You're far from clean in my eyes, Mr. Devious.

Askthepizzaguy

06-10-2011, 23:01

I had a raging....

... interest, in re-reading our conversation. You're far from clean in my eyes, Mr. Devious.

I'm a dirty, dirty boy.

Or, in this case, girl. Though I'm far more comfortable in the former role.

Renata

06-10-2011, 23:25

ATPG -- Where did Believer vote CH, before now?

Csargo

06-10-2011, 23:28

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053325064&viewfull=1#post2053325064

500

Splitpersonality

06-11-2011, 01:03

Edit -- OK.

Neutrals are a potential problem, and not one I'm sure what to do about at this point.

Being the one claimed Neutral thusfar I'd like to hear out your concerns, what exact problem is there potential for?

Renata

06-11-2011, 01:16

Neutral role issues --

Option 1: Victory conditions and/or capabilities. Autolycus seems to have been a serial killer sort, for example.
Option 2: Being alive at a point where siding with the mafia might make more sense than siding with us.
Option 3: Lying about being neutral at all.

Thanks, Csargo.

Splitpersonality

06-11-2011, 01:27

True enough, but you need to take into account secondary goals and flourishes.

Some people might be more interested in attempting to secure a total victory rather than just the simple one for a main VC.

If you look at Autolycus, he was neutral favor and neutral pop.

His Secondary VC probably had something to do with this SK-ness, and his flourish was probably something even stranger.

With Neutrals I don't think it is as black and white as selling the town out.

edit.
Despite this reasoning I do understand your problems, I'd just like to say I'm more willing to work with the town that you might give me credit for. Other neutrals I cannot speak for however :bow:

classical_hero

06-11-2011, 04:56

Oh well. had the day not gone on longer I would not have had any suspicion on me. I do have a message for you, but I need to run it by the host first. Things are just going to get fun from here, I can tell you that. :grin:

TheLastDays

06-11-2011, 05:10

You had my suspicion from Day 2 :P or was it 3? Whenever the Visor-wagon occured...

Askthepizzaguy

06-11-2011, 09:55

I've also noted that in games with recruitment, neutrals are typically recruitable.

Basically, Split has to die any round we don't have a better suspect.

Visor

06-11-2011, 09:58

Are you saying that this is a conversion game?

Askthepizzaguy

06-11-2011, 10:00

Are you saying that this is a conversion game?

I haven't ruled it out. We already know of two neutrals, and there's also others out there with neutral tendencies. Large number of neutrals + serial killer tells me this could be a cult game.

I don't know what purpose neutrals would serve otherwise.

Splitpersonality

06-11-2011, 10:05

Telling neutrals that you're going to kill them when, essentially, you get the spare time to, isn't going to leave that great an impression on any who would like to come out as neutral :smile:

Askthepizzaguy

06-11-2011, 10:11

Telling neutrals that you're going to kill them when, essentially, you get the spare time to, isn't going to leave that great an impression on any who would like to come out as neutral :smile:

I don't want you guys to come out as neutral. I'd prefer it if the mafia accidentally murder you.

I'll vote to kill the next person who claims neutral.

TheLastDays

06-11-2011, 10:22

Well we have to wait for the Mafia anyway now... but after CH is gone I'm a little clueless now, will have to look at the thread in more detail but I'm at work right now so I don't have that much time...

There's too many that have been acting a bit suspicious when there might be only one Mafia left... ATPG, Secura, Believer, myself... there's a bunch of people worth voting for

Askthepizzaguy

06-11-2011, 10:24

Yes, I agree with you that you've been acting suspicious. :laugh4:

TheLastDays

06-11-2011, 10:43

I figured as much :P
it makes you even more suspicious though...

Askthepizzaguy

06-11-2011, 11:07

I think it is suspicious that you find yourself suspicious and then find me suspicious for finding you suspicious for finding yourself suspicious. That's very suspicious.

:stare:

TheLastDays

06-11-2011, 11:43

It is...

HAHA, I'm having fun :D

classical_hero

06-11-2011, 16:03

We now have targets so thanks for getting yourself out in the open. :grin:

Believer

06-11-2011, 16:19

We now have targets so thanks for getting yourself out in the open. :grin:

Just give them up now CH. There's no use, you can't fight us. Make it easier on yourself, I promise I'll be gentle.

Askthepizzaguy

06-11-2011, 17:06

We now have targets so thanks for getting yourself out in the open. :grin:

Wouldn't your targets be everyone else besides you? :laugh4:

Renata

06-11-2011, 17:32

I'll paint a bulls-eye on my butt.

Askthepizzaguy

06-11-2011, 17:39

I'll paint a bulls-eye on my butt.

That would be an impressive feat in and of itself. Congratulations in advance.

Diamondeye

06-11-2011, 21:07

Music Mafia
End of night four...

After the Artists had gone each to their own, Renata had started his nightly practice; He needed her shape to be better than ever for a grand tour that he had been planning for some time now. He was so busy that he only noticed the figure behind him when he moonwalked into him. He looked down at the stranger. "Hey kid, whatcha doing here?"

In response, the stranger simply pushed him backwards.
"Hey! Beat it!" Renata raised his fists and tilted his fedora. "You wanna be startin' something, huh?"
"As a matter of fact, I am!"
Renata shrieked in pain as waves of horrid and mindbreakingly bad music washed over him. His attacker looked down at the broken musician.
"Well, that was a thrill, huh?"
Renata seemed incapable of replying. The attacker kicked his prone and lifeless body and left the scene of the crime.

Renata was Michael Jackson!
https://i52.tinypic.com/kf198y.jpg
He was of good popularity and of good favor with the DJ!

Players Alive (9):
TheLastDays
Romanic
AskThePizzaGuy
Robbiecon
Csargo
Secura
Spl1tPersonality
Captain Blackadder
Believer

It is now day five!
Voting ends in roughly 24 hours!

robbiecon

06-11-2011, 21:25

Believer, as Britney Spears, I believe is a safe enough bet to probably be good. If what has been said in the thread so far is true, Diamondeye himself likes Britney, and Britney was immensely popular back in the day. And while she has made some bad decisions, she I imagine would qualify for good popularity. Unlike Lady Gaga, there is not totally divided opinion, and people in general seem to be happy enough to be subjected to her music.

If split is neutral, (did he claim to be Enya, or was that privately, I don't know, and I don't have enough spare time right now to fully check out), then I'm willing to let him off too.

So, Vote: Captain Blackadder, time to talk, Sir!

Seon

06-11-2011, 22:43

kid

0_0...

I KNEW IT! JUSTIN BIEBER! If townies lose, I will never forgive them...

Seon

06-11-2011, 22:46

Speaking of which...something seems off about ATPG this game... Don't really know why....

Secura

06-12-2011, 01:41

Captain Blackadder

06-12-2011, 02:55

Wow, this is a bit of a swing and a miss, robbiecon... I think this post is a strong argument against skimreading if ever I've seen one!

split claimed to be Britney (and claimed he was Neutral Pop) and it was Pizza that claimed Enya, while Believer has not claimed anyone yet; how did you get all those muddled up so badly?

Deliberately?

classical_hero

06-12-2011, 04:19

This is going to be so much fun to watch you guys. Your gonna pay for lynching me. Your gonna get this in your back. I am playing the drums here. :grin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XhDHJNuyXw

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 05:05

Speaking of which...something seems off about ATPG this game... Don't really know why....

Because whenever ATPG is townie, everyone thinks he's guilty. That would be why. I cite for you every game ever as evidence.

Vote: Secura

Take a stand, my sweet.

Believer

06-12-2011, 05:22

Vote: Csargo

It's time to lose, scum.

Csargo

06-12-2011, 05:43

I'm not scum

https://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5209/saiyank.jpg

I've been waiting to use that.

Believer

06-12-2011, 06:35

The remaining scum are hiding behind one or more of these names.

AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Believer, Robbiecon, Csargo.

This is entirely based upon the vote that killed CH. It was a pretty close vote up until the end.
1. ATPG - Weak candidate, can be accused of talking me out of voting CH and bandwagoning split.
2. CB - Strong candidate. Has posted very little useful and voted just to stay under the radar.
3. Believer - Moderate candidate. Can be accused of scheming behind the scenes for my private talks with ATPG/Renata/Secura. Can also be accused of bussing CH.
4. Robbiecon - Weak candidate. Can be accused of trying to save his scumbuddy CH. The vote was unclear with a steady increase of votes on CH, good round for town and hard for mafia.
5. Csargo - Strong candidate. Can be accused of trying to save CH. Not much else to go on here, but I feel he's the right choice.

Romanic

06-12-2011, 06:48

I agree with your suspect #3 :laugh4:

vote: Believer

- One off vote on autolycus, Day 1.
- One off vote on Renata, Day 2.
- Voted for Visorslash, after he claimed a scanning power, on Day 3.
- Voted classical_hero on Day 4, after he was ahead of the tally (classical 5, Split 4). This could very well be bussing.

One off votes are typically scummy because Scums like to be the only one voting for someone: They don't get comebacks for it, good way to fly under the radar.

TheLastDays

06-12-2011, 07:28

The remaining scum are hiding behind one or more of these names.

AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Believer, Robbiecon, Csargo.

I'm amazed I'm not on that list :D

also, vote: Romanic

Believer

06-12-2011, 08:30

classical_hero

06-12-2011, 08:43

Based on basically nothing. You got lucky that I was actually mafia, since my voting pattern is absolutely no different to what it is as a townie. Yet every time it brings suspicion on me. So if I make my vote useful I am scum, and yet if I make my vote useless by voting for someone who is not in the lead, it is town. That is some weird criteria.

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 09:05

TheLastDays

06-12-2011, 09:30

I expected this. If I helped bringing CH down then I'm happy to put my life on the line for it. However, I did try to push for CH before anyone else in that round, take that however you want.

except that I was, vehemently, going for him a round earlier, when you all had to lynch Visor...

Man I really wanted to pressure Romanic a bit but your scum just sticks to my shoes... better get rid of it

unvote, vote: Believer

robbiecon

06-12-2011, 11:59

Secura

06-12-2011, 12:20

Deliberately?

I don't understand this train of thought... what would anyone have to gain from deliberately making such a slip-up?

Take a stand, my sweet.

Your flourish is very annoying, evasive Pizza isn't as much fun.

TheLastDays

06-12-2011, 12:56

Your flourish is very annoying, evasive Pizza isn't as much fun.

Did I miss anything? I thought Pizza had lost his flourish day 1 and wasn't going after it anymore...

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 13:34

I don't even recall what his flourish was/is so I'm even more confused :laugh4:

Visor

06-12-2011, 13:50

His flourish: He cannot vote for the person who is lynched. He failed it Day 1 when JHT was lynched.

Secura

06-12-2011, 13:56

Then that makes his vote all the more interesting to me; why the change of tune, Pizza?

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 14:11

So is he intentionally misplacing his vote?

Why would Enya of all artists have that flourish? That sounds odd.

Captain Blackadder

06-12-2011, 14:15

I don't understand this train of thought... what would anyone have to gain from deliberately making such a slip-up?

I was being droll forgive me.

As for the current situation I say the two biggest suspects to mind are both believer and Csargo. I don't believe that ATPG is a particularly strong candidate but then again I can never read him as mafia or town he is always just ATPG.

For now Vote Csargo

I think he is the stronger candidate for the lynch then believer.

Secura

06-12-2011, 14:23

So is he intentionally misplacing his vote?

Well, I'm struggling to understand the reasoning behind it, so attributed it to his flourish since I hadn't realised he'd lost that with the JHT lynch.

Why would Enya of all artists have that flourish? That sounds odd.

Well, Pizza's claim to be Enya hasn't been proven either way, but I have received word of a scan result that confirms his role's gender as being female; we also know from Visorslash that his favour is Good, but neither of these are indicative of innocence or guilt.

I've been mulling it over ever since Pizza revealed as Enya, and I cannot for the life of me understand how she'd qualify to be on the same level of popularity as Michael Jackson or even be considered more popular than Lady Gaga; if you think about it, Enya would be a genius cover role because there's so much ambiguity about her popularity that it'd take an alignment scanner to truly figure her out.

There has been something off about Pizza in this game, but I can't quite put my finger on it yet.

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 14:47

The only and literally only reason I even know of enya is because of the song "Only time".

Her wiki seems to show that she was very well known and enjoyed, but her wiki is also something ATPG would have access to if he were to establish a cover role for himself.

edit:
I agree with you, he does seem to be off.

Maybe it is the fact that he is masking logical arguments and solid cases with pure aggression on his lynch targets?

I don't know about any behind the scenes work however so I can't speak for that.

Secura

06-12-2011, 15:11

The only and literally only reason I even know of enya is because of the song "Only time".

You've never heard of Orinoco Flow? That really annoying song that repeats "sail away" again and again and again... I thought that was her most well-known song. :laugh4:

Her wiki seems to show that she was very well known and enjoyed

She's hardly on par with the King of Pop though, nor does record sales equate to popularity; look at Justin Bieber.

TheLastDays

06-12-2011, 15:14

Well, maybe she's neutral, maybe Pizza's neutral... or DE just sees Enya as someone who's popular... or ATPG is trying to set us up... I haven't played with him much before but actually he seems more serious in this game than in the last one... dunno if that's good or bad

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 15:16

I've never heard it, and now I'm regretting having youtubed it. My god, this song should sail away.

I wouldn't call her on par with MJ, but she is popular, I know a lot of people who enjoy her music :shrug:

classical_hero

06-12-2011, 15:38

Enya is considered good and Phil Collins is considered bad? What a crazy game this is.

Csargo

06-12-2011, 17:23

5. Csargo - Strong candidate. Can be accused of trying to save CH. Not much else to go on here, but I feel he's the right choice.

How can I be accused of trying to save CH? I've already explained my reason for voting split. The tally at the time was:

4 Split (Renata, ATPG, Believer, Captain Blackadder)
4 Believer (Romanic, robbiecon, TheLastDays, Secura)
1 Captain Blackadder (Csargo)

CH didn't have a vote when I switched mine, so how could I be trying to save CH?

For now Vote Csargo

I think he is the stronger candidate for the lynch then believer.

NO U

Vote:CB

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 17:33

Then that makes his vote all the more interesting to me; why the change of tune, Pizza?

Because I already failed my flourish and it is now meaningless... and now I can pressure suspects with my vote.

Also, Split pretending to find my flourish odd is quite amusing to me. Come on neutral, if you've already sided with the scum, I might as well just vote for you.

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 17:40

I don't pretend.

I'm tired of your disingenuous assertions. trying to push my buttons.

Vote: ATPG

johnhughthom

06-12-2011, 18:17

How dare you people criticise Donegal's second finest musical export, I'm shocked and appalled.

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 18:18

I don't pretend.

I'm tired of your disingenuous assertions. trying to push my buttons.

Vote: ATPG

Tired of looking for scum, if you ever were? Just concerned with threats on your life, I see....

Very well, if you're offering your life, I suppose I'll have to take it.

Unvote, vote: Split

Secura

06-12-2011, 18:22

Because I already failed my flourish and it is now meaningless... and now I can pressure suspects with my vote.

This doesn't really answer my question, though; earlier in the game you stated that you were certain of my innocence (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053323914&viewfull=1#post2053323914), and now you're labelling me as a suspect.

So, I ask again, why the change of tune?

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 18:23

I'm not tired of looking for scum I'm tired of you acting like every god :daisy: thing you say is fact.

I just think maybe someone needs to call you out.

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 18:25

This doesn't really answer my question, though; earlier in the game you stated that you were certain of my innocence (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053323914&viewfull=1#post2053323914), and now you're labelling me as a suspect.

So, I ask again, why the change of tune?

You cannot seriously be asking me this question. You are certainly aware of the context of that statement, which was back when I was still under the impression that our being scanned cleared us.

It did not, as folks have pointed out. You can't have forgotten that already.

Why the change of tune? Different sets of facts mean different conclusions.

Secura

06-12-2011, 18:29

Why the change of tune? Different sets of facts mean different conclusions.

That's fair enough, but then I guess you can provide reasoning as to why I warrant this renewed suspicion. I wouldn't mind knowing why I should be considered more suspicious that some of the other remaining players, either.

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 18:43

That's fair enough, but then I guess you can provide reasoning as to why I warrant this renewed suspicion. I wouldn't mind knowing why I should be considered more suspicious that some of the other remaining players, either.

As I mentioned to several other players, I view the current situation as one of two things.

1) Classical_hero was caught based on good old fashioned town consensus, and everyone who voted for him is innocent.

2) Classical_hero was thrown under the bus by his mafia partners.

The first situation isn't very dangerous at all, as it leaves few suspects to lynch and then we've won. In that case we don't have much to be concerned with.

The second situation is dangerous, as some people will be given a pass for the next several rounds, and those are the very people who were behind Classical_hero's death. If he was bussed, I don't feel like it was done as an afterthought, because nobody really falls for that. It's actually a common scum tell.

What does work and what does fool people is when you bus your partner while under no pressure, for no reason. It works especially well in a game with revealed alignment upon death. Typically, you either begin the wagon yourself or join it early. Beginning it yourself smacks of PIS, which is why I'm not letting some people off the hook for pointing their finger at C_H all game. In fact that tends to indicate the opposite in a not insignificant number of examples. Especially if they're rather vehement about it.

Could be me just being paranoid, but I think I can afford to be, here. Either the situation is as straightforward as it seems, or it is not. If it is not, the danger lies in unexpected places.

I'm pointing my finger in the general direction of the accusers and wagoners of C_H. No one specifically yet, but I felt like you've been too cautious or neutral-sounding in your posts. You'll comment but not vote or lead the discussion anywhere; it feels like you're letting the game happen rather than actively looking for scum.

This is still in the generic, but it is leading to the specific. General scumtells and tactical maneuvers are what I'm using as a basis for my current thought process. I'm not completely sold on anyone, not you, not anyone. I'm not going to give anyone a pass, or assume that there isn't any fine print involved in the marvelous gift which was C_H's lynch.

Split on the other hand seems to have admitted his neutrality and survival win conditions. He will be a problem in the later stages of the game since he effectively adds a vote to the mafia side. A combination of "there's still time" and I have only a vague idea where to point my suspicions means I'm fine with accusing and voting suspects or getting rid of Split. I'm not going to continue yapping on about why, it should be obvious it's not a good idea to leave neutrals around, especially when there are no other very strong leads.

TheLastDays

06-12-2011, 18:45

If what Csargo says is true about his vote change then I really think Believer is the strongest suspect right now. Also CHs dreadful proclamations of things to come sound like he's nervous we're killing his partner...

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 18:52

Split on the other hand seems to have admitted his neutrality and survival win conditions. He will be a problem in the later stages of the game since he effectively adds a vote to the mafia side. A combination of "there's still time" and I have only a vague idea where to point my suspicions means I'm fine with accusing and voting suspects or getting rid of Split. I'm not going to continue yapping on about why, it should be obvious it's not a good idea to leave neutrals around, especially when there are no other very strong leads.

I don't effectively do anything.

I don't understand what it is that you would rather axe me, someone who came forward and said "Here's what I am, here's what I am supposed to do," rather than other people who are far less honest.

I don't understand why you look at me and assume I'm going to :daisy: the town as soon as possible when I haven't been contacted once, and if you keep up this talk of lynching me I'm sure they won't even bother to kill me or contact me because I'm a good enough point of contention. I have other goals besides my primary survival objective, namely that of being a decent townie.

I don't know why but I just feel like you're loosely trying to point the finger at anyone, hoping people join along, and if that doesn't work, rally fears against split, he's not a "good guy" like the rest of us! Why does it feel like you're simply stalling?

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 18:58

Nothing personal, Split, but you do have a track record of being dubious when there's any possibility of betraying the town.

It's not even that, really.... neutral in a small game. They don't have to contact you. You don't have to have any current intent of turning on the town. You don't even have to want to do so in the future. All that matters to the scums is that you are one less person they have to murder.

You don't have to go daggers on the town or have any contact with the mafia to be a real threat. I'd prefer to lynch you over a likely townie, because we are likely to lynch a townie at this stage of the game, but we know what you are, and we don't have to lynch a townie this round when we have you.

Again, it's not personal. I have similarly been tossed to the wolves in spite of my good intentions as neutral, many a time. Just part of the game, man.

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 19:00

Name any game other than Capo where I've actively betrayed the town. :Daisy:, name all of them.

The way you're making things it seems like I might as well just go out of my way to spite you, but I won't.

You're still dodging my question. Why does it seem like you're stalling?

Secura

06-12-2011, 19:05

I'm pointing my finger in the general direction of the accusers and wagoners of C_H. No one specifically yet, but I felt like you've been too cautious or neutral-sounding in your posts. You'll comment but not vote or lead the discussion anywhere; it feels like you're letting the game happen rather than actively looking for scum.

This baffles me.

How can you say that I've been "too cautious" when I acted as I did at the start of the game, a manner in which almost got me lynched and takes cojones regardless of alignment? How can you say that I've been "too neutral-sounding" when I accused robbiecon, pressed split and Believer last round, you this round? And finally, how can you say that I'm not "leading the discussion" when I'm poking around and trying to get responses from people, such as the elusive Believer?

As for my votes, they're as follows:
D1: johnhughthom, random vote, first post I made.
D2: Believer, I took a while to vote as I was more focused on responding to accusations and an increasing bandwagon.
D3: robbiecon, my first post of D3, then through two pressure votes on split and Believer, eventually changed to classical_hero after a discussion with Renata

Only during this phase can you say that I've been hesistant with my vote, but can you blame me? I've levied accusations at robbiecon and Believer, and nobody's given two hoots! -_-'

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 19:07

Name any game other than Capo where I've actively betrayed the town. :Daisy:, name all of them.

Capo is a good enough example. We were winning, you were under no real threat, and I was keeping you protected. I even trusted you with my information.

One black mark is all I need. How often have you been neutral? :inquisitive:

The way you're making things it seems like I might as well just go out of my way to spite you, but I won't.

As I said, you don't have to. If this were just Split's track record I was dealing with, fine. Everyone betrays. Everyone is untrustworthy. But you're a neutral in a small game, and that means I just cannot trust you. There's not enough rounds where I can ignore you indefinitely. In Capo, the threat of neutrals is when like 8 or 9 rounds have gone by and they still make up a significant portion of the vote or if there's too many scums to kill and not enough time to wipe them out. Big games give you leniency on neutrals. Small games don't afford you the luxury.

One dead neutral is superior to one dead townie right now, and is roughly equal to one dead scum regardless, just because you either are scum or can win with them.

It's a simple decision for me. Small chance of lynching real scum, large chance of lynching townies, or 100% chance of destroying a neutral. Gotta go with the obvious winner.

You're still dodging my question. Why does it seem like you're stalling?

You'd have to answer that question, as you're the one implying that I am stalling. I don't know what you're referring to.

Csargo

06-12-2011, 19:08

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 19:12

This baffles me.

During this day phase is what I'm referring to.

Acting in a manner that almost gets you lynched isn't a free pass to innocence. If you start something like quoting Gaga over and over, and cease under pressure, does that reverse people's opinion of you or reinforce it? Do I believe you can be incredibly ballsy as mafia? Yes. You're far more nervous when you're townie, too concerned how others might view you. As scum, you don't ever act like you're stressed or anxious. I can't name a single time you've behaved that way as scum, and I can name several games where you've been scum.

Can I blame you for being hesitant with your vote? If I can't see why you should be, then yes. Levying accusations and voting are two different things. Why aren't you backing up your accusations with votes? I have.

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 19:14

At this point there are better places for your vote than on split. We know he's claimed neutral, and I believe that is true at this point. We've got CB and Believer in my mind are good lynch choices at this point. After they're lynched then we should lynch split if there are no better choices.

I'd prefer to lynch Split and let the mafia tell us who we shouldn't be lynching with their murder.

Let the scums murder townies. I want someone who is as good as scum in a small game dead first. Then, with better odds of lynching scum, we should try the blind finger pointing. At least get the odds on our side.

I completely disagree. It's more pressing now. Later, we will need those lynches to be on scums, not neutrals.

Secura

06-12-2011, 19:26

During this day phase is what I'm referring to.

The initial phrasing came across as though I've been hesistant to vote throughout the game; my bad.

Acting in a manner that almost gets you lynched isn't a free pass to innocence. If you start something like quoting Gaga over and over, and cease under pressure, does that reverse people's opinion of you or reinforce it? Do I believe you can be incredibly ballsy as mafia? Yes. You're far more nervous when you're townie, too concerned how others might view you. As scum, you don't ever act like you're stressed or anxious. I can't name a single time you've behaved that way as scum, and I can name several games where you've been scum.

I didn't claim that acting as such proved me to be innocent; the only thing that will prove my claims is death, an investigator or the game ending with me still alive. I can agree that I've played ballsy as scum, but there are occasions where I've been highly stressed; losing AVSM on Night 1 in Shadow Fort, constant fear of being lynched/killed in Noblesse Oblige or the final tug-on-my-heartstrings outcome of Haiku Mafia all ring out as specific examples I can recall.

The difference here is that I'm vanilla, and as you have so often told me, you might as well play ballsy in that situation because the only impact you can have on the game is with your posts and your vote. If I'm going to die, then at least I'll have gone out with my head held high rather than lurking through to the end, no?

Can I blame you for being hesitant with your vote? If I can't see why you should be, then yes. Levying accusations and voting are two different things. Why aren't you backing up your accusations with votes? I have.

You see no reason to be hesistant in voting, and why would you; when Pizza speaks, people generally listen, I've been saying this a thousand times over about the Gameroom. I accused robbiecon earlier, and nobody batted an eyelid, not even robbiecon himself. How am I supposed to handle that?!

I'm not accusing you per se, I'm asking questions and trying to understand your approach to this game better; my vote will follow soon enough.

Csargo

06-12-2011, 19:37

I'd prefer to lynch Split and let the mafia tell us who we shouldn't be lynching with their murder.

Let the scums murder townies. I want someone who is as good as scum in a small game dead first. Then, with better odds of lynching scum, we should try the blind finger pointing. At least get the odds on our side.

I completely disagree. It's more pressing now. Later, we will need those lynches to be on scums, not neutrals.

Scums?

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 19:37

Unvote;

If you're going to lynch me I might as well try to be useful and not just throw OMGUS votes around.

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 19:41

Scums?

As a host of games, I don't design them with 1 SK and 2 scums unless it is a mini; it's too easy for the SK to wipe out half the mafia team by himself. It could happen on N1 if he's lucky and there are only two scums.

I figure 3 scums, 1 SK, a couple neutrals, a pair of townie detectives with different uses, and vanillas.

1 scum, 1 SK dead; 1 neutral and we're good to go. :cool:

Csargo

06-12-2011, 19:43

If that were true I'd give up now.

Askthepizzaguy

06-12-2011, 19:49

If that were true I'd give up now.

Not if you make Split dead. Then you've got mostly townies and the two scums remaining.

Basically, you lynch a townie today and it's almost over. You lynch Split, you buy time and one less vote for the mafia, and more importantly, you don't lynch a townie.

I'm off to work. Have fun?

Secura

06-12-2011, 19:53

You lynch Split, you buy time and one less vote for the mafia.

Unless split votes alongside the town?

Secura

06-12-2011, 20:09

Anyway, if Pizza's theory that there's two mafia remaining is on the money, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to lynch a neutral who could very well help us out just as easily as he could the mafia.

Instead, I'm going to follow through with earlier suspicions and vote: robbiecon... I've seen nothing that changes my opinion there.

Splitpersonality

06-12-2011, 20:18

Unless split votes alongside the town?

Now why would I do that :laugh4:?

Inside is a load of :daisy: just some easy things for me to reference on this page. My ideas on things right now.

Dead so far:
Good/Good
Good/Good
Good/Neutral
Neutral/Neutral (sk?)
Good/Neutral
Good/Bad - Visorslash
Good/Neutral
Bad/Neutral - Classical_Hero
Good/Good

People left (9):
TheLastDays
Romanic
AskThePizzaGuy
Robbiecon
Csargo
Secura
Spl1tPersonality
Captain Blackadder
Believer

In this pile of people, there are at least TWO Neutral/Good characters

My guesses would have to be either Romanic, TLD, or Csargo. You guys are playing rather quietly. You're not lurking away, but if survival is your goal then you appear to be on the correct path.

I would also speculate ATPG, possibly with his flourish not being what he originally stated it to be, and more of it being a goal to get a specific artist lynched. But that is just total speculation...

IF Eminem was not a SK like we presume, then I imagine there are one or two Neutral/Neutral characters that still exist.
Again I would say Romanic, TLD, or Csargo would be one of those.

Vote: Robbiecon you were accused by Secura and haven't said much, what gives? You claim that your mind is "on another planet" and you are skimming the thread quite heavily.

Diamondeye

06-12-2011, 20:50

With about 10 minutes left of the round, this is the current tally:

Captain Blackadder: 2 (Robbiecon, Csargo)
Csargo: 2 (Believer, Captain Blackadder)
Believer: 2 (Romanic, TheLastDays)
Robbicon: 2 (Secura, Spl1tp3t50nal1ty)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (AskThePizzaGuy)

There is a four-way tie currently. Ties are resolved by RNG.

Diamondeye

06-12-2011, 21:13

Music Mafia
End of day five...

The fifth day seemed to be one great brawl; the remaining half of the Artists seemed to be encouraged by their catch from yesterday and were all eager to follow up on their suspicions. But as to who were suspicious, opinions were sorely divided. The small group shouted at each other louder and louder until someone just shrugged, yelled, "who cares about this guy anyway" and pushed robbiecon off the ledge. They fell silent as they heard Robbiecon's voice as he fell towards the floor.

"Kanye ain't hating on nooooboooody." Slam.

Robbiecon was Kanye West
http://i56.tinypic.com/4l0yg8.jpg
He was of neutral popularity and of bad favor with the DJ!

The tally posted above is still correct.

Players Alive (8):
TheLastDays
Romanic
AskThePizzaGuy
Csargo
Secura
Spl1tPersonality
Captain Blackadder
Believer

It is now night five!
Please send your orders before the deadline which is in roughly 24 hours.

Csargo

06-12-2011, 21:27

Kanye noooooooooooo :sad:

Csargo

06-12-2011, 21:39

Did split ever reveal his secondary goal?

Secura

06-12-2011, 21:55

Kanye noooooooooooo :sad:

I'm sure Pizza will be appeased by the death of a neutral, moreso in this case since it's Neutral/Bad Kanye rather than Neutral/Good Britney; now let's see what the mafia does overnight.

Did split ever reveal his secondary goal?

Nope.

Renata

06-13-2011, 00:50

What the heck was that.

Believer

06-13-2011, 03:07

I'm sorry I was so AFK during almost the entire day. I had some pressing family matters to attend to that took up all my time. Before I had to go I laid out my suspects as fairly as I could, even including myself. I hope this was useful.

What the heck was that.
That's a decisive town for ya.

Csargo

06-13-2011, 04:26

I'm sorry I was so AFK during almost the entire day. I had some pressing family matters to attend to that took up all my time. Before I had to go I laid out my suspects as fairly as I could, even including myself. I hope this was useful.

Well, you could reply to my post. I would like to know the answer to that.

Believer

06-13-2011, 04:40

Well, you could reply to my post. I would like to know the answer to that.

I must've missed it, would you link it to me? I only skimmed the last few pages.

Csargo

06-13-2011, 05:13

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053327025&viewfull=1#post2053327025

Believer

06-13-2011, 05:24

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053327025&viewfull=1#post2053327025

Hm, I must've been mistaken. That's my bad, somehow I mixed you up with somebody else. =/

classical_hero

06-13-2011, 09:02

1323
It was a shame a neutral person was lynched, but not a big deal.

Secura

06-13-2011, 10:22

What the heck was that.

I think the lynch may have been more decisive had more of the remaining players been active beyond posting a vote and then vanishing.

Visor

06-13-2011, 10:30

Even if you spared me from the lynch now, someone would only bring me up as a possible candidate at a later time, which is terrible when numbers dwindle and each lynch becomes more important; so, if there's any suspicion as to my role, then it's better to get rid of me now rather than leave me alive and have the hard choice come up later.

Of course, that's if the mafia leave me alive as lynchbait rather than outright kill me.

I'm that someone. So... let's kill Secura. :P

Actually I'd like some pressure on Romanichine. So can you guys put some on him? I'm kinda dead.

Secura

06-13-2011, 10:37

I'm that someone. So... let's kill Secura.

I am really looking forward to saying "I told you so" once I'm dead/this game ends.

Visor

06-13-2011, 10:40

I assume you know I'm joking right?

And that you didn't see the bottom part of my post. *whistles*

Secura

06-13-2011, 10:52

I assume you know I'm joking right?

And that you didn't see the bottom part of my post. *whistles*

Assume nothing, treacle. :P

I saw it, but I see no reason to pressure Romanic just yet... also, I think suggesting targets to pressure for the following day phase is just giving the mafia ideas of who not to kill. :/

Visor

06-13-2011, 11:07

I'll be interested to see who dies. It could be Romanic, to frame all the people who are on the Romanic is bad track.

Diamondeye

06-13-2011, 21:25

Music Mafia
Night five ends...

AskThePizzaGuy was sitting, humming to herself. She couldn't hear the soft footfalls of the gracious assassin who walked in on her. The assailant glided up behind her like a snake, listening to the harmonic mumbling the always so verbose singer was reduced to at night. Finally, it forced a string of cloth over the head of the unsuspecting victim and strangled her to death. In the lack of humming, the fine footfalls were still almost unhearable as the attacker left the scene.

AskThePizzaGuy was Enya!
http://i54.tinypic.com/347739j.jpg
She was of good popularity and of good favor with the DJ!

Players Alive (7):
TheLastDays
Romanic
Csargo
Secura
Spl1tPersonality
Captain Blackadder
Believer

It is now day six!
Voting closes in roughly 24 hours, at 10 PM CEST!