Music Mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah well... one more chance if there's still two of them and we miss, right?

No, because neutral boy still lives.

[Renata]

Wonder why I was killed differently from Pizza.

[TheLastDays]

Anyway, we just need to kill scum and be done with it... So if those that are of bad popularity would now raise their hands that would be nice

[TheLastDays]

Wonder why I was killed differently from Pizza.

I keep wondering about these light footsteps that are hardly heard... could be a hint

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why is the assassin "gracious" instead of graceful?

[Diamondeye]

Why is the assassin "gracious" instead of graceful?

Wjy is English not my primary language :tongue: You probably can't consider that a hint, sorry :sweatdrop:

[Splitpersonality]

It seems our killer is sneaky, perhaps someone fleet of foot, judging by this writeup and the one in which he kicks MJ to death. Aside from that only general sneakyness has been mentioned :/

Unrelated question:
What is your primary language DE? :o

[TheLastDays]

Ok, I just checked the night-writeups:
Ignoring the night 1 kill that wa obviously the sk we have
N1: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053322491&viewfull=1#post2053322491) sneaking, killing more or less silently, stroke to the head
N2: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053323511&highlight=#post2053323511) loudmouth, killing by "horrible sound"
N3: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053325009&highlight=#post2053325009) sneaking, stroke to the head

We lynched bad pop CH next day, he was Phil Collins

N4: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053326646&highlight=#post2053326646) loudmouth, killing by "horrible sound"
N5: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053327716&highlight=#post2053327716) "gracious" assassin, strangling to death

It looks like they took turns in killing, until we killed CH, the next night was the other killer's turn anyways, now we have something new... this makes me nervous, I don't like it....
hitting someone to the head with a weapon, rather striking them, fits Phil Collins as a drummer...

I think there's two left, dunno where the third has been hiding up til now though...

[Romanic]

Bah, you don't need to pressure me, at the point we're at, I'm ready to talk, if it can help us figure things.

I'm Mariah Carey, Good/Good and I can scan for gender. My results so far:

Night 1: classical_hero - male
Night 2: Renata - male
Night 3: ATPG - female
Night 4: Split - female
Night 5: Believer - female

Like Visorslash's ability (favor scan), my power seems useless, unless the mafia have cover role of different gender, and our scans can go through it. So far I haven't had much luck scanning people claiming female.

I revealed to Renata on day 3 after scanning her. Also revealed to Secura on Night 3, to duplicate the info if Renata was scum, and also talked a little with ATPG. I'm not dead yet so I figure Secura isn't mafia, or they deem that my ability is not dangerous.

One point that could explain my ability is perhaps my flourish goal, which is to be the last remaining woman alive, meaning it's useful in some way, but meh, I don't intend to chase it and impede the main goal. I do however think it makes sense for one woman to be mafia, at least this would give some sense to my ability, besides helping with my flourish.

Three known females: Believer, Split and myself. I'm still liking the case on Believer, thus

vote: Believer

And I think it's time to get a clear claim from you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hate to be sexist, but I do like the theory that one of the scums is female.

The graceful movements and nearly silent actions seem to indicate someone who is petite, and dudes are usually loud, heavier, and clumsy.

[Splitpersonality]

Rebecca Black and Justin Bieber.

:laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Rebecca Black and Justin Bieber.

:laugh4:

Barbara Streisand. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZC67Qr-68&feature=related)

[B-Wing]

AskThePizzaGuy was Enya!
She was of good popularity and of good favor with the DJ!

...what??

[Captain Blackadder]

vote: Captain Blackadder

I don't have much to go on at the moment, since my principal suspect was lynched yesterday; however, I feel like you've gotten by for most of the game with only the slightest input and would like to hear more from you.

As I have said to me their is two really major suspects left firstly we have Csargo. Unless his flourish is to get me lynched not much can explain his strange fascination with me voting for me three times even when there was no danger that I would be lynched which to me looks scummy. Scum do love to just chuck their votes on either bandwagons or put them on people who are nowhere near the lead. The second one is believer for his behaviour around the lynch of the only scum we have got thus far. Unlike some of the others I feel that Csargo is the more pressing lynch since at least to me he is the more scummy but Believer is a decent lynch as well.

Vote Csargo

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote;

Satisfied with Robbie's answer so far :bow: Thank you.

Vote: Believer to keep the pressure up :devil:

[Romanic]

Of course by "Robbie" you mean "Romanic" :laugh4:

[Splitpersonality]

I'm working on 40 something hours and no sleep. I beg your pardon.

:clown:

[Believer]

Vote: Captain Blackadder

Seriously guys?
I'm not scum and I dislike that some of you are after me constantly. Just take a step back and think for a second, if Believer isn't scum who is?

Just play with the thought for a while, see what you get.



I hate to be sexist, but I do like the theory that one of the scums is female.

The graceful movements and nearly silent actions seem to indicate someone who is petite, and dudes are usually loud, heavier, and clumsy.

Which is more likely, to you. Romanic or me?

[TheLastDays]

Well Believer I have done this "Step back" approach. Up until now the answer was: If Belieber isn't scum, it's ATPG.... well since that is ruled out now I can only say: If Believer isn't scum... no one is...

So, just to make this a bit more interesting...

I am a neutral, neutral/good to be precise, which basically makes me a townie that doesn't get the win if I die and town still wins, which sucks to be honest...

Thus, if split's claim is correct we have two neutrals left, possibly two scum and that means three townies.

We have to be very careful now. If we lynch a townie, there'll be only one left by tomorrow and even if we lynch one scum then the other will kill the remaining townie and win.
If we lynch a neutral, there'll be two townies left tomorrow, then the only chance of the town is to lynch one scum that day, and going into the last day with 1 townie, 1 neutral and 1 scum. Not favorable I'd say.


The only real way to go right now is to lynch scum, two consecutive nights and thus, end this game with a town win, so, focus...

ALso, where is Secura? She has been on but has said nothing today as of yet.

unvote, vote: Secura

[Visor]

Hmm. I'm inclined to think that Secura is G/G. Pressure voting now is a bit.... not good. :P

I suggest, you post you think is scum out of the remaining players, or at least your suspicions of them.

[TheLastDays]

What makes you sure Secura isn't?

My highest suspect at the moment is Believer, bussing his scum partner ch...

unvote, vote: Believer

[Visor]

That's better.


What makes you sure Secura isn't?

Well she's something/good. IMO, if she isn't lying about her flourish being keeping 5 G/G players alive, then (was it 5?) then most likely she is G/G herself.

Actually, how many G/G have we found so far?

[Secura]

Also, where is Secura? She has been on but has said nothing today as of yet.

I've been at work since 8am BST, treacle; I'll post something much more comprehensive on my lunch break. :3

[Diamondeye]

Rebecca Black

And slandering Rebecca Black is WoG-punishable :stare: :laugh4:

:stare:


...what??

Uhm, "She was of good popularity and of good favor with the DJ.". Better? :tongue: :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh Askthenyaguy, you were too good for this world. And your gender was so ambiguous.

[Splitpersonality]

:stare:

No slander meant, they just happen to be two young mixed gender musicians who people seem to be harping on nowadays :laugh4:

[Renata]

I'm too tired to contribute. :(

[TheLastDays]

I'm sick so my mind is working strange right now... I am trying to create the backstorry for a Forum RPG I'm starting and whenever I want to start to write it down my mind goes "Nahhhh can't do right now" ^^

Same goes for here, I can only say I think Believer is one of them...

[Renata]

Gotta be dinner time by now, Secura.

[Secura]

Night 4: Split - female
Night 5: Believer - female

I've been waiting to hear from you for these results, though I didn't expect you to post them in-thread; I'm glad that you scanned split, it lends some credence to his Britney claim and means we can look elsewhere for the time being.


Three known females: Believer, Split and myself.

And I think it's time to get a clear claim from you.

I agree; the writeups seem to suggest that one of the killers may be female, so it'd be nice to see a claim from Believer so we can round out the known female roles.


...what??

Yeah, I have to admit I had Enya pegged down as Neutral/Good myself; I don't know of anyone who's ever rated her highly outside of the people doing so in this thread. :/


I'm not scum and I dislike that some of you are after me constantly. Just take a step back and think for a second, if Believer isn't scum who is?

I don't think you warrant my vote just yet, particularly as there's already a large bandwagon against you and we need an alternative, but I would love to hear the answer to this question from you.


If Belieber isn't scum

Is this a Freudian Slip? :inquisitive:


Also, where is Secura? She has been on but has said nothing today as of yet.

I'm unsure of your own timezone, but I'm based in the UK; after I cast my Blackadder vote at 10:29pm last night, I watched EE on iPlayer and then went to sleep as I had an early start the next morning. Work work work. :P


Pressure voting now is a bit.... not good. :P

This is one of the best things you've said yet.


Well she's something/good. IMO, if she isn't lying about her flourish being keeping 5 G/G players alive, then (was it 5?) then most likely she is G/G herself.

You remembered my flourish correctly! ^_^

The game has to end with five Good/Good players, myself included, alive and well... given the numbers and some of the claims we've had, I believe that I have already failed this, though I didn't have particularly high hopes anyway since it wasn't really something I could actively pursue and it relied mostly on luck.

As for my role... well, I won't reveal it outright, that's no fun, but I can make suggestions and see who picks up on it; I have an ex-wife called Eileen. Or was it Peg? :laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

Secura, I still think Believer deserves our vote... all he does is deferring from himself, asking open question, which seems like scummy behavior to me at this point of the game, he's gotta have some supsects, if he's town. Not making actual accusations makes it hard to be called out on something...

I have no prob, revealing my role since I have already revealed anything about her ;)
My flourish relied on luck too and my luck in that aspect ran out early... so with my vic condition being to stay alive and my secondary to get all baddies killed I am pretty much a messed up townie...

[Csargo]

Vote:CB

I still believe he's the best lynch and the scummiest of the people left. I continue to vote him because I have yet to see anything that makes me doubt my initial thoughts on him.

[TheLastDays]

I lean to CB as second on my list... in that case I guess the female killer would be Believer and CB is the guy using "horrible sound" - I'm still thinking David Hasselhoff xD

[Diamondeye]

Music Mafia
End of day six...

The remaining seven Artists seemed to have divided into two factions on the sixth day; a single outsider, Captain Blackadder, had pointed his finger at someone else, but otherwise all of them discussed whether it was him or the one known as Believer who was a scumbag. Blackadder himself insisted that Csargo was the guilty one, but the single accusation didn't concert Csargo. Indeed, perhaps it would have been wiser of Blackadder to have joined his voice to the rest of those who wanted Believer punished. But he didn't, and for that, at the end of the day, he was the one the tiny crowd came for.

His back was turned to the crowd as they approached him, fiddling with what looked like a mike set on his head. He might or might not have heard the mob approach, but he suddenly spun around, looked directly at them, and began singing.

It was the worst sound they had ever heard. Several of the Artists fell screaming and in spasms to the floor. Blackadder laughed maniacally. "Welcome to my world, puny Artists! For too long have I listened to your horrid musings, been kept in the shadows of that laughable DJ, Diamondeye. Finally, my time has come! Now begins the reign of JB - It's Bieber time!"
http://i56.tinypic.com/9t1fed.jpg

A single Artist wrenched herself from the group of suffering Artists and with a howl like a wolf, she struck Blackadder right at the temple. His mike set flew away and he crashed to the floor, unconscious. The others slowly got up. There was no mercy or sadness, not even smiles, just raw determination as they threw him from the ledge and heard the thump as his body hit the floor far below them.

Captain Blackadder was Justin Bieber!
http://i56.tinypic.com/9t1fed.jpg
He was of bad popularity and of bad favor with the DJ!

Thus rid of the plotter behind the disaster, they went each to their own for the night, hoping the terror was over...

Tally:
Believer: 3 (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Romanic)
Captain Blackadder: 3 (Secura, Believer, Csargo)
Csargo: 1 (Captain Blackadder)

Players Alive (6):
TheLastDays
Romanic
Csargo
Secura
Spl1tPersonality
Believer

It is now night six!
Orders should be sent within the next roughly 24 hours!

[Splitpersonality]

I love you DE.

[Renata]

LOL.

[TheLastDays]

scum died - check
artist, whom I loathe, died - check

Good good, I am happy :D

So... I would strongly guess we see another greaceful assassin kill tonight... and then we'll just have to deal with that guy

[Diamondeye]

I love you DE.

:bow: Flattery is fine with me :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Time for Broccoli Spears to die.

[TheLastDays]

Time for Broccoli Spears to die.

Agreed.

[Splitpersonality]

Why me? Why not that other neutral that we have?

[TheLastDays]

Oh man I mixed things up.. I actually think it's Believer

[Captain Blackadder]

Damn it I was thinking of getting up early to change my vote but I didn't damn you all.

[Csargo]

Time for Broccoli Spears to die.

What's the case on split?

[Believer]

Oh man I mixed things up.. I actually think it's Believer

Wait, you still think it's me?

[Seon]

JUSTIN BIEBER IS DEAD! YEEEES!!! :laugh:

And I totally called it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why me? Why not that other neutral that we have?


Believer: 3 (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Romanic)
Captain Blackadder: 3 (Secura, Believer, Csargo)
Csargo: 1 (Captain Blackadder)

This would be why.


Actually, it looks like TheLastDays, the other claimed neutral, also missed the boat on this one.

Maybe I just have a deep, deep loathing for Britney Spears AKA BaldyGirl15

[TheLastDays]

It makes practically no sense to lynch a neutral now... after this night the town will be down to two, if then a neutral is lynched, the town will be down to one on the last day, with a neutral and one scum.

I "missed" the boat, because I thought and still think that Believer is guilty. Do you have a better case on someone else?

[Secura]

Secura, I still think Believer deserves our vote... all he does is deferring from himself, asking open question, which seems like scummy behavior to me at this point of the game, he's gotta have some supsects, if he's town. Not making actual accusations makes it hard to be called out on something...

Hmmm, deflecting attention towards Believer or merely pushing for his suspect's lynch?


Captain Blackadder was Justin Bieber!

Ha! I'm glad I wasn't swayed to vote for Believer... though I still wanna see a reveal, B!


So... I would strongly guess we see another greaceful assassin kill tonight... and then we'll just have to deal with that guy

This sort of thing comes across as trying too hard... :inquisitive:


Damn it I was thinking of getting up early to change my vote but I didn't damn you all.

U MAD? :laugh4:


And I totally called it.

We should defer to Seon's greater wisdom for the rest of the game. :bow:

Oh, and nobody guessed who I am? I'm sure you'll find out in the next day phase. :3

[TheLastDays]

This sort of thing comes across as trying too hard... :inquisitive:


Huh?

also


Damn it I was thinking of getting up early to change my vote but I didn't damn you all.

Looks to me like an attempt to lead us away from Believer, claiming that he wanted to vote for Believer but didn't get to it? Somehow I don't believe it. Also, never believe what dead scum tell you, right?


Wait, you still think it's me?

I do. If it's not you, who do you think it is?

I know I'm not scum, if we believe split's claim he's neutral too.

That means there is someone who's scum among the following people:

Secura
Believer
Csargo
Romanic

Well, suspects will be down to three, come day phase...

[Askthepizzaguy]

It makes practically no sense to lynch a neutral now... after this night the town will be down to two, if then a neutral is lynched, the town will be down to one on the last day, with a neutral and one scum.

I "missed" the boat, because I thought and still think that Believer is guilty. Do you have a better case on someone else?

Do you think Believer bussed BOTH his partners, including on a round where he could have easily not killed his own partner because it was just barely tied?

[TheLastDays]

Do you think Believer bussed BOTH his partners, including on a round where he could have easily not killed his own partner because it was just barely tied?

I do... it seems daring but I have no better suspects. What are the cases on Romanic, Csargo and Secura?

[TheLastDays]

Also, he would have died himself, had he moved his vote...

[Believer]

Ha! I'm glad I wasn't swayed to vote for Believer... though I still wanna see a reveal, B!

For you, anything. Let's wait until daytime though, don't you think?



Looks to me like an attempt to lead us away from Believer, claiming that he wanted to vote for Believer but didn't get to it? Somehow I don't believe it. Also, never believe what dead scum tell you, right?


At first I was mildly annoyed by your obsession with me. Then it became sort of funny in a way, I thought you were playing us for laughs. Now I'm inclined to believe all humanity is doomed.
For my own suspects, which you so kindly asked for, I have two.

Romanic
Splitpersonality

I believe neither one of them and Romanic the least.

[Secura]

Huh?

You're trying to hard to look like you're on the town's side, that's what I'm saying.


Looks to me like an attempt to lead us away from Believer, claiming that he wanted to vote for Believer but didn't get to it? Somehow I don't believe it. Also, never believe what dead scum tell you, right?

The reverse applies to you, though! Your post that I quoted looks as though you're leading us away from Blackadder and towards Believer!


What are the cases on Romanic, Csargo and Secura?

Are you for real? After everything I've posted, after all my votes... you're genuinely saying that I'm still a suspect? :inquisitive:


For you, anything. Let's wait until daytime though, don't you think?

No, we don't wait until the next day phase, because I might not be alive by then; I want to know now.


I believe neither one of them and Romanic the least.

Right, simple question; why don't you believe either of them? They've claimed roles, which is a darn sight more than yourself, TLD or Csargo.

[Visor]

Are you for real? After everything I've posted, after all my votes... you're genuinely saying that I'm still a suspect?

Unless you're proven innocent, we can only suspect. Therefore you are a suspect however likely/unlikely.

[Secura]

Unless you're proven innocent, we can only suspect. Therefore you are a suspect however likely/unlikely.

The fact that I lynched classical_hero and Captain Blackadder counts for nothing, right? :P

[Visor]

Nope. Counts for absolutely nothing. :P

You could be bussing.

[Believer]

Oh I'm so weak for the ladies..

I'm Shakira. I am Neutral/Good.

My main objective is to survive until the end of the game. My secondary goal is to eliminate the mafia faction. My flourish is to be the last female alive.
If you have any further questions, ask.

[TheLastDays]

You're trying to hard to look like you're on the town's side, that's what I'm saying.

If you say so..


The reverse applies to you, though! Your post that I quoted looks as though you're leading us away from Blackadder and towards Believer!

Fair enough, I still think Believer's guilty, that's why I made that post. CB made the post I quoted after he died and it looks like a distraction tactic to me


Are you for real? After everything I've posted, after all my votes... you're genuinely saying that I'm still a suspect? :inquisitive:

I don't think you're guilty but one of these people has to be. If ATPG thinks it's too far fetched to believe that Believer bussed both his partners I want to see cases on who he thinks is guilty.


Right, simple question; why don't you believe either of them? They've claimed roles, which is a darn sight more than yourself, TLD or Csargo.

I have revealed as much as you have, stating everything, from my alignments to my goals, all I have kept back is my role and you have done the same so far, but there you have it: I am Dido Armstrong.

I want to see a role reveal from you now...

[Secura]

You could be bussing.

I think you need to re-read my votes for those two lynches, then.

[Splitpersonality]

I'm Shakira. I am Neutral/Good.

My main objective is to survive until the end of the game. My secondary goal is to eliminate the mafia faction. My flourish is to be the last female alive.
If you have any further questions, ask.

So we now have three neutral/good female characters who have roleclaimed, two of them with the flourish to be the last female alive?

I'd say it was inherent to the role but my flourish is different.

Either you're lying about your flourish or your role.

[Visor]

Here my opinion on why you could be bussing:

Assuming you are scum and there are two more players, neutral or town, it doesn't matter.

Everyone questions each other. You point out that you voted for both scum players, along with some other crap. One of them at least believes you, or both do, and they vote for one another. Then, you win. It wouldn't be too hard to convince someone after bussing both your mafia partners. Risky strategy, but I'd bet you could do it.

[TheLastDays]

Didn't DE state something like the flourishes are unique? If that's the case something's wrong there.

btw, I haven't revelaed my flourish yet and it was to keep Eminem alive, I had abilities to check people at night whether they were Eminem and an ability that would make Eminem's goals mirror mine if used on him.

[Visor]

TLD, that sounds decent.

So Romanic, Believer and Csargo need to talk.

[Splitpersonality]

The Flourishes are different to each character, with no apparent pattern to them.

There.

edit:

I haven't revealed my flourish either.

[Secura]

My main objective is to survive until the end of the game. My secondary goal is to eliminate the mafia faction. My flourish is to be the last female alive.

Interesting; this is precisely the same flourish as Romanic.


I want to see a role reveal form you now...

I'm the most commercially successful songwriter ever and my popularity transcends even Michael Jackson's... and despite being such a cool musician, I'm completely vanilla; it's like being Commander Shepard in CoV all over again. >.<

[Splitpersonality]

Secura = Paul McCartney?

[Believer]

Interesting; this is precisely the same flourish as Romanic.



I'm the most commercially successful songwriter ever and my popularity transcends even Michael Jackson's... and despite being such a cool musician, I'm completely vanilla; it's like being Commander Shepard in CoV all over again. >.<

Bah. Being me I forgot my real flourish, copy-pasting from my Role PM now.

"Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive to the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive."

[TheLastDays]

Ok, so far we have:

TLD:
claimed role: Dido Armstrong
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: Eminem survives

Secura
claimed role: -
good/neuitral? (hope I remember correctly)
Vic: all baddies killed
sec: stay alive
flourish: 5 g/g players survive

split:
claimed role: Brtney Spears
neutral/good (?)
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: ?

Romanic
claimed role: -
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: only female remaining

Believer:
claimed role: Shakira
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: All baddies killed
flourish: only female remaining

Csargo:
? have we heard anything from him?

Please correct me if I made mistakes...

[Secura]

Risky strategy, but I'd bet you could do it.

You think too much of me in that respect.


So Romanic, Believer and Csargo need to talk.

Romanic's told us pretty much everything about his role already, including all his night results.

Believer's revealed a bit but it's contradictory with the rules.

Csargo hasn't revealed anything, but looks more town than anyone due to the fact his suspicion and votes against Blackadder remained consistent from round-to-round... you can't really call that bussing. :P

[Splitpersonality]

Bah. Being me I forgot my real flourish, copy-pasting from my Role PM now.

"Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive to the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive."


Fristly, quoting PM's is not allowed as per DE's rules :wink:

Secondly, that is my flourish :laugh4:

[Visor]

I can't remember who's alive. :embarassed:


You think too much of me in that respect.
I'd do it. And everyone here is a better player than me, so I bet they could pull it off easier and more sucessful than I could. From what I have seen, you most definitely could do it.

[Believer]

Fristly, quoting PM's is not allowed as per DE's rules :wink:

Secondly, that is my flourish :laugh4:

Then so be it.
I can't take this all the fudging time. Whatever I give you, you find something wrong with it or demand more. I can't give it to you. This is all that I am. Let DE WoG me if I've broken his rules. I'm too tired to care at this time.

Also, if you are for realz with the flourish thing, you need to die because you are a liar.

[TheLastDays]

Revised List:

TLD:
claimed role: Dido Armstrong
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: Eminem survives

Secura
claimed role: Paul McCartney?
good/neutral? (hope I remember correctly)
Vic: all baddies killed
sec: stay alive
flourish: 5 g/g players survive

split:
claimed role: Britney Spears
neutral/good (?)
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: only neutral/good remaining (claimed after Believer claimed it)

Romanic
claimed role: Mariah Carey
good/good
Vic: all baddies killed
Sec: survive?
flourish: only female remaining

Believer:
claimed role: Shakira
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: All baddies killed
flourish: first claim: only female remaining, second claim: only neutral/good remaining

Csargo:
? no claims thus far

Please correct me if I made mistakes...

Quoting PMs in the PUBLIC THREAD is not against the rules

[Splitpersonality]

Quoting PMs in the PUBLIC THREAD is not against the rules

My mistake then :bow:

On 6-12-11 at 16:04 EST I privately claimed my role to Secura, with flourish.

She should be able to back this up.

[Secura]

Secura = Paul McCartney?

That's Sir to you! :3


Bah. Being me I forgot my real flourish, copy-pasting from my Role PM now.

"Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive to the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive."

Isn't copy-pasting forbidden by the rules? That's the usual approach, otherwise everyone would have done it already. :P


Please correct me if I made mistakes...

TheLastDays:
Role: Dido Armstrong
Neutral Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: Survival
Secondary: All Bad Popularity roles die
Flourish: Eminem survives

Secura
Role: - Paul McCartney
Good Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: All Bad Popularity roles die
Secondary: Survival
Flourish: Five Good/Good roles, including myself, survive the game

split:
Role: Britney Spears
Neutral Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: Survival
Secondary: All Bad Popularity roles die
Flourish: Only surviving Neutral/Good

Romanic
Role: Mariah Carey
Good Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: All Bad Popularity roles die
Secondary: Survival
Flourish: Only surviving female

Believer:
Role: Shakira
Neutral Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: Survival
Secondary: All Bad Popularity roles die
Flourish: Only surviving Neutral/Good

Csargo:
Role: -unknown-
-unknown- Popularity - -unknown- Favour
Victory: -unknown-
Secondary: -unknown-
flourish: -unknown-

[Secura]

On 6-12-11 at 16:04 EST I privately claimed my role to Secura, with flourish.

She should be able to back this up.

I have that right here:

Mine is to ensure the death of all N/G characters. I don't really plan on going for it, but if it happens and I am the last surviving N/G character then I still get the victory.

I'd just be happy getting a freaking primary, let alone my flourish.

:bow:

[TheLastDays]

Thanks Secura, looks much better this way :sweatdrop:

So, if the two claiming town, Secura and Romanic, are honest, I guess that Csargo is town too... What your list doesn't include is, that Believer changed his call on what is his flourish and still ended up on a flourish first claimed by someone else (if what split says about privately claiming it to you is correct)

After all this, everything still points to the guy who has been my suspect all along or does anyone disagree?

[Secura]

I've divided everyone up into their respective alignment categories, based on reveals upon death and claims in thread.

Good/Good
johnhughthom - Mark Knopfler
Renata - Michael Jackson
Romanic - Mariah Carey
Askthepizzaguy - Enya
Secura - Paul McCartney
Seon - Bob Dylan

Good/Neutral
B Ray - Tupac Shakur
Chaotix - Eric Clapton

Good/Bad
Visorslash - Thom Yorke

Neutral/Good
TheLastDays - Dido Armstrong
Spl1tPersonality - Britney Spears
Khazaar - Lady Gaga
Believer - Shakira

Neutral/Neutral
Autolycus - Eminem

Neutral/Bad
robbiecon - Kanye West

Bad/Bad
classical_hero - Phil Collins
Captain Blackadder - Justin Bieber

-unknown-
Csargo

Looking at how many Good/Good roles there were... bit of a harsh flourish, DE! :<

Romanic should scan Csargo, btw.

[Believer]

Thanks Secura, looks much better this way :sweatdrop:

So, if the two claiming town, Secura and Romanic, are honest, I guess that Csargo is town too... What your list doesn't include is, that Believer changed his call on what is his flourish and still ended up on a flourish first claimed by someone else (if what split says about privately claiming it to you is correct)

After all this, everything still points to the guy who has been my suspect all along or does anyone disagree?

Just kill me tonight and it's all over. Or you can wait until the lynch to see how awfully wrong you've been the past.. Week? or so.

[TheLastDays]

I think all the flourishes were rather hard to achieve...

[Splitpersonality]

Just kill me tonight and it's all over. Or you can wait until the lynch to see how awfully wrong you've been the past.. Week? or so.

Better yet I could investigate you tonight and see what your popularity is :wink:

Or rather, I could finish my investigation on you.

[classical_hero]

I was Bad/Neutral, Secura.

[Csargo]

I've divided everyone up into their respective alignment categories, based on reveals upon death and claims in thread.

Good/Good
johnhughthom - Mark Knopfler
Renata - Michael Jackson
Romanic - Mariah Carey
Askthepizzaguy - Enya
Secura - Paul McCartney
Seon - Bob Dylan

Good/Neutral
B Ray - Tupac Shakur
Chaotix - Eric Clapton

Good/Bad
Visorslash - Thom Yorke

Neutral/Good
TheLastDays - Dido Armstrong
Spl1tPersonality - Britney Spears
Khazaar - Lady Gaga
Believer - Shakira

Neutral/Neutral
Autolycus - Eminem

Neutral/Bad
robbiecon - Kanye West

Bad/Bad
classical_hero - Phil Collins
Captain Blackadder - Justin Bieber

-unknown-
Csargo

Looking at how many Good/Good roles there were... bit of a harsh flourish, DE! :<

Romanic should scan Csargo, btw.

I'm a man.

[Secura]

Better yet I could investigate you tonight and see what your popularity is :wink:

Or rather, I could finish my investigation on you.

Wait... when did you mention that you were a Popularity scanner?

[Csargo]

Also, Good/Neutral

[TheLastDays]

Wait... when did you mention that you were a Popularity scanner?

Exactly my thouhgts when I read that post...

[Splitpersonality]

Wait... when did you mention that you were a Popularity scanner?

Thusfar I haven't, but now seems good a time as any, no?

[Secura]

Thusfar I haven't, but now seems good a time as any, no?

Where's your results, then? What did you mean "finish my investigation"? :inquisitive:

[Splitpersonality]

The ability requires that I investigate a person two times to get the result.

As of right now I have no results, but I have one investigation on Romanic, Secura, and Believer.

[Diamondeye]

Oh I'm so weak for the ladies..

You have your host's empathy (and identification :wink:)


Didn't DE state something like the flourishes are unique? If that's the case something's wrong there.

I actually phrased it to avoit the word "unique". They are different and without pattern. It is possible for two characters to have the same flourish, but there would be no stone-set pattern like the Secondary Goals. I hope this isn't too misleading. And it's all hypothetical, of course, I can't confirm or deny any claims in thread before the end of the game.

[TheLastDays]

Thanks for the clarification DE... so in fact Believer and split could both have the same flourish...

Still I don't doubt Secura and Romanic that much and it doesn't really make sense to start another investigation... I think you should finish Believer tonight, split...

[Splitpersonality]

Thanks for the clarification DE... so in fact Believer and split could both have the same flourish...

Still I don't doubt Secura and Romanic that much and it doesn't really make sense to start another investigation... I think you should finish Believer tonight, split...


I was unaware that we could have the same flourish, thank you for the clarification DE :bow:

I don't doubt them either, but I'm not sure...

[Romanic]

That's a lot of neutral female claims. The current numbers are:

10 Good
6 Neutral
2 Bad

Either one good or one neutral is lying about his claim, so we'd have 10-5-3 or 9-6-3. Personally I think five neutrals is a lot, let alone six, so I doubt the Good claims are false.

Also it makes sense for a woman to be the graceful killer, which is also pointing toward the neutral females (or me I guess).

[Diamondeye]

Music Mafia
End of Night Six...

Secura was mumbling to himself as he was returning to his room after the recent voting. Hiding in the shadows ahead of him was a concealed, slim figure. As he passed it by, he hummed to himself "but another lonely night, might take forever... Hmm hmm..."
The figure stepped out right behind him, silent and graceful. "If you feel that way, then..!", and it brought a piece of cloth around his neck and began strangling him. Secura struggled against the attacker, first violently, then more and more passively until, at last, he collapsed lifelessly onto the floor.

Secura was Sir Paul McCartney
http://i53.tinypic.com/29w6bzd.jpg
He was of good popularity and of good favor with the DJ!

Players Alive(5):
TheLastDays
Romanic
Csargo
Spl1tPersonality
Believer

It is now day seven!
Night falls in roughly 24 hours, at 10 PM CEST!

[Renata]

Hey Secura, you got yourself killed! :)

[Secura]

Hey Secura, you got yourself killed! :)

T'was inevitable, I'm only surprised that I survived this long. :3

[Renata]

Believer: 3 (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Romanic)
Captain Blackadder: 3 (Secura, Believer, Csargo)
Csargo: 1 (Captain Blackadder)

No-bus/easy-bus options for mafia: Romanic, split, TLD
Would have to agree on cross-bus, do the circumstances fit?: Believer, Csargo

3 Spl1tp3r50nal1ty (AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
1 Believer (Robbiecon)
6 Classical_Hero (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Renata, Secura, Romanic, Believer)

No-bus/ easy-bus options for mafia: Believer (lynch already accomplished), split (no reasonable expectation that the bandwagon on him would fail)
“I mean it” bus: Romanic
Not sure, need to look at circumstances again: TLD

Note on split: in his vote on CH here, he calls CH “scum” – any indication of any previous leanings in that direction?

Visorslash: 3 (Romanic, Classical_Hero, Believer)
Robbiecon: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Classical_Hero: 2 (AskThePizzaGuy, TheLastDays)
Csargo: 2 (Visorslash, Robbiecon)
Chaotix: 1 (Spl1tp3r50nal1ty)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (Csargo)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (Captain Blackadder)

TLD could have gotten CH lynched easily. I have a paranoid feeling that CH’s lynch was not entirely a bad thing for the mafia, but TLD is honestly not pinging me overall. He’s playing much looser than he did the two recent times he was mafia.

Believer, on the other hand, is not his usual self; and his vote made CH safe. Split’s vote was safe. Romanic’s stunk. Timing of Csargo’s needs to be checked.

Autolycus: 3 (Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, AskThePizzaGuy, Classical_Hero)
Secora: 2 (Robbiecon, Autolycus)
Visorslash: 2 (Csargo, B_ray)
Believer: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Renata: 1 (Believer)

No known or prospective mafia in trouble until late (Secura’s vote on Believer). CH’s vote on Autolycus saves Believer from danger. Csargo votes Visor, split votes Auto, both early. Believer votes me as the last (counted) vote of the day. Nothing from TLD or Romanic?

Visorslash: 4 (Seon, Renata, Khazaar, johnhughthom)
johnhughthom: 4 (Secura, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, TheLastDays, AskThePizzaGuy)
Khazaar: 2 (B_ray, Romanic)
B_Ray: 2 (Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (Autolycus)
Robbiecon: 1 (Csargo)
TheLastDays: 1 (Visorslash)
Autolycus: 1 (Believer)

No mafia on the radar here anywhere. Split and TLD vote JHT, Romanic votes Khazaar, Csargo votes robbiecon, Believer votes Autolycus.

Summary – Believer has the most connections to CH, but yesterday’s bandwagon on CB needs to be looked at, as well as his first day four vote on classical hero being considered. Split is by far the easiest to fit into a scenario where nobody actually put another mafia in serious danger.

No comments on the other three for now.

[TheLastDays]

I want to hear split's scanner results...

Also how could I have easily gotten CH lynched that day? I really tried but the trap-wagon on Visor couldn't really be stopped...

[Renata]

I mean that after I had added my vote, at one point it was tied 3-3, which could have ended badly for CH. (He could easily have been lynched.) You pointing out the wagon on Visorslash was at one point much bigger doesn't actually help your case. :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly didn't read the whole thing yesterday, but didn't believer vote for both scumbags and also state falsehoods twice for what his flourish was?

PIS plus lies = Then I saw his face, now I'm a Believer, not a trace of doubt in my mind, he's a scum.


Problem: He's active and he votes and he's voted for both scumbags and he's not dead. Why's that?

[Believer]

I honestly didn't read the whole thing yesterday, but didn't believer vote for both scumbags and also state falsehoods twice for what his flourish was?

PIS plus lies = Then I saw his face, now I'm a Believer, not a trace of doubt in my mind, he's a scum.


Problem: He's active and he votes and he's voted for both scumbags and he's not dead. Why's that?

Because I'm being such a good girl, honey.

Vote: Romanic

[Romanic]

Here's a list of claims again:

Good (2)
Csargo (unknown male) - Good Neutral
Romanic (Mariah Carey) - Good Good
---
Neutral (3)
Believer (Shakira) - Neutral Good
Split (Britney Spears) - Neutral Good
TheLastDays (Dido Armstrong) - Neutral Good

If we're working with the usual rules, and I think we are, then the mafia would win if Csargo (or myself) was lying about their alignment, because it would be 1 Town vs 1 Mafia, which is a winning situation for the mafia.

I'm ready to give Csargo a pass based on that, and also because I've scanned him as a male last night, since the last writeup shows a "slim figure" performing the kill - Again pointing to a woman.

Things that I'd like to hear about:

1) Split's scan result.
2) Csargo and Believer's abilities, if they have one?

This is possibly the last turn we have to lynch a mafia, or they can kill one Good player and win. Any information can help, and I'm particularly interested in Believer's ability, since he hasn't claimed one, and is under suspicion.

Also, Believer why are you voting for me?

[Believer]

2) Csargo and Believer's abilities, if they have one?


Also, Believer why are you voting for me?

I have a small chance of negating a night action upon myself, passive ability.

Because I think you're scum.

[Csargo]

I don't have a ability. I'd like to hear what split's results were.

Believer you aren't really helping yourself here.

[Romanic]

I have a small chance of negating a night action upon myself, passive ability.

Because I think you're scum.
Why do you think that I'm scum? What's your case?

Your ability looks out of place in this game. Looks like something that would fit into ATPG Mafia, 10% resistance hidden talent or something. :grin:

[Believer]

Why do you think that I'm scum? What's your case?

Your ability looks out of place in this game. Looks like something that would fit into ATPG Mafia, 10% resistance hidden talent or something. :grin:

You are too smart to be so zoned in on me for so many rounds. Not even you can honestly believe I would buss both my mafia buddies in my first game as scum. That's just too far.
I don't believe your scanning ability. I think you are hiding behind a bogus detective claim. I had revealed my gender earlier to other people which I know you also talk to. You are known to me as the statistical master and almighty knower of facts. It would be so easy for you to fake that claim. Give it up.

[Romanic]

You are too smart to be so zoned in on me for so many rounds. Not even you can honestly believe I would buss both my mafia buddies in my first game as scum. That's just too far.
I don't believe your scanning ability. I think you are hiding behind a bogus detective claim. I had revealed my gender earlier to other people which I know you also talk to. You are known to me as the statistical master and almighty knower of facts. It would be so easy for you to fake that claim. Give it up.

It this the part where I'm supposed to blush? :laugh4:

Sure I knew from Renata that you were female, and that's part of why I was scanning you as I thought my ability could go through cover roles, and that I could catch a scum if they had a cover role with a different gender. But there was no way for me to be sure that you were really female. What if you were lying, for any reason? I would be caught lying about my role. You talk like it's an easy thing to fake, when it's not really easy. I claimed on Day 3 to Renata, then to Secura, so I would be required to come up with scans every day.

Also, about bussing your two teammates on your first Scum game - I don't know that this is your first game as Scum. Perhaps here on the ORG, but you've been playing on other sites before coming here. Weren't you playing in that pevergreen game on some other site?

Thus I don't have any idea about your experience level, you're drawing conclusions for me on knowledge that I don't have. Afaik you could be addicted to bussing when Scum, or completely shy to vote your partner. How am I supposed to know?

[TheLastDays]

Well I for one believe that you could have done that, here's my reasoning (all with the hypothetical assumtpion that you're scum):

Both you and CB had 3 votes, yours was on CB, his was on Csargo. The only way to save CB would have been to lynch you, by either CB placing his vote on you or you moving your vote anywhere.
Well, you couldn't really move your vote, how would you have explained that? You would have gotten lynched and we would have seen your bad alignment and instantly everyone would have been all over CB because there was no reason whatsoever to move your vote, other than saving your scumpartner. Now this would have been a good tactic, if CB wasn't scum. But he was...
If CB had placed his vote on you he still had a great deal of suspicion on him. Csargo, Secura seemed to be 100% sure he had to die while I was the only one making such a strong case on you. Given my history of being new to the game and doing a stupid thing round 1 you two probably decided your survival chances were at least slightly higher so they decided to let you live and that could only be accomplished by you bussing your partner (again).

Now after that all you've been doing is defending, by saying people are stupid because they are so set on you and they should finally let go and you couldn't possibly lynch both your partners. I don't know you, so as far as I'm concerned you're capable of anything that the game mechanics allow. That goes for everyone.

On the other hand I find it highly improbable for Romanic to have faked this scan results. He has claimed them to Secura in private before any of thee people revealed their gender. Please correct me, if I'm wrong, Secura. Saying he made that all up in his mind by using statistics... now that is far fetched. 18 players in a game is not a big enough sample for statistics to be that accurate. Also, if Romanic was lying about his popularity there'd be one less good in the game. That would mean that 1) probably the Mafia had already won, although I think DE would still let the game run because of the three neutrals left that could make it swing any direction. But 2) it would mean there's A LOT of neutrals in comparison to town. I don't think that's the case, esp. if your only case on Romanic is the strange claim that he made up his scan results.
No, in fact I think you're going after him because, even though split or myself would, from voting history and such, be better suspects, a number of players have stated they don't find us suspicious while Romanic has at least drawn some suspicion over time. Going for who dreew the most suspicion is clear scum tactic, especially when that player isn't really a good target anymore, logically speaking.

Now that was all thoughts, what I'd like to see now are split's scanner results, because if Romanic is scum at least split's results should be honest ;)

And also, to everyone (even the dead still reading): Did your abilities correspond with a song by your role? My ability to convert Eminem was called "Take my Hand" - iirc the song they did together. It'd be interesting to see if DE did something similar with every role and then I'd like to hear what the song behind your night ability was, Believer.

So, I'm still waiting for some pieces of the puzzle to fall into place but for now I'll vote: Believer

[Askthepizzaguy]

I, for one, think Diamondeye is guilty even though he's the host, because he's always guilty. He's a vampire, and I can't believe you people can't see it.

[Secura]

Looks like I can squeeze in a post before I shower and head to work, but I may not be able to respond for some time after this.

Anyway, I'm going to go against form here and suggest that you lynch Romanic; forging results is not beyond the realms of possibility for someone with such a knack for statistics. Also, I really dislike how you're suddenly heaps more active now that myself, Renata and Pizza are all dead; where have you been for the rest of the game?


You are too smart to be so zoned in on me for so many rounds. Not even you can honestly believe I would buss both my mafia buddies in my first game as scum. That's just too far.

You'll note that I've suggested Romanic for the lynch rather than yourself, but I'd just like to say that if it does turn out that you're the remaining mafia, then using this as reasoning not to lynch you is really weak, dude; anything is possible on your first game as scum, I think I'm testament to that.


He has claimed them to Secura in private before any of thee people revealed their gender. Please correct me, if I'm wrong, Secura.

I am dead, so I can neither confirm nor deny anything that has been said to me privately.

[TheLastDays]

I am dead, so I can neither confirm nor deny anything that has been said to me privately.

Oh ok, I wasn't aware of that rule but fair enough

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can confirm that being dead is smashing. There's a bright light in front of me, and all around is dark. I'm not wearing any clothing, and I can see all my friends from the .org. There's a keyboard, and a mouse.... oh wait I'm still in my room.

[Secura]

Anyway, I'm going to go against form here and suggest that you lynch Romanic; forging results is not beyond the realms of possibility for someone with such a knack for statistics. Also, I really dislike how you're suddenly heaps more active now that myself, Renata and Pizza are all dead; where have you been for the rest of the game?

I should elaborate; while it would be difficult to forge a result against Renata when there's no suggestion of her role in-thread, it's possible that this was more a case of a silver tongue and a stroke of luck or something... perhaps Romanic coaxed the information out of her in private, who can say? However, it'd be easy to reveal c_h's gender if he was on your side, and there were in-thread claims for Pizza/split, unsure about Believer.

Truth be told, I'm just looking at a contingency plan, an alternative to Believer's probable four vote wagon; in the event that he is innocent, you've basically created a bandwagon for the scummer to hide in and it's curtains.

[Believer]

Csargo, Secura seemed to be 100% sure he had to die while I was the only one making such a strong case on you.

The case on me has never been strong, that is more or less proven given all the strong names only giving me a round or so of suspicioun. You and Romanic are the only ones who are completely blind to any other suspect and will suffer the consequences.

On another note, if I was scum wouldn't I kill atleast 1 of the people who's been on my tail for like a week now? No one would think it wierd if TLD or Romanic died at one point.
Also notice how all the big'uns who doesn't suspect me are dead, Renata, ATPG and Secura. Please tell me how any of this makes sense and I might not switch my vote to you.

[TheLastDays]

You can put your vote anywhere you want and if you're town and think that I am guilty, it's good if you vote for me. And I am not dead set on you yet.

Also sorry for the mixed up words, what I was trying to say is, I was the only one going strong after you I wasn't necessarily referring to the "quality" of my case against you.

But instead of only threatening me, GIVE me an alternative because whatever you or anyone might think, I know I'm not the Mafia so I need a place to put my vote. I find it highly improbable that there's so many neutrals in this game and that Romanic has forged his results, being completely correct with every guess... because that is such an extremely risky thing and he did it early too, without much pressure on him. Just imagine one of his guesses turned out wrong, we all knew he was forging, why would he do that? Because he's scum... There's too much risk involved for too little gain to be doing such a thing, imo.

And the scum is not killing TLD because TLD is a neutral and scums don't have to kill neutrals to win this game, it's that simple...
Why Romanic's still alive... no idea, maybe another bold move, I really can't say at the moment, I still want to see split's results before I can make any clear decision

[Diamondeye]

I, for one, think Diamondeye is guilty even though he's the host, because he's always guilty. He's a vampire, and I can't believe you people can't see it.

Well there goes the fake ending :sad:

[TheLastDays]

unvote, vote: Diamondeye

[Diamondeye]

I, for one, think Diamondeye is guilty even though he's the host, because he's always guilty. He's a vampire, and I can't believe you people can't see it.


unvote, vote: Diamondeye

Go-Go case "Diamondeye is Rebecca Black"!

Seriously though, I'm not. So lay off :sweatdrop:

[TheLastDays]

Seriously though, I'm not. So lay off :sweatdrop:

Don't you have better arguments? This is clearly scum tactics!

[Secura]

Also notice how all the big'uns who doesn't suspect me are dead, Renata, ATPG and Secura.

Tsk, I don't qualify to eat at the same table as those two! :o

[Secura]

find it highly improbable that there's so many neutrals in this game and that Romanic has forged his results, being completely correct with every guess... because that is such an extremely risky thing and he did it early too, without much pressure on him. Just imagine one of his guesses turned out wrong, we all knew he was forging, why would he do that? Because he's scum... There's too much risk involved for too little gain to be doing such a thing, imo.

Unless this was the assumption that he was hoping for, removing the more experienced players because they would be more likely to pick up on it?


Why Romanic's still alive... no idea, maybe another bold move, I really can't say at the moment, I still want to see split's results before I can make any clear decision

Ask yourself this, then; why would the mafia kill me, Good/Good vanilla, when they could kill Romanic, supposed Good/Good scanner and actually a better player? Something to consider.

[TheLastDays]

It definitely is something to consider and I'm considering all the time here...

But IF Romanic is good/good the scanning ability is useless by now so there's no need to remove him because of that.

As for him being the better player I wouldn't sign that...

[Secura]

But IF Romanic is good/good the scanning ability is useless by now so there's no need to remove him because of that.

As for him being the better player I wouldn't sign that...

We're not removing him because his ability is supposedly useless, we're removing him because he's a potential mafioso; you believe that the results are unlikely to have faked, and that's a fair opinion to have... but then, what if he was a mafia scanner or something similar? We've seen such roles before, in Chaotix's Council of Villains game, with one mafia group scanning a member of the other on the first night.

So the question is, does his flourish to be the final surviving female really sound cohesive with a town victory? Heck, does it really sound like the sorta flourish a Good/Good character would have?

It was also stated earlier in the game (by Romanic himself!) that claiming Neutral Popularity would be the easier as scum; I concede that this is a valid point, but it also serves to deflect attention towards those claiming neutrality rather than anyone who claimed Good Pop, such as Romanic himself.

[TheLastDays]

That's all valid points and it'll all go into my consideration...

You misunderstood my point though:
You stated it's strange the Mafia eliminated you instead of him, since he's a scanner and a better player and thus more dangerous for the Mafia.

All I said his ability was of no danger for the Mafia anymore by last night and I wouldn't say he's a better player than you are, so there was no reason for the Mafia to rather remove him instead of you.

[TheLastDays]

What I really wanna say is, where are the others? I need to hear from Csargo and especially from split and his scanning results before making this important decision today...

[Secura]

All I said his ability was of no danger for the Mafia anymore by last night and I wouldn't say he's a better player than you are, so there was no reason for the Mafia to rather remove him instead of you.

I could list the miriad of reasons why Romanic is better, but I will keep it to one; he has a fantastic grasp of statistics (there's a reason he's a Senior Member after a year! :P) and seems to record the votes of every single player for every game that he plays (and beyond!), using this information to direct him towards specific targets and facilitate his arguments.

He hasn't really been doing that much in this game, and one has to ask why.


What I really wanna say is, where are the others? I need to hear from Csargo and especially from split and his scanning results before making this important decision today...

split isn't a scanner, I thought that was obvious; look at the context of the conversation during the night phase, look at the amount of attention I drew to myself (Renata picked up on it! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135582-Music-Mafia-In-Game&p=2053328850&viewfull=1#post2053328850)) and then ask yourself why split might lie about being a scanner at that stage...

[Renata]

Well I can't say anything about Romanic's access to data either, but relying on the truth of his scan results is not a good case for his innocence regardless, as there's no reason the mafia could not have a scanner themselves (perhaps to identify neutrals, for instance).

If it was up to me I'd probably lynch split today.

[TheLastDays]

He hasn't really been doing that much in this game, and one has to ask why.


Good idea, Romanic, why are you acting different this time?

See, that's exactly my problem, I don't know you guys, I wouldn't notice a change in Romanic's gameplay because I have never played with him before.

Also of course it's very much possible that split was lying, I'd still like to see what he has to say about it

hm hm hm...

ok, before anyone gets any ideas and counts my last vote as serious

unvote

so far we have:

Romanic: 1 (Believer)

that's it... ok, split seems like he hasn't been on so far but Romanic and Csargo both have posted in this thread, yet none of them voted: Why?

[TheLastDays]

Ok... guys, this is very little action for a day that could be the last day after all... I want to hear more from Chaotix, split and Romanic, hearing more from Believer won't be wrong either but I guess you might have said all you wanted to say and at least you have voted...

Also

vote: Romanic

[Csargo]

I'm still leaning more towards Believer as scum than anyone else. Romanic hasn't been particularly active until recently if my memory is correct. He's not a bad lynch either. I'm still not sure why people want to lynch split, I don't recall him doing anything that would make me want to lynch him now. I'd need to reread the thread to look and see. That leaves me and TLDs. I'm innocent and I'm pretty sure TLDs is as well. I'll vote:Believer for now in case I don't have a chance to go through everyone's posts again.

[Romanic]

Looks like I can squeeze in a post before I shower and head to work, but I may not be able to respond for some time after this.

Anyway, I'm going to go against form here and suggest that you lynch Romanic; forging results is not beyond the realms of possibility for someone with such a knack for statistics. Also, I really dislike how you're suddenly heaps more active now that myself, Renata and Pizza are all dead; where have you been for the rest of the game?
Afaik I've never faked scanner as a mafia before, and my maths skills have always been there. Why you're bringing this now, I don't know. A knack for statistics doesn't make me a good deceiver.

As for being more active than the rest of the game? Am I really? I don't think so. Look at the number of posts I have for each day, in this game, and you'll see that it's similar. I don't have much time to post, working a lot, and it's been like that all game. I guess that I'm guilty of having devoted more time to ATPG Mafia, but meh.

I'm heading back to work in less than one hour, after which I won't be able to post, so if you want to question me, shoot quickly.

[TheLastDays]

What I really want from you is a vote before you head back to work, Romanic.

You are aware that this could be the last day, right? That's not the time you want to be missing out.

[Renata]

About split --

Well how about coming up with a convenient investigator claim (with also conveniently and somewhat unbelievably) no results yet just when things are getting down to brass tacks? (Then not getting killed for it. Then not showing up to definitively clear or condemn either Believer or Romanic today.) How about being, of all of you, the one with the weakest voting record against (or from) known scum? How about the one time he did vote for scum (classical hero, when he himself was greatly in the lead to be lynched and would have every motive for a bit of creative distancing) he actually *called* CH scum, despite never having expressed any suspicion of him previously? How about Britney Spears being arguable as bad popularity and fitting the description shown to boot?

None of that resonates?

[Romanic]

As for Split not being a scanner? Bah.

He's neutral - claiming scanner would threaten his life, if the mafia decides he's too dangerous to be left alive. If the mafia was one of Csargo, Believer or Romanic, they might have killed him for it. Why would he do that? On Secura's request?

So what's his real ability? What has he been doing all this time? It's something we should know, but there's hardly time (for me at least).

I've been waiting for Split's result to vote, but now that there's none coming...

vote: Believer

[Romanic]

Where did Split call CH Scum?

[TheLastDays]

About split --

Well how about coming up with a convenient investigator claim (with also conveniently and somewhat unbelievably) no results yet just when things are getting down to brass tacks? (Then not getting killed for it. Then not showing up to definitively clear or condemn either Believer or Romanic today.) How about being, of all of you, the one with the weakest voting record against (or from) known scum? How about the one time he did vote for scum (classical hero, when he himself was greatly in the lead to be lynched and would have every motive for a bit of creative distancing) he actually *called* CH scum, despite never having expressed any suspicion of him previously? How about Britney Spears being arguable as bad popularity and fitting the description shown to boot?

None of that resonates?

It does, still there's at least as strong a case on Believer.

He can be accused of wagoning Visor, he could well have bussed both his partners, he has only deferred from himself until very recently when he, after a lot of pressure to finally name a suspect instead of just saying "Who else could it be, other than me?", produced a rather weak case against Romanic.

And there's another good reason to vote Believer over Romanic...

Of course you could argue against any of these points and against all others that can be brought forth against Believer but you could also say splits scanner claim was to save Renata (Why would scum do that?) or is for real and something RL has gotten in his way today...

I'll go with vote: Split right now - I wanna hear from Britney

[Secura]

split needs to explain the reason behind his false claim, because I'm dead and cannot do so. :yes:


On Secura's request?

I'd never ask anyone to lose the game on my behalf. :3


I'll go with vote: Split right now - I wanna hear from Britney

This doesn't count, you haven't unvoted.

[Romanic]

Where did Split call CH Scum?

Nevermind, it's here:

My VC as a Neutral is to survive. Nothing more, nothing less, this is my primary goal.

Vote: Classical_hero, scum.
I'm not convinced it means anything Renata.

[TheLastDays]

split needs to explain the reason behind his false claim, because I'm dead and cannot do so. :yes:

this actually says enough to tell us it has something to do with a private discussion between the two of you...


I'd never ask anyone to lose the game on my behalf. :3

And this could mean that he offered to do it without being asked...


This doesn't count, you haven't unvoted.

You're right, I mixed something up, unvote, vote: split

[Splitpersonality]

Okay, so I did falsely claim investigator. I cannot investigate, and have no results. I was prepared to, if last night had gone according to plan or if I had been questioned, claim further, but it doesn't look like that will have any use.


I was hoping by doing such I could lure the mafia into killing me last night, sparing Secura. This is what I told her in private, and it is the truth.

I'd rather lose my VC as a neutral to ensure a town victory and if that's wrong then lynch me.

If not then we can get down to finding the real scum.

[TheLastDays]

If it's true than it's not wrong at all, the problem is that it could well be fake...

Why do you think it didn't work? Why did the remaining scum risk leaving a poularity scanner in the game?

[Splitpersonality]

The timing of the claim, coupled with my general lack of power roles in the past.

Perhaps also there was the "If we kill split everyone will think it's believer" way of framing believer was a bad idea.

I mean, had I died last night, your suspects would be romanic and believer, the other two I said I had scanned once. Perhaps we find the guilty party there.


Or perhaps there knew we'd think that and were planning for it

Maybe they even just sent in orders early and couldn't/didn't change :shrug:

[TheLastDays]

It's all possible... of course it's also possible that you've lied and the reason you didn't get killed was because you actually are scum...

hmmm

anyway unvote, vote: Romanic

[TheLastDays]

Romanic: 2 (TLD, Believer)
Believer: 2 (Romanic, Csargo)

[Romanic]

Split has been open in this game, while Believer almost had to be coerced to make claims. Believer also never gave a reason for his votes, changed his flourish, soft-claimed The Killers when he's really a woman and has a suspicious low resistance ability. That's enough for me.

I'm off to work, and my vote stays on Believer.

[Secura]

The main problem that you have now is that there's probably only one Good Popularity role left, and the mafia will be gunning for them tonight; not a bad thing if you're Neutral, since you'll still fulfill your VC, but it sucks to throw this much effort into something and come out with nothing as a townie. :/

[Splitpersonality]

I am afraid to vote.

I do not know which is scum and I am afraid to make the wrong choice...

[TheLastDays]

The main problem that you have now is that there's probably only one Good Popularity role left, and the mafia will be gunning for them tonight; not a bad thing if you're Neutral, since you'll still fulfill your VC, but it sucks to throw this much effort into something and come out with nothing as a townie. :/


Why do you now think there's only one townie left?
If that's true either Romanic or Csargo are guilty...

[Csargo]

split is looking like a better lynch with every post. Was ATPG right all along?!?! unvote:, Vote:split

[Askthepizzaguy]

Given my track record this game, I'd be surprised.

[TheLastDays]

Ok let's have a look at my options right now...

Let's face it it could be anyone...
At the moment only Romanic and Believer have pressure:

Ok:

Romanic dies and was scum: GREAT, game over, vic: check, sec: check, town won!
Romanic dies and was town: Csargo was scum and the game's over, vic: check, sec: nope, MAFIA won! OR split or Believer were scum, kill Csargo during the night, the game's over, vic: check, sec: nope, MAFIA won!

Believer dies and was scum: GREAT, game over, vic: check, sec: check, town won!
Believer dies and was neutral: there's now four players left: Let's look at this a little more closely:

It's actually Csargo or Romanic: Csargo nightkills Romanic or vice versa, the game's over, vic: check, sec: nope, MAFIA won!
It's actually split: he kills one of the townies and there's me, him and the other townie left for the final day. He'll probably get killed that day as he'll have a hard time convincing the townie that I'm guilty. I know it's split because we all know it can't be the one claiming townie and I know I'm not scum so this scenario leads to a very probable town win!
It's actually me: HARHAR! ... but it's not me :yes:

No matter which scenario we take I will in all probability complete my victory condition, except when in that last scenario split decides he has no chance at winning this and nightkills me just for the giggles...

So maybe I should vote Romanic... but I really think it's Believer... I have nothing else than to go with my best suspicion, if I'm wrong than it's my bad but I really tried...

unvote, vote: Believer

Oh yeah, if it's actually Csargo or split: Well played, esp if it's Csargo!

[TheLastDays]

Oh Man, crossposted (yes it actually took me that long to get that last post out ^^)
There you go Csargo, ripping all my calculations apart, current tally:

Believer: 2 (Romanic, TLD)
split: 1 (Csargo)
Romanic: 1 (Believer)

[TheLastDays]

Given that this is very probably the last day and even if there's another one it'll be clear for whom to vote this all feels very anticlimactic... no vote from split, almost nothing is being said...

Csargo, why the sudden vote change to split? Why is he a better suspect than split now?

[Csargo]

His investigator shenanigans, plus his last two posts. His "I'm afraid to vote one" seems fake.

[TheLastDays]

unvote, vote: Csargo

I know it's a little late for that but still... will a tie on the last day be decided by coin toss?

[TheLastDays]

I relly don't get the vote change onto split, there simply wasn't enough time... all it did was to put Romanic in the lead...

[TheLastDays]

I'm goint to hate myself for this:

unvote, vote: Believer

[Csargo]

I relly don't get the vote change onto split, there simply wasn't enough time... all it did was to put Romanic in the lead...

split took top spot on my scummy list.

Why would I change votes when the vote was tied and neither of the people up for lynch was me? If I was scum I would have left it the way it was, instead of drawing unnecessary attention to myself.

[TheLastDays]

Yea that's also the reasoning playing in my mind when I changed back to Believer... also if I lose I want to lose to a player not to a coin toss ;)

still, your vote change was utterly meaningless at that point so I still don't get it...

[Secura]

If I was scum I would have left it the way it was, instead of drawing unnecessary attention to myself.

Unless it was at a point where it didn't matter, such as if you were going to kill the last townie tonight. :laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

well since we have role reveals upon death there won't be another night, will there?

[Splitpersonality]

Perhaps you shifted the attention to yourself just so you could say just that :wink:

I'm sorry I seem scummy, but I'm not. I am just honestly scared of guessing wrong in my first game back.

And because I feel like I did a sub-par job in said time back :sad:

[TheLastDays]

Ah well it's over anyway... DE get here and tell us our fate! :D

[Secura]

And because I feel like I did a sub-par job in said time back :sad:

It was my first game back after a while too, didn't do too well myself either; I was accusing a Neutral/Bad for most of the game, remember? :laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

I demand a writeup! :D

[Diamondeye]

Music Mafia
The end of Day 7...!

By now, there was only a small handful of Artists left. They were exhausted, happy to have survived their encounter with the terrible menace that had been Justin Bieber, yet strangely aware that there was still danger out there; Perhaps the nightly killings' continuity had given it away. Anyway, they decided to maintain their lynch voting despite their abysmal numbers, and at the end of the day, the one known as Believer was the only one with two votes against her. She leaned against a wall, glaring provokingly at the couple who had been voting for her. "You're sure about this?" She said, throwing around her beautiful long locks. Her charms were completely lost on the two women who had been voting for her. "Well in that case," she said, "don't bother, I'll be fine."

And like that she was down on all four, pounding towards her accusers who seemed caught unawares. But at the last moment, they managed to throw themselves to the ground. Believer flew overhead and over the edge, down down down towards the floor, as her aggressive graimce quickly became one of terror. "No! No! No!" Crunch.

The four remaining people looked at each other, and then nerveously went each to their own for the night.

Believer was Shakira!
https://i52.tinypic.com/20537yw.jpg
She was of neutral popularity and of good favor with the DJ!

Tally:
Believer: 2 (TheLastDays, Romanic)
Romanic: 1 (Believer)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (Csargo)

Players Alive (4):
TheLastDays
Romanic
Csargo
Spl1tPersonality

It is now night seven!
Orders deadline in roughly 20 hours!
Apologies for the delayed writeup :bow: Voting past 10 PM CEST has not been counted (if there was any).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Players Alive:
Spl1tPersonality

:no:

[Believer]

I told you, but you wouldn't listen.

[Csargo]

I told you, but you wouldn't listen.

I believered you!

Sorry that was terrible.

[Believer]

I believered you!

Sorry that was terrible.

Not enough to vote off the scum and save me at the same time.

[Csargo]

Not enough to vote off the scum and save me at the same time.

But, but I'm only one man!

[Romanic]

When I left I was certain that you were going to lynch me, but you didn't. :sweatdrop:

But bleh, this isn't much better. We're probably gonna lose tonight unless someone has a hidden card.

[Believer]

When I left I was certain that you were going to lynch me, but you didn't. :sweatdrop:

But bleh, this isn't much better. We're probably gonna lose tonight unless someone has a hidden card.

Well played, you deserve the win. :)
Just remember that I was on all of you. There will be revenge.

[Romanic]

Well played, you deserve the win. :)
Just remember that I was on all of you. There will be revenge.

Hey, leave me alone, it's not me! It's Split or TLD.

[TheLastDays]

It's not me... I don't believe it, it's a fake :P

NO, seriously, as I said, I gave it my best shot. I could have left it in the four way tie and say it's the random gods fault but that seemed kinda cheap to me...

[Believer]

It's not me... I don't believe it, it's a fake :P

NO, seriously, as I said, I gave it my best shot. I could have left it in the four way tie and say it's the random gods fault but that seemed kinda cheap to me...

The whole case on me before this day was that I voted too good. That was all.
I admit that I fudged up when I forgot my flourish but that's hardly evidence enough to lynch someone this late in the game. Don't zone in on someone, investigate everyone.

[Secura]

I told you, but you wouldn't listen.

I was on your side, just as I'm on split's; if I've read you both right and tried my best to dissuade the town from lynching you, well that'll make up for not finding classical or Cap'n B myself. :3

[TheLastDays]

The whole case on me before this day was that I voted too good. That was all.
I admit that I fudged up when I forgot my flourish but that's hardly evidence enough to lynch someone this late in the game. Don't zone in on someone, investigate everyone.

I was honestly searching all I got last day phase of course it could be that subcinsciously I was biased towards you. I think what made the difference in the end was you jumping the Visorslash wagon back on day 3... In my eyes it was clear by that time that CH was scum and anyone who jumped that wagon with him was very suspicious too... Roanic was there too so he was a close second, but he actually voted Visor before CH did and you jumped that wagon very late that day...

The thing with the flourish didn't help either, that's correct...
Ah well, I might just not be a very good Mafia-player so if a game pivots around my vote it doesn't look good for whoever I'm playing for ^^

[Renata]

I told you, but you wouldn't listen.

I did.

[Secura]

classical_hero. Captain Blackadder. Csargo. C-C-Combo?

It'd be both humourous and impressive if Csargo turned out to be the final scummer; his pursuit of CB across several rounds was an inspired move, if that's the case.

[classical_hero]

I could not resist this.
1332

[Diamondeye]

Music Mafia
End of night seven...

Csargo was seated behind his old piano, his fingers dancing over the keys in a complicated and dazzlingly fast pattern. It was clear to any onlooker that this was clearly a master at work. He hummed along with the music, almost tryingly. It was thus seated that the assailant found him. Walking up behind him, she drawled. "Playing one last hymn, old man, before it's over?"
Either Csargo didn't hear, or he ignored her. She frowned and decided on a harsher insult, in a loud voice.
"Oh come on, I've made better music by tracing my nails down a blackboard. Do try!"
No reaction.
Finally, the assailant lost patience, went up behind him and strangled him in her clothstring. It seemed like a shock shook his body the moment she touched him, but he managed not a sound before his fragile windpipe had been crushed. The deaf pianist sunk to the floor, dead.

Csargo was Ludwig Van Beethoven!
http://i56.tinypic.com/24v2ogh.jpg
He was of good popularity and of neutral favor with the DJ!

As the piano fell silent, the assassin rose from the corpse of her latest victim. And heard the door slam. She spun around, but just in that moment, someone killed the lights. Everything went black, but Romanic could hear the breathing of two others from the door. One of them spoke, a female voice. "Nowhere to run now, killer. Stay here with me."
The other shadow spoke, also a woman. "Just the three of us. It'll be fun."

Romanic frowned for a moment. "You know what, I think it will! I mean, this ain't worth our lives, is it?"
The others seemed to ponder this for a moment. "Says you, the killer," one finally retorted.
"Come on, it was never my fault. It was Bieber and his stupid plan to take over the radio station. I just wanted more time on the 'waves, you can't honestly tell me you haven't had the same thoughts."
This time, the silence seemed to stick longer. Romanic added, "besides, this isn't worth your lives, is it?",which was a rather convincing argument.
"Wait," one of them said after almost too long. "How about Diamondeye? The DJ? I liked him, but you... You killed him!"
"I liked him too," Romanic replied, "and I didn't know about Bieber's plotting against him until it was too late, I swear."
"Well that doesn't bring him back to life, does it?"
A stunning light flooded the room. Someone had opened the cabinet.
"What's this about? Why are you three fighting?"
"It's- you're- DIAMONDEYE! You're alive!?"
Their DJ smiled at the three women. "Alive and well. Come here, my three darlings."
"Is everything going to be like it was now," one of them naively asked. The DJ shook his head.
"DJing is too dangerous for my taste. How would you ladies like to be by personal entertainers instead?"
The three women looked at each other, suddenly calm and... Happy?
"We'd love to!", they answered in a chorus.

Romanic smiled and wiped the sweat off her brow. It had been a close gamble, but now she had all the attention she wanted.

Mafia victory!
Congratulations to Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero, and especially Romanic!
And congratulations to the two surviving neutrals, TheLastDays and Spl1tp3r50nal1ty!

http://i54.tinypic.com/103gbxd.jpghttp://i54.tinypic.com/vfjams.jpghttps://i52.tinypic.com/30mv2if.jpg
And, if I may, congratulations to the DJ who slipped off with these three pretty princesses :wink:

1st Place: Romanic (Victory and Secondary Goal)
2nd Place: Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty and TheLastDays (Victory)

The Game has ended! You may now discuss the game freely and reveal information and quicktopic(s)!
Role PMs and host comments will come later!

[Splitpersonality]

I told you guys I was being honest :c

I only wish I had been attacked at night like I wanted.

My ability was a passive chance of killing any attacker, hence why I put myself on the line.

Sorry town :/

[autolycus]

So if as a Neutral-Neutral, I had an SK Secondary victory, what did Neutral-Bads have as a Secondary Victory. But yes, I was a Neutral Vig/SK, with a Secondary of being last man standing.

[Diamondeye]

So if as a Neutral-Neutral, I had an SK Secondary victory, what did Neutral-Bads have as a Secondary Victory. But yes, I was a Neutral Vig/SK, with a Secondary of being last man standing.

He had a secondary objective to see all "Good" favor artists dead, and had the Flourish of being last man standing. He also had a one-time kill ability but never got the chance to use it (gambling for Flourish would require him to keep it until the final round).

[Secura]

Hahahaha, I knew it. I'm glad that my reads on Romanic, split and Believer were fine even if I didn't pick up on classical/Cap'n B til the end of their 'lives'.


Sorry town :/

No need to be sorry, split; I continued to suggest Romanic for the lynch during that last phase and I was ignored in the end.

T'was an inspired move getting rid of me at that stage because, though I could fire off several reasons that Romanic might be scum, I had no way to enforce that perspective with my vote and had to rely solely on yourself, TheLastDays and Csargo following my lead.

Congratulations to the scummers, though I get the feeling that Romanic deserves most of that despite being a bit lurkier than usual; was that a planned thing or was it genuinely due to being busy away from the fora? Because you're usually a fair bit more active.

As for TLD, hopefully you've learned a little something from this game (in the very least, you 'get' people's playstyles a bit better now), and now you understand why I cite Romanic as being up there with the best. ^_^

[Askthepizzaguy]

Blasted neutrals. Oh how I wanted you dead! *shakes fist*

[TheLastDays]

'It would have made no difference ATPG and if it helps anything this feels more like a defeat to me than a win... heck it feels more like a defeat than my actual defeats as Mafia...

I sure will try to learn my lessons from this esp. because I did rather suspect split or Csargo than ROmanic during that last round... ah well, sorry guys

[Csargo]

I'd like to know what my ability was.

[Askthepizzaguy]

'It would have made no difference ATPG and if it helps anything this feels more like a defeat to me than a win... heck it feels more like a defeat than my actual defeats as Mafia...

1 mafioso with 1 kill versus 3 townies at night = another lynch phase.

1 mafioso with 1 kill versus a townie and 2 neutrals = victory.


I said it before. I say it again. NEUTRALS!!! *shakes fist*

[Secura]

1 mafioso with 1 kill versus 3 townies at night = another lynch phase.

1 mafioso with 1 kill versus a townie and 2 neutrals = victory.

I don't see your point, treacle; in the last three day phases, we lynched two Neutrals and a scummer, no? robbiecon, Captain Blackadder and Believer?

The neutrals in this game were mostly doing their best to work with the town; in particular, split/TLD were pursuing their secondary goals of lynching the scum just as much as they were angling to survive.

[TheLastDays]

In fact I pursued it more because I didn't have to pursue my goal of surviving at all, it just happened... probably a reason why it doesn't really feel like a victory

[Splitpersonality]

At least you didn't attempt to get killed by the mafia just to fail :(

[Diamondeye]

I'd like to know what my ability was.

You were the only person capable of resisting an attack by Justin Bieber's powered-up attack. You could even defeat him one-on-one in the case of being the two last players or being attacked by him when he was not powered up.

It was to have a chance of including a certain "Epic Rap Battles of History" Youtube clip. Sorry if I gave you false expectations :curtain:

[TheLastDays]

Also, what was the thing about CH's death? Did the Mafia recruit a new member when he died?

[Diamondeye]

Also, what was the thing about CH's death? Did the Mafia recruit a new member when he died?

No, what made you believe that?

Romanic could scan, and Captain Blackadder could power up his attacks, so they switched up attacking. When CH was lynched, they chose to let Romanic attack while Blackadder powered up.

Role PMs will probably be posted tomorrow.

[TheLastDays]

Ah ok that's where the change in killing methods came...

anyway, thanks DE, it was a good game and I had fun even though I'm frustrated now ^^

[Renata]

I was frustrated getting killed how I did, because short of that powered-up attack I could have protected while "dead" (and would have to have been killed again to entirely get rid of me) -- I wondered somewhat if I had been scanned as having the power that I had. That contributed slightly (though not a lot) to my suspicion of both split and Romanic.

I wish I had kept closer track of/had a better handle on the situation with the neutrals, because I didn't really get why today was supposed to be the last day. I thought there'd be another shot at Romanic if split wasn't mafia (and thought Believer, TLD, and Csargo were innocent, regardless). Oh well, c'est la vie.

Romanic did well with the bussing of CH, no false note with which to get him, only his overall record not being so great. But it was a good game by the mafia.

[classical_hero]

Did anyone get their flourishes done? I know mine was to kill the most amount of people including lynches, which is why I tried my best to lynch as many people as possible, but that also got me lynched, but it was not a big loss for the team, since I was "the dumb muscle" of the team. When I had a feeling I was going to be lynched it was obvious ne of my team mates had to vote for me to make them look good.

Here is the QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Hff8Y23ygDnJ8

[Believer]

I love how I consistently saw CH, then CB and then Romanic. Shame I couldn't convince anyone else.



Did anyone get their flourishes done?

I would've gotten 3/3 if Romanic got lynched.

1. Survive
2. All baddies gone.
3. No N/G characters left.



I sure will try to learn my lessons from this esp. because I did rather suspect split or Csargo than ROmanic during that last round... ah well, sorry guys

Wait a second. You suspected Split and Csargo over Romanic the last round, but voted for me? There's not a single word of logic in that, son.

[Romanic]

Yikes, we win! I didn't think that I would get through this. Congrats to my partners, CH and CB :bow:, and also to the winning neutrals, specially TLD for switching his vote to Believer :smug2: (His reasoning was on the money though, there was no reason to vote me over Believer, it was easier for him to win this way).


[...]
T'was an inspired move getting rid of me at that stage because, though I could fire off several reasons that Romanic might be scum, I had no way to enforce that perspective with my vote and had to rely solely on yourself, TheLastDays and Csargo following my lead.

Congratulations to the scummers, though I get the feeling that Romanic deserves most of that despite being a bit lurkier than usual; was that a planned thing or was it genuinely due to being busy away from the fora? Because you're usually a fair bit more active.

Both. I am really busier in real life, working two jobs and seven days a week (one day off in the last 19 actually). Gaming time is taking a hit, but the payroll is worth it :smile:. Anyway, I cannot be as active as I was in the past, since I don't have Internet access at work but I still would have been more active if I were Town. I wasn't interested to look for Scum, and kinda scared to make big cases because Renata, DIY, and perhaps others, picked on me in my last Scum game (Half Monty), as not being genuine.

You were right to call me on not being active enough, and not looking for bad guys. :smug2: I don't know what's up with you, but every time I'm scum, you suspect me. I really didn't expect to see this from you, after you died:

Anyway, I'm going to go against form here and suggest that you lynch Romanic; forging results is not beyond the realms of possibility for someone with such a knack for statistics. Also, I really dislike how you're suddenly heaps more active now that myself, Renata and Pizza are all dead; where have you been for the rest of the game?
I was a scanner, gave you my results privately, didn't try to squeeze info from you. Why suspect me? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU??? :furious3: :laugh4:


Romanic did well with the bussing of CH, no false note with which to get him, only his overall record not being so great. But it was a good game by the mafia.
:laugh4: Hey you made me laugh for at least two minutes when I read this:

3 Spl1tp3r50nal1ty (AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
1 Believer (Robbiecon)
6 Classical_Hero (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Renata, Secura, Romanic, Believer)

No-bus/ easy-bus options for mafia: Believer (lynch already accomplished), split (no reasonable expectation that the bandwagon on him would fail)
“I mean it” bus: Romanic
Not sure, need to look at circumstances again: TLD

It's awesome how you phrase stuff sometimes! :laugh4: But hey I couldn't miss that opportunity, it was clear to me that CH's days were numbered and I'm a slurping bastard when I see a good bussing opportunity.

Good game everyone, and thank you for the game DE. Loved it! :applause:

[Romanic]

I told you guys I was being honest :c

I only wish I had been attacked at night like I wanted.

My ability was a passive chance of killing any attacker, hence why I put myself on the line.

Sorry town :/
Hey don't be sorry, you won! :cheer:

There was no reason to attack you. Getting rid of a neutral wasn't helping us win. I didn't pick that you were lying about your scanning ability, so I was ready to gamble that you were going to scan Believer, a claimed neutral, instead of me. But wow was I happy to see that you were lying about this cause either scan you have been bad for us: either clearing Believer or spotting me. That's why I delayed my vote on the final day, and was pumping for a "you're lying Split-Scum" defense. :laugh4:


'It would have made no difference ATPG and if it helps anything this feels more like a defeat to me than a win... heck it feels more like a defeat than my actual defeats as Mafia...

I sure will try to learn my lessons from this esp. because I did rather suspect split or Csargo than ROmanic during that last round... ah well, sorry guys
What are you talking about? :laugh4:

You won, cheer up! Your goal was to survive, by not looking scummy, and not attract the mafia's attention. Mission accomplished, yay! It wasn't to catch us, so don't feel like you've lost.

Neutrals siding with the Town, hmpph.

[classical_hero]

I knew my days were numbered, but it did allow us some time for the rest of the team to get working on the victory. Having CB lynched was not part of the plan, but thankfully it did not affect the result. I knew one of us had to try hard to get the heat n them to make it harder for the the rest of the town to get on the rest of the team. It seems every time I play mafia game here and the night gets extended, a sum always get voted off.

[TheLastDays]

I would've gotten 3/3 if Romanic got lynched.

1. Survive
2. All baddies gone.
3. No N/G characters left.

Wait a second. You suspected Split and Csargo over Romanic the last round, but voted for me? There's not a single word of logic in that, son.

No, I suspected you slightly more than split and Csargo. I was only saying, even if I wouldn't have voted for you, my vote would have provably been on split... So I need to figure out how to see the way Romanic plays scum because he was my lowest suspect that last round, at least for most of the time...

ALso you would not have gotten your flourish. I was n/g

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thank you for the game, Diamondeye. Apologies to my teammates for not being able to devote much of my time to this one.

[Secura]

I wasn't lying when I said that my role was another Commander Shepard... despite being a member of the freakin' Beatles, I was completely vanilla. Your caution about a protection ability was unwarranted! :3

[Diamondeye]

1. Survive
2. All baddies gone.
3. No N/G characters left.

Spl1t and TLD were both N/G though.

The ending writeup lists the scoring; Romanic came in first, with his teammates and the surviving neutrals second. Everyone else lost :sad:

[Believer]

Spl1t and TLD were both N/G though.
Stop ruining my sulking. -.-'

[Captain Blackadder]

Well I was happy with the win. If we had lost I would have felt really bad since all I needed to do was get up a few hours earlier and vote for Believer and I would have got a full victory.

[classical_hero]

When are we going to get the Role PMs in the thread?

[Diamondeye]

When are we going to get the Role PMs in the thread?

Soon, I promise! I'm just a bit busy today, my brother has his final exam today and I've got work tomorrow. When I get around to it, I promise :sweatdrop:

[classical_hero]

Cool.

[Diamondeye]

Mark Knopfler / johnhughthom:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i53.tinypic.com/33ndymc.jpg

Character: Mark Knopfler (of Dire Straits)
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
None.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Good Popularity): Survive until the end of the game.
Flourish: End the game without a single player with a "Bad" Alignment alive.

Comments: A "Vanilla" Good/Good townie. The flourish was actually one of the easier ones, provided of course that you survived, since there were only two "bad" characters who were not "bad" popularity. I chose this for Knopfler because I figured he'd be a symbol of a "high standard" :beam:

Dido Armstrong / TheLastDays:

Music Mafia
Character Card

https://i52.tinypic.com/30mv2if.jpg

Character: Dido Armstrong
Alignments:
Popularity - Neutral
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Hunter - Each night, you may target another player to find out if they are Eminem.
Take My Hand - Using this ability (at night) on Eminem will convert his goals to become mirror images of your own. Using it on another character will have negative consequences.

Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive to the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: The character Eminem must also survive.

Comments: A "Lover"-like role. It was a way to temper the otherwise pretty "serialkiller" Eminem if they both lived long into the game. Well, TLD made it to the end but Eminem died almost right away. Converting Eminem would give him the same Victory Condition and Secondary Condition and a mirrored flourish (Dido must survive), and reveal them to each other, as mason-neutrals.

Renata / Michael Jackson:

Music Mafia
Character Card

https://i52.tinypic.com/kf198y.jpg

Character: Michael Jackson
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Invincible - Any effect that would kill you will instead "almost kill" you; You will be listed as dead, cannot vote or reveal information like the alive players, but you will need to die a second time to die properly (you can still be targetted and voted).
Beat It - While "Almost Alive", you may protect a target each night.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Good Popularity): Survive until the end of the game.
Flourish: Save a Good character's life.

Comments: Another "half" role; Renata would be able to protect after she had been lynched or killed, but Justin's charged attack went through her own "protection", so she died off whole right away. The reason for this role's quirks is that I tried to limit the abilities in the game without giving too many players "vanilla" roles. I also tried to limit the Good/Good players somewhat...

Thom Yorke / Visorslash:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i53.tinypic.com/s142dt.jpg

Character: Thom Yorke (of Radiohead)
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Bad
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Karma Police - Each night, you may scan another player to find out their Favor Alignment.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Bad Favor & Good Popularity): All "Good" Favor players are defeated.
Flourish: Survive until the end of the game.

Comments: One of the "outsiders" of the town, he had an ability that could help him achieve his (very difficult!) Secondary goal. There was a scum of each favor, so it had limited use otherwise. Also, I really dislike Radiohead, but they seem pretty popular, so I figured this combination was perfect.

Tupac Shakur / B_Ray:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i53.tinypic.com/2z66ooy.jpg

Character: 2Pac Shakur
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Neutral
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Death Around The Corner - If you are killed by someone at night, there is a chance that their identity will be revealed in the morning. In that case, you will be counted as voting against that person every day phase until they die (despite being dead yourself).

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Neutral Favor & Good Popularity): Cause the death of a player of "Bad" Popularity (votes count as causes).
Flourish: Cause the defeat of the last player of "Bad" Popularity (votes count as causes).

Comments: Another cool post-mortem ability ruined by Captain Blackadder's uncanny ability to pick targets! If it hadn't been overpowered, his ability would have provided a 50% chance of revealing the player name of the attacker. It would also mean that he could achieve his secondary goal and (possibly) flourish from beyond the grave. Very flavour-driven, from my limited knowledge of Tupac's life at least.

Mariah Carey / Romanic:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i54.tinypic.com/vfjams.jpg

Character: Mariah Carey
Alignments:
Popularity - Bad
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Nightkill (Team Ability) - At night, you may attack another player. Only one of your team may use this ability each night.
Looking In - At night, you may scan another player to learn of their Popularity Alignment.
Vision of Love - At night, you may scan another player to learn the gender of their character.
Note: You may only use one of these abilities each night.

Victory Condition (Bad): Outnumber the "Good" Popularity Players.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Bad Popularity): Survive until the end of the game.
Flourish: Be the last female character alive.

Comments: Selecting the scums were kind of hard, actually. I don't know if Mariah is unpopular, per se, but I think it's commonly agreed that she could be really great if she used that voice to its full potential and stop being skimpy on literally every picture ever taken. I tried to use "forum friendly" pics for everyone and Mariah was one of the hardest.
Her high favour is mostly due to "We Belong Together", which is an awesome track :blush:.

AskThePizzaGuy/Enya:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i54.tinypic.com/347739j.jpg

Character: Enya
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
None.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Good Popularity): Survive until the end of the game.
Flourish: Finish the game without being the direct cause of a single death (voting also counts as a direct cause).

Comments: Another pretty "vanilla" townie. Her flourish is due to the (in my perception) very peaceful nature of her music. It's meditation music; don't hurt no-one! It was hard to Pizza that he got the role though seeing as he's always chasing everyone!
There was some discussion as the whether Enya is really "Good" popularity... I don't know how many people listen to her, but my perception is that almost no-one "hates" her and she has lots of more or less dedicated fans (me included :tongue:)

Kanye West / Robbiecon:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i56.tinypic.com/4l0yg8.jpg

Character: Kanye West
Alignments:
Popularity - Neutral
Favor - Bad
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger - Once during the game, day or night, you are able to overpower an enemy. This will reveal your identity, and you must keep in mind that using this power prematurely may make your goals harder. You will automatically use this ability if only one other player remains.

Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive until the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Bad Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Good" Favor players are defeated.
Flourish: Be the last man standing.

Comments: A neutral who probably would have better odds with the scums than the town. His ability was tricky; he could use it against a last mafia to close the game and win his VC, hope to live longer and murder one of the last "X/G" roles, or he could save it all the way and hope to win solo. In the end, he died before using it (a very probable results, really).

Ludwig Van Beethoven / Csargo:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i56.tinypic.com/24v2ogh.jpg

Character: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Neutral
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
????? (Passive) - This ability will reveal itself if/when it's used.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Neutral Favor & Good Popularity): Cause the death of a player of "Bad" Popularity (votes count as causes).
Flourish: Get a chance to use your special ability (This requires you to stay alive).

Comments: I feel bad for Csargo now, he lived through most of the game without ever getting to use his ability. I included it as a single response to Bieber's overpowering attack and a last way out for a townie vs mafia 1-on-1 standoff. For those who didn't read it in one of my earlier posts, his ability would have resisted the overpowering attack or retaliate on an un-powered attack if Bieber attacked him. He would also win for the town if it was down to him and Bieber. It's because of the Epic Rap Battle of History youtube clip with Bieber and Beethoven that this ability (and character) made it into the game.

[Diamondeye]

Paul McCartney / Secura:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i53.tinypic.com/29w6bzd.jpg

Character: Paul McCartney (of The Beatles)
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
None.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Good Popularity): Survive until the end of the game.
Flourish: At least 5 people with a "Good" Alignment must surive until the end of the game (yourself included).

Comments: Another G/G Vanilla. Secura was a bit upset that such a prominent musician (perhaps the world's best songwriter, in my humble opinion) had no abilities, which was another consequence of trying to limit the power of G/G Characters. His Flourish was actually to have five people who had at least one "good" in their alignment to survive. I think there were 11 characters this could be (Mariah not counting since she needed to be gone for the VC), but it was still hard...!

Eric Clapton / Chaotix:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ef4085.jpg

Character: Eric Clapton
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Neutral
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
None.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Neutral Favor & Good Popularity): Cause the death of a player of "Bad" Popularity (votes count as causes).
Flourish: Cause the defeat every player of "Bad" Popularity (votes count as causes).

Comments: This was the more "aggressive" guitarist compared to Knopfler; his goal was to be a good (bandwagoning) townie, almost the opposite of Enya, it would be a fine tactic to have your vote on every lynch. These different goals were also in the game to try and tweak players' performances towards certain approaches to the game for variety's sake.

Eminem / Autolycus:

Music Mafia
Character Card

https://i51.tinypic.com/20puii9.jpg

Character: Eminem
Alignments:
Popularity - Neutral
Favor - Neutral
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Kill You - Each night, you can attack another player.

Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive until the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Neutral Favor & Neutral Popularity): Be the last man standing.
Flourish: Personally cause the death of any other "Gangster" character in the game (voting for them in a lynch counts).

Comments: It seems Autolycus always get the SK roles in my games! This was a pretty normal Serial Killer, though he could be turned a bit "good" if Dido had found him. The other "Gangsters" were Kanye (a rival neutral) and Tupac (a dangerous victim).

Phil Collins / Classical Hero:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i53.tinypic.com/n5ldow.jpg

Character: Phil Collins
Alignments:
Popularity - Bad
Favor - Neutral
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Nightkill (Team Ability) - At night, you may attack another player. Only one of your team may use this ability each night.

Victory Condition (Bad): Outnumber the "Good" Popularity Players.
Secondary Goal (Neutral Favor & Bad Popularity): Be the last player standing.
Flourish: Personally cause the death of the most players (votes count as causes).

Comments: Again; Picking scum characters was hard! I think Phil Collins was an unorthodox choice, but it had to be someone a lot of people knew without being wildly succesful. I think he was better in Genesis, personally, and I have the impression that others dislike his music more than I do (I actually quite like some of it, to be honest). His goals were kind of anti-team focused, but it was a good tool to distribute roles on the team; Classical killed on the nights were Blackadder loaded his attack, leaving Mariah time to scan while also helping him towards his Flourish.

Spl1tp3r50nal1ty / :love:Britney Spears:love:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i54.tinypic.com/103gbxd.jpg

Character: Britney Spears
Alignments:
Popularity - Neutral
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Femme Fatale - If you are attacked at night, you have a chance of escaping and/or taking down the attacker.

Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive to the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive.

Comments: Eeeeeeeeih! Britney! BRITNEY! YOU ROCK!
Sorry... Britney was one of the three N/G "Pop princesses" along with Shakira and GaGa; they had the same goals, but differing abilities. Britney had a bulletproof/retaliation chance to keep attackers off her back so she could outlive her "sisters". Remember there were four N/Gs; Dido had no part of this three-way pop princess struggle, she was just a necessary victim of it :tongue:.
Also all female artists were of "Good" favor. Strange huh? (:wink: at Believer)

Justin Bieber / Captain Blackadder:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i56.tinypic.com/9t1fed.jpg

Character: Justin Bieber, aka "JB"
Alignments:
Popularity - Bad
Favor - Bad
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Nightkill (Team Ability) - At night, you may attack another player. Only one of your team may use this ability each night.
The End of Music - At night, you many empower yourself so that your next attack will work through protection.
Note: You can only use one of these abilities each night.

Victory Condition (Bad): Outnumber the "Good" Popularity Players.
Secondary Goal (Bad Favor & Bad Popularity): All players with "Good" Favor dead.
Flourish: Be the last player standing.

Comments: I hope y'all dislike him as much as I do. Also Captain Blackadder was pretty lucky/good with his empowered attacks.

Lady GaGa / Khazaar:

Music Mafia
Character Card

https://oi51.tinypic.com/9rqdle.jpg

Character: Lady GaGa
Alignments:
Popularity - Neutral
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Poker Face - You may dictate to the Game Host what your alignment will look as if scanned (currently Neutral // Good).
Speechless - If you are lynched, the following day phase will be skipped.

Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive until the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive.

Comments: I was so close to just giving Secura this role :curtain: It's another of the Pop Princesses, Lady GaGa! She could disguise herself in alignment scans (a tricky ability since the scanners were both "bad" in the alignment they scanned), and she had the "beloved princess" ability if lynched. So the town dodged a bullet by her being killed at night, for sure! Also can I just say that Lady GaGa is awesome and I was kind of sad that the role went to an unbeliever :tongue: - no offence, Khazaar, you seemed just as sad as I was with it!

Shakira / Believer:

Music Mafia
Character Card

https://i52.tinypic.com/20537yw.jpg

Character: Shakira
Alignments:
Popularity - Neutral
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
Suerte - Any action taken against you at night has a small risk of failure.
She Wolf - For you to be lynched, at least one of the votes must be by a female character.

Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive to the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive.

Comments: Aaaand the third Pop Princess - She had a "lucky" ability and required a female vote to be lynched (both of those who lynched Believer were female characters though), something that could help her stay alive.

Bob Dylan / Seon:

Music Mafia
Character Card

http://i56.tinypic.com/2rfzvie.jpg

Character: Bob Dylan
Alignments:
Popularity - Good
Favor - Good
Note: Popularity describes your popularity with the listeners. This determines your Victory Condition.
Favor describes your popularity with the DJ, Diamondeye, This, in combination with your Popularity, determines your Secondary Goal. It has no influence on your Victory Condition.

Abilities:
None.

Victory Condition (Good): All "Bad" Popularity players are defeated.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Good Popularity): Survive until the end of the game.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive.

Comments: And another "major" as vanilla townie, this one's Flourish was more town-obstructive. I think it fits nicely with (the picture I have of) Dylan as a bit eccentric and his almost transcendal position in music history; he wants to be the only one in the top category.

Comments and questions are very welcome :beam:

[Believer]

This game was the most frustrating ever for me to play. But this was not only because I felt I was being cheated at the end.

1. I had a neutral character, which for me is new. I had no idea how to do it so I just gave it my best shot, turns out that this was my best game ever, if I had been a townie.

2. I am sick. I haven't been able to sit at the computer very much at all the past month and that severely crippled my game. In retrospect this probably saved me a few stressful moments coming to the lynch randomizer.

3. I was right! I was right and I "knew" I was being right. This was a real hard try for me and it worked out, when people didn't believe me it just ticked me off to no end.

4. I was Shakira.


In closing, thanks DE for a fantastic game. Congratulations to the winners and thanks to the others which made this game into what it became. It was a positive experience for me, contrary to what I thought it would be after it ended. So good game everyone, I hope I see you in the next. :)

[TheLastDays]

Dido had no part of this three-way pop princess struggle, she was just a necessary victim of it

Yet she was one of only two of them to survive this struggle :P

@Believer's number 3. : Sorry!

In retrospect I think my role would have been a lot of fun had I found Eminem but since auto died before I ever got a chance at finding him (ok I got one chance but I could only guess with my "scan" on night one) I was kind of a messed up townie. I needed to get all the bad guys just like the town but it would count for nothing if I died (unlike a true townie who can still win when he dies)...

Still I had a lot of fun with this game so thanks DE and to the others playing! :D

[classical_hero]

I really don't understand all the hate towards Justin Bieber. Sure I don't like his kind of music he makes, but I am not the target audience, so I don't see why we should hate him for being successful in making a career that is aimed at teenage girls, which is the same age group. But if we are to say he is not popular, then he should not be making the top ten list for touring acts currently. He might not be popular in our age group, but I doubt he really cares about our opinion.

I think this was a great game, since you really cannot make it so obvious a to who the mafia would be, then all you would need to do is make the mafia genuinely unpopular people and it would be easy for the town to win. So it was enjoyable. Also you really should not have taken my Enya comment all that seriously.

[johnhughthom]

(perhaps the world's best songwriter, in my humble opinion)

:shocked2:

[Splitpersonality]

I can't believed how many chances to make "Justin Beliver/Belieber" jokes I missed.

>:C

[Diamondeye]

I really don't understand all the hate towards Justin Bieber. Sure I don't like his kind of music he makes, but I am not the target audience, so I don't see why we should hate him for being successful in making a career that is aimed at teenage girls, which is the same age group. But if we are to say he is not popular, then he should not be making the top ten list for touring acts currently. He might not be popular in our age group, but I doubt he really cares about our opinion.

But I like all the other music aimed at teenage girls!

I mean... Uh... Look! Britney Spears! :creep:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a theory as to why people hate Justin Bieber.

He's achieved more fame, fortune, and general success in a tiny amount of time than 99% of us will ever achieve.
His popularity with the opposite gender in his age group is astronomical, and because he's not a big tough macho man that doesn't sit well with macho guys.
He has genuine good looks which get him a lot of attention, and therefore others are jealous of that.
All of this combined with the fact that most of us adults don't like his music because it is geared towards tweenagers, means there are reasons to be jealous of him and find him talentless at the same time. It's a perfect storm of "I don't know him, but he's awful".

I guarantee you, the instant he makes a mistake later in life, gets drunk, winds up with a sleazy girlfriend, or something scandalous happens, he will be all over the news, and haters will be filled with schadenfreude over him finally failing at something. They will experience glee at the downfall of another human being, and it will be because of envy, mostly.

I don't like his music either, so I just ignore him and wish him well.