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Montmorency
08-28-2011, 22:25
I'm not exactly a veteran here (yet), but my feeling is that when new players act scummy, it's because they're - well - new. Has there ever even been a precedent for a first-timer being Mafia?
Johhog claims to be experienced though.
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 22:28
I'm not exactly a veteran here (yet), but my feeling is that when new players act scummy, it's because they're - well - new. Has there ever even been a precedent for a first-timer being Mafia?
Johhog claims to be experienced though.
Mafia are selected randomly. There is as much a chance of them being mafia as anyone else.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 22:43
I'm off to work.
Be back in 9 hours.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 22:58
Mafia are selected randomly. There is as much a chance of them being mafia as anyone else.
Alright, statistics trump intuition. I guess for every outlier like Visorslash, there would be someone who rolls Mafia on their first game.
Memnon is irrelevant until we get Pizza scanned. But, if there are 4 Mafia, they could easily teamkill Pizza tonight and we would just assume that he's innocent. Memnon (and maybe Populus; Johhog is dying today anyway) would be clear until the endgame.
There are too many levels of WIFOM here. I'm afraid the prospects for town are not good. :worried:
How am I "dying today anyway"? Sorry if this sounds aggressive, but everyone who is voting me needs to learn some game theory, considering that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 23:05
There are too many levels of WIFOM here. I'm afraid the prospects for town are not good.
Ideally we would simply discard the investigation mechanic altogether, as it's untrustworthy. However that won't work since we're forced to use it and townies typically love them some investigation results.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 23:11
You dilemma my prisoner, and I'll dilemma yours. :wink:
Yeah, I'm going to bed now. Everyone even CONSIDERING to vote me should stop with that. Remember, I'll be confirmed town tomorrow, so why lynch me today?
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 23:23
Yeah, I'm going to bed now. Everyone even CONSIDERING to vote me should stop with that. Remember, I'll be confirmed town tomorrow, so why lynch me today?
"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." ~Andre GideCheck.
Sorry if the length of my posts make me sound scummy, from now on I'll only use 6 words max per post.:rolleyes:
johnhughthom
08-29-2011, 00:14
Sorry if the length of my posts make me sound scummy, from now on I'll only use 6 words max per post.:rolleyes:
Tee hee. Scum.
Ayup. Now watch as I late-vote:Memnon in order to throw him under the bus in order to clear suspisciOn away from me.
Ayup. Now watch as I late-vote:Memnon in order to throw him under the bus in order to clear suspisciOn away from me.
ZOMBIE!!! He's trying to get me!
Tratorix
08-29-2011, 00:44
Sorry if the length of my posts make me sound scummy, from now on I'll only use 6 words max per post.:rolleyes:
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:
Yes, because that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:
I'm just kidding, man. Truth be told I am that helpful, once lost a game of RISK after controlling North and South America and Africa with some outposts in Asia to help the two remaining players fight over Europe, I just can't be sneaky.
Ayup. Now watch as I late-vote:Memnon in order to throw him under the bus in order to clear suspisciOn away from me.
You're dead. You can't vote.
Montmorency
08-29-2011, 00:55
I'd better get a cool sig out of this game, then. >:|
Round over, write-up is coming.
TALLY:
Johhog: 2 (JHT, Tratorix)
ATPG: 2 (B_Ray, Ishmael)
Memnon: 1 (ATPG)
Montmorency: 1 (Believer)
Warman: 1 (Memnon)
Abstain: 0
Not Voting: 6 :stare: (bestrfcplayer, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
bestrfcplayer will be replaced if he doesn't vote next Day Phase.
TALLY:
ATPG: 7 (ATPG, Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, JHT, Montmorency, Tratorix)
Seamus: 1 (B_Ray)
Montmorency: 1 (Memnon)
Not Voting: 5 :stare: (bestrfcplayer, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
B_Ray: "Usually Askthepizzaguy is the life of the party, but he's been suspiciously quiet this whole time. Perhaps he's afraid he'll reveal his murders?
Askthepizzaguy: "Oh, come on, man! That is LAME!"
Askthepizzaguy then went on to dominate the conversation for several hours, screaming himself hoarse.
ATPG: "This "shirt-scanning" is all a big hoax, people! Memnon, and all subsequent shirt-holders, are complete and total scumbags! We should -- nay, we NEED to kill Johhog today!"
A couple of others hesitantly agreed with Mount Pizza, but most decided to cast suspicion on others. Like, to the extreme. I mean, practically no one could agree on anyone to kill today.
ATPG: "Oh, and give me the shirt, too."
Now, this was something everyone could rally behind! Everyone gladly voted Askthepizzaguy to have the shirt, and yet -- he was still almost killed. Some even thought Pizzaman should have the shirt, yet still die.
ATPG: "You're mine, Memnon. HEEHEEEHEEHEE!!!"
He then went on to cackle for the next twenty minutes, and by the time he was finished, everyone had gone upstairs, and he was the only person left in the main room downstairs.
ATPG: "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have yelled at them all day, then capped it off by laughing uproariously like a maniac."
He shrugged, then went off to his own bed.
It is now NIGHT THREE!
ALIVE:
[14]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[2]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[3]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
ATPG -- current wearer
Montmorency
08-29-2011, 01:26
ATPG: "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have yelled at them all day, then capped it off by laughing uproariously like a maniac."
So you were scum, Pizzaboy! :grin2:
Seamus Fermanagh
08-29-2011, 01:35
Got to this late on Sunday.
Interesting argument from pizza, and I agree it would be a deliciouslsy devious trick by Zack.
Surprisingly, for me, memnon voted for monty without much support and then when pressured, voted for warman....a second vote for little reason in the same round. Does seem like squirming to me.
I would've vote memnon
bestrfcplayer
08-29-2011, 02:22
Sorry I haven't been posting. From now on, I'll vote (but since school has started, don't expect a vote until the afternoon, or evening).
Seamus, I'd voted warman before, and I the Monty one was just purely random, I would say attempting to avoid lynches would be a goal for any player, anyway I'm now premium lynchbait, so at least I survive this night when pizza hopefully scans me
I pretty much hate myself for not changing my lynch vote last time I posted. It seemed like Johhog was clearly in the lead at the time.
Also, 5 people not voting? What the crap.
Askthepizzaguy
08-29-2011, 06:58
Ideally we would simply discard the investigation mechanic altogether, as it's untrustworthy. However that won't work since we're forced to use it and townies typically love them some investigation results.
Ugh, don't I know it.
I recently had an issue over on another board with 5 whispered detective results, or so we were led to believe, every round in a large game. We were getting detective results out of the sky itself.
Yeah, that's real trustworthy.
Well, turns out 2 of those were from "crier" roles. They were roles that would whisper their alignment to people. Guess what the scum whispered to people? That they were townie.
And that's not even the bestest part. Another one of the scans said a dude was innocent, another person was innocent, and that a third person was guilty.
Well, we lynched the scum who cried townie, then we lynched one of the supposed innocents and they were also guilty.
We haven't mislynched once since those false detective results came in. Of course, I was screaming to the heavens that they were very likely fake for 2 rounds in a row, so maybe that had something to do with it.
Townie lurve investigation results. I don't hate them, but I do hate the way we typically use them and I hate that we rely on them so much. If you keep track you will also find that scumbags claim false detective results almost as often as real detectives do.
Askthepizzaguy
08-29-2011, 07:00
Tee hee. Scum.
Did you see the rolling of the eyes? :2thumbsup:
Montmorency
08-29-2011, 07:05
Blackadder's scan in NCfOM was an example of a perfect investigation. One investigation, a near-unanimous lynch, and down goes a mafioso.
Though I suppose that's why I have a hankering for more games with reveals upon death. :/ I'm surprised that more don't feel the same way, given that it's human nature to hate uncertainty.
@ Zack
Replace the inactives please? :P
@ Monty
The campground was a great game without death reveals.
Oh mah gawd, you actually considered lynching soon-to-be confirmed town? Lolfail.
Montmorency
08-29-2011, 07:26
Oh, sure. There are many great games without reveals. I never suggested otherwise. I'd just like to see more in the vein of No Country, which was very entertaining to follow. I just regret that I never signed up.
You won't be confirmed anything for 65.5 hours, Johhog.
Askthepizzaguy
08-29-2011, 07:29
Oh mah gawd, you actually considered lynching soon-to-be confirmed town? Lolfail.
Hey, they voted me the shirt and almost killed me at the same time. That's double the pleasure.
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Askthepizzaguy
08-29-2011, 08:28
What if I totally messed with everyone and just scanned someone randomly?
Do you think that would fly at all? :laugh4:
What if I scanned myself with the shirt, cackling as I do it? Do you think I'd last a single round thereafter, or would I die from sudden onset FluffyOne syndrome?
What if I totally messed with everyone and just scanned someone randomly?
Do you think that would fly at all? :laugh4:
What if I scanned myself with the shirt, cackling as I do it? Do you think I'd last a single round thereafter, or would I die from sudden onset FluffyOne syndrome?
You were close enough to being lynched this round - I don't think I'd push your luck if I were you :yes:.
Askthepizzaguy
08-29-2011, 09:23
You were close enough to being lynched this round - I don't think I'd push your luck if I were you :yes:.
On 2 votes though. You guys pretty much deserve to be messed with at this point.
That said, I am Pizza, not fluffy, so I'll play it straight and be a good townie. Though why I should do that when people would vote me to die, and vote me the shirt, is beyond me.
If I gotta make sense, other people gotta make sense. It's only fair.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-29-2011, 13:55
Can I buy the shirt from someone? Will Gingerbreadmen do?
Montmorency
08-29-2011, 15:34
On 2 votes though. You guys pretty much deserve to be messed with at this point.
That said, I am Pizza, not fluffy, so I'll play it straight and be a good townie. Though why I should do that when people would vote me to die, and vote me the shirt, is beyond me.
If I gotta make sense, other people gotta make sense. It's only fair.
Only two lynch-voted you. Do it for the rest of us.
Tratorix
08-29-2011, 15:51
That said, I am Pizza, not fluffy, so I'll play it straight and be a good townie. Though why I should do that when people would vote me to die, and vote me the shirt, is beyond me.
Do you want some cheese with that whine? Two people voted for you. Sure, there was a slight bandwagoning before that, but these things happen. :grin:
Yaropolk
08-29-2011, 19:00
Hurricanes get you into analytical mood Pizza?
Askthepizzaguy
08-29-2011, 23:48
Hurricanes get you into analytical mood Pizza?
I decline to say what mood they get me in, but I love wind, rain, and thunder.
Though of course the disaster of the current hurricane is nothing to be put into a good mood over.
Montmorency
08-29-2011, 23:56
I decline to say what mood they get me in, but I love wind, rain, and thunder.
Though of course the disaster of the current hurricane is nothing to be put into a good mood over.
I may look bad, but I don't care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJcDv2Nw1HQ
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 00:21
Preferably I have someone to love besides the earth, but that's the general idea. :eyebrows:
Askthepizzaguy was sound asleep, confident that the shirt would protect him from any who sought to do harm.
The dark figure that strode in his room sought to prove Pizzaman wrong.
The figure crept up to ATPG's bed, then carefully slit his throat. To his frustration, Pizza's throat appeared to have cut, but he continued to breathe normally. Puzzled, the figure lifted Askthepizzaguy's shirt, stabbing him many times in his torso. Still confused at Askthepizzaguy's continued breathing, the figure snuck back into his own room.
-------
That morning, everyone noticed that today, only one person was missing.
Askthepizzaguy.
A few minutes later, he strolled down the stairs.
Askthepizzaguy: "Great news everyone! I just found out that Memnon is town! Now, it's time for someone else to have a turn with the shirt."
Askthepizzavolcano then proceeded to take the shirt off.
As soon as it was off, he promptly collapsed into a heap on the stairs.
It is now DAY FOUR!
ALIVE:
[13]
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon -- Scanned Town (N3)
Montmorency
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[3]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
Askthepizzaguy (N3)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[3]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
ATPG (N3)
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 01:08
Remember, it could be a red-herring team-kill.
If Pizza is town: HA, YOU WERE WRONG
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 01:10
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Yes. I. Am. Invincible.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 01:12
Also, I am apologetic towards Memnon and Johhog.
Do whatever. My bad.
But still, that needed checking.... srsly.
Now someone scan me, since obviously you think I just murdered myself.
Edit: oops, it appears I am dead.
Interesting. Well, hahahahahahaha that was fun.
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 01:15
No, I think you took one for the team, so to speak.
Seriously, if we don't have a killer ID'd by Day 6...
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 01:17
Hey...
I just got murdered without being scanned.
YES! I JUST SAVED YOU A LYNCH AND TONS OF TIME!!! MWAHAHAHAHAA all three of the scanees are still alive!
Tratorix
08-30-2011, 01:17
Well, this has just raised further questions now hasn't it?
Vote: Tratorix Gimme dat shirt.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 01:20
Give it to Populus Romanus.
If the implication is, Pizza, Memnon, Johhog, and Populus are all mafia, that's an interesting one since I just self-pwned.
If you toss out that implication, then Populus should get the shirt since he's scanned town.
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 01:21
I want that shirt too, brother.
Vote: Montmoremcy
Perhaps we can make an arrangement? I get the shirt today, and I'll vote it to you tomorrow.
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 01:23
It could work. The three kill you, you scan one of them, and they clear three for the price of one.
Tratorix
08-30-2011, 01:23
I want that shirt too, brother.
Vote: Montmoremcy
Perhaps we can make an arrangement? I get the shirt today, and I'll vote it to you tomorrow.
Why should we give the shirt to someone who can't spell his own name?
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 01:26
OKAY
Vote: Montmorency
:shame:
Believer
08-30-2011, 02:37
Vote: Montmorency
Same reasoning.
Vote: Populus Romanus
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 02:37
OKAY
Vote: Montmorency
:shame:
You have to unvote Montmoremcy before you can vote Montmorency.
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 02:48
Bollox, the first vote was invalid.
If I Vote: ATPG, I won't have to unvote when I place a real vote later. :smug:
Anyway, have it your way. Unvote; Vote: Populus Romanus.
If the guy he scans turns up Mafia, then will you consider it?
Vote: Populus Romanus seems safe enough. I don't think he'd have done something quite as scummy as changing his name if he were actually scum.
Vote: Yaropolk for lurking. Will you flinch for me?
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 03:11
Vote: Warman
Isn't he usually active?
I'll do my usual, which is Vote:WarmanCrazyName, and I'll also point out that I am town! Yippee! Although unfortunate that the one who stirred up the game and made it more interesting is dead... Requiescat in Pace, Pizza.(4 years of Latin!)
I'll also Vote: Populus Romanus, because that just makes sense
Just so you know, I'm fine (and would actually prefer) just calling [insert his ridiculous name here] "Warman".
Double A
08-30-2011, 03:39
I'm not exactly a veteran here (yet), but my feeling is that when new players act scummy, it's because they're - well - new. Has there ever even been a precedent for a first-timer being Mafia?
Johhog claims to be experienced though.
In my first game, I was a vig, and NK'd 2/3 of the mafia by D3. If Pizza weren't so dead sexy, I would have gotten him on N3. :smoking:
Tee hee. Scum.
Three words. Scum!
@ Zack
Replace the inactives please? :P
@ Monty
The campground was a great game without death reveals.
Revive me!
Alternatively, since Pizza didn't die till he took the shirt off, maybe yall could vote it to stick it on me, I'd come back alive for a night, investigate jht, and then keel back over. I would be avenging my own death! (probably) (maybe) (kinda) (not really)
Just so you know, I'm fine (and would actually prefer) just calling [insert his ridiculous name here] "Warman".
Yeah, I know,, just poking a little fun, sorry if it's confusing.
Yaropolk
08-30-2011, 04:55
Vote: Populus Romanus seems safe enough. I don't think he'd have done something quite as scummy as changing his name if he were actually scum.
Vote: Yaropolk for lurking. Will you flinch for me?
Totally
Vote: Yaropolk
Vote: Yaropolk
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 05:07
Isn't that like a textbook scumtell?
Yaropolk
08-30-2011, 05:11
Probably - you should give me the Shirt as a consolation prize.
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 05:18
What is a year, really?
Populus Romanus
08-30-2011, 05:50
vote: Populus Romanus I missed my chance at the shirt cause I was gone, now I want it back!
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 08:54
I just thought of something.
Your mileage may vary, but my murder proves I'm townie, and my scan proves three people are townies.
Which means I managed to not get lynched based on nonsense this time. Just barely, and it was mind-numbing how close it was.
Now let's see:
bestrfcplayer- probably gonna be replaced and stuff
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
Memnon -- Scanned Town (N3)
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
So who does that leave....
B_Ray
Believer
Ishmael
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
And what do I see:
TALLY:
Johhog: 2 (JHT, Tratorix)
ATPG: 2 (B_Ray, Ishmael)
Memnon: 1 (ATPG)
Montmorency: 1 (Believer)
Warman: 1 (Memnon)
Abstain: 0
Not Voting: 6 (bestrfcplayer, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
bestrfcplayer will be replaced if he doesn't vote next Day Phase.
SHIRT TALLY:
ATPG: 7 (ATPG, Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, JHT, Montmorency, Tratorix)
Seamus: 1 (B_Ray)
Montmorency: 1 (Memnon)
Not Voting: 5 (bestrfcplayer, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
Ishmael- voted for me to die, and also gave me the shirt. Makes no sense.
Montmorency- Late on the shirt wagon.
Tratorix- Late on the shirt wagon.
B_Ray- Voted for me to die
Believer- Usual Believer.
johnhughthom- went for Johhog and gave me the shirt rather easily yesterday.
Seamus Fermanagh- Hasn't been posting much.
Yaropolk- Hasn't been posting much.
Warman- Hasn't been posting much.
Now which of these is the scummiest. That's the big question for me anyway.
We have Montmorency and Tratorix openly questioning the results, but not acting upon it, and then voting me the shirt. Then I died. Both now also want the shirt.
Yaropolk wants the shirt and is voting for himself, rather uncharacteristically. Definitely not adding much to the discussion.
Ishmael's move makes no sense whatsoever. But it also makes no sense whatsoever from a scumbag, I think.... it neither clears him nor condemns him.
Johnhughthom feels a bit conciliatory towards me.
But really, I think I know which one takes the cake.
Vote: TheLastDays
"I didn't get a PM" posts are a ploy as old as the hills and should be discouraged. Populous, you may well be next for the same reason unless another candidate comes along. Nice spoof of this pizza.
Vote: ATPG
He's a fine fellow. Why not?
By the way, B Ray, you were supposed to vote for me to get the shirt since I am "lengendary," not vote to lynch me. Naughty, naughty.....
Fortunately, we are all aware that "legendary" is only one little step up from "fictional." Any heroic character I possess is of the Flashman variety.
Voted to lynch someone, I'll assume they're townie for now, just because our luck isn't that good.
Second one to vote me the shirt, possible snuggling attempt. Actually seems to flinch when he gets a vote, and downplays his abilities.
Vote: Johhog, reasons as above.
Vote: Populous as a means of exerting pressure. Thoughts?
Goes along with the shirt wagon, votes for someone who just got scanned as townie, and is second on the Populus wagon.
Voting "no lynch" in the early game feeds right into mafia goals. The mafia wants to be the only ones killing early on so as to minimize the chance of early investigations identifying one. The time for "no lynch" votes, if ever, is in the mid to late game when investigation suspects have been narrowed. Moreover, your assumption of one mid-game lynch in your metric is optimistic in practice. Read over some of Sasaki's comments on the no lynch route.
Populus squirmed enough for now. Unvote: Populus; Vote: Montmorency.
You're just too willing to let the mafia set the pace. Believer too, with his minimal vote support and third on the bandwagon status, also bears some evaluation.
Arguing against the No Lynch, and using not-present "legendary" Sasaki Kojiro's arguments, if they were indeed his arguments, to bolster his point.
No Lynch late in the game reduces the chances of hitting scum, and early lynches increases the chances of lynching townies. It's entirely backward, actually.
That Seamus would go so far as to cite Sasaki to make this argument means he realizes without a credible source other than himself, arguing this point will look extra-scummy.
That means Seamus is worried about looking scummy. Which means he's scum.
Lordy it has been a while. I think they were in one of GH's Mafia renditions 5-7. The issue keeps cropping up from time to time. I put no lynch in Capo because, with all the acitve night actions, it sometimes made more sense to investigate and wait....but capo generally has 20+ investigations going on each night along with all the blood, so the numbers are different. In a bog standard 1 detective, I remember the numbers end up putting more pressure on the mafia, at least in the end game, by lynching to reduce the field early on. Brutal, but ends up working.
This plan relies far too heavily on investigation results we can't even trust, sacrificing our best-odds random lynches in the endgame to make it happen.
I don't trust it, and I don't trust Seamus would make this argument as a townie in this game.
Got to this late on Sunday.
Interesting argument from pizza, and I agree it would be a deliciouslsy devious trick by Zack.
Surprisingly, for me, memnon voted for monty without much support and then when pressured, voted for warman....a second vote for little reason in the same round. Does seem like squirming to me.
I would've vote memnon
Snrubbing me with the "I agree", then smeared some suspicion onto Memnon, who is now cleared.
Of course, Seamus also knew that I'd be scanning Memnon last night, which would make him look like an uninformed townie in the morning when the results came back townie.
This is all very good stuff.
Seamus is interested in early lynches, on townies, without much thought or effort put into those lynches, and is arguing for us to rely on the detective results we can't trust, in the endgame which is going to be approaching soon, and we haven't lynched any scums yet unless they're TheLastDays, and his response to me pointing out the deviously untrustworthy nature of the detective results is to go "interesting argument".
Now, I'd argue here that he hasn't taken much of a stand on anything, but that's wrong. He's taken a very firm stand on early lynches followed by relying on late detective results. And his argument was so scummy, he needed to cite Sasaki Kojiro to make it even sound like a townie would ever advocate such a thing.
Maybe Sasaki would, but he's also the type to insist someone is guilty for no reason after he's dead and demand someone's death. Which isn't particularly pro-town because there's no way to argue with a dead proven townie with no argument. Sasaki tested out many avant garde ideas, not all of them were particularly good, and I think they are especially wrong here.
If I were alive, I'd be voting for Seamus Fermanagh. He's no townie.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 09:37
But I'm not finished, oh no no no. You see, I can't just give you one name. There's bunches of scums, and I don't want to leave any turns unstoned.
Remember, it could be a red-herring team-kill.
If Pizza is town: HA, YOU WERE WRONG
Yeah, it's funny.... it's the exact thing I said yesterday about how you couldn't necessarily trust my results because if I were indeed scum, and memnon was scum, and johhog was scum, then we've cleared us.
Thing is, I'm dead.
If Memnon and Johhog continue to survive, and they don't get scanned by others to confirm, don't you think it's gonna be a teensy-weensy bit suspicious? And then that takes down at least two of us. Could it be done? Yes. Could I do it? Yes. Would I kill myself to do it?
Nah.... and if the chain continues, populus Romanus scans another townie, then what? that person scans Memnon or Johhog.
There's not enough mafia scumbags to complete the chain.
It means if player Populus scans goes ahead and scans Memnon or Johhog, and it turns out that player is mafia, then there is no debate, there is no discussion. It means I was mafia for the false scan on memnon, and Memnon was mafia for falsely scanning Johhog.
That means 3 of us die, and I'm already dead, and I just told you how to unravel our evil plans.
Why? Because I have great big giant diamonds, or is it because it's WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY)?
No, I think you took one for the team, so to speak.
Seriously, if we don't have a killer ID'd by Day 6...
Then that means everyone who was scanned was townie, because I just told you how to confirm Memnon and myself and Johhog.
All you have to do is scan Memnon or Johhog with whoever Populus Romanus scans. It's impossible for the scums to keep up the charade at that point, because A townie would have had to scan A mafia before then, or else Populus Romanus' scanee is going to find mafia for reals, and that scanee is going to be townie as well, since there's not enough scums to complete the chain.
So, you're smearing my good name after I'm dead, by insisting I followed a plan that is extremely absurd and I just destroyed with my own words.
Mmm mmm mmm. I DONT THINK SO... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-FmSHlo_2Y8#t=143s) http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/mad0215.gif
Well, this has just raised further questions now hasn't it?
Vote: Tratorix Gimme dat shirt.
I want that shirt too, brother.
Vote: Montmoremcy
Perhaps we can make an arrangement? I get the shirt today, and I'll vote it to you tomorrow.
Oooh scummy.
In the words of Fleetwood Mac, never break the chain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvuaNjrzZvw).
It could work. The three kill you, you scan one of them, and they clear three for the price of one.
Say that a little louder so they can hear you. :evil:
Vote: Montmorency
Same reasoning.
Vote: Populus Romanus
Love it. This guy is townie.
Isn't that like a textbook scumtell?
Naw.
This quote, on the other hand, is a textbook scumtell. :bounce:
Montmorency or Seamus Fermanagh today. Really, either one will do..... :evilgrin:
1. Montmorency
2. Seamus Fermanagh
Who else? Come on, I wanna hit em all.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 10:07
Self vote the shirt, we can?
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Spoke first in the opening write up, clearly scum.
Dare I bring out the dreaded OMGUS case? :stare: Not to mention, you were in the writeup too, my friend.
unvote, vote: Believer
I don't care what random.org said, voting newbies is poor form.
Vote: Memnon
Welcome to mafia at the org, only a few of us are as ill-mannered as that Believer chap.
Snuggling Memnon, and voting for someone I find very townie right at the moment. That's three strikes so far. Let's go for some more.
Is Memnon new? I had no clue. :(
OMGUS will do just as well as random.
Unvote; Vote: JHT
You have done well, my young apprentice. Your hate has made you powerful.
vote: Memnon seems to be the consensus
vote: JHT - I actually really like the choice of JHT :laugh4:
Also, where's my role PM?
Yes.... it was a good choice. What happened then? Did you get lynched? Hmm?
Vote: TheLastDays
"I didn't get a PM" posts are a ploy as old as the hills and should be discouraged. Populous, you may well be next for the same reason unless another candidate comes along. Nice spoof of this pizza.
Vote: ATPG
He's a fine fellow. Why not?
By the way, B Ray, you were supposed to vote for me to get the shirt since I am "lengendary," not vote to lynch me. Naughty, naughty.....
Fortunately, we are all aware that "legendary" is only one little step up from "fictional." Any heroic character I possess is of the Flashman variety.
Right, Seamus drops in and votes for you. Uh-huh.... and he's not in any way scummy.
Maybe because you voted for johnny boy? Hmm?
Huh? my you really don't like bad jokes, do you?
unvote 'twas a joke too
random vote: Montmorency
Batting a thousand, my fellow zombie. Batting a thousand.
vote: Seamus Only his dead sexyness can tame the power of the Three Wolf Moon shirt, which will make it wearable by us mooks at a later date. It is for the good of me everyone!
vote: jht I hear from Bob who heard from Jill who heard from Jane who heard from Vader who heard from Steve who heard from him that he got a PM.
GOSH WHAT HAPPENED TO DOUBLE A?
Who stoled the batteries? Why would Double A die, he's such a harmless bloke!
VOTE: TheLastDays
VOTE: Memnon
I'm just wanting to blend in with the crowd and don't reveal myself as scum.
Nah, but I agree with the view that the "I haven't got a role PM yet OHALP" post was scummy. Furthermore, why did you unvote and then making another random vote?
Memnon can get the shirt. MOAR SHIRTS TO THE CROWD!
Now, Johhog is townie, but what happens when votes pile up on TheLastDays?
Unvote, Vote: TLD
It's not a great case, but it's better than letting myself get lynched.
Oh squirmy. :laugh4:
It's a very bad case but I'll volunteer as the first day lynch since JHT was killed N1 in my last game. unvote, vote: TLD
No, TheLastDays. You should not have rushed to face Vader.... incomplete was your training.
Fallen, the shroud of the dark side, has.
I will oblige.
Unvote, Vote: TLD
Your sacrifice will be in vain. Your death shall be forgotten.
Go gentle. Go soft. :bow:
LOOKIE WHO IT IS!
Guess Seamus and Montmorency dinn't want Johnny to die, eh? eh? EH???
And so it ends.
TALLY:
TLD: 6 (Johhog, JHT, Montmorency, Seamus, TLD, Warman)
JHT: 2 (Believer, Double A)
Ishmael: 1 (ATPG)
Seamus: 1 (B_Ray)
ATPG: 1 (Ishmael)
Warman: 1 (Populus Romanus)
B_Ray: 1 (Tratorix)
Abstain: 1 (Memnon)
Not Voting: 3 (bestrfcplayer, Seon, Yaropolk)
Believer, Johhog, Memnon, Populus Romanus, myself, and Double A be townies.
Monty, Seamus, and Johnhughthom be guilty.
1. Montmorency
2. Johnhughthom
3. Seamus Fermanagh
Moar boar wants moar!
Well, seeing as I suggested him earlier I may as well honour the wishes of the dead and
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
And because it's the logical choice:
vote: Populus Romanus
EDIT: Pizza, now I see how you got that obscenely high post count :yes:. On a completely unrelated tangent, the Org really needs a 'chuckling gently' smiley as well as the 'laughing maniacally' one - there's no middle ground between that and the one I used here, which means I have to convey my tone by writing intelligibly instead of spamming emoticons; obviously a terrible scenario.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 10:12
Is there a number four candidate? Help me looks.
Sorry guys, but I'm tired and won't give any reasoning until tonight. I pretty much agree with ATPG however.
VOTE: Seamus Fermanagh
VOTE: PopulusRomanus
Investigate Montmorency tonight, please.
johnhughthom
08-30-2011, 10:35
Vote: Seamus
Vote: PoopyRoman
Yes Pizza, you need to get that fourth candidate. That will be half the players you'll have said are mafia, you've a great chance at being right with some of them and saying "See, see everybody, I was right. I'm Askthepizzaguy and I'm awesome." And stuff.
So, would WIFOM be an acceptable defence to you right now? Kinda, I wouldn't kill you if mafia and stuff like that. No? Okay.
Why are you so focused on four mafia?
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 10:45
Askthepizzaguy: I know there is much we can learn from each other if we can negotiate a truce. We can find a way to coexist. Can there be a peace between us?
Hint: It's exactly-who-you-think-it-is' alphabetical precedent.
Montmorency: Peeeeeacccce....... No peeeeeeaccce....
Askthepizzaguy: What is it you want us to do?
Montmorency: Dieeeeee....... Di-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-eeeeee.......
Yes, Askthepizzaguy should be your first target, he's hasn't been targeted in the first night of any game in ever. In ever.
Congrats on not hitting me N1. Funny, I even asked for it this time. :2thumbsup:
Alright, I've decided that I'm not going to type out Warman's ridiculous name, I will continue to refer to him as Warman. Since I don't really want to type out Populous Romanus either though, I will refer to him as Pop Rocks.
Vote: Pop Rocks for confusing me.
:inquisitive:
That's a very lame case.
Vote: Johhog, reasons as above.
Vote: Populous as a means of exerting pressure. Thoughts?
I think you're scum!
Really not liking this bandwagon, especially Believer and Montmorency. Believer especially seems to have just jumped on both popular votes, not to mention he's third on the bandwagon. But then Monty comes along with an even weaker vote.
Unvote: PR, Vote: Montmorency
Ooh hold the telly. What's all this then?
No lynch is better for town. It gives us time to identify everyone. Of course, it's not good for the backlog of Mafia games. I just realized that recently.
What did I say in Swords and D20's III. Anyone here remember? What did I say?
And was I scum for saying it? Yeeeep.
No lynches are lame!
I'm guilty. Lynch me.
No lynches are lame. Wanna know why?
Nearly killed John D1
Nearly killed Montmorency D2
That's why. :smash:
Voting "no lynch" in the early game feeds right into mafia goals. The mafia wants to be the only ones killing early on so as to minimize the chance of early investigations identifying one. The time for "no lynch" votes, if ever, is in the mid to late game when investigation suspects have been narrowed. Moreover, your assumption of one mid-game lynch in your metric is optimistic in practice. Read over some of Sasaki's comments on the no lynch route.
Populus squirmed enough for now. Unvote: Populus; Vote: Montmorency.
You're just too willing to let the mafia set the pace. Believer too, with his minimal vote support and third on the bandwagon status, also bears some evaluation.
Here we go, call some bluffs.
unvote, vote: Montmorency
I'm doing the lazy strategy this time because I'm still disappoint.
Scan me tonight.
Monty wagon!!!
Meh. B_Ray. Haven't really been following up on this game so.........
Seems completely uninterested in the pressure on Monty.
Alright then, now that's clarified I'll
vote: Johhog
And, on a hunch (read: random guess as nobody has made a decent case yet)
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Me likey.
I think I will vote Ishmael because his hesitant play-it-safe attitude seems unfitting for a townie.
Interesting. And Seon was murdered promptly thereafter?
Maybe to frame Ishmael? :2thumbsup: After all, we already killed guy voting for Johnhughthom. Now we can't keep killing folks that vote for us, that would be rather obvious.
And what happens next? Vote was tied. By whom?
I'm not going to hunt through several thousand posts for this, so I'll take your word for it.
Unvote; Vote: PopulusRomanus
I thought we'd at least compromised on "better for mid-to-late game."
But but but but what happened to No Lynch?
Oh yeah, tying the vote makes it a No Lynch.
So, no consistent policy except to self-save. And he's voting to lynch a person who got scanned as a townie.
AND he's panicking! Oh I love it.
And Johhog has a good target.
Do I detect the sweet smell of perfect information syndrome and distancing, the heady mix of herbs and spices that leads me to believe you're both scum?
Yes, yes I do.
We are now honor-bound to defend each other to the death. We share a bond deeper than that known by any other men.
Snuggling the dude you tried to kill? Feeling rather exposed, aren't ya?
Indeed I have, but not who you think...
So Johhog thinks that it is Populus Romanus who was scum in that equation.
Well, close. But I'm not the one who's so far away.
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Johhog scans Populus Romanus and finds him townie.
He nearly had Montmorency, and John's distancing would have made him look good. Not to me, but you know, to like people who would believe it and junk.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=10167408#post10167408
jht needs to be investigated eventually.
GREAT IDEA.
Can't leta guy have a bit of fun, eh? I wasn't particularly serious about the No Lynch campaign, it came about by accident yesterday. I just noted that if patience and the Mafia schedule/calendar were not issues, we would be better off not lynching for a while.
But a veteran did say No Lynches were useful near the endgame, so we'll see when we get there.
Hear that, scum? MURDER ME AND IT STOPS
ROFLCOPTER!!!
WASN'T SERIOUS ABOUT THE NO LYNCH CAMPAIGN???? You argued harder for that than anything else this whole game.
LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG.
No death reveals, hadn't noticed that.
Vote: ATPG
A chance to discredit Memnon, Johhog, and Populus Romanus?
Sign me up, says scum John.
What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?
Vote: Johhog
For now.
Or you could lynch THIS scumbag.
That's what I'm saying. If you three are innocent, and Pizza is Mafia, then you will all (presumably) come up as Mafia.
I just don't know. Suggesting that I get the shirt here would be laughable, but I guess I will try.
Vote: Montmorency
Take a chance on me? :/
And that hurricane tweren't even a thang, the tornado did loads more damage.
You REALLY want that shirt, dontcha?
Don't you wish your buddies had a shirt like this?
holy crap, tl;dr
OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPG the Sacred Shirt?
Oh, B_ray.... you were doing so well.
Tsk tsk tsk.
You like the bad idea I had, but HATE the good idea I had? Such a shame.
I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.
There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?
Unvote: Populus Romanus
This is the scummiest post yet in the game.
You do remember that it is the host that reveals the result of the lynch, not the player himself? So there is no way for mafia to fudge up who's guilty. You deserve this lynch.
Unvote; Abstain
Vote: Montmorency
Holy poop, Believer is ON FIRE!!!
And I noted that if Pizza is Mafia, his scan of Memnon would likely mark him as Mafia. This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches on Memnon, Johhog, and Populus. Which would cost town the game.
Monty HATES me scanning Memnon. :laugh4: I love his unrealistic scare tactic "This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches" because obviously townies never change their minds over the course of three rounds?
Can't even keep their minds in one spot on ONE round.
What happens next? My unvote of Johhog actually spares Johhog
Johhog: 2 (JHT, Tratorix)
ATPG: 2 (B_Ray, Ishmael)
Memnon: 1 (ATPG)
Montmorency: 1 (Believer)
Warman: 1 (Memnon)
Abstain: 0
Not Voting: 6 (bestrfcplayer, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
You're welcome, Joh! :bow:
Sadly, I should have followed Believer.
Look who was voting for you, Johhog. Johnhughthom and Tratorix. At least one of those is a dirty scumbag.
So no lynch, and what happens next?
So you were scum, Pizzaboy! :grin2:
Re-he-he-he-he-he-eeeally? :mellow:
Got to this late on Sunday.
Interesting argument from pizza, and I agree it would be a deliciouslsy devious trick by Zack.
Surprisingly, for me, memnon voted for monty without much support and then when pressured, voted for warman....a second vote for little reason in the same round. Does seem like squirming to me.
I would've vote memnon
Really Seamus?
Monty looks scummier than Memnon during that exchange. :book:
So anyways.
1. Montmorency
2. Johnhughthom
3. Seamus Fermanagh or B_Ray
Yes Pizza, you need to get that fourth candidate. That will be half the players you'll have said are mafia, you've a great chance at being right with some of them and saying "See, see everybody, I was right. I'm Askthepizzaguy and I'm awesome." And stuff.
So, would WIFOM be an acceptable defence to you right now? Kinda, I wouldn't kill you if mafia and stuff like that. No? Okay.
Why are you so focused on four mafia?
How about we lynch Montmorency before Seamus Fermanagh? I'm more sure on him, or Johnhughthom.
Seamus could just be my coincidentally looks like a scumbag townie in between two scumbags.
And John, this is possibly the single scummiest post I've ever seen, anywhere, ever, ever, ever, ever.
I bet you 1,000 pizzaguy points that John is scum with Montmorency.
Less sure on Seamus.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 10:46
Just to reiterate, I'm much much more sure on John and Monty than I am on Seamus.
Scan Seamus, kill Monty or John.
I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).
Oh well, I'll blindly follow ATPG just to stand there like an idiot if he's wrong. :shifty:
UNVOTE: Seamus Fermanagh
VOTE: Montmorency
Scan Seamus then and if all goes as planned we lynch JHT tomorrow?
Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 11:04
Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.
Firstly, I just want to say you're awesome for even bothering to read all that.
As for Warman, his style of play is to not be particularly discussion-oriented. He will vote, usually, so he's not a worthless townie when he's townie.
You hear that Warman? Positive things to say.
That said, if he's scum, he's not going to leave a lot of tells other than his vote record. And he's leaving a vote record to examine.
See who flips scum, don't even bother scanning him yet. So far, his play reads okay to me. Not in the same style as a talker player, but still contributing in his own way.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 11:05
Oh well, I'll blindly follow ATPG just to stand there like an idiot if he's wrong. :shifty:
UNVOTE: Seamus Fermanagh
VOTE: Montmorency
Scan Seamus then and if all goes as planned we lynch JHT tomorrow?
Yes. This is a very good plan. I highly endorse it, I like it a lot.
Seamus is doing a scummy thing here or there, but others are doing way scummier things.
He warrants a scan, others warrant immediate death.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 11:06
I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).
It's fair enough Ishmael. I'm just pushing theories out there, I can't vote, and I can't stop you from doing your own thing.
Your objective as of right now is to find out which one is the best lynch that I'm not recommending. Don't leave it up to me to solve this, please by all means scum-hunt. It's pro-town of you to do so.
Find the scums, gimme reasons.
I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).
:smug:
Who talked you out of lynching me? Monty?
:smug:
Who talked you out of lynching me? Monty?
Myself :no:
I'll take a different approach to ATPG, and list the people I think aren't scum (no way that this will come back to bite me later, no sirree):
Ishmael :yes:
Believer
Bestrfcplayer
Tratorix
Yarapolk (most questionable of this lot, I don't really know his style)
I frankly can't be bothered to trawl through the thread to find evidence to support this list, and it's based entirely on intuition anyway. I'm also not really sold on B_Ray being scummy, but I'll refrain from making any judgement at present. Finally, I don't want to touch the scan results with a ten foot stick at the moment, considering all the weird mechanisms that have been bandied about - I'll let other people analyse those.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 11:40
I'll take a different approach to ATPG, and list the people I think aren't scum (no way that this will come back to bite me later, no sirree):
Ishmael :yes:
Believer
Bestrfcplayer
Tratorix
Yarapolk (most questionable of this lot, I don't really know his style)
I frankly can't be bothered to trawl through the thread to find evidence to support this list, and it's based entirely on intuition anyway. I'm also not really sold on B_Ray being scummy, but I'll refrain from making any judgement at present. Finally, I don't want to touch the scan results with a ten foot stick at the moment, considering all the weird mechanisms that have been bandied about - I'll let other people analyse those.
I believe you on Believer.
I believe you on Bestrfc (for now).
Yaropolk I'd scan, not lynch. He's leaving few tells for sure, and he's not very flinchy. But he's VERY good, I wouldn't count him out as scum based on this record this game. he's good enough to pull it off.
Tratorix, I get the scummy vibes from. His vote on Monty could be distancing, I'm anxious to see if he follows up this round on Monty.
As for yourself, getting better. But the vote on me plus the shirt still made no sense. :wink: That's going to haunt you if we don't end this game quickly, Ishmael.
Bear in mind that whilst I liked your idea of checking Memnon, I was seriously considering the possibility that you were Mafia pulling an all-or-nothing stunt that would either lynch you (but probably not your buddies), or win you all the game. Besides, I do play Mafia games for the purpose of enjoyment, and hence may not always do the most rational thing if it means I have fun (you'll note I was trying to break your 'streak' at the time :beam:).
There is no way that Monty and Tratorix is scum together though, scum don't want to create connections among themselves in thread, as they did when they self voted for shirt and agreed on an alliance.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 11:50
Bear in mind that whilst I liked your idea of checking Memnon, I was seriously considering the possibility that you were Mafia pulling an all-or-nothing stunt that would either lynch you (but probably not your buddies), or win you all the game. Besides, I do play Mafia games for the purpose of enjoyment, and hence may not always do the most rational thing if it means I have fun (you'll note I was trying to break your 'streak' at the time :beam:).
Yeah, but (secret notebook open) I currently have you marked down as scum for using the "gimme" reasoning. :wink:
So reverse that opinion. You've got 2 rounds.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 11:52
There is no way that Monty and Tratorix is scum together though, scum don't want to create connections among themselves in thread, as they did when they self voted for shirt and agreed on an alliance.
Well, to be fair, Monty wanted to agree on an alliance, I don't think Tratorix agreed to it.
And I agree, of the two, Monty is guilty and Trats is townie. But Tratorix is cunning as all heck, and you don't write HIM off for that move. It's evidence but not solid.
"Gimme" reasoning :inquisitive:? Would you be able to clarify that for me?
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 11:55
"Gimme" reasoning :inquisitive:? Would you be able to clarify that for me?
I literally gave you the reasons to vote for me, and you took them.
Opportunistic vote on a townie. That's why you must lynch scumbags from this point onward and solve the game soon, or I'll be calling for your investigation after Seamus comes back townie.
"Gimme" reasoning :inquisitive:? Would you be able to clarify that for me?
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day
I literally gave you the reasons to vote for me, and you took them.
Opportunistic vote on a townie. That's why you must lynch scumbags from this point onward and solve the game soon, or I'll be calling for your investigation after Seamus comes back townie.
Well I do tend to vote for people when there appears to be several valid reasons for them to be scum. But as long as you're calling for my investigation and not my summary lynching, that's fine by me.
@Johhog: Gotta love ABBA :beam:. That's one of their better songs too, IMO.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 12:29
Well I do tend to vote for people when there appears to be several valid reasons for them to be scum. But as long as you're calling for my investigation and not my summary lynching, that's fine by me.
@Johhog: Gotta love ABBA :beam:. That's one of their better songs too, IMO.
Okay, let's call your bluff.
Would you like to be investigated tonight by Populus Romanus?
Well, I'f he's got nobody better to go for, I may as well. I only recently discovered that if you die as town but the town wins, it still counts as a win in the statistics thread; so if te scum kill me due to being cleared, it's not all that bad.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 12:37
Well, I'f he's got nobody better to go for, I may as well. I only recently discovered that if you die as town but the town wins, it still counts as a win in the statistics thread; so if te scum kill me due to being cleared, it's not all that bad.
Well this sounds right, just want to double-check one thing.
Would you willingly volunteer to be the scanee for tonight? I have a feeling we're going to lynch you at some point, but clearing you would do wonders for the town's chances.
Seamus could be a blind lynch after Monty and Johnny. You, I'm feeling better about scanning.
If you're townie and you die, we didn't lynch you, which is great.
If you're townie and you don't die, you'll be the next one with the shirt.
It's an offer I insist you not refuse. :wink:
johnhughthom
08-30-2011, 12:38
Why can't I be scanned?
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 12:44
Why can't I be scanned?
:beam: There's no need.
I hate that I actually have a scan to use. I'd rather just guess.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-30-2011, 12:55
Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.
Ain't I always quiet? :laugh4::clown:
Firstly, I just want to say you're awesome for even bothering to read all that.
As for Warman, his style of play is to not be particularly discussion-oriented. He will vote, usually, so he's not a worthless townie when he's townie.
You hear that Warman? Positive things to say.
That said, if he's scum, he's not going to leave a lot of tells other than his vote record. And he's leaving a vote record to examine.
See who flips scum, don't even bother scanning him yet. So far, his play reads okay to me. Not in the same style as a talker player, but still contributing in his own way.
Sums me up just about right.
Vote: Warman
Isn't he usually active?
Define active.
I'll do my usual, which is Vote:WarmanCrazyName, and I'll also point out that I am town! Yippee! Although unfortunate that the one who stirred up the game and made it more interesting is dead... Requiescat in Pace, Pizza.(4 years of Latin!)
I'll also Vote: Populus Romanus, because that just makes sense
You giving me ideas for me name, you know that right? :balloon2:
Before we continue anymore, I think we need a tally of votes to make sure we don't get another accidental no-lynch, unfortunately, I have to run 9 miles soon, so if someone else could please do this. Interesting idea Pizzaguy, I wonder how many mafia we really have?
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2011, 14:09
Before we continue anymore, I think we need a tally of votes to make sure we don't get another accidental no-lynch, unfortunately, I have to run 9 miles soon, so if someone else could please do this. Interesting idea Pizzaguy, I wonder how many mafia we really have?
With a true investigation result (assuming townie uses it) expect there to be at least one or two additional scums over standard vanilla.
That means the goal is to make sure scums get the shirt. That's one reason why Monty looks so bad right now.
I have to nap now but a tally would be useful. I do know if you vote for Montmorency you'll be pushing the tally away from a tie.
IIRC the tally is like Seamus 2, Monty 2, Yaropolk 2, Warman 2 or something.
Switch your votes to Montmorency.
Yaropolk
08-30-2011, 14:45
I actually like Pizza's analysis on Seamus better. Unvote; Vote: Seamus
Also, I am sure there will be a twist to the investigations with the shirt. I dont know whether it always returns innocent or whether scum can decide their own results, but something will definitely be up, believe me. For that purpose I'd like to have a second chain of investigations independent of the first.
I am asking for the shirt with the promise that I will investigate the person who gets the 2nd most lynches (so the most suspicious person that's not lynched). I am sure in my own innocence and this will give me some insight into what the shirt actually does. For the rest of you it should give some comfort that I am not going to direct the lynch in private but will let democracy decide.
Yaropolk
08-30-2011, 14:46
I meant 2nd most lynch votes* Also don't take this as me protecting Montmorency, if he's the second most voted person, I will investigate him.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-30-2011, 15:37
Interesting case, pizza. You are underplaying the value of your earlier analyses in swaying my votes. Some of my willingness to lean on Pop and Memnon was a direct result of your "wouldn't it be a neat trick if the mafia had the shirt" line of argument. Your getting whacked along with the results leads me now, as it did you, to trust the shirt results more. Remember, too, pizza that I am nowhere near as prolific a poster in any mafia as I was in my first 2-3 games. I can probably be caught out as in a power role if I am signficantly more frequent, but a 1.5 per phase rate is probably about normal for me anymore.
Lynch me if you must folks, tis part of the game, but I am not mafia this time through.
Actually, pizza, i think your arguments against jht are more on track than the others, though I admit that is based on my remembrances of his relatively low post count style and that he seems more active in this one. That could be, in part, because of your quoting him, but I don't think so. Anyway...
Vote: Populus Romanus for the shirt, and
Vote: Montmorency for the hempen jig.
Whoever ends up with the shirt should check one of the three pizza has put the spotlight on. One of the three will no longer trouble anyone.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-30-2011, 16:37
Did I already vote by the way?
Populus Romanus
08-30-2011, 19:08
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Populus Romanus
08-30-2011, 19:14
I love Pizza in the day-phase. Tastes like...victory.
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 20:09
Well Pizza, all I can say is that I can't wait for the end of this one. If you're Mafia, then I'll understand your reputation. If you were town, then I'll just shake my head in embarrasssment for you. Your analysis is somewhat flawed.
First, on my argument for you as Mafia.
Memnon is Mafia, gets shirt. Scans Johhog (another Mafioso) as town. Johhog does same to Populus, who is Mafia. You scan Memnon, he is clear. On the same night, the other three kill you to secure themselves permanently. That was what I repeated in 2 or 3 posts.
There's not enough mafia scumbags to complete the chain.
It means if player Populus scans goes ahead and scans Memnon or Johhog, and it turns out that player is mafia, then there is no debate, there is no discussion. It means I was mafia for the false scan on memnon, and Memnon was mafia for falsely scanning Johhog.
If we're going by the Mafia-get-opposite-scan-results mechanic, then Populus will get a Mafia result for whomever he scans. That's the whole point: POPULUS CAN'T BE TRUSTED IN THIS SCENARIO.
All you have to do is scan Memnon or Johhog with whoever Populus Romanus scans. It's impossible for the scums to keep up the charade at that point, because A townie would have had to scan A mafia before then, or else Populus Romanus' scanee is going to find mafia for reals, and that scanee is going to be townie as well, since there's not enough scums to complete the chain.
If Populus is Mafia, and he scans someone else as Mafia...
This is why I really don't want Populus to get the shirt.
So, you're smearing my good name after I'm dead, by insisting I followed a plan that is extremely absurd and I just destroyed with my own words.
You destroyed a strawman. It's not absurd, it's just convoluted. And you know what? You're the kind of guy who could pull it off. If this was the Mafia plan, then I'm sure you're the one who first suggested it.
Scummy to want the shirt? Everyone wants or wanted the shirt. Even you. You'll notice that I quickly changed my vote to Populus, which one could probably say is scumy. But it's really just naivete. Read my posts and you'll find that I was under the impression that I would have the right of way for the next day phase. :shrug:
Unvote; Vote: Yaropolk
Instead of Populus, alright?
Pizza (dramatization): AHA, you're snuggling up to Yaropolk.
I sure as hell am. I'd like someone less worrisome to have the shirt now.
This quote, on the other hand, is a textbook scumtell.
Nope, but yours is! :smug: And on and on...
LOOKIE WHO IT IS!
Guess Seamus and Montmorency dinn't want Johnny to die, eh? eh? EH???
TLD voted himself here. He would have been lynched anyway (5-2 without me). I just wanted to use those cheesy lines.
Plus, you're really abusing the first round here. You simply cannot use it for serious analysis.
Askthepizzaguy: I know there is much we can learn from each other if we can negotiate a truce. We can find a way to coexist. Can there be a peace between us?
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Hint: It's exactly-who-you-think-it-is' alphabetical precedent.
Montmorency: Peeeeeacccce....... No peeeeeeaccce....
Askthepizzaguy: What is it you want us to do?
Montmorency: Dieeeeee....... Di-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-eeeeee.......
Seriously? We never even spoke before Round what, 3? And that post wasn't referring to you. And it was Day 1.
What did I say in Swords and D20's III. Anyone here remember? What did I say?
And was I scum for saying it? Yeeeep.
Oh? What did you say? Please, do tell.
But but but but what happened to No Lynch?
Oh yeah, tying the vote makes it a No Lynch.
So, no consistent policy except to self-save. And he's voting to lynch a person who got scanned as a townie.
I genuinely did not realize that I was in any danger, if you'll check my posts at the end of that day. I only had a couple of votes on me, after all. No Lynch? You just addressed that, man! I accepted Seamus' rebuke here. Consistent policy? This happened once.
Snuggling the dude you tried to kill? Feeling rather exposed, aren't ya?
You keep picking on my joke posts. Seriously, can't you come up with anything better?
ROFLCOPTER!!!
WASN'T SERIOUS ABOUT THE NO LYNCH CAMPAIGN???? You argued harder for that than anything else this whole game.
I understood that No Lynch was not possible. I just tried to elaborate on why, given unlimited playing time, No Lynch would statistically be better for town. I mentioned it - Tratorix and I argued about it - Seamus told me off - I gave up. There you go.
Monty HATES me scanning Memnon. I love his unrealistic scare tactic "This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches" because obviously townies never change their minds over the course of three rounds?
Can't even keep their minds in one spot on ONE round.
You're right! WE CAN'T. Notice that this was before I came up with the teamkill idea. Yeah, guess what: I come up with new things as the game goes on. :shocked:
What happens next? My unvote of Johhog actually spares Johhog
Holy crap, you caused a no-lynch. You must be scum-buddies with Johhog! You might notice that this is the argument you used for me and John being scum-buddies. And it doesn't hold up, even with other players in the equation. If I think you and Johhog were scum-buddies, it's for other reasons.
Re-he-he-he-he-he-eeeally?
Another joke comment. This referred to the way you "cackled maniacally" in the writeup.
I bet you 1,000 pizzaguy points that John is scum with Montmorency.
Make it 10000 points and I'll take you up on it. I wonder how you'll twist this particular comment against me. :/
For the record, if you felt that Seamus was leading me on about No Lynches, then why the heck didn't you say anything? Eh?
Finally, give Yaropolk the shirt.
Populus Romanus
08-30-2011, 20:18
Memnon is Mafia, gets shirt. Scans Johhog (another Mafioso) as town. Johhog does same to Populus, who is Mafia. You scan Memnon, he is clear. On the same night, the other three kill you to secure themselves permanently. That was what I repeated in 2 or 3 posts.
Why would the mafia murder their partner? That is ridiculus in this scenario.
POPULUS CAN'T BE TRUSTED IN THIS SCENARIO. Then why did you at first vote it to me? You have bandwagoned the entire game, except for when you are at risk of lynch. Then you start trying to look like a townie. You have never put forward one of these cases when you aren't at risk of lynch.
Unvote, Vote: Montmorency
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 20:46
I put it forward yesterday. I was never at risk of lynch yesterday.
The Mafia would murder their partner because, well, ok; let's just hypothetically say you're Mafia. Hmmm, you certainly seem to have come out of it looking pretty good, eh? You're even about to get the shirt.
Then why did you at first vote it to me?
Explained it. Wanted to make myself seem less threatening to you (Mafia). Figured that I'd get the shirt the next day when my predictions came true. Then realized that stating my predictions aloud had comprimsed them.
Believer
08-30-2011, 20:50
I put it forward yesterday. I was never at risk of lynch yesterday.
The Mafia would murder their partner because, well, ok; let's just hypothetically say you're Mafia. Hmmm, you certainly seem to have come out of it looking pretty good, eh? You're even about to get the shirt.
Explained it. Wanted to make myself seem less threatening to you (Mafia). Figured that I'd get the shirt the next day when my predictions came true. Then realized that stating my predictions aloud had comprimsed them.
ATPG's death all but confirms his town identity.
It's time to bite the apple, scum.
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 21:12
Well, if people won't even read what I have to say...
Guys, we don't want another accidental no lynch, we need to decide.
Personally I think Monty is the best lynch and that Seamus is a good investigation target, but that's just me.
Tratorix
08-30-2011, 21:36
Gah, sorry I missed the pizza party guys. Been a hectic day, I'll try and make it up next day phase. I'll toss a vote on Montmorency for now, as of the candidates an hour from the deadline I like the case against him best, though I had to skim most of today's posts. :embarassed:
Vote: Montmorency
I'll be around for the next hour or so, so someone speak up if we're close to a tie. Don't want another wasted lynch.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-30-2011, 21:37
Unvote,Vote: Montmorency
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 22:30
Can't you just have Populus scan me, then? I turn up Mafia, and you all will feel really good about lynching me.
How about it, huh? Since you trust the guy so very much?
Argh, I tried to keep a tally but I got Montmorency and Seamus mixed up, so I gave up on that. However, in the interests of preventing a last minute no lynch, I'll
unvote, vote: Montmorency
Incidentally Pizza, yes I do willingly volunteer to be the scanned person tonight, although it's obviously Populus Romanus' decision in the end.
Populus Romanus
08-30-2011, 22:53
I think I shall scan JHT, for he has insulted my honor.
Vote: PoopyRomanYOU'RE GOING DOWN SCUMBAG! I will sneak into your room tonight, and I will take a dump in your empty bed, which will be empty because you're a MURDERER. Who'll be poopy then, huh? WHO'LL BE POOPY THEN!
Montmorency
08-30-2011, 23:06
Welp, alright. Look out John, this guy's onto you. Our days are numbered.
And hey, Yaropolk: pssst! Didn't you get the memo? You've gotta vote me, or else town will figure that there's a connection between us! On the other hand, don't. They'll say you're just trying to distance yourself from me, and that it's scummy to get on a bandwagon late.
Oh no! There's nothing us scum can do here! We're finished. We might as well give ourselves up.
You giving me ideas for me name, you know that right? :balloon2:
NOOOO! I'm sorry world! Anyways, it looks like Monty's going down, although I haven't kept a record, so just to be sure Unvote,Vote:Montmorency
As for who to scan, I'd agree with Populus, john would be a good scanee, but I'd also like one for Tratorix eventually
Round over, write-up is coming.
TALLY:
Montmorency: 8 (Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, Memnon, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Tratorix, Warman)
Seamus: 2 (johnhughthom, Yaropolk)
Warman: 1 (Montmorency)
Yaropolk: 1 (B_Ray)
Abstain: 0
Not Voting: 1 (bestrfcplayer)
bestrfcplayer has been replaced by Visorslash. (Not quite official; waiting for Visor's confirmation.)
TALLY:
Populus Romanus: 8 (B_Ray, Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, johnhughthom, Memnon, Populus Romanus, Seamus)
Yaropolk: 2 (Montmorency, Yaropolk)
Tratorix: 1 (Tratorix)
Not Voting: 2 (bestrfcplayer, Warman)
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 01:03
I'll assume that Visorslash is town since I doubt bestrfcplayer would let himself be replaced if he was mafia.
Another of their friends had died the previous night, and it seemed like no progress was being made towards finding the killer(s). The previous two days, no consensus had been reached on who to kill, resulting in the death of no one.
Today was different.
First, everyone wanted to kill Seamus, but eventually the tide turned to Montmorency. He tried every possible form of defense, minus lightsaber combat and Cover 2, but still found himself on the wrong end of accusation by the end of the day.
Numerous players: "Any last words, Monty?"
Montmorency: "No. Wait, I spoke. So yes, technically. Although, does it really count? It certainly wasn't intentional, and I think we can-"
Numerous players: "Oh shut up!"
Eight of Montmorency's closest friends descended on him like a pack of wolves, pun intended, while the remaining persons turned away in disgust at the barbarity. When the pack was done, Monty's bloody corpse was dragged into the bathtub, where it was piled up on top of several other dead bodies.
Warman: "You know, we really should have picked a different place to put those. The lot of you smell bloody terrible."
Shrugging and rolling their eyes, the men trotted off to their rooms.
One of them for the last time.
It is now NIGHT FOUR!
ALIVE:
[12]
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon -- Scanned Town (N3)
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[2]
TheLastDays (D1)
Montmorency (D4)
KILLED:
[3]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
Askthepizzaguy (N3)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[4]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
ATPG (N3)
Populus Romanus -- current wearer
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 01:09
I'll assume that Visorslash is town since I doubt bestrfcplayer would let himself be replaced if he was mafia.
It's happened before.
Also, congrats to Pizza. You really can call out a mafioso. :evil:
Tratorix
08-31-2011, 01:17
It's happened before.
Also, congrats to Pizza. You really can call out a mafioso. :evil:
If you're not joking, this is a really bad decision.
I'll assume that Visorslash is town since I doubt bestrfcplayer would let himself be replaced if he was mafia.
I've both hosted and played in plenty of games with inactive scums. Inactivity doesn't indicate town or mafia.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 01:32
If you're not joking, this is a really bad decision.
But I'm already dead, so it doesn't matter what I say. :yes:
Believer
08-31-2011, 02:08
But I'm already dead, so it doesn't matter what I say. :yes:
In my experience, dead players often win games for their team. As long as a dead person doesn't break the rules by stating something like team mates or other stupid things, it's really a win-win situation to talk while dead.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 02:14
Such as, say, ATPG? He definitely has won this game.
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 02:26
Such as, say, ATPG? He definitely has won this game.I smell WIFOM
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 02:30
That's what I've been saying all along. :wink:
Double A
08-31-2011, 03:23
Your wine sucks. I want my money back.
The main reason I think john is scum is because he said that nasty thing about me and then I died. That's the only thing I can think of why I was killed. Unless it was just to get rid of a vote...
Anyway, scan johnny boy tomorrow night. Or tonight. But soon.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 04:36
Hello folks, sorry I'm.... late. :eyebrows:
Dead jokes! I love em!
I have many posts to respond to. Thanks for the benefit of the doubt and the lynch on Montmorency. I'll offer my opinion but I won't be nearly as insistent from now on, because I honestly do want to help town win, but I do not want to be the guy running around beating people upside the head either to accuse them or get them to work with me.
You guys do your thing.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 04:39
I actually like Pizza's analysis on Seamus better. Unvote; Vote: Seamus
Also, I am sure there will be a twist to the investigations with the shirt. I dont know whether it always returns innocent or whether scum can decide their own results, but something will definitely be up, believe me. For that purpose I'd like to have a second chain of investigations independent of the first.
No, regardless of who you think is scum, this is a discussion we can have, and I can prove my point mathematically.
There's room for disagreement on suspects, but if there's any doubt that the single chain method is superior, I'll put it to rest.
I am asking for the shirt with the promise that I will investigate the person who gets the 2nd most lynches (so the most suspicious person that's not lynched). I am sure in my own innocence and this will give me some insight into what the shirt actually does. For the rest of you it should give some comfort that I am not going to direct the lynch in private but will let democracy decide.
You get the shirt if you're scanned townie. Do you want to be scanned tonight, Yaropolk?
If you're scanned, you're townie, you get the shirt, okay? You have nothing to lose, so I can't for the life of me imagine why you'd decline.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 04:43
Interesting case, pizza. You are underplaying the value of your earlier analyses in swaying my votes. Some of my willingness to lean on Pop and Memnon was a direct result of your "wouldn't it be a neat trick if the mafia had the shirt" line of argument. Your getting whacked along with the results leads me now, as it did you, to trust the shirt results more. Remember, too, pizza that I am nowhere near as prolific a poster in any mafia as I was in my first 2-3 games. I can probably be caught out as in a power role if I am signficantly more frequent, but a 1.5 per phase rate is probably about normal for me anymore.
Seamus I respect you too much to let you get away with lurking. For you, in a vanilla game, that means deviousness is behind it most likely.
Yeah, RL can slow you down, and maybe you're not as talkative as before. But if that's the case, I expect each post you do have time to make to be of game-winning quality for the town. To expect less of you is to be a fool, really.
Lynch me if you must folks, tis part of the game, but I am not mafia this time through.
I'm still wavering on you. The case on you was the weakest, it's too easy to explain by coincidence. And not unlikely coincidences either.
Actually, pizza, i think your arguments against jht are more on track than the others, though I admit that is based on my remembrances of his relatively low post count style and that he seems more active in this one. That could be, in part, because of your quoting him, but I don't think so. Anyway...
Vote: Populus Romanus for the shirt, and
Vote: Montmorency for the hempen jig.
Whoever ends up with the shirt should check one of the three pizza has put the spotlight on. One of the three will no longer trouble anyone.
Ishmael, Yaropolk, or Johnhughthom all works for me. But I encourage the detective to try to hit the townie among them, if possible; because clearing a top suspect AS TOWNIE would mean the chain can continue unbroken.
Hitting scum is actually not as desire-able to me in this bizarre circumstance. But I'll take it, assuming we're scanning someone we were going to lynch anyway.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 04:47
Can't you just have Populus scan me, then? I turn up Mafia, and you all will feel really good about lynching me.
How about it, huh? Since you trust the guy so very much?
I'll get to Monty's other stuff later, here I need to address this:
Scumbags want to get scanned at this point if they're going to be lynched anyway.
Because, it means that someone will be scanned as scum, and they won't be able to get the shirt.... a townie won't be able to wield it.
it means we will have to guess who is townie, and it could land on a scum and we won't be able to trust the shirt's results for the remainder of the game.
That is worth sacrificing Monty for.
They need the chain to break, that is how they can still win the game. If we don't break the chain, we force a win.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 04:53
It's happened before.
Also, congrats to Pizza. You really can call out a mafioso. :evil:
Well, if you're townie, you're going to have your fellow players eat you alive after the game for saying this.
Never do this if you're townie.
As for your point: Yes, I can. I can also really call out a townie and really get them lynched and really ruin games that way.
The Pizza is a loaded weapon, if I aim it incorrectly, bad things happen for my team. Lately, more bad than good, so I have some catching up to do.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 04:57
Such as, say, ATPG? He definitely has won this game.
I smell the WIFOM as well.
I think it fair to say that I was right on Monty. If we can continue the chain unbroken, I'll take blind lynches. We win that way by brute force now.
If we hit a scumbag tonight via the scan, things get a bit trickier. We really have to work hard to guess correctly who to give the shirt to tomorrow if so. But, at least we'll have two dead scums in 2 day phases.
For the paranoid, that means for the "plan" to work, I'd have to be dead scum, Monty'd have to be dead scum, person scanned as scum tomorrow has to be dead scum, and Memnon at the very least has to be dead scum.
That means 4 dead scums, or "THIS PLAN? IT NO WORKY".
So the Pizza as mafia scanning Memnon plan no worky. Toss out idea, since Monty confessed and Memnon would be your final mafioso in that case.
I'm crazy, but I'm not a maroon.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 05:08
I smell the WIFOM as well.
For the paranoid, that means for the "plan" to work, I'd have to be dead scum, Monty'd have to be dead scum, person scanned as scum tomorrow has to be dead scum, and Memnon at the very least has to be dead scum.
That means 4 dead scums, or "THIS PLAN? IT NO WORKY".
So the Pizza as mafia scanning Memnon plan no worky. Toss out idea, since Monty confessed and Memnon would be your final mafioso in that case.
I'm crazy, but I'm not a maroon.
Wait, what? I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
I'll get to Monty's other stuff later, here I need to address this:
Scumbags want to get scanned at this point if they're going to be lynched anyway.
Because, it means that someone will be scanned as scum, and they won't be able to get the shirt.... a townie won't be able to wield it.
it means we will have to guess who is townie, and it could land on a scum and we won't be able to trust the shirt's results for the remainder of the game.
That is worth sacrificing Monty for.
They need the chain to break, that is how they can still win the game. If we don't break the chain, we force a win.
Welp, here's tomorrow. If you and the 3 scanned are Mafia, then tomorrow's scan will presumably be Mafia no matter what. If I was mistaken here and you're all town (the only other possibility), it can go either way. So: if the scan is town tomorrow, this means that I was utterly and foolishly wrong. However, it's totally your fault for getting me riled up and putting all sorts of weird ideas into my head with your tricksy posterings and doing nothing to dispel them (instead choosing to go all out against me; more or less OMGUS really). Loaded weapon indeed.
Well, if you're townie, you're going to have your fellow players eat you alive after the game for saying this.
Never do this if you're townie.
Why? If we're both town, it's you they should reproach.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 05:21
Wait, what? I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
Oh, okay, Monty "Mafioso" Confessington wants me to rephrase? Very well.
Let me utterly tear apart the delusional paranoia that is me being scum right now, fantasy by outrageous fantasy:
1) My team will have needed the ability to murder themselves. That plus a detective device which isn't reliable? A bit too many cards in the scums favor.
2) I know I'm townie, so it's obviously not ME you're trying to convince. That leaves the folks out there who you just told you were guilty to. Good luck, and stuff.
3) But let's play pretend. I'm scum.... so my plan was to clear Memnon. Why? I die to clear a townie? Nah. I die to clear a scum, so he's scum.
a) Pizza and Memnon are now scum. And I'm DEAD.
b) Monty "Mafioso" Confessington is now townie in this scenario. Bravo and well done, townie.
c) So unless Memnon "cleared" Johhog (which means my whole team left it a tie between me and Johhog for the lynch... and then murdered me) Johhog is townie.
d) Johhog is townie means that Populus is townie.
e) Which means that Populus is townie scans a townie means THAT player is townie.
f) blind lynches continue and the chain continues, and no scum team is that large as to have each scanee be wolf. So what does that mean?
g) the END OF THE CHAIN IS ALWAYS TRUSTWORTHY........
h) SCAN MEMNON.
i) He's townie. Wanna know how I know? Because I'm townie!!!! GASP! GASP!!! And now, in French: le GASP!!!!!
j) Alternative scenario. Pizza and Memnon and Johhog and Populus are all mafia. So that means WHOEVER POPULUS SCANS, that person is townie.
k) If Populus scans that person and he says they're townie, that person can scan Memnon. That person's results are trustworthy because there's not 5 mafiosi or you're already boned, dude.
l) once again, the end of the chain is always trustworthy.... even if the scumbags form the beginning of the chain. You make the chain long enough, and have it loop back around, it is IMPOSSIBLE for scums to hide within the chain
m) And I was the one who pointed it out.
n) And you confessed to being mafia.
o) And you confessed to being mafia.
p) And you confessed to being mafia.
q) And you confessed to being mafia.
r) And you confessed to being mafia.
s) And you confessed to being mafia.
t) And you confessed to being mafia.
u) And you confessed to being mafia.
v) And you confessed to being mafia.
w) And you confessed to being mafia.
x) And you confessed to being mafia.
y) And you confessed to being mafia.
z) And you confessed to being mafia.
Why? If we're both town, it's you they should reproach.
See points N through Z as to why it would be you they'd reproach.
DRUNK POST WARNING:
No idea what's going on, but I've been ROFLBURGERing at ATPV and Montmorcey for a while now! You two are keeping this game alive for me. Volcano, if you're scum, you win my heart. Montmerency, if you're scum, you win my heart. If you're both scums, you win everything. Forever. :2thumbsup: Zack, you said "Cover 2" in the write-up, and I thought it was hillarious! :bounce: Seamus man, what are you even doing? You're not even hosting Capo yet and you're all quiet. Why? I want more Seamus! (I can't find the hammer gavel icon, but I wanted to put it here)
:laugh4:
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 05:31
I confessed because I am mafia. I thought that was obvious.
Aha, I kept thinking, "Maybe he's just not -"
If Populus scans that person and he says they're townie
See, that's where we differ in the hypothetical. I specifically mentioned a prerequisite: that the shirt mechanic be reversed for Mafia (Mafia scans Mafia as Town and vice versa).
So the idea was that whoever Populus scans turns up as Mafia. That guy gets lynched. Now yes, after that happens the next person who gets the shirt is townie. But see, why would anyone else scan one of that trio, after you so *valiantly* sacrificed yourself to clear them? And so Town reaches endgame, realizes that it's been tricked, and dies outnumbered.
That's what I'm asking you to refute.
See, I came up with this on the fly and casually mentioned it as, "Wait, what if Mafia takes the WIFOM to another level." So you could have nullified this nascent suspicion by just addressing it directly. Instead, you made jokes and skirted around it. And so I kept repeating it, growing more suspicious by the hour. And then you blasted me with a massive OMGUS accusation. "Hey, guys, what if Pizza and those 3 are really Mafia? Any thoughts here?" Pizza: "YOU THINK Memnon, Johhog, and Populus ARE MAFIA?! DIE.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 05:35
DRUNK POST WARNING:
Volcano, if you're scum, you win my heart. Montmerency, if you're scum, you win my heart. If you're both scums, you win everything.
:laugh4:
If we're both Town, revoke our Gameroom access.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 05:46
I confessed because I am mafia. I thought that was obvious.
Aha, I kept thinking, "Maybe he's just not -"
See, that's where we differ in the hypothetical. I specifically mentioned a prerequisite: that the shirt mechanic be reversed for Mafia (Mafia scans Mafia as Town and vice versa).
So the idea was that whoever Populus scans turns up as Mafia. That guy gets lynched. Now yes, after that happens the next person who gets the shirt is townie. But see, why would anyone else scan one of that trio, after you so *valiantly* sacrificed yourself to clear them? And so Town reaches endgame, realizes that it's been tricked, and dies outnumbered.
That's what I'm asking you to refute.
See, I came up with this on the fly and casually mentioned it as, "Wait, what if Mafia takes the WIFOM to another level." So you could have nullified this nascent suspicion by just addressing it directly. Instead, you made jokes and skirted around it. And so I kept repeating it, growing more suspicious by the hour. And then you blasted me with a massive OMGUS accusation. "Hey, guys, what if Pizza and those 3 are really Mafia? Any thoughts here?" Pizza: "YOU THINK Memnon, Johhog, and Populus ARE MAFIA?! DIE.
Okay! How about THIS, scumball:
For Populus Romanus to FALSELY SCAN someone as mafia, that means Pizza through Populus must ALL be guilty.
Which means what.
That means we could give Believer the shirt. Or Tratorix. Or Visorslash. And what will happen? They scan Memnon. And since Pizza through Populus must ALL be guilty for Populus' scan to be false, Memnon flips townie completely destroys that theory, because for Pizza through Populus to be mafia, that leaves too many scums for anyone else to be mafia.
Once again, scanning Memnon wins the game. And it happens next round. Sounds like my whole plan is pretty :daisy:ed right now, since it can never work, ever!
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 05:48
And like the man said, don't ever do that confession thing when you're townie. That damages the town way worse than a blind lynch on suspected townie Montmorency, for obvious reasons.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 05:56
For Populus Romanus to FALSELY SCAN someone as mafia, that means Pizza through Populus must ALL be guilty.
Yes, finally.
That means we could give Believer the shirt. Or Tratorix. Or Visorslash. And what will happen? They scan Memnon. And since Pizza through Populus must ALL be guilty for Populus' scan to be false, Memnon flips townie completely destroys that theory, because for Pizza through Populus to be mafia, that leaves too many scums for anyone else to be mafia.
Once again, scanning Memnon wins the game. And it happens next round. Sounds like my whole plan is pretty ed right now, since it can never work, ever!
It can't, can't it? No one but me believes it. And that's absolutely right. 55 hours from now, the next guy should scan Memnon. That would prove me wrong. I would admit it, say it straight. And that's what I was asking for during the day phase. Don't give Populus the shirt. Give it to me instead. No? Ok, fine, let him have it, but please rescan one of them the next round. Look, Yaropolk's a good choice here, let's do it! Oh, you want to lynch me. Huh.
But will Memnon or one of the others be rescanned? I'll believe it when I see it. No one's taking this seriously.
Don't forget - we could have had this exchange a day ago, and I would have dropped it. You are to blame for everything.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 05:56
And like the man said, don't ever do that confession thing when you're townie. That damages the town way worse than a blind lynch on suspected townie Montmorency, for obvious reasons.
Not seeing it. Explain to simple Monty.
Tratorix
08-31-2011, 05:57
And like the man said, don't ever do that confession thing when you're townie. That damages the town way worse than a blind lynch on suspected townie Montmorency, for obvious reasons.
It's not a good move either way. If I was mafia and one of my team revealed after their lynch I'd by pretty mad. It basically says ""Hey townies, you're on the right track! Keep following this line of investigation!"
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 05:59
Sure, but why is it bad for town? Because they'll actually lap it up? More's the pity for them.
Tratorix
08-31-2011, 06:04
Sure, but why is it bad for town? Because they'll actually lap it up? More's the pity for them.
If someone is town, they shouldn't try and mislead the town. I can't make it any simpler.
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 06:10
I can feel death closing in around me...the shirt brings power, yes, but it also be brings attention, lethal attention. I fear this may be my last night on earth, if the murder of the pizzaman is anything to go by. I must keep close to the shirt. It will protect me...save me...but only for a day.:uhoh:
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 06:12
Oh well. I'll sleep off the first-lynch disappointment and we'll kiss and make up.
I can feel death closing in around me...the shirt brings power, yes, but it also be brings attention, lethal attention. I fear this may be my last night on earth, if the murder of the pizzaman is anything to go by. I must keep close to the shirt. It will protect me...save me...but only for a day.
This is what you should have said half an hour before the phase's end.
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 06:17
This is what you should have said half an hour before the phase's end.It is better to die with the shirt than to die without it. I'm doomed to either fate, because I highly doubt the Mafia would be foolish enough to allow a confirmed townie like myself survive to endgame.:no:
Secret role... XD
Kill: Populus Romanus
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 06:40
Ha! I'll hide in the bathtub (full of bodies)! They'll never find me there.:curtain:
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 07:24
They need the chain to break, that is how they can still win the game. If we don't break the chain, we force a win.The chain breaks when we find a mafia. That is their chance.
Incidentally guys, I noted in the write-up that specifically 8 people (of 12) executed Montmorency. It seems an odd detail to include if it's irrelevant, so I thought it might refer to the number of scum left or something. Of course, bestrfcplayer had only just been replaced, so that might play into it. Thoughts?
EDIT: Never mind, just noticed there were 8 votes for Montmorency. Ignore the raving nutter in the corner.
Incidentally guys, I noted in the write-up that specifically 8 people (of 12) executed Montmorency. It seems an odd detail to include if it's irrelevant, so I thought it might refer to the number of scum left or something. Of course, bestrfcplayer had only just been replaced, so that might play into it. Thoughts? 8 scums left... I was going to say other things, but scumbag suits me fine.
SCUMBAG!
johnhughthom
08-31-2011, 07:40
Ignore the raving nutter in the corner.
Only if you stay in the corner.:boink:
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 07:42
8 scums left... I was going to say other things, but scumbag suits me fine.
SCUMBAG!You posted via mobile device! This is grounds for execution.
It's worth bringing up. Why in the world would you bring that up? 8 scums in a (I think) 17 player game. That measn if you don't lynch right on the first day you lose. Jeez, I know you're not stupid, or at least I don't think you are so I think you're trying to :daisy: with us. Scumbag.
You posted via mobile device! This is grounds for execution.
Do it. See how far it gets you. Technically its right, as I can move my laptop, but whatever.
Of course, bestrfcplayer had only just been replaced, so that might play into it.
What the hell is this? Are you trying to spout :daisy: for no reason? I've seen you play before, and this is weird compared to Vespasian. Don't know what you are trying to do by this.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 07:49
For the record, I'm sorry I got you lynched in Vespasian, Populus.
:evilgrin:
I'm not. Saved gibbo for another round. :tongue: Damned inactives.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 07:52
Don't forget - we could have had this exchange a day ago, and I would have dropped it. You are to blame for everything.
Ugh, if you're actually townie, this is a particularly spectacular failure in progress.
We'll need to stick to the scanee chain if we're to have much hope of reversing it. Like I said, even blind lynches favor us of the chain of scans continues here.
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 07:56
Ugh, if you're actually townie, this is a particularly spectacular failure in progress.
We'll need to stick to the scanee chain if we're to have much hope of reversing it. Like I said, even blind lynches favor us of the chain of scans continues here.The scan chain will break soon, it is only a matter of time before a mafia is detected and when that happens we will not have a secure townie to hand the shirt off to. The mafia will then have their chance to infiltrate the chain and begin spreading confusion.
Options:
1. The shirt is legit, reveals mafia and townie. More scums than usual.
2. Reveals everyone as town, ergo useless.
3. Reveals a person according to the day they've been scanned. (Every fourth scannee is mafia, etc).
4. The shirt needs a double scan on mafiosi.
5. Mafia scanning mafia equal town.
6. Mafia scan town equal mafia.
Probably some more but theses are the options worth considering.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 08:01
So intentionally scan someone you think is townie, mister Populus.
We'll blind lynch the rest, or find out something very surprising.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 08:04
Ugh, if you're actually townie, this is a particularly spectacular failure in progress.
Well, at least I'm spectacular at something.
Monty, you're being more useless than me. :P
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 08:08
Pretty sure he was mafia, otherwise why would he be so intentionally confusing.
That's not the way he plays either, in my opinion. SO you may be right.
Gotta say no lynches also help the mafia, though they can be helpful, we need lynches for analysis. And if the scumbags know that the shirt is useless and a gimmick to trick the town, they might suggest it.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 08:17
That's not the way he plays either, in my opinion. SO you may be right.
In both Vespasian and The Thing I was town, and yet my play style for the first just doesn't compare to the other's. I guess I tailor it to suit my moods. The one common denominator is that I talk too much.
Very different situations.
THough we're both guilty of the talking too much.
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 08:20
So intentionally scan someone you think is townie, mister Populus.
We'll blind lynch the rest, or find out something very surprising.I believe the shirt should be used to find mafia, not townies. We already have plenty of those identified.
I believe the shirt should be used to find mafia, not townies. We already have plenty of those identified.
So you think. The shirt is useless in my opinion.
So you think. The shirt is useless in my opinion.
I must say, I'm leaning towards the view that the shirt does exactly what we were told, and that Zack is laughing at us all as we think up more and more convoluted theories. It's worth noting that nobody overtly scummy has been scanned yet.
TheLastDays
08-31-2011, 09:31
Very different situations.
THough we're both guilty of the talking too much.
Pffff. amateurs. Look at Netherworld for someone who really talks too much :tongue:
Well, I haven't followed this game as closely as I usually do, being lynched on D1 and all but I don't think the shirt is completely useless. It would be a total :daisy: move from the host to set the whole game up around a fake claim... :sweatdrop:
Pffff. amateurs. Look at Netherworld for someone who really talks too much
I'm worse when I get going. On Day 3 of Music mafia I had around 90ish posts by that time. :/ Over 300 in ATPG mafia II.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 09:46
653 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=615244) posts in De'endee Mafia.
More than my Capo III performance.
Pffff. amateurs. Look at Netherworld for someone who really talks too much :tongue:
Well, I haven't followed this game as closely as I usually do, being lynched on D1 and all but I don't think the shirt is completely useless. It would be a total :daisy: move from the host to set the whole game up around a fake claim... :sweatdrop:
Well not really. I haven't read it, but from what I have heard, the Golden Rule had the host as scum. It would be something interesting to see. Not a :daisy: move. It's interesting to see the theories, etc. You could be right, and we haven't scanned a scum yet.
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 11:13
Technically, in the Golden Rule, everyone was scum with the same role. The way they won was last person standing or "and they lived happily ever after" by refusing to lynch or murder each other.
Ah, I see. What a game.
Scumbags, please don't kill me tonight, thanks. Townie players, I don't want the damned shirt scan because I am scum. Kthxbye.
:evilgrin:
In all seriousness, watch this:
This is a game, completely vanilla except there is no reveals on death, and there is a mystical shirt that can apparently scan someone. Now, in a standard 17 player game, there a three mafiosi, usually, correct? In Vespasian there was and that's good enough. This game has a twist, and that is the shirt. We are focusing on the shirt where we shouldn't be. We should be focusing on in thread behaviour and posts. The shirt is not only a distraction, it may be completely useless. We have no idea if we have lynched a scum, or if we have lynched town. The scan doesn't say that they are CONFIRMED town, just that they have been SCANNED town. There is a difference folks. No lynch, is not a good idea. We need analysis, because we will need to...
WAIT A SECOND...
The shirt grants the wearer the ability to perform an alignment scan on a player of their choosing. Use of this ability is mandatory if you are in possession of the shirt. If you don't send in an order, I will random.org it. The scan result will be made known publicly in the update.
SCAN MONTMORENCY. It may be accurate on DEAD players, not living players. And we can confirm a scum. DO IT POPULUS!
Populus, read my prior post please. :tongue:
The OP says nothing about not allowing the scanning of DEAD players. And it may only work on dead players. This is the way to check alignments, if you truly believe in the shirt. Populus, don't scan someone random, or Memnon or whatever, I will change my user title to "Failure" if I'm not right, ha. Scan Monty, the shirt won't work properly on alive players, I betcha. Too bloody unfair to the mafia unless they have a lot of members. It is a way of scanning after death possibly. I dunno, just throwing out ideas, but please, scan Monty tonight!
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 12:00
The sound of Askthepizzaguy butting in: Ask Zack first if it is legal to scan the dead / will return a result. Otherwise proceed as planned.
Yes, you're right. I just sent him a PM.
Extra:
If Monty is allowed to be scanned and is scum:
Then score one for us! We should now use this to scan dead people, to make sure what they are. Or if we have no dead suspects, scan a townie. Lynch EVERY round. This is how we win. Next goes Johnhughthom for the lynch. Of course the shirt could be lying, but my suspicions are that it wouldn't be...
If Monty is allowed to be scanned and is town:
Weird. Either the shirt is useless or he really is town. Use as either a dead suspect scanner, or Pizza's plan.
If we can't scan dead players, my idea of what we should do:
Someone try scanning themself? Or try scanning suspects.
It's been a while since I've been able to get into a mafia game lol.
Another thought occurs...
Zack is not a new, unexperienced host. He would've considered the balance issues if the shirt confirmed people as town.
Therefore I doubt the scan's use against alive players. But if we can't use it against dead players... I need confirmation.
Although another thing about him being an experienced host is that he knows just how much scepticism the shirt's results would receive, and possibly planned for that. It's a bit of a WIFOM situation, so I agree with Visorslash that we need clear confirmation of whatever theory we run with.
Memnon: "I checked Double A's room; he's dead. I tried to use the power of the shirt to determine his murderer -- for his throat was slit -- but it was to no avail. All I discovered was that Johhog didn't do it." (Johhog has been scanned as town!)
Reading the writeups...
Johhog didn't do it. But his scum buddy might've.
MAYBE
It can only catch the scums if that one scum commits the murder? Like, say I decide to murder B_Ray tonight, and I am scanned, I would come up scum. But if my scum partner Ishamel was scanned he would come up town? That's a possiblity.
The rules do not prohibit scanning dead players.
(However, if you don't send in a target, I will only random.org to scan a living player.)
Oh, and you guys are awesome. Great entertainment. :2thumbsup:
Seamus Fermanagh
08-31-2011, 14:27
B Ray:
Thanks for the kind thoughts. However, I don't really try to post a lot in mafia threads anymore; true for the last couple of years if you run the numbers. Also, I very much AM hosting capo already. I have been rewriting role sheets of and on for days now; interacting with the artist (his new concept is wonderful); and monitoring the sign up thread for updating etc. Hosting the huge games requires quite a lot of lead up work or the whole thing runs poorly.
Pizza:
Cannot argue that I am beyond using such a lurk approach. In point of fact I have been trying to keep my posts at this 1.5/phase level so as not to twig those using meta-detective strategies as easily as I used to do so. I learned much from Kommodus.
On the shirt:
I haven't played a zack game before, so I do not know how intricately he formats things. However, it is possible that the shirt does not scan current player status but that the shirt ENACTS player status. Moreover, the three wolf thing, thematically, suggests three mafiosi; or alternatively that every third scanee is somehow different than the previous two (made mafia?). There are almost too many possibilities for consideration, depending on how far you take it.
So, to those of you who have gamed in his games before, just how far will our host twist things to keep us hopping?
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 15:50
The rules do not prohibit scanning dead players.
(However, if you don't send in a target, I will only random.org to scan a living player.)
Oh, and you guys are awesome. Great entertainment. :2thumbsup:
From this, I'd conclude that it is at least equally useful to scan the living; therefore I wouldn't bother with the dead.
If Monty's town, knowing that won't really help us catch scum, and it breaks the chain.
Never break the chain.
If Monty's guilty, he's freaking dead. Move on.
Montmorency
08-31-2011, 17:09
So, to those of you who have gamed in his games before, just how far will our host twist things to keep us hopping?
Mmmmm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzlMCF5TD24
Populus Romanus
08-31-2011, 17:48
Damnit Monty I cannot view spoilers on my kindle. :<
I am scanning Johnhughtom. It would be a waste of time to scan Monty because he is dead. Furthermore it would break the chain.
Nor do I believe the shirt is useless,why would Zack make the whole game around a useless item?
johnhughthom
08-31-2011, 18:14
The sound of Askthepizzaguy butting in
Such a common sound we don't even notice it anymore.
I am scanning Johnhughtom.
Who is this chap, the name is quite similar to mine.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-31-2011, 20:08
.....Who is this chap, the name is quite similar to mine.
That second h bedeviled me for a time too -- which is why you're always jht in the capo notes.
bestrfcplayer
08-31-2011, 23:12
Have I been WoG'd?
Askthepizzaguy
08-31-2011, 23:51
Have I been WoG'd?
Yes; for missing the vote.
Double A
09-01-2011, 00:28
OH GOD WHAT'S GOING ON
I just skipped the last... three... ish... pages. I'm officially giving up trying to aide zombie Pizza in favor of doing my homework.
johnhughthom
09-01-2011, 00:30
That second h bedeviled me for a time too -- which is why you're always jht in the capo notes.
The second h? You thought I was johnughthom? Yes that makes much more sense than johnhughtom. :wink:
I'm officially giving up trying to aide zombie Pizza in favor of doing my homework.
You're useless when you're alive, what made you think you'd be any better dead?
Double A
09-01-2011, 01:17
Love you too, john.
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 01:51
No update?
Apparently not, although I'm hoping for Zack to do so before I pass out from exhaustion. Today was long.
Sorry, real life got a hold of me tonight.
Visorslash was killed!
johnhughthom has been scanned as mafia!
It is now DAY FIVE!
ALIVE:
[11]
B_Ray
Believer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom -- Scanned Mafia (N4)
Memnon -- Scanned Town (N3)
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[2]
TheLastDays (D1)
Montmorency (D4)
KILLED:
[4]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
Askthepizzaguy (N3)
Visorslash (N4)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[4]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
ATPG (N3)
Populus Romanus (N4)
To make up for the delayed update, a longer Day:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 03:22
Nice.
AND THEN I SAW HIS FACE, AND NOW I'M A vote the shirt to Believer.
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Populus Romanus
09-01-2011, 03:27
YES. Revenge is mine johnnyhugebum.
vote: Johnhughthom
ATPG, out of curiousity, why vote the shirt to Believer rather than B_Ray or Tratorix?
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 03:29
YES. Revenge is mine johnnyhugebum.
vote: Johnhughthom
ATPG, out of curiousity, why vote the shirt to Believer rather than B_Ray or Tratorix?
B_Ray voted for me, Tratorix rubs me the wrong way. He should know by now which way I like being rubbed. And Believer really, really knows how to....
uh I mean Believer has a far superior vote record.
YES. Revenge is mine johnnyhugebum.
PoopyRomanus and johhnyhugebum. Very clever insults, fellas. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 03:32
All this excitement has made me prematurely erupt.
Populus Romanus
09-01-2011, 03:39
Very well. vote: believer
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 03:48
Monty, I guess you've run out of ammunition, so here it is.
Here is how you guys can try to undermine my credibility:
Memnon, Johhog, Populus are all townie. Except, I am mafia and I "cleared" Memnon as townie, even though he's townie, and I murdered myself.
John and Believer are my scum buddies, along with.... I dunno.... pfffffff... Yaropolk.
So, Believer gets the shirt, starts scanning townies as mafia, and my surviving buddies go on to win the game and stuff.
There, now you can keep fighting it. Let me get my popcorn.
okay, so I've awoken from my slumber and have not been disappointed! I'll Vote: Johnhughthom, never would have suspected, shame on you! :shocked:
Vote: Believer, in accordance with the ALL-POWERFUL PIZZA'S wishes. May you be asked many questions, oh cheesy one.:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 04:11
John, at long last, I finally feel confident about analyzing you. I don't know how many games your stony poker face held me back, but now...
I see right through to you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFdpWdbVTd4&feature=related).
I told (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137569-Three-Wolf-Moon-In-Play&p=2053366869&viewfull=1#post2053366869) you guys there was no need to scan him.
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 04:22
Monty, I guess you've run out of ammunition, so here it is.
Here is how you guys can try to undermine my credibility:
Memnon, Johhog, Populus are all townie. Except, I am mafia and I "cleared" Memnon as townie, even though he's townie, and I murdered myself.
John and Believer are my scum buddies, along with.... I dunno.... pfffffff... Yaropolk.
So, Believer gets the shirt, starts scanning townies as mafia, and my surviving buddies go on to win the game and stuff.
There, now you can keep fighting it. Let me get my popcorn.
Here we go again. But I'm dead, so there's no use in keeping the flame here. I'm just relieved that fresh blood is getting the shirt.
Populus Romanus
09-01-2011, 04:25
I have my first mafia. Now I moar.
Monty, I guess you've run out of ammunition, so here it is.
Here is how you guys can try to undermine my credibility:
Memnon, Johhog, Populus are all townie. Except, I am mafia and I "cleared" Memnon as townie, even though he's townie, and I murdered myself.
John and Believer are my scum buddies, along with.... I dunno.... pfffffff... Yaropolk.
So, Believer gets the shirt, starts scanning townies as mafia, and my surviving buddies go on to win the game and stuff.
There, now you can keep fighting it. Let me get my popcorn.Why would you then implicate John?:tongue:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 04:26
Here we go again. But I'm dead, so there's no use in keeping the flame here. I'm just relieved that fresh blood is getting the shirt.
Askthepizzaguy versus Montmorency match one results: 1-0, ATPG wins through submission.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 04:27
Why would you then implicate John?:tongue:
For now my credibility cannot be questioned except by the truly demented.
Like me...
Tratorix
09-01-2011, 04:33
Vote: johnhughthom
Vote: Believer
Scan me next! I want the shirt!
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 04:35
Askthepizzaguy versus Montmorency match one results: 1-0, ATPG wins through submission.
But I maintain the right to laugh in everyone's faces if you are Mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 04:38
Vote: johnhughthom
Vote: Believer
Scan me next! I want the shirt!
:inquisitive:
Paranoia level increasing...
Tratorix
09-01-2011, 04:43
:inquisitive:
Paranoia level increasing...
Me and Believer are scum buddies. We sacrificed john so we can clear each other and coast to victory. :idea2:
But in all seriousness, I think the next investigation should either be me or B-ray. He's posting a lot like he did in A Country for Old Men, and he was scum there.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 04:47
Me and Believer are scum buddies. We sacrificed john so we can clear each other and coast to victory. :idea2:
But in all seriousness, this is a possibility.
While I'm not going to ATPVolcano all over your faces, I am going to request folks double-check any scans done by Believer. Not that I don't think he should still get the shirt.
And I'd like him to scan you. If you're town, then the scumbags leaving you both alive just to increase my paranoia when I can't even vote is good for the town; if you're mafia he has to either bus you or "clear" you, and then if one of you goes down, you both do.
Any way you slice that pizza, town wins. So therefore, ATPVolcano says proceed.
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 04:55
But in all seriousness, this is a possibility.
While I'm not going to ATPVolcano all over your faces, I am going to request folks double-check any scans done by Believer. Not that I don't think he should still get the shirt.
And I'd like him to scan you. If you're town, then the scumbags leaving you both alive just to increase my paranoia when I can't even vote is good for the town; if you're mafia he has to either bus you or "clear" you, and then if one of you goes down, you both do.
Any way you slice that pizza, town wins. So therefore, ATPVolcano says proceed.
Alright, this compels a reply from me.
1. It's a possibility that John was sacrificed by his scumbuddies, but not you. Hmmmm.
2. Why would it be suspicious for Believer and Tratorix to not be killed? Visorslash died tonight, and yet the three confirmed town are still sitting pretty. Hmmmmmmmmm.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 04:59
Alright, this compels a reply from me.
1. It's a possibility that John was sacrificed by his scumbuddies, but not you. Hmmmm.
2. Why would it be suspicious for Believer and Tratorix to not be killed? Visorslash died tonight, and yet the three confirmed town are still sitting pretty. Hmmmmmmmmm.
This compels a reply from me.
You're right, Montmorency, I am actually scum. My performance in this game is more devious than my Shadow Fort performance; more dangerous than my Legend of Zelda performance. I have gone from having diamond encrusted ones in Socially Unacceptable Mini Mafia to solid titanium. I am so confident I'm going to win, that I don't mind revealing I'm guilty right here, right now. And no one will listen.
Only you, Monty. Only you know the truth.
Congratulations.
:clown: <--- The clown face makes this sort of thing okay.
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 05:02
Ad hominem that doesn't actually address anything. Ayup.
"Oh Monty, you so wacky" just isn't going to cut it. :brood:
Tratorix
09-01-2011, 05:06
Ad hominem that doesn't actually address anything. Ayup.
"Oh Monty, you so wacky" just isn't going to cut it. :brood:
This might have carried more weight before you claimed mafia. :wink:
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 05:08
Well, so did you. :smug:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 05:09
Even if you're town, Monty, I have to side with Tratorix on this one.
You've completely shot yourself in the foot with that move, and now I'm showing you why you should never repeat that in future games.
If you're scum, you've handicapped yourself severely; if you're town, same deal. You're only making it harder on your team.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 05:11
Well, so did you. :smug:
You want us to lynch Tratorix? :eyebrows:
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 05:14
If there won't be an answer, I'll let it be. :shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 05:15
If there won't be an answer, I'll let it be. :shrug:
Come on townie Monty, point some fingers.
Who is my scum buddy?
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 05:19
Come on townie Monty, point some fingers.
Who is my scum buddy?
:wall: I resist...
Populus Romanus
09-01-2011, 05:21
I admit! I am pizzas coconspirator.:clown:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 05:26
:wall: I resist...
So far you seem to think it's me, Memnon, Johhog, and Populus Romanus. Which would make Johnhughthom a townie that we're destroying this round.
Aha says Pizza, now we're getting somewhere. So, pray tell, if all the scums are bunched up together and "cleared" or self-murdered, what happens if literally anyone else in the game scans Memnon, which I've argued should happen soon?
Whoops!
So what if it's just me that is scum, and I'm leaving Memnon, Johhog, and Romanus alive to make them seem like they're my partners. So why on earth did I argue that the chain of investigations needed to remain unbroken? That means I'm arguing that we lynch anyone that flips scum that Populus Romanus scanned. Which means I'm dead and encouraging the death of my scum buddies, whenever they get scanned. And I also said to lynch Johnny without bothering to even scan him. And it would mean by definition Johnhughthom is scum.
Whoops!
So I'm still struggling to comprehend how this is a winning move for me. So quite honestly I need help, mister Burns. Show me the money. Who are my partners? Which of these fictional accounts are you suggesting are non-fiction? Or is it time to put that Pizza=Scum puppy to sleep already?
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 05:33
I admit! I am pizzas coconspirator.:clown:
Quiet you, or you'll taste the back of me hand. You deserve it for stabbing me so many times under my explicit instructions to do so.
Montmorency
09-01-2011, 05:37
So far you seem to think it's me, Memnon, Johhog, and Populus Romanus. Which would make Johnhughthom a townie that we're destroying this round.
Aha says Pizza, now we're getting somewhere. So, pray tell, if all the scums are bunched up together and "cleared" or self-murdered, what happens if literally anyone else in the game scans Memnon, which I've argued should happen soon?
Whoops!
So what if it's just me that is scum, and I'm leaving Memnon, Johhog, and Romanus alive to make them seem like they're my partners. So why on earth did I argue that the chain of investigations needed to remain unbroken? That means I'm arguing that we lynch anyone that flips scum that Populus Romanus scanned. Which means I'm dead and encouraging the death of my scum buddies, whenever they get scanned. And I also said to lynch Johnny without bothering to even scan him. And it would mean by definition Johnhughthom is scum.
Whoops!
So I'm still struggling to comprehend how this is a winning move for me. So quite honestly I need help, mister Burns. Show me the money. Who are my partners? Which of these fictional accounts are you suggesting are non-fiction? Or is it time to put that Pizza=Scum puppy to sleep already?
Let's wrap this up here. For the past however many hours, I've been suggesting the former as a possibility. And yes, I have also wanted Memnon rescanned. But another possibility is that your support for a Memnon-scanning is just a way to convince town that "Oh yeah, can't be scum if he's suggesting that". As in, WIFOM. There's no way to prove this as yet, of course, but your only refutation is "I lack the testicular fortitude." BTW, so far this turn you've been arguing for two scans on Tratorix.
Ok? Arguing it won't get anyone anywhere, as there's nothing to do but wait for the game to progress. And I'm done with it. Don't bring it up and neither will I. :shakehands:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2011, 05:45
Let's wrap this up here. For the past however many hours, I've been suggesting the former as a possibility. And yes, I have also wanted Memnon rescanned. But another possibility is that your support for a Memnon-scanning is just a way to convince town that "Oh yeah, can't be scum if he's suggesting that". As in, WIFOM. There's no way to prove this as yet, of course, but your only refutation is "I lack the testicular fortitude." BTW, so far this turn you've been arguing for two scans on Tratorix.
Ok? Arguing it won't get anyone anywhere, as there's nothing to do but wait for the game to progress. And I'm done with it. Don't bring it up and neither will I. :shakehands:
I just want to wrap this up with my own response, and I'll drop it.
but your only refutation is "I lack the testicular fortitude."
Nay nay nay, in fact I've suggested I have the testicular fortitude and I'd do just about anything as scum, and that was not my only refutation.
The only ever time I've suggested I wouldn't do something is if such a move demonstrates a lack of cerebral fortitude. In order for me to do as you're suggesting, I'd have to be herp-derp in the brain, that's my conclusion anyway.
So I'm just trying to figure out if you think I'm a herpa-derper, or if you think my cojones are extra meaty. I'm curious. So far, your answer is that the pizza is actually a top sirloin steak. I can live with that, but in the back of my mind I'm worried that people could ever believe I'd try a tactic this self-defeating.
1) Kill self
2) Bus John
3) leave scanned townies alive
4) Say don't trust the results, making everyone fair game for a lynch
5) Asking to be scanned N1
6) Asking for others to double-confirm Memnon as town
If this is a plan, I must have been on drugs.
I also struggle to think how I'd sell this plan to my partners.
Hey guys.... I'm going to kill myself, threaten to lynch and nearly lynch or actually lynch you guys, and ask townies to scan me, and then scan you guys.
Then, somehow, we will win. Who's with me???
The defense rests.... in peace. :skull:
Screw you scumbags. Not cool. :tongue:
VOTE: johnhughthom It wasn't enough with two names, eh?
VOTE: Believer In Believer We Believe.
TheLastDays
09-01-2011, 07:25
Hey guys.... I'm going to kill myself, threaten to lynch and nearly lynch or actually lynch you guys, and ask townies to scan me, and then scan you guys.
Then, somehow, we will win. Who's with me???
I'm in! Good that they haven't figured out we were scum this game. I thought it was over when I let myself be lynched over townie JHT but after you did your awesome performance and killed yourself, making them vote the shirt to our scumbuddy Populus we could frame him and now we're on the way to win! :clown:
In all seriousness, confirm the scan on Memnon tonight.
Believer
09-01-2011, 07:26
Vote: JHT
Vote: Believer
Guys, you're making me blush. :$
TheLastDays
09-01-2011, 09:06
Screw you scumbags. Not cool. :tongue:
You post too much :clown:
You post too much :clown:
And you're a Queenslander :-).
vote: Johnhughthom
vote: Believer
for obvious reasons.
TheLastDays
09-01-2011, 09:28
see? that's why I hate detective results. Where's the discussion? Everyone goes JHT and Believer "for obvious reasons" and there's no value coming from this round's discussion.
I dare you all to keep talking. The town doesn't have to fear information and talking, the scum has. Everyone who doesn't post at least 2 posts seperate from his voting post today is scum! I have spoken :yes:
DEATH TO LURKING!
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