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A tale of three wolves, a moon, and 100% cotton
In this world, there exist many things which are powerful. Rich, old, white people. Breasts. Hypnotoad.
But none are as powerful as the Three Wolf Moon t-shirt.
Many have tried to bear the power of the shirt.
Some have wielded it successfully.
This item has wolves on it which makes it intrinsically sweet and worth 5 stars by itself, but once I tried it on, that's when the magic happened. After checking to ensure that the shirt would properly cover my girth, I walked from my trailer to Wal-mart with the shirt on and was immediately approached by women. The women knew from the wolves on my shirt that I, like a wolf, am a mysterious loner who knows how to 'howl at the moon' from time to time (if you catch my drift!). The women that approached me wanted to know if I would be their boyfriend and/or give them money for something they called meth. I told them no, because they didn't have enough teeth, and frankly a man with a wolf-shirt shouldn't settle for the first thing that comes to him.
I arrived at Wal-mart, mounted my courtesy-scooter (walking is such a drag!) sitting side saddle so that my wolves would show. While I was browsing tube socks, I could hear aroused asthmatic breathing behind me. I turned around to see a slightly sweaty dream in sweatpants and flip-flops standing there. She told me she liked the wolves on my shirt, I told her I wanted to howl at her moon. She offered me a swig from her mountain dew, and I drove my scooter, with her shuffling along side out the door and into the rest of our lives. Thank you wolf shirt.
Pros: Fits my girthy frame, has wolves on it, attracts women
Cons: Only 3 wolves (could probably use a few more on the 'guns'), cannot see wolves when sitting with arms crossed, wolves would have been better if they glowed in the dark.
Others have had disastrous results.
The effect that this t-shirt has on women is pretty impressive. Unfortunately its natural healing powers reversed my vasectomy and I impregnated nine women in two weeks before I realized. They all had twin boys. Now I have 18 sons and spend most of my money on child support and condoms.
And a few have been largely unaffected by the mysterious powers of the shirt.
Unfortunately I already had this exact picture tattooed on my chest, but this shirt is very useful in colder weather.
Will you be able to successfully utilize the shirt's powers? There's only one way to find out.
All reviews are from Amazon.com.
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In a nutshell, this game will be completely vanilla, with a few caveats. All characters will start off the game completely vanilla -- all townies and mafiosos alike will be basic. There will be one item up for vote each day, beginning Day 1 -- the Three Wolf Moon Shirt. Whoever receives the most votes (in Vote: Zack format) will receive the shirt. Ties will result in a coin flip on random.org.
The shirt grants the wearer the ability to perform an alignment scan on a player of their choosing. Use of this ability is mandatory if you are in possession of the shirt. If you don't send in an order, I will random.org it. The scan result will be made known publicly in the update.
What happens if the mafia get the wolf shirt?
:evilgrin:
Due to the overwhelming power of the shirt, no player is allowed to be in possession of the shirt for more than one night, unless all other living players have possessed the shirt. The shirt will be placed for vote at the start of each Day phase.
Other stuff:
1. All phases will be 24 hours long.
2. Tied votes result in No Lynch.
3. No Lynch and Abstain are allowed.
4. No out of thread communication, unless specifically sanctioned by me.
5. No alignment reveal after death.
6. Deceased players may not reveal any information that is not available in thread, but are allowed to contribute to discussion as much as they like.
All other standard rules apply.
PLAYERS:
[17/17]
1. Montmorency
2. johnhughthom
3. Tratorix
4. Populus Romanus
5. Memnon
6. Yaropolk
7. Seon
8. Double A
9. Believer
10. ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
11. B_Ray
12. bestrfcplayer
13. TheLastDays
14. Seamus Fermanagh
15. Ishmael
16. Johhog
17. Askthepizzaguy
RESERVES:
1. Visorslash
2. Jarema (by PM)
Montmorency
08-23-2011, 01:39
Ok.
johnhughthom
08-23-2011, 01:43
Confirmicating.
Tratorix
08-23-2011, 01:56
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
i am howling like a wolf, get it?
Populus Romanus
08-23-2011, 02:38
I must possess the shirt...INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Yaropolk
08-23-2011, 03:42
In...so if we find scum, how do we lynch them? Does the shirt tear them apart?
Double A
08-23-2011, 13:55
In to eat Seon back.
Believer
08-23-2011, 14:03
Totally in.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-23-2011, 15:56
IN!!!!!
I'll do anything for that shirt!!
bestrfcplayer
08-23-2011, 19:31
I'll be in.
Off topic: EARTHQUAKE!!!!
TheLastDays
08-23-2011, 19:56
Alright, In, if there's still room.
Diamondeye
08-23-2011, 20:59
Sorry, but no. I've just started University.
Double A
08-23-2011, 21:19
I'll be in.
Off topic: EARTHQUAKE!!!!
I know right?
Seamus Fermanagh
08-23-2011, 21:29
In, please.
I can't resist the opening write-up, even if it was mostly real reviews (it's good to see people have a sense of humour). In as well, if it isn't too much bother.
Edit: Although if it's already full, I'll just be a reserve or something.
Askthepizzaguy
08-23-2011, 23:42
Game needs more Sasaki Kojiro.
Sign-ups are closed! I'm flattered by how quickly this game filled up.
I'm sending out PMs; the game will start shortly.
Zack walked out of the local Wal-Mart with a confident look in his eyes, plastic shopping bag held firmly in his hand. The bag contained only one item.
As Zack made his way through the parking lot, walking towards his car, he noticed that people were looking at him strangely. Men glared at Zack, their faces clearly displaying their jealousy. Women stared at Zack, intrigued by his charisma. Ignoring the odd reactions of the civilians around him, Zack eventually made his way to his car. He jumped in, throwing the bag in the passenger's seat.
I HAVE to show my seventeen closest friends what's inside that bag, thought Zack. He then proceeded to whip out his cell phone, sending a text to his seventeen dearest comrades:
party at my place tonight! in like 20 minutes, lol
Trusting that his friends would show up, Zack put the pedal to the medal, slamming into the car across from him. It's panic alarm went off, and Zack cursed under his breath. He then backed out, and raced away from the scene.
As he was making his way home, Zack couldn't help but look at the plastic bag every thirty or so seconds. What he wanted to do was stop the car in the middle of the highway and don the shirt contained in the bag, but he resisted.
Once he finally arrived at his house, Zack literally ripped the shirt he was currently wearing in half, then tossed it out of the car window and into the bushes. He leaned over to the passenger seat, hastily grabbing the shirt it contained. Zack quickly put the shirt on, a grin spreading across his face. He hopped out of the car, wrangled the house key from out of his jean pocket, and strolled over to his front door. He unlocked the door, then stumbled inside. Something was wrong.
His house was pitch black. Zack couldn't see anything.
Suddenly, the lights burst on, and Zack's seventeen closest friends stood facing Zack.
Zack: "You guys are awesome! Look at this new shir -- Hey, wait a second. How the bananas did you get in my house?"
Just as one of his friends was about to answer the question, the front door shot wide open. A steady stream of women poured into the house, swarming Zack.
Zack: "Oh God no! It's the shirt, it's the shirt!"
Zack was beginning to suffocate from the sheer number of ladies on top of him, leading him out of the door. When Zack had been carried out of the house, in one last final act of heroism, he took off his shirt and threw it back inside the house, then closed it shut. The seventeen confused people inside rushed forward to hold the door, locking it as well.
Zack: "PROTECT THE SHIRT!!! PROTECT IT WITH YOUR LIFE! I paid $15 for that thing!"
The only sounds ever to come from Zack again were bestial screams.
Askthepizzaguy: "So, I guess we're all stuck in Zack's glorious mansion, then?"
johnhughthom: "It would appear so."
Everyone eyed the shirt, which was laying on the ground. A mad scramble ensued.
Everyone: "I WANT THAT SHIRT! GIVE IT TO ME! IT'S MINE!"
After a few minutes, everyone stepped back, bruised and bloody.
Believer: "Let's... Let's just vote on who gets to wear the shirt. A different person can wear it each day."
Double A: "That reminds me. Why did we come to Zack's house at six in the morning, again?"
Nobody could answer.
It is now DAY ONE!
Vote for the lynch in Vote: Zack format, and vote for the shirt in Vote: Zack format. If you wish to change your vote, you must first unvote.
If you haven't received a Role PM as of this point, then you are a vanilla townie.
ALIVE:
[17]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Double A
Ishmael
Johhog
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus
Seamus Fermanagh
Seon
TheLastDays
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[0]
No one.
KILLED:
[0]
No one.
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[0]
No one.
Day ends in a little over 24 hours.
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 00:40
Self vote the shirt, we can?
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Spoke first in the opening write up, clearly scum.
Self vote the shirt, we can?
Of course.
Spoke first in the opening write up, clearly scum.
I'm assuming this is a joke, but just to be clear:
No clues are contained in the writeups.
Believer
08-24-2011, 00:42
Vote: ATPG
Anyone thought I wasn't a fanboy still? PFT!
Vote: Memnon
Because random said so.
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 00:43
What if the person voted the shirt is lynched?
What if the person voted the shirt is lynched?
Then the person with the second-most votes will receive the shirt.
Vote:Abstain
Vote:johnhughthom He led me to look at other mafia games, clearly he is the most deserving of the almighty shirt.:yes:
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 00:50
unvote, vote: Believer
I don't care what random.org said, voting newbies is poor form.
Vote: Memnon
Welcome to mafia at the org, only a few of us are as ill-mannered as that Believer chap.
Believer
08-24-2011, 01:13
unvote, vote: Believer
I don't care what random.org said, voting newbies is poor form.
Vote: Memnon
Welcome to mafia at the org, only a few of us are as ill-mannered as that Believer chap.
Is Memnon new? I had no clue. :(
OMGUS will do just as well as random.
Unvote; Vote: JHT
Seamus Fermanagh! Your name is legendary.
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Hey, I've got a brilliant idea! Since we're all going to be taking turns wearing the shirt, why don't we just start going through the player list alphabetically? That's perfectly fair.
vote: B_Ray
Montmorency
08-24-2011, 01:31
YEAH!
Vote: Abstain
Vote: Memnon]
Populus Romanus
08-24-2011, 02:38
vote: Warman
Your name is too long.:tongue:
since everyone seems to want the shirt to go to Memnon, I shall vote: Memnon as well.
Tratorix
08-24-2011, 02:40
Vote: B-ray because I'm still mad about A Country For Old Men.
Vote: tratorix because I am money with detective powers.
Put me down as a reserve, please.
Yeah, lets give it to the newcomer :yes:.
vote: Memnon
In other news, random.org hates me. Upon re-rolling, it told me to:
vote: Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy
08-24-2011, 07:52
Vote: Ishmael, omgus.
Vote: tratorix, why not.
TheLastDays
08-24-2011, 08:03
vote: Memnon seems to be the consensus
vote: JHT - I actually really like the choice of JHT :laugh4:
Also, where's my role PM?
Populus Romanus
08-24-2011, 08:12
Also, where's my role PM?
I never got one either. :<
Also, where's my role PM?
I never got one either. :<
If you haven't received a Role PM as of this point, then you are a vanilla townie.
I really only quoted you two as well so that I could use the multiquote feature for the first time. I feel so proud :laugh4:.
Askthepizzaguy
08-24-2011, 09:10
Hmm? Role PM?
I mean uh uh uh uh I didn't get one either.
*whew, covered that one well.*
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 12:04
Hey, Mr Pizzaguy, when you aren't indulging in lame WIFOM with the rest of us, could you change the thread title. Imagine the disappointment of coming into an awesome game like this, expecting to sign up and play alongside myself and B Ray (and some other, irrelevant, players), only to find it's actually already started.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2011, 12:34
Vote: TheLastDays
"I didn't get a PM" posts are a ploy as old as the hills and should be discouraged. Populous, you may well be next for the same reason unless another candidate comes along. Nice spoof of this pizza.
Vote: ATPG
He's a fine fellow. Why not?
By the way, B Ray, you were supposed to vote for me to get the shirt since I am "lengendary," not vote to lynch me. Naughty, naughty.....
Fortunately, we are all aware that "legendary" is only one little step up from "fictional." Any heroic character I possess is of the Flashman variety.
TheLastDays
08-24-2011, 12:42
Vote: TheLastDays
Blablabla
Huh? my you really don't like bad jokes, do you?
unvote 'twas a joke too
random vote: Montmorency
Askthepizzaguy
08-24-2011, 13:53
Hey, Mr Pizzaguy, when you aren't indulging in lame WIFOM with the rest of us, could you change the thread title.
Okay, as soon as the WIFOM is over, I'll get right on it. I promise.
Double A
08-24-2011, 15:10
vote: Seamus Only his dead sexyness can tame the power of the Three Wolf Moon shirt, which will make it wearable by us mooks at a later date. It is for the good of me everyone!
vote: jht I hear from Bob who heard from Jill who heard from Jane who heard from Vader who heard from Steve who heard from him that he got a PM.
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 15:28
Damn it, I should have known not to trust Steve. Thank God you haven't been talking to Ahmed.
VOTE: TheLastDays
VOTE: Memnon
I'm just wanting to blend in with the crowd and don't reveal myself as scum.
Nah, but I agree with the view that the "I haven't got a role PM yet OHALP" post was scummy. Furthermore, why did you unvote and then making another random vote?
Memnon can get the shirt. MOAR SHIRTS TO THE CROWD!
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 18:24
Unvote, Vote: TLD
It's not a great case, but it's better than letting myself get lynched.
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 18:26
Unvote, Vote: TLD
It's not a great case, but it's better than letting myself get lynched.
TheLastDays
08-24-2011, 18:31
It's a very bad case but I'll volunteer as the first day lynch since JHT was killed N1 in my last game. unvote, vote: TLD
Montmorency
08-24-2011, 18:36
I will oblige.
Unvote, Vote: TLD
Your sacrifice will be in vain. Your death shall be forgotten.
Go gentle. Go soft. :bow:
Hey, why are we voting on who to lynch when there hasn't been a murder yet??
Populus Romanus
08-24-2011, 19:01
The shirt told us to. :uhoh:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-24-2011, 21:51
Vote:TLD
DIE!!
Hey, why are we voting on who to lynch when there hasn't been a murder yet??
Quiet you!
Also, can a mod change the name of this thread? Thanks in advance.
Askthepizzaguy
08-24-2011, 22:09
Okay, as soon as the WIFOM is over, I'll get right on it. I promise.
Well, the wine is still there. But the title is changed.
johnhughthom
08-24-2011, 22:10
Oh right, that's how it is. When a player asks you to do it you don't bother, when the hosts asks you get right on it. I see how you're playing it Mr Content Manager. :brood:
TheLastDays
08-24-2011, 22:16
You guys are all simply lazy, esp. the Mafia :tongue:
Tratorix
08-24-2011, 22:18
You guys are all simply lazy, esp. the Mafia :tongue:
Oh you're gonna pay for that. :stare:
Round over, write-up is coming.
TALLY:
TLD: 6 (Johhog, JHT, Montmorency, Seamus, TLD, Warman)
JHT: 2 (Believer, Double A)
Ishmael: 1 (ATPG)
Seamus: 1 (B_Ray)
ATPG: 1 (Ishmael)
Warman: 1 (Populus Romanus)
B_Ray: 1 (Tratorix)
Abstain: 1 (Memnon)
Not Voting: 3 (bestrfcplayer, Seon, Yaropolk)
TALLY:
Memnon: 6 (Ishmael, Johhog, JHT, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, TLD)
Tratorix: 2 (ATPG, Tratorix)
ATPG: 2 (Believer, Seamus)
B_Ray: 1 (B_Ray)
Seamus: 1 (Double A)
JHT: 1 (Memnon)
Not Voting: 4 (bestrfcplayer, Seon, Yaropolk, Warman)
Yaropolk
08-25-2011, 01:10
As I'm a basic townie and didn't get a PM I missed the start of the game. My apologies.
So would I send a PM with the orders upon whom to use the shirt? Or would I just say it here?(Sorry, new to this)
On the other hand: Whoooo whoo whoo whoooooooo(howling)! I HAZ THE SHIRT! Thanks! :D
*scratches Yaropolk's name off his suspect list*
So would I send a PM with the orders upon whom to use the shirt?
Yep!
Ishmael: "That's a great idea! We can just take turns wearing the shirt each night. But... how will we be able to determine who gets to keep the shirt?"
Johhog: "While we're voting for someone to don the shirt, we can also vote on someone to.... kill."
All were silent, but none disagreed.
Ishmael: "Well... um... uh... well... Yeah, yeah. Sure, that would work. Sounds like a great idea. Personally, I think that Askthepizzaguy should die today."
Askthepizzaguy: "Well, I think you should be the one to die today."
Ishmael: "What say you, bestrfcplayer?"
No response.
Ishmael: "Seon?"
Again, there was no response.
Ishmael: "Yaropolk?"
No response, for the third time. After a few moments, Ishmael noticed the three sleeping in the corner.
Everyone continued on to accuse one another, pointing fingers, making obscene gestures, defending themselves, and so forth. The same was done for voting of the shirt, but in a far kinder manner.
Finally, after a long day of arguing, it had been agreed that TheLastDays would be lynched, and that Memnon would receive the shirt.
Warman: "Any last words, for your last days, TheLastDays?"
TheLastDays: "Yes. Never have I heard a lamer pun in my entire life, than the one you just uttered."
Populus Romanus: (furious) "WHAT?? That joke was hilarious! Let's get him, boys!"
Six of the gathered men charged forward toward TheLastDays, who fell down into the fetal position on the floor. The men beat TheLastDays, who screamed throughout the process. Finally, after a good five minutes of hitting and kicking, TheLastDays was dead.
Memnon: "Can I have the shirt, now?"
Everyone mumbled "yeah, sure", yawned, then went off to find a place to sleep for the night.
It is now NIGHT ONE!
Send me your night orders!
ALIVE:
[16]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Double A
Ishmael
Johhog
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus
Seamus Fermanagh
Seon
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays
KILLED:
[0]
No one.
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[1]
Memnon -- current wearer
Thanks, and prepare to see mafiosi #1! :sweatdrop:
bestrfcplayer
08-25-2011, 01:37
Sorry for not voting. I don't check the .org very often (as compared to CFC).
Montmorency
08-25-2011, 01:46
Thanks, and prepare to see mafiosi #1! :sweatdrop:
Hint: It's exactly-who-you-think-it-is' alphabetical precedent.
Alea iacta est (been waiting for years to say that):book:
johnhughthom
08-25-2011, 02:06
Hint: It's exactly-who-you-think-it-is' alphabetical precedent.
Yes, Askthepizzaguy should be your first target, he's hasn't been targeted in the first night of any game in ever. In ever.
Tratorix
08-25-2011, 02:16
We should be targeting people like Seon or Warman that we'll never get a decent profile on anyway.
Askthepizzaguy
08-25-2011, 06:52
Investigate me with the shirt.
Not for metagaming reasons, but because I asked you to. This will influence the scums to likely murder me.
I will then offer my advice as a proven townie.
TheLastDays
08-25-2011, 07:00
Oh you're gonna pay for that. :stare:
I'm dead. I was dead beforeI said that. How are you gonna make me pay? :laugh4:
Tratorix
08-25-2011, 07:26
The round wasn't over when you said that, so you weren't officially dead.
And I will make you pay by going to your funeral, getting drunk and causing a scene. :smug:
TheLastDays
08-25-2011, 07:40
Lynch Tratorix!
Tratorix
08-25-2011, 15:21
Lynch Traitorix!
Fixed that for you.
TheLastDays
08-25-2011, 16:26
Nah I don't do that, that's almost as lame as your first round lynch :tongue:
Double A
08-26-2011, 00:16
Nah, but I agree with the view that the "I haven't got a role PM yet OHALP" post was scummy. Furthermore, why did you unvote and then making another random vote?
As I'm a basic townie and didn't get a PM I missed the start of the game. My apologies.
I like to ignore this certain brand of WIFOM. The wine is too bitter and too far away from me to reach with ease, so I sit in my fun box and think happy thoughts instead.
Hint: It's exactly-who-you-think-it-is' alphabetical precedent.
Makes sense, because B_Ray and ATPG are always mafia.
Double A slept soundly in a bed upstairs. Zack's mansion was so expansive, everyone got to sleep in their own room, and Double A was no exception.
Neither was the dark figure stealthily making his way to Double A's room.
The figure carefully opened the door to Double A's room, doing his best not to make a sound. He slipped inside the room, quietly shutting the door closed. He crept up to Double A's bed, then slipped a knife out his robes. The figure quickly slit Double A's throat, then retreated back to his own room.
------
That morning, when all came downstairs, everyone noticed that someone was missing.
bestrfcplayer: "Where's Double A? And where's Memnon?"
The others frowned, for they knew not. Well, of course, most of them didn't know.
Suddenly, Memnon was seen racing down the stairs, slightly out of breath. He had a grim look on his face.
Memnon: "I checked Double A's room; he's dead. I tried to use the power of the shirt to determine his murderer -- for his throat was slit -- but it was to no avail. All I discovered was that Johhog didn't do it." (Johhog has been scanned as town!)
Johhog: "Well, the shirt obviously works."
It is now DAY TWO!
ALIVE:
[15]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus
Seamus Fermanagh
Seon
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[1]
Double A (N1)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[1]
Memnon (N1)
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 01:13
vote: Johhog I would like to be certain that the shirt does not fall into the treacherous grasp of the mafia.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 01:15
Vote: Johhog
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 01:46
vote: Johhog I would like to be certain that the shirt does not fall into the treacherous grasp of the mafia.
Is this like an alternate account, or are you a completely different person also named Warman? Because this is confusing me. But regardless of who you are you have a point. Vote: Johhoq
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 01:48
No, I just changed my name. Not permanent.
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 01:51
No, I just changed my name. Not permanent.
Ok, but who were you originally? That's what is confusing me here.
Uh, Warman used to be Populus Romanus, right?
I really don't want to have to type out Warman's ungodly username. :no:
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 01:55
I really don't want to have to type out Warman's ungodly username. :no:Thats the idea. :evil:
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 01:56
Uh, Warman used to be Populus Romanus, right?
I really don't want to have to type out Warman's ungodly username. :no:
Yeah, I can't see this doing anything but create confusion. Reminds me of a time when the Canadian Football League contained the Ottawa Roughriders and the Saskatchewan Rough Riders.
johnhughthom
08-26-2011, 01:57
Hmm, this could be the perfect time to change my name to Unvote.
Hmm, this could be the perfect time to change my name to Unvote.
Or "myself", or "traitorix."
Thats the idea. :evil:
Can you please change your name? Hosting a game is already enough work, I don't want to deal with the confusion having your name as "Warman" causes.
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 02:00
Alright, I've decided that I'm not going to type out Warman's ridiculous name, I will continue to refer to him as Warman. Since I don't really want to type out Populous Romanus either though, I will refer to him as Pop Rocks.
Vote: Pop Rocks for confusing me.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 02:00
Populus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQFcVR6vEs
Also, No Lynch plz.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-26-2011, 02:18
Vote: Johhog, reasons as above.
Vote: Populous as a means of exerting pressure. Thoughts?
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 02:22
Exerting pressure for me to change my name back? :inquisitive: By the way it was spelled Populus.
Believer
08-26-2011, 02:27
Vote: Johhog
Vote: Populous
I'm up for some pressure.
vote: Johhog I would like to be certain that the shirt does not fall into the treacherous grasp of the mafia.
Makes sense, agreed. Vote: Johhog
Well, now it's just about the process of elimination. :embarassed:
Vote: No Lynch
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 02:36
vote: Believer
You voted for me for no reason other than my changing my name. You are trying to hide behind the bandwagon on me to make yourself look innocent. Furthermore, you say that you want to pressure me, without giving any information whatsoever on what you want to know. when I specifically stated in the post above yours that I wanted to know what the pressure was for. And last but not least, you misspelled my former name. :brood:
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 02:36
Looks like I voted improperly, so I'll vote: Populus the Warman to obscure my shame.
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 02:38
Instead of voting me because I changed my name, vote Believer who is scummy. :yes:
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 02:39
If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 02:41
Hmmm?
Double A
08-26-2011, 02:52
The hell is wrong with the mafia? Are they afraid of me because I'm actually playing instead of leeching off the town? Or is it because jht said he would kill me the first chance he got over on TWC? Or is it because they saw that post and are trying to get me to think it was john? And why am I asking so many questions? Aren't I dead? Braaaaaains?
johnhughthom
08-26-2011, 02:58
Vote: Believer
Memnon, was there any particular reason you scanned Johhog?
vote: Popular Romulan - because it's the popular thing to do.
vote: Warman
Vote: Believer
Memnon, was there any particular reason you scanned Johhog?
Absolutely no reason at all, just a blind guess. Eh, I guess we have our second mafia victim. Sorry, Johhog.
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 04:41
Really not liking this bandwagon, especially Believer and Montmorency. Believer especially seems to have just jumped on both popular votes, not to mention he's third on the bandwagon. But then Monty comes along with an even weaker vote.
Unvote: PR, Vote: Montmorency
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 04:42
:laugh:
This is yet the beginning. All votes are weak.
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 05:04
:laugh:
This is yet the beginning. All votes are weak.
Doesn't change the fact that you've hopped on the first bandwagon to role by two rounds in a row. At least pretend to put some effort in.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 05:05
My No Lynch failed anyway.
Ok, everyone, his name's back, time to vote for someone else (not me, not me, not me):creep:
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 05:07
My No Lynch failed anyway.
No one never accomplished nothing by not lynching someone.
So who do you want us No-Lynchers to lynch, huh? I feel conflicted when I vote, because I know that if I vote for someone who it will affect, then I'll accused of jumping on the bandwagon, if I vote for someone out of the blue, then they do an OMGUS vote, and I'd rather not have the bandwagoners after me, there's just not enough evidence for me to feel confident about any choice yet.:dizzy2:
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 05:16
So who do you want us No-Lynchers to lynch, huh? I feel conflicted when I vote, because I know that if I vote for someone who it will affect, then I'll accused of jumping on the bandwagon, if I vote for someone out of the blue, then they do an OMGUS vote, and I'd rather not have the bandwagoners after me, there's just not enough evidence for me to feel confident about any choice yet.:dizzy2:
Very concerned about getting lynched, are we? Sounds scummy to me. :wink: Generally you don't catch anyone early on unless your lucky. The problem with No Lynch is that it's effectively a waste, as there is zero chance of catching scum.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 05:20
No lynch is better for town. It gives us time to identify everyone. Of course, it's not good for the backlog of Mafia games. I just realized that recently.
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 05:28
No lynch is better for town. It gives us time to identify everyone. Of course, it's not good for the backlog of Mafia games. I just realized that recently.
No it's not. It slows the game to a crawl and means there is rarely a case built against anyone, as theres no real point in posting. Lynches are a finite resource, we only get so many of them so wasting them is bad.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 05:36
Vey iz mir.
Random lynches are worthless. The less lynches, the more day phases. The more day phases, the more the shirt gets used. The more the shirt gets used, the more people are identified. The more people identified, the likelier it is that one of the mafiosi will be caught. If one of the mafiosi is caught, we use one of our sweet, precious lynches to devastating effect.
Tratorix
08-26-2011, 05:50
Vey iz mir.
Random lynches are worthless. The less lynches, the more day phases. The more day phases, the more the shirt gets used. The more the shirt gets used, the more people are identified. The more people identified, the likelier it is that one of the mafiosi will be caught. If one of the mafiosi is caught, we use one of our sweet, precious lynches to devastating effect.
Random investigations aren't much better than random lynches. Your way will just make the game last twice as long without actually improving our chances. Unless the mafia are stupid and don't kill people who are proven innocent.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 06:05
Normal Game (assume 2 Mafia, one lynched midgame):
Day 1 - 17
Day 2 - 15
Day 3 - 13
Day 4 - 11
Day 5 - 9
Day 6 - 7
Day 7 - 5
Day 8 - 3
Investigations - 7
No Lynch Game (assume 2 Mafia):
Day 1 - 17
Day 2 - 16
Day 3 - 15
Day 4 - 14
Day 5 - 13
Day 6 - 12
Day 7 - 11
Day 8 - 10
Day 9 - 9
Day 10 - 8
Day 11 - 7
Day 12 - 6
Day 13 - 5 (assume one mafioso lynched today)
Day 14 - 3
Investigations - 13
Now, probability was never my strong suit, but 13 is a lot better than 6. The Mafia might presumably vote each other for the shirt later in the game. That's fine. That can be used as evidence.
In the statistical sense, No Lynch is quantifiably superior.
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 06:22
Why wasn't I scanned N1?
Gosh, I don't want people to touch me N1, everyone touches me.
I finally want to be touched, and I am getting as much attention as a dateless loser on prom night. I wasn't even fricking murdered.
Vote: Whoever
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 06:49
Holy delayed double post Batman.
Can I just ask our host to clarify something? If the person who is voted to receive the shirt is killed by the mafia that night, will we still get the result of their scan? I'll vote once I get the answer, I just want my pretty blue vote to be in the same post as the black one :yes:.
TheLastDays
08-26-2011, 09:09
Haha you guys are hilarious. Awesome wagons so far :yes:
Lynch Pizza to upset him even more :clown:
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 09:51
Lynch Pizza = Pizza doesn't try to catch any mafia.
Starting from Netherworld III and lasts until the fiery underworld freezes over.
Yaropolk
08-26-2011, 12:56
What do pizza and my infant have in common? All they know how to say is "Me me me me me"!
http://goo.gl/kei1
Vote: Johhoq
Vote: No Lynch
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-26-2011, 13:54
Uh, Warman used to be Populus Romanus, right?
I really don't want to have to type out Warman's ungodly username. :no:
No, I been Warman since I started in 2004. All other "Warman's" I known have quit the game over the years.
Is this like an alternate account, or are you a completely different person also named Warman? Because this is confusing me. But regardless of who you are you have a point. Vote: Johhoq
No, I guess he was just masquerading as me :laugh:.
Vote: Johhog
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 15:01
What do pizza and my infant have in common? All they know how to say is "Me me me me me"!
http://goo.gl/kei1
Vote: Johhoq
Vote: No Lynch
unvote, vote: Yaropolk
You you you you you.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 15:03
A light shines through.
Unvote; Vote: No Lynch
As Montmorency pointed out we want to NL here.
VOTE: Johhog
VOTE: No Lynch
FOR SHIRT AND FOR COUNTRY.
Oh, and I second the question if we get a scan or not if (when) I die. I suppose we would, or Mafia would always kill the shirt holder.
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 15:05
No lynches are lame!
I'm guilty. Lynch me.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-26-2011, 15:08
As Montmorency pointed out we want to NL here.
VOTE: Johhog
VOTE: No Lynch
FOR SHIRT AND FOR COUNTRY.
Oh, and I second the question if we get a scan or not if (when) I die. I suppose we would, or Mafia would always kill the shirt holder.
How about Swissland?
FOR SHIRT AND FOR SWEDEN.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-26-2011, 15:11
How about my Hussars?
Ok, so for the shirt so far it's 7 for Johhog, 1 for Believer, and 1 for Warman(Populus or outrageous-one-above-me?).
Seamus Fermanagh
08-26-2011, 15:41
Voting "no lynch" in the early game feeds right into mafia goals. The mafia wants to be the only ones killing early on so as to minimize the chance of early investigations identifying one. The time for "no lynch" votes, if ever, is in the mid to late game when investigation suspects have been narrowed. Moreover, your assumption of one mid-game lynch in your metric is optimistic in practice. Read over some of Sasaki's comments on the no lynch route.
Populus squirmed enough for now. Unvote: Populus; Vote: Montmorency.
You're just too willing to let the mafia set the pace. Believer too, with his minimal vote support and third on the bandwagon status, also bears some evaluation.
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 15:52
unvote, vote: Montmorency
I'm doing the lazy strategy this time because I'm still disappoint.
Scan me tonight.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 15:57
Alright, link Sasaki's comments.
Ok, Seamus' post convinced me, I guess I'll Vote: ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK for making me try to pronounce his name in my head
Seamus Fermanagh
08-26-2011, 16:18
Alright, link Sasaki's comments.
Lordy it has been a while. I think they were in one of GH's Mafia renditions 5-7. The issue keeps cropping up from time to time. I put no lynch in Capo because, with all the acitve night actions, it sometimes made more sense to investigate and wait....but capo generally has 20+ investigations going on each night along with all the blood, so the numbers are different. In a bog standard 1 detective, I remember the numbers end up putting more pressure on the mafia, at least in the end game, by lynching to reduce the field early on. Brutal, but ends up working.
johnhughthom
08-26-2011, 16:20
No lynch = sucks for town.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 16:23
I'm not going to hunt through several thousand posts for this, so I'll take your word for it.
Unvote; Vote: PopulusRomanus
I thought we'd at least compromised on "better for mid-to-late game."
TheLastDays
08-26-2011, 17:52
No lynches are lame!
I'm guilty. Lynch me.
Seconded :clown: I want Pizza as accompanying me in death.
Populus Romanus
08-26-2011, 18:24
I'm not going to hunt through several thousand posts for this, so I'll take your word for it.
Unvote; Vote: PopulusRomanus
I thought we'd at least compromised on "better for mid-to-late game."you're doing it wrong!
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 21:00
So desu ne. :shrug:
Can I just ask our host to clarify something? If the person who is voted to receive the shirt is killed by the mafia that night, will we still get the result of their scan?
Yes.
bestrfcplayer
08-26-2011, 22:13
Meh. B_Ray. Haven't really been following up on this game so.........
Use the Vote: Player format.
And make a new post, I'd prefer you don't edit posts that have votes in them.
Alright then, now that's clarified I'll
vote: Johhog
And, on a hunch (read: random guess as nobody has made a decent case yet)
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
I think I will vote Ishmael because his hesitant play-it-safe attitude seems unfitting for a townie.
Round over, write-up is coming.
TALLY:
Montmorency: 3 (Askthepizzaguy, Seamus, Tratorix)
Populus Romanus: 3 (B_Ray, Believer, Montmorency)
No Lynch: 2 (Johhog, Yaropolk)
Seamus: 1 (Ishmael)
Warman: 1 (Memnon)
Believer: 1 (Populus Romanus)
Ishmael: 1 (Seon)
Abstain: 1 (bestrfcplayer -- invalid vote)
Not Voting: 2 (JHT, Warman)
TALLY:
Johhog: 10 (Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, Memnon, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus, Tratorix, Yaropolk, Warman)
Warman: 1 (B_Ray)
Believer: 1 (JHT)
Not Voting: 3 (ATPG, bestrfcplayer, Seon)
Interesting, I just checked the opening post and found this:
2. Tied votes result in No Lynch.
Populus Romanus: "Hey, look at me! I'm Warman!"
Warman: "Hey, no you're not!"
Several of the other men began to accuse Populus Romanus of being worthy of death, for impersonation of a soldier, or "warman" in layman terms.
Populus Romanus: "Oh come on, is this a tea party? Don't be so uptight, I was just having a little fun."
After these words, the other men relaxed their suspicions -- for the most part.
Montmorency: "How about we just stop killing people?"
Seamus: "Heresy! Burn the non-believer!"
Montmorency: "No, no, listen to me! We can find the killer -- or killers -- better this way! We won't be killing ourselves, just using the shirt to try and locate the mysterious killer(s)!!!"
Askthepizzaguy: "This is idiocy. We should take this man to the gallows."
Yaropolk: "What gallows?"
Askthepizzaguy: "You know what I mean, you slimeball!"
While no one could come to a conclusion on who to lynch, nearly everyone agreed that Johhog should get the shirt.
Johhog: "Gee, thanks everyone! You guys rock!"
Once bedtime had come, still no consensus had been reached on who should die. Therefore, no one did.
Well, today, that is.
It is now NIGHT TWO!
ALIVE:
[15]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus
Seamus Fermanagh
Seon
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[1]
Double A (N1)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[2]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog -- current wearer
Montmorency
08-27-2011, 02:19
Oh, uh. I didn't actually realize we were tied, but now I can claim to be the No-Lynch Champion! Rally to me, fellows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg-WFkkKOaU
Wow. Well, I'll be keeping a tally from now on.
At least Montmorency got what he wanted after all. :laugh4:
johnhughthom
08-27-2011, 02:46
At least Montmorency got what he wanted after all. :laugh4:
And Johhog has a good target.
Populus Romanus
08-27-2011, 03:15
O the hazards of a simple name change. :sweatdrop:
Montmorency
08-27-2011, 03:35
We are now honor-bound to defend each other to the death. We share a bond deeper than that known by any other men.
And Johhog has a good target.
Indeed I have, but not who you think...
Double A
08-27-2011, 14:16
You suck, I'm killing you next time I get the opportunity.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=10167408#post10167408
jht needs to be investigated eventually.
Vey iz mir.
Random lynches are worthless. The less lynches, the more day phases. The more day phases, the more the shirt gets used. The more the shirt gets used, the more people are identified. The more people identified, the likelier it is that one of the mafiosi will be caught. If one of the mafiosi is caught, we use one of our sweet, precious lynches to devastating effect.
We have 1 investigation and 1 lynch each day. If we use them both, we get 14 or something according to your total. That means we get roughly the same number, but faster. This also eliminates the really freaking boring 48 hours of no discussion, because the mafia know they can just hide in the no lynch bandwagon.
Montmorency
08-27-2011, 17:17
Can't leta guy have a bit of fun, eh? I wasn't particularly serious about the No Lynch campaign, it came about by accident yesterday. I just noted that if patience and the Mafia schedule/calendar were not issues, we would be better off not lynching for a while.
But a veteran did say No Lynches were useful near the endgame, so we'll see when we get there.
Hear that, scum? MURDER ME AND IT STOPS
Seon was sleeping restlessly. He tossed and turned in his bed to no end; coincidentally, he was also a very light sleeper. So, naturally, when the dark figure crept into his room, Seon shot up out of bed.
Seon: "Who's there??"
The figure didn't respond. He walked into the room, closing the door behind him.
Seon: "Who are you??"
Again, no response. The figure inched closer to Seon.
And closer.
And closer.
Next thing Seon knew, the figure was standing right next to him. Seon yelped, scrambling to get out of bed. He ended up falling off the bed, onto the floor, and hurting his arm.
Seon: "Ohhhhhh, my arm."
The figure suddenly smiled.
Dark figure: "Here, I can help take away the pain."
He then slit Seon's throat.
-----
That morning, everyone was gathered down in the main room. Apprehensive.
When Johhog came down the stairs, alive and healthy, it rendered the others speechless with shock.
Tratorix: "You're... alive?"
Johhog: "Obviously. Unfortunately, Seon wasn't quite as lucky as myself. He is dead. But, I also have news, on a better note. Populus Romanus is town!"
Populus Romanus grinned.
Populus Romanus: "See? Aren't you glad you didn't kill me yesterday? Heehee!!!"
His accusers the previous day just muttered under their breath.
It is now DAY THREE!
ALIVE:
[14]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[2]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[2]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 01:52
Vote: Populous Romanus I guess. Though I am a bit concerned that the mafia didn't kill Johhoq, since having verified townies running around seems like a bad idea.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 01:52
Continue.
Vote: Populus Romanus
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 01:58
Why would that concern you, Tratorix? It's prettty good for town.
Vote: Tratorix
Believer
08-28-2011, 01:59
Vote: Populus Romanus
This almost seems to simple. Where is the strategy if we can just vote the guy who was confirmed innocent last round?
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 02:03
Why would that concern you, Tratorix? It's prettty good for town.
Vote: Tratorix
Yes. So there are three options.
1. The mafioso are stupid.
2. It's an attempt to sow discord and try to get us doubting the validity of the investigation results.
3. There is something about the investigation mechanic we are not aware of.
I'm going to assume it's either 2 or 3 since 1 is completely unhelpful. It's a terrible strategy to leave cleared townies alive, since it further narrows our pool of suspects.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 02:04
Believer, did you really think the shirt would abide a Mafia victory? This isn't some sort of unmanly test of wits
LIKE CHESS! :clown:
In this game, the iron fists of the town meet the hollow bones of the Mafia - and break them.
Well, Tratorix, you're saying that the Mafia knows something about scan mechanics that we don't.
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 02:10
Well, Tratorix, you're saying that the Mafia knows something about scan mechanics that we don't.
It's quite possible. The mafia often knows things the town doesn't.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 02:25
So then what, at least one of the first two scans is Mafia? That's the only way it would make sense. As in, a mafioso wearing the shirt gets opposite scan results?
I find it terribly difficult to believe that the first-timer (Memnon) is Mafia and that we happened to pick Mafia on the first day.
What happens if the mafia get the wolf shirt?:grin:
Ah, that changes matters. Very well. Mafia can definitely do something
Unvote: Tratorix
I don't think PR could be mafia though; doesn't make sense to draw attention to oneself with shenanigans.
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 02:35
I find it terribly difficult to believe that the first-timer (Memnon) is Mafia and that we happened to pick Mafia on the first day.
Neither of those things affect his chance of being mafia. But I'm not saying we should lynch him, it's just something to keep in mind.
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 02:35
Nothing to see here.
It would be amusing (in a twisted sense of the word) if the shirt was completely useless and gave town results for everybody...but in the interim we should probably trust it. I maintain my suspicion of Seamus Fermanagh, however, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I believe that Seon was killed to frame me (Egotistical? Moi?). He was the sole person to vote for me yesterday, and so it looks suspicious that he died. Seamus is fairly experienced, from what I gather, and so is probably the sort of person that could pull this off. Secondly, I voted for Seamus yesterday, and possibly he took offence at that. Maybe he thought I was a threat to him, and decided to kill two birds with one stone by murdering Seon and getting me lynched.
Yes, I realise none of the above is conclusive, or even overly indicative, but it's something to bear in mind. I won't vote for Seamus yet, in case somebody comes up with a decent case in the interim, but I'll vote for him later today if that doesn't occur. Also, I realise this post in worryingly similar to what got me killed as Bugsy in 'The Thing' mafia, but at least in this game I can keep talking after I'm dead. Anyway, that's just my two cents.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 03:35
Seamus is fairly experienced, from what I gather, and so is probably the sort of person that could pull this off. Secondly, I voted for Seamus yesterday, and possibly he took offence at that. Maybe he thought I was a threat to him, and decided to kill two birds with one stone by murdering Seon and getting me lynched.
That could just as easily be used to argue that someone is framing Seamus.
Recall the Vespasian game? I kept saying, "Woah, look at these lynches and night kills! Someone's got to be framing Ishmael."
Yeah, that didn't bear out so well.
Yes, I just realised that I've got a 3 from 3 losing record at Mafia, so it may be a good idea to just ignore everything I say :beam:. That said, I've got nothing better to go on at the moment.
That could just as easily be used to argue that someone is framing Seamus.
Recall the Vespasian game? I kept saying, "Woah, look at these lynches and night kills! Someone's got to be framing Ishmael."
Yeah, that didn't bear out so well.
:smug:
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 04:06
:stare: :angry:
vote: AskThePizzaGuy for being much too quiet. He must be scheming devious things.
vote: Seamus Fermanagh for hosting a game I'm very much looking forward to (not that this one isn't great, Zack!)
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 07:17
vote: AskThePizzaGuy for being much too quiet. He must be scheming devious things.
vote: Seamus Fermanagh for hosting a game I'm very much looking forward to (not that this one isn't great, Zack!)
Vote: B_Ray for voting for me on such awful reasoning, not voting Romanus the shirt.
I'm quiet because as interesting as being a vanilla townie in a game with detectives and not being scanned or murdered like I asked is lame, I have other games which require actual thought which I'm playing in on other sites, take up more of my time.
VOTE: Populus Romanus
VOTE: Askthepizzaguy
Let me get rid of your pain.
Btw, whatcha gonna ask him? The Pizza Guy?
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 08:30
HEY I HAS AN IDEA
WHY NOT SCAN ME LIKE I ASKED TWICE ALREADY
DERPA DERPA DERPA DOOOOOO :laugh4:
Good god people, you can't read me at all, ever.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 08:33
Do I has to post proof that you can't read me for :daisy:? Do I have to bring out the record books and SHOW YOU how awful you are at reading me? Do I? Do I???
I'll do it.
I'll bleepin do it.
You're not the only one. But they've never got me correctly as scum. :P (Cause I've only been it once. :P:)
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 08:37
You're not the only one. But they've never got me correctly as scum. :P (Cause I've only been it once. :P:)
I've been scum in like 25-30 games now on 3 different fora. I have roughly 125-140 games under my belt.
I've been guessed as mafia exactly once, provided it wasn't done via detective result and I was mafia and had mafia allies (No SK included in this example).
And that was my first game as scum, second game ever.
Wanna see? I have the record, I can post it for you.
I'd like to see the game actually.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 08:54
So here it is.
My first game as scum, The Prometheus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108954-The-Prometheus-Large-Mafia-Game-%28Concluded-mafia-win%29), I was a round 4 lynch because I was acting scummy. That said, it was my second overall game ever. You couldn't really pattern my behavior yet accurately, I feel that was a lucky guess/lynch someone for different playstyle. But I'll count it. (Lynched)
second game (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=207185), won, lynched on detective result only, partner survived. I bussed him hard but he didn't die. (Lynched)
third game (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=217758), won, didn't get lynched. (Not lynched)
fourth game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?111209-You-Can-t-Win-Small-Game-%28Concluded%29), started as neutral, deduced who the scum was by behavior alone, blackmailed him into recruiting me, won as mafia. (Not lynched)
Fifth game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?113773-The-fight-for-Inishmore-%28Concluded%29), lost because godfather got lynched, which causes auto-loss for the team. My godfather only got lynched because the game host changed the rules and just made stuff up halfway through the game, directly impacting my godfather in an unfair way. I wasn't lynched, and she wasn't going to get lynched until the game host interfered. Was rather close to victory, too. (Not lynched)
Sixth game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?117345-TF-Mini-Mafia-I-Mass-Effect-%28In-Play%29), won and even outed myself and my partner on the last day in a very high risk move. I didn't know who my partner was, but I deduced it from his scummy behavior and then posted it for all to see. We then lynched someone else and won together. (Not lynched)
Seventh game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?118881-Hitman-s-Gambit-Mini-Mafia), won as last man standing in a bloodbath victory, accomplishing all my goals. I was scanned on night zero and found to be scum by the way. I'll include Beefy as my "partner" in this one simply because he helped me win and I could/should have helped him win. (Not lynched)
Eighth game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123657-Alien-vs-Yakuza-%28Concluded%29), me and my partner survived unscathed. (Not lynched)
Ninth game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-Concluded), my partner died before I was even recruited, due to strange mechanics. I started off neutral. Defeated all other factions besides the cult and allied with the mafia/cult. Made it to the final two, lost on a coin toss but still awarded a win. No lynch here, even when I outed myself as scum. Don't ask, you don't wanna know. (Not lynched)
Tenth game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127171-Chinese-Zodiac-Mafia-Concluded), me and my partner survived unscathed. (Not lynched)
Eleventh game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127416-The-Revenge-of-Inishmore%21-Concluded), the team I was recruited to won, and I helped them win. Problem was, game host reverted my alignment back to original when I died and didn't inform me. As such, that's a bastard host move and I should have won. I wasn't lynched here either. (Not lynched)
Twelfth game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?130114-Roman-Brutality), nearly flawless but I timed the last lynch improperly by an hour, and the lynch reversed and hit my partner. I survived anyway. (Not lynched)
Thirteenth game (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=309105), flawless. (Not lynched)
Fourteenth game (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384005), flawless. (Not lynched)
Fifteenth game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=337438), nearly flawless. (Not lynched)
Sixteenth game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=420676), flawless (Not lynched)
Seventeenth game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=413731), brought team from brink of defeat to total victory after Domination 3000 outed the entire team. (Not lynched)
There was a game where I was converted to a cult and murdered right afterward, I hardly count that as me being mafia or being lynched either but I was technically scum for a round. (Not lynched) [Council of Villains 2, can't find the link.]
How about games the host abandoned?
Downgradez by Iskander 3.1 = I was scum, not lynched. (Not lynched)
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Swords and D20's III) That was with 2 detective results on me Night one!
Subotan (Bridge Zhou Far) Nearly won the game, but the host abandoned it on the final rounds. (Not lynched)
Totalwar.org = 88 games.
TotalwarCenter = roughly 20 games.
Civilization Fanatics Center = roughly 20 games.
Times lynched as Mafia (meaning, not solo or recruited cult) excluding detective results = ONE TIME, on my first game as scum.
Hasn't happened since.
Know why?
Because people don't even try to read me. They don't even try. They don't bother, they just randomly decide to lynch me or not, and they've been wrong again, and again, and again. And then they need their precious detectives to figure me out, and that is why I hate detectives.
But go ahead!
SCAN ME!
I double triple dog dare you, townies. Because you can't guess my alignment at all without the help of the game host telling you what my alignment is.
Can't judge me worth a gad dang, never have. You clearly need help. So, do it. Use your crutch. Scan Askthepizzaguy.
What about Cpdwane in Buffy IV? Or was that just a hunch? I suppose, you were converted. I suspected you, but I killed SS instead.
Not counting vigs?
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 09:12
What about Cpdwane in Buffy IV? Or was that just a hunch? I suppose, you were converted. I suspected you, but I killed SS instead.
Yeah, cult example though. I was townie most of the game, helped defeat them, and got desperation converted at the end, out of what I can only conclude was spite or grasping at straws. You want to count that one, fine I guess... but that's stretching the definitions a bit. I'll include examples where I was starting cult, but I was mostly townie in that game, just like the council of villains example.
Even if you include it, the reason I was lynched wasn't because I was acting scummy, as my record was 100% townie up until the round I got lynched. It was because there was a cult, and for no other reason.
And even if you include it, that's not a record townies should be proud of. I challenge you guys to finally start to rack up some "Askthepizzaguy is acting scummy" lynches that are actually true and don't rely on the crutch of the game host revealing my card at your whims.
That's not what mafia should be about. Try to read me. Come on, I post more than most other people, I HAVE to be leaving clues somewhere! SOLVE ME!!!
Just TRY, that's all I'm asking. :bigcry: Just bleedin' try, for once....
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 09:17
And if you don't want to try, there's a detective in this game. Do it the wimpy way. Reveal my card. Blind lynch me for no reason, and the streak continues.
I dare you folks to man up and solve me the hard way. But, if you can't do it, just use your crutch and scan me. You blow this chance, and I'll never look at townies the same way again. And my opinion of townies is really at an all-time low, after such games as The Campground and Mafia X where townies wouldn't ever stop calling for my head. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Then we have Netherworld, and you were wrong again.
I challenge you. Your reputations as townies are on the line here. Try to solve me, for real, this time.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 09:29
Not counting vigs?
Games I was actually vigged in as scum? What are they?:book:
I don't think it's happened yet, tbh.
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Or was it Buffy IV? That may have been the only time, and like I said, it was the round after I got converted, and I was townie the entire rest of the time.
That's still a lousy example.
Buffy IV yeah. That's the only game I played with you, with you as a scum. It's an example nonetheless. :P
I haven't made it past night one in my last games except for Vespasian where I was scum, so don't blame me. :P (Except for Midgard. That was my own fault).
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 09:46
Buffy IV yeah. That's the only game I played with you, with you as a scum. It's an example nonetheless. :P
What I'm looking for are examples of games where I was mafia scum (not neutral, not SK) and I was lynched because I was acting scummy.
Why am I doing that?
Because, in this game, there's a mafia. And, I'm being voted because people think me being quieter than usual is scummy.
Okay, then let's run with that premise. If I'm being voted because I am scummy, then I wonder exactly how good our scumdars are. So I checked and lo and behold, the last people to guess correctly and lynch me because I was scummy was 3 years and over a hundred games ago. Now, in the interim, there is a game or two where I'm townie, townie, townie, townie, townie, recruited as cult, then murdered. That's not what I'm looking for as an example of townies actually reading me correctly. That's an example of townies having to guess *who got converted*, not who was *acting scummy*. That's different.
Do you see what I'm saying? And I've been lynched countless times by countless townies who think I'm scummy, and they've either been wrong or had the host point out my scum for them. So either the scumdar needs adjustment, or they need to keep scanning me, and I just think that's lame as heck.
(deep breath)
So, do you think I am scummy? Okay, so why did I ask to be scanned N1, and then ask to be scanned N2? Are you suggesting I have diamond cojones? Are we suggesting that I believe I can survive this game as scum by asking to be scanned and having people not listen to me every time?
Is that the suggestion???
OKAY! LETS RUN WITH THAT! I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENT!
SCAN ME.
:bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 09:56
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, we don't scan me, and we don't lynch me, because either one should be really bleeping absurd if you think about it.
Maybe you scan someone else and find a scumbag. Maybe you lynch someone else and find a scumbag.
Maybe that's the whole point of getting the "scan pizza" out of the way ASAP, so you'll have a better shot at scanning scum later on in the game, where you have fewer suspects.
Maybe trying to demonstrate how townie I am by asking to be scanned twice in a row, now three times in a row, will assist you in not wasting time lynching me or scanning me.
Maybe all of this was my calculated strategy at the beginning of the game, based on the host's stated setup.
Maybe everything I've done all game long has been 100% pro-town, and demonstrably so, and there's not a single SCUMMY thing about it, and everyone suggesting I'm "scummy" now needs to get their heads examined!
Calm down (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qcLy8h9grQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=112s) Neddily diddily diddly.... they tried their best shoddily-iddly-iddly.... not their fault they can't read me worth a diddly diddly diddly....
Sorry for the repeated intrusion but somebody voting ATPG because he is a panicing scum will make my day. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 10:12
Sorry for the repeated intrusion but somebody voting ATPG because he is a panicing scum will make my day. :laugh4:
DOOOOO EEEET!!!! DOOOOOOOOO EEEEEEET!!!!
:laugh4:
I want to see that. I want to have this on my record. Make it happen, people.
I must say, ATPG's continuous posting and frantic defence of himself really looks like he's panicking scum. Vote:ATPG.
...
Good enough :laugh4:? That said, I'll retain the vote based on the following logic:
a) If we lynch ATPG and he's innocent, his streak continues
b) If we scan ATPG and he's scum (or town) his streak still continues, as it will count as a detective scan
c) If we lynch ATPG and he's scum, we break his streak.
Therefore, if we want to uphold ATPG's wishes we should take option c) and lynch him. QED :yes:.
Also, vote: Populus Romanus.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 12:04
unvote, vote: Believer
I don't care what random.org said, voting newbies is poor form.
Vote: Memnon
Welcome to mafia at the org, only a few of us are as ill-mannered as that Believer chap.
VOTE: TheLastDays
VOTE: Memnon
I'm just wanting to blend in with the crowd and don't reveal myself as scum.
Nah, but I agree with the view that the "I haven't got a role PM yet OHALP" post was scummy. Furthermore, why did you unvote and then making another random vote?
Memnon can get the shirt. MOAR SHIRTS TO THE CROWD!
JHT voted Memnon the shirt.
Johhog voted Memnon the shirt.
Memnon voted Johnhughthom the shirt.
Memnon: "I checked Double A's room; he's dead. I tried to use the power of the shirt to determine his murderer -- for his throat was slit -- but it was to no avail. All I discovered was that Johhog didn't do it." (Johhog has been scanned as town!)
Johhog: "Well, the shirt obviously works."
Memnon scans Johhog with the shirt.
Makes sense, agreed. Vote: Johhog
Well, now it's just about the process of elimination. :embarassed:
Vote: No Lynch
Memnon votes Johhog for the shirt.
Vote: Believer
Memnon, was there any particular reason you scanned Johhog?
JHT questions why Memnon scanned Johog.
As Montmorency pointed out we want to NL here.
VOTE: Johhog
VOTE: No Lynch
FOR SHIRT AND FOR COUNTRY.
Oh, and I second the question if we get a scan or not if (when) I die. I suppose we would, or Mafia would always kill the shirt holder.
Johog votes himself for the shirt.
When Johhog came down the stairs, alive and healthy, it rendered the others speechless with shock.
Tratorix: "You're... alive?"
Johhog: "Obviously. Unfortunately, Seon wasn't quite as lucky as myself. He is dead. But, I also have news, on a better note. Populus Romanus is town!"
Populus Romanus grinned.
Populus Romanus: "See? Aren't you glad you didn't kill me yesterday? Heehee!!!"
His accusers the previous day just muttered under their breath.
Johog isn't murdered N2.
VOTE: Populus Romanus
VOTE: Askthepizzaguy
Let me get rid of your pain.
Btw, whatcha gonna ask him? The Pizza Guy?
This is the last bleeping straw.
The scumbags are Johhog and Memnon, who used the shirt to "clear" themselves. When the mafia scum wear the shirt, they can "clear" other scumbags, as Zack's smug little smiley face implies.
When they're not murdered at night, I hope you people realize this and destroy them.
As for me, having Johhog vote me instead of scanning me as I requested is good enough reason to MAKE HIM DIE.
unvote, vote: Johhog
Nice try, scummo. But what, may I ask, was your plan for later on in the game? Were you maybe gonna have to murder members of your own team? Maybe?
Vote: Askthepizzaguy for the shirt.
Let me scan Memnon. Even if you don't lynch the clearly guilty Johhog, I'll find out the truth tonight, and I'll have Memnon and Johhog exposed for their treachery by tomorrow. BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! :evil:
After that, kill Johnhughthom. Do it.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 12:07
I must say, ATPG's continuous posting and frantic defence of himself really looks like he's panicking scum. Vote:ATPG.
I must say, your post looks like bird poop. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 12:23
Oh, in case you're wondering, this is a Zack-hosted game.
Yes, that Zack.
The Zack who hosted Zack mafia and Zack mafia II.
The Zack who creates extremely bizarre setups. He's almost as bad as me in that regard.
This whole game is a concept game. The concept of the game revolves around the shirt.
The shirt, which by the way, the rules don't state explicitly what happens when the scums get the shirt.
The shirt, which by the way, was voted to someone by the people who were then scanned by the shirt.
The shirt, which by the way, is being passed on to the people who got scanned by the shirt.
The people who voted for the people who either held the shirt or were scanned by the shirt, by the way, were voted in kind by the people who either held the shirt or were scanned by the shirt.
Co-inky-dinky-tastic! :laugh4: Surely just a coincidence.
For balance, this game has.... 4 scumbags. :book:
They scan a couple or even three of themselves, and we wonder why they're not getting murdered.
Zack allows them to murder someone. Like Johhog. They still have 3 left. They'll win easily.
Then they continue murdering as we try to scan everyone else in the game who hasn't been scanned.
WELL I SAY NAY-NAY.
Before you can assume all that garbage is true, why not toss a monkey wrench in this grand plan. Why not give the shirt to someone you know is a townie without even having scanned them, i.e. ME.
I'll confirm if Memnon's scan of Johhog is worth ANYTHING AT ALL.
Then, let's have..... I dunno.... someone completely random, you name the person. Have THAT person scan me.
Then you'll know if MY scan of Memnon is worth a darned thing at all.
Yes. So there are three options.
1. The mafioso are stupid.
2. It's an attempt to sow discord and try to get us doubting the validity of the investigation results.
3. There is something about the investigation mechanic we are not aware of.
I'm going to assume it's either 2 or 3 since 1 is completely unhelpful. It's a terrible strategy to leave cleared townies alive, since it further narrows our pool of suspects.
Believer, did you really think the shirt would abide a Mafia victory? This isn't some sort of unmanly test of wits
LIKE CHESS! :clown:
In this game, the iron fists of the town meet the hollow bones of the Mafia - and break them.
Well, Tratorix, you're saying that the Mafia knows something about scan mechanics that we don't.
It's quite possible. The mafia often knows things the town doesn't.
So then what, at least one of the first two scans is Mafia? That's the only way it would make sense. As in, a mafioso wearing the shirt gets opposite scan results?
I find it terribly difficult to believe that the first-timer (Memnon) is Mafia and that we happened to pick Mafia on the first day.
What happens if the mafia get the wolf shirt?:grin:
Ah, that changes matters. Very well. Mafia can definitely do something
Unvote: Tratorix
I don't think PR could be mafia though; doesn't make sense to draw attention to oneself with shenanigans.
You were right, Tratorix. You were right, Montmorency. I see it now.
We can still stop their plan. It can happen. But the very first thing that needs to happen is the townies need to take their collective heads out of their collective buttocks and not 100% trust Johhog and Memnon.
Maybe you don't lynch them immediately. Maybe you just test this theory first.
It doesn't matter. It's still early enough in the game. You could play it cautiously, and if I'm right, you've already nailed 2 of the scumbags and you've got some nice leads as to who numbers 3 and 4 could be.
Then you know what? Lynch me anyway. Just to get it out of your system. You know you wanna.
Boo-yah. :cool:
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RULES
5. No alignment reveal after death.
6. Deceased players may not reveal any information that is not available in thread, but are allowed to contribute to discussion as much as they like.
Gosh! NO ALIGNMENT REVEAL!
I wonder if maybe it would cause problems if someone scanned as townie but flipped mafia on death!
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 12:26
I'm going to repeat that. Because it bears repeating.
RULES
5. No alignment reveal after death.
6. Deceased players may not reveal any information that is not available in thread, but are allowed to contribute to discussion as much as they like.
Gosh! NO ALIGNMENT REVEAL!
I wonder if maybe it would cause problems if someone scanned as townie but flipped mafia on death!
:bow: Thank you this has been Askthepizzaguy, Tratorix, and Montmorency solving the game for you. You're welcome.
You know what ATPG, you've half convinced me. That is, I'll still vote for you to be lynched, but I'll also vote to give you the shirt.
unvote, vote: ATPG
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 12:29
You know what ATPG, you've half convinced me. That is, I'll still vote for you to be lynched, but I'll also vote to give you the shirt.
unvote, vote: ATPG
Good, you're halfway to a wise decision. :beam:
If you don't like me or trust me, ask Seamus Fermanagh or Believer or.... most folks, really, to have the shirt and to scan Memnon tonight.
We can even totally wimp out and go No Lynch.
But seriously. I have the cojones to just blind lynch Johhog for his treachery. I don't need no freaking scan results. :evil: Join me?
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 13:05
Now, let's look at the activity chart and see how screwed town is regardless of what I say.
TOWNIES
Askthepizzaguy- sane
Montmorency- sane
Tratorix- sane
-----
B_Ray- voting for me, but is likely still sane
LESS ACTIVE TOWNIES
Believer- less active
bestrfcplayer- less active
Seamus Fermanagh- less active
Yaropolk- less active
Warman- less active
DUBIOUS
Ishmael- voting for me, even though he wants to give me the shirt. What the fig tree?
LIKELY SCUMBAGS
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1), voting for me
Memnon
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
johnhughthom
And how much time is remaining?
Deadline:
Well, I'm boned today. That's kewl. But, you still have Tratorix and Montmorency and a smattering of less active folks who can take heed of what I say and save the game.
You lynch me and allow Populus to have the shirt, you won't be able to trust those results. You need someone completely objective and impartial to scan Memnon.
That's the only way you can trust Memnon's scans, and by extension, Johhog's scans.
Ignore me at your peril, have a nice round.
johnhughthom
08-28-2011, 13:14
No death reveals, hadn't noticed that.
Vote: ATPG
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 13:22
No death reveals, hadn't noticed that.
Vote: ATPG
Mmmm a little better.
But, this doesn't matter much if I'm lynched. Also, you were the first to vote Memnon the shirt, so I have my peepers on you.
That's only 50/50 really, it's not as bad as what Johhog and Memnon have been doing. There could be a bunch of scumbags and you may have simply gotten unlucky. Or, this could have been your plan. I'm not sure which is the case.
If you manage to stop this nonsense and we get to scan Memnon by someone I trust, then I'll drop you as a suspect for your townie moves here.
For that to happen I need to not be lynched today.
Let me live and have me personally perform the scan, or, a group of three people that are not me, and not Johhog, Memnon, or Populus Romanus get to choose who wears the shirt today to scan Memnon tonight.
You have to scan Memnon and it has to be reliable. Or, we can do things the Askthepizzaguy way, which is lynch based on scummy behavior. Which means lynch Johhog, then Memnon, and then me if you think this is all a trap.
johnhughthom
08-28-2011, 13:25
I like to think I have a history of doing something to welcome newbies to games which is all my voting the shirt to Memnon was.
The shirt, which by the way, the rules don't state explicitly what happens when the scums get the shirt.
The obvious answer to this is false results, surely framing Askthepizzaguy on night one would be high on the list of cool things to do for mafia? Didn't happen.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 13:32
I like to think I have a history of doing something to welcome newbies to games which is all my voting the shirt to Memnon was.
I'd really like to believe you, I need all the allies I can get right now.
The obvious answer to this is false results, surely framing Askthepizzaguy on night one would be high on the list of cool things to do for mafia? Didn't happen.
Not as valuable as the "clearing" of Johhog.
It's a nice idea but here's the big flaw in such a plan:
There aren't more than say, 4 mafia.
Even if you do the scan a player, give them the shirt deal, what happens after about 4 rounds? A townie gets the shirt.
Then what? They scan Memnon or Johhog and that plan unravels completely.
It's super high risk. It won't work, I just exposed the big weakness. Thing is, the scums are going to be a larger team to combat the shirt, and they only need about 4 or 5 mislynches to win the game or have the townies so confused they cannot solve it.
It's worth it. The game is won in the first few rounds really, assuming the townies don't get their act together and doubt the scans quickly.
But townies being townies, they rely on detectives to save the game for them. As such, they deserve to get pwned by the shirt.
But I don't trust these claims, and so therefore, I cannot be defeated by the shirt. I can only be defeated by my fellow townies now.
But yeah, regarding the mafia getting to pick what the scan results are, you're right: I FULLY expect that if any scan on me were to happen by Populus Romanus tonight, I'd scan mafia. But, if say.... one of the people who opposed giving Memnon the shirt were to scan me, I'd scan townie.
Interesting. And if I were to scan townie, I'd get murdered really fast. Same night, most likely.
As such, I can't recommend scanning me except by roughly half of the players in the game which I doubt are invested in this Memnon gambit. Trouble is since I'm a suspect you can't really trust who I would recommend.
Who would be the most impartial?
Maybe, just maybe, the scum kept us alive just so they could attack us for still being alive, huh? If we don't lynch me today I can accept your run for the shirt, that's fine for me. But the point is, you don't really have any case on me. And yeah, the next non-ATPG-shirtholder should investigate him.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 13:55
Maybe, just maybe, the scum kept us alive just so they could attack us for still being alive, huh? If we don't lynch me today I can accept your run for the shirt, that's fine for me.
Okay I accept your challenge.
Unvote me and I'll scan Memnon, and that will clear Memnon and yourself if I am in fact a townie.
But, that won't convince people. They'll need a third party to confirm me. Trouble is, I don't know who all your friends are and I can't guarantee they won't be scum.
I'm not as worried about that though, I just want the scan on Memnon by me. If that happens, then I'll know what's really happening here.
But the point is, you don't really have any case on me.
The case on you is as simple as can be: you're voting for me and I know I'm townie. Best scum catching method I've ever used, and it has the skulls of many who came before you on my mantle.
But, if you want specific reasons, your actions and memnon's actions and the current giving of the shirt to Populus Romanus directly mirrors the behavior of the scumbags who would be performing a "falsely clear your ally" move. It's uncanny.
I don't like coincidences, so that's why I believe it's happening. That plus your vote on me. If it wasn't both happening at once, I'd probably ignore it, but together? Scummiest thing in the universe.
And yeah, the next non-ATPG-shirtholder should investigate him.
Still need impartial names. Who is impartial?
If we assume there's 4 scums on your team, or, if we assume I'm scum and I have my own fictional army of scumbag allies (who are going to let me get lynched today, lol) then who do we trust to be truly impartial with the scans?
That's tough. I don't know who I could recommend to scan me, whose opinion I would trust, whose opinion others would trust. Obviously if I choose folks like Believer or Seamus Fermanagh, given their votes to give me the shirt, it will look like they're my scum buddies.
I dunno. I don't really care about all that. If I get a scan off on Memnon and he flips townie, then I know I can trust Memnon and his scans on Johhog, and Johhog's scans on Populus Romanus by extension.
I'm just wagering none of that happens. I doubt I survive long enough to scan anyone. I doubt if I get the shirt I'll live to see the morning where my results would come through. I wonder if they would even work if I die with the shirt on.
I am thinking I get the shirt, scan Memnon, and I get murdered and there's no detective result. Next person tries to confirm Memnon, same deal happens to them.
Oh I wish I could stay up and think this all through but it is almost 9AM and I have work in 6 hours. I have to sleep.
But I will check in just before work, read this thread as my top priority, and see if we haven't figured this out.
But you know what? I'd rather be Askthepizzaguy and just plain old lynch Johhog. I'm in that kind of mood where I want to take the shirt's results and toss them in the garbage. They mean nothing to me. This is purely for the townie's benefit who want to trust in the shirt to win the game for them.
I don't trust the shirt. :snobby: I trust my brain. It makes mistakes but is more trustworthy than a device whose results are going to be obviously flawed by the bearer if the bearer is scum, in a game with an unknown number of scum and not tons of time to solve it.
So my top recommendation is me gets the shirt, I scans Memnon, we lynches Johhog.
My next top recommendation is me gets the shirt, I scans Memnon, we lynches nobody.
My next top recommendation is someone besides Populus Romanus or JHT gets the shirt, they scans Memnon, we lynches Johhog.
My next top recommendation is someone besides Populus Romanus or JHT gets the shirt, they scans Memnon, we lynches nobody.
After that, I can't recommend any moves besides No lynch.
Believer
08-28-2011, 14:06
Unvote; Populus Romanus.
Vote: ATPG
Vote: Abstain
For now.
Nah, it would be pointless to lynch me. I personally doubt this thing about scum clearing scum buddies when they get the shirt. A No Lynch is fine for me though.
Guys, remember, if you lynch me, don't give ATPG the shirt, and if you give him the shirt, don't lynch me. You can't have both.
VOTE: Askthepizzaguy
UNVOTE: Askthepizzaguy
VOTE: No Lynch
johnhughthom
08-28-2011, 14:38
I personally doubt this thing about scum clearing scum buddies when they get the shirt.
What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?
Vote: Johhog
For now.
My internet's down because of the hurricane, so i have to use my phone, meaning I can't vote, although if I could I would vote to give pizzaguy the shirt and to lynch monty, apparently the color or bolded text doesn't work on this.
If pizzaguy's assumptions are correct about the mafia-shirt thing, then, unless the shirt malfunctions or something then myself, populus, and johhog are townies, pizza, scan me if you want, but it would only serve to re-clear three people.
What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?
Vote: Johhog
For now.
How I wish that I knew. Also, JHT, don't say "for now". Everyone voting me needs to tell me why. It's failproof to No Lynch/Lynch someone not me, Memnon or Populus Romanus, because ATPG will scan Memnon tonight, making it unnecessary to lynch me.
Double A
08-28-2011, 15:03
Kill Johog! Give Pizza the shirt! Get movie sign!
Ready? Go!
johnhughthom
08-28-2011, 15:07
How I wish that I knew. Also, JHT, don't say "for now". Everyone voting me needs to tell me why. It's failproof to No Lynch/Lynch someone not me, Memnon or Populus Romanus, because ATPG will scan Memnon tonight, making it unnecessary to lynch me.
You don't think the mafia get false scans, but don't know what could happen when they get the shirt? I think it's pretty obvious why I'm voting you, if you had given a real answer to my question I might have moved my vote. You didn't, so I won't.
Guys, I don't know if you did read the game rules or not, but it's NO REVEAL. A lynch on me would be a wasted lynch on a known innocent. Surely you must be able to wait for a day before you lynch me? If Memnon flips guilty, lynch me all you want to.
You don't think the mafia get false scans, but don't know what could happen when they get the shirt? I think it's pretty obvious why I'm voting you, if you had given a real answer to my question I might have moved my vote. You didn't, so I won't.
Am I missing something obvious here? How do we know what happens when Mafia has the shirt?
johnhughthom
08-28-2011, 15:42
Am I missing something obvious here? How do we know what happens when Mafia has the shirt?
We don't, the obvious idea has been suggested and you rejected it with no other suggestions offered.
Ok, somehow my internet came back up for the moment, so I'll Vote:Askthepizzaguy in order to clear my name, or if something unknown happens, cause me to be lynched.:shrug:
Vote:Montmorency
That is frightening if the shirt could be used like that by the mafia, but it hasn't for all of my knowledge, I voted Johhog after everyone else did because the shirt had cleared his name. So, yeah, Pizza scan me, in order to resolve this conundrum.:dizzy2:
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 18:27
Unvote, Vote: Johhog
Unvote, Vote: ATPG
Lets see where this goes.
Why don't we wait until Pizza's scan of me to lynch Johhog? When I turn up townie, then Johhog will be vindicated, as will Populus, the only problem I see is that Pizza may indeed be mafia, so I'm not sure wghat his scan will produce. All I know is thaut I'm town, and if I am, then so should Johhog, as well as Populus.(sorry for grammaer and/or spelling, back to my phone).
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 19:13
I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.
There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?
Unvote: Populus Romanus
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 19:21
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
But who do we give the shirt to? We can never completely trust that the person we give it to isn't mafia (thanks a lot Zack you evil jerk).
Everyone voting me needs to unvote NOW. Remember that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
All I can say(and hope you believe) is that i'm not mafia, so if i'm not mafia, neither is Johhog, and so neither is Populus, I am a townie, the only way to prove it is to make multiple scans, and that's just a waste, as is not giving the shirt to anyone. Besides, would I be so obviously making a target for lynching out of myself if I was mafia? I'm not completely new to this
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 19:33
All I can say(and hope you believe) is that i'm not mafia, so if i'm not mafia, neither is Johhog, and so neither is Populus, I am a townie, the only way to prove it is to make multiple scans, and that's just a waste, as is not giving the shirt to anyone. Besides, would I be so obviously making a target for lynching out of myself if I was mafia? I'm not completely new to this
No, the only way to prove it investigate you. If you come up townie, your scans can be verified, at least for the most part.
Everyone voting me needs to unvote NOW. Remember that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
I don't think ATPG is a good lynch. Provide me with a better target and I'll consider it.
What we need is to get the less active people on board to get better profiles, come on people, I just went through a hurricane!
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 19:41
That's what I'm saying. If you three are innocent, and Pizza is Mafia, then you will all (presumably) come up as Mafia.
I just don't know. Suggesting that I get the shirt here would be laughable, but I guess I will try.
Vote: Montmorency
Take a chance on me? :/
And that hurricane tweren't even a thang, the tornado did loads more damage.
Yes, but if all three of us came up as mafia, wouldn't that put suspicion on Pizza as well? I don't know, I guess I'll Vote: Montmorency
Unvote,Vote: Warmansomethingorother
Believer
08-28-2011, 20:31
I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.
There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?
Unvote: Populus Romanus
This is the scummiest post yet in the game.
You do remember that it is the host that reveals the result of the lynch, not the player himself? So there is no way for mafia to fudge up who's guilty. You deserve this lynch.
Unvote; Abstain
Vote: Montmorency
No, the only way to prove it investigate you. If you come up townie, your scans can be verified, at least for the most part.
I don't think ATPG is a good lynch. Provide me with a better target and I'll consider it.
Lynch? I'm voting ATPG for the shirt, not for the lynch.
holy crap, tl;dr
OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPV the Sacred Shirt?
OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state
:laugh4:
johnhughthom
08-28-2011, 20:46
PizzaVolcano, mmmm, molten cheese.
Pizza is a dish best served hot-as-lava.
holy crap, tl;dr
OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPV the Sacred Shirt?
To sum it up, Pizza's angry at me and Johhog for not scanning him and thinks that we are involved in a conspiracy as the mafia, he wants the shirt in order to scan me to prove that we three(Memnon, Populus, and Johhog) are town-aligned because when I am proven innocent(unless Pizza is mafia) then we have three proven townies who have not been killed off yet.
The strategy that Pizza supports entails me being scanned, Johhog being lynched, and then follow-up on the scan.
Not to say that I support the lynching of Johhog, because when I'm proven innocent, so will Johhog and Populus, I say lynch the quiet!
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 21:17
I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.
There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.
Hi Montmorency. My name is Askthepizzaguy, I don't believe we've met.
We have now. Consider this standard Askthepizzaguy behavior.
Want evidence of similar behavior? Let me drag out Visions of the Animus so I could point out what happened when Kagemusha was the second person to join my wagon on day 2.
What happened was I had a seizure and insisted he died. Guess what I was right he was mafia. And dead sexy too.
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
Yup that's why someone else needs to scan me.
And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?
That would be fine, but ideal is to have me scan Memnon.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 21:21
For the record, since Memnon supports Montmorency for the shirt, I cannot support Montmorency for the shirt.
Sorry. Memnon's group has gotten plenty of people to have the shirt, and I don't want you choosing who gets the shirt next. You're disqualified because you have a conflict of interest. I can't trust Montmorency's results fully, for obvious reasons.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 21:21
And I noted that if Pizza is Mafia, his scan of Memnon would likely mark him as Mafia. This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches on Memnon, Johhog, and Populus. Which would cost town the game.
Believer, how about you read the very first post in this thread, detailing the rules. Specifically, Zack's response to Subotan. I bet you're just mad about the chess remark.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 21:24
New plan. Pizza gets the shirt. Knock yourself out. THEN we scan Pizza. Especially if he doesn't get killed. Sound good?
Unvote; Vote: Pizzaguy
Edit: Yes, I realize that this is technically the old plan.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 21:26
And I noted that if Pizza is Mafia, his scan of Memnon would likely mark him as Mafia. This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches on Memnon, Johhog, and Populus. Which would cost town the game.
Well first of all, I'm town. :smug:
Secondly, you don't necessarily auto-lynch Memnon even if I find him guilty. You scan me next.
Thirdly, ummmm what if I were somehow mafia with Memnon? Me scanning him and finding him innocent doesn't mean we aren't both guilty.
Such sloppy deductive work really scares me guys. Tighten up.
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 21:28
New plan. Pizza gets the shirt. Knock yourself out. THEN we scan Pizza. Especially if he doesn't get killed. Sound good?
Unvote; Vote: Pizzaguy
Edit: Yes, I realize that this is technically the old plan.
You have gained an experience level. Montmorency is evolving! Press B to cancel.
Montmorency evolved into Super-Ultra-Mechamontmorency.
All his votes are now super effective.
Montmorency
08-28-2011, 21:29
Did you really sig yourself from a few hours ago?
:jawdrop:
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 21:31
Vote:Montmorency
That is frightening if the shirt could be used like that by the mafia, but it hasn't for all of my knowledge, I voted Johhog after everyone else did because the shirt had cleared his name. So, yeah, Pizza scan me, in order to resolve this conundrum.:dizzy2:
Wait, I almost missed this entirely.
Why did you vote for Montmorency in the first place?
We're now in our third day, these votes for no reason need to start having reasons attached to them, thus negating the no-reason part from now on.
Now you voted for Warman too, and while I'm not objecting :smug: there technically should be reasons for that one as well.
I need answers to this.
unvote, vote: Memnon
Askthepizzaguy
08-28-2011, 21:32
Did you really sig yourself from a few hours ago?
It's pretty awesome, isn't it?
I really had no reason to vote montmorency, it was really just a gut feeling(guess). I changed to warman because he's been quiet and his name kind of annoys me. I didn't realize we were at the point where votes had to make sense yet. Besides, I don't really have a good profile on him or any of the other lurkers yet. :shrug:
Tratorix
08-28-2011, 22:18
I really had no reason to vote montmorency, it was really just a gut feeling(guess). I changed to warman because he's been quiet and his name kind of annoys me. I didn't realize we were at the point where votes had to make sense yet. Besides, I don't really have a good profile on him or any of the other lurkers yet. :shrug:
See the main reason I don't trust you or Johhog is posts like this. Thats an awful lot of words to say "It's a random vote". I know it's your first game, but your posts reek of being scum trying too hard to look helpful.
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