Buffy Mafia 2: A Slayer's Work Game Thread [Concluded]

[autolycus]

Buffy Mafia 2 : A Slayer's Work...
Buffy Season 1, Episode 1


One year after the events of the first .org Buffy Mafia(Link to that game) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132890-BuffyVerse-Mafia-Apocalypse-Now-In-play)

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Autolycus: And in honor of her valiant efforts a year ago, I am happy to present this doofy miniature umbrella to Buffy Summers!

Buffy: Thank you very much. This has been a trying year for me, and it really does mean a lot to see your appreciation.


Later that night. Buffy is on patrol, alone. She finds Autolycus, ripped in two, cleanly down the middle, with some internal organs, carefully removed

Buffy: Good lord! Who or what could do such a thing? And why? We haven't seen this level of destruction in almost a year. Well, I suppose it just couldn't last, living on a Hellmouth


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Autolycus was Jonathan Levinson!!!
Begin Day 1
Day ends in about 72 hours, at 3 pm EST on 12/4
Today it takes a majority to lynch, hereafter a plurality.


Living (25/25)
Alsark
Arjos
atheotes
atpg
Bsmith
Captain Blackadder
Csargo
Daveshack
edse
El Barto
Erebus
Ironside
Ishmael
Jarema
johnhughthom
Kagemusha
Kennigit
landlubber
Lewwyn
Montmorency
Riedquat
ScottishRanger
Seon
The Last Days
Thefluffyone

[autolycus]

Questions and answers:
What is the status of no-lynch votes: No-lynch votes count as abstains
What is the status of PMs, QTs, etc: All legit, but keep me in the loop.
First-day lynch requirements: A majority of all players must vote to lynch the person. Otherwise, no lynch.
Quoting PMs: Go ahead, but remember they can be faked. Speaking of which:
For fabricating false Role PMs, if your role is the same color as your town in your PM, you're innocent. If it's black, you're neutral. If it's a different color, you're scum. Green is Los Angeles, Blue is Sunnydale (I may have reversed that accidentally in a few peoples' PMs) Also, all innocents and possibly some neutrals have some form of Resolve all threats to the Innocents as a goal.
Finally, genders of pronouns mean nothing.
Game-end clarification: Neutrals count against scum victory unless/until all Innocents are dead.

Buffy Season 1 Episode 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139248-Buffy-Mafia-2-A-Slayer-s-Work-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053402478&viewfull=1#post2053402478)

Angel Season 1 Episode 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139248-Buffy-Mafia-2-A-Slayer-s-Work-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053402776&viewfull=1#post2053402776)

Angel Season 1 Episode 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139248-Buffy-Mafia-2-A-Slayer-s-Work-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053404144&viewfull=1#post2053404144)

Buffy Season 1 Episode 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139248-Buffy-Mafia-2-A-Slayer-s-Work-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053405189&viewfull=1#post2053405189)

Buffy Season 1 Episode 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139248-Buffy-Mafia-2-A-Slayer-s-Work-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053405847&viewfull=1#post2053405847)

Angel Season 1 Episode 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?139248-Buffy-Mafia-2-A-Slayer-s-Work-Game-Thread-In-Play&p=2053406127#post2053406127)

[BSmith]

I guess someone has to be first.

Obligatory round one random vote: Living

[Alsark]

I guess someone has to be first.

Obligatory round one random vote: Living

Good game. The GM is dead.

Also, BSmith claims mafia for wanting to lynch all living players!

Oh, and to everybody in the round, my AIM is Alsark. Feel free to shoot me a message!

:Edit: Request for Autolycus: can you put the ratio of dead/living players in parenthesis after living and underline living (I assume Bsmith's vote was a joke but maybe he thinks there is a player named Living?). So like:


Living (25/25)
Alsark
Arjos
atheotes
atpg
Bsmith
Captain Blackadder
Csargo
Daveshack
edse
El Barto
Erebus
Ironside
Ishmael
Jarema
johnhughthom
Kagemusha
Kennigit
landlubber
Lewwyn
Montmorency
Riedquat
ScottishRanger
Seon
The Last Days
Thefluffyone

Dead (0/25)

[BSmith]

Yeah, it appears that I am indeed and idiot. For some reason I thought Living was a player and not a heading…

unvote, vote: Lewwyn

[edse]

Yeah, it appears that I am indeed and idiot. For some reason I thought Living was a player and not a heading…

I did the same mistake.

vote:Kennigit

[Jarema]

vote: El Barto
And there is a surprise...
not random vote!
(just semi-random)

[Ishmael]

When in doubt, random.org:

vote: scottishranger

[Alsark]

vote: El Barto
And there is a surprise...
not random vote!
(just semi-random)

What do you mean?

[Seon]

Vote: TLD

Start talking.

[scottishranger]

Ah cant wait to get this game started. I dont like random votes so I will wait a bit longer.

[Montmorency]

What is the no-lynch/abstain policy?

[DaveShack]

Also, policy on PM, QT, etc?

[autolycus]

No-lynch counts as abstain, PMs, QTs, etc. are legit, just keep me in the loop :)

[Montmorency]

Vote: Abstain

[Csargo]

Ah cant wait to get this game started. I dont like random votes so I will wait a bit longer.

This is not not a random vote. Vote: scottishranger

[johnhughthom]

Vote: atheotes

Been too long.

[Jarema]

What do you mean?
Just that it is not random vote (like, with use of random.org), but at the same time there is no reason behind it. I've chosen first name besides ATPG that I remember well

[Arjos]

Vote: thefluffyone93

Ahhhh, good day :D

[atheotes]

OMGUS! Vote: Johnhughthom

Hi John ~:wave:

p.s. I am likely to be away till Monday.

[Kennigit]

That's some mighty fine prejudice against the L-named BSmith.

let's go vote: Daveshack

[DaveShack]

Vote: edse because I like triangles.

[BSmith]

That's some mighty fine prejudice against the L-named BSmith.

The RNG works in mysterious ways. :bow:

[edse]

Vote: edse because I like triangles.Ain't it comfortable?

I will probably be away between 2nd and 6th.

[landlubber]

Vote:Alsark.
Random, yo.

[thefluffyone93]

Vote: thefluffyone93

Ahhhh, good day :D

OMGUS VOTE OF JUSTICE: Arjos

[Alsark]

Alright, we need to get some activity going up in here!

I don't know any of you, so if you could, either send me a message on AIM (my AIM is Alsark) or Windows Live Messenger (Alsark(at)Lycos.com) or post your AIM/MSN names here. If the thread goes this thread on a permanent basis I'll get a wee bit bored :/.

Also, I don't really see any point in totally random votes, so I won't be partaking in that affair.

[Montmorency]

If you guys really wanted to make it random, you'd vote the next person on the list. That way, everyone would get a vote and the lynch would be picked from the pool of all players.

:snobby:

[Ishmael]

Stop being so logical Montmorency - this way lets the scum stay much safer. Uh, I mean....

EDIT: Autolycus, when you say it needs a majority to lynch are you including non-voters and abstains? For that matter, what happens if no majority is achieved?

[Lewwyn]

If you guys really wanted to make it random, you'd vote the next person on the list. That way, everyone would get a vote and the lynch would be picked from the pool of all players.

:snobby:

Or we could just vote for you. Vote: Montmorency

[Montmorency]

Note to self, maybe: check this post when both games have ended.

You know what you mean.

:eyebrows:

[Alsark]

Note to self, maybe: check this post when both games have ended.

You know what you mean.

:eyebrows:

I have no idea what that meant but it sounds fishy on all sorts of levels :/.

Or maybe the eyebrow thing is just creepin' me out.

[Montmorency]

It's a Visor-and-Lewwyn thing. Just in case. :wink:

Metagaming sure does feel good. :/

[Riedquat]

Vote: landlubber

[Ironside]

Vote: Abstain.

[Erebus]

Vote: ATPG or he'll win.

unvote; vote:Abstain

I'm not petty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Arjos

I have this thing where I want to be first alphabetically.

[Kagemusha]

Vote: Abstain.

[autolycus]

Buffy Season 1 Episode 1 Continued
(I realized that this morning should have actually been Angel Season 1 Episode 0)

A large mob, with Willow at its head, comes to Buffy's door


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Willow: Buffy, the Hellmouth is spiralling out of control. You can't stop this alone. ... You haven't already stopped it, have you?

Buffy: No, Willow, I haven't. I think this was just the first casualty in what may be a long and gruelling conflict.



No lynch

Vote Count
scottishranger:-2 csargo, Ishmael
thefluffyone:1- Arjos
johnhughthom: 1-atheotes
Arjos:2 -atpg, Thefluffyone
Lewwyn:1 -BSmith
Daveshack:1 - Kennigit
El Barto: -1 Jarema
edse:1- daveshack
Kennigit:1- edse
atheotes:1- johnhughthom
landlubber:1 Riedquat
TheLast Days:1 Seon
abstain: -3 Erebus, Ironside, Kagemusha
Not voting: 8 Alsark, Captain Blackadder, El Barto, landlubber, Lewwyn, Montmorency, scottishranger, Thefluffyone


Begin Angel Episode (Night) 1
Please send all orders to me.
Night ends at 10 pm on 12/5/2011 EST, in 25.5 hours
Sorry if I missed anyone's abstentions.

[Captain Blackadder]

Sorry everyone was on a holiday so I have missed day one won't happen again. Unless I am more scatterbrained then usual :)

[Kennigit]

the edse-daveshack-kennigit triangle is missing a leg in the tally (I don't see my vote for daveshack listed)

[thefluffyone93]

My vote didn't count?

[autolycus]

Just missed both of your votes :). Since it was first day and no-one had anywhere near thirteen votes, I didn't double check my count.

[autolycus]

Night has been over for 90 minutes, I"m sending out results now. Write-up should be in place soon.

[autolycus]

Angel Season 1 Episode 1 Big Trouble in Little Italy

Angel is holding court in what was once the Wolfram and Hart Building.
Demons and humans come to him with their grievances, and he dispenses justice as he sees it.

Angel: No, you can't burninate the countryside Trogdor.

Trogdor: But it is necessary. It is a crucial part of my people's religion and lifecycle. Without the burnination, we will soon die out.

Angel: Oh, alright, as long as you don't burninate the villagers.


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Gunn: Are you nuts, dude? I've listened to this stuff long enough. I've tried to ignore it, but you really have gone mad with power! I'm out of here!


Cue Angel Theme Music

Another part of town. The Last Days stalks the streets, looking for dinner. A large figure steps out of the shadows before him and knocks him to the ground with a single powerful blow.

TLD: Who, who are you? Why did I come out here in the first place, again? I knew I should have stayed out east, where things were simple. No slayers, no vampires with a soul, no nothing!

Large figure: I do not know why you came, little vampire, but you shall not leave here. Perhaps I will discover the answer later.

And the large figure drives a stake into the heart of TLD. Blackout

Another street in L.A. Angel walks the streets alone, trying to figure out his cell phone.

Angel: Gunn, Gunn? Come on, pick up Gunn! I know I've been a bit pompous lately, but I promise I'll return to being the friendly barrel of laughs you know and love. Darn it, I don't even know if this thing is on!

The slums of L.A. Jarema wandes aimlessly, kicking a can.

Jarema: Come on out you demons, vamps, I'm looking for a fight! What are you all, cowards?

A figure in a coat turns the corner.

Coated figure: If it's demons you want, then it is demons you shall have, my boy!

Jarema: Hah, I've been slaying demons since before I could walk!

Coated figure: Not like this one you haven't.

Suddenly, Jarema is knocked flying. He lands hard on a pile of rubbish as a demon appears. It raises a scythe and brings it down into his neck. He dies slowly, gurgling in his own blood.

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The Coated Figure turns and walks away, shaking her head sadly, dismissing the demon with a wave of his hand.


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TLD was Mr. Trick!

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Jarema was Connor


Begin Buffy Episode 2
The Day will end in approximately 57.5 hours, on 12/8/2011 at approximately 10 AM EST
Day Orders to Me




Living
Alsark
Arjos
atheotes
atpg
Bsmith
Captain Blackadder
Csargo
Daveshack
edse
El Barto
Erebus
Ironside
Ishmael
johnhughthom
Kagemusha
Kennigit
landlubber
Lewwyn
Montmorency
Riedquat
ScottishRanger
Seon
Thefluffyone


Dead
The Last Days- Killed night 1 Mr. Trick
Jarema- Killed Night 1 Connor

[Ishmael]

Any Buffy fans able to fill us in? From what I've gleaned from the Buffy wiki, Mr. Trick (TLD) was a vampire and Connor (Jarema) was some random half-demon half-vampire , but still good. Or something.

[Montmorency]

I once saw an episode of this show. Someone broke into a home. Also, it may have been an alternate universe. Or someone's imagination. A mother.

What the hell is going on?

[Jarema]

So cruel... Why, why??
Farewell...

[Erebus]

Mr. Trick is a vampire from Sunnydale that worked for Mayor Wilkins when he was corrupting Faith. Expect him to be in a Group with Kakistos and/or Mayor Wilkins, with the possibility of converting Faith.

Connor is a central character of the middle Angel episodes. He was the impossible son of Angel and Darla (when she was resurrected by Wolf Ram and Hart as a human). Connor was later kidnapped by Angel's human nemesis and taken to some hell dimension where he was raised to hate Angel. No specific theories on other plot points that might be related to him at this time.

[Erebus]

For the record, in an odd paradoxical twist. The demon (Vocah) that killed Connor is the same demon that helped Wolf Ram and Hart resurrect Darla (Connor's mother) before being killed by Angel.

This might lead to a human Darla that could join either side. (Vampires or Angel).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sometimes the you get the metagaming bear, and sometimes the metagaming bear gets you.

I would love to say hello to the person or persons who visited me last night, you deserve to know who I am.

[Montmorency]

Someone scan him, he's up to something!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someone scan him, he's up to something!

Oh, a scan would be the trifecta. Someone roleblock me as well and we'll have done it all by N2.


Autolycus, I told you this would happen. I said it and I said that's why I didn't want to play.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someday I'll be a paranoid gun owner or a bomb role and then I'm going to really, really enjoy myself.

[Montmorency]

The problem with all your complaints is, the way you pound them into us just smacks of WIFOM. A very clever, pre-game sort usually. Just in case you get a Mafia role. I'm sure of this, and I do own that it is brilliant. But it also means that you will never be able to just go incognito. You are held accountable by the Mafia-playing population to a greater degree than most Senators are, by the American people. You can't change this, so better to make use of it, turn it to your advantage in this way.

Or something like that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Montmorency

For trying to kill me with demonic powers, then trying to kill me with flattery.

[Montmorency]

So you are the Sith Lord we've been looking for? :stare:

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you are the Sith Lord we've been looking for? :stare:

It says so on my name tag.

[Montmorency]

How'd we miss that?

Vote: Pizza :knight:

[Askthepizzaguy]

How'd we miss that?

Staring at things you shouldn't be, would be the most likely explanation. My eyes and my name tag are up here.

[Kagemusha]

Who roleblocked me last night?Please throw me a pm.You dirty you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, reveal to Kagemusha so when I convert him into a vampire demon thing, I will know all your secrets too. :evil:

Or wait, I can't do that. :cry: Pity.

[Montmorency]

I take it that roles are common as dirt here? Or are the evils just particularly brazen tonight?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I take it that roles are common as dirt here?

Yes, the game host hinted that the setup would be heavy with specialist roles. Being vanilla would be less common here than most games. If you are, chances are you're someone's recruitment fodder.

[Csargo]

Vote:ATPG on principle

[Erebus]

Vote: Montemorency

The ATPG BW is tooooo easy.

[Lewwyn]

Vote: ATPG for being a whiner.

[Ishmael]

Vote: Montemorency

The ATPG BW is tooooo easy.

vote: Erebus

So is that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

Embracing sweet, sweet death.

[Montmorency]

Unvote;

We don't need to do this, guys. We still have a lot of time to think things over.

[Csargo]

unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

Embracing sweet, sweet death.

He wants to die, hurry let him live!

Unvote: ATPG, Vote: Lewwyn

Your guilt is showing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We still have a lot of time to think things over.

Thinking is for scumbags. Townies random lynch and never look back.

I happily volunteer to be the first bad lynch.

[Lewwyn]

He wants to die, hurry let him live!

Unvote: ATPG, Vote: Lewwyn

Your guilt is showing.

You know that voting for yourself is SUPER Scummy right? If your a villager you do not want to lose the game for your town. So either Pizza is Scum trying to preempt a lynch or just a terrible villager. I'm betting on scum. He immediately voted for himself once only 3 people had voted for him? Its so early in the day! The BWs always switch up. He's just trying to gain the sympathy crying vote here. Your going to be easily led down this path thinking he's innocent. Good God. You're obviously a terrible villager.

[Ishmael]

FoS: Lewwyn. You sound overly keen to leap on a suspect to my mind, especially seeing as it's a fairly innocuous 'tell' that people do relatively frequently. It's only a FoS and not a vote as I'm assuming you don't have that much mafia experience here, considering your post count (correct me if I'm wrong), and aren't used to the style of play.

EDIT: Reading through my post, I realise it could come off as somewhat condescending. I assure you it wasn't intended that way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know that voting for yourself is SUPER Scummy right? If your a villager you do not want to lose the game for your town. So either Pizza is Scum trying to preempt a lynch or just a terrible villager. I'm betting on scum. He immediately voted for himself once only 3 people had voted for him? Its so early in the day! The BWs always switch up. He's just trying to gain the sympathy crying vote here. Your going to be easily led down this path thinking he's innocent. Good God. You're obviously a terrible villager.

I refer you to Pirate Ship Mafia. It explains exactly why I want to die right now.

[Montmorency]

Remember what Lewwyn acted like under TLD's scrutiny in The Island?

FOS

[Ishmael]

Was this after I was lynched? If so I probably didn't pay much attention to it. But either way, it's not really pertinent to the matter at hand, as he's accusing ATPG, not being accused himself.

[Csargo]

You know that voting for yourself is SUPER Scummy right? If your a villager you do not want to lose the game for your town. So either Pizza is Scum trying to preempt a lynch or just a terrible villager. I'm betting on scum. He immediately voted for himself once only 3 people had voted for him? Its so early in the day! The BWs always switch up. He's just trying to gain the sympathy crying vote here. Your going to be easily led down this path thinking he's innocent. Good God. You're obviously a terrible villager.

ATPG does it all the time from what I remember, so it's not really that scummy. I always play mafia games to lose, I dislike winning. I'm probably the worst villager you've ever played with.


I refer you to Pirate Ship Mafia. It explains exactly why I want to die right now.

I need the cliffnotes version.

[Erebus]

I've played a bit with Lewwyn over at realmsbeyond net. Seems typical Lewwyn to me.

[Montmorency]

Was this after I was lynched? If so I probably didn't pay much attention to it. But either way, it's not really pertinent to the matter at hand, as he's accusing ATPG, not being accused himself.

He is being accused: voted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG does it all the time from what I remember, so it's not really that scummy. I always play mafia games to lose, I dislike winning. I'm probably the worst villager you've ever played with.

Mmm.... refreshing.


I need the cliffnotes version.

People are revealing to me and I'm corruptible, therefore a threat to the town, kill me before I become a larger threat to the town against my will, even though that will make me lose this game because I have a survivalist win condition, and it sucks because I'm not at all vanilla and I could be rather useful STOP REVEALING STUFF TO ME IN PRIVATE!!!!!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

:wall: AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

[Montmorency]

I have a good reason. I'm a better villager than Cahoma. Who has no reason for anything he does. He doesn't even care who anyone votes for as long as its not him. I'm better.


Terrified is a stupid description because I'm never terrified. I'm just angry at stupidity.



I don't flinch.


It seems my normal style of play is far more suspicious on this forum than in games I play elsewhere.

I haven't played a game with him as town, but all those posts were from a game with him as scum. :shrug:


People are revealing to me and I'm corruptible

Wild wild west, doing my best... :smoking:

[Csargo]

I feel bad for you, so I'll let you live.

[Kagemusha]

Thinking is for scumbags. Townies random lynch and never look back.

I happily volunteer to be the first bad lynch.

As you wish. Vote: Atpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

As you wish. Vote: Atpg

Oh, the same funny tingling sensation all over me... Kagemusha you sexy beast-man. My guess is you think doing a repeat will fall under the category if "they won't expect me to do it again" but not with me it doesn't.

Kage, you really gotta stop doing this to me when you're scum because it sticks out like a sore thumb.

unvote, vote: Kagemusha, your opportunism just reeks of filthy scummery. But you're still the Vision in my Animus.

[Kagemusha]

Oh, the same funny tingling sensation all over me... Kagemusha you sexy beast-man. My guess is you think doing a repeat will fall under the category if "they won't expect me to do it again" but not with me it doesn't.

Kage, you really gotta stop doing this to me when you're scum because it sticks out like a sore thumb.

unvote, vote: Kagemusha, your opportunism just reeks of filthy scummery. But you're still the Vision in my Animus.

Do you want to die or not? Stop scrambling.I was roleblocked last night and someone knows that.I am innocent.Why are you trying to defend yourself while claiming to want to die? Such wifom deserves you to be lynched.So my vote is on you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do you want to die or not? Stop scrambling.I was roleblocked last night and someone knows that.I am innocent.Why are you trying to defend yourself while claiming to want to die? Such wifom deserves you to be lynched.So my vote is on you.

In other words, yes, you are very much a scumbag, but the truth shall set you free, right? The truth is you were roleblocked and you just can't stand to have that happen again because you're not the killer, you're the scanner or the recruiter. Yes, reveal to me, my roleblocker friend... I won't bite. Just don't block me again and all will be well....

In responding to my pressure, the first place you'd go to defend yourself is the facts; I happen to believe you were roleblocked. I believe you think someone can step forward and vouch for you that they blocked you. And I believe you think that will convince people you're not scum.

Well, you're fishing for the blocker and voting for an obvious neutral, who is the wagon for today, to look townie. As such, you have revealed your true motivations. You're a scumbag. Killing is beside the point. You're still scum.

I don't believe you're townie, and I don't believe the roleblocker revealing to you is very wise at all.

In a word, die die die.

Okay that's three words but it bears repeating.

[Kagemusha]

In other words, yes, you are very much a scumbag, but the truth shall set you free, right? The truth is you were roleblocked and you just can't stand to have that happen again because you're not the killer, you're the scanner or the recruiter. Yes, reveal to me, my roleblocker friend... I won't bite. Just don't block me again and all will be well....

In responding to my pressure, the first place you'd go to defend yourself is the facts; I happen to believe you were roleblocked. I believe you think someone can step forward and vouch for you that they blocked you. And I believe you think that will convince people you're not scum.

Well, you're fishing for the blocker and voting for an obvious neutral, who is the wagon for today, to look townie. As such, you have revealed your true motivations. You're a scumbag. Killing is beside the point. You're still scum.

I don't believe you're townie, and I don't believe the roleblocker revealing to you is very wise at all.

In a word, die die die.

Okay that's three words but it bears repeating.

Blah,blah and blah. hypothetical accusations based on nothing.Similar to your pleas for death.Hollow words my friend. If you would really want to die.You would just accept that faith and wel..die. Your instant attack towards me at first opportunity just shows that it was never your intention to die at first place, but just to use wifom in order to get rid of the bandwagon forming against you.
It is you who need to die,die and to be more specific: Die.:bow:

[Montmorency]

Pizza, you have to stop doing this.

[Arjos]

Kage was roleblocked? Well that's a no brainer:

Vote: Kagemusha

[Askthepizzaguy]

Blah,blah and blah. hypothetical accusations based on nothing.

Not nothing, a deceptively small amount of very very telling data.

You just can't stand the fact that those tiny tells keep bringing you down, and I'm the one that keeps seeing them.

First, you diminish what I've said, as briefly as you can, then change the subject:


Similar to your pleas for death.

Your defense is to try to control the discussion by making this about me again. Because I'm just such a tempting topic of discussion and I'm acting strange and I did something that doesn't seem very townie and I'm claiming to be neutral and so forth, obviously people want to talk about me because I look bad, and Kagemusha looks less bad.

What you're doing is one of the most classic scumtells of them all, which is try to make your opponent look bad, and do your best to look less bad than them. Talk less, say things succinctly, focus on them and their weirdness, and by all means take advantage of an open easy target.

You've fallen for the same classic Askthepizzaguy trap, and I'm afraid you're squirming again. I only respond by gripping tighter, Kagemusha.


Hollow words my firiend. If you would really want to die.You would just accept that faith and wel..die.

Yes, this is the advice a townie would give me here. You're not interested in using whatever powers I might have against the mafia, or gaining what information I possess. You have one goal today which is to cause someone's death, and man, wouldn't it be great if it were Askthepizzaguy? He's always been a pain in your neck whenever you're guilty.


Your instant attack towards me at first opportunity just shows that it was never your intention to die at first place, but just to use wifom in order to get rid of the bandwagon forming against you.

Dear Askthepizzaguy

I'm voting for you because you want to live, even if you're being coy about it.

Sincerely, the Mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, you have to stop doing this.

I don't have to stop, you have to stop me!

[Montmorency]

Yes, my lord.

Vote: Kagemusha

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kagemusha, why does a townie reveal that they've been roleblocked, and that they want the roleblocker to contact them?

Why does a townie want to vote for someone who is asking to die?

Why does a townie want to convince others to just roll over and get lynched?

What role does this particular townie have that just got roleblocked?

Well, I can answer you this much: You're not the vigilante, you're not the protector role, and you're not the roleblocker.

Given that I'm one of the investigators, what does that make you?

My guess is cult recruiter or scanner. Even better than taking out a murdering demon is taking down the head whatever you are. Convince us you're not him.

[Lewwyn]

Well, I can answer you this much: You're not the vigilante, you're not the protector role, and you're not the roleblocker.

Given that I'm one of the investigators, what does that make you?


You realize there can be more than one vig, protector or role blocker? I'm betting that most of these roles have been repeated on both sides. Really interesting that last night 2 people died and one of them seems to have been a vampire which I'm guessing is scum. You even say yourself, "I'm one of the investigators" So you know there's multiple roles and yet you specifically say the vig, the protector, the roleblocker. In essence you are trying to build a case against Kagemusha who is obviously a villager making a mistake. Honestly in these games we lynch people who make mistakes and more often then not the villagers are the ones who make the mistakes because they aren't trying to be as careful.

Also, ATPG are you you suggesting that A) you're corruptible so we should lynch you, or B) we should keep you alive because you are an investigator?

If you are corruptible isn't telling everyone in thread a great way to let scum know that they can corrupt you? In essence you want to be corrupted? If not you probably shouldn't have said that in thread. Now we HAVE to kill you because you've let the scum know that you are corruptible.

[Captain Blackadder]

Kage what's your childhood trauma? Why so defensive. You seem really defensive from what was not a lot of pressure and it is only day two

Vote: Kage

[Kagemusha]

Not nothing, a deceptively small amount of very very telling data.

You just can't stand the fact that those tiny tells keep bringing you down, and I'm the one that keeps seeing them.

First, you diminish what I've said, as briefly as you can, then change the subject:



Your defense is to try to control the discussion by making this about me again. Because I'm just such a tempting topic of discussion and I'm acting strange and I did something that doesn't seem very townie and I'm claiming to be neutral and so forth, obviously people want to talk about me because I look bad, and Kagemusha looks less bad.

What you're doing is one of the most classic scumtells of them all, which is try to make your opponent look bad, and do your best to look less bad than them. Talk less, say things succinctly, focus on them and their weirdness, and by all means take advantage of an open easy target.

You've fallen for the same classic Askthepizzaguy trap, and I'm afraid you're squirming again. I only respond by gripping tighter, Kagemusha.



Yes, this is the advice a townie would give me here. You're not interested in using whatever powers I might have against the mafia, or gaining what information I possess. You have one goal today which is to cause someone's death, and man, wouldn't it be great if it were Askthepizzaguy? He's always been a pain in your neck whenever you're guilty.



Dear Askthepizzaguy

I'm voting for you because you want to live, even if you're being coy about it.

Sincerely, the Mafia.

You are completely and utterly wrong here. Do not turn this into my defence.This is about your behaviour. I have played with you long enough.That i have understood that you are starting to gain a hybris in these games. No matter what you do.You twist and turn enough so it becomes logical to yourself and then you sell it to others, who are willing to let you think on their behalf.

I had little illusions if voting you would result into you picking it up for your own defense.Which tells me only about the fact that your whole talk about wanting to be lynched was just big pile of nonsense. If you think lying about what you actually want to be done is not scummy behaviour.I do not know what is. I hope atleast the town will lynch you when you are shown to be completely wrong about me.

To be put it short:

A) You were lying to the town that you wanted to be lynched.
b) You crasped the first opportunity to turn the tide against someone else.
C) Now you think i should start making a case to defend myself against your nonsense, so the focus would turn into me, not you.

Conclusion you are scum and busted.If it gets me lynched to prove that.That is not any kind of problem to me.

[Lewwyn]

This is about your behaviour. I have played with you long enough.That i have understood that you are starting to gain a hybris in these games. No matter what you do.You twist and turn enough so it becomes logical to yourself and then you sell it to others, who are willing to let you think on their behalf.

Quoted for truth, Although its spelled 'hubris'. Which is doubly true.

Seriously folks, I know it early, but Pizza has already been busted. This is not about Capo. This is not "woe is me". This is ATPG voting for himself, telling everyone to vote for him, then telling everyone not to vote for him, telling everyone he's corruptible, then telling everyone he's an investigator and they should lynch who he says to lynch.

[edse]

Vote:Lewwyn From what I have read so far.

[Riedquat]

Where can I get the resumed version of all this blah blah thing between Atpg and Kage? :stare:

Montmorency, Lewwyn responses don't seems so off to me, except this very last post^^ :inquisitive:

[Montmorency]

Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

[Kagemusha]

Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

Sounds like a plan.While i would prefer if we would lynch Pizza and next you, but i really dont mind your plan either. Just remember to stick with it.You have flip flopped quite enough this round already to raise eyebrows.

[Montmorency]

Sorry friend, but there's no going against Pizza. No hard feelings over my weakness, k?

[Kagemusha]

Sorry friend, but there's no going against Pizza. No hard feelings over my weakness, k?

So are you going to stick with your plan or not? Once im proven not scum.Will you embark on mission to hunt him down and lynch him, like the scum he is?

[Montmorency]

With the board as my witness.

[Kagemusha]

With the board as my witness.

Allright.I will remember that.:yes:

[Riedquat]

Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

Thanks!

After a second read, I need to FoS Lewwyn too... if Kage results to be scum we know who follows in the line

[Lewwyn]

I honestly think this is a mistake. Kage is reading all villager all day here. As an active villager he's a great lynch target for scum.

First take into account his larger above post and then these two following posts:


Sounds like a plan.While i would prefer if we would lynch Pizza and next you, but i really dont mind your plan either. Just remember to stick with it.You have flip flopped quite enough this round already to raise eyebrows.

So are you going to stick with your plan or not? Once im proven not scum.Will you embark on mission to hunt him down and lynch him, like the scum he is?

Scum would simply not react this way, IMO

And Montemorency:


Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

Incredibly weak. You're juts going to let Pizza push us down the river? You're plan is to chain lynch based on what someone who obviously doesn't care about the village says? Oh that's right:


Sorry friend, but there's no going against Pizza. No hard feelings over my weakness, k?

You're just a fanboi. :wall:

[Montmorency]

No, if Pizza is discredited, then he goes down the river. Unless he already controls the lynch by tomorrow. :uhoh:

As for Kagemusha: could be foolish town, could be scum. I'm not willing to give the champion of Mafia X and Daggers in the Night too much benefit of the doubt, though. Or he could be just town, and Pizza may have blown a joke post out of proportion because Pizza is as Pizza does.


You're just a fanboi.

Jawohl mein herr, ich bin Pizzen roboter.

:shrug:

[BSmith]

Given that I'm one of the investigators...

So tell us - who did you investigate last night and what was the result?

[Riedquat]

What I feel odd is, well... if Kage is actually scum he knows better than asking is thread about his blocker...


So tell us - who did you investigate last night and what was the result?

:stare: Sorry... What? The only way I want to know who he scanned is if he got a vampire/demon/thing ...

UnFoS: Lewwyn, FoS: BSmith

[thefluffyone93]

Yeah ok.....so....
If I die, I want a Skyrim reference in my death!

Also....

Vote: Daveshack

Your shack violates the law.
Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence.

Scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly think this is a mistake. Kage is reading all villager all day here. As an active villager he's a great lynch target for scum.


Okay, I was all set to say Lewwyn was a townie, and that he's just trying to stop the fanbois from letting me control the game. You read townie up to now.

This line, including the word "honestly" and "reading villager" just throws me. Maybe you have a different phraseology than I'm used to but I note that scums tend to use the word honestly, because subconsciously, they're thinking "everything else I say is a lie or omission, but listen to me now! I'm totally cereal!".

Secondly, Kagemusha isn't reading townie here. He's not reading anything much of anything yet, but since he's on the chopping block and has already admitted he's a power role, why has he abstained from saying which one?

Your defense of him is a bit desperate, which makes me believe one of two things: you're scum together, or you're masons together. You have a special interest in Kagemusha.

You want to stop this assault on Kagemusha you'd better spill it, and also back off of me because I already roleclaimed. There's nothing further to be gained from pressuring me. I also openly declared neutral and told people to stop revealing to me because of the inherent risks.

If you really think I'm scum here, you gotta get your 'dar cleaned.

[Askthepizzaguy]

but i really dont mind your plan either.

You have an unfortunate habit of saying the exact opposite thing that you really mean whenever you're scum.

I think it could be the language barrier, I'm not sure; I don't think it's solely that. I just think that sometimes your bluffs are not as subtle as they could be. I remember my assault on you in Animus where you simply said that you don't mind the attention I was giving you and you wondered why I was so focused on just you. If I invert whatever you say, when you're a scumbag, it's more revealing than if I were to do the same tactic on, say, Andres. I note that other mafia players will reveal less information than you do if you try to deconstruct what they're saying. They end up misdirecting and leaving less of a paper trail.

You do mind this plan, you mind it very much. You're a claimed power role. Your death here ticks you off quite frankly, and you're trying to avoid it by proposing alternatives and acting as cool as possible. But acting cool is not your strong suit. If I know you Kagemusha, this is Kagemusha in 4-alarm panic mode.


What. Role. Are. You.

[BSmith]

:stare: Sorry... What? The only way I want to know who he scanned is if he got a vampire/demon/thing ...

UnFoS: Lewwyn, FoS: BSmith

I’m just trying to triangulate some of ATPG’s claims. How do we know if he really is an investigator? Just take is word for it?

He doesn’t have to make it public, but I’d like for us to start testing some of the claims in thread instead of just blindly following.

[thefluffyone93]

What. Role. Are. You.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[Askthepizzaguy]

He doesn’t have to make it public, but I’d like for us to start testing some of the claims in thread instead of just blindly following.

How else do you propose to test it?

Fine, I'll tell you what. I'll inform the person I just scanned last night what I learned about them. And they can step forward and say if it is true or not.

Then, if I'm mafia, you've just got my partner revealed.

Obytheway, if I'm mafia, I should have been scanned already as such. You know, with the metagamers and all that. :wink:

Scan me tonight. I don't mind, I should be dead already but someone or someones was or were nice enough to protect me figuring someone else would be silly enough to attack me N1. Bravo to that guy/those guys.

[BSmith]

Fine, I'll tell you what. I'll inform the person I just scanned last night what I learned about them. And they can step forward and say if it is true or not.

Then, if I'm mafia, you've just got my partner revealed.


Having your target verify your claim would be better than nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As you might be able to tell, I'm not a simple guilt-innocence scanner.

There's going to be more to the game than that, and I learn different kinds of info.

[Erebus]

For the record, I doubt there is any direct connection between Lewwyn and Kagemusha. Lewwyn should know better now then so publically latch onto a mason or scum buddy.

He's the guy that says "ATPG is scum, therefore Kagemusha isn't and anyone who doesn't think my way is stupid." Probably no active connection.

As for my input, all I can say is that ATPG is the easy lynch. People are still bitter or enthralled by his recent performance, and really need to get over him.

Chances are that someone scanned him and we know it wasn't Kagemusha.

The one problem I have is the claim that ATPG was roleblocked when obviously we now know he wasn't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For the record, I doubt there is any direct connection between Lewwyn and Kagemusha. Lewwyn should know better now then so publically latch onto a mason or scum buddy.

He's the guy that says "ATPG is scum, therefore Kagemusha isn't and anyone who doesn't think my way is stupid." Probably no active connection.

As for my input, all I can say is that ATPG is the easy lynch. People are still bitter or enthralled by his recent performance, and really need to get over him.

Chances are that someone scanned him and we know it wasn't Kagemusha.

The one problem I have is the claim that ATPG was roleblocked when obviously we now know he wasn't.


Who claimed that I was roleblocked?

Kagemusha claimed that he was roleblocked, not me.

Did someone claim to roleblock me?

That person is a liar, or.... there are three roleblockers and a rather absurd set of circumstances happened last night. Let's play the odds and say they're a liar.

More likely you're just misremembering who claimed to be blocked.

[Erebus]

Oh, a scan would be the trifecta. Someone roleblock me as well and we'll have done it all by N2.


Autolycus, I told you this would happen. I said it and I said that's why I didn't want to play.

I misread this, sorry.

[Seon]

Vote: Kagemusha

[atheotes]

There were 2 kils - one by a demon and one by a Vigilante or slayer (stake).

@ ATPG - are you claiming that you were attacked last night and escaped because you were protected?

[thefluffyone93]

U GAIS.

ITSD OBVIBIOUS WHOS TEH MAFIA SKUMZORS IZ.

WE ALL KNOW ITS JOO, SEON.

[Kagemusha]

To be clear there was no language barrier.I am ok, with my lynch and only plea that you will listen to my advice once im gone and not a threat to anyone anymore. You are lynching an innocent,but hopefully the act will repay itself in near future.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There were 2 kils - one by a demon and one by a Vigilante or slayer (stake).

@ ATPG - are you claiming that you were attacked last night and escaped because you were protected?

Yes, it does not appear in the writeup but I have better.

There were not just two folks involved in the action, but three. And, it seems in this game when something like that happens to you, you are aware of the event and so are the others aware of others involved at the event.

It's like our night activities give us limited investigative feedback, even when folks aren't detectives. As for myself, I scanned someone uneventfully but on my way back, I was attacked by a "slim" figure and protected twice, by two different folks who don't know each other.

That's a whole lot of corroboration that can be accomplished. I can tell you that two folks can have an alibi for their whereabouts last night and they can even protect each other from dying. Not only that, I have reason to believe that my attacker was actually a slayer as well, due to the stake being used against me.

That would mean I can prove three people are innocent, AND I can scan.

As for myself, I can be protected and scanned. But once that's done, you can reallocate those resources to more directly town-related functions.

You have no threat from me and based on last night, I can be of more help than just revealing scans. I can also help connect the doctors to each other without revealing them to the mafia. And if I were converted later, their being able to protect each other means I still cannot do anything to hurt them.

Now, since I already know one of their identities, the risk is already taken. Your choice is to accept the gift of my help or be stubborn and kill me, in which case I do nothing further to help the town and I in fact do everything I can to harm it, because I lose when I die.

Just take my advice and stop revealing information to me, and my continued survival becomes not only less of a risk to the town, but a very large potential gain due to the investigative services I provide.

But know this townies, I've helped and been killed by you before. I'm just as likely to side with the scums if you do that rigid, ideological, stubborn thing where you only let other townies survive. That's why scumbags are awesome, they are looking for allies and are willing to look outside their own alignment for them.

Don't make the same mistakes. Use my knowledge, I beg you, and you can save yourselves from certain death.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, and two slayers means two vigilantes, and two vigilantes makes sense here because ahem, vampire cults.

The only way to defeat them is through vigilantism because the lynch is too slow and they're expanding.

As such, your slayer is going to want that doctor protection.

:bow: You're welcome.

[Kagemusha]

So basically Pizza is offering to take you all hostage and leave yourself at his mercy. More viable option would be just to lynch him.:bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

So basically Pizza is offering to take you all hostage and leave yourself at his mercy. More viable option would be just to lynch him.:bow:

I just want to live.

1) I don't want to know anything further than I already know. What I already know is the identity of myself, a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result. It's hardly game-ending stuff. But quit telling me stuff.
2) I don't want to control night actions. Do whatever you wish. Don't make me part of the network. LEAVE ME ALONE.
3) I don't want to control the lynch. I'll keep my investigations to myself, it's actually safer on those I scan if I don't reveal who they are, because being known as scanned is likely to get you killed.

You can either utilize me to your advantage, or toss me away like garbage. I think you'll do it anyway, but it has been done before where I've farmed out myself as a mercenary to the town and not been killed off, so I know it's possible that this can work. It's a nonzero chance of victory versus the zero chance of victory I'll have if I die.

[Seon]

U GAIS.

ITSD OBVIBIOUS WHOS TEH MAFIA SKUMZORS IZ.

WE ALL KNOW ITS JOO, SEON.

OMGUS!!!!!!!!
Unvote. vote: Fluffytheterrible

Nope.

[Kagemusha]

The one problematic with this, is that you already offered me the identity of the said doctor in private conversation, which i declined. Which by the way should speak a bit about my alignment. So basically you are selling yourself as not town aligned but willing to align with anyone as long as you survive.Thus you can only be neutral as you claim, or scum like i hunch.:bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The one problematic with this, is that you already offered me the identity of the said doctor in private conversation, which i declined. Which by the way should speak a bit about my alignment. So basically you are selling yourself as not town aligned but willing to align with anyone as long as you survive.Thus you can only be neutral as you claim, or scum like i hunch.:bow:

Foolish townie. This is why people want to be scum so bad. Working with townies is like pulling rotten teeth from a crying child.

Make yourself an enemy of the neutrals. There's lots of us. Find yourselves with no allies, and die like you deserve.

[Kagemusha]

Foolish townie. This is why people want to be scum so bad. Working with townies is like pulling rotten teeth from a crying child.

Make yourself an enemy of the neutrals. There's lots of us. Find yourselves with no allies, and die like you deserve.

So even you are ready to admit that im townie. Why are you trying to lynch a townie, oh scummy one?

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Abstain

Do as you will. But I can't make a town-neutral alliance work when all I ever get is this stubbornness.

And trust me, you'll regret not using every resource at your disposal in a cult game. How you deal with this is an indicator of how the other neutrals should play. Should they even attempt to assist the town, or like the dead canary in the coal mine that I'm about to be, will they high-tail it out of townie-ville and just assume they're going to either die and lose the game, or end up as a winning scumbag, dead or not?

You're making very bad choices here, Kagemusha. I can't save myself, but I also can't help protect you from the cults when I'm gone. And I'm telling you, other survivalists won't look on the town as a friend here, if you kill me. Once again, town can choose to try to live, or it can divide itself along partisan lines, and watch the neutrals flee out of basic survival instinct. Learn anything from Capo, it's that a town divided against itself cannot stand, and like it or not, neutrals count as townies as far as game balance is concerned. And your "full" townies weren't incorruptible either in the last game, so you're fooling yourself if you think that regular townies are any better than I am.

Think carefully, because I'd rather be useful help, than a Cassandra who told you so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So even you are ready to admit that im townie. Why are you trying to lynch a townie, oh scummy one?

If you were a mafioso, I think you'd have accepted my help. Only townies play in a way that harms themselves so.

[Kagemusha]

unvote, vote: Abstain

Do as you will. But I can't make a town-neutral alliance work when all I ever get is this stubbornness.

And trust me, you'll regret not using every resource at your disposal in a cult game. How you deal with this is an indicator of how the other neutrals should play. Should they even attempt to assist the town, or like the dead canary in the coal mine that I'm about to be, will they high-tail it out of townie-ville and just assume they're going to either die and lose the game, or end up as a winning scumbag, dead or not?

You're making very bad choices here, Kagemusha. I can't save myself, but I also can't help protect you from the cults when I'm gone. And I'm telling you, other survivalists won't look on the town as a friend here, if you kill me. Once again, town can choose to try to live, or it can divide itself along partisan lines, and watch the neutrals flee out of basic survival instinct. Learn anything from Capo, it's that a town divided against itself cannot stand, and like it or not, neutrals count as townies as far as game balance is concerned. And your "full" townies weren't incorruptible either in the last game, so you're fooling yourself if you think that regular townies are any better than I am.

Think carefully, because I'd rather be useful help, than a Cassandra who told you so.

No.I am not the one with bad choice.It is you my friend.Neutrals can and should help the town.You on the other hand were willing recruit for the bad guys, if not a bad guy outright.So it is your malign design that passes judgement on you.

[atheotes]

...

I would love to say hello to the person or persons who visited me last night, you deserve to know who I am.

You sound very unsure about what happened - Now you are saying 3 people visited you last night and can corroborate their innocence.

You have claimed that you are "one" of the investigators and to know the identity of a vigilante, protector, and the roleblocker. Now you say you know a "a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result." which is it?

Its strange that an attack would not show up in the write-up....:inquisitive:

[BSmith]

At this point I think I'll have to vote:ATPG. Between the two main candidates today he seems to be the best bet.

[atheotes]

Vote: Kagemusha

Why?

[Kagemusha]

Tally

Montmorency 1 (Erebus)
Atpg 3 (Lewwyn, Kagemusha, BSmith)
Erebus 1 (Ishmael)
Lewwyn 2 (Csargo,edse)
Kagemusha 3 (Arjos,Montmorency,Captain Blackadder)
Daveshack 1 (thefluffyone93)
thefluffyone93 1 (Seon)

[thefluffyone93]

Whysa everybody go for da easy vote that is Pizza?

Make no sense.
Go for the unknown factors, not the go to most likely evil scumtastic powerhouse that is pizza.

[thefluffyone93]

This will not stand!
TIE-BREAK.

Unvote; Vote:Lewwyn

YEAH!

Oh, wait.....

[Kagemusha]

This will not stand!
TIE-BREAK.

Unvote; Vote:Lewwyn

YEAH!

Oh, wait.....

Unfortunately Pizza has been acting scummy, selling information to anyone in order to get his hide saved, while Lewwyn has been speaking in defence of me.While i am town aligned. So im sorry to say but Pizza is the best call right now for lynch. If anyone wants to reveal themselves to me.I am all ears.

By the way what rules do we have concerning reveals?

[Riedquat]

umm... tempted to create a triple tie... :P


Vote: BSmith for now...

[Kagemusha]

umm... tempted to create a triple tie... :P


Vote: BSmith for now...

And your reasoning for such vote?

[Askthepizzaguy]

At this point I think I'll have to vote:ATPG. Between the two main candidates today he seems to be the best bet.

How boring!

unvote, vote: BSmith

If you're going to kill me, at least smack me around a bit first and get my blood pumping. I live for that :daisy:

[Riedquat]

Unfortunately Pizza has been acting scummy, selling information to anyone in order to get his hide saved, while Lewwyn has been speaking in defence of me.While i am town aligned. So im sorry to say but Pizza is the best call right now for lynch. If anyone wants to reveal themselves to me.I am all ears.

By the way what rules do we have concerning reveals?


You can forge all you want! :P

Please clarify to me why on earth you are cleared and people can reveal to you??

[Riedquat]

And your reasoning for such vote?

I FoSed him earlier.... for... something scummy he did :P

I'm more concerned why Pizza is voting him...

[Kagemusha]

You can forge all you want! :P

Please clarify to me why on earth you are cleared and people can reveal to you??

There is nothing to forge. Not even Atpg thinks anymore that im scum.He offered me the identity of town aligned doctor in private and i declined that offer. He has confirmed that himself. Just read the thread.

Maybe Pizza is bit desperate as he isnt exactly seen in glorious light right now. He is definetely the best vote right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I FoSed him earlier.... for... something scummy he did :P

I'm more concerned why Pizza is voting him...

Why, it's berry simple sir. I said I needed to live to win. He said I should die.

Therefore, I kill it with fire, while playing THIS SONG!!!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYaQgp8DFCk

[Askthepizzaguy]

He is definetely the best vote right now.

Why would I try to sell you information if I was scum? That's scummy, and I don't want to act scummy if I am a scumbag. I act like a townie when I'm a scumbag.

Me trying to sell you info is clearly indicative of a variable alignment role who can win with either side.

You, as a townie, want to lynch I dunno cult leaders. You kill the convertibles, they'll just convert someone else. And BTW I wasn't converted last night, scan me and you'll see.

You lynch someone besides me, you'll actually have a chance of hitting someone you want dead. And, I already backed off of you because you're acting like a townie. Now you've just gotta tighten up your game and lynch a scumbag, and you'll be acting like a winning townie.



:stare: THIS IS MY SERIOUS FACE. YOU NO LISTEN LAST TIME AND I WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT!!!

[Kagemusha]

And i will fight off the evil PizzaMan while playing this song:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTdhXxxWREo

[Riedquat]

Why, it's berry simple sir. I said I needed to live to win. He said I should die.

Therefore, I kill it with fire, while playing THIS SONG!!!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYaQgp8DFCk

Sorry Pizza I'm in the office can't hear any song...

Kage, again, Pizza made a case against you, then Pizza cleared you himself... that doesn't make you any innocent... you are something, but we don't know what...

[Kagemusha]

Why would I try to sell you information if I was scum? That's scummy, and I don't want to act scummy if I am a scumbag. I act like a townie when I'm a scumbag.

Me trying to sell you info is clearly indicative of a variable alignment role who can win with either side.

You, as a townie, want to lynch I dunno cult leaders. You kill the convertibles, they'll just convert someone else. And BTW I wasn't converted last night, scan me and you'll see.

You lynch someone besides me, you'll actually have a chance of hitting someone you want dead. And, I already backed off of you because you're acting like a townie. Now you've just gotta tighten up your game and lynch a scumbag, and you'll be acting like a winning townie.



:stare: THIS IS MY SERIOUS FACE. YOU NO LISTEN LAST TIME AND I WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT!!!

Well the problem lies there that before that part of discussion you were quite convinced that i might be on the TEAM EVIL. So your willigness to join the dark side combined with the information you already know makes you serious health hazard to the town. You have to admit that?

[Askthepizzaguy]

And i will fight off the evil PizzaMan while playing this song:

I might be evil but that doesn't mean we can't be friends.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLsyNBnE5M


You townies need to have a ruthless cold-hearted menace fighting for you. Seriously, wouldn't that increase your odds of success?

You think you can get the job done with caring and friendship and LOVE??? NO! Misery and suffering wins every time! You gotta kill the other poor bastard and make him die for HIS faction before he makes you die for yours.

You need me, you silly kind-hearted people. I can be that big brother who picks on you but still annihilates your bullies in a fight.



"Sherman.... SHERMAN!!!! No matter what..... you.... got... to strut."


Buddy Love- The Nutty Professor

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well the problem lies there that before that part of discussion you were quite convinced that i might be on the TEAM EVIL. So your willigness to join the dark side combined with the information you already know makes you serious health hazard to the town. You have to admit that?

It's more hazardous to your health to take on the cult alone. You think I'm the big evil here? You crush the tiny little bugs, and then the big giant momma bug from Starship Troopers comes out of the ground and eats your whole town.

Learn to use the dangerous elements to your advantage instead of running away from them! Take a risk, live a little, or die slowly.

[Kagemusha]

I might be evil but that doesn't mean we can't be friends.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLsyNBnE5M


You townies need to have a ruthless cold-hearted menace fighting for you. Seriously, wouldn't that increase your odds of success?

You think you can get the job done with caring and friendship and LOVE??? NO! Misery and suffering wins every time! You gotta kill the other poor bastard and make him die for HIS faction before he makes you die for yours.

You need me, you silly kind-hearted people. I can be that big brother who picks on you but still annihilates your bullies in a fight.



"Sherman.... SHERMAN!!!! No matter what..... you.... got... to strut."


Buddy Love- The Nutty Professor


Such menace can be bit of a two bladed sword. :inquisitive: To Riedquat. My actions should speak on my behalf more then anything.Would i have been evil.I would have accepted Atgp´s information and thanked him, while soon a doctor would be dead.

[Arjos]

Ima Unvote; Vote: Lewwyn

Kage and ATPG are showboating and increasing their post counts XD

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kage and ATPG are showboating and increasing their post counts XD

Well shut me up, somebody finally said it.

I should have gone with Rumpelstiltskin. That :daisy: is hard to spell and pronounce.

[Riedquat]

Such menace can be bit of a two bladed sword. :inquisitive: To Riedquat. My actions should speak on my behalf more then anything.Would i have been evil.I would have accepted Atgp´s information and thanked him, while soon a doctor would be dead.

Your actions? what actions? the only thing we have here is you and Atpg talking about something that perhaps happened in a private conversation the rest of us is not aware of, and now you are telling people to reveal to you based on that? Really?

I have questions, have you been contacted by the person who blocked you? Anyone knows why were you blocked?

[Csargo]

I feel like ATPG is trying to sell me something, but out of nowhere comes Kage trying to sell me something else. Now they're fighting amongst themselves to decide who should sell me something and I'm left bewildered on the sidelines with nothing.

[Ishmael]

Aargh, my head hurts. I just don't get the impression that ATPG is scum, but equally I feel that Kage is just a townie trying to push what he sees as a valid case (no doubt both of them are chuckling in their evil lairs at this). Thus, I'm going to have to fall back on my earlier FoS and unvote, vote: Lewwyn.

[johnhughthom]

Kage was roleblocked? Well that's a no brainer:

Vote: Kagemusha

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't quite understand this reasoning.

[landlubber]

I feel like ATPG is trying to sell me something, but out of nowhere comes Kage trying to sell me something else. Now they're fighting amongst themselves to decide who should sell me something and I'm left bewildered on the sidelines with nothing.

I completely agree with this. I'm not sure who to vote for at all, simply because I feel like I'm not getting all of the story, that there's too much going on in private.
Based off the thread solely, however, the person who most strikes me as scum is BSmith.
Vote: BSmith.

[Csargo]

As you might be able to tell, I'm not a simple guilt-innocence scanner.

There's going to be more to the game than that, and I learn different kinds of info.

What kinds? You being more specific would be nice.

I don't think Kage or ATPG should be lynched.

Kage reacted the way I would of expected him to under the circumstances.

Even if ATPG is neutral(or whatever he may be at this point, I'm not quite sure) he is willing to work with the town, so there is no point in lynching him if he is cooperating. Given the option he would rather work with the town I think.


In my opinion Lewwyn is a good lynch based on the way he reacted to my vote and how he has acted overall so far. I don't think I've ever played with Lewwyn before so I don't really know. I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

[Arjos]

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't quite understand this reasoning.

Put some pressure, he was giving hints about his night actions...

[BSmith]

I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

I don't either. If I was scum, why would I stick my neck out and make such a controversial vote? I wouldn't. I'd stay in the shadows and let it play out naturally.

Engaging with ATPG is playing with fire. I don't think I'd risk getting burned if I was scum.

[Riedquat]

I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

Me neither.... unvote; vote: abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't either. If I was scum, why would I stick my neck out and make such a controversial vote? I wouldn't. I'd stay in the shadows and let it play out naturally.

Engaging with ATPG is playing with fire. I don't think I'd risk getting burned if I was scum.

I don't think voting for openly neutral somewhat scummy ATPG is a particularly controversial move. You're painting it as such in retrospect, but it wasn't.

"If I were scum" is another one of those defenses scum use far too often. Your defense is essentially: That thing I'm doing is risky, and I never take risks as a scum. What if it's not particularly risky, and what about if you do take risks as a scumbag? I don't buy the narrative you're selling.

You have to figure that I've got protection at night, so how else do you kill me? Someone can take one for the team and accuse me. Cults expand. Losing one member in exchange for a hostile, powerful, investigator Pizzaguy is a very safe trade.

No, you're not going to wiggle out of this one so easily.

[Montmorency]

Secondly, Kagemusha isn't reading townie here. He's not reading anything much of anything yet, but since he's on the chopping block and has already admitted he's a power role, why has he abstained from saying which one?

Well, Pizza, you yourself said we'd all be power roles, no?

It's also interesting that you are systematically attacking guys as soon as it becomes personally expedient.


I also openly declared neutral

Uhhh, the way you keep emphasizing your neutrality is giving me some flashbacks.

:daisy: the pain away...


There's nothing further to be gained from pressuring me.

Your character, Pizza. :stare:

WHO ARE YOU?


I can also help connect the doctors to each other without revealing them to the mafia.

Already falling back into that role, eh? Think we'll fall for it so easily this time?


I already know is the identity of myself, a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result. It's hardly game-ending stuff. But quit telling me stuff.

What about me, eh? :shifty:


unvote, vote: Abstain

Do as you will. But I can't make a town-neutral alliance work when all I ever get is this stubbornness.

And trust me, you'll regret not using every resource at your disposal in a cult game. How you deal with this is an indicator of how the other neutrals should play. Should they even attempt to assist the town, or like the dead canary in the coal mine that I'm about to be, will they high-tail it out of townie-ville and just assume they're going to either die and lose the game, or end up as a winning scumbag, dead or not?

You're making very bad choices here, Kagemusha. I can't save myself, but I also can't help protect you from the cults when I'm gone. And I'm telling you, other survivalists won't look on the town as a friend here, if you kill me. Once again, town can choose to try to live, or it can divide itself along partisan lines, and watch the neutrals flee out of basic survival instinct. Learn anything from Capo, it's that a town divided against itself cannot stand, and like it or not, neutrals count as townies as far as game balance is concerned. And your "full" townies weren't incorruptible either in the last game, so you're fooling yourself if you think that regular townies are any better than I am.

Think carefully, because I'd rather be useful help, than a Cassandra who told you so.

Are you threatening us, Lord Sidious?

Unvote; Vote: ATPG

I do not want Lewwyn lynched. Better Pizza than him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, Pizza, you yourself said we'd all be power roles, no?

It's also interesting that you are systematically attacking guys as soon as it becomes personally expedient.

I find it interesting that you find it interesting.

Can you be a little more vague? I'm not sure that I'm not following you.


Your character, Pizza. :stare:

WHO ARE YOU?

I am your father.


Already falling back into that role, eh? Think we'll fall for it so easily this time?

Pizza was a meanie in Capo. Therefore Pizza should die in this game, YAY.


What about me, eh? :shifty:

You claimed to be a townie. Everyone by default is assumed to claim townie by default. You revealed no useful info.


Are you threatening us, Lord Sidious?

Yeah, because you're threatening me first. Derp. :rolleyes:


I do not want Lewwyn lynched. Better Pizza than him.

unvote, vote: Lewwyn.

I do not want to be lynched, and your precious Lewwyn can burn in perdition.

[Montmorency]

You claimed to be a townie. Everyone by default is assumed to claim townie by default. You revealed no useful info.

I was rather more specific.


Yeah, because you're threatening me first. Derp.

Pizza with plurality of votes: LYNCH ME
Pizza with 1 or 2 votes: YOU WILL ALL PAY THE PRICE FOR YOUR LACK OF VISION

:thinking:


Pizza was a meanie in Capo. Therefore Pizza should die in this game, YAY.

Better a townie than a neutral who will turn at the drop of a hat. Will turn in a game based on involuntary conversions. :no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

How do you know they're involuntary?

[Montmorency]

Aren't all cult games?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What kinds? You being more specific would be nice.

I'm looking for hyoo-mons. It's not just my survival but the survival of other hyoo-mons that concerns me.

That said, there's nothing in my role which says anyone has to die, it just says the hyoo-mons have to live.


I don't think Kage or ATPG should be lynched.

Kage reacted the way I would of expected him to under the circumstances.

It was still worth putting him through the wringer, because after he acted scummily, he started squeezing out droplets of townie-ness.


Even if ATPG is neutral(or whatever he may be at this point, I'm not quite sure) he is willing to work with the town, so there is no point in lynching him if he is cooperating. Given the option he would rather work with the town I think.

Depends, really. Everyone attacking me today can't be mafia, so the townies are giving me every incentive to get my win conditions changed from survival to scum victory. If I can't survive, then what's left for me?

That said, I'm still giving it my every effort. I also don't have much of a choice in the matter, I can't pick sides. I have to follow what my role PM says. I'm willing to bet you a good third of the overall townie population has black instead of green for their name. They win with the town by default, the only thing that makes them want to oppose the town is townies trying to kill them.


In my opinion Lewwyn is a good lynch based on the way he reacted to my vote and how he has acted overall so far. I don't think I've ever played with Lewwyn before so I don't really know. I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

I see the parallels between his play here and another game where he was scum. That said, we have limited data. He could be acting that way here because that's how he always acts, town or not. I'm willing to keep an open mind but that mind gets pretty closed when peeps try to kill me. I am not sure why that would be surprising to anyone.

Let us kill you and make you lose, Askthepizzaguy. Wait, pizza, why u no liek townies?

Like pulling teeth from a crying, bratty child. I take it back, it needed another negative modifier. But you, Csargo, you give me hope.

Very well, I am Rondell.

http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Rondell

(I have not read this article, btw. I prefer to play based on who is acting scummy, not what role they have)

Part of a street gang that protected neighborhoods from vampires with Gunn, but now Gunn is working for a vampire. As such I don't know if I can trust him anymore. My goal is to protect the humans from the vampires.

I scanned a guy, he was human. I won't be voting for that guy. Easy peasy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

BTW I was Charles Gunn in two games, now I'm his freaking accomplice.

Smokin Gunns, baby. I am starting to think Autolycus wants me to be Gunn or someone like him.

Oh just read the article, it's pretty brief; it says this guy wants to kill demons regardless of alignment. That's not true of my character here. I have no killing powers, just scanning ones, and no mason partners or other allies.

[autolycus]

Is it my fault that when I imagine you, atpg, it's as a scarily dangerous black dude who metes out righteous or not so righteous death to his foes :p
WARNING: this comment does not constitute an endorsement or disendorsement of Atpg's role-claim. Void where prohibited. All roles actually assigned via random.org.

[Montmorency]

Let us kill you and make you lose, Askthepizzaguy. Wait, pizza, why u no liek townies?

ATPG: Don't try to lynch me, or I'll help scum, even though my character is anti-scum as well. Instead, lynch some straight townies who have more useful abilities.

[Csargo]

ATPG: Don't try to lynch me, or I'll help scum, even though my character is anti-scum as well. Instead, lynch some straight townies who have more useful abilities.

???

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG: Don't try to lynch me, or I'll help scum, even though my character is anti-scum as well. Instead, lynch some straight townies who have more useful abilities.

Your straight townies can be turned into vampires or whatever else too. Don't fool yourself. Autolycus' games allowed even the main characters to go scum, and there is no way he'd reverse that policy for this game. The cults are powerful and not handicapped by someone being "townie" or not, important or not.

The only difference between townies and neutrals here, is the difference between the Cornerian and Venomian fighters in Star Fox, the one I hosted. The Venomians lose when they die. They want to survive. But there's enough of them where if you just go on a Venomian-hunting mission, you'll completely miss Star Wolf and Andross and you'll lose because they are your allies until forced to be otherwise.

Over-reliance on useful abilities is also the death rattle of the town. Lynch scums, they will have cover roles designed to convince you not to lynch them, i.e. "straight townies with useful abilities". :rolleyes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is it my fault that when I imagine you, atpg, it's as a scarily dangerous black dude who metes out righteous or not so righteous death to his foes :p
WARNING: this comment does not constitute an endorsement or disendorsement of Atpg's role-claim. Void where prohibited. All roles actually assigned via random.org.

Random.org has great wisdom as usual. It's like assigning Kagemusha the main scum role. It just works, dangit. Hail the random gods!

[Montmorency]

All the neutrals in the game are not worth the bones of a town role.

Even if everyone can be converted, it still doesnt refute the facts I presented. Town X > Neutral (Racist) Scanner

[Askthepizzaguy]

All the neutrals in the game are not worth the bones of a town role.

Even if everyone can be converted, it still doesnt refute the facts I presented. Town X > Neutral (Racist) Scanner

My, you're a lovely ambassador for your cause. I am just glad that your skewed viewpoint can only lead to your own destruction, because it's inherently irrational and self-defeating.

Now, I just sit back and watch you fail. When the cultists come beating down your door and biting your neck, I'll be eating a sandwich nonchalantly.

[Montmorency]

I'm sorry Pizza, but I reached out to you, and you rebuffed me. As such, you have become a liability.

Nothing personal - just quarantine. :smoking:

[scottishranger]

I'm sorry Pizza, but I reached out to you, and you rebuffed me. As such, you have become a liability.

Nothing personal - just quarantine. :smoking:


Vote: Montmorency

Everyone is confusing me. But these last few posts of Montys have been scummy and they are the ones that are sticking in my head.

But seriously.... dont understand the fight between ATPG and kage.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry Pizza, but I reached out to you, and you rebuffed me. As such, you have become a liability.

Nothing personal - just quarantine. :smoking:

I didn't want to repeat Capo by making a hidden shared information network wherein I become an extreme liability to your side because I know too much, and I said this:


No, because that leads to me having more power than I should in games.

I'll collaborate without sharing info.

Then you shared your info with me anyway, against my will. That frankly ticks me off, because I don't want the game just handed to me, okay? Is that fair or not???

Do you want every game to be like Capo? I freaking warned you ALL before the game not to do that stuff, and you did it anyway, and I asked you not to do it again here, and YOU DID IT AGAIN!!!

STOP IT!!! STOP!!! NO MEANS NO!!! NO MEANS NO!!! NO MEANS NO!!!!


I was willing to cooperate with you before and after you violated me with unwanted information, but you've decided that since I agreed to cooperate, and finally agreed to share my info, except publicly rather than just giving it to just you, NOW I have to die.

Nothing personal, just what are you smoking?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I may have to come up with a new account and play under a different name with a different style, like pevergreen did. This is getting absurd.

[Montmorency]

Guy - let's cut the pizza here and now.



I was willing to cooperate with you before and after you violated me with unwanted information, but you've decided that since I agreed to cooperate, and finally agreed to share my info, except publicly rather than just giving it to just you, NOW I have to die.

I sent you that before you posted nything in-thread.


Then you shared your info with me anyway, against my will. That frankly ticks me off, because I don't want the game just handed to me, okay? Is that fair or not???

I'm not looking to be your pawn, Pizza. I would have liked you to become just another member of a collective.

And I've already explained why I'm voting you. You just have a very uncooperative, belligerent attitude. So let me ask you straight-out - would you be willing to collaborate, but not as an organizer?

Eh?

Eh?

EH?!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I already said I would... I said I'd be willing to work with anyone who isn't hell-bent on trying to kill me. I said that I didn't want to trade information with everyone, and the reason why is because this is one of those games where there's cults and corruption and eventually the scumbags are going to convert someone with a treasure trove of information and it will be very very hurtful to the townie cause.

The network is the townkiller. You give me all your information and as soon as someone converts me successfully, now they have all my data. Worse, they have my data and the good guys don't. That's why this secret trading of information is something I refused, because yes, I am playing for the good team until someone forces me otherwise. Same reason I gave at the end of Capo why people should do that: Because right now the town side is the pony to bet on and I haven't been forced to divide against it, thus my odds of winning are higher.

All I wanted was to have a normal game where I don't gain access to a dangerous level of information that I can't guarantee doesn't end up in enemy hands. I just wanted to be left alone. Sure I'll vote with you on this or that, but please don't blurt out any information, whether it's that you're a vanilla townie or not, because that can and will be used against you.

I'm looking out for you, but you're not heeding my warnings and you're killing a potential ally because you won't agree to my terms, which are to not make me into a liability and don't kill me for no reason. As such, my belligerent attitude is the direct result. You're making me into a liability and trying to kill me for no justifiable reason. As such, you're being a bad partner.

[Montmorency]

So you would be a partner in name only. I'm looking for more than moral support here. Why would I kill an active, promising coworker over a surly neutral who will not turn against me "as long as I am the horse to bet on"?


The network is the townkiller.

Not unless there's a truly immense volume of information being disseminated. And at that point, the strength of town will be too great.

Risks, Pizza.

[Lewwyn]

So now not only has Pizza attacks Kage, but now that there has been support for him back off and just tried to live. Obviously you just want to live and you don't care who dies. That's more scummy than anything. I'm just mystified how so many of you can be drawn in by Pizza's double speak. Look at his last post. He says he wants to help the village and stay alive, but that as soon as he's turned everything he's learned will be used against us. I have no idea why ANYONE would tell Pizza anything. I think you're an idiot to do so. But it's obvious to me that he's just squirming al over the place he's going back and forth over everything, pushing all the buttons just to find the right button. This is so ridiculous.

How much time do we have? I need to decide whether I need to reveal who I am or not.

[DaveShack]

Vote: Abstain

Looking for some real information.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at his last post. He says he wants to help the village and stay alive, but that as soon as he's turned everything he's learned will be used against us.

That's sorta how cult games go, Lewwyn. That's not a pizzaguy issue, that's an element designed into the game.

You've played in cult games before, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you would be a partner in name only. I'm looking for more than moral support here.

What in the heck do you WANT from me? I've given you all my information and offered my vote assistance as well.

There's literally nothing else I can give you. If that's not enough, then there's just no pleasing you and the issue is on your end, not mine.


Why would I kill an active, promising coworker over a surly neutral who will not turn against me "as long as I am the horse to bet on"?

I don't care anymore. Do whatever the heck you want.


Not unless there's a truly immense volume of information being disseminated. And at that point, the strength of town will be too great.

:no: It's going to be a sad ending to this game, that's for certain.

I already voiced my objections, you're doing whatever you like anyway. The end result is on your shoulders.

I wonder if there are any sane townies I can work with, or if I should just abstain until the inevitable happens.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only person that makes sense to me right now is Csargo.

I'll vote for whichever person he does, until I die. That will make things less of a headache for me.

[atheotes]

...
I would love to say hello to the person or persons who visited me last night, you deserve to know who I am.

Here you sound very unsure about what happened - Now you are saying 3 people visited you last night and can corroborate their innocence.

You have claimed that you are "one" of the investigators and to know the identity of a vigilante, protector, and the roleblocker. Now you say you know a "a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result." which is it?

Its strange that an attack would not show up in the write-up....:inquisitive:

ATPG, you are yet to answer my question.

[Ishmael]

The only person that makes sense to me right now is Csargo.

I'll vote for whichever person he does, until I die. That will make things less of a headache for me.

Quick, Csargo! Vote for ATPG! :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, you are yet to answer my question.

Over the course of the round my inbox has been lighting up with communications. The information I have now is better than what I started with, but what I said was correct.

A Slayer will use a stake to kill a vampire, although it can obviously kill ordinary humans as well. I was attacked by a stake-wielding attacker, who fled from two separate defender roles, one was wielding a certain kind of weapon, the other was wielding a different kind of weapon. I'm in contact with one of the two. I know which kind of weapon they had, but I am choosing not to reveal it so someone else can prove themselves if they get defended by the same person, they can name the weapon.

Scumbags aren't going to be using a vigilante's weapon, nor protecting me, therefore all three have good solid alibis. No scans or recruitments possible from them.

I am an investigator and I'm not the only one. The person I scanned is also an investigator, it turns out. I don't know who the vigilante is, and I never said I did, and I don't know the roleblocker and never said I did.

It's not strange that an attack that failed wouldn't show up in the writeup. Not every game host includes failed attacks in their writeups. But everyone involved in my attack/defense is aware that two others also showed up, and I was also aware of it. Therefore you'll find out in due time that I'm not just making this up because it will happen to others.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quick, Csargo! Vote for ATPG! :beam:

If he gives up on me, I'm giving up on the town and you might as well kill me because I'll have lost all interest in continuing.

[Csargo]

Don't worry, I'm not giving up on you ATPG.

I think the group that Montmorency is putting together is a bad idea. I cannot put it in better words than that. Of course I have never liked the whole townie network.

[atheotes]

Over the course of the round my inbox has been lighting up with communications. The information I have now is better than what I started with, but what I said was correct.

A Slayer will use a stake to kill a vampire, although it can obviously kill ordinary humans as well. I was attacked by a stake-wielding attacker, who fled from two separate defender roles, one was wielding a certain kind of weapon, the other was wielding a different kind of weapon. I'm in contact with one of the two. I know which kind of weapon they had, but I am choosing not to reveal it so someone else can prove themselves if they get defended by the same person, they can name the weapon.

Scumbags aren't going to be using a vigilante's weapon, nor protecting me, therefore all three have good solid alibis. No scans or recruitments possible from them.

I am an investigator and I'm not the only one. The person I scanned is also an investigator, it turns out. I don't know who the vigilante is, and I never said I did, and I don't know the roleblocker and never said I did.

It's not strange that an attack that failed wouldn't show up in the writeup. Not every game host includes failed attacks in their writeups. But everyone involved in my attack/defense is aware that two others also showed up, and I was also aware of it. Therefore you'll find out in due time that I'm not just making this up because it will happen to others.

Sorry, i misread your post about roleblocker and vigilante.
You have a wealth of information. You have claimed neutral and corruptible. That makes you a huge threat to the town. Albeit not your own making but due to the number of people revealing to you for reasons i cannot fathom.
And I am not comfortable with your posturing from "stop metagaming me" to "lynch me" to "the town will lose if you lynch me"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, i misread your post about roleblocker and vigilante.
You have a wealth of information. You have claimed neutral and corruptible. That makes you a huge threat to the town. Albeit not your own making but due to the number of people revealing to you for reasons i cannot fathom.
And I am not comfortable with your posturing from "stop metagaming me" to "lynch me" to "the town will lose if you lynch me"


Please keep in mind the non-neutrals are just as corruptible, stop revealing to me is a good plea for me to be making and good advice for others to be heeding, but it shouldn't stop there. Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

The town won't lose if you lynch me, but the town will lose if you don't start playing this a little smarter. And honestly, the distinction you're making between neutrals and townies is the exact wrong distinction to be making. Every townie is untrustworthy and all are corruptible, if the pattern from the previous game holds.

You can't keep fixating on my survival win condition, that is less important than the other factors I'm discussing, ones that are extremely pertinent to the town's win regardless of what you end up deciding to do with me. At least play it smarter, so I can feel like I've been of some help.

[Montmorency]

Don't worry, I'm not giving up on you ATPG.

I think the group that Montmorency is putting together is a bad idea. I cannot put it in better words than that. Of course I have never liked the whole townie network.


Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

What would constitute a large group? 5? 10? What?

Statement: The risk of betrayal is a risk that may be taken for certain crucial networking purposes. Pizza and Csargo, you do not seem to have certain VCs. You wouldn't understand.

I shoulder all responsibility if any private action of mine causes grievous damage to the town. But that is not yet a given. Let's look back with hindsight only once it is merited.

[Montmorency]

Sorry, Pizza, I can not believe that all townies or neutrals blinkering themselves - what you imply should be done - will be a much better course of action.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not responding to your request to change my vote, Monty. You already showed your true colors with regard to how you view neutrals. The lot of us aren't worth one townie.

Until that changes, who you want lynched is not my main concern. And you've already proven to me that you're not someone I should be trying to work with.

Take it up with Csargo. I'll switch if he thinks it's a good idea, otherwise I'm voting to spare my life and kill one of my accusers.

[Montmorency]

I don't even understand at this point - are you RPing, or are you genuinely personally offended? About the friggin neutrals line?

Either way, this is really stupid.

[Montmorency]

LEWWYN DOES NOT WANT TO LYNCH YOU

Don't be a silly mule, man.

[Lewwyn]

To prove:

Unvote; Vote: Abstain

[Montmorency]

Unvote;

Who's got the moral high ground now?

[Lewwyn]

One of the reasons I'm backing off is you claimed Rondel. I did not see it earlier due to the fact you've been spamming the thread with other stuff. Please flail more loudly.

I'm convinced that you are neutral. I'm convinced that Kage and Monty are not scum. I have no wish t lynch any of these people. I wish to lynch someone who is possibly scum. Any actual suggestions Pizza? Instead of simply trying to defend yourself, who do you suspect.

And please stop putting it all on Csargo because thats just plain stupid. You have a brain use it, prove you're an asset to the village. What else are we supposed to do but lynch you if all you do is say woe is me?

[johnhughthom]

Has Kage roleclaimed?

[Kagemusha]

No i have not. But i can if you guys wish. We need to get organised and fast.

[Ishmael]

Just letting you guys know that I'll be without internet access for 4-5 days. Hopefully that will only be one full day phase that I'll miss. Try not to lynch me while I'm out :yes:.

Also, seeing as I have no clue who is scum now and because new evidence probably will have come to light by the end of this day phase that I won't see, I'll unvote, vote:abstain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't even understand at this point - are you RPing, or are you genuinely personally offended? About the friggin neutrals line?

Either way, this is really stupid.

It's just a game and I'm not personally offended, but I've lost whatever trust I had in your ability to handle the situation.

I'll think about moving my vote. Right now I'm feeling like the whole lot of Kage, Monty, Lewwyn, etc can go hang themselves for being so bloodthirsty toward me. Being upgraded from dead to stupid isn't much of a promotion. I'll probably feel more cooperative after I've had a break from this thread and had a good night's rest.

You have time to build up a case on someone else:


The Day will end in approximately 57.5 hours, on 12/8/2011 at approximately 10 AM EST

So there's no rush. Good night.

[Montmorency]

I'm feeling like the whole lot of Kage, Monty, Lewwyn,

Kage, at least, you can not accuse here. You made a case against him, not the other way around. Let's be fair.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kage, at least, you can not accuse here. You made a case against him, not the other way around. Let's be fair.

Oh my....

He voted for me first. I can understand forgetting, but it's in plain, readable text right here for all to see. Please double-check the facts before making such statements.

[Kagemusha]

Tally

Montmorency 2 (Erebus,scottishranger)
Atpg 2 (Kagemusha, BSmith)
Lewwyn 5 (Csargo,edse,thefluffyone93,Arjos,Atgp)
Kagemusha 1 (Captain Blackadder)
thefluffyone93 1 (Seon)
Abstain 3 (DaveShack,Lewwyn,Ishmael)

[Montmorency]

Oh my....

He voted for me first. I can understand forgetting, but it's in plain, readable text right here for all to see. Please double-check the facts before making such statements.

Fair enough - after you self-voted.

But fine, let's have a "reset" in our relations. Think it all over, eh?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I vote we kill someone who has posted but not voted yet.

That is someone who is enjoying our division and hoping it destroys us. You name a few of those, I'll vote for one.

[Lewwyn]

Daveshack, Seon, Scottishranger. Dave claims to want more info, Seon voted for fluffy(looks jokey), scottish claims the arguments make his head hurt.

[Montmorency]

Only JHT and atheotes.

[atheotes]

Please keep in mind the non-neutrals are just as corruptible, stop revealing to me is a good plea for me to be making and good advice for others to be heeding, but it shouldn't stop there. Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

The town won't lose if you lynch me, but the town will lose if you don't start playing this a little smarter. And honestly, the distinction you're making between neutrals and townies is the exact wrong distinction to be making. Every townie is untrustworthy and all are corruptible, if the pattern from the previous game holds.

You can't keep fixating on my survival win condition, that is less important than the other factors I'm discussing, ones that are extremely pertinent to the town's win regardless of what you end up deciding to do with me. At least play it smarter, so I can feel like I've been of some help.

Agreed that non-neutrals are just as corruptible. but no other corruptible has as much information as you do.
I do not know about what Montmercy is doing behind the scenes. But big town networks in a game of conversions is a bad idea as far as i am concerned.

if the pattern from previous game holds, you are lying about being attacked :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, you're on to something with Scottishranger.

He might have voted but he's maintaining a decidedly neutral and uncontroversial stance in the game, has posted and voted, and is avoiding the spotlight.

I like Scottishranger for death.

[Lewwyn]

I agree. People who haven't posted at all are less suspicious to me then people who have posted but are staying decidedly neutral and or not contributing.

Vote: Scottishranger

[Montmorency]

Well, if that's what it takes...

Vote: scottishranger

Will anyone follow? Particularly you, Pizza?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Agreed that non-neutrals are just as corruptible. but no other corruptible has as much information as you do.
I do not know about what Montmercy is doing behind the scenes. But big town networks in a game of conversions is a bad idea as far as i am concerned.

if the pattern from previous game holds, you are lying about being attacked :laugh4:

If you weren't asking the right questions, I'd be voting for you right now.

Now, JHT not voting doesn't surprise me and I hope he pays for it with a scan or roleblock tonight. atheotes not voting but at least discussing feels okay for now, but needs to commit to a vote soon. DaveShack will be given a pass for now, but not much longer, to be noncommittal. Ishmael could also use a scan or block seeing as he'll be using the "I'm away from my computer" excuse for not voting. Let's make sure that's not the only thing he's not doing.

Scotty's headache excuse doesn't feel genuine. The vote on Monty doesn't feel honest, either. Thinking about it, that's the one I pick as being the oddest of the spotlight avoiding bunch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Will anyone follow? Particularly you, Pizza?

I might. I want to see what people say first. Like I said, I need some sleep to clear my head. I'd also like to see Scotty respond to the charge before dogpiling him.

I also want to hear what the other Lewwyn voters have to say about the switch.

But I think it's a strong chance I'll move my vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do think the interactions we had this round were more revealing than a typical Day Two, as stressful as they might have been. So that's a positive note. Better information to base cases off of means more intelligent voting.

[atheotes]

Hmm..i dont get the Lewwyn-Montmorency-ATPG discussion. Vote changes seemingly for out-of-game reasons.
There is plenty of time to vote. No reason to vote when i am getting answers from my biggest suspect. I am still trying to understand the reasons behind the three of you agreeing to co-operate after seemingly going hard at each other.

[Riedquat]

Jebuz my head!

Ok, ok ok... unvote; vote: scottishranger

No?

[johnhughthom]

Now, JHT not voting doesn't surprise me and I hope he pays for it with a scan or roleblock tonight.

:rolleyes:

If I were scum I'd have voted already.

[DaveShack]

I'm seeing a lot of fur flying and honestly don't know which fur is the most appealing. I never have liked making person X a target purely because of past games, and that goes for any X not just ATPG. A few people have voted me in the past because of that 3rd on the bandwagon thing, which usually happens because I'm active a few hours in the morning and a few in the afternoon and it's just the right time to vote, like now. But now that I've said that, if I do place a 3rd vote you'll think I am scum and talked about it to avoid being seen as scum. :inquisitive:

I'm a townie, a relatively minor character who only got promoted to the front credits for one episode and promptly got killed in that episode. I'd prefer not to accidentally lynch my lover. That's enough reveal info for now...

It's thin, but I'll take the next to no evidence available and vote: scottishranger. If something else develops and I manage to see it before end of day I'm willing to be convinced to change.

[El Barto]

Lemme catch up with this thread. Askthepizzaguy is, in all probability, the mafia.

[Erebus]

Unvote; Vote: ScottishRanger

Better him then Lewwyn, at this moment, in my opinion.

[johnhughthom]

Now, JHT not voting doesn't surprise me and I hope he pays for it with a scan or roleblock tonight.

Seriously though, scan away, just don't waste the roleblock on me.

Vote: Monty

Bad vibes.

[edse]

What scottishranger said:
Vote: Montmorency

Everyone is confusing me. But these last few posts of Montys have been scummy and they are the ones that are sticking in my head.

But seriously.... dont understand the fight between ATPG and kage.

The case on him:
No, you're on to something with Scottishranger.

He might have voted but he's maintaining a decidedly neutral and uncontroversial stance in the game, has posted and voted, and is avoiding the spotlight.

I like Scottishranger for death.


I agree. People who haven't posted at all are less suspicious to me then people who have posted but are staying decidedly neutral and or not contributing.

Vote: Scottishranger

"He might have voted but he's maintaining a decidedly neutral and uncontroversial stance in the game"
"People who haven't posted at all are less suspicious to me then people who have posted but are staying decidedly neutral and or not contributing."

He gave a clear reason for his vote. He stayed neutral in the Kage-ATPG fight that everybody else now has backed away from. So, I can't see a valid reason for your votes. ATPG makes a demand as he ruled the town and Lewwyn just really want to stay alive as he was the one most likely to get lynched before this scottishranger thing.

[Csargo]

I might. I want to see what people say first. Like I said, I need some sleep to clear my head. I'd also like to see Scotty respond to the charge before dogpiling him.

I also want to hear what the other Lewwyn voters have to say about the switch.

But I think it's a strong chance I'll move my vote.

I'm fine with it. Mont obviously knows what Lewwyn's role is and believes his claim. Mont has the information and we do not, so for now I guess I will trust his judgement in the matter. Unvote: Lewwyn, Vote: Abstain

The accusations against Scottishranger are meh to me and I don't think they are particularly great. I have no intention of voting for him.

[Montmorency]

For the record, I don't believe scottish is Mafia. However,
Mont has the information and we do not

is true. And I'd like to mention that converting me, if at all possible, will gain you no advantage. The process does a number on one's memory, you see.

[scottishranger]

Hi ATPG, why are you flailing around for suspects? I gave a clear reason for my vote, look at monty last few posts and you can see that while they have many words, they say little.


If you want to vote someone who just says there head hurts, why not vote for riedquat?

Jebuz my head!

Ok, ok ok... unvote; vote: scottishranger

No?
But no i stick with my vote for monty.



He might have voted but he's maintaining a decidedly neutral and uncontroversial stance in the game, has posted and voted, and is avoiding the spotlight.
Youv played mafia with me before. I am never in the spotlight. I always play uncontroversial until I have something to say.

[scottishranger]

Hmm sorry for double post, but just saw Monty's last post and it is interesting that he knows something about the converting process. Care to explain more for us unenlightened?

[Montmorency]

Pizza's my go-to man for info on conversion here. He's the one who claimed that all of us are corruptible, hmm?


Hi ATPG, why are you flailing around for suspects? I gave a clear reason for my vote, look at monty last few posts and you can see that while they have many words, they say little.

Probably because we were arguing back and forth over the same points with each other?

[Csargo]

Hmm sorry for double post, but just saw Monty's last post and it is interesting that he knows something about the converting process. Care to explain more for us unenlightened?

I doubt he does, I assuming he just wants to be look more trustworthy so people will reveal information to him.

[Ironside]

Vote: Abstain

Too much back and forth for me to follow.

It's notable that if ATPG got attacked by a stake user, so we got two of them running around. That is, one or both of them might be mafia, not vigs.

[Kennigit]

vote: abstain for now. I'll catch up a bit later, but I see a whole lot of nothing tbh.

[Montmorency]

Not really. Things are looking pretty interesting, and there's only really one more character I would like to be in contact with.

[Csargo]

Pizza's my go-to man for info on conversion here. He's the one who claimed that all of us are corruptible, hmm?

This does not make sense to me. What you said in your previous post and what ATPG has been saying about conversion doesn't mesh together.

[Montmorency]

ATPG: Everyone can be converted. Speaking from experience.


. And I'd like to mention that converting me, if at all possible, will gain you no advantage. The process does a number on one's memory, you see.

Allowing for the possibility that Pizza is wrong. What's not to get?

[Csargo]

I'm not talking about that at all the part which I am refering to is this:


The process does a number on one's memory, you see.

Where did you come up with this? I guess I should have pointed out the part I was talking about in my original post, sorry about that.