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Montmorency
03-07-2012, 02:23
Sure, I guess, if you lynch me and GH is spot on with his kill...

Visor
03-07-2012, 02:25
You do realise that we have time to find the other killer...

Ishmael
03-07-2012, 02:25
Sure, I guess, if you lynch me and GH is spot on with his kill...

Or possibly we shouldn't take at face value everything the self-confessed mafioso says....

Visor
03-07-2012, 02:26
Though it would make sense to kill both Monty and GH anyway, to be blunt.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 02:31
You do realise that we have time to find the other killer...

Ah, yeah, see, that's the thing...

<redacted

Please try to figure this out on your own. I will say that nothing we do has anything to do with the town, specifically. In fact, I'm pretty sure every single possible outcome is not a win, or a loss, nor a draw. This is all about the gods.

Lewwyn
03-07-2012, 02:33
Sure, I guess, if you lynch me and GH is spot on with his kill...

A chance is better than no chance.


Or possibly we shouldn't take at face value everything the self-confessed mafioso says....

Yeah, agreed. That's another reason why Unvote; Vote: Montemorency is a good idea.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 02:35
:shrug: You'll see what I mean.

Hey birthday guy, please give me an appropriate send-off.

Visor
03-07-2012, 02:37
Suspects of mine:

Lewwyn
GH
DaveShack
Edse
BSmith (Not as much though)

Wonder what happens when the gods die? And their followers. Unless, they can recruit a new follower... which means we can't lynch the dead yes, but what about the "missing".

Khaan, I know we can't lynch the dead, but what about those missing, such as Csargo and Yaropolk?

Yaropolk
03-07-2012, 03:42
I am Huitzilopochtli, god of war and the sun.

Csargo is Quetzlcoatl. Yaro is Mictlantecutl.
. . .
But cut the crap - you can't vote.


You should go read the wiki article on Mictlantecutl . . . it would illuminate you.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 04:05
Ah, aren't you forgetting a particularly important clause concerning our conduct?

QED

GeneralHankerchief
03-07-2012, 04:27
If you're working against each other, how do you know so much about the other gods and their killers? Especially in what, round 3? I like to think that I know khaan pretty well, and I know he's always hated detectives and other roles with the potential for omniscience, which is essentially what you're claiming.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 04:35
Role Pm. Ask your buddy to show it to ya.

Also, Yaropolk admitted as much.

GeneralHankerchief
03-07-2012, 04:41
NO QUOTING HOST'S PMS, NO QUOTING CHATLOGS, NO SCREENSHOTS, NO ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS, AND NO TRANSLATING PM'S-You may claim whatever you want, including role name, so long as you don't quote my PM's word for word, or very close to word for word. You may quote pm's from other players.

How convenient for you.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 04:48
Except that it doesn't violate those rules.

Very well, I'll bow out. Go ahead and wriggle your way out of this, I won't raise my voice against you any longer. :mellow:

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 10:51
Though it would make sense to kill both Monty and GH anyway, to be blunt.

Interesting turn of events - and I like how GH is point-blank denying it. To be as blunt as Visor - I'm inclined to keep my vote on Monty and vote GH tomorrow - what we want to avoid is a tie. Unsure after all these 'reveal's' what might actually secure a town victory, but I'm fairly sure that lynching everyone who isn't town is a good way to start (heehaw!) :2thumbsup:

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 11:06
Montmorency: 4 (Lazy, BSmith, GH, Lewwyn)


GH: 2 ( Montmorency, Visorslash)

LazyMcCrow: 1 (edse)

After alot more posting today there is still a surprising lack of actual voting going on.

I believe after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing that the tally is correct but PLEASE someone check it - I am generally mistaken: - A sad fact which could just as easily apply to the situation at hand - I'm not sure how much I want to vote the way the God OF DEATH (supposedly Yaro) suggests I should. There seems like a great deal more to explore about Monty's actual motives beyond self-preservation and not enough time for such exploration. <insert shruggedy-shrug here>

Visor
03-07-2012, 11:17
Montmorency: 4 (Lazy, BSmith, GH, Lewwyn)


GH: 2 ( Montmorency, Visorslash)

LazyMcCrow: 1 (edse)

After alot more posting today there is still a surprising lack of actual voting going on.

I believe after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing that the tally is correct but PLEASE someone check it - I am generally mistaken: - A sad fact which could just as easily apply to the situation at hand - I'm not sure how much I want to vote the way the God OF DEATH (supposedly Yaro) suggests I should. There seems like a great deal more to explore about Monty's actual motives beyond self-preservation and not enough time for such exploration. <insert shruggedy-shrug here>

The problem is that we have the same people talking. We have a load of lurkers.

We can lynch GH right now if you want Lazy.

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 12:07
The problem is that we have the same people talking. We have a load of lurkers.

We can lynch GH right now if you want Lazy.

Well I was worried about a tie letting them both off the hook, but reviewing the rules is always a good idea!

"Any ties in voting will await someone to break it. First vote to either person who is tied will result in lynch, regardless of any posts after it."

So - why not, it might have some affect or another!

Unvote: Montmorency Vote: General Hankerchief

(if my tally is indeed correct)
Montmorency: 3 (BSmith, GH, Lewwyn)

GH: 3 ( Montmorency, Visorslash, Lazy)

LazyMcCrow: 1 (edse)

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 12:08
Unvote: Montmorency Vote: General Hankerchief

now with emboldened!

Visor
03-07-2012, 12:26
Lynch em all and let Tlaloc sort them out. :laugh4:

Lazy, what's your opinion of Lewwyn and Dave?

edse
03-07-2012, 12:53
Are you intentionally trying to sentence yourself to death, seriously?

What was wrong with that?

Unvote:Vote:Montmorency

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 12:56
Lynch em all and let Tlaloc sort them out. :laugh4:

Lazy, what's your opinion of Lewwyn and Dave?

I have already given my 'intuition' based opinion of Lewwyn's scumminess, and I bought the explanation at the time. Now I'm not so sure. GH seemed keen to vote Daveshack, - if Monty's 'reveal' is true then GH may have been fishing for another killer. Daveshack hasn't said much of note, but has consistently stayed on the right side of a WoKing - that is either because he is scum, or because he genuinely wishes to participate :) tbh - I find you more scummy than Daveshack right now, but that should come as no surprise :bow:

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 12:57
What was wrong with that?

Unvote:Vote:Montmorency

So why do you think Monty is a preferable lynch to GH?

edse
03-07-2012, 13:02
So why do you think Monty is a preferable lynch to GH?

I've been voting for Monty for two days already...

Why are you others voting for him? Because a dead man told you to.


Not as much as me. I think the ghost is onto something.
UNVOTE: BSmith VOTE: Montmorency


What the hell. Let’s see where this goes. unvote; vote: Montmorency



Unvote; Vote: Monty

Let's see where this leads us.

edse
03-07-2012, 14:23
When I think about it...

Unvote: Vote: GeneralHankerchief

He's a killer, Montmorency might not be able to kill.

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 14:25
I've been voting for Monty for two days already...

Why are you others voting for him? Because a dead man told you to.

And (thumbs back through thread) the only reason you've given for voting him up to now is because he was third on a joke bandwagon on D1 - is that the only thing that makes you more suspicious of Monty than GH?

edse
03-07-2012, 14:29
And (thumbs back through thread) the only reason you've given for voting him up to now is because he was third on a joke bandwagon on D1 - is that the only thing that makes you more suspicious of Monty than GH?

As I've been saying from the beginning, it's a scummy move to be third on a joke bandwagon AND say "look, I'm third on the bandwagon, I must be mafia, hehehe"

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 14:48
As I've been saying from the beginning, it's a scummy move to be third on a joke bandwagon AND say "look, I'm third on the bandwagon, I must be mafia, hehehe"

edit: ahh you've updated your vote to GH.

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 15:07
Happy birthday to the overseer, for he has approved what follows:

Alright, you scumbags. You think you can get me lynched on the sly? Not even the courtesy of a night-kill?

And don't think I'm not wise to you, GH. I wanted to have you killed N3, before my champion got himself lynched.

By the way: Mictlantecutl, I ordered the hit on you. You were acting a little Godlike. :wink:

I am Huitzilopochtli, god of war and the sun.

Csargo is Quetzlcoatl. Yaro is Mictlantecutl. Chaotix was my killer. I know that GH is a killer.

It seems in my "speculations" I hit too close to the truth, and you guessed my identity.




But cut the crap - you can't vote.

So here's the deal: everything you have heard thus far, from GH, Yaropolk, Csargo, myself, Chaotix, and one other among you, has been bullcrap.

I'm one of three gods here. We get a follower, and he kills for us. Csargo and Yaropolk were killed N2. I am the last god standing, but the other gods still have their killers in the field.

I am bound by the oaths of the wager against revealing our winning conditions. Suffice to say that we are working against each other, and the only way town can win is if we simultaneously kill each other. Town is not the driver here. Town is merely a backdrop to our activities. It's the flavor of the game.

If you don't lynch me now, I will be night-killed. All I want to do is take down GH. Whether he's Mict's or Quetzl's puppet, I don't care. I just want to take down one more of these guys.

It matters not. Third killer, I do not know you. But whoever is lynched here, make the appropriate kill. You've already won.

Are you Quetzl's, GH? That's what I would expect, on meta principles.

Vote: General Hankerchief

I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

edse
03-07-2012, 15:14
I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

You are, don't even try to defend yourself.

BSmith
03-07-2012, 15:39
I agree that the killer needs to be killed first. unvote; vote: GeneralHankerchief. If Monty is to be believed then he will likely be killed tonight by the third killer, leaving us to find the last killer the hard way.

DaveShack
03-07-2012, 15:59
Can't remember if I've voted, so play it safe Unvote.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief I was split between him and Lewwyn before, might as well carry through with that and see what happens.

Csargo
03-07-2012, 16:13
I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

Letting Monty live is a terrible idea, since he may be able to recruit another champion.

BSmith
03-07-2012, 16:25
If that is the case, wouldn't he have done that on N3 after Chaotix was lynched? Or if it is a day recruitment, it would be today. Either way we are already too late to prevent that. Better to kill the killer now and reduce the deaths tonight in my opinion, and run the risk of another recruitment, even though it is less likely.

Csargo
03-07-2012, 16:36
There won't be a tomorrow.

seireikhaan
03-07-2012, 16:45
Round over. Writeup will be posted in a bit.

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 16:46
There won't be a tomorrow.

Because Monty will win as 'Last God Standing' if we don't lynch him today? Seems unlikely. However it also seems unlikely that two Gods would be killed by the end of N2 so you may be right. Ah well. Try and elaborate if you can though - that'd be nice :)

BSmith
03-07-2012, 16:51
Well then the game is already lost for me then what do I care? The way it looks right now is that we are being played by opposing gods with no real way to win, so what does it matter what I do? Tell me how the town gets a win out of this and maybe I’ll listen.

If we lynch GH today (and he is indeed one of the two killers remaining), then that leaves Monty and the other killer. The other killer kills Monty tonight, leaving one killer remaining for us to work out. Hardly the end of the game for us.

Now if you are telling me that not lynching Monty today will mean that he wins, then the only way I see that happening is that Monty’s killer is still alive and he is lying to us about that part. Lynching GH today would then leave the two of them untouched and possibly trigger their win condition.

This is what it is, isn’t it?

EDIT: Double x-post. Well the day is over, so what will be will be.

Csargo
03-07-2012, 17:01
Because Monty will win as 'Last God Standing' if we don't lynch him today? Seems unlikely. However it also seems unlikely that two Gods would be killed by the end of N2 so you may be right. Ah well. Try and elaborate if you can though - that'd be nice :)

I don't think I was supposed to say that. Breaking rules and whatnot.

Csargo
03-07-2012, 17:04
Well then the game is already lost for me then what do I care? The way it looks right now is that we are being played by opposing gods with no real way to win, so what does it matter what I do? Tell me how the town gets a win out of this and maybe I’ll listen.

If we lynch GH today (and he is indeed one of the two killers remaining), then that leaves Monty and the other killer. The other killer kills Monty tonight, leaving one killer remaining for us to work out. Hardly the end of the game for us.

Now if you are telling me that not lynching Monty today will mean that he wins, then the only way I see that happening is that Monty’s killer is still alive and he is lying to us about that part. Lynching GH today would then leave the two of them untouched and possibly trigger their win condition.

This is what it is, isn’t it?

EDIT: Double x-post. Well the day is over, so what will be will be.

You win by default if you're alive basically.

GeneralHankerchief
03-07-2012, 17:29
This is absolutely ridiculous and I'm so glad that I got railroaded while I was asleep and didn't even have the chance to defend myself.

Seriously guys, this was the easiest thing in the world to make up a story to get out of a lynch. Which two people had the most unusual deaths? Csar and Yaro. What's a good way to deflect pressure? Lump yourself in with them, without proof, and invent a story saying you can't kill, thereby absolving you of all sins. Absolutely convenient. What a crock. If I had known you guys were going to fall for this hook, line, and sinker, I would have taken him more seriously last night. Lynch him with extreme prejudice tomorrow.

LazyMcCrow
03-07-2012, 18:12
Now I just feel stupid ...again.

Chaotix
03-07-2012, 19:36
This is absolutely ridiculous and I'm so glad that I got railroaded while I was asleep and didn't even have the chance to defend myself.

Seriously guys, this was the easiest thing in the world to make up a story to get out of a lynch. Which two people had the most unusual deaths? Csar and Yaro. What's a good way to deflect pressure? Lump yourself in with them, without proof, and invent a story saying you can't kill, thereby absolving you of all sins. Absolutely convenient. What a crock. If I had known you guys were going to fall for this hook, line, and sinker, I would have taken him more seriously last night. Lynch him with extreme prejudice tomorrow.

Bahahaha...

If you're not actually a champion that makes this pretty funny, GH.

BSmith
03-07-2012, 19:45
I'm going to withhold feelings of stupidity until we see what happens tonight.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 22:09
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

I don't know the town's VC, or whether there really is one. I was just inferring based on what I do know; it was the only way I could think of.


You win by default if you're alive basically.


is certainly another possibility.

But sure, I can't actually be certain GH is a killer. If he isn't. he must be a "special" townie like Ishmael. Let's see the result.



For the record, I can not recruit another hero.

Ishmael
03-07-2012, 22:22
For the record, I can not recruit another hero.

Forgive us for taking your words with a grain of salt Montmorency :yes:.

Personally, I'm positive. I think the town is well on the way to catching all the mafia and avenging our beloved High Priest. (Cue 'Total Mafia Victory' tomorrow)

GeneralHankerchief
03-07-2012, 22:30
But sure, I can't actually be certain GH is a killer.

Oh gee, thanks for telling everybody that now.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 22:40
Forgive us for taking your words with a grain of salt Montmorency

Alright, I admit it. All of that was made up.

I actually control both killers and I can recruit to replace the one you lynched, tonight. Now that you've wasted this round - and tomorrow you'll have to lynch me - my scums are unstoppable, as there are no longer enough of you to lynch them. Csargo and Yaropolk were your only hopes, but I chose to investigate N1 instead of killing; :evil:

On the other hand, everything in my reveal might just be the truth.

seireikhaan
03-07-2012, 22:51
Of course, the Emperor was right, in a way. We still had the task set before us. The time for grief would be later. After the initial shock wore off, those gathered gave their most vigorous examination yet. It began more or less as a standard procedure. But before long, increasingly grand proclamations were made. One even claimed to be Huitzilopochtli himself! What madness? I began to wonder if the task was too much for much for this group of men. But before I could think to make any protestation, the scout returned from his watch to inform us the day was finished. The emperor stood up, with a somewhat disturbing grin on his face. "Well, my men! What have we? Which of you will you hand over to me today?" The group, so much smaller than when we started, looked around at each other for a moment before pointing at the prestigious General Hankerchief, victor in the war against Tlaxcala. I suppose that this made some sense. Even though we failed to annex the city proper, the General brought a large amount of territory under our own control.

He, however, disagreed. Even though he voluntarily walked up to the altar, he berated the rest. While he laid down on the altar, he laughed at their ignorance, claiming the whole effort was doomed folly. His voice was finally silenced as the Emperor, acting in place of Tlacalael, thrust the knife into his chest. Unfortunately, the Emperor was not nearly as proficient in the act as Tlacalael. It took nearly a full minute of slicing and hacking and pulling apart ribs before the Emperor found the heart, now still from being pulled from a deceased host. He held it aloft for a short while before setting it down next to the General. "Excellent work!" The Emperor congratulated them. "Well done! I'm sure the gods noticed our efforts today! Rain will be here before we know it!" I couldn't help but feel uneasy as I headed back to my quarter for the night.


IT IS NOW NIGHT FOUR. PLEASE SEND ORDERS.

GH- 6 (Edse, Bsmith, Daveshack, Montmorency, Visorslash, Lazy)

Montmorency- 2 (GH, Lewwyn)


Alive:

Bsmith
Daveshack
Edse
Fluffy
Landlubber
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn
Montmorency
Visorslash
White eyes
Zack

Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)

Ishmael
03-07-2012, 22:52
Alright, I admit it. All of that was made up.

I actually control both killers and I can recruit to replace the one you lynched, tonight. Now that you've wasted this round - and tomorrow you'll have to lynch me - my scums are unstoppable, as there are no longer enough of you to lynch them. Csargo and Yaropolk were your only hopes, but I chose to investigate N1 instead of killing; :evil:

On the other hand, everything in my reveal might just be the truth.

False dichotomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma), much?

Visor
03-07-2012, 23:06
Regardless of whether GH is scum or not, I'm happy to see one suspect go.

Montmorency
03-07-2012, 23:20
Heh, GH.

Ye of little faith... :no:

White_eyes:D
03-07-2012, 23:23
And....I missed another round. You all can lynch me if you can't find a suspect tomorrow, I make real good lynch-bait.:grin2:

I think the GH lynch was a fail...sure he was acting like he had a role but it seemed more Pro-townish. Even if Mort can recruit someone else, I doubt the new recruit can do so again(It is only 20 players). So there are 2-3 lynchs to get it right.:book:

seireikhaan
03-08-2012, 23:53
Alright, night is over. Writeup will be posted asap.

seireikhaan
03-09-2012, 03:47
Deep within the bowels of the pyramid, Visorslash found himself investigating a very strange chamber. With a torch in hand, he explored the chamber, marveling over the design. As the Emperor’s chief engineer, he was naturally curious about the structure of the pyramid, but never before had he the access. This particular chamber was in the center, with two open pathways out each direction. He explored around, looking for torches to light. Eventually, he found one on each side of the pathways. With the extra light, he could see the magnificent, high ceiling decorated in art similar to the sacrificial chamber. Even more fascinating, there were massive stone plates which could be drawn out to bar a pathway via a lever mechanism. However, the purpose of this chamber seemed to have been lost, as it now seemed to be used in storage. Sacks were stacked in the corners of each room. He poked at one, finding an odd, dark powder in it. He pondered what it could be when a flare from his torch dropped into a sack, igniting the substance.

Visorslash only barely avoided the small explosion, vaulting backwards. It still left a charred mark on his face, but it could be worse, he supposed. What sort of bizarre substance is this? And why was it being stored down here? He continued to explore around. His foot scuffed over something on the ground. His peered down, and his eyes went wide. It was a trail of the strange powder. He followed it out of the chamber, down the northern pathway. It lead to a nearby chamber, which was similar to the previous one. More sacks of the powder were littered across this one as well. What…? A noise from behind him made Visorslash spin around. He ran as fast as he could to the original chamber. He skidded to a stop when he found a lean man dumping another sack of the powder into the corner. He turned to his new guest. “Ah, welcome, welcome! You’re here just in time for the spectacular display!” the man said as he casually walked up to Visorslash. “Such a wondrous substance this is. Not sure where it came from, but once I found it, I knew exactly what to do with it. Tell me, do you know?”


Visorslash gulped and nodded. “Ah, such a pity. I guess that doesn’t leave me much choice.” Without warning, he lunged at Visorslash, pulling a club from behind his cloak. The engineer didn’t have the reflexes to doge, and blacked out the instant the club collided with the side of his head.

A hissing noise was the first to wake Visorslash up. He stirred, and was shaken out of his groggery by panic. There was powder littered everywhere across the ground. It lead out in both directions. The sound of swift running went off in the southern direction. If there were more chambers filled with the powder…. Was this man insane? Was he trying to destroy the whole pyramid? With a panic, Visorlslash did the only thing he could think off. He sprinted to the pulley controlling the northern door, and immediately began pump as fast as he could. The door seemed to slide out agonizingly slow, but perhaps that was simply time slowing down. The scraping of the door across the floor grated his nerves as much as the hissing of the powder trail igniting across the floor. With a thud, the first door slammed shut. He sprinted back across the room, and began cranking it as fast as he could. As he cranked, he began to sing his favorite tune in a hushed tone, one he’d come up with a while ago after receiving his promotion to chief engineer. It soothed his nerves whenever he sang it.

“I am the very model of a Tenochtitlan Engineer. I’ve learned to design with shapes of pyramid, tetrahedron, and the sphere. I know the construction of all faces of a building, front and rear. I’ve shaped the fields, the markets, made sure the space was clear…” With a thud, the second door clammed shut. With a deep sigh, he stared at the trail, just seconds from igniting the huge sacks stacked against the walls. At least the ignition wouldn’t escape. The lower levels were safe, at least for now. He skipped to the final verse. “For my knowledge, I have been paid and praised. For my purpose, many fields have been razed. In the end, in matters of construction and gears, I am the very model of-“ Visorslash’s final line was cut short as the stacks of powder ignited simultaneously, sending a roaring explosion searing the room and rocking the doors. But still, the massive plates held. For at least one more day, the pyramid was safe and sound.




As we entered the sacrificial chamber once more, we all knew the odds. The noise from the basement alerted a pair of scouts to investigate the source. We found one of the chambers completely charred, with an unrecognizable body inside. We only identified him as Visorslash later by head count. We needed to end this drought fast, or we all might die before we can even find the pure one. Even the Emperor seemed a bit more somber than yesterday in wake of the news. Still, our task was not yet finished, and so we began our examination once more.


IT IS NOW DAY 5. YOU HAVE 36 HOURS.

Alive:

Bsmith
Daveshack
Edse
Fluffy
Landlubber
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn
Montmorency
White eyes
Zack

Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)

Ishmael
03-09-2012, 03:50
Only one death - promising.

Visor
03-09-2012, 03:54
I enjoyed my death, thank you Khaan.

Alright. Monty I think we should probably kill you.

Edse as well.

Montmorency
03-09-2012, 04:00
Well, guys? Got anything you want to say to me?

I was thinking more along the lines of acknowledgement of my honesty... :P

Visor
03-09-2012, 04:01
Haha, no. Killing you wraps up a loose end.

Montmorency
03-09-2012, 04:17
Eh, whether or not I am lynched today, the outcome is the same.

Visor
03-09-2012, 04:20
Oh really. Town loses does it?

Montmorency
03-09-2012, 04:22
Nope. Only I lose. Well Chaotix, the eliminated pair, and I lose.

Visor
03-09-2012, 04:26
Right. We still need to find this pure sacrifice though. SO monty or edse townies, which one?

BSmith
03-09-2012, 04:30
Well, let’s get this started. vote: Monty.

One kill is indeed promising.

BSmith
03-09-2012, 04:32
x-post with Visor. I say Monty first, eliminate the known quantity. Not sure what threat he is at this point (assuming he has been honest) but that is what my gut is telling me to do.

Montmorency
03-09-2012, 04:33
A-HA!

I've found you out, I do believe.

Here's my last shot, henchman.

Vote: Bsmith

What's the situation with WoKs, Khan?

BSmith
03-09-2012, 04:36
Why? Because I am the first to vote for you? Good luck with that.

Montmorency
03-09-2012, 04:38
Then who? Edse, Lewwyn, or Crow? The WoK-bait?

I've made my choice. I've no better to do than gamble.

Visor
03-09-2012, 04:40
But why are you gambling. What reasons do you have?

Montmorency
03-09-2012, 04:47
Hey, if I lynch my competitor, it can only be good for me.

Chaotix
03-09-2012, 04:49
Brilliant write-up, khaan!

Here's the deal, kids:

Killing Monty will do nothing for you. He's a god, he can't do anything but vote, as he has said himself.

Killing the last killer will end the game. If Monty is dead when you do this, the town wins alone. If Monty is alive when you do this, the town wins and Monty and his champion win jointly. Either way, you're going to have to lynch the killer in order to end the game, because he's going to keep coming after you even if he kills Monty.

So essentially Monty is just a distraction. This is basic mafia with one scumbag on the loose from here on out.

Csargo
03-09-2012, 06:16
Kill Monty.

Lewwyn
03-09-2012, 06:25
Awesome write up! That was a very good read.



Killing the last killer will end the game. If Monty is dead when you do this, the town wins alone. If Monty is alive when you do this, the town wins and Monty and his champion win jointly. Either way, you're going to have to lynch the killer in order to end the game, because he's going to keep coming after you even if he kills Monty.

So essentially Monty is just a distraction. This is basic mafia with one scumbag on the loose from here on out.

So says Monty's champion, per Monty. I'm sure you would both like to win. Thing is as a town we should lynch all mafia shouldn't we? If we let Monty live won't that count as 2 mafia against the town? Meaning that if there are 2 villagers left, Monty and the killer won't the mafia win? I'm not seeing a scenario where allowing Monty to live is a good thing. Monty said he told the truth, but in the end he was still lying apparently.

Vote: Montmorency

White_eyes:D
03-09-2012, 06:55
Chaotix is bargaining....you only do that if you/scumbuddy is backed into a corner.(Not saying your predictable or anything but Monty was pretty boned already, nice try though):applause:

Vote: Montmorency

Monty needs to die in that case.:smiley:

Chaotix
03-09-2012, 07:51
Chaotix is bargaining....you only do that if you/scumbuddy is backed into a corner.(Not saying your predictable or anything but Monty was pretty boned already, nice try though):applause:

Vote: Montmorency

Monty needs to die in that case.:smiley:

:laugh4:

I lost when I died.

Although to be fair, I did not predict that saying something would garner more votes on my poor abused scumbuddy.

I've caused him enough trouble already, and I'm starting to genuinely feel terrible about it.

I'll not say another word this game; it's better that way.

LazyMcCrow
03-09-2012, 09:22
:laugh4:

I lost when I died.

Although to be fair, I did not predict that saying something would garner more votes on my poor abused scumbuddy.

I've caused him enough trouble already, and I'm starting to genuinely feel terrible about it.

I'll not say another word this game; it's better that way.

Well - that says it all. I was weighing up whether it might actually be better to go after the killer this turn, but that post puts it beyond all doubt that The God/Killer pairings are the 'scum' we are looking for. Monty is the known threat and everyone posting so far seems to want to see what happens if we lynch a God.

Well, me too...

Vote: Montmorency

edse
03-09-2012, 10:12
Well, we voted for the killer last turn, why not this turn as well?

Vote: LazyMcCrow

LazyMcCrow
03-09-2012, 11:17
Well, we voted for the killer last turn, why not this turn as well?

Vote: LazyMcCrow

I'd like to know what your reasoning is behind your voting me again - other than to deflect attention from yourself. All you've stated so far is that I have 'weak argumentation' and yet you pursue me with a devilish fury. The fact that you are mentioned as the 'next lynch' by a few people today getting to you a bit?

edse
03-09-2012, 12:54
If I were the last killer, wouldn't I try to kill the enemy God? One of you on the wagon is the last killer and I believe it's you.

LazyMcCrow
03-09-2012, 13:41
If I were the last killer, wouldn't I try to kill the enemy God? One of you on the wagon is the last killer and I believe it's you.
That might make some sense if I hadn't been the first to vote Monty yesterday (albeit at the behest of a dead scum) - BEFORE he made his reveal. If you were the last killer? I'm not hearing anything to dissuade me about your scumminess.

edse
03-09-2012, 14:27
That might make some sense if I hadn't been the first to vote Monty yesterday (albeit at the behest of a dead scum) - BEFORE he made his reveal. If you were the last killer? I'm not hearing anything to dissuade me about your scumminess.

Maybe you were listening to the same bird as Yaropolk, or maybe you are the bird itself.

Yaropolk
03-09-2012, 14:34
That might make some sense if I hadn't been the first to vote Monty yesterday (albeit at the behest of a dead scum) - BEFORE he made his reveal. If you were the last killer? I'm not hearing anything to dissuade me about your scumminess.

I resent that. I'm only mostly dead. And I gave the town 2 scum. Anyway, Vote: Monty. I am genuinely curious of lynching him will fulfill the "pure of soul" requirement.

LazyMcCrow
03-09-2012, 14:47
I resent that. I'm only mostly dead. And I gave the town 2 scum. Anyway, Vote: Monty. I am genuinely curious of lynching him will fulfill the "pure of soul" requirement.

No offence meant. I love the fact that you are still voting. Given that nothing short of a miracle will save Monty this turn, I guess we won't find out whether or not your vote actually counts. So you are also not aware of what constitutes a town victory? Curious indeed.

Montmorency
03-09-2012, 16:13
Wow, did Chaotix really say that?

Guys, that was an unrequested tag-in and he bended the truth quite a bit. If you want to get a more accurate picture, just refer to my older posts.

Here's your choice: let the surviving killer and his god win - or allow me and Chaotix to win.

Now, don't you think I dese-e-e-rve to win, after all that has been said and done? :clown:

Sacrifice me to myself, and you can forget about winning any wars for the next hundred years. :stare:

LazyMcCrow
03-09-2012, 16:33
Tally

Montmorency: 4 (BSmith, Lewwyn, White eyes:D, LazyMcCrow)

BSmith: 1 (Monty)

LazyMcCrow: 1 (edse)

Yaropolk also votes for Monty!

Csargo
03-09-2012, 18:15
Now, don't you think I dese-e-e-rve to win, after all that has been said and done? :clown:

Sacrifice me to myself, and you can forget about winning any wars for the next hundred years. :stare:

No.

DaveShack
03-10-2012, 05:53
Vote: Montmorency Busy day, lucky to have remembered to do rounds of the games I'm in today. :creep:

seireikhaan
03-11-2012, 04:40
Extending the round 12 hours for two reasons- a) activity, b) not going to be able to do the writeup tonight. Sorry.

Montmorency
03-11-2012, 04:49
This is your chance to vote BSmith, mortals.

edse
03-11-2012, 11:35
Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.

The only threat to the town atm is the last killer and the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win. BSmith or LazyMcCrow is the last killer and with him gone we have all the time in the world to find the sacrifice.

LazyMcCrow
03-11-2012, 12:11
Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.

The only threat to the town atm is the last killer and the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win. BSmith or LazyMcCrow is the last killer and with him gone we have all the time in the world to find the sacrifice.

Interesting conclusion you have there. You're saying that a killer would win NOT by doing his job, but by town doing theirs? While lynching Montmorency does make me slightly nervous - given that a killer IS still at large and is clearly an active player (as opposed to the handful of inactives who I am assuming will get WoKed imminently) - you are right: lynching Monty is bad for town in that it gives the Killer another opportunity to get closer to victory. I'd almost be prepared to follow your lead on this one if it weren't for the fact that a) You propose to lynch me rather than Montmorency and b) I don't agree with your conclusion above. I imagine that you have it the wrong way round: I think Montmorency will achieve some kind of victory for outlasting all the other power roles when the killer is lynched. I imagine a killer without a God, will likely have to survive SK-style to the end of the game. That makes most sense to me when I 'think about it' as you instruct.

So - I think that Monty's lynch is probably for the best - as well as being a foregone conclusion anyway. It's possible that the remaining killer - if that is indeed the set-up, is one of the players who sits on the line between lurking and participation. The more you expound your theories the less likely I think it is that you are the killer, but I still wouldn't bet against it: Guilty til proven innocent and all that :) I guess we'll just have to get the popcorn out and watch what happens when a God is lynched. If that brings about the end of the game, so be it, but I don't think it will.

Lewwyn
03-11-2012, 12:31
Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.


Wouldn't a god be the purest sacrifice? And probably the god's champion as well? I don't really agree with this idea that somehow we just let a self-professed mafia live. I'd love to go lynch the last killer, but we're not sure about who that is. I've always found that in mafia games you must lynch known mafia even if you think we can always get around to lynching them later. We have to lynch Monty at some point. Best now instead of possibly lynching another villager.

Oh and lynching a god, I'm excited for the write up! :2thumbsup:

edse
03-11-2012, 12:40
unvote:vote: BSmith there you have a candidate to the lynch, he's on the line between lurking and participation

Montmorency: 5 (BSmith, Lewwyn, White eyes:D, LazyMcCrow, DaveShack)

BSmith: 2 (Monty, edse)

edse
03-11-2012, 12:41
Wouldn't a god be the purest sacrifice? And probably the god's champion as well?

The purest sacrifice can't really be one of three Gods or one of the three champions.

I forgot the No Vote category.

No Vote:Fluffy, landlubber, Zack

The names in red are in danger of being WOK:ed, landlubber should have been yesterday.

White_eyes:D
03-11-2012, 13:16
Why are you trying to save someone who admits they are up to no good?:inquisitive:

edse
03-11-2012, 13:30
Why are you trying to save someone who admits they are up to no good?:inquisitive:

He's not up to no good, the killer is.

seireikhaan
03-11-2012, 14:55
Round over. Writeup will be posted soon-ish.

seireikhaan
03-11-2012, 23:03
Our examination for the following day proved short and succinct. It seemed it was on everyone's minds to find out what exactly Montmorency meant by claiming divinity. Surely a divine power was purer than anything a mere mortal could hope for? If not... well, a distraction taken care of, at least. When the Emperor demanded my record of everyone's decision, it was clear who would be handed over. Montmorency raised an eyebrow at the Emperor as he walked up to the altar. "Are you sure you wish to do this? You know who sustains your power. It is not these mortals," he said, gesturing to the crowd. "You know what I offer is far more substantial. Abandon this now." Montmorency narrowed his eyes as he stood in front of the blood-stained slab.

"You are a blasphemer! I am the Emperor! The gods have given me the power of divine judgment! I am divine will incarnate, you are nothing! Now down onto the altar, or we'll force you down." Montmorency grinned. "Now!" the Emperor ordered. Montmorency just chuckled.

"I would like to see your guards try. Do you truly think they can subdue the god of slaughter?" As if to answer, TheFluffyOne, Landlubber, and Zaccino moved behind him, each placing a hand on one of his arms. He looked around, suddenly angry. His eyes blazed a golden hue. "You dare touch divinity?! For you, the deal is off." A bright light flashed through the room. The Emperor staggered back, blinded for just a moment. When he could see again, Montmorency had vanished. The three soldiers each were scalded all across their fronts. Scorched sinews stared back at their ruler as they collapsed in a heap. "We are not finished," a booming voice rang out. "This is not the end. Your suffering is not yet over. Prepare for oblivion. For the few brave enough, I look forward to seeing you again."

I stood next to the Emperor in pure shock. He was standing like a statue. The rest of the remaining group looked to him questioningly. "My lord..." I whispered. "What now? What do we do?" He shook his head slightly.

"Go."



IT IS NOW NIGHT 5. PLEASE SEND ORDERS NOW. 24 HOURS AS USUAL.

Alive:

Bsmith
Daveshack
Edse
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn
White eyes


Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)
Montmorency (D5)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)

Wrath of Khaan:

Zaccino
Landlubber
Fluffy

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 09:54
"I would like to see your guards try. Do you truly think they can subdue the god of slaughter?" As if to answer, TheFluffyOne, Landlubber, and Zaccino moved behind him, each placing a hand on one of his arms. He looked around, suddenly angry. His eyes blazed a golden hue. "You dare touch divinity?! For you, the deal is off." A bright light flashed through the room. The Emperor staggered back, blinded for just a moment. When he could see again, Montmorency had vanished. The three soldiers each were scalded all across their fronts. Scorched sinews stared back at their ruler as they collapsed in a heap. "We are not finished," a booming voice rang out. "This is not the end. Your suffering is not yet over. Prepare for oblivion. For the few brave enough, I look forward to seeing you again."


Well - I guess that's what Montmorency meant by claiming divinity. Big thanks to Zac, Fluffy & Landlubber for taking one for the team ;P
I'm surprised no-one has had anything to say yet - it seems like its time to take a closer look at what everyones been up to over the course of the last few days. I shall chew some cocoa leaves and return imminently.

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 12:57
Monty & Chaotix

Csargo & ?
Yaropolk & ?

> General Hankerchief?


Let us assume that GeneralHankerchief was the killer for Csargo:




https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?140181-With-Great-Sacrifice&p=2053425747&viewfull=1#post2053425747



That means that the remaining killer is Yaropolks' Death Cultist.

However:


The town consists of the priests and warriors attempting to find the pure sacrifice. The Mafia's motives will not be quite as clear cut.

...

There will be a minimum of roles. The town will have, at it's disposal, at least one doctor, and possibly an investigator of sorts depending on the numbers play out. There will also be one currently unidentified "mystery" town role. The mafia may have additional abilities on top of killing. If I were playing, I would not rule out 3rd party roles. I'm hoping for at least 30, up to 40 players. 40 would be ideal, but I can work with 30. There won't be alt accounts for this game.

Well, began the game with 20: I think we can rule out the doctor and investigator. We've established through (misleading?) reveals from Montmorency & Chaotix, that each mafia faction has a God & a killer. There has been no evidence thusfar to suggest that this isn't true. The hosts description defines the mafia VC as 'not quite as clear cut' as the town's which is clearly 'The town consists of the priests and warriors attempting to find the pure sacrifice'

So we have a remaining killer amongst us and possibly a pure sacrifice. Let us assume there IS a pure sacrifice and that the game will end when he is lynched or killed. Perhaps it is the Emperor?


I've scanned each post by the remaining alive players and then read the thread again. I built up opinions on all players and I assume one of them is the 'pure' sacrifice, but I think first we must catch the killer.


In my opinion the remaining killer is Daveshack. I basically follow the 'guilty until proven innocent' methodolgy of re-reading the thread and studying the voting form. Everything daveshack posted just confirmed to me he is the killer, whereas there were always a few things about other players that made me doubt it.

Particular posts that stood out for me as follows:

Daveshack - post 126 -
So the "survival" is just flavor, and they're really gone? Love the ambiguity.

If they're gone, we have a big zero. My suspect was going to be Yaropolk, though the evidence was merely having voted for both lynches.

This post either: a)exhonorates him from a connection with Yaropolk, or b)establishes one.

post 146 gets wind that Chaotix is a power role. Votes to eliminate the competition

post 193 - looks scummy if you want it too. I bought it at the time.

post 219 very townie indeed. Throws alot of bread to the ducks ie: away from himself.

post 230: backs off Lewwyn immediately that Lewwyn protests his innocence. He is scum there is no need for him to pursue an innocent so long as he is not getting lynched himself.

post 231: the whole 'need...more..info' stuck out for me at the time of posting. The only reason he needs more info is so that he can eliminate his competition.
post 232: paranoid about seeming scummy 'bumping up his post count' apology

This was when Daveshack was most active: ie: when he was being voted for. General Hankerchief moves his vote from Daveshack to Monty and Dave drops off the radar.
But then:

post 282: Happy to jump on the GH wagon. can't remember whether or not he voted before? that's because he has never voted for any reason other than to deflect attention.

post: 337 he even ****ing tiptoes

Look forward to seeing what everyone else has to say.

DaveShack
03-12-2012, 15:53
That's some nice analysis. Completely wrong conclusions, but nice. I won't even OMGUS, since you didn't vote. Trying to see if someone else does it first, so you don't get tagged as the one who started it?


Nah, I'm just trying to make sense of what little there is.

Repeating myself. There is practically nothing here. If there were something to go by, it would be different, but nothing really stands out. And I don't know what to do when there is nothing, other than to read the nothing again more slowly to see if anything shows.

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 15:57
That's some nice analysis. Completely wrong conclusions, but nice. I won't even OMGUS, since you didn't vote. Trying to see if someone else does it first, so you don't get tagged as the one who started it?



Repeating myself. There is practically nothing here. If there were something to go by, it would be different, but nothing really stands out. And I don't know what to do when there is nothing, other than to read the nothing again more slowly to see if anything shows.

You're right - I completely forgot to vote for you as I had little enough time to read everything in the thread again and formulate an opinion, before I went into a meeting for the last couple of hours. Here we go - I'll remedy that now
vote: Daveshack

Lewwyn
03-12-2012, 16:14
Look forward to seeing what everyone else has to say.

That was a pretty awesome post. Honestly though, I'm not convinced yet. I think the crux here is that post 126. Is that confirming a connection to Yaropolk? I went back and looked, it comes after the kills so yeah I can see where you're coming from. Why would you even bring it up if you're not concerned with his death? On the other hand, I think there's a stronger case that a mafia player would ignore it and try to distance himself from the kill, not lament it. I think you're looking at it wrong.

I've been going back through a bit and I've been focusing on those that are here but are contributing very little, mostly White_Eyes and BSmith. This is not to say that one of them is definitely the killer, but I think what we should put pressure on them today to see if they are paying attention enough to defend themselves.

As for edse I've been on his case a lot this game, but for the last couple days we've had pretty much confirmed mafia to lynch. edse I'm still watching but I've seen more guilt elsewhere for now... It's late in my TimeZone. I will try to arrange some evidence to explain my concerns about White_Eyes and BSmith.

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 16:20
(edit: reaction to Dave)....although your reaction just doesn't sound that scummy. Hmmmpf. What I don't like about your response though, is that there clearly IS loads of stuff to go through and loads of reaction. It seems like you can't be bothered with it, which I'm sorry to say DOES seem townie of you, given the ****poor show so far. Hells - we've been lucky enough for scum to fall on each others swords and now we're going to throw that away by just...not bothering? I like it less, but until I'm given a plausible reason to vote for someone else - by you or whoever: You're still my best guess. It's too late in the day now for 'Nothing really stands out'

DaveShack
03-12-2012, 16:36
You mean this post?


So the "survival" is just flavor, and they're really gone? Love the ambiguity. :shrug:

If they're gone, we have a big zero. My suspect was going to be Yaropolk, though the evidence was merely having voted for both lynches.

Let me put that a different way. I was going to vote for Yaropolk at that point, because of his voting record. Monty (who we now know was "special" too) pointed out that the attacked people were missing from the living list. I expressed surprise that this was the case, since the writeup clearly indicated they survived in some form. In retrospect, now we know why Monty cared...

How is that scummy, to be confused now that the only player I had a feel for was gone but "saved by the writeup"? And remained a suspect of sorts, when the post-death "voting" continued?

Lazy and Lewwn both act townie, at least in the past few posts. There is someone who seemed eager to put someone else up, anyone but Monty, and that was Vote: Edse.

edse
03-12-2012, 16:50
Lazy and Lewwn both act townie, at least in the past few posts. There is someone who seemed eager to put someone else up, anyone but Monty, and that was Vote: Edse.

GAAAAAHHHHH!!! I WAS TRYING TO GET HIM LYNCHED THE TWO FIRST DAYS! And the last killer would be someone that was voting for Montmorency.

It's night now anyway so you are all voting in vain.

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 16:53
You mean this post?



Let me put that a different way. I was going to vote for Yaropolk at that point, because of his voting record. Monty (who we now know was "special" too) pointed out that the attacked people were missing from the living list. I expressed surprise that this was the case, since the writeup clearly indicated they survived in some form. In retrospect, now we know why Monty cared...

How is that scummy, to be confused now that the only player I had a feel for was gone but "saved by the writeup"? And remained a suspect of sorts, when the post-death "voting" continued?

Lazy and Lewwn both act townie, at least in the past few posts. There is someone who seemed eager to put someone else up, anyone but Monty, and that was Vote: Edse.

That's the post. I read it as a deliberate effort to conveniently distance yourself from Yaropolk, using lazy reasoning to profess to be voting for him in the first place. However, I can see that as Lewwyn pointed out, it can be read in both ways, and I may indeed have got it the wrong way round. I'd appreciate the opinions of some proven innocents, as well as the rest of the alive.

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 16:54
GAAAAAHHHHH!!! I WAS TRYING TO GET HIM LYNCHED THE TWO FIRST DAYS! And the last killer would be someone that was voting for Montmorency.

It's night now anyway so you are all voting in vain.

XD - oh yeah!

BSmith
03-12-2012, 17:05
I’m here, and if you have concerns about me, ask away. I have nothing to hide.

Does anyone know if the champions started on D1 as killers, or were they recruited by the gods? Reading Monty’s reveal post leads me to believe that they were recruited, but it is not clear. Knowing if/when they were recruited may help in the thread analysis.

BSmith
03-12-2012, 17:29
I went through the thread and looked at White_Eyes:D. He has said just about nothing this entire game. Here is a summary of all his posts:

Post #16: pre-game “in” post
Post #55: apologizes for missing first round (fluff)
Post #82: Votes for Chaotix mainly due to Chaotix’s almost nonsensical quasi-joke post (fluff)
Post #134: mainly talks about meta game setups by Khaan, interestingly states that more people need to vote, then places his vote on Csargo (who is dead at this point) with no reasoning whatsoever.
Post #166: Notes that he voted for a dead guy after the round is over (fluff)
Post #303: Posts to say he missed yet another round, jokes about being lynch bait. Thinks the GH lynch is a fail. (mostly fluff)
Post #324: Responds to Chaotix’s post about finding the last killer before lynching Monty. Votes for Monty.
Post #345: Questions edse “trying to save someone who admits they are up to no good”. (edse voted for me at this point instead of Monty).

Nothing stands out to me a scummy, other than the fact that he has done just enough to avoid the WoK and hasn’t said anything of consequence that could come back and bite him. I am suspicious, but unfortunately there is no real evidence against him.

In doing this exercise, I did notice this post by edse:



The purest sacrifice can't really be one of three Gods or one of the three champions.

Do you care to expound on this any? How do you know it can’t be one of them? One way to interpret this statement is that it is an attempt to deflect attention away from finding the last killer. Is this what you are advocating here?

edse
03-12-2012, 17:45
Do you care to expound on this any? How do you know it can’t be one of them? One way to interpret this statement is that it is an attempt to deflect attention away from finding the last killer. Is this what you are advocating here?


Al right guys, think about it. We are not here to lynch Gods, we are here to find the purest sacrifice. That's not Montmorency.

The only threat to the town atm is the last killer and the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win. BSmith or LazyMcCrow is the last killer and with him gone we have all the time in the world to find the sacrifice.

The Purest Sacrifice is probably a town power role or a third party role. I would say Lewwyn or White_eyes.

I even wanted to lynch a killer yesterday and not a harmless God. I still think Lazy is the one most likely to be the killer and you're number two on the list.

edit: and I have changed my opinion on this: "the fact that he didn't nightkill Monty last night makes me draw the conclusion that there is a mechanism that requires Monty to get lynched for the killer to win". He understood that you were going to lynch Monty no matter what so killing him would have been a waste of kill.

BSmith
03-12-2012, 18:29
What makes you think that either Lewwyn or White_Eyes is the purest sacrifice? And why are Lazy and I at the top of your list?

Yaropolk
03-12-2012, 18:51
I resent that. I'm only mostly dead. And I gave the town 2 scum. Anyway, Vote: Monty. I am genuinely curious of lynching him will fulfill the "pure of soul" requirement.

Apparently Monty was full of delicious nougat and not pure soul!

Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh

Hush my darling, don't fear my darling
The lion sleeps tonight
Hush my darling, don't fear my darling
The lion sleeps tonight

Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh
Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh

Seriously - it's night time, stop voting!

Montmorency
03-12-2012, 18:56
You plainly broke the compact, so my honor demands recompense.

I'll see you in Hell, Coward-God.

Face me! :stare:

edse
03-12-2012, 19:02
What makes you think that either Lewwyn or White_Eyes is the purest sacrifice? The purest sacrifice's only goal must be to survive. Lewwyn and White_Eyes are the ones trying hardest to do that.


And why are Lazy and I at the top of your list?

Your eagerness to follow the dead Gods' will.

BSmith
03-12-2012, 21:20
I’ve looked back through the thread and here are my observations and rank of who I think is the most suspicious:

1.) Daveshack
Among the other things that others have said already, DaveShack just seems off to me. Most of his analysis twists things ever so slightly to make them seem worse than they really are. He has made several posts about not being very experienced, yet he has been playing mafia at least as long as I have (more than a year now) and I don’t consider myself inexperienced.

2.) Edse
Edse has always had an underlying suspicion by others throughout the entire game. When I looked at him earlier his actions just seemed erratic to me, and not in any way planned or calculated. His recent insistence on not lynching the known scum, but instead trying to find the last killer (a much riskier proposition seeing how we don’t know who he is) is questionable as well. The past few rounds he has had less than focused accusations against several people, yet he hasn’t had a lot to back up those accusations.

This behavior, to me anyway, points to either a townie who is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, or it is a constant attempt to try to direct the attention in thread away from himself. I’m honestly not sure at this point.

3.) Lazy McCrow
Lazy has done a fairly good job of working towards the town cause. He has quite a few fluff posts but also a lot of good analysis that (on the face of it anyway) has helped us work through things. He is either really good at sounding townie when he is scum, or he is indeed a townie.

3.) Lewwyn
Seems less of a threat to me after reading through the thread again. He had the early scare of almost being lynched, and acted as I would expect a townie would. He has also had some decent posts lately that have been good analysis, or responses to other’s analysis. Overall I am not feeling very suspicious of him either, but like Lazy he may just be really good at acting townie.

I would rank Lazy and Lewwyn the same in my priority list.


?) White eyes
Not enough data to really make a determination. This is the wild card of the game.

I think the most attention needs to be given to DaveShack and White_Eyes tomorrow.

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 21:48
I agree with that - I think White Eyes :D is probably the pure one and Daveshack is the killer, but as has already pointed out, it's night time and the killer is going to just kill us if he catches us analysing and voting after lights out.

BSmith
03-12-2012, 22:00
He is going to kill one of us anyway, so I figured I'd get my thoughts out there in case it is me he chooses. :bow:

Yaropolk
03-12-2012, 22:20
I’ve looked back through the thread and here are my observations and rank of who I think is the most suspicious:

1.) Daveshack
Among the other things that others have said already, DaveShack just seems off to me. Most of his analysis twists things ever so slightly to make them seem worse than they really are. He has made several posts about not being very experienced, yet he has been playing mafia at least as long as I have (more than a year now) and I don’t consider myself inexperienced.

2.) Edse
Edse has always had an underlying suspicion by others throughout the entire game. When I looked at him earlier his actions just seemed erratic to me, and not in any way planned or calculated. His recent insistence on not lynching the known scum, but instead trying to find the last killer (a much riskier proposition seeing how we don’t know who he is) is questionable as well. The past few rounds he has had less than focused accusations against several people, yet he hasn’t had a lot to back up those accusations.

This behavior, to me anyway, points to either a townie who is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, or it is a constant attempt to try to direct the attention in thread away from himself. I’m honestly not sure at this point.

3.) Lazy McCrow
Lazy has done a fairly good job of working towards the town cause. He has quite a few fluff posts but also a lot of good analysis that (on the face of it anyway) has helped us work through things. He is either really good at sounding townie when he is scum, or he is indeed a townie.

3.) Lewwyn
Seems less of a threat to me after reading through the thread again. He had the early scare of almost being lynched, and acted as I would expect a townie would. He has also had some decent posts lately that have been good analysis, or responses to other’s analysis. Overall I am not feeling very suspicious of him either, but like Lazy he may just be really good at acting townie.

I would rank Lazy and Lewwyn the same in my priority list.


?) White eyes
Not enough data to really make a determination. This is the wild card of the game.

5) Yaropolk
Definitely one of the good guys - gave us 2 scum. We should listen to him

I think the most attention needs to be given to DaveShack and White_Eyes tomorrow.

Fixed that for you

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 22:41
5) Yaropolk
Definitely one of the good guys - gave us 2 scum. We should listen to him

Oh yeah - who should we lynch tomorrow, oh dead scum god?

Montmorency
03-12-2012, 22:48
I technically gave you three scum, so listen to me: don't listen to Yaro.

seireikhaan
03-12-2012, 23:01
Alright, night is over. Writeup in progress.

LazyMcCrow
03-12-2012, 23:04
I technically gave you three scum, so listen to me: don't listen to Yaro.

Oh ok. So who should we lynch tomorrow Oh dead scum God? (...of War)
Man the Emperor is going to be annoyed when he finds out we've been up all night yakking!

Montmorency
03-12-2012, 23:19
we've been up all night yakking!

:uhoh:

Yaropolk
03-13-2012, 01:56
Oh yeah - who should we lynch tomorrow, oh dead scum god?

Don't know yet - have to think about it.

seireikhaan
03-13-2012, 02:14
Based on the previous nights, Daveshack decided it was safest to avoid spending the night alone. Upon leaving the sacrificial chamber, he found the only other person leaving to his section of the quarters and offered his proposal. The man accepted, commending Daveshack on his sound logic. The two arrived to his quarters, neither speaking. Daveshack sat down against the wall. “Would you be up for a wager?” he asked his guest. The guest titled his head, then nodded, a curious look on his face. Daveshack lifted up his mat and pulled several wooden chips out. “Alright, see how each chip has a different god’s emblem on it? I set each one face down. Then, I rearrange them while you have you have your back turned. Then you turn around, and try to identify which god is assigned to which chip.”

“What do I get if I win?” the guest inquired.

“Oh, there’s not going to be anything actually wagered. Just a friendly competition.”

“I see.” With that, he turned around so Daveshack could begin to randomize the chips. After a short time, Daveshack told him he was ready. The host pointed to the first chip on the floor. “Mictlantecutl,” the guest answered. Daveshack lifted it up. It was indeed Mictlantecutl’s sigil on the chip.

“Very good! Lucky guess, I assume?”

“No, I was quite certain it was his.” Daveshack frowned.

“Did you cheat?”

“No,” the guest answered. He grinned slightly. Without warning, he leaped forward, pinning Daveshack to the ground. “He told me.” The guest retrieved the club hanging from the back of his belt and smashed in Daveshack’s face with a single blow.




My arrival to the sacrificial chamber did yield anything promising. The Emperor sat on a stone bench, looking dejected. I cautiously approached him. He just shook his head as I neared, and gave a wave of his hand to the crowd while giving me a somber look. I took it to mean we were still in our hunt. "My lord, I-" I was cut off by his glare. He simply motioned once more to the crowd. I understood what he meant. He wanted me to lead the examination. My heart sank. Were we all finished? Were we doomed to failure? No! We had to try, even if our Emperor would not. I approached the altar, and with a loud clap of my hands, began our search once more.



IT IS NOW DAY SIX. YOU HAVE 36 HOURS.

Alive:

Bsmith
Edse
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn
White eyes


Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)
Montmorency (D5)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)
Daveshack (N5)

Wrath of Khaan:

Zaccino
Landlubber
Fluffy

Yaropolk
03-13-2012, 02:22
:smash:

Montmorency
03-13-2012, 02:33
Vote: BSmith

How about you lose now?

BSmith
03-13-2012, 03:24
Well that was certainly a curious choice for a kill, given the suspicion several of us had on DaveShack. I think for now I’ll go with number 2 on my list, and vote: edse.


Vote: BSmith

How about you lose now?

If I am lynched we will be no closer to finding the pure sacrifice or the killer. I am sorry to disappoint.

Montmorency
03-13-2012, 03:28
I'm afraid there is no "pure" one - the God of Death wants all of you dead.

Lewwyn
03-13-2012, 05:38
The Dave kill is super odd. I mean the killer had plenty of time to choose based on what people had been talking about at night. The biggest post of the night was against Dave. I'm going to chalk this up to the killer either making a mistake or not being around to change the kill target if they had already selected Dave. I think Lazy McCrow is probably innocent even if he had made up a huge case against Dave that turned out to be wrong. Who would go do all that work just to night kill the very person you were trying to lynch?

Alright given that, Only White_Eyes did not post before the end of night. Given BSmith's post on White_Eyes and my own feelings on his quasi absence. I'm going to Vote: White_Eyes. I can't get that vote for Csargo, and the subsequent "Oh I guess I voted for a dead guy" post that came just 30 minutes after the write-up, out of my head. For me It seems he's been carefully treading the line between being almost WOKed and not.

DaveShack
03-13-2012, 07:38
He has made several posts about not being very experienced, yet he has been playing mafia at least as long as I have (more than a year now) and I don’t consider myself inexperienced.

A correction: I made several posts about being useless when vanilla with insufficient information, not about being inexperienced. :stare:

I too am not sure what to think of being targeted.

edse
03-13-2012, 08:40
Vote: White_Eyes DaveShack was the only one I regarded as innocent.

Montmorency
03-13-2012, 08:46
Um, intolerable mud-minded corporeals guys...

edse
03-13-2012, 11:02
Um, intolerable mud-minded corporeals guys...

Any sane mafia would leave me alive until tomorrow as lynchbait.

LazyMcCrow
03-13-2012, 11:32
Um, intolerable mud-minded corporeals guys...

What?

OK. I'm as surprised as you guys at the Daveshack kill, but unless it is simply a mistake by White_Eyes:D as you guys seem to think, its could actually be a pretty clever kill, as it does a reasonably good job of sowing additional confusion. I have to assume that any of my three fellows are more than capable of pinning that kind of shizzle onto an innocent, and so it doesn't do much to help me choose a new suspect.

So - I must either choose White_Eyes:D, as most likely to have made a mistake, OR I choose BSmith as indicated by the Dead - and yet still very present (and still able to vote?) God of War. OR i make my own choice based on my deductive powers and razor-sharp sense of intuition.

Well - I think Daveshack's reaction to my accusations last night pretty much made me feel like I'd got it wrong, I think I should probably rule out option three. I am inclined to believe that White_Eyes:D made an error, but I think that a wagon on him right now would be less than productive if we got it wrong and it WAS actually some sneakiness on the part of edse, BSmith or Lewwyn. We still don't know if the Gods vote counts in any way - I think I shall:

vote: BSmith

for now and hope that the way the votes fall will provide more evidence.

White_eyes:D
03-13-2012, 12:07
DaveShack was the only one I regarded as innocent.
Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

LazyMcCrow
03-13-2012, 12:34
Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

ummm. What?

LazyMcCrow
03-13-2012, 12:57
White eyes: 2 (Lewwyn, edse )
Edse: 2 (BSmith, White_Eyes:D)

Bsmith: 1 +1 (Lazy, + Monty)

Not sure what to do. I'm happy to drop my vote from BSmith onto either White Eyes or Edse as frankly I am equally suspicious of either. White_eyes:D needs to explain further his apparent revelation (sorry if I'm stupid here but I don't see the 'obvious'ness) and Edse needs to just look less scummy in general - its like everything you've done pongs a bit. Why White_Eyes:d instead of BSmith or me again?

edse
03-13-2012, 15:51
Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

What?

I'm happy with whoever of White_Eyes and BSmith that gets lynched.

Lewwyn
03-13-2012, 16:38
Well, this:


Gentlemen, we have our killer.:7detective:

Vote:edse

Really did nothing to convince me that I've got my vote wrong...

LazyMcCrow
03-13-2012, 16:54
Well, this:



Really did nothing to convince me that I've got my vote wrong...

I'm still waiting for further explanation on that post White_Eyes:D?
Given that a tie is resolved by a tie-breaking vote, we may find out if Gods' Votes count this round, because I'm not sure which to vote for if it comes down to me to break the tie. I guess if I have to choose, that I'd vote White_Eyes:D rather than edse if he doesn't have anything further to say.

BSmith
03-13-2012, 18:40
I agree. I am quite tempted to change my vote to White_Eyes given he still hasn't contributed much to the discussion, even after we have given him a lot of grief over it.

How about it White_Eyes?

Yaropolk
03-13-2012, 18:44
vote: edse

BSmith
03-13-2012, 19:56
Why not White Eyes, Yaro? Is he your killer?

Chaotix
03-13-2012, 20:10
Why not White Eyes, Yaro? Is he your killer?

No, but you are!

ZING!

LazyMcCrow
03-13-2012, 22:03
No, but you are!

ZING!

lol! Zing indeed! If Yaro is voting edse, it is because he wants us to think White_Eyes:D is his champion. Which means of course that his champion must be Lewwyn, BSmith or myself. I find myself agreeing with the dead killer Chaotix. WHo would Yaropolk have recruited to be his kiler? - BSmith. My vote stays on BSmith, I would urge everyone to join me in lynching him.

Montmorency
03-13-2012, 22:07
That is a correct opinion.

edse
03-13-2012, 22:33
Unvote: Vote: BSmith Lazy's reasoning makes sense.

Tally
2 edse: Bsmith, White_eyes
2 BSmith: LazyMcCrow, edse
1 White_eyes: Lewwyn

BSmith
03-13-2012, 22:34
It doesn't make it right though...

BSmith
03-13-2012, 22:39
I am also pretty sure that the gods want all of us dead, so they are going to sow as much confusion as they can to preserve the one killer as long as they can in hopes that they can still win.

Montmorency
03-13-2012, 22:46
Mmm, that's why we killed each other. Right-o.

LazyMcCrow
03-13-2012, 22:59
.....

Bah - I nearly changed my mind then. The other option is of course that Yaropolk voted for his own Champion in order to hide him better. It would help to know if a Gods vote means anything. I guess if it did then MOnty's vote for BSmith would already tip the balance in favour of his lynch :/ Not sure what to do at all.

Visor
03-14-2012, 00:58
Vote: Lewwyn

Just kidding, I'm kinda dead.

Kill edse.

BSmith
03-14-2012, 01:32
When did we start editing posts that had votes in them (or unvotes for that matter)?

Visor
03-14-2012, 01:40
I'm dead.

BSmith
03-14-2012, 01:44
I'm not talking about you. ;)

DaveShack
03-14-2012, 02:14
Can I join the dead voting thing too?

Nah, tempting but don't want to sow any more confusion. I will point out that I became a target after I called Edse out. Though as always in mafia, could be misdirection.

DaveShack
03-14-2012, 02:20
Though the saying I was the only one he saw as innocent was interesting. But that leads to endless WIFOM, so I'll be interested to see what happens. :shrug:

Lewwyn
03-14-2012, 02:36
lol! Zing indeed! If Yaro is voting edse, it is because he wants us to think White_Eyes:D is his champion. Which means of course that his champion must be Lewwyn, BSmith or myself. I find myself agreeing with the dead killer Chaotix. WHo would Yaropolk have recruited to be his kiler? - BSmith. My vote stays on BSmith, I would urge everyone to join me in lynching him.

But what if his whole purpose was to protect White_eyes? In the end that's what he's done.
I'll Unvote; Vote: BSmith because this totally makes sense, but it also makes sense to me that Yaropolk is actually trying to protect White_eyes. The vote was already on White_eyes and edse, not BSmith, why would Yaropolk even post if his champion wasn't on the block? And he didn't say anything. He just voted. In the end we're reacting to his vote. I see both possibilities here.

White_eyes:D
03-14-2012, 02:52
I have no idea what is going on.:wall:

I just saw edse defending Monty last round as scummy and went off that. I mean can any of you honestly tell me you think anyone is "innocent" at this point?:inquisitive:

Come on, edse is scum. I would bet my kitten's future on it.

Montmorency
03-14-2012, 02:58
If edse is scum, his defending me is not a reliable tell - my buddy is long-dead.

Why would my enemy both abstain from killing me and work against my lynch?

White_eyes:D
03-14-2012, 04:18
If edse is scum, his defending me is not a reliable tell - my buddy is long-dead.

Why would my enemy both abstain from killing me and work against my lynch? You see? Your still trying to defend your scum buddies. I guess Chaotix must have mistakenly rubbed off on you....Town we are at the 10 yard mark, lynch edse and let's finish this.:bow:

Montmorency
03-14-2012, 04:54
Have you actually been following what has happened prior to this round?

White_eyes:D
03-14-2012, 06:11
No, too much thinking when I fail to understand Aztec lore makes my head hurt...just going off in-thread behavior.:shrug:

LazyMcCrow
03-14-2012, 11:16
But what if his whole purpose was to protect White_eyes? In the end that's what he's done.
I'll Unvote; Vote: BSmith because this totally makes sense, but it also makes sense to me that Yaropolk is actually trying to protect White_eyes. The vote was already on White_eyes and edse, not BSmith, why would Yaropolk even post if his champion wasn't on the block? And he didn't say anything. He just voted. In the end we're reacting to his vote. I see both possibilities here.

I agree - it can be taken both ways. And sorry BSmith, I did actually change my vote off you to edse last night and then changed my mind back again and then edited that post, but now I'm thinking that White_Eyes:D looks guiltier than edse - If White_Eyes:D HAS just semi-lurked his way through, its because we've done his work for him. However, both edse and then Lewwyn have responded to the call to lynch BSmith:

2 edse: Bsmith, White_eyes (+Yaropolk)
3 BSmith: LazyMcCrow, edse, Lewwyn (+Monty)

I don't think Gods votes will count. Otherwise Csargo would be doing so too. So it is now pretty much impossible to lynch White_Eyes:D in the next couple of hours. I'm incredibly torn between my vote on BSmith and switching to edse., with White_Eyes:D a little less suspicious and Lewwyn seems least of all. Still completely open to a decent argument if anyone has one.

edse
03-14-2012, 11:56
The last couple of posts from White_eyes are really weird, feels like someone grasping a straw.

LazyMcCrow
03-14-2012, 12:02
The last couple of posts from White_eyes are really weird, feels like someone grasping a straw.

Yeah - but I've drunk so much wine already that this one from you feels just the same.

edse
03-14-2012, 13:35
Yeah - but I've drunk so much wine already that this one from you feels just the same.

Yeah I know, that's the problem with saying anything at all. It's better to stay quiet and survive like White_eyes has done.

BSmith
03-14-2012, 13:40
But what if his whole purpose was to protect White_eyes? In the end that's what he's done.
I'll Unvote; Vote: BSmith because this totally makes sense, but it also makes sense to me that Yaropolk is actually trying to protect White_eyes. The vote was already on White_eyes and edse, not BSmith, why would Yaropolk even post if his champion wasn't on the block? And he didn't say anything. He just voted. In the end we're reacting to his vote. I see both possibilities here.

It is probably already too late to change anyone’s mind here, as the day is almost over. But I am fairly certain that the bolded part is the correct answer here.

After I am dead and the killings continue – because they will – then we need to stop and take a hard look at this and keep following our instincts. We have several good cases against two players, but we are failing to follow through on those cases and are instead allowing our paranoia and insecurity to creep in and allow us to be directed by individuals that we know do not share our VC.

edse
03-14-2012, 13:43
It is probably already too late to change anyone’s mind here, as the day is almost over. But I am fairly certain that the bolded part is the correct answer here.

After I am dead and the killings continue – because they will – then we need to stop and take a hard look at this and keep following our instincts. We have several good cases against two players, but we are failing to follow through on those cases and are instead allowing our paranoia and insecurity to creep in and allow us to be directed by individuals that we know do not share our VC.

If you change your vote to White_eyes I can do so as well. I don't want to risk my own life however so one more vote would be needed.

LazyMcCrow
03-14-2012, 13:52
I am so close to switching my vote its unbelieveable, BUT the one thing about the highlighted bit that both you and Lewwyn aren't taking into account is exactly the point that Yaro didn't need to vote.
It makes White_Eyes look bad, but we lynch edse and STILL HAVE a DAY TO LYNCH WHITE_EYES! At this point the person doing best out of it is one of you, me or Lewwyn

My opinion is that Yaro is doing nothing other than messing with us and his vote on edse was maybe designed to make White_Eyes look bad - but mainly he's just been trying to spread confusion. If you're not the killer, then so be it - I'm wrong, but I'd kick myself if it turned out I was right and I'd switched.

LazyMcCrow
03-14-2012, 13:53
xpost with edse, that last one was directed at BSmith

Visor
03-14-2012, 13:59
Keep your options open fellas.

I'll be back on the final day with my thoughts.

BSmith
03-14-2012, 14:02
If you change your vote to White_eyes I can do so as well. I don't want to risk my own life however so one more vote would be needed.

unvote; vote: White_Eyes:D

Lewwyn
03-14-2012, 14:02
So what do you want to do? How much time do we have? To be perfectly honest I would rather lynch White_Eyes today because I think its more likely he's the killer. BSmith is the next most suspicious in my eyes. You mention that we still have another day to lynch White_Eyes, I would much rather the game be finished tonight and not risk getting killed...

edse
03-14-2012, 14:03
My opinion is that Yaro is doing nothing other than messing with us and his vote on edse was maybe designed to make White_Eyes look bad - but mainly he's just been trying to spread confusion. If you're not the killer, then so be it - I'm wrong, but I'd kick myself if it turned out I was right and I'd switched.

The last three lynches have been a direct order from dead scum.

Lewwyn
03-14-2012, 14:03
Unvote; Vote: White_Eyes

edse
03-14-2012, 14:04
Unvote: Vote: White_eyes

LazyMcCrow
03-14-2012, 14:12
You mention that we still have another day to lynch White_Eyes, I would much rather the game be finished tonight and not risk getting killed...
That was actually with reference to Yaropolk's interference, but I admit that my reasoning was becoming rather convoluted at that point - as you'd already pointed out. Interesting turnabout now anyway, I look forward to the write-up :)

seireikhaan
03-14-2012, 15:21
Round is over. Not sure when I'll have the writeup posted, hopefully within a couple hours.

Montmorency
03-14-2012, 17:23
And you let him get away at the last moment.

:wall:

edse
03-14-2012, 17:37
And you let him get away at the last moment.

:wall:

You're not as charismatic as the other dead Gods.

Montmorency
03-14-2012, 17:44
If that were true, you would have been lynched today.

For My sake!

edse
03-14-2012, 18:05
If that were true, you would have been lynched today.

For My sake!

Why do you believe it's him? That he voted first on you does not make him look scum, rather the opposite.

Montmorency
03-14-2012, 18:09
Every single post of his, and Yaro's behavior, lead me to the conclusion.

Catch the slippery eel tomorrow. :shame:

edse
03-14-2012, 18:14
Every single post of his, and Yaro's behavior, lead me to the conclusion.

Catch the slippery eel tomorrow. :shame:

What about White_eyes story that I am your killer? You know it is incorrect, is he only a lost townie?

Montmorency
03-14-2012, 18:17
What about White_eyes story that I am your killer? You know it is incorrect, is he only a lost townie?

He never said that; he called you my "scum buddy".

It seems he was just confused about the nature of the game. At any rate, talk to me about White eyes when the game ends without another kill.

seireikhaan
03-15-2012, 00:00
Our examination ended with people seeming to be more concerned about who was causing the nightly deaths than our purest soul. I wasn’t sure if the Emperor was aware of the change in course. He was sulking in the corner, staring at the floor. I didn’t do much to help the effort, to be honest. I was still so unsure of what my role was exactly. Did the Emperor expect me to be the one to wield the knife today? I am a simple scribe, surely not holy enough. When the scout returned from the entrance to inform us the day was passed, I had my answer. The emperor stood up and walked slowly to the altar.

“Which one?”

Three of the remaining five pointed to White eyes, the room silent. White eyes, to his credit, looked to have nerves of stone as he walked to the altar. Without a fuss, he laid down, chest bared to his ruler. The Emperor gazed at the curved knife in his hand for a moment, running his finger along the blade. The look was almost… forlorn. Then, without warning, burning rage overtook his face. He rammed the knife into White eyes’ chest, then again. With hatred in his eyes, he butchered the man laying before him, not even bothering to remove the heart in a proper manner, but instead, ripping it out and throwing it against the wall. He continued the butchery afterwards, tearing the ribs apart, splintering flesh and bone everywhere. The rest of us did not need to take a cue to leave. We left our dear leader to finish expending his rage in solitude.




White eyes 3 (Lewwyn, Edse, Bsmith)
Bsmith 1 (Lazy)
Edse 1 (White eyes)


Alive:

Bsmith
Edse
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn


Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)
Montmorency (D5)
White Eyes (D6)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)
Daveshack (N5)

Wrath of Khaan:

Zaccino
Landlubber
Fluffy

White_eyes:D
03-15-2012, 03:35
Great job....now edse wins.:no:

LazyMcCrow
03-15-2012, 10:18
Great job....now edse wins.:no:

That may well be true. If the scenario is that there is still a pure one and a killer then town certainly can't win, as we have 1 lynch left at best. Ah well - No need to complain now though: You day-ud.

Montmorency
03-15-2012, 10:39
Maybe if you had, uh, kept your votes on BSmith?

Your fixation on this notion of a "pure one" is rather disillusioning. Don't you think that, if there even were such a character, he would by all probability be long-dead?

Leave behind this nonsense and just lynch the killer already.

Jarema
03-15-2012, 10:50
I think that the "pure one" may be the purest violent killer on the world...

LazyMcCrow
03-15-2012, 10:53
Maybe if you had, uh, kept your votes on BSmith?

Your fixation on this notion of a "pure one" is rather disillusioning. Don't you think that, if there even were such a character, he would by all probability be long-dead?

Leave behind this nonsense and just lynch the killer already.

Umm - I did keep my vote on BSmith and - like you - think the notion that a 'pure one' is not simply a distraction is probably unlikely. But, Oh scummy dead God of War, there is still a lynch left to get the killer, and whoever is left alive to see it through in the morning, at least stands a chance of getting it right simply by flipping a coin. I'm thinking the killer is BSmith... or edse.

or Lewwyn. :)

BSmith
03-15-2012, 13:57
If you all had kept your votes on me, then we would certainly be in trouble, as I am not the killer. We also don’t know yet if White_Eyes was the killer or not. Only morning will tell so there is no need for second guessing the lynch yet.

Lewwyn
03-15-2012, 16:27
I was hoping night would end before I went off to bed, but I guess it'll have to wait till morning.

seireikhaan
03-16-2012, 02:01
Writeup in progress.

seireikhaan
03-16-2012, 06:33
“This is madness!” he whispered to himself as he finished collecting the few possessions he had brought. No more. “Everyone’s gone mad. Being led to slaughter by a crazed lunatic we are.” He tiptoed around the corner of his quarters and stalked towards the sacrificial chamber. When he entered, there was a lit brazier set in the middle of the hall leading out of the pyramid. A lone man was sitting next to it, legs crossed. The lone source of flame lit half his face, leaving the rest dark.

“Going somewhere, Lazy McCrow?” Lazy stopped in his tracks. “You cannot leave now. The hour of reckoning is at hand. The time for glory is now. It would be a stain on his honor for you to not be here for it. Now….” The man said, withdrawing a knife from his belt. “You’re showing yourself to be... unreliable. But no worries. I think I can persuade you to stay. Or, at least, I can arrange a meeting for you.” He stood up from his position. Lazy stood frozen to the spot in fear. The man sauntered up, stopping just inches in front of Lazy. A wild grin was on his face. “Do you fear death, McCrow?” Lazy gulped, then shook his head furiously. “I think you do. I think you’re lying. But who knows, maybe I’m wrong. Let’s find out.” The man rammed the knife into Lazy McCrow’s gut, then into his neck with an overhand strike. As Lazy Mccrow laid on the stone, gurgling out his last moments, the man sauntered back to the servants quarters, leaving his quarry to bleed out.




When I arrived back, it was a somber, sorry sight. Myself, the Emperor, two warriors, and a single scout. The scout's report of continued drought was predictable, at this point. The Emperor and I sat side by side, as the group arranged themselves into a tight circle. A week ago, I would've been awed and honored. Now, it was more a mixture of regret and fear, tinged with disappointment. "Well," the Emperor started it. "This is it. One last try. We offer our last, best man. Then, we leave. For better or for worse. I've led enough of you to slaughter. If the city collapses, if our empire is destroyed, that decision and its consequences shall rest with me. Now, one last try..."



IT IS NOW DAY 7. YOU HAVE 36 HOURS.



Alive:

Bsmith
Edse
Lewwyn


Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)
Montmorency (D5)
White Eyes (D6)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)
Daveshack (N5)
Lazy McCrow (N6)

Wrath of Khaan:

Zaccino
Landlubber
Fluffy

Montmorency
03-16-2012, 06:46
Yep. Kills Crow, who's certainly shown far more willingness to vote him than Lewwyn.

Keeps Edse as the fall guy.

:thinking:

I will not permit it, Mict.

Vote: Bsmith

Montmorency
03-16-2012, 07:02
Oh.

Unvote; Vote: BSmith

edse
03-16-2012, 07:45
If there actually is a pure sacrifice in this game and you know it could you please tell us who you are. I feel that we both benefit if we lynch the mafia.

As Montmorency says, BSmith is most likely to be scum if you look at who got killed.

Montmorency
03-16-2012, 07:49
Who are you talking to?

There's only one townie besides you, and I doubt he's exceptional in any way.

edse
03-16-2012, 07:56
Who are you talking to?

There's only one townie besides you, and I doubt he's exceptional in any way.

I'm talking to them. I just mean that the pure sacrifice doesn't have to be afraid to step forward.

Visor
03-16-2012, 08:01
It's lewwyn!

Montmorency
03-16-2012, 08:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU

edse
03-16-2012, 08:16
It would surely have been Lewwyn if I (or BSmith if he's innocent) would have been killed.

Lewwyn
03-16-2012, 09:22
If I'm the pure sacrifice, I don't know it. I never received a PM giving me any role. It's probably a red herring at this point.

Yesterday, I was willing to take BSmith down, but it's freaking a lot harder when you know this is the lynch that seals it. Between edse and BSmith, neither one has really engendered a lot of villager vibes in me.

Vote: BSmith

I hate voting with mafia, even if they are dead. But Monty makes a few points. Monty is there something else that makes you so sure?

edse
03-16-2012, 09:28
Vote: BSmith

You can't be mafia if you openly decline to be the pure sacrifice. Seems like the mafia are just unpure souls that need no be killed for the rain to return.

Montmorency
03-16-2012, 09:30
I'm not Mafia:I'm lawful-transcendant.

BSmith exhibits, for instance, the same sorts of tells that got Chaotix wagoned and alerted the other Gods to my identity.

To say nothing of his hollow and one-note denials...

LazyMcCrow
03-16-2012, 10:52
I'm kind of glad I don't have to make the choice. Could be any one of ya.

BSmith
03-16-2012, 14:54
This is all unbelievably predictable. I was already coming around to the fact that the last killer was either Lewwyn or Lazy, and that the results of the night would tell me who it really was. Let’s face it, neither Edse or I would have been killed last night, as we have both garnered a lot of attention in the thread and it would be dumb to kill one of us.

Lewwyn – you have played remarkably well this game, so if you are successful in lynching me today, hats off to you. You really do deserve the win.

But I am going to make one last stand here.

First off – what exactly is the case against me? The fact that I am still alive and am a capable mafia player that could have pulled this off to the last day? Or is it something more concrete? So far every accusation against me has been an unsubstantiated case with nothing solid.

Here are some recent examples of what I mean:


BSmith exhibits, for instance, the same sorts of tells that got Chaotix wagoned and alerted the other Gods to my identity.

To say nothing of his hollow and one-note denials...

What tells exactly? Lazy votes? This is an empty accusation that sounds good on the face of it, but really is a bunch of hogwash. And how exactly am I supposed to deny these accusations in a way that you wouldn’t consider hollow or one-note. It’s not like I have a role PM to share with you all or a way to independently confirm my innocence.


Between edse and BSmith, neither one has really engendered a lot of villager vibes in me.

Why? This is also an empty accusation. One that sounds good, but is nothing more than a feeling at best. Nothing to back it up. Think about this for a minute, only one of the three us is the killer, yet both edse and I don’t “engender villager vibes”. Not only is this a baseless accusation, but it is meant to spread the wealth as far as possible. How do we not seem like villagers. Examples would be helpful here.

I challenge anyone still paying attention to this game to build a solid case against me.

Speaking of solid cases. Here is one for you. Subject: Lewwyn.

He has played a great game and has not really been the subject of much scrutiny most of the game. He came close to being lynched early on, but was pretty masterful in getting out of it. He didn’t crack under the pressure. Hell, even I have been fooled by his towniness until recently. But there are some convincing things that do stand out:

1.) The DaveShack kill. Despite the general unease many expressed about talking at night, this may have been the best thing to do, as a lot of discussion about the remaining players was had, with specific attention to DaveShack and Edse. DaveShack was top of my list and was certain to get some play vote-wise the next day. But he got killed. Not a very smart move for a killer as he would rather off someone who isn’t likely to be lynch bait.

But this is the kind of “mistake” that someone who wasn’t online to see the discussion could have made. He would have sent in his orders early in the night, and then woken up to see that his choice in kill was actually a blunder.

The next day I thought of this, and checked to see who had been online last in hopes of finding one of the players had not been online for a while and could have made this “mistake”. Well most of you have the last activity function turned off on your profiles, so this didn’t lead to much, but we do have one post that gives us an answer:


That was a pretty awesome post. Honestly though, I'm not convinced yet. I think the crux here is that post 126. Is that confirming a connection to Yaropolk? I went back and looked, it comes after the kills so yeah I can see where you're coming from. Why would you even bring it up if you're not concerned with his death? On the other hand, I think there's a stronger case that a mafia player would ignore it and try to distance himself from the kill, not lament it. I think you're looking at it wrong.

I've been going back through a bit and I've been focusing on those that are here but are contributing very little, mostly White_Eyes and BSmith. This is not to say that one of them is definitely the killer, but I think what we should put pressure on them today to see if they are paying attention enough to defend themselves.

As for edse I've been on his case a lot this game, but for the last couple days we've had pretty much confirmed mafia to lynch. edse I'm still watching but I've seen more guilt elsewhere for now... It's late in my TimeZone. I will try to arrange some evidence to explain my concerns about White_Eyes and BSmith.

Shortly after this post is when DaveShack defends himself and Lazy buys it. It is completely plausible that Lewwyn saw this retraction and decided that DaveShack was a good choice for the kill, then logged off and went to bed, missing the later discussions on DaveShack that raised his suspicion yet again. Lewwyn even points out the next day how it must have been someone that missed the later discussion in the night. Someone just like him.

I also like how he compares me to White_Eyes in this post as someone who has contributed very little, even though I have many more posts that W_E at this time (I had a similar count to Lewwyn in fact) and most of them have been serious posts that contribute to the thread. This is his way of continuing to build a case against me so that I would be the eventual lynch target instead of him at a later time.

2.) Similar to this last point, is Lewwyn’s attention on edse. He has been consistently suspicious of edse most of the game, but one post sticks out to me on this:


Damn that's a write up. So Jarema and Ishmael are dead and Chaotix is banished to hell?

I'm of the opinion that we have some real lurkers here. I mean throughout the last few days we've had so few posts, lots of people not voting or giving more than one post a day. People that aren't sticking their neck out and are hiding. Someone in that group is likely to be a killer. Of course I also still suspect edse who somehow is able to silently deflect suspicion without raising a fuss every time there's a vote on him.

Vote: edse

For now.

That “silent deflection” was almost always people, Lewwyn included, that were voting for edse moving on to other more suspicious targets. Yet in the context of Lewwyn the Killer this does make sense to post as Lewwyn is working to keep the suspicion level high on edse to keep attention away from Lewwyn himself and to provide a scape goat target to keep alive to the end.

3.) Lewwyn’s repeated attempts to remind us that he didn’t get a role PM. It is public knowledge that the town didn’t get a role PM, so him telling us this means nothing. Yet he has mentioned it several times in the game. It’s almost like he is trying to sound townie and identify with those of us that really didn’t get a role PM.

4.) Lazy’s Killing. What better position to be in as the last scumbag then to have two alternative targets that are much “better” than you? As I mentioned earlier in the post, both edse and I have gotten a lot of attention over the past few days. Either one of us could be the lynch target with a little work. Hell, it is working right now with both of you voting for me.

Edse and I have both been cultivated for this moment. You don’t kill off your carefully cultivated lynch bait when you are in the end game. You kill off the unknown vote – the one who isn’t going to get any attention against them. If edse or I had been killed, then it would have been an open game (especially if edse had been killed). Totally unpredictable – which is exactly what you don’t want if you can do anything about it.

Lewwyn killed Lazy to eliminate this unpredictability and to leave his two carefully cultivated lynch bait targets alive, so that no matter how the day went he would have a good chance at lynching one of us instead of him getting lynched. A masterful play, but perhaps too much so. It is all too perfect.

It is really quite clear to me now that the last killer is Lewwyn. The only thing that remains is to vote: Lewwyn.

-----

edse It’s all down to you now. Do you want to win this game? If so, then switch your vote to Lewwyn. The game is in your hands.

LazyMcCrow
03-16-2012, 15:41
{haunting}Excellent post. If Lewwyn is the scum then hats off to him..whoooooo-hoooooooo{/haunting}

Chaotix
03-16-2012, 17:43
Excellent job.

No one can say you didn't go down fighting, scum.


Scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum

Scum scum.

Yaropolk
03-16-2012, 17:54
Vote: BSmith




Vote: BSmith





vote: Lewwyn.


No No No, you're all wrong!

vote: edse

Did I mention my vote counts triple?

Lewwyn
03-16-2012, 20:05
Was out at karaoke, just got back but I'm only slightly buzzed so I should be able answer this post.


This is all unbelievably predictable. I was already coming around to the fact that the last killer was either Lewwyn or Lazy, and that the results of the night would tell me who it really was. Let’s face it, neither Edse or I would have been killed last night, as we have both garnered a lot of attention in the thread and it would be dumb to kill one of us.

Unless its you of course.


First off – what exactly is the case against me? The fact that I am still alive and am a capable mafia player that could have pulled this off to the last day? Or is it something more concrete? So far every accusation against me has been an unsubstantiated case with nothing solid.

Here are some recent examples of what I mean:

What tells exactly? Lazy votes? This is an empty accusation that sounds good on the face of it, but really is a bunch of hogwash. And how exactly am I supposed to deny these accusations in a way that you wouldn’t consider hollow or one-note. It’s not like I have a role PM to share with you all or a way to independently confirm my innocence.

Why? This is also an empty accusation. One that sounds good, but is nothing more than a feeling at best. Nothing to back it up. Think about this for a minute, only one of the three us is the killer, yet both edse and I don’t “engender villager vibes”. Not only is this a baseless accusation, but it is meant to spread the wealth as far as possible. How do we not seem like villagers. Examples would be helpful here.

I challenge anyone still paying attention to this game to build a solid case against me.

I admit this is one of those cases where it's really hard to point to something exact and say he's the killer. But the reason I'm voting for you above all the rest of the reasons is pretty simple. I actually think edse is innocent. Move forward to that quote of me voting for edse. That's actually the last time I voted for him. After that post, edse msged me and asked me if I thought Lazy McCrow was guilty and whether I would be interested in voting for him instead. I responded somewhere in the middle, because I still suspected him. Thing was I felt like edse was innocent after that msg. Maybe I'm crazy but it really felt villagery. And after that I never voted for him again. So while I still found some of edse's posts terrible scummy, I mean some of his accusations have been really short and not very informative, I kept thinking about that msg. Basically the only reason I'm not voting edse is because of it.

Oh and actually there is one other reason that I believe edse is innocent. Yesterday he switched off of White_eyes onto you, BSmith. When he did that the vote was tied at 2 on you and himself, but since the vote on edse hadn't changed while the vote on you went from 1 to 2 that put edse as the vote that reached 2 first and therefore if day ended the one to be lynched. Why would edse switch his vote in a manner that put him at risk? That's actually one of the reasons I switched off of WHite_eyes at that time. I was sure that Lazy and edse were innocent. I thought that either you or White_eyes were the last killer. So I switched onto you to protect him even though of the two f you I suspected White_Eyes most. Something you eventually took advantage of by bargaining us all to move to White_eyes.

So let me address your case against me.


Speaking of solid cases. Here is one for you. Subject: Lewwyn.

1.) The DaveShack kill. Despite the general unease many expressed about talking at night, this may have been the best thing to do, as a lot of discussion about the remaining players was had, with specific attention to DaveShack and Edse. DaveShack was top of my list and was certain to get some play vote-wise the next day. But he got killed. Not a very smart move for a killer as he would rather off someone who isn’t likely to be lynch bait.

But this is the kind of “mistake” that someone who wasn’t online to see the discussion could have made. He would have sent in his orders early in the night, and then woken up to see that his choice in kill was actually a blunder.

The next day I thought of this, and checked to see who had been online last in hopes of finding one of the players had not been online for a while and could have made this “mistake”. Well most of you have the last activity function turned off on your profiles, so this didn’t lead to much, but we do have one post that gives us an answer:



Shortly after this post is when DaveShack defends himself and Lazy buys it. It is completely plausible that Lewwyn saw this retraction and decided that DaveShack was a good choice for the kill, then logged off and went to bed, missing the later discussions on DaveShack that raised his suspicion yet again. Lewwyn even points out the next day how it must have been someone that missed the later discussion in the night. Someone just like him.

I also like how he compares me to White_Eyes in this post as someone who has contributed very little, even though I have many more posts that W_E at this time (I had a similar count to Lewwyn in fact) and most of them have been serious posts that contribute to the thread. This is his way of continuing to build a case against me so that I would be the eventual lynch target instead of him at a later time.

2.) Similar to this last point, is Lewwyn’s attention on edse. He has been consistently suspicious of edse most of the game, but one post sticks out to me on this:

That “silent deflection” was almost always people, Lewwyn included, that were voting for edse moving on to other more suspicious targets. Yet in the context of Lewwyn the Killer this does make sense to post as Lewwyn is working to keep the suspicion level high on edse to keep attention away from Lewwyn himself and to provide a scape goat target to keep alive to the end.

3.) Lewwyn’s repeated attempts to remind us that he didn’t get a role PM. It is public knowledge that the town didn’t get a role PM, so him telling us this means nothing. Yet he has mentioned it several times in the game. It’s almost like he is trying to sound townie and identify with those of us that really didn’t get a role PM.

4.) Lazy’s Killing. What better position to be in as the last scumbag then to have two alternative targets that are much “better” than you? As I mentioned earlier in the post, both edse and I have gotten a lot of attention over the past few days. Either one of us could be the lynch target with a little work. Hell, it is working right now with both of you voting for me.

1) Just to clarify my TZ is +8 GMT. I'm in China. If you want to go back and check the times, you're right I did miss the last part of the discussion. In fact I don't even remember at this point which posts I saw when I went to bed. So yeah. I don't even remember. I can't really argue against this because I don't really think there's an argument here.

2) I guess I've already addressed this, but after that post you quoted I've never voted for edse because I felt he was innocent based on the things I mentioned above. And again he sent me that msg after the post you are highlighting. So at the time of the post I was still really suspicious of him.

3) I don't remember saying it so many times. I DO remember saying it today. Mostly because I was specifically claiming that I was the pure one. I mean how else do you claim your role?

4) Actually if you had been killed instead of Lazy I would be voting for Lazy because as I said I think edse is innocent.


Edse and I have both been cultivated for this moment. You don’t kill off your carefully cultivated lynch bait when you are in the end game. You kill off the unknown vote – the one who isn’t going to get any attention against them. If edse or I had been killed, then it would have been an open game (especially if edse had been killed). Totally unpredictable – which is exactly what you don’t want if you can do anything about it.

Lewwyn killed Lazy to eliminate this unpredictability and to leave his two carefully cultivated lynch bait targets alive, so that no matter how the day went he would have a good chance at lynching one of us instead of him getting lynched. A masterful play, but perhaps too much so. It is all too perfect.

I mean wow. As far as last stands go this is pretty awesome. I mean I cultivated you? The only problem with your whole argument is that I already believe edse is innocent. Something I've been pretty careful to avoid mentioning because I wanted whoever was the killer to think I still suspected him. I mean unless edse actually is the killer, in which case, HE"S the one that played the masterful game. But I'm feeling really confident in my vote on you. I was really hoping that if White_eyes wasn't the killer that I would survive the night for just this reason. So yes as you say you kill off the unknown vote. You couldn't know if I would vote for edse, but you knew for damn sure that Lazy would vote for you. If I were the killer I would have killed edse. Lazy was voting for you all of yesterday and he would have voted for you again today. Based on your own argument, I would have been better off killing edse.

Man, its an awesome attack, awesome last stand but in the end it was either you or White_eyes for me and I've got you in the end.

BSmith
03-16-2012, 20:43
I need to correct an inconsistency here:


Oh and actually there is one other reason that I believe edse is innocent. Yesterday he switched off of White_eyes onto you, BSmith. When he did that the vote was tied at 2 on you and himself, but since the vote on edse hadn't changed while the vote on you went from 1 to 2 that put edse as the vote that reached 2 first and therefore if day ended the one to be lynched. Why would edse switch his vote in a manner that put him at risk? That's actually one of the reasons I switched off of WHite_eyes at that time. I was sure that Lazy and edse were innocent. I thought that either you or White_eyes were the last killer. So I switched onto you to protect him even though of the two f you I suspected White_Eyes most. Something you eventually took advantage of by bargaining us all to move to White_eyes.

Edse switched off of me to White_Eyes only after I came off of him. The count was 3-2 against me when Edse posted this:


If you change your vote to White_eyes I can do so as well. I don't want to risk my own life however so one more vote would be needed.

I switched off of Edse to White_Eyes making it 3 for me, 1 for edse and 1 for White Eyes. You and Edse then followed making it 3 for White Eyes and 1 for me in the end.

Edse was never in danger with his vote switch, and in fact voted for White Eyes only after both you and me voted for him. I never bargained you all to move to White Eyes. I responded to edse’s offer and you both followed.


2) I guess I've already addressed this, but after that post you quoted I've never voted for edse because I felt he was innocent based on the things I mentioned above. And again he sent me that msg after the post you are highlighting. So at the time of the post I was still really suspicious of him.


If you thought that edse was innocent, then why the statement about neither one of us “engendering a lot of villager vibes”? That statement was today, and not earlier when it would make sense to hedge your bets in letting on that you thought he was innocent.


3) I don't remember saying it so many times. I DO remember saying it today. Mostly because I was specifically claiming that I was the pure one. I mean how else do you claim your role?

You claimed it twice in this game. Post #87 and the one today. And here is another inconsistency. In this quote you are saying that you ARE the pure one. Earlier today you said you are not:


If I'm the pure sacrifice, I don't know it. I never received a PM giving me any role. It's probably a red herring at this point.

Which one is it?


I mean wow. As far as last stands go this is pretty awesome. I mean I cultivated you? The only problem with your whole argument is that I already believe edse is innocent. Something I've been pretty careful to avoid mentioning because I wanted whoever was the killer to think I still suspected him. I mean unless edse actually is the killer, in which case, HE"S the one that played the masterful game. But I'm feeling really confident in my vote on you. I was really hoping that if White_eyes wasn't the killer that I would survive the night for just this reason. So yes as you say you kill off the unknown vote. You couldn't know if I would vote for edse, but you knew for damn sure that Lazy would vote for you. If I were the killer I would have killed edse. Lazy was voting for you all of yesterday and he would have voted for you again today. Based on your own argument, I would have been better off killing edse.

Two things: Killing Lazy would be such an obvious tell that I wouldn’t do it. Second, it is such an obvious tell that it would be a good kill for someone else to make so they could frame me. It wouldn’t be too hard as I was already a suspect (and seems to be working today as well).


Man, its an awesome attack, awesome last stand but in the end it was either you or White_eyes for me and I've got you in the end.

You may well have me, but if I am wrong here and you are indeed the other innocent one, then you will be sorely disappointed with the loss when edse kills you tonight and wins this game.

One of you two is the last killer. Both of you have played well, and either one of you deserve to win this game. But mark my words. I am one of the innocent ones here.

BSmith
03-16-2012, 20:45
I would like to hear what some of the dead (and presumably innocent) players have to say on all of this. Your win or loss is tied up in this decision as well...

Lewwyn
03-16-2012, 21:07
I need to correct an inconsistency here:

Edse switched off of me to White_Eyes only after I came off of him. The count was 3-2 against me when Edse posted this:

I switched off of Edse to White_Eyes making it 3 for me, 1 for edse and 1 for White Eyes. You and Edse then followed making it 3 for White Eyes and 1 for me in the end.

Edse was never in danger with his vote switch, and in fact voted for White Eyes only after both you and me voted for him. I never bargained you all to move to White Eyes. I responded to edse’s offer and you both followed.

You're looking at the wrong vote switch. I'm talking about when edse and I were on White_eyes. You and White_eyes were on edse. Then Lazy voted you. edse then switched to you. When he did he put White_eyes at 1 while the votes on him were still at 2. In that case the vote for you came after the vote of 2 on edse so the tiebreaker would have killed edse.


If you thought that edse was innocent, then why the statement about neither one of us “engendering a lot of villager vibes”? That statement was today, and not earlier when it would make sense to hedge your bets in letting on that you thought he was innocent.

True! Mostly I said it because I was still in the habit of keeping the fact I trusted him under wraps. Also, I kinda like the idea of keeping edse on his toes. :laugh4:


You claimed it twice in this game. Post #87 and the one today. And here is another inconsistency. In this quote you are saying that you ARE the pure one. Earlier today you said you are not:
Which one is it?

Ah, twice. I knew I'd said it once before. Also that 'was' was a typo. Wasn't* I have never claimed to be anything other than the villager I am. And it's pretty silly that you are trying to make something out of typo that isn't.

Anyway last post before I head off to bed. I'll be back tmr afternoon to check in, but I'm pretty sure I'm not switching my vote.

BSmith
03-16-2012, 21:16
Well if you are who you say you are, and I am most certainly who I say I am, then it means that edse is our guy...

I am not planning on moving my vote either, but think about it. I'd also like to hear from edse on this, and of course the dead players opinions would be welcome. We do have some time here to work this out.

Montmorency
03-16-2012, 21:16
Are you guys really wasting so much breath trying to convince ech other?

:laugh4:

There's only one factor of any importance here...

BSmith
03-16-2012, 21:18
I do still have a not-insignificant sliver of doubt about this. :laugh4:

Csargo
03-16-2012, 22:22
Hi!

Vote:Lewwyn

Montmorency
03-16-2012, 22:27
Hey Pretzel, I suggest, if you want to at least have the pleasure of seeing your opponents lose, you place your vote on the Champion.

White_eyes:D
03-16-2012, 23:16
I knew edse was going to have a cakewalk if he killed lazy...totally fits his MO throughout this game. Town is just going down without a fight.:shame:

Montmorency
03-17-2012, 00:46
Oy gevalt. :no:

White_eyes:D
03-17-2012, 01:34
Well...you won your victory with Chaotix and edse...I would be happier personally.:shrug:

"Pro-town roles", what a joke.:no:

Montmorency
03-17-2012, 01:56
Did you not note that there are multiple teams?

How exasperating...

White_eyes:D
03-17-2012, 02:01
Did you not note that there are multiple teams?

Did you not note that your all scum with your own agenda?

How infatuating....

Montmorency
03-17-2012, 02:05
I think you may be deeply confused.

White_eyes:D
03-17-2012, 03:12
I think your trying too hard....you won after all.:shrug:

Yaropolk
03-17-2012, 03:18
No No No, you're all wrong!

vote: edse

Did I mention my vote counts triple?

Actually even better idea! Third on the bandwagon - is that a classic scum move or what?

Unvote; Vote:Bsmith

Montmorency
03-17-2012, 03:27
Goood, gooood...

:mellow:

Visor
03-17-2012, 10:11
Regardless of whether town loses or wins, the fact that we had three WoK's was quite disgusting and terrible for the town.

edse
03-17-2012, 10:18
Hi, I'm back. Did I miss anything?

Visor
03-17-2012, 10:19
You missed a fair bit, read through the last page.

edse
03-17-2012, 10:22
I read them already and I only have 5 minutes until the timer runs out. I'm not going to change my vote. If Lewwyn wins it's because he has played awesome, if I change my vote then BSmith wins because I changed my vote. And BSmith didn't convince me with his long post.

seireikhaan
03-17-2012, 11:12
Just a reminder, round ends in just under 7 hours.

BSmith
03-17-2012, 12:53
If I win you win too edse...

Montmorency
03-17-2012, 16:18
So he's keeping it there, huh? Tits...

Montmorency
03-17-2012, 17:56
It appears I was sorely mistaken.

I take full responsibility for having been misled by my prejudices. I brought it upon all our heads.

At this point it is too late to be decisive, but it's a shot (though it should have been much more).

:shame:

Unvote; Vote: Lewwyn

seireikhaan
03-17-2012, 22:44
Round was over a bit ago, time to tally and write stuff and things.

BSmith
03-18-2012, 01:55
Town loses. Can't say I didn't warn you. :shrug:

seireikhaan
03-18-2012, 02:29
Our last meeting didn't take too long to kick off. After a period of lengthy discussion, we established a solid consensus. Our last offering to the gods was to be Bsmith, in spite of his protestations and argument that Lewwyn was the proper choice. The Emperor looked at him, almost pity in his eyes. But he had chosen our path. "Bsmith, come," he said. "You've the honor of being our last, best attempt. Please, lay down on the altar. I will make it as quick as I am able." Bsmith looked pleadingly at the rest of us. But there was nothing to change our opinions now. Or, so I thought... Bsmith laid down on the altar, his eyes closed, awaiting his fate. The Emperor raised the ceremonial dagger.

"Offer me Lewwyn!" a voice boomed through the chamber. "This pithy thing is no good. I demand Lewwyn!" The Emperor froze in his spot.

"Agreed," a smooth, mellow voice hissed. "Lewwyn is the superior offer. Why should we bother with such a sad sacrifice?"

"False!" a wheezing voice rattled. "Lewwyn is the greatest sacrifice thus far! If you abandon him, your people will be doomed to oblivion!"

The Emperor was still frozen to his spot. His hand was visibly shaking. "W-we determined that B-smith was the best sacrifice we had left!" he said to the disembodied voices. "Mortal we may be, but we our offering our greatest choice, are we not?"

"Do you doubt my judgment?" the booming voice rang out. "Do you dare to assume your wisdom surpasses mine?"

"Agreed, you may be ruler of mortal men, but you are our servant. You would be wise to remember this," the second voice hissed. "It would not reflect well on your rule that you defied multiple gods."

"Emperor," the wheezing voice responded. "Not all of us are so... demanding. I fully support the mortal judgment. Mortals deserve the chance to determine their own course, don't you agree? Mortals can only enter a golden age if they choose it!" The Emperor turned slowly on the spot. He turned his head from Bsmith on the altar to Lewwyn, who's eyes were wide with shock. He looked down at the knife in his hand. with a sigh, he looked back to the man still laying on the altar with his eyes closed. The Emperor walked back to the altar.

"Don't defy me!" the booming voice commanded.

"Your mistake shall be the undoing of your empire!" the hissing voice warned.

"I choose... I choose!" The Emperor said to himself. "I... I have the power to choose! No god or mortal man may command me so long as I walk this earth." He looked down at Bsmith. "I choose you!" he rammed the knife down. He ripped the ribs apart with swiftness not seen since Tlacalael. "Gods, this is our sacrifice, our offering. You may either take it or reject it. It is the choice we mortals have offered you."

"Bahahaha," Lewwyn cackled. With quick reflexes, he pulled the knife from his belt and slashed an unwary Edse across his throat. "An excellent choice, my Emperor. Now, I think it's time to repay the generous god who offered us mortals freedom of choice, don't you? I think this pyramid would do well to be re-established in honor of the great Mictlantecuhtli, don't you?"

"You!" the Emperor shouted at Lewwyn. "You're responsible for all this?"

"Nonsense... you are. You established this whole covenant of sacrifice. I am merely here to... ensure that the great lord of death would be properly represented when we were done. Now, about that 'suggestion'," he said, looking back and forth between the two of us. "I don't think either of you have much reason to say no." He looked down at the dagger in his hand. "Don't make me force the issue."

The Emperor's eyes burned with rage. "You fool! I'll kill you!" He rushed the assassin with the sacrificial knife in hand. He swiped at Lewwyn, scoring a gash on his arm as he tried to duck away. The Emperor pressed the advance, hacking with such speed Lewwyn couldn't do anything but stagger backwards and avoid the blows. "Scribe, help me!" the Emperor bellowed as he chased the assassin. I panicked. I was no combatant. I was not a soldier, not royalty. Still, I scanned for something I could use. I picked up the closest thing to me- Bsmith's heart. I hurled it at Lewwyn, aiming to hit his face as he ducked away from a blow. My accuracy was not what I hoped for. It fell with a plop just behind my target. However, in a stroke of luck, Bsmith's foot stepped onto the organ as he retreated further. He slipped backwards, hitting the stone floor with a thud. Without hesitation, my Emperor leaped on him, bringing down his knife into Lewwyn's chest with the fury of the sun. He ripped and sliced and tore the man apart. "I. DO. NOT. LIKE. BEING. TOYED. WITH!" I couldn't help but turn away from the gruesome sight. After a minute, a dripping sound came from behind me. "Come, scribe," the Emperor's voice commanded. "We shall return to the city. And make due with the best of what we can..."


Meanwhile, in a glimmering palace...

"Well done," a feathered serpent hissed as it coiled around a chair. "Looks like you've gone and created an atheist emperor. Idiot."

"Indeed," a man in shining, golden leather said, sitting on another side of a grand table. "You're a fool for convincing him to make his own destiny. Now who knows what'll happen."

"Bahaha. You two are just mad that I won," a skeletal man in in a shoddy, decrepid tunic. "It'll work itself out, just like it always does. If he gets too aggressive, he'll just be executed, just like all the others. Now, my chips, good sirs." With an irritated sigh, the other two pushed their respective piles of wooden chips across the table. "It was still very naughty of you to intervene like that. I think I should've won right there, but oh well. It all worked out. Oh, Quetzl, you should probably go and restore the rain for them. Don't need all of them dying now, do we?

"Of course," the serpent hissed. "You don't need to remind me how to do my job."

"So..." the skeletal man grinned. "Any wagers on who he picks as the next High Priest?"



Mictlantecuhtli victory!



Alive:

Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3) (Champion of Huitzilopochtli)
GeneralHankerchief (D4) (Champion of Quetzalcoatl)
Montmorency (D5) (Huitzilopochtli)
White Eyes (D6)
Bsmith (D7)


Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2) (Mictlantecuhtli)
Csargo (N2) (Quetzalcoatl)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)
Visorslash (N4)
Daveshack (N5)
Lazy McCrow (N6)
Edse (D7)
Lewwyn (D7) (Mictlantecuhtli Champion)

Wrath of Khaan:

Zaccino
Landlubber
Fluffy


More to come later when basketball tourney isn't on.

Montmorency
03-18-2012, 02:39
Man, my coin flips go against me way too often.

My glorious precision with regard to Yaropolk and GeneralHankerchief is nullified by my self-defeating fixation on BSmith.

Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/pMksENEucT9).

Good game, Khan! I really enjoyed this twist. I love it when I get neutral-ish roles. Too bad so many townies refused to consider the possibility of their limited relevance.

Congrats to Lewwyn for slipping under my radar until the end. If only we could have cooperated earlier on stopping him, Quetzl.

Visor
03-18-2012, 02:52
I GODDAMN TOLD YOU ALL. I DON'T SUCK AS BADLY AS YOU THINK. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! WHY DOES NO-ONE LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: This is depressing. Anyway, great game Khaan, especially liked my death writeup as I am studying to be an engineer at the moment. SO I thought it quite fitting.

Well done lewwyn, you had the town fooled. But I knew it was you. :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy:

Montmorency
03-18-2012, 02:55
Clarification: God votes counted today.

@ Visor

Blame edse. :clown:

Visor
03-18-2012, 03:03
Well done BSmith for catching on as well.

Oh and I'm disappointed in you killing me Lewwyn. :tongue:

And as I said earlier. The WoK's were disgusting. I think we would've had the game in the bag easily if it wasn't for them.

BSmith
03-18-2012, 03:06
I’m just annoyed that my bulletproof case lost out to nothing more than “even though I don’t have a shred of evidence I know he is scum!”

Someday people will listen to me!!! :wall:

Montmorency
03-18-2012, 03:09
I don't know - without the WoGs, we would have had one extra lynch. Could we really have avoided a critical mistake in that?

Technically I forsook that line of thought, and you lost to Random.org. :shrug:

Visor
03-18-2012, 03:10
I don't know - without the WoGs, we would have had one extra lynch. Could we really have avoided a critical mistake in that?

Technically I forsook that line of thought, and you lost to Random.org. :shrug:

Well I like to think so. Still you can't argue the fact that it helped immensely for Lewwyn.