The House of Origin [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

It's simple arithmetic, GH. There were 5 vigging, and two who weren't. At least tell us that Pizza wasn't in on it.

[Choxorn]

Auto PM'ed me, Double A, Jarrema, and Visorslash, asking us to attack General Hankerchief. The rest of them can confirm that.

Looking at the update, it seems there were 9 people active last night, exactly equal to the number of living players. 3 we can be completely sure about, 6 we can't:

2 people attacked me
3 people attacked GH
2 people (Autolycus and LazyMcCrow) attacked ATPG
1 person (ATPG) attacked Autolycus
1 person attacked Ishmael

Of the ones we don't know, I'd say there's a near certainty Ishmael was one of my attackers- he wasn't in on the GH hit, and he certainly didn't attack himself. GH also probably attacked me. If I'm wrong about this, and someone else attacked me, please say so so that we can solve the game more easily.

Assuming I'm right that GH and Ishmael attacked me, that means the Red Guy is one of the group who was supposed to vig GH. I know that I sent in orders to vig GH, and Double A and Jarrema seem innocent by Monty and Autolycus's logic.

Vote: Visorslash

[Jarema]

both Visor and Choxorn claimed that they joined us.Jarema, Visor, Choxorn, Double A. Of course, someone didnt join the attack probably

[Jarema]

I think it is either Choxorn or Visor


I must go sleep now and I have really hard day tommorow (I always work heavy at weekends, with external students).
For now, I vote: Visorslash. I'll try to think harder tommorow

[Chaotix]

GH is innocent, and so is Choxorn.

Gotta trust me on this.

GH can tell you why.

I don't know about anyone else. This has gotta be the last phase here. Don't screw it up, people.

[Montmorency]

Actually, penultimate. Assuming two kills tonight, there should be three left tomorrow.

I know of what you speak, but thought you had died too early for...

[GeneralHankerchief]

The people who were supposed to be in on the Choxorn hit group were myself, Ishmael, ATPG, Double A, and Visor. Only two of us showed up, and I was one of them.

People who participated in the hit on me, did all of you CC orders to each other?

Right now it's looking like I'm going to be in the direct path of a pretty nasty hurricane, so I may be without power starting Sunday-Monday. I'll try to get on when I can but no promises.

Right now I trust Chaotix (he was my initial partner and was a watcher), so I'll follow his advice on this one.

Unvote: Choxorn
Vote: Visorslash

[Montmorency]

Out of curiosity, will Double A be wogged if he doesn't vote today? It would be 3-in-a-row.

[seireikhaan]

No, I will not be wog'ing at this point in the game.

[Choxorn]

People who participated in the hit on me, did all of you CC orders to each other?

Yes- although Jarrema only CC'ed us to say "Yeah, we should do this" and didn't CC us his actual order PM.

Which actually makes him seem innocent, since I doubt a mafia would make that kind of mistake at this point.

[Visor]

2 people showed up to kill Choxorn, GH, Ishmael
3 people showed up to kill GH, Jarrema, Choxorn, AA
Lazy and Auto killed Pizza
I blacked out apparently. Someone here must be able to roleblock. That's why the vig on GH wasn't sucessful.
Thing is, that accounts for every person, from memory. Which means that the scum must be able to hide in groups and do their action, because everyone is accounted for.

Ftr, I have no recollection of my earlier post, though I'm glad it was typed properly. Auto and I discussed orders last night, and GH wanting to kill Choxorn would eliminate the last known partnership besides Lazy and Auto, making it hard on the town. Once Choxorn or myself die, none of us townies can perform night actions, apart from Lazy and Auto. I can post the Pms if necessary. (unless there is a no quoting rule).

If anyone else has had a similar result with blacking out, please post in thread.

[Visor]

GH, hope everything goes okay with you and the hurricane, by the way.

[Montmorency]

Thing is, that accounts for every person, from memory. Which means that the scum must be able to hide in groups and do their action

Nonsense, there's no way Khaan's going to have a role that can kill twice in one night. That's not overpowered for a carefully refined game of this sort.

Though if it were, Double A would clearly be the killer.

[Visor]

Nonsense, there's no way Khaan's going to have a role that can kill twice in one night. That's not overpowered for a carefully refined game of this sort.

Though if it were, Double A would clearly be the killer.

Please tell me how it works then? The numbers add up, and I was only absent because I blacked out.

Unvote; Vote: Double A

[Montmorency]

That wasn't an endoresement of a Double A lynch, though you may certainly wish to vig him for his many inconsistencies and the fact that the host refuses to WoG him.

Don't forget, Crow: one vig + 1 lynch is beneficial, as it narrows down the list from 4 to 3 on the final day.

[Jarema]

Please tell me how it works then? The numbers add up, and I was only absent because I blacked out.


The simplest answer IMO is that you were not blocked, but you are just scum. Everyone is accounted for, except you

[Visor]

The simplest answer IMO is that you were not blocked, but you are just scum. Everyone is accounted for, except you

I sent in orders on the GH vig. I even cc'ed all of you. Except I wasn't able to take part in the vig, because I blacked out for some reason.

[White_eyes:D]

I sent in orders on the GH vig. I even cc'ed all of you. Except I wasn't able to take part in the vig, because I blacked out for some reason.

Why am I getting "Psycho Mafia" vibes from this??:laugh4:

Either Visorslash is the killer and he doesn't know it, or he is lying. Visorslash must ask the question of what you were doing while blacked out....I doubt you were lying somewhere unconscious.:book:

[Visor]

Why am I getting "Psycho Mafia" vibes from this??:laugh4:

Either Visorslash is the killer and he doesn't know it, or he is lying. Visorslash must ask the question of what you were doing while blacked out....I doubt you were lying somewhere unconscious.:book:

And I can't possibly be telling the truth, can I? I'm telling you I blacked out.

[White_eyes:D]

Then you are the killer and don't know it. Everyone is accounted for and the kill write-up of the SK/Cultist sounds kind of hazy/dream-like. It's the perfect weapon for Scum to use because not even the player who blacked out knows what happened, and can act perfectly normal.:shrug:

Edit: Wouldn't save you from a lynch near the end though.:clown:

[Montmorency]

A question: why would Visor suddenly develop ADD? Why would he cooperate to hide on the last night, but not on this one? And if he's an unwitting killer, then why did he never black out before, nor fail to participate in actions?

Something doesn't add up.

Note that this is the same killer that showed up on N2 and N3, and N4.


I rummaged through my belongings once more after the group adjourned. Finally. Such long meetings, so boring. They just did the same thing over and over again, cowering in fear as they picked out the one they feared most of all. I can cure this! Such joy they were missing out on! I threw my bear pelt over my shoulders, reveling for a moment in the embrace. I took off at a spring, in glee at the feeling of absolute freedom.

End it.

I reeled, pulling up to a stop. What? Who?

End it now.

I looked around, spinning on the spot. There was nobody here! But voices, still they came!

It is hopeless. End it now.

The voices, they echoed like a chorus, smooth, but deep. Suddenly, I could feel it again. The despair… the knowledge of the unmovable object of destiny sitting obstinately in my path, blocking my way. I could never budge it. I slowly sat down, putting my head into my knees.

End it. Embrace oblivion.

I could hear a buzzing again. Oh no… the bees. Again? They were back to torment me again? Stop it… stop it…

You can stop it.

Wait. No. Suddenly, it was as though a fog lifted. The pit in my stomach vanished as the swarm descended upon me. I had defeated this! I did not fear! There was nothing to fear, not death, not bees, not bears!

NO! END IT!

I grinned maniacally. No. No, I would not end it. There was no fear. There was no pain. Others had to be shown the path. As though sensing my renewed confidence, the swarm dispersed. I took off at a sprint. I do not know what foul force wished me despair, but I was a triumphant prophet! I would never be brought down! I wheeled around a corner, still reveling in my liberation. I saw Ishmael coming down to me at a slow pace. His eyes went wide, in apparent shock at my appearance. I sprinted to him, and before he could respond, I smashed his jaw with my fist. My momentum carried me past, forcing me to wheel around, spinning on a heel. Ishmael seemed to shake off his shock, and withdrew a sword to me and readied a combat stance. Haha! A good man! He raised his sword high and rushed to me. I had done my job! To overcome a sight as fearsome as myself, surely he deserved to live for now and spread the word! Cackling at the top of my lungs, I took off down the hallway, knowing he would never catch me.

Ishmael didn't die. I blocked Buddhafish that night, as previously mentioned. However, this same killer went on to get Ishmael last night. On one hand, how did Ishmael survive the first time? He was and is clearly town. Buddhafish must have been the "colored-text" killer. Note even that the color of the text changed on this night only.

For Visor to be scum, there must be a delayed mechanism at work, a transfer mechanism. Whatever's going on here, it's sure to be convoluted.

I have one question for GH: You claimed an impairment that reduces significantly the likelihood of showing up to group-actions. On the two days for which you have been observed, and the one you mentioned to me (the details are known only to GH and other deads), you've shown up successfully 3 of 3 times. Can you explain this?

[Visor]

Stop trying to twist everything so that I look scum, because that is what you are doing. This isn't Psycho Mafia, and someone in the group roleblocked me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is seriously weird when folks reference a game of mine that is many years old and wasn't even that good.

[White_eyes:D]

:inquisitive:
It is seriously weird when folks reference a game of mine that is many years old and wasn't even that good. Maybe not to you but it was hilarious when the detective realized he was the Killer and revealed with his theory.:laugh4:

Good times there...I like to be surprised with a pretty insidious set-up that messes with the scum as much as the town. Might explain why I enjoyed this game despite being killed off.:book:

You and Monty rushed to the defense of Visorslash pretty quickly though....are you guys in a cult?:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who, me?

I didn't rush to anyone's defense. You must have me confused with someone who is paying attention/cares. Visorslash is basically saying what's happening to him is the same stuff that happened to me.

I was town throughout the whole game. The affliction put me under the command of Monty, who you guys were correct in killing. As for myself, not so much, but really, you at least ended what had become a rather annoying and pointless ordeal. I wasn't going to be any use analyzing this game because I got to that point where I couldn't make heads or tails of it anyway.

Visor may be town and useless/dangerous, but he could still be town. Or, he could be faking it.

In either case he's not much use to you alive or dead. But if he's not scum, you make no progress lynching him. Best be sure.

[White_eyes:D]

Psycho Mafia is the only mafia game I ever played where that kind of thing happened....that's why I referenced it, feel kinda horrible about it now.:brood:

Everyone else was seen doing something and Visorslash was the only one who wasn't and "black out" as he said. Do you think someone is pulling Puppetmaster and can do actions on the side?

[TinCow]

The simplest answer IMO is that you were not blocked, but you are just scum. Everyone is accounted for, except you

QFT

Lynch Visor. He's the only person not accounted for in the write-up, and there's no one able to verify his claimed alibi.

[Visor]

QFT

Lynch Visor. He's the only person not accounted for in the write-up, and there's no one able to verify his claimed alibi.
Why would I admit to not being in the write up, as scum? Do you think me stupid or something? Especially in a group of 4 as well, where the absent person would be easy to identify.

You're wasting time lynching me, there is a person out there who can masquerade in groups and kill and/or roleblock. Possibly a third party.

[TinCow]

Why has your mysterious role blocker never acted before last night? All previous blocks were due to Monty and Monty is dead. This seems like a very unlikely stage of the game for scum to start role blocking instead of killing. Also, if your mysterious new blocker was blocking you AND in another night action, then who did the solo kill last night? Why are you not concerned about that person?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Monty: I always show up, I'm just usually ineffective. For example, if I was in a vig group of four and I didn't get a lucky roll, the target would probably be able to overpower me and escape or something.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will note that this game already has one example of a scumbag who did not have to personally attend the destruction of townies, by brainwashing someone else to do their dirty work.


So all this nonsense about "alibis" is more nonsense than usual. Here, it really DOES prove nothing.

[Montmorency]

I will note that this game already has one example of a scumbag who did not have to personally attend the destruction of townies, by brainwashing someone else to do their dirty work.


I was not scum. I was a survivalist 3rd-party and the host kept some key details secret. The mistakes I made were perfectly legitimate.

By the way, I've found the solution the Visor problem. Visor, can you describe the terms of your blackout in more detail? I feel like it might have something to do with the lynch writeup.

[seireikhaan]

2 1/2 hours left, folks.

[autolycus]

Monty, how many times do I have to tell you: the person who attacked Ishmael that night was atpg. The bee reference and the fear obsession confirm it. However, the colored writing might still be connected to a scum who controls others that normally manifests via red text. If that's the case, then visorslash and lazy are innocent, and somebody else isn't. I recommend lynching choxorn.

A question: why would Visor suddenly develop ADD? Why would he cooperate to hide on the last night, but not on this one? And if he's an unwitting killer, then why did he never black out before, nor fail to participate in actions?

Something doesn't add up.

Note that this is the same killer that showed up on N2 and N3, and N4.



Ishmael didn't die. I blocked Buddhafish that night, as previously mentioned. However, this same killer went on to get Ishmael last night. On one hand, how did Ishmael survive the first time? He was and is clearly town. Buddhafish must have been the "colored-text" killer. Note even that the color of the text changed on this night only.

For Visor to be scum, there must be a delayed mechanism at work, a transfer mechanism. Whatever's going on here, it's sure to be convoluted.

I have one question for GH: You claimed an impairment that reduces significantly the likelihood of showing up to group-actions. On the two days for which you have been observed, and the one you mentioned to me (the details are known only to GH and other deads), you've shown up successfully 3 of 3 times. Can you explain this?

[Montmorency]

:laugh4: I did it again? Man, I really saw what I wanted to see with that.

I still think Visor should describe his "blackout" in more detail - though with 2 hours on the clock, he's not looking good...

[Choxorn]

Why would I admit to not being in the write up, as scum? Do you think me stupid or something? Especially in a group of 4 as well, where the absent person would be easy to identify.

You're wasting time lynching me, there is a person out there who can masquerade in groups and kill and/or roleblock. Possibly a third party.

You're just WIFOM'ing now. You admit to not being in the write-up because you don't think we'd expect a scum to admit to that.

And honestly, you being roleblocked sounds ridiculous. If 8 people accounted for everything that happened last night, that means that the scum can roleblock you, attack Ishmael, and join one of the vig groups, all at the same time, or that some random non-scum accounted for the extra kill or roleblock (and why would they roleblock you or kill Ishmael if they weren't scum?), or that there's more than one scum left and they can still do all of that in one night.

No, Visor. I'd say it's far more likely that you pretended to join the group, then went off and attacked Ishmael because you're the last scum and you came up with this lame cover story.

[Montmorency]

No, Visor. I'd say it's far more likely that you pretended to join the group, then went off and attacked Ishmael because you're the last scum and you came up with this lame cover story.

My key issue with this is that Visor isn't so stupid as to break his cover. Why break cover when there are 3 other people in the group? Moreover, it would have been much safer to kill while there were 8 people in the group, as was the case with the Buddha-wagon - in case you think of a kill-ebvery-other-day requirement.

[Visor]

Unvote; Vote Choxorn

[Visor]

All it said was that I blacked out shortly after leaving the camp, then I woke up when the lynch was ready to start.

[seireikhaan]

So, round over. I'll be taking this one a bit slowly, super tired. Will try to have it wrapped up asap.

[seireikhaan]

Well, here we were. A grand total of eight of us left; six members of the guard and retinue, myself, and the scribe. Even in this dark hour, though, I had to be impressed. For perhaps the first time ever, they all sat down and discussed, quite calmly, who was responsible. There were exchanges of stories, and they borrowed the scribe’s abacus when trying to break down the mathematics of their respective experiences. I admit, I felt a swell of pride when, at the end of it, there was a decently solid consensus that rational logic dictated that Visorslash was the last remaining threat to us. He, naturally, protested, insisting that the mathematics stated otherwise, but others found it unpersuasive. So, in the end, he was marched up to me, his protests falling on deaf ears. The group forced him to his knees. I raised my sword high, looking into his eyes.

“Visorslash, in the name of my divine presence-“

Without warning, Visorslash spat at my feet.

“You think you’re the true face of the divine?” He asked. He craned his neck back to look at my few remaining followers. “And do you think you can escape this prison with mathematics and logic? That’s…” Visorslash started to cackle. “That’s incredibly humorous. The path out is through feeling, through your own know-how. If you think you can acquire victory through brute force mathematics, you will all surely die! Logic will only sink you further!” I grimaced at his rantings. I had enough of this. Perhaps it was simply the ranting of a bitter man who lost, or perhaps more. Either way, I brought my sword down with both hands and rendered his head from his neck with a neat, clean slice. I turned back to my followers once more. They looked confident. I could feel the warmth of reassurance from them.

“Come, my friends! Victory is at hand! We have surely covered nearly this whole labyrinth by now! Escape is near!”





Feel free to send night orders. Y'all have 24 hours.



Tally:

Visorslash 3 (Choxorn, Jarema, GH)
Choxorn 2 (Visorslash, Lazy)



Alive:

Choxorn
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Jarema
Lazy McCrow

Lynched:

NinjaCow (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
TinCow (D3)
Andres (D4)
Montmorency (D5)
Visorslash (D6)

Killed:

Atheotes (N1)
JoanK (N1)
Arjos (N2)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N2)
Zack (N2)
Chaotix (N3)
Edse (N3)
Makrell (N3)
Riedquat (N3)
White Eyes (N3)
Buddhafish (N4)
Captain Blackadder (N4)
Askthepizzaguy (N5)
Autolycus (N5)
Ishmael (N5)

Attacked:

Ishmael (N1)
Tincow (N2)
Ishmael (N4)
GeneralHankerchief (N5)

Wrath of Khaan:

Kagemusha (D3)
Xenoneb (D4)
Jolt (D4)

[Montmorency]

The job for tonight should be clear.

Crow, pick up Jarema and either GH or Choxorn to vig Double A. The remaining two should attempt to protect Crow.

[Visor]

You don't get it, do you? You can't do any night actions after you killed me!

[Montmorency]

Khaan bent the WoG rule, why wouldn't he bend this one? Surely at least Crow could team up.

[Visor]

Khaan bent the WoG rule, why wouldn't he bend this one? Surely at least Crow could team up.

Then why not bend the rule that allowed me to quote host PMs? :stare:

You better lynch right next day phase. My bet says Lazy dies.

GH, Jarrema, Choxorn and AA.

Difficult choice.

[Montmorency]

?

That's a pretty strict formal rule in many games. WoGs are as well, but are more subject to the host's spontaneous discretion, within fairness or limits that the players don't find too intolerable. AFAIK Khaan made the pairs rule up in the middle of the game.

It would be foolhardy to not at least make the attempt on this, the final, the night of nights.

[LazyMcCrow]

This site has been down for me for the last 8 hours. I request an extension of same

[Jarema]

The same. I would even ask for extension of 24 hours, as basically almost all time I had for playing has passed.

[Jarema]

Another thing:
This game will end soon. Join my Academy of Elemental Magic!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142716-Academy-of-Elemental-Magic-SIGN-UPS

[LazyMcCrow]

That's just too casual a piece of self-promotion for you to be scum. Surely?

[seireikhaan]

Request for extension granted. Round will go an extra 12 hours.

[autolycus]

So, who else wants to claim blackouts?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, who else wants to claim blackouts?

I'm pretty sure two townies have claimed blackouts so far and both have died.

The rest of the town is clearly incapable of handling helpful information.


How to read Khaan's writeups Chapter One:

"well done, escape is near!" = You just shafted yourself.


Also: There is only one chapter.

[Montmorency]

Visorslash's handicap should be obvious by now. Look to my lynch-writeup. His lynch was a poor one by all standards - except the killer's. :brood:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nothing exploded out of my body when I died. Nothing happened when Visor died.

Innocent humans in the marionette strings of inhuman scum. Shame so much energy was wasted on us. That will be the final nail in the town's coffin.

For the record, I don't think myself and Visorslash would have admitted to being used to further Monty's aims if we were part of like a Monty cult or something. I hope people don't think I'm that dumb.

[Visor]

So, who else wants to claim blackouts?
:stare:


I'm pretty sure two townies have claimed blackouts so far and both have died.

The rest of the town is clearly incapable of handling helpful information.


How to read Khaan's writeups Chapter One:

"well done, escape is near!" = You just shafted yourself.


Also: There is only one chapter.
Exactly.

[Double A]

Bleh, I thought I was going to be replaced.

I'm here now, so in the unlikely event that anyone needs me to do anything except be vigged, PM me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bleh, I thought I was going to be replaced.

I'm here now, so in the unlikely event that anyone needs me to do anything except be vigged, PM me.

Translation: I'm mafia and my "replace me" gambit worked.

[LazyMcCrow]

Translation: I'm mafia and my "replace me" gambit worked.

I hope you're right

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hope you're right

Speaking of rightness, I have recently begun exploring exactly what exactly is "rightness" or "goodness" in terms of absolute moral gooditude. I have spoken with priests, rabbis, imams, zen Buddhist monks, and people from the news that is based on a certain furry animal with a long tail and is also considered sly and crafty.

And I have come to an inescapable conclusion:

It is morally right to join my Legend of Zelda game currently in sign-ups. Yes, LazyMcCrow, that means you!

[LazyMcCrow]

It is morally right to join my Legend of Zelda game currently in sign-ups. Yes, LazyMcCrow, that means you!

Done, whether I be damned or no.

While off-topic, can anyone explain the apparent synergy between mafia games and total war sites?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Looks like I made it through the storm without losing power. Activity will now pick up. :yes: Pizza, this includes our mechanics discussion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Looks like I made it through the storm without losing power. Activity will now pick up. :yes: Pizza, this includes our mechanics discussion.

I think I just did a squee.

[seireikhaan]

Aaaaaaaalrighty. Writeups in progress, will be posted asap.

[LazyMcCrow]

Thanks for the extension btw - it was appreciated

[seireikhaan]

Soon.

Yes, I know. They hate me. Despise me. They will come for my blood tonight.

Prepare.

Oh yes, I was prepared. I would not journey silently into the night. I sat upon the dais, my legs crossed, sword sitting in my lap. Whatever ill-intentioned person or monster or whatever came for me, I would survive.

Defend.

I swiveled my head, and saw a single armed man approaching. His sword still held stains of blood.

“Double A,” he began. “I-“

“Am here to murder me?” I interrupted. “Here to send another soul to the next world, on your own volition?” I mocked.

“I enforce judgment!” He commanded. “I am the righteous hand of the emperor!”

“Whatever,” I shrugged. I stood up on my dais. “You are here to murder me. So, come,” I gestured beneath me to the dais. He raised an eyebrow suspiciously. Still, his sword raised, he quickly climbed up, never taking his eyes off me.

Kill him.

I know. There’s nothing left but it. I raised my sword to a dueling stance.

“Well?” I asked. “Righteous judgment?”

The man growled, and lunged forward with an overhand blow. I parried the blow to my right and struck him with my left fist. He staggered back for a moment before whirling around, ready again. He thrust his blade at me, and I sidestepped. I raised my sword and swung and overhand blow to counter, but he was already on the defensive! He blocked the blow launched a knee into my gut, followed by a fist to my jaw. I staggered back , dropping my sword as I fell back to the edge of the dais.

Fight!

I tried! He’s too fast! I can’t beat him!

Don’t give up!

I had no choice, not really. I glared impotently at my attacker, who held the tip of his sword to my chest.

“May you find peace in the embrace of the gods,” he said. The last thing I felt was the sharp, burning agony in my chest.




Still no damned exit… and another member of the retinue deceased. I was given assurances that it was condoned and well intentioned and… whatever. There was a nagging at the back of my head, telling me something was wrong. That we needed to kill. To find a last, malicious threat to my divinity. I sighed again. I gave them a dismissive wave of my hand, and a last command to get themselves a proper judgment for me to enforce.



It is now Day 7. You have 24 hours.



Alive:

Choxorn
GeneralHankerchief
Jarema
Lazy McCrow

Lynched:

NinjaCow (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
TinCow (D3)
Andres (D4)
Montmorency (D5)
Visorslash (D6)

Killed:

Atheotes (N1)
JoanK (N1)
Arjos (N2)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N2)
Zack (N2)
Chaotix (N3)
Edse (N3)
Makrell (N3)
Riedquat (N3)
White Eyes (N3)
Buddhafish (N4)
Captain Blackadder (N4)
Askthepizzaguy (N5)
Autolycus (N5)
Ishmael (N5)
Double A (N6)

Attacked:

Ishmael (N1)
Tincow (N2)
Ishmael (N4)
GeneralHankerchief (N5)

Wrath of Khaan:

Kagemusha (D3)
Xenoneb (D4)
Jolt (D4)

[Montmorency]

Well, isn't that interesting. I can see it - Crow counts as scum. He killed solo, you will notice.

It's a shame that he has to go. He was almost as town as I. It seems Khaan is more zero-sum in this regard than I had thought. :bow:


I would not journey silently into the night.

"...not go gentle into that good night" is the cooler line.

[TinCow]

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with Monty. Lynch Lazy McCrow. He wouldn't be alive unless he were scum. It also explains why he was so eager to reveal his role to multiple people earlier in the game... confidence borne of the knowledge that he wouldn't be targeted at night.

[White_eyes:D]

Question...Why would Lazy have killed Double A, if he knew that in the write-up he would show up as scum?:confused:

[autolycus]

I don't think Lazy is the scum we're looking for, he must have just had a chance of survival of attacks. Double A was doing something one of the night's the red text killer killed someone, so I think the controller theory is accurate, in which case Double A was not the source of the red text, but another innocent victim. My gut says GH for the controller, but I don't have much to reinforce that idea, it really could be any of them.

In order of scumminess in my opinion:
GH
choxorn
Jarrema
Lazy

[Montmorency]

Edit: I just realized that no one had mentioned any of this in-thread. Sorry. Forget about it. That was a bad slip. I'll refrain from participating. Sort it out between GH and Crow.


Question...Why would Lazy have killed Double A, if he knew that in the write-up he would show up as scum?

Why did no one think to ask questions like this concerning Visorslash?

Anyway, it's possible that he tried to team up for appearances and the attempt failed because Khaan's pair-rule is still in effect.

[White_eyes:D]

Anyway, it's possible that he tried to team up for appearances and the attempt failed because Khaan's pair-rule is still in effect.

But they still would have showed up in the kill write-up on Double A....my take on it is that Lazy did it himself and didn't notify anyone, because someone is still scum and he didn't want them to have a free hand.:book:

IF Lazy is scum...he has played an ultra poor hand. He could have just waited for the next lynch phase and he would have been home free...why risk that?:shrug:

[TinCow]

Question...Why would Lazy have killed Double A, if he knew that in the write-up he would show up as scum?:confused:

Did Lazy broadcast his intent to kill Double A somewhere? I haven't seen that.

[White_eyes:D]

Translation: I'm mafia and my "replace me" gambit worked.


I hope you're right

Based on his response to Pizzaguy during the night phase....pretty sure he did vig-kill Double A. Even states in the kill-write up that he was defending the "Emperor" or something like that.:yes:

[LazyMcCrow]

I asked GH and Choxorn to protect me on the basis of well - scum Monty's analysis and auto's guidance really. I've been poor town the whole game - most of my hunches ended up with innocents hit instead of scum. So we have left:
Jarema - honestly no idea
GH - scummy as hell
Choxorn - deserves to die for playing the 'I don't know what's going on' card FOR THE ENTIRE GAME
Me - Ultim8 town powerz0R

so - hmm. vote: GeneralHankerchief

come one and all and tell me what I'm doing wrong this time.

[TinCow]

come one and all and tell me what I'm doing wrong this time.

What did you do last night?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Right now I'm torn between Lazy and Choxorn.

This really comes down to which theory you believe. On one hand, khaan's twisted enough to pair a scum role (Lazy) with a power town role (auto), and perhaps Lazy just decided to take a big risk with offing Double A last night and passing it off as a vig effort. On the other hand, a controller role is also right up khaan's alley. This would also go well with Choxorn, who's been lynch/vig bait for basically half the game but has been passed over since there's always been a more immediate issue to deal with.

Full disclosure, my PMs with Lazy the previous night:


Chaps,

The situation is not as perilous as it might be, as that now that my loyal assistant has been murdered, I can vig or protect with 100% effectiveness on my own. I suggest that I'll hit DoubleA while you two protect me. Sound good? Have other ideas? Get back to me either way - and sorry for the delay I've been hitting refresh on this site for the last 8 hours adn its only just come back online.

Orders: I shall kill DoubleA

@Khaan - Please let these orders stand as V1. If GH or Chox get back to me with proposed changes then I might need that extension I asked for in the thread, just to get over the time zone hump.

:bow:
Lazy

(this was sent to both Chox and myself, from here on out they are between me and Lazy only)



What do you think our efforts should be if the game continues? Choxorn's been lynchbait for a few rounds now; personally, I think he's just as good of an option to kill as Double A, inactivity nonwithstanding. Do you have anything concrete on him either way?

I'm as unsure about you and Jarema as I am about Choxorn and DOubleA. The fact that Choxorn has ridden the 'I don't know what's going on' line for the entire game makes me think that I'd vote for him if the game hasn't ended with Double A's death, but the only reason I unvoted you was on the strength of Auto's posts in defence of you. I've been having to assume that Auto was town from the word go, as a town power role partnered with a mafia to begin with strikes me as incredibly unfair! - Also auto has offered more pro-town analysis than anyone else, but - to reiterate - I'm not 100% about any of you :)


Fair enough. Barring any unforseen developments, you know which direction I'll be looking at most closely if the game continues though. :yes:

Vote: Choxorn

For now, but I do need to go back and look over Lazy's posts especially since TinCow(?) made a good point about him being a bit too confident in claiming earlier on.

[Montmorency]

I'm sorry, but I can't resist.


most of my hunches ended up with innocents hit instead of scum.

Most? How can you tell which were scum?


Vote: Choxorn

What happened to trusting Chaotix' judgement?

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's the endgame now, I can't just blindly cross people off.

[TinCow]

So, let me get this straight... Lazy submits orders to kill Double A solo. We see Double A killed solo in the write-up with red text all over it. Lazy himself doesn't even react as if something odd happened to him last night. I understand the whole 'controller' theory that's being sprinkled around recently, but even so please explain to me how this situation can be ignored.

Also... Lazy claims to have been able to kill or protect with his partner all game. And now that his partner is dead he claims to be able to kill solo. Doesn't that sound like the typical group-mafioso role in pretty much every game?

[Visor]

Yeah, Lazy sounds like the best shot.

[Montmorency]

It's the endgame now, I can't just blindly cross people off.

The watcher is blind?


So, let me get this straight... Lazy submits orders to kill Double A solo. We see Double A killed solo in the write-up with red text all over it. Lazy himself doesn't even react as if something odd happened to him last night. I understand the whole 'controller' theory that's being sprinkled around recently, but even so please explain to me how this situation can be ignored.

Eh, the Double A kill had red text because Double A was the red-text killer. Read it again.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Chaotix never got around to telling me who he looked at on N3 before he died, so it's all conjecture.

Still though, you have a point.

Unvote: Choxorn
Vote: Lazy

Urgh, I just don't feel good about this situation at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I smell ham.

[Choxorn]

Yeah, Lazy sounds like the best shot.

I agree. Vote: LazyMcCrow

[Andres]

My brain says it's LazyMcCrow.

My gut says it's GeneralHankerchief.

Only time will tell which part of my body is the most intelligent. If it turns out to be GH, then I'm done trying to analyze stuff in mafia games.

[LazyMcCrow]

I killed Double A last night who was the red text killer. I revealed to auto as soon as he replaced my absent starter partner. When my partner dies I can vig or protect with 100% success on my own. Sound like a mafia? Well of course it does - I imagine that Khaan included that ability in my role precisely to make this situation as tense as it is now. In answer to Monty's 'How do you know 'most' weren't scum'? Well I think the only scum I;ve managed to hit have been ATPG (Monty's zombie) and DoubleA, who've I've been suspicious of all game. Right now:
1) I am a Town Power role
2) Despite what I said to GH about voting Choxorn if vigging DoubleA didn't finish it, I still find GH the scummiest - his 'don't know which way to blow' is classic scum tell in the end game - all attention deflected toward anyone but himself
3) Choxorn - If you ARE the scum then you won it by going 'meh' every day - well done
4) Jarema - I still have no idea

My vote stays on GH, as my gut as much as Andres says its him. Choxorn and Jarema - I hope you will vote GH

[Jarema]

unvote; vote: GH

[LazyMcCrow]

cool - well that's tied it up at 2 for GH and 2 for me. Choxorn - I urge you to reconsider.

[Andres]

'khaan loves to confuse his players and the power roles in his games are usually very ambiguous. Often it turns out that a "power role" is just another mafia faction or a serial killer. That's why I'm inclined to say LazyMcCrow is the remaining scum.

That said, I simply can't shake the feeling that GeneralHankerchief smells fishy and the kill choices smell like him.

[LazyMcCrow]

The main evidence which supports my claim is actually the write-ups. I shall collate my night orders and their results and post them for your scrutiny - I'd also ask GH - indeed all surviving members of the party - to do the same.

[LazyMcCrow]

N1 - Attempt to protect TinCow solo as my partner ‘Thermal’ is AWOL - no write up mention or feedback PM

N2 - Auto and I protect TinCow: Target attacked - protection succeeds

It wasn’t often I had a hunch this strong. It was one of those things, a gut feeling, but stronger. Hard to describe. I found myself taking this corridor at a strong pace, driven as though by outside forces. Maybe it was fate. Heshin was following, me, keeping up well for someone born a commoner. I took the curving passageway down, and found myself at the doorway of a great library. Normally, I was not one to appreciate literature. One doesn’t reach my position just by being a learned scholar. Still, I couldn’t help but admit that it was an impressive site. The shelves were carved from the marble itself, holding manuscripts beyond counting. My hunch was, well, hunched down, in a corner, pouring over a massive text, his back to us. I sighed. Perhaps my instinct wasn’t correct. Still, it wouldn’t hurt to keep an eye out. I motioned to Heshin to follow me into a corner, and we sat ourselves down, keeping watch.

It didn’t take long for fate to prove my doubts wrong. Perhaps half an hour later, to our left, from the very doorway we had ourselves entered from, came a small gaggle of people. I nudged Heshin, and he nodded. It seemed they had not noticed us, and closed in on the scholar, TinCow. The four withdrew a variety of weapons- one with a club, another a spear, a third, a sword, and fourth, a knife. At that moment, their intentions were clear. TinCow, still buried in his work, did not seem to notice them. I withdrew my saber from its sheath with as clear a ring of authority as I could manage; Heshin followed suit.

“In the name of the Emperor and his divine authority, I order you to halt!” I commanded to the group. The four spun around on a heel, looking visibly panicked. “Move further and I shall attack! Flee now, or forever hold your peace with the creators!” Two of the four managed to regain some measure of composure, and immediately went on the offensive against us! The gall! However, they were little more than poorly trained raff. They lacked discipline, and came at us piecemeal. I dodged the sword wielder’s strike easily, and sliced his hand, not deep enough to cause a grievous wound, but enough that his weapon dropped with a clang. Heshin likewise was able to disarm the spear wielder with a clean, downward hack slicing the spear in two at the haft. Their two compatriots disarmed, the other two fled back. With little more provocation needed, the two aggressors followed suit. I smirked. It wasn’t much of a challenge, but it felt good to be back in action.

N3 Vig White_Eyes :D - success:

’“Are you sure about this?” Heshin asked me. “You’re certain about this?”

“Of course, my dear Heshin,” I responded. “I do not act without great certainty. We were quite successful last time, were we not?” Heshin nodded. We were looking to reach the old library, on a hunch I had. Sure enough, when we arrived, we found White Eyes pouring over an old scroll. He seemed so engrossed in his work that he did not notice us arrive. I unsheathed my sword, giving off an illustrious ringing noise as it was withdrawn from its holding. White Eyes finally looked up at us in surprise.

“Can I help you, gentlemen?” He asked.

“Yes, you can, White Eyes,” I commanded. “You may sit still, and submit to righteous judgment,” I said, pointing my sword at him. His eyes widened.

“But, my good sirs, I have done nothing wrong! I have been at my work here, trying to discover the mysteries of this incredible place, nothing more!” Heshin looked at me, somewhat questioningly, but he still withdrew his own sword.

“I believe that you are lying. Now, do you accept your judgment, or must we force it upon you?”

White Eyes didn’t respond, instead starting to walk backwards. He tripped over a manuscript on the ground and fell on his back. I stepped forward up to the panicked man. “In his name, I condemn you, White Eyes, for the crime of slaughter!” White Eyes closed his eyes as I ran him through with my blade, following it with a decisive slice upon his neck, rending his head to the floor. Heshin sheathed his sword, clearly looking troubled.

“Do not worry, dear Heshin,” I said, putting a hand on his shoulder. “We fight with just cause. The embrace of the divine will not let us err.”

N4 Vig Capt. Blackadder: Success:

Time was short. The hour of destiny was at hand. I could see from Heshin’s face that he could feel it as well as we traversed the labyrinth. We were currently in the first thing I’d seen yet resembling a residential district. The walls of marble had been carved out into rectangular structures, with vacant rectangles indicating that no actual permanent doors. I was positive that he had come this way… but if the houses had passageways going further in, we would only end up in a deeper maze than we already were in. I sighed. Perhaps we were on the wrong track… Maybe it was the left. Wait! I saw a flash of movement from one of the doorways. Yes!
“There!” I whispered, pointing out our target. Heshin nodded.

“I saw it as well. Dive in?” He asked.

“Follow my lead,” I took off at a pace, withdrawing my sword. I put my back up to the wall, just outside the doorway. I could hear shuffling inside. I gave Heshin a look to indicate I was going in. I turned on a heel sword at attention, ready to charge. Only to be halted…
By sheer surprise. Captain Blackadder was inside, with a large color palette. The far wall was no longer pristine white, but a menagerie of colors, most prominently red. He looked back at us in surprise of his own.

“Oh. Hello.” He gestured to the incomplete mural. “Do you like it?” He asked. I kept my blade at the ready. This was… not right. I would ordinarily hesitate to strike down an artist, but there was something unsettling about this whole scenario. The secrecy, the bright colors. No, I had a mission. Destiny, it was still at hand. I ignored his query.

“Captain Blackadder, for the crime of treason, I sentence you to death.” I said calmly. “Now be still, and accept divine justice.” I raised my sword high and moved forward on a left-leaning arc, while Heshin moved opposite me, to prevent an escape. Captain Blackadder, in either shock or submission, did not move from the spot, and I readied a clean cut through his neck.

N5 Vig ATPG

It was time yet again for glory! I was running through the endless pathways, sprinting, basking in the liberation from being surrounded by others. My momentum carried me around a corner and I flew into two armed men, tumbling in between them. I managed to tuck myself into a roll and bounced up. The first man was tall, with a confident, fearless demeanor. The other was shorter, and looked alarmed at my appearance. Yes. Him. He needs my instruction. Grinning gleefully, I pulled my knife from my belt.

“Askthepizzaguy,” The confident man began as he unsheathed a pretty, shiny sword. “In the name of our emperor, I pass judgment upon you!” I cackled.

“You cannot pass judgment upon me, not until you have judged yourselves! Conquer your fear, revel in the bliss of its absence, and then you may judge me!”

The man grinned. His partner, Autolycus, still looked unsure. My chance! I leaped forward, and they both tried to cut me down. Autolycus, obviously hindered by his fear, missed me completely, while the other man sliced a deep gash into my side as I was in mid-air. A wound was nothing! I collided into Autolycus, and rammed my knife into his chest. I stabbed him again and again, not even feeling it when the other man rammed his sword straight into my back. I slammed my blade into Autolycus’ throat. His face, the fear. It was plastered across. Such a pitiable man, fearing the embrace of death. My lesson… it failed. I let my arms fall to my side, and I looked to the other man, grinning once more.

“You will join him soon. Do you fear the caress of death?” I asked. Fury stoked his eyes as he raised his sword high with both hands. I bellowed with laughter once more, at last, the world went black…

And N7 we finally struck gold and killed DoubleA (see last night write up)

I'd be interested to see what GH comes up with - as well as the other two. By my reckoning Jarema has to be town, or he'd be voting for me, so in my mind it has to be one of the other two.

[autolycus]

Unless Double A could do two attack actions at once, the red text must come from an external controller since he was seen participating in vigs the previous night (do the math, since Visorslash said he was blocked). Monty could do his ability and an attack, it makes more sense that the controller is the same way than that Double A could do two attacks. I'm not feeling great about Lazy, but there is no question in my mind that the red text is still out there. If Lazy is scum, there are two separate scum left, and town actually needs to lynch innocent and hope that the scum kill each other tonight.

So, if you think Lazy is scum, vote whoever you think is less scummy of choxorn and GH(I'm pretty sure Jarrema's innocent, and we want to make it easy on Lazy who to kill)
If not, vote whoever you think is scummier of choxorn and GH.

Also, @GH, what makes you think I was a power role? The writeups pretty clearly make me the sidekick.

[autolycus]

Wait, why are we crossing off Jarrema? His "inactivity" the night of Buddhafish's death doesn't prove anything if we're dealing with a controller.

[TinCow]

Eh, the Double A kill had red text because Double A was the red-text killer. Read it again.

Thanks, I missed that. On re-read I agree with the theory that Double A was being controlled in some fashion by the red text. The source of the red text is not identified.


I'm not feeling great about Lazy, but there is no question in my mind that the red text is still out there. If Lazy is scum, there are two separate scum left, and town actually needs to lynch innocent and hope that the scum kill each other tonight.

So, if you think Lazy is scum, vote whoever you think is less scummy of choxorn and GH(I'm pretty sure Jarrema's innocent, and we want to make it easy on Lazy who to kill)
If not, vote whoever you think is scummier of choxorn and GH.

Surely Lazy himself could be the controller. Monty claims to have been able to do two actions in a single night (block and group action). We have to assume the remaining scum can do that as well. You're not going to be able to solve this by simply checking off night action boxes. We have to assume that there is only one scum left, which also means that the town loses if it lynches incorrectly today.

For the record, if it's not Lazy, my money would be on GH. I can see arguments in favor of the others, but GH has been playing a pretty low-key game while still being active the whole time. I fully expect that GH with a controller-type role would try to do exactly that. At the same time, we've got an admitted killer who's been killing for a fair amount of the game. To Lazy's credit, the write-ups show him going on about divinity and the Emperor and whatnot, which seems consistent with the narration we're getting from the Emperor himself. There's got to be at least one pro-town role in this game, so his claim is plausible.

A tough choice, glad I don't have to make it. Whoever the final mafioso is has done a good job to make the choice so difficult at this phase. Hats off to you, whoever you are. :bow:

[Montmorency]

Gentlemen:


For the record, if it's not Lazy, my money would be on GH. I can see arguments in favor of the others, but GH has been playing a pretty low-key game while still being active the whole time. I fully expect that GH with a controller-type role would try to do exactly that. At the same time, we've got an admitted killer who's been killing for a fair amount of the game. To Lazy's credit, the write-ups show him going on about divinity and the Emperor and whatnot, which seems consistent with the narration we're getting from the Emperor himself. There's got to be at least one pro-town role in this game, so his claim is plausible.

For your consideration:

1. We knew from the get-go that there would be two town power roles. One of them was Chaotix. I am not aware of another claim besides his - and Crow's.

2. Crow is not the only one who claimed early.As mentioned multiple times previously, GH has claimed a handicap that makes him very unreliable at group actions. He revealed this to me just as it was becoming clear that I would be engaging in a spot of late-game networking.

3. It is still unclear whether the third person at the Makrell protection (other two being myself and Ishmael) was GH or Double A. GH claims thus - to have solo protected me for kicks, because he "was tired of doing nothing".

There are very strong implications emanating from these points. If the third can be convincingly argued in his favor, then it conclusively clears him. In the meanwhile, it looks to me that GH is either a very audacious BS artist, or Choxorn has indeed been sliding by. Crow seems clear any which way. Everything adds up for him, it really does.

[TinCow]

GH has claimed a handicap that makes him very unreliable at group actions.

I had forgotten about this. As far as I can tell, this isn't a game where townies get random attributes to make them more interesting. I don't think 'khaan has ever done that and I haven't heard any claims of such a set-up here, other than from GH. This indicates to me that GH has a non-townie role. That tips the scales for me. Lynch GH.

And, for all his protestations, this remains eyebrow raising:


Just a warning, my activity will be limited this weekend.How can you be so sure the game won't be over after 'khaan posts his write-up?

[LazyMcCrow]

To grab the obvious carrot being dangled there:
Has Choxorn been sliding by? - Yes
Is GH a very audacious BS artist? - :2thumbsup:
lynch one and if its the wrong one - Vig the other one.

[Montmorency]

I'm willing to bet it on Crow. As a killer, he can take down Choxorn (or Jarema, if Chaotix' plea is good enough for us) tonight. If by any means he does turn out to be scum, then I'd count it a game played well. But it seems like the town's last best hope and potential failsafe.

By the way, in case anyone's worried - all of that stuff in my previous post had been stated elsewhere in thread already. I was just recapitulating. For reference, see:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142389-The-House-of-Origin-IN-PLAY&p=2053491733&viewfull=1#post2053491733
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142389-The-House-of-Origin-IN-PLAY&p=2053491853&viewfull=1#post2053491853
and Khaan's master post (Post #1)

[Riedquat]

I agree with the others deceased here, GH is more suspicious by action while Choxorn is by inaction, lynch GH now!!

[Andres]

As mentioned multiple times previously, GH has claimed a handicap that makes him very unreliable at group actions.

(...)

solo protected me for kicks, because he "was tired of doing nothing".


That's it. Lynch GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm Faltin, commander of the royal barracks and loyal servant of the Emperor. I also have a malady that prevents me from being effective at night actions unless I come into contact with somebody with access to "medicine" at night. Once cured, I was supposed to return to my usual level of strength; what exactly this is, I'm not sure but I was hoping for me being able to participate in night actions without the help of a partner.

I was originally paired with Chaotix, our watcher. I found this situation to be ideal, because it meant that Chaotix wouldn't be inconveniencing me while he did his investigations and could even help find the cure.

N1 and N2 I did nothing. Chaotix found that I was innocent and that TinCow "was a killer".

N3 I started to get bored. Once I found out from khaan that doing so would not put me in any danger of death, I solo-protected Montmorency for kicks.


It was time for action. Time to prove myself! I held my trusty morningstar in my hands, gazing upon its lustrous sheen. I can’t believe I hadn’t done this yet! Just having the weapon in my hands, it felt like nothing I’d experienced. I had power! This is amazing! I feel incredible! Yes! Yes! Yes! I can win! I’m the greatest! I. CAN. DO. THIS! I turned the corner of the hallway to find my prey, Montmorency, accompanied by two fellows, with a fourth walking mechanically at the end of the hall. They were no match for me! Raising my weapon high, I screamed with the fury of my transcendence as I rushed my target. The two men near me split apart and scattered in my terrible wake. Alarm overtook Montmorency’s face as he withdrew a sword from its sheath. I closed in and swung the mace overhand with force that would shatter the palace walls… and was stunned as Montmorency deftly stepped to the side and sliced my right hand, causing me to drop my morningstar. Montmorency held his blade in a duelist’s pose, the point just inches from my neck. I swore. This was impossible! Had I… been defeated?

“This is impossible!” I screamed in a tone a few pitches higher than I’d intended, as I ran back down the hall, the two fellows snickering at me as I fled for my life.

I'm almost positive this was me.

This was the night that Chaotix died. Still trying to get the cure, I decided to make contact with Monty, explaining to him my role and how the medicine could help me out. In the end, nobody ever got back to me regarding this. I told Monty that I'd be willing to help out in anything, but to put me in lesser-priority vig hits due to my condition.

N4 I was part of the big group that attacked Buddhafish.


They chuckled as well when I scrambled upright again, trying to reach the next exit. I reached the doorway, only to be flattened as three more of the devils stood in the hallway that turned out from the door. They gazed down at me with those unnatural eyes, grinning widely, readying enormous curved blades in their hands. I tried to scramble backwards, but felt my shoulders bump into something. I looked up and felt blood droplets falling onto my face as the demons from the fountain cackled down at me. The seven swayed their hips and began to sing a jaunty, haunting tune.

There were eight total people in on the order for this, seven of them showed up. I'm not sure if we've already resolved who the missing person was.

The next day, Monty was lynched. For lack of anything better to do, I tried to get a group together to take down the original lynch target, Choxorn, as pretty much everyone agreed that he would have gone had the entire Monty/ATPG thing not come out that previous day. I put a group of five together to accomplish this, accounting for any likely error with my condition. At the same time, I PM'd autolycus in passing suggesting as per our discussions the previous day, he and Lazy would vig ATPG.

What actually happened? Two people showed up for the kill on Choxorn: Myself and Ishmael. Three other townies, including some who were allegedly in on the Choxorn hit, attacked me in a group organized by one of either auto or Lazy, can't remember who.


“Where are they?” I whispered to the man next to me. I wasn’t really sure who he was exactly, but I knew from his face he was one of the folk who had supposedly enlisted to help with this. Sadly, it seemed the rest either lost their nerve or themselves along the way. He didn’t say anything, just shrugging.

The target for the time being, Choxorn, was examining a stone hoop emerging from the side of the gigantic, square room he was in. It seemed like an ancient precursor to our modern gymnasiums, perhaps for ancient ball games. There was an overly large circular indentation in the center, which is where he was currently standing, examining the edge. His curiosity apparently, he stepped out and started heading out to the other tunnel leading out. We were going to lose him! I motioned to the other fellow, and I made out like a bandit. Sword in hand, I charged at my prey, who turned in confusion on hearing my approach. I raised my weapon high, ready to strike him down… and forgot about the indentation. I felt a swooping sensation in my gut as my foot went sank deeper than I’d expected, and I flailed face first into the circle. Unfortunately, in my fall, I lost handle of my sword, which went skittering directly to the opposite side, settling right next to Choxorn. Still looking confused, he picked the sword up and marched on his merry way out the other tunnel. The second fellow with me walked up and offered a hand.

“Why didn’t you give chase?” I asked, exasperated. Once again, no response but a shrug. I sighed. Well, time to start over from scratch…


While we had discovered other temples in the labyrinth, the one we had followed GeneralHankerchief to was undoubtedly the largest. Its ceiling vaulted well over twice as high as the others, with massive seating sections carved from the marble itself into rows and rows of pews. GH was browsing around the pews, running a hand along the surface. I looked to the other two gentlemen with me, who gave nods of approval. I unsheathed my sword, and we three rushed from our hidden position. GH spun on the spot, hearing our approach. He vaulted over the nearest pew and froze in place. We started leaping the pews after him, and he began vaulting towards the end of the rows himself once more. I motioned for the other two to go for a flanking maneuver, and they both exited the seats and found themselves both making for the left side. Immediately recognizing our tactical error, GeneralHankerchief sprinted out of the pews in the other direction. Cursing at our luck, I ran after him, but he had a head start. I gave up as he ran into the labyrinth once more, and made a rude gesture at my comrades for their poor coordination.

By this point I had pretty much given up hope of ever being anything more than an underpowered townie. This is also around the time my activity became spotty because a) my laptop charger decided to break b) I was visiting friends for a weekend, c) Frankenstorm.

Lazy contacted me for N6 orders, the PM of which has already been posted in the thread. He told Choxorn and I that he was going to kill Double A and that he would appreciate it if we two protected him, which I did. Since Lazy was never directly attacked, this does not show in the writeup.

And here we are. It's not me, guys. I've basically been useless this entire game.

[Andres]

I'm not buying it.

[Montmorency]

he wouldn't be inconveniencing me

He was a watcher, and you were 'nothing'. Wouldn't it be the other way around? Sounds like a scum-slip. A watcher wouldn't bother you about group actions, hey-right?

Showing up in writeups clearly means little at this point. Double A appeared twice, and he was at least a killer. The one we're looking for now apparently isn't a killer.

(For that matter, why did Double A not attack anyone? I had assumed he and Crow fought attacked each other and Crow won on a coin toss or something. This is more evidence in favor of Crow.)


And here we are. It's not me, guys. I've basically been useless this entire game.

This is a deliberate attempt to imitate Pizza's empathetic plaintiveness. Only the nefarious have need of such mechanisms of control in the endgame.

[GeneralHankerchief]

He was a watcher, and you were 'nothing'. Wouldn't it be the other way around? Sounds like a scum-slip. A watcher wouldn't bother you about group actions, hey-right?

It's a two-way street in the fact that neither of us would be inconveniencing the other. The way I worded it like I did was a remnant of some initial conversation between Chaotix and myself:


Ok.

I am an investigator; specifically, I investigate for whether or not somebody has killed before, and whether or not they are killing that given night.

Since there are clearly four mafia (they call people "defilers") in two kills last night (and it looks like a failed 3rd party/vig kill on Ishmael), and my investigation tells me you were not part of them, that means you're as innocent as can be.

I imagine that since we have all the mafia successfully killing already, a "not a killer" result means almost certain innocence (unless unscannable) while as the game goes on a "killer" result will become increasingly unreliable.

Unfortunately while I'm investigating I can't do group actions with you.

We ought to have me blocked on some night or another so you can trust I'm telling you the truth and not just spinning you a story.

Anyway, unless you plan something else, I am probably going to be investigating. I feel bad that you don't really get to do night actions if I do that, though. Let me know and we can brainstorm.

[Montmorency]

All we know is that you can't be a killer.

The threat we're looking for is not a killer. Crow is very likely the second power role for Town. No one else here can kill unless they've been hiding it for a while.

The sad thing about this is that Choxorn will never break the tie, as he knows he's up next for killing by Crow. But I can only see a choice between the two of you.

A true townie falls upon the town's sword when necessity calls.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hmm. According to khaan there are "at least" two power Town roles in the game. Chaotix, Lazy (most likely), and I guess I count as a half in case I ever did manage to get that medicine, it would make up for my original condition. This, in my mind, helps make Lazy's case.

There still might be a way. LazyMcCrow, Jarema, what say you? Let's get rid of Choxorn now and see if the game ends. If not, we can go from there.

Unvote: LazyMcCrow
Vote: Choxorn

[LazyMcCrow]

Hmm. According to khaan there are "at least" two power Town roles in the game. Chaotix, Lazy (most likely), and I guess I count as a half in case I ever did manage to get that medicine, it would make up for my original condition. This, in my mind, helps make Lazy's case.

There still might be a way. LazyMcCrow, Jarema, what say you? Let's get rid of Choxorn now and see if the game ends. If not, we can go from there.

Unvote: LazyMcCrow
Vote: Choxorn

I thought you might do that. I'm happy to believe your name is 'Faitlin' but as I am 'Elsehan, Royal Master of Arms' I find it difficult to believe that there is also a 'Commander of the royal barracks'. I just don't buy your claim.

[LazyMcCrow]

That said - if Jarema changes his vote to Choxorn now, then I'll consider switching - there's too much room for me to switch to Choxorn then you vote back to me before the deadline. What the scum want today is me lynched. You'd do a better service to the town if you self-voted.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oy, nothing I can say to defend that one, other than the fact that there's going to be a big, fat, "I told you so" once it comes time to post role PMs.

At this point it looks like there's not much more I can do other than hope you're not the one who's scum. Good luck, guys. :bow:

-edit- I can't bring myself to self-vote in this situation, as this goes against everything I stand for in a meta sense.

[LazyMcCrow]

Understood. - Well I'll keep an eye out for the next hour or so. As I said - If Jarema flips to Choxorn, I'll consider a rethink. You certainly talk the talk :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hammy hammy ham.

Yes, GeneralHamkerchief should die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This line, Hamkerchief:


Urgh, I just don't feel good about this situation at all.

She betrayed your soul.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Quick note: I'm almost positive that Jarema is innocent. The voting was 2-1 in favor of Lazy when he voted. If Jarema was scum it would have been the easiest thing in the world to pile on Lazy and essentially end things.

[Andres]

Hmm. According to khaan there are "at least" two power Town roles in the game. Chaotix, Lazy (most likely), and I guess I count as a half in case I ever did manage to get that medicine, it would make up for my original condition. This, in my mind, helps make Lazy's case.

There still might be a way. @LazyMcCrow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94154), @Jarema (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=75824), what say you? Let's get rid of Choxorn now and see if the game ends. If not, we can go from there.

Unvote: LazyMcCrow
Vote: Choxorn

A scummy post.

GH, the fact that you are not voting LazyMcCrow allthough he's an admitted killer, makes me think you're scum. The reasoning you give to switch your vote to him is weak and sounds more like an excuse for not voting him. It's tempting for scum not to be seen voting the one everyone thinks is innocent; I would've believed more in your innocence if you stuck to your guns and tried to convince us it's Crow.

As a townie, youw would simply vote him, regardless of his claims and other elements brought forward, just for the mere fact that he's a killer and this is the end game.

[Montmorency]

If Jarema was scum it would have been the easiest thing in the world to pile on Lazy and essentially end things.

Did you notice this because it's what you yourself specifically and deliberately avoided doing? Your words smell of design, GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Andres: No, at this point I'm basically gambling that Lazy is who he says he is, and nothing more.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, holy crap confirmation bias, guys.

[Choxorn]

I'd say Lazy and GH seem about equally scummy at this point, but as it seems the day has been over for several hours now, I couldn't change my vote if I wanted to, and it wouldn't make a difference in the tally even if I could change it.

[autolycus]

Well, for everyone who doesn't have a kill, this game is almost certainly over, one way or the other. Lazy, if you're innocent, may your sword strike true.

[seireikhaan]

Right-o, round over, I'll have writeup posted asap.

[seireikhaan]

I had to follow my instincts. All the way to the end. They were divine instincts, after all! It was for reasons that I rallied the last four to offer me another sacrifice. There was much desperate bickering, none apparently willing to fall on my sword. It quickly evolved into a two-sided fight between my master at arms, Elsehan, and Faltin, the commander of the royal barracks. My instincts were growing a bit nervous at the prospect of my two highest ranking followers left being traitors. Both had served me and my family for decades! If this is what it had come to... In the end, Faltin was offered to me, not even gracing the debate with the dignity to vote against his opponent when such a move would create a logjam. He kneeled in front of me of his own volition, a disgusted look on his face at being accused of treason. I admit, for the first time since we had become trapped in the labyrinth, I genuinely hesitated as Elsehan glared at me expectantly. I held my sword aloft and looked at the condemned man, who refused to look me in the eye, preferring to star the the floor. He'd served so long... his training was what enabled me to conquer the holy city in the first place! Could I...? No, I had to. I was divinity incarnate. My instincts were guides from the gods themselves.

"Faltin, I hereby-"

I halted as the words choked themselves out in my throat.

No.

What... what was this?

End him!

My gaze moved of its own volition back to Elsehan. What? Him? But... my instinct... we had this procedure set...

Kill.

I took a step forward. Then another. What devilry was this? No! I was divinity incarnate! I would not succumb!

Kill.

No! I wrenched my head back to Faltin, who was now glaring at me furiously.

You would betray his loyalty?!

His loyalty... could I really kill the man who trained me in combat as a child? Was that the reward he deserved, for enduring this torment, for teaching me everything he knew?

Kill.

My head turned of its own volition back to Elsehan. But... he had also been nothing but loyal! If Faltin did not deserve it, why did Elsehan?

KILL!

No! My will is my own! I felt as though a weight lifted from my chest. I turned back to Faltin, still glaring at me. I would follow my instincts, the divine instruction of the gods. I knew what we had to do. Not uttering another word, I brought my sword down upon Faltin's neck and sliced through, perhaps only an inch deep. His eyes suddenly went wide, fear replacing hatred as a silvery mist escaped from the wound. It coiled into the air, growing thicker, with discernable features growing. Large eyes and a gaping maw faced down at me. Then, without warning, it simply shot down the nearest hallway as a loud tittering echoed back to us.

I knelt down next to my maimed commander, who was struggling on his last ounces of life. He was struggling to say something, his eyes still wide with fear as he tried to lift his head up. The effort proved too much, and he let his head rest, settling for raising a hand to my cheek. It just managed to make contact before falling flat, the fear in his eyes growing dulled.

I... I don't even know what to do. I withdrew from the group and let the scribe dismiss them. I pray that my commander did not die for nothing...




It is now night 7! You have 24 hours.



Tally:

GH 2 (Lazy, Jarema)
Lazy McCrow 1 (Choxorn)
Choxorn 1 (GH)





Alive:

Choxorn
Jarema
Lazy McCrow

Lynched:

NinjaCow (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
TinCow (D3)
Andres (D4)
Montmorency (D5)
Visorslash (D6)
GeneralHankerchief (D7)

Killed:

Atheotes (N1)
JoanK (N1)
Arjos (N2)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N2)
Zack (N2)
Chaotix (N3)
Edse (N3)
Makrell (N3)
Riedquat (N3)
White Eyes (N3)
Buddhafish (N4)
Captain Blackadder (N4)
Askthepizzaguy (N5)
Autolycus (N5)
Ishmael (N5)
Double A (N6)

Attacked:

Ishmael (N1)
Tincow (N2)
Ishmael (N4)
GeneralHankerchief (N5)

Wrath of Khaan:

Kagemusha (D3)
Xenoneb (D4)
Jolt (D4)

[autolycus]

Looks promising. Lazy, if you're scum, congratulations on a well played game. Otherwise, you have to decide who to kill. The game may be over and issaikhaan is just messing with us.

[TinCow]

Looks promising. Lazy, if you're scum, congratulations on a well played game. Otherwise, you have to decide who to kill. The game may be over and issaikhaan is just messing with us.

Looks to me like Lazy is scum and we're done. Regardless, whoever has won deserved it. If it's town, it was some nice clutch analysis. If it's mafia, it was a well managed disguise. Superb finish either way. I look forward to reading the end. :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

As I said, ham.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, let's hope we were right about Lazy. :bow:

[Chaotix]

Hmm...

I think you guys have probably been dealing with a "possessor" role of some sort.

Khaan likes those kinds of roles, see Spirit Mafia for an example.

Anyway I hope we won, and I hope GH wasn't scum from the start.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh man, Spirit Mafia! I totally forgot about that one. IIRC I was actually the Possessor role in question for that game too. :laugh4:

[Montmorency]

I totally forgot about that one. IIRC I was actually the Possessor role in question for that game too.

Aha! So you took the fall because you have one more ace up your sleeve...

:daisy:

[seireikhaan]

Hmm...

I think you guys have probably been dealing with a "possessor" role of some sort.

Khaan likes those kinds of roles, see Spirit Mafia for an example.

Anyway I hope we won, and I hope GH wasn't scum from the start.
Holy nuts, somebody remembers that game?

Way to invoke a 4 year old game with 400 posts. :laugh4:

[Chaotix]

Holy nuts, somebody remembers that game?

Way to invoke a 4 year old game with 400 posts. :laugh4:

Of course I remember it, I was mafia and I won! :laugh4:

Not before getting killed by GH, though. Would've been a total victory, but CR had to settle for last man standing.

[LazyMcCrow]

What do i do now?! I can Vig or Protect!

[LazyMcCrow]

I suppose I just follow my instincts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What do i do now?! I can Vig or Protect!

Protect does not win as you could be killed instead, thus making this choice simple.

Let's hope your instincts are more decisive.

[autolycus]

Here's my recommendation
If you're scum, protect, so they can lynch you tomorrow.
If you're town, vig, so that you can take out the scum, if any remain :p

[LazyMcCrow]

:laugh4: - yeah - my indecision was more to do with who I'm going to Vig and whether anyone had an opinion on it.

[TinCow]

:laugh4: - yeah - my indecision was more to do with who I'm going to Vig and whether anyone had an opinion on it.

Whatever your decision is, don't tell anyone else about it and don't post it here.

[Choxorn]

And the opinion of me and Jarrema on who you should vig should be obvious for both of us, since I assume neither of us wants to die.

[Jarema]

exactly

[seireikhaan]

Finally. We could end this. My final judgment would be issued. Choxorn was clawing at the edges of a sealed marble door. I stepped before him, sword held aloft. He turned around, with a panicked look.

“No, no. Honestly, I twun’t doing nothing bad! I just found this!” He said, gesturing to the door. “It’s an exit, if I’m be estimatin’ right.” I raised an eyebrow, suspicious.

“Just gimme a hand, man,” he urged. I had been sure that Choxorn was still a threat to our lord. Still… an exit was the point of these ventures. I sheathed my sword and stood beside him. We pushed as hard as we could, until finally, with a groan, the door slowly began to open. With great effort, we shoved it aside. The sight was… beautiful. Like a feast to a starving man, sunlight poured down on us. The marble floor gave way to earthen ground. The divine city glimmered below us. I couldn’t help but shed a tear.

“Sure is something purty, eh?” He asked, slightly in awe himself.

“We need to find the emperor!” I realized aloud. “Come, my fellow. Let us find our lord, and be gone from this foul place!”




I had thought, upon entering the divine city for the first time, as a glorious conqueror, that there had been no more beautiful sight. I was only partially correct. My loyal master of arms, Elsehan, along with Choxorn and Jarema in tow, found me back at the camp, in a whirl of excitement. When I followed them to the exit and looked down upon the city once again, I couldn’t help but reassess that this was, in fact, the most beautiful sight in the world. To be deprived of the sun, and to have it again, was beyond words. That was why I commissioned the scribe to do so for me. Hopefully it is done well, I would hate to have my name on a shoddy piece of literature to commemorate my survival.

I still do not know exactly what happened in that labyrinth. I do not know what supernatural forces were at work, nor who, if anyone, was plotting my demise. I did not care any longer. I ordered the door sealed once more. No longer would anyone journey into that cursed maze. Besides… I had a brand new Empire to rule.


TOWN VICTORY

Final Tally:

Alive:

Choxorn
Jarema
Lazy McCrow

Lynched:

NinjaCow (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
TinCow (D3)
Andres (D4)
Montmorency (D5)
Visorslash (D6)
GeneralHankerchief (D7)

Killed:

Atheotes (N1)
JoanK (N1)
Arjos (N2)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N2)
Zack (N2)
Chaotix (N3)
Edse (N3)
Makrell (N3)
Riedquat (N3)
White Eyes (N3)
Buddhafish (N4)
Captain Blackadder (N4)
Askthepizzaguy (N5)
Autolycus (N5)
Ishmael (N5)
Double A (N6)

Attacked:

Ishmael (N1)
Tincow (N2)
Ishmael (N4)
GeneralHankerchief (N5)

Wrath of Khaan:

Kagemusha (D3)
Xenoneb (D4)
Jolt (D4)

Roles:


Mafia:

Buddhafish
Visorslash
Ironside
God Emperor

Town:

Elsehan, Master of Arms - Lazy McCrow (Extra powered townie, protect or vig with partner or solo)
Teysa, Royal Mystic - Chaotix (Investigator, determines if target has killed)


Independent:

S'Ratha, Spirit of Domination - GeneralHankerchief (Possessor Role, required solo survival victory)

Israhaman, Locus of Madness - Montmorency (will just post the PM, simpler)

Israhaman PM

You are Israhaman, Locus of Madness. You are the true villain of House of Origin. The primordial spirit of Insanity, you finally broke free of the weakening seals keeping you trapped in the ancient city. It was you who opened the vault and invited the land’s greatest ruler in. Madness is so… glorious. In it, there is no fear or hesitation, only strength. Your goal is to spread Madness to each corner of the earth, and you will start with this small group. You have overshadowed the body of Alson, Royal Blacksmith. Each night, you may passively meditate and infect a player with Madness. That night, if successful, they will be blocked from all action as Madness inculcates. If targeted a second time(though not necessarily consecutively), they will become indoctrinated, randomly attacking a player other than you from that point on every night, unless their soul is particularly resilient to Madness, which may offer them a chance of breaking free from your control. While madness imbues power, it will only elevate this solo kill attempt’s chance to 50%.

Spreading madness does not preclude you from taking part in other standard night actions.

Your victory conditions are unique in that they operate on a scale, as opposed to simple win-loss. Total victory can be achieved by being alive while all other remaining players, regardless of alignment, are indoctrinated. Total defeat is achieved by having this vessel slain, along with all indoctrinated players. Ending the game with this vessel intact, regardless of other participants victory, will result in major victory. Minor victory is had if slain, but other indoctrinated members survive to end game.


More to come later. Thank you all for playing, and congratulations to all for a well-played game all around. It was a joy to host once again. :bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well played. Here was my PM:


You are S’Ratha, spirit of domination. You have were imprisoned in this labyrinth by the gods as an abomination, unfit for the free world. You feed upon the spirits of the living, taking control of their bodies for a time until it has served its purpose is done. When you sensed intruders in your prison, you knew the time for escape was at hand. As such, you possessed the body of Faltin, commander of the royal barracks. For now, it will serve as an able locus. Each night, you may extend your spirit to overshadow and control another player. You may have them attempt any one of the following night actions: vigilante kill, protection, watching, commit suicide, or you may attempt to be creative if you run it past me first. Their success rate will depend on the capability of those you possess, but will usually run at 50%, with the exception of suicide, which will almost always be 100% if you succeed in possessing them. While you are doing this, you may still attempt normal night actions with your host, Faltin, but such actions will be doomed to failure as your primary focus will be on the second host. You may also attempt normal night actions while not possessing another and have normal success chances. To achieve victory, you must be the last one standing.

You are partnered with Chaotix

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

In general I thought my nighttime strategy was pretty good. Chaotix actually told me he'd be scanning me N1, so I held off from killing then to throw him off. After that, it was off to the races. In the day, I just generally stumbled through trying to make sense of things, as I would have done if I was a townie. On some occasions I realized what was going on at night probably more than a lot of other people did, such as when I was unable to possess Visorslash the night before he got lynched.

The final night, I possessed Double A and sent the order to "defend himself to the death" since I knew a Lazy vig hit would be coming. I thought this would work out well for me either way, since if Double A managed to beat off Lazy he'd be the easy lynch that day and I'd cruise to victory. If Lazy still managed to blast through Double A (which is what happened) it would be a little harder but I was still confident that I'd be able to get Lazy lynched. Alas, I wasn't able to execute this plan and you guys were able to see through what I was saying (though I still maintain that my cover story was good, it was a general "scummy vibe" that did me in).

At the very least I can say that I was the last scum to survive in the game. Again, well played to the town and thanks to khaan for hosting a really fun one. :bow:

[Montmorency]

Ending the game with this vessel intact, regardless of other participants victory, will result in major victory. Minor victory is had if slain, but other indoctrinated members survive to end game.

Told ya. I was truthful in all things but one - indoctrination is a two-step process. Also, it's not called Marking, but that would be a rather petty thing to hold against me.

I was correct to kill Buddhafish. I did at least that much for the town. May my miraculous late-game mobilization of the entire town be forever commemorated in song: Israhaman the Savior.

Would you vig, if I asked you to vig?
Or would you lurk, and never look back?
Would you cry, if you saw me dying?
And would you save my life, tonight?

Would you tremble, if I ordered your death?
Would you revolt? Oh please tell me this.
Now would you die, for the Town that you love?
Perish in my arms, tonight.

I can be your Stalin, townie.
I can kill away the scum.
I will stand by you forever.
You can lynch me another day.

Would you swear, that you'll always obey?
Or would you lie? Would you run and hide?
Am I in too deep? Have I lost my mind?
Give me all your information, tonight.

I can be your Stalin, townie.
I can kill away the scum.
I will stand by you forever.
You can lynch me another day.

Oh, I just wanna save you.
I just wanna direct you, oh yeah.
Am I in too deep? Have I lost my mind?
Tell me your ability, tonight.

I can be your Stalin, townie.
I can kill away the scum.
I will stand by you forever.
You can lynch me another day.

I can be your Stalin, I can kill away the scum
(I can be your Stalin, townie)
And I will stand by you, forever
You can lynch me another day.
You can lynch me another day.
And I can be your leader.

:cry:

Visorslash: My spirit apparently took him as a vessel when he placed the final vote onto me. I did not know of this ability. Good thing he was lynched, though - he had convinced me of his townieness. So I technically got you a second scum with that. More points for the crushing barrage I launched at GH!

Very well played to all. The God Emperor lynch was surprisingly...and the death of Ironside the same night was quite a boon.

GH did the right thing in taking the loss for town. :bow: I got the impression that townies have it hard in his games. Has town ever before won in a Khaan game?

[Choxorn]

Excellent game and a thrilling finish! :bow:

For future reference, I never pretend to have no idea what's going on. If I claim that, I mean it. Come on, guys, I can come up with better covers than that if I'm a mafia. :p

Now, I might still claim that as a non-townie, it just means I'm telling the truth while still not being townie. Hehehe.

[Visor]

Told ya. I was truthful in all things but one - indoctrination is a two-step process. Also, it's not called Marking, but that would be a rather petty thing to hold against me.

I was correct to kill Buddhafish. I did at least that much for the town. May my miraculous late-game mobilization of the entire town be forever commemorated in song: Israhaman the Savior.

Would you vig, if I asked you to vig?
Or would you lurk, and never look back?
Would you cry, if you saw me dying?
And would you save my life, tonight?

Would you tremble, if I ordered your death?
Would you revolt? Oh please tell me this.
Now would you die, for the Town that you love?
Perish in my arms, tonight.

I can be your Stalin, townie.
I can kill away the scum.
I will stand by you forever.
You can lynch me another day.

Would you swear, that you'll always obey?
Or would you lie? Would you run and hide?
Am I in too deep? Have I lost my mind?
Give me all your information, tonight.

I can be your Stalin, townie.
I can kill away the scum.
I will stand by you forever.
You can lynch me another day.

Oh, I just wanna save you.
I just wanna direct you, oh yeah.
Am I in too deep? Have I lost my mind?
Tell me your ability, tonight.

I can be your Stalin, townie.
I can kill away the scum.
I will stand by you forever.
You can lynch me another day.

I can be your Stalin, I can kill away the scum
(I can be your Stalin, townie)
And I will stand by you, forever
You can lynch me another day.
You can lynch me another day.
And I can be your leader.

:cry:

Visorslash: My spirit apparently took him as a vessel when he placed the final vote onto me. I did not know of this ability. Good thing he was lynched, though - he had convinced me of his townieness. So I technically got you a second scum with that. More points for the crushing barrage I launched at GH!

Very well played to all. The God Emperor lynch was surprisingly...and the death of Ironside the same night was quite a boon.

GH did the right thing in taking the loss for town. :bow: I got the impression that townies have it hard in his games. Has town ever before won in a Khaan game?

Grr. I was hoping that by being open with the claim they would realise (or think) that it would be suicide to claim that as mafia. Unfortunately no-one thought of that, so I didn't get away with it. Lack of logic saves the town. :laugh4:

Up till that point, I thought we still had a chance. Oh well. Good game Khaan, thanks for hosting.

http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/Q2V3Mgj2aVC

Quicktopic, not much of note in it, normally I'm much more active.

Things of note: Ironside dying randomly hurt us, and so did GE's lynch (the only time I have EVER seen a person lynched because they voted for a dead guy (CFC is rife will people doing it), and he happens to be my mafia partner.), saying I suspected BUddhafish was necessary, but maybe backfired. Finally, the decision to claim roleblocked was bad, as people don't like logic in mafia, and if you start to take the logical angle, people lynch you.

JoanK Hi there. :wink:

BSmith (We killed JoanK.)

[Montmorency]

Here are the QTS for my team, and for myself and Ishmael. I am predominant:

http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/c23aFN4YC3rhy
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/FJDDHPXXGiSHw

[seireikhaan]

I got the impression that townies have it hard in his games. Has town ever before won in a Khaan game?
One very old game, poorly formatted game, Mafia Mongolica. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?119345-Mafia-Mongolica-Concluded)

[TinCow]

Superb! Good old fashioned scum detection wins the day; makes me proud to be a townie. Well played to all, particularly GH. I didn't even raise an eyebrow in his direction until the final day.

Thanks for a great game 'khaan. :bow:

[Chaotix]

Oh man. GH you must have been laughing to yourself every time I popped in just to defend you.

I am somewhat surprised that I thought "possessor role, Spirit Mafia" right after GH's death write-up, with almost zero knowledge of what had actually been going on during the night phases besides reading the write-ups. I am more surprised that I was correct.

Anyway, great game khaan, I enjoyed it even being dead for most of it.

[Andres]

Excellent game and very exciting end game that kept me glued on my stool. This game is proof that postcount isn't everything. Well done, 'khaan :2thumbsup:

And well played GH and all other scum :bow:

[Jarema]

great game and writeups (even though I have no idea what was going on for the most time)

now, when this game is over, maybe some of you will join my large mafia Academy of Magic?
It is here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142716-Academy-of-Elemental-Magic-SIGN-UPS

To be honest, I would welcome even semi-active players, as this game needs some cannon fodder too.

Now, I will become pathetic: please, help me. Last time I tried to host large game, I didnt find enough players. I do not want to suffer this fate again

[LazyMcCrow]

Thanks and praise be to the host for an excellent game with awesome write-ups. I don't know when I'll get to land a role like that again, so I'm glad I go through to the end, as it was by far the most tense and exciting mafia experience I;ve had - without being too stressful :)

Town couldn't have done it without my loyal partner Autolycus, who was far more effective as a scum hunter and didn't berrate me too much for my poor choice of Vig-targets (sorry again to those of you who died unnecessarily) and Glad the Vig order on Choxorn didn't need to go through - If you say you don't know what's going on in the future I shall believe it, but still lynch you for it - unless of course someone more suspicious comes along :D

Monty - You are insane indeed :)

I'm very surprised that mafia didn't target me after I claimed town power role - if anyone can shed some light on that it would be good. Mafia didn't have too long to make too many long-winded plans, but I feel sure the game would have gone on longer if they'd killed me - or if one of the SKs had forced me to suicide or something.

Bad luck scum!

Thanks again khaan - look forward to the next one. :bow:

[Visor]

Because I went along with all the vigs (by the time you claimed it was only me and Buddha, and Buddha was on the vigging block). So I became mister townie then onwards.

[Andres]

great game and writeups (even though I have no idea what was going on for the most time)

now, when this game is over, maybe some of you will join my large mafia Academy of Magic?
It is here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142716-Academy-of-Elemental-Magic-SIGN-UPS

To be honest, I would welcome even semi-active players, as this game needs some cannon fodder too.

Now, I will become pathetic: please, help me. Last time I tried to host large game, I didnt find enough players. I do not want to suffer this fate again

It would be a shame if you had to cancel your game, it looks very interesting. Signed up and put an ad on the FP. Perhaps Askthepizzaguy can find some more people interested in a fantasy RPG-mafia game on the other fora he frequents?

[Jarema]

It would be great. I advertize this game at the 3 fora where I play (here, twc, civfanatics), but nowhere else.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll give it a shot. How many people are you short?

Somehow I managed to snag 31 players at total war center, of all places. This is a place where 20 players is an achievement.


Also, ham.

[Jarema]

1. thank you
2. I need minimum of 24 players to go with game. But, I think that game design is of such character, that the more players the better. I would be really satisfied with 30 participants

[White_eyes:D]

Town couldn't have done it without my loyal partner Autolycus, who was far more effective as a scum hunter and didn't berrate me too much for my poor choice of Vig-targets (sorry again to those of you who died unnecessarily) and Glad the Vig order on Choxorn didn't need to go through - If you say you don't know what's going on in the future I shall believe it, but still lynch you for it - unless of course someone more suspicious comes along :D I am surprised Choxorn survived....it's a good thing I never mentioned that he was our mysterious 6th vigger, I was planning to include.(Time sort of messed this up) He was even my starting partner, yet I never once did a action with him....I regret that now.:shame:

Glad to see my hunch's were not WAY out in left field this time....makes me nervous for next time though.:sweatdrop:

Good game everyone.:bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I am surprised Choxorn survived....it's a good thing I never mentioned that he was our mysterious 6th vigger, I was planning to include.(Time sort of messed this up) He was even my starting partner, yet I never once did a action with him....I regret that now.:shame:

Glad to see my hunch's were not WAY out in left field this time....makes me nervous for next time though.:sweatdrop:

Good game everyone.:bow:

I was really broken up that you had died. You were the guy I was puppeteering at the start of the game when I took out Ironside and Makrell. I never found a reliable vessel afterwards. :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

I was really broken up that you had died. You were the guy I was puppeteering at the start of the game when I took out Ironside and Makrell. I never found a reliable vessel afterwards. :laugh4:
Your kidding?? So I killed Ironside?:laugh4:

I hope my vote provoked that because I totally was thinking I was being framed after he was killed. Does Lazy have some kind of supernatural sense to sense scum? Because he played an almost perfect game...mostly.:anxious:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Your kidding?? So I killed Ironside?:laugh4:

I hope my vote provoked that because I totally was thinking I was being framed after he was killed.

In a way, it did. One of my initial plans was to simply have you kill the person you voted for every night, since I knew it would drive you crazy. :laugh4: But after that night I decided to scrap that idea, funny though it would have been.

[Choxorn]

Town couldn't have done it without my loyal partner Autolycus, who was far more effective as a scum hunter and didn't berrate me too much for my poor choice of Vig-targets (sorry again to those of you who died unnecessarily) and Glad the Vig order on Choxorn didn't need to go through - If you say you don't know what's going on in the future I shall believe it, but still lynch you for it - unless of course someone more suspicious comes along :D

:laugh4:

I probably wouldn't have blamed you for killing me, I would have killed me too if I had no better ideas. Just because I'll never lie about something like that doesn't mean you shouldn't kill me anyway if you really think you should kill me.

[Zack]

Why was little ol' Zackefella vigged? :sweatdrop:

[Captain Blackadder]

This was one of the rare games where my scum radar worked I actually started the lynch on a scum :yes:

[TinCow]

Why was little ol' Zackefella vigged? :sweatdrop:

No particular reason. For N2, Riedquat suggested either you or Visor as the target, either for vig or protection. Both choices were random AFAIK. I preferred vig as I thought it would be more useful to us by showing us in the write-up even if we failed. Plus, I like vig. For the target I chose you over Visor because of Pirate Ship mafia. I figured that Visor had some bad luck early on in that game and I didn't want to double it by killing him so early in this one as well.