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sonnet
21/06/14, 07:25
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Admin of the HS: Myth & Nightbringer
Settings of the HS: VH/VH, Late Era, Savage AI,Longer assimilation and Disable Real Recruitment checked

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Introduction

Europe is in turmoil and war spread from the basin on which civilization was born to the islands where the winter never leaves. Religion is the shield, ambition is the sword. Warlords from the asian steppes to the Pillars of Hercules challenge themselves to reach absolute power.
Who's the righteous and who's the evil? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history...!!! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values!!! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground!!! Justice will prevail, you say!? But of course it will!!! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!!!"

Rules of the HS


Brand new rule: the decisive battle!
Under the following conditions (all of them must be true):
-you're at war against one or more factions
-you have 3 regions or less and you lost at least 2 regions since the war started

Under those circumstances only, you can call the "decisive battle". This is a way to simulate a last
decisive effort to revert the outcome of a war, which will give the possibility (if succeeded ) to put a stop
to the war (10 turns of forced peace between the 2 parties) and regain some of the regions lost (if succeeded the player can choose to get back through diplomacy 2 regions of his choice among the one he lost). If the player who call the decisive battle ,loses it, then its faction will be assimilated by the winners (they'll need to find an agreement for sharing those).

The battle will be played online using a private room Hamachi network, that will be setup by me.
The losing side will be allowed to spend 18k of money to assemble the army (he needs to choose his own faction, although he can use mercenary units too). The winning side will be allowed to spend up to 22k.
This is to represent the advantage of what's happening on the campaign map.
If the players attacking a faction who called the decisive battle are more than one, then they'll choose who will represent them on the battle. Ideally the time for the battle should be agreed within 4 days since the battles is called. No more regions can be taken by the losing side, after the decisive battle is called, until the battle is played.

Basic Rules:

-2 Turns of peace: you can't attack anyone on your first 2 turns. And you can't leave any army on enemy territory at the end of your 2 turns. Also you can't attack a settlement on your third turn with units that were on ships at the end of the 2nd turn
- Reloading turns is allowed (because it can't be banned) but not encouraged. Since reloading is allowed ,Heroic victories are banned. So if you obtain one of them, you must reload until you get a different
type of result. Remember that once you upload save and ss ,they're to be considered final (it means you cannot replay the save changing the battles you fought due to agreements reached after the save has been posted)
- Turns must be played within your time schedule. No extension will be granted for no reason . If you can't play your turn, pls organize your subbing or you might be skipped. A player who fail to play twice in a row without explanation might be substituted.
-Delays: players who play who takes more than 20 minutes (and if it's not skipped) from the time-slot of the next player (the one published it here) will be fined with: 2k, if the faction has 5 or less than 5 regions., 5k if the faction has 15 or less regions, 10k if the faction has 25 or less regions, 15k if the faction has more than 25 regions. Half of such fine will be refund to the player who was subtracted the money, if he still manages to play his turn within his time schedule .

- Notify next player who comes after your turn by post message or leaving message on message board!

Battle Rules:

- Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list.
Beware: -Defeated army's rule only applies to armies which should have lost mov.points.
- Its ALLOWED to use siege weapons to attack city straight away instead of waiting siege equipment to construct.Siege equipment must be shown on a battle proof image.
- All Player vs Player battles must be auto-resolved. Battles against AI can be played. Note: Screenshots (of battles against humans) are to be posted as evidence of auto-resolve.(The Odds and Results windows must not be edited in any way. Editing out Map info, Cash, and any Units/Agents/Regions not involved in the attack is fine). Composition of the army must not be edited and being visible.
- No surrounding enemy armies with one or few units stack armies, solely to deny any survivors a retreat. Blocks of landbridges ,bridges or similar, to cut the retreat is allowed (only in regions that were yours at the start of your turn)
if not in contact with the enemy army (which means the red zone around the enemy army)
-No attacking ships inside a port.You cannot leave a blocked port without fighting the enemy ships first. Exception: If a player keeps an army inside a fleet inside a port,
other players are allowed to attack that fleet even if it's inside a port (if you don't know how, ask Invicta). If the army in the fleet inside the port, is a defeated army, it can't be attacked until the defeated army will be allowed to move .
-you can build only one fort per region max (it is meant per faction, so if faction A built a fort in region 1 ,also faction B can build his fort in the same region, but if a faction A also occupy the fort of faction B then it needs to leave one fort free).
-"You cannot sally out from your settlement/fort, or attack the army besieging your settlement/fort if the result is a defeat" .No exception.
- Settlements outside the RED line on the map (look at the post below) can be captured and must be gave away within 3 turns . You can sack the settlement (no extermination and no destroying building. This is to keep the AI factions as a competitive threat), but it has to be gifted (you can't take money for it)
- You can't besiege a settlement/fort to prevent the garrison to reinforce an army next to it.
- You cannot besiege a settlement/fort to prevent an enemy army to retreat inside the settlement/fort, while rather having the enemy army retreat next to the fort/settlement and attack it again to lure out the army
outside the fort-settlement
-you can't purposely lure out an ambushed army if the result of the battle is a defeat.

Crusades and Jihads Rules:

-Crusade/Jihads can be called only from turn 8 and onward.
- Crusades can be called by all non-excommunicated Catholic factions with a vote system. As soon as a Crusade will be available,
any catholic faction ,which has not been excommunicated can call the vote. Once the vote is called and the possible targets made public,
each player must send within 24 hrs his target choice to the admin (so that no one take advantage from knowing other players choices).
Each vote will count as many points as how much Papal favor that faction will have at the mement of the vote.
Once the target has been decided the crusade will be called by the faction with most papal favor points. If more than one have the most papal favor points,
than the crusade will be called by the one who is closer to come next in the turn order.
-Jihads: whenever a Jihad is available to be called, any Muslim faction can ask to have it called. However it will be the faction with the imam with the highest piety to call it,
and decide the target. If 2 or more Muslim factions have their best imam with the same level of piety, it will be the one with the second best imam to call it..and so on.
- Only 1 army per faction is allowed to join in a crusade/Jihad,No MORE!
- No crusade or Jihads abuse. Only the crusade/jihad target is allowed to be attacked.No joining a Crusade or a Jihad to get units or movement points and then leaving the invasion.Once you join in crusade or jihad you MUST go all the way to the crusade or jihads target and attempt to capture it. Armies or forts of the enemy target can be attacked if on the way to the crusade/jihad target (They must really be on your way to the target, and they should represent a real obstacle or threat to the crusade/jihad army . You can't use them for instance, to break a siege on one of your cities)
- Crusade and Jihad armies cannot be used to fight each others.
-Crusade/Jihads cannot be called against Orthodox and Pagans factions .
Once a Crusade/Jihad target is named, you cannot:
-give away the target-settlement to any other faction.
-the garrison in the targeted settlement can't be moved (the faction has the duty of defend the settlement, not to leave it undefended, like it would have happened in the real world)
-make any deal with the Pope until the Crusade/Jihad ends .
-Assasinate the Pope (valid for any faction) until the crusade ends.



Agents Rules:

-Agents can perform any action within their capablities as long as they have 60% of chances (ss can be sent to the admin if you want to kep secret your doing). SS of spies opening the gate (you need 2 at least) are required to be posted always. Assassins exception: assassins cannot kill family member (generals can be always killed)
Assassins exception: assassins can kill other assassins with 30% (or above) chances.
- Spies aren't allowed to spread plague in any case not matter what.
-If someone take a settlement in which you had spies (whether it was your or not) previously infiltrated, and you intend to conquer it, you still need to take out of the settlements the spies to prove you have the 60% of chances of infiltrating in the turn you're going to conquer it .
- Each faction cannot recruit more than a assassin every 25 regions owned. So to recruit the second assassin you'd need to own 26 regions or more. For the third
51 or more and so on.. If you have 26 regions recruit a second assassin, and after some turns the number of regions decrease to 25 or less you must immediately suicide
one of the assassins.
- No exploiting merchants in the form of merchant stack - (Putting several
merchants in an army or fort/military-unit securing a resource).
-All the agents rules are applicable against both, humans and AI: please respect them
-Agents cannot push other merchants off of a resource (rule added the 18/8/14 )
Buildings Rules:

- Only Inns/Guilds are allowed to be destroyed
- If a settlement is under siege then it is NOT ALLOWED to destroy any buildings in the settlement.
- You are not allowed to exterminate a settlement in the map . This is because it will destroy many buildings in the settlement(Possibly downgrade a settlement). This is also valid against the AI.


Diplomacy rules

-No taking money or regions from the AI. No exceptions.
-No allying Pope
-No giving provinces in war zone to a faction controlled by the AI (it means regions bordering-by land- with a faction you're at war with).It's ok giving it to a human-controlled faction.
-Any new player taking command of a faction previously held by another player cannot attack a faction he's officially allied with for at least 5 turns, or until the allies of that faction break the deal.
- Any regions that are gifted, sold, traded with another Faction must have all units except one disbanded immediately!
-Is not allowed to vassalage AI factions
-Faction Suicide is illegal. Anyone suspecting someone else trying to commit suicide or not playing to the best of his abilities must report it to an admin immediately. Any party involved in the splitting up or taking advantage of such game play will be fined accordingly.
-when a new player joins, he need tor respect his official (it means made public in the thread with the terms of such agreements and posted in the 2nd post of the thread under the appropriate section) alliances and NAPs for at least 2 turns. The same apply to existing players in regard of the new player. The rule doesn't apply if one of the 2 factions in question, had already a change of player in the last 3 turns (and as such already observed the forced period peace in the last 2 turns).
-Lifting siege through diploamcy: if you have besieged a settlement, and your enemy allies during his turn with one of your allies, the siege will be lifted (since peace between you and your enemy will be enforced). This is allowed. So beware who you ally with,
-Diplomatic deals and loss of reputation: you can accuse of betrayal only when a player betrays an official deal. Deals made in secrecy, cannot be mentioned in the thread. So basically if you make a deal in secrecy with another faction, and that faction betrays you,
you can't denounce him in public. This way we can create a big distinction between official and shady diplomacy. If you break this rule, you'll be subject to a fine of 10k minimum , and the same amount will be given to the player whom reputation has been damaged.

Bugs/Exploits:
The mov.bugs cannot be used. All bugs in general are banned unless explicitly allowed.


When discrepancies will arise or aspects not covered by the rules above, the Admin on its total own discretion will rule out about such cases.
If you believe someone might have broken the rules, you should not post it publicly! Pm first to the admins who will first investigate on the matter.
If the breaking of the rules is confirmed, then it'll be the admin to report it publicly along with the appropriate fine/punishment.

sonnet
21/06/14, 07:26
Officia Diplomatic deals & Reputation
The list of unreliable players.
Basically whoever breaks an official agreement, will be put in the list of unreliable players for the next 10 turns.
During such period other players are entitled to break/betray their official agreements with the unreliable players without losing reputation.
This because if you becomes unreliable, your word won't be iron any more,and other player will have the right to doubt your will to honor the agreements you signed with them. Once the 10 turns passes, everything get reset, and it'll be back to work like before the player lost his reputation.
Beware: that would apply only to agreements signed before the players became unreliable. If you signed an agreement after the counterpart became unreliable, you'll lose your reputation
if you break it. This because you knew already before signing the deal that the player was unreliable.
If the player, who became unreliable , will keep respecting all the other agreements for the next 10 turns after he became unreliable, then he'll be removed from the unreliable list.

Breaking honorably the alliances.
Most of alliances do not have an expiration date. In such cases, to breaking it honourably without losing reputation, the player needs to officially notify in the thread that he's breaking the alliance and to not attack his ex-ally for the next
3 turns (this means that the ex-ally has to play at least 3 turns, after you notified him officially in the thread , before attacking him without losing reputation and become unreliable).

2 allies going to war one against the other:
If 2 allies of a faction gets into war each other (example Aragon allied to Castille and France, and France attacks Castille), then the player (in the example Aragon) is exempted from honoring the alliance with the attacking ally (France). But he needs to declare publicly (within one turn since the conflict broke started )that he intends to break the alliance with the attacking ally, if he decides to side with the ally who has been attacked (in the example Castille).
If he decides to side with the attacking ally, then he would still need to wait 6 turns (after he breaks officially the alliance with the attacked ally) if he doesn't want to lose his reputation.

NAPs: breaking the NAP with a faction who attacked your ally
NAPs are meant to be respected even if the other side attacks one of your allies (unless not attacking a certain
faction is part of the NAP agreement ). If the faction you have the NAP with, attacks your ally (he needs to be your official ally before the conflict began), to not loose your reputation you should announce (within one turn since the conflict started ) the breaking of the NAP ,3 turns in advance (which means that you can attack the other player only 3 turns after you announced the breaking of the NAP.

Note: it is intended that when you announce about breaking a NAP or an Alliance, the first to be allowed to attack without losing reputation will be the other side. Example: if TO decide to break a NAP with Venice (who comes after TO in the turns order) and announce it on turn 85 after Venice has already played its turn, then Venice will be allowed to attack TO -without losing reputation- on its turn 89, and TO on its turn 90.

Note 2: you can honorably break your NAP with the 3 turns notice, only if your ally is the one who has been attacked first (which means the faction you have the NAP made the first attack. Beware: the only way to be considered attacked is where either the faction has been physically attacked -like a ship/army/settlement being attacked- or territory transgression -mean the army of the faction you have a NAP with- entered the territory of your ally.This is the only way in which you ally can declare of being attacked while actually having launched the attack first. Water transgression is not a justification, as also thing like spies, or finding assassins in your lands, or siege weapons in reach of your settlements unless specified in your agreements

Succession to the throne:
When a player leaves and it's replaced by another player, the new ruler might re-evaluate if respecting the old
deals or not without being put in the player's blacklist. But unless he declares within the first turn (it means before he plays his second save in the campaign) that he intends to respect all the official deals signed by the predecessor, then also the other factions that have deals with it, can rescind unilaterally the deal without any consequences on the reputation with immediate effect.
The realm will be put in the "Unreliable Crowns" list for 2 turns during which the other factions (the with which the crown intends to keep the old agreement) can evaluate whether to keep or not the deals with it.

Alliances:

King of England Emproment and the Holy Emperor Tonno, signed an alliance on the anno domini 1263 (turn 44)

Kyrali Lord Luka and the Roi Jiub, signed an alliance on the anno domini 1264 (turn 45)

El Doxe Core-i7-inside and the Roi Jiub, signed an alliance on the anno domini 1264 (turn 45)

Kyrali Lord Luka and the El Doxe Core-i7-inside , signed an alliance on the anno domini 1264 (turn 45)

Rey Auran and Caliph ebs signed an alliance on the anno domini 1271 (turn8)

NAP

Sultan sonnet and Kiraly Lord Luka signed a NAP agreement of 32 years, which will be expired by the anno domini 1296 (2 turn forced peace + 30 turns NAP).

Sultan sonnet and Roi Jiub signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1296 (2 turns peace + 30 turns NAP) Options: OI

Sultan sonnet and Hochmeister Vipman signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1296 (2 turns peace + 30 turns NAP)

Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar and Hochmeister Vipman signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1296 (2 turns peace + 30 turns NAP)

Kaiser Tonno and Hochmeister Vipman signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1306 (2 turns peace + 40 turns NAP)

Sultan sonnet and King Emproment signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1296 (2 turns peace + 30 turns NAP)

Sultan sonnet and Velikiy Knyaz Makrell signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1291 (2 turns peace + 25 turns NAP)

Kiraly Lord Luka and Velikiy Knyaz Makrell signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1286 (2 turns peace + 20 turns NAP)

Kiraly Lord Luka and the Hochmeister Vipman signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1296 (2 turns peace + 30 turns NAP)

Rey Auran and El Doxe Core-i7-inside signed a 10 years peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1284 (10 turns NAP signed on turn 54)

Velikiy Knyaz Makrell and the Hochmeister Vipman signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1297 (2 turns peace + 31 turns NAP)

Roi Jiuband King Emproment signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1288 (10 turns NAP)

Black List of unreliable Rulers

El Doxe Core-i7-inside broke the NAP he signed with the Kaiser Tonno on year 1265 (turn 3) Expired on turn 13

Roi Jiub broke the NAP he signed with the Kaiser Tonno on year 1265 (turn 3)
Expired on turn 13
Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar broke the NAP he signed with the Kaiser Tonno on year 1266 (turn 4)- period extended up to turn 18 as Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar broke the NAP signed with England

Sultan sonnet broke the NAP he signed with the Caliph dur3x on year 1266 (turn 4) Expired on turn 14

Kyrali Lord Luka broke the NAP he signed with the Kaiser Tonno (succeeded by King Emproment) on year 1272 (turn 9/54)
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Black List of unreliable Crowns

-Anno Domini 1249 : New Rey of Castille Auran cancelled the NAP with the Moors.



Major HS Events


Anno domini 1265 :War! Venice declared war on HRE on year 1265 (turn 3)
Soon after Roi Jiub and Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar backed Venice, by attacking the Imperial and the English crown. Peace has been settled between France and England on the year 1278 (turn 14)

Anno domini 1265: War! Rey yuonyuon declared war on the Caliph of the Moors ebs, Sultan sonnet declared in response war on Castille, all on year 1265 (turn 3) Peace settled on turn 6

Anno domini 1271: War! Rey Auran declared war on the Roi of France on Roi Jiub (turn 8)

Anno domini 1271: War! Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar declared war on the King of England Emproment (turn 8)

Anno domini 1265 :War! Turkish Sultanate declared war on Egypt on year 1266 (turn 4)
Soon after shah LooseCannon1 backed Egypt, and invaded the Turkish Sultanate. Peace was settled with Egypt on the year 1268 (turn 4)
and with the Persian Empire on the year 1279 (turn 15).



Expired or Broken NAP

[B]Sultan sonnet and the Sultan dur3x signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1291 (2 turns forced peace + 25 turns NAP) broken by Sultan sonnet on year 1267 (turn 4)

Kaiser Tonno and Kiraly Lord Luka signed a NAP agreement of 32 years, which will be expired by the anno domini 1296 (2 turn forced peace + 30 turns NAP). broken by Kyrali Lord Luka on turn 53

Kaiser Tonno and Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar signed a NAP agreement of 12 years, which will be expired by the anno domini 1276 (2 turn forced peace + 10 turns NAP).
Broken by Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar on year 1265

Kaiser Tonno and [B]El Doxe Core-i7-inside signed a NAP agreement of 42 years, which will be expired by the anno domini 1306 (2 turn forced peace + 40 turns NAP). Deal has been broken by the Doxe Core-i7-inside

Kaiser Tonno and Roi Jiub signed a NAP agreement of 42 years, which will be expired by the anno domini 1306 (2 turn forced peace + 40 turns NAP).
Broken by Roi Jiub on year 1265

Sultan sonnet and the Shah LooseCannon1 signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1286 (2 turns peace + 20 turns NAP)broken by the Shah LooseCannon1 while Sultan Sonnet was in the unreliable list

Konge Gaius Octavius Caesar and [B]King Emproment signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1276 (2 turns peace + 10 turns NAP) broken by Konge @Gaius Octavious Caesar on anno domini 1271

Roi Jiuband [B]King Emproment signed a peace agreement which will be expired by the anno domini 1286 (2 turns peace + 20 turns NAP) broken by Roi Jiub on anno domini 1267 (turn 3)





Legend:

OI= off-instantly. If this option is present it means that the NAP/Alliance will be cancelled immediately (without giving the 3 turn notice), if some one of the allies of the 2 party involved is attacked. The party who wants to break the alliance/NAP still have to announce his will to break the NAP/Alliance within 1 turn, or else the player will end up in the black-list.

OtAatMoStD: Only-the-allies-at-the-moment-of-signing-the-deal. If this option is present, it means that one of the 2 parties can break the alliance or NAP only if it has been attacked one of the Allies who were already allied officially at the moment of signing the NAP/Alliance.
Otherwise, by default, is intended that even future alliances will be taken into consideration. But in any case, it won't be taken into a consideration an alliance formed after the conflict started (Example: if A & B sign a NAP, and then B attack C, and few turns later C sign an Alliance with A, A can't break honorably the NAP with B, since he signed the alliance when B was already at war with C)

Military-access: Military-access. Whether it's a NAP or an Alliance, if this option is present, it means that both the factions have military access on the lands of the other party. If this option is present, when the deal (NAP or alliance) is broken, if armies of one party are present on the other faction's lands it must be given 3 turns to leave the lands. 3 turns won't be enforced if the OI (off-istant) option is present.

sonnet
21/06/14, 07:27
Political Map Updates
Conquerable Area-the whole map is conquerable

Map Turn 45
https://s9.postimg.org/ax61dfyz3/T44.jpg

Map Turn 50
13752
Map Turn 60
14567
Player's turn schedule:
B]The new schedule[/B]
day 1:(Tuesday and Friday) [00:00-13:00] Venice core7-inside [08:00-21:00, time in Bangkok]
[13:00-16:30] Norway @Gaius Octavianus [15:00-19:00,time in Bucharest]
[16:30-20:00] Kiev Makrell [17:30-21:00, Time in Oslo ]
[20:00-00:00] Moors puddingkip (prev Ebs from turn 1-10) [21:00-01:00, +1 GMT Time]
[00:00-13:00] Kwarezm Core-i7-inside (prev-LooseCannon1 until turn 5, from turn 5-11 Dr Mac,yuonyuon-turn 12-14 ) [08:00-21:00, time in Bangkok]

day 2:(Wednesday & Saturday)[13:00-16:00] Turks sonnet
[16:00-19:00] Fatmid Tonno (Dur3x turn 1-5) [17:00-20:00, time in Zagreb]]
[19:00-23:00] Castille dur3x (prev-Yuonyuon turn 01-05, Auran turn 06-14 ) [21:00-01:00, time in Bucharest]
[23:00-10:00] England Emproment

day 3:(Thursday and Sunday)
[10:00-15:30] France Jiub [12:00-18:00,time in Bucharest]
[16:00-19:30] Hungary Lord Luka [17:00-20:30,time in
[19:30-24:00] TO Vipman [21:30-01:00,time in Bucharest]

Factions official subbers:

TO (Vipman) : puddingkip
Venice (Core-i7-inside) : Gaius Octavius Caesar
Norway (Gaius Octavius Caesar ): Core-i7-inside
Kiev (Makrell) : Gaius Octavius Caesar
Moors (puddingkip) : Vipman
Kwarezm (Yuonyuon) :
Turks (Sonnet) : Emproment
Fatimids (Tonno): Vipman
Castille (Auran) : Tonno
England (Emproment)/HRE : sonnet
France (Jiub) : Lord Luka
Hungary (Lord Luka) : Jiub

Emproment
02/07/14, 23:36
England and HRE have declared allegiance to each other.

Tonno
03/07/14, 19:05
Emperor of Rome and German people made peace with the Great Hungarian Kingdom and to the delight of both people, King and the Emperor made a NAP that will last for 30 years.

Myth
03/07/14, 21:17
I started numbering from turn 1 in the save file name just to keep track of the actual turns played. The naming is game name - turn number - faction name (since the factions change more times than the turn number)

TO is up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10620) Vipman
sonnet i need a list of players and their associated factions please.

Turn 44 map:

https://s9.postimg.org/ax61dfyz3/T44.jpg

sonnet
03/07/14, 21:26
I started numbering from turn 1 in the save file name just to keep track of the actual turns played. The naming is game name - turn number - faction name (since the factions change more times than the turn number)

TO is up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10620) Vipman
sonnet i need a list of players and their associated factions please.

Turn 44 map:

https://s9.postimg.org/ax61dfyz3/T44.jpg

Thanks Myth, I put the time schedule with players list on the third post of this thread

Tonno
03/07/14, 21:43
Let's kick it off!
Good luck and have fun! :D

Gaius Octavius Caesar
03/07/14, 21:54
HRE and Norway have agreed a 10 turn NAP. :bow:

Vipman
03/07/14, 21:55
Whooaa that was unexpected... Ok then :)

May I suggest to change the naming of the save? It's easier to have it as RC_Faction_1 , because each player will always have a certain faction after them, so they just name it once, then next turn when saving the game they select the RC_Faction_1 , press backspace and write 2 then double enter to save. If turn number would be in the middle it will take more time until you select the middle of the name. Also, we all on TWC do it like this :P

sonnet
03/07/14, 22:03
Whooaa that was unexpected... Ok then :)

May I suggest to change the naming of the save? It's easier to have it as RC_Faction_1 , because each player will always have a certain faction after them, so they just name it once, then next turn when saving the game they select the RC_Faction_1 , press backspace and write 2 then double enter to save. If turn number would be in the middle it will take more time until you select the middle of the name. Also, we all on TWC do it like this :P
Sure, yu can change it for the next player.
Now, c'mon lets play it and don't you dare to go to sleep without having played the turn first! :laugh4:

Vipman
03/07/14, 22:11
Yes I will play it tonight, unfortunately for my sleep I've been doing some modding right now as I wasn't expecting anything to happen tonight and I have to finish it, then I'll play the turn.

Tonno
03/07/14, 23:11
Yes I will play it tonight, unfortunately for my sleep I've been doing some modding right now as I wasn't expecting anything to happen tonight and I have to finish it, then I'll play the turn.

Axe reports in... SLEEP IS FOR THE WEEK!

Myth
03/07/14, 23:27
I slept 4.5 hours last night and still went to work and to the gym afterwards. Be real Spartans and play :laugh4:

But FYI I'm joining the next game. I want to try you guys on the battlefield :ave:

sonnet
03/07/14, 23:51
I slept 4.5 hours last night and still went to work and to the gym afterwards. Be real Spartans and play :laugh4:

But FYI I'm joining the next game. I want to try you guys on the battlefield :ave:

Myth: if you're interested in Europa Barbarorum II, there's a chance (depending on how good will be the mod with the first open beta) that I'll start a HS with that one in August.

Vipman
04/07/14, 01:20
Core-i7-inside
Venice up http://www.mediafire.com/download/wgoblo3ggu80uqx/RC_Venice_1.rar

Did they say the mod will support hotseating?

Core-i7-inside
04/07/14, 07:23
@Gaius Octavius Caesar
Norway up https://www.mediafire.com/?5048wtywg88jzj7

Myth
04/07/14, 07:30
Core-i7-inside
Venice up http://www.mediafire.com/download/wgoblo3ggu80uqx/RC_Venice_1.rar

Did they say the mod will support hotseating?

It's a M2TW mod so I don't see why it wouldn't. The team is right here on the .org, I think we should ask.

Gaius Octavius Caesar
04/07/14, 07:45
@Gaius Octavius Caesar
Norway up https://www.mediafire.com/?5048wtywg88jzj7

Ill do my turn after work, aprox 7 hours from now

Tonno
04/07/14, 10:00
Emperor of Rome and German people made a NAP with the Dodge of Venice that will last for 40 years. Let the people of both nations prosper in this great time.

sonnet
04/07/14, 10:12
Emperor of Rome and German people made a NAP with the Dodge of Venice that will last for 40 years. Let the people of both nations prosper in this great time.

It seems that the Fake Emperor is quite active on the diplomatic side
(yesh I have been active too :sweatdrop:)

Core-i7-inside
04/07/14, 10:33
It seems that the Fake Emperor is quite active on the diplomatic side
(yesh I have been active too :sweatdrop:)

It seems another fake emperor has something on his mind. :rolleyes:
Speak it out! The Venetian is listening.

Tonno
04/07/14, 10:34
It seems that the Fake Emperor is quite active on the diplomatic side
(yesh I have been active too :sweatdrop:)

There's only one true Emperor, the given title remained in the hands of German people since the crowning of Frankish king in the 800, the Byz crown was never given to them by the people of Rome, or their representatives, the Church. The myth of saint Andrew doesn't give any rule to the Byz patriarch... he's about to case to exist, pretty soon.
So by the right of the succession the German Emperor have all that is needed for reinstatement of the great Roman empire... but this time under German people. And war is not the only type of coming to power, politics, that's the key that true Romans use.

sonnet
04/07/14, 10:40
There's only one true Emperor, the given title remained in the hands of German people since the crowning of Frankish king in the 800, the Byz crown was never given to them by the people of Rome, or their representatives, the Church. The myth of saint Andrew doesn't give any rule to the Byz patriarch... he's about to case to exist, pretty soon.
So by the right of the succession the German Emperor have all that is needed for reinstatement of the great Roman empire... but this time under German people. And war is not the only type of coming to power, politics, that's the key that true Romans use.

You call yourself Holy Roman Emperor..yet you admit you're German.
And you don't even control Rome!

How can you call yourself Holy Roman Emperor without being laughed at?
Change your name in Emperor of the Barbarians!

Look at the Sultan Invicta, also nicknamed by the Eastern Romans, the illuminatus. He brings to all of you barbarians, all the advanced technology from China,Persia and India.
You should be thankful to us for bringing to you such knowledge,improving your miserable lives.
So be thankful, and give me all your lands, because it's evident I'd be a better ruler than you ever would be!

Tonno
04/07/14, 10:42
You call yourself Holy Roman Emperor..yet you admit you're German.
And you don't even control Rome!

How can you call yourself Holy Roman Emperor without being laughed at?

In time, the Turks will be informed of everything, no need to jump into conclusions.

sonnet
04/07/14, 11:21
In time, the Turks will be informed of everything, no need to jump into conclusions.

How much time...?:rolleyes:

Gaius Octavius Caesar
04/07/14, 13:28
My first quest is to unite Scandinavia, my men knows my ambition, they dont call me King Ragnar for nothing.

King Eystein 'Ragnar' Tjorvason

----
Kiev next
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjOIK7GgpuRWThWWUN2a2Yzajg/edit

Myth
04/07/14, 17:48
FYI guys Charlemagne was Frankish. I've read Einhard's and Notker's accounts of his life :laugh4: He waged a 50 year war to subjugate the entirety of eastern Francia (Germany).

sonnet
04/07/14, 17:55
FYI guys Charlemagne was Frankish. I've read Einhard's and Notker's accounts of his life :laugh4: He waged a 50 year war to subjugate the entirety of eastern Francia (Germany).

AFAIk Franks were germans indeed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks

Or propbably I misundestood your point :sweatdrop:

LooseCannon1
04/07/14, 18:54
I slept 4.5 hours last night and still went to work and to the gym afterwards. Be real Spartans and play :laugh4:

But FYI I'm joining the next game. I want to try you guys on the battlefield :ave:
Oh, is the :on_bash: that SilverSheild and I are applying in CoG3 not enough? No problem, I've got 4 fresh, full stacks coming out of Norway for you. I wish you and NB would talk more in the thread. I really don't know how many fireworks to bring :tnt: for the next turn.

Makrell
04/07/14, 20:32
I cant load the save, but i doubble checked my settings(they are correct) and SS 6.4

sonnet
04/07/14, 20:38
I cant load the save, but i doubble checked my settings(they are correct) and SS 6.4
Makrell
I tried it and it seems to load it (at least I get to the screen in which I should insert the password, which means everything should be fine).
Given that already other 3 players, the admin (since he made the save) and now mecan load it I think we can assume the issue has to be with your configuration.

Although I have no idea what that could be.
Maybe you can try to reinstall the mod? What error do you get?
o you get the loading screen without actually loading?
ebs Tonno LooseCannon1 yuonyuon Emproment Lord Luka Jiub dur3x please try one of the saves posted by the players in this thread, and see if you can get to the password screen: this way we can solve you issue (if you have any) before your turn actually come up.

Makrell
04/07/14, 20:43
Makrell
I tried it and it seems to load it (at least I get to the screen in which I should insert the password, which means everything should be fine).
Given that already other 3 players, the admin (since he made the save) and now mecan load it I think we can assume the issue has to be with your configuration.

Although I have no idea what that could be.
Maybe you can try to reinstall the mod? What error do you get?
o you get the loading screen without actually loading?
I get the loading screen, but then it returns to main menu. I play in other HSes just fine, with no problemo, so i doubt it is my install.

It is fixed, it was a faulty download

Moors are up, kiev seeks the best path towards the future, the rus will rise as russians here.

Tonno
04/07/14, 20:47
I get the loading screen, but then it returns to main menu. I play in other HSes just fine, with no problemo, so i doubt it is my install.

Had the same problem... had to reinstal and allow access to the files (they explaind it in the SS forums), so maybe you should do the second one.

EDIT
Works all fine with me.

sonnet
04/07/14, 20:48
I get the loading screen, but then it returns to main menu. I play in other HSes just fine, with no problemo, so i doubt it is my install. Makrell
If after the loading screen you get to the main menu it means there's a mismatch between your configuration and the one set by the admin.
Vipman,Gaius Octavius and Core-i7 and me have no problem with it.

Just make a quick check: run the setup.exe and select "Late era, and check the 'diable real recruitment' and "savage ai" boxes. and then try to load the game again.
If that doesn't work , then maybe try to follow Tonno sugegstion

Myth
04/07/14, 21:59
LooseCannon1 well you guys killed a lot of armies and fleets, mostly mine. But I'm playing offensively since there is little room to expand for my faction. I'm prepared to throw some armies away for now, since we're still fighting near Rome.

Vipman
04/07/14, 22:00
No because of the .cfg settings if it were different settings in SS launcher it would only have gave CTD. Getting back to menu is result of a corrupt save/download indeed. Guys Makrell edited the post in case you didn't see.

sonnet
04/07/14, 22:03
LooseCannon1 well you guys killed a lot of armies and fleets, mostly mine. But I'm playing offensively since there is little room to expand for my faction. I'm prepared to throw some armies away for now, since we're still fighting near Rome.
Myth too bad you don't post map updates in your HS: it makes very interesting for readers to watch how things evolve.

ebs
04/07/14, 23:39
Next Persians : http://www.mediafire.com/download/4nadau8nz06tb38/RC_Persians_1.sav

Tonno
04/07/14, 23:45
I love the smell of working hotseat!

sonnet
04/07/14, 23:46
I love the smell of working hotseat!

And how does it smells exactly :laugh4: ?

Tonno
04/07/14, 23:59
And how does it smells exactly :laugh4: ?

Like red... :D

LooseCannon1
05/07/14, 02:02
Emperor of Rome made a NAP with the Dodge of Venice that will last for 40 years. A forty year Fiat?also known as Fix It Again, TonyThe Padishah Emperor wishes to remind the leaders of his Great Houses that they are still his subjects and can call themselves whatever they wish to call themselves. But do not incur his wrath. The Sardaukar are busy cleaning the Dasht-e Kavir of barbarians but will soon be finished.






https://www.mediafire.com/?6n8mb918w4nfza6

Core-i7-inside
05/07/14, 03:16
A forty year Fiat?

How does making a nap related too an automobile company ? ~:confused:

sonnet
05/07/14, 10:03
Bloodshed

The Sultan Invicta found an empire full of debts (I guess due to the skipping to turn 45) : no doubt though we will get out form the financial hole in the next seasons.
It's time to reform the kingdom and bring prosperity and peace. Population is tired and unhappy of the many conflicts and the bloodshed.
Unfortunately the Eastern Romans didn't want hear anything about peace and laid siege on Kutaisi.
Regretfully the Sultan was forced to retaliate attacking Constantinople and besieging Canakkale.

Also the infidel Crusades are advancing with their best army into our lands. It seems that we're the only one seeking peace.
For such reason we couldn't let those warmonger to keep Antioch any longer. Death is what they deserves.
Hopefully the Fatimid will share the same opinion as our.



Jihad armies were disbanded as first thing and used the armies in Nicaea to Take Constantinople.
Taking Constantinople with non-jihad armies cancelled the Jihad.

https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand28_zps691209c5.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand28_zps691209c5.png.html)
https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand29_zpsfcf46a17.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand29_zpsfcf46a17.png.html)

https://www.mediafire.com/?cc06f62h17tccfn

Gaius Octavius Caesar
05/07/14, 11:23
Bloodshed

The Sultan Invicta found an empire full of debts (I guess due to the skipping to turn 45) : no doubt though we will get out form the financial hole in the next seasons.
It's time to reform the kingdom and bring prosperity and peace. Population is tired and unhappy of the many conflicts and the bloodshed.
Unfortunately the Eastern Romans didn't want hear anything about peace and laid siege on Kutaisi.
Regretfully the Sultan was forced to retaliate attacking Constantinople and besieging Canakkale.

Also the infidel Crusades are advancing with their best army into our lands. It seems that we're the only one seeking peace.
For such reason we couldn't let those warmonger to keep Antioch any longer. Death is what they deserves.
Hopefully the Fatimid will share the same opinion as our.



Jihad armies were disbanded as first thing and used the armies in Nicaea to Take Constantinople.
Taking Constantinople with non-jihad armies cancelled the Jihad.

https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand28_zps691209c5.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand28_zps691209c5.png.html)
https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand29_zpsfcf46a17.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand29_zpsfcf46a17.png.html)

https://www.mediafire.com/?cc06f62h17tccfn

Sultan Invicta sonnet , by sacking Constantinopole, one of the most important city of Christianity, you re gonna get a big finance boost.
Where are the defenders of our faith, closing their eyes when you and your barbarians are pillaging Europe.

sonnet
05/07/14, 11:32
Sultan Invicta sonnet , by sacking Constantinopole, one of the most important city of Christianity, you re gonna get a big finance boost.
Where are the defenders of our faith, closing their eyes when you and your barbarians are pillaging Europe.

You're mistaken, Konge "Ragnar" (Gaius Octavius Caesar ).
The city was left mostly untouched and we didn't pillage the city and their citizens.
The citizens suffered enough and Sultan Invicta had pity of them
On the contrary, the citizens acclaimed our Sultan, as enlightened ruler.
People wants peace and prosperity, and barbarian ruler like you, who share only one thing in their mind -war-, won't bring any happiness
in this world.
Can't you hear it? Even your subjects are crying the name of our sultan hoping that one day he'll come to liberate them from your oppressive ruling!

13522

yuonyuon
05/07/14, 11:32
Sultan Invicta sonnet , by sacking Constantinopole, one of the most important city of Christianity, you re gonna get a big finance boost.
Where are the defenders of our faith, closing their eyes when you and your barbarians are pillaging Europe.don t trust him. he just pretend he is weak.

Gaius Octavius Caesar
05/07/14, 12:07
You're mistaken, Konge "Ragnar" (Gaius Octavius Caesar ).
The city was left mostly untouched and we didn't pillage the city and their citizens.
The citizens suffered enough and Sultan Invicta had pity of them
On the contrary, the citizens acclaimed our Sultan, as enlightened ruler.
People wants peace and prosperity, and barbarian ruler like you, who share only one thing in their mind -war-, won't bring any happiness
in this world.
Can't you hear it? Even your subjects are crying the name of our sultan hoping that one day he'll come to liberate them from your oppressive ruling!

13522

I doubt that, Sultan Invicta!( sonnet) What it will happen with all the christians who will not embrace your religion, islam. Asia Minor is a very good example, once populated by christian greeks and romans..
You claim you bring peace but what we see is war against our fellow christians, Templars of Jerusalem and Greeks.

Unlike you, we are not barbarians. Yes, our viking legacy is still strong but the pagan days are long gone. My men will rather die than accept you as their Sultan and your religion.

Konge Ragnar of Norway

Tonno
05/07/14, 13:02
Glorious day for all German people, and the Emperor hopes that the same delight can be seen on the French soil as well. The two great nations signed a peace treaty that is followed with a NAP that will last for a whole generation, 40 years of prosperity.

And while the Emperor celebrated, the heir to the Crown received frightening message from the east, the Muslim invaders move again. This time both into the Europe and into the Christian Levant. Christianity in the East is in danger, the Church is not acting, and the Kings are not united... or maybe?

sonnet
05/07/14, 13:05
Glorious day for all German people, and the Emperor hopes that the same delight can be seen on the French soil as well. The two great nations signed a peace treaty that is followed with a NAP that will last for a whole generation, 40 years of prosperity.

And while the Emperor celebrated, the heir to the Crown received frightening message from the east, the Muslim invaders move again. This time both into the Europe and into the Christian Levant. Christianity in the East is in danger, the Church is not acting, and the Kings are not united... or maybe?

I smell some plotting here.. :dizzy2:

LooseCannon1
05/07/14, 13:07
How does making a nap related too an automobile company ? ~:confused:

Sigh
The leader of Venice is titled Doge D-O-G-E.:book2: You said you wanted to be a Dodge :laugh4: That's a car division of Chyrsler Group, LLC which is owned by Fiat SpA, which is famous here in America for their lack of quality.


And by the way. :welcomeback: We thought you died:on_surprise: and gone on to "not playing hotseats heaven".

dur3x
05/07/14, 14:19
Castile up !

https://www.mediafire.com/?oyfcywmorjbxj2e

Core-i7-inside
05/07/14, 17:13
Sigh
The leader of Venice is titled Doge D-O-G-E.:book2: You said you wanted to be a Dodge :laugh4: That's a car division of Chyrsler Group, LLC which is owned by Fiat SpA, which is famous here in America for their lack of quality.


And by the way. :welcomeback: We thought you died:on_surprise: and gone on to "not playing hotseats heaven".

I get it. lol
Nowadays, heaven has internet. So, I'm back. XD

Gaius Octavius Caesar
05/07/14, 17:49
The Kingdom of Norway and the Teutonic Order have agreed a 30 year non-agression pact.

yuonyuon
05/07/14, 20:06
ohh crap! is my turn .

invicta why you have 12 hours and i have 4??

anyway i will do my turn in time ,

sonnet
05/07/14, 20:25
ohh crap! is my turn .

invicta why you have 12 hours and i have 4??

anyway i will do my turn in time ,
12 hours? Can't you read the timetables? My time-frame is of 6 hours 06-12.
And your turn came available 6 hours ago (so taday you have had up to 9 hours..)..

Why do I have 6 hours and you have 4?
Because no one wanted them. You have less because you're one of the few who get exactly the 4 hours we asked for. Why me and someone else (like Tonno) didn't get the evening? Because we adapted. And here I thought I would have been thanked for that :rolleyes:

Only Core-i7-inside has considerably more hours (like 12), but again..no one wanted them and he's supercool.

yuonyuon
05/07/14, 20:55
12 hours? Can't you read the timetables? My time-frame is of 6 hours 06-12.
And your turn came available 6 hours ago (so taday you have had up to 9 hours..)..

Why do I have 6 hours and you have 4?
Because no one wanted them. You have less because you're one of the few who get exactly the 4 hours we asked for. Why me and someone else (like Tonno) didn't get the evening? Because we adapted. And here I thought I would have been thanked for that :rolleyes:

Only Core-i7-inside has considerably more hours (like 12), but again..no one wanted them and he's supercool.you still have 12.

This window it was great if i was the last of the day . but i hope Legourou don t mind waiting a little bit :))))

sonnet
05/07/14, 21:14
you still have 12.

This window it was great if i was the last of the day . but i hope Legourou don t mind waiting a little bit :))))

Again: can you read the time-frame?
My time frame is 06:00-12:00. It's 6 hours. Don't really what to say more than that.
And: do not let Legourou wait. You had 9 hours today. Pls do not steal someone's else time or you risk to be skipped.
Be correct towards the others if you want the others to be correct with you.

yuonyuon
05/07/14, 21:26
Again: can you read the time-frame?
My time frame is 06:00-12:00. It's 6 hours. Don't really what to say more than that.
And: do not let Legourou wait. You had 9 hours today. Pls do not steal someone's else time or you risk to be skipped.
Be correct towards the others if you want the others to be correct with you.don t get mad for no reason . this issue was happened before in UTD when i didn t finish my turn on time so i was skipped . because i had 4 hours .

i can t play in 20 min one turn . if we are talking about fairness . you should split the day in four parts that mean 6 hours for each player . like i said i m available from 6 .00 -12. 00 pm and now i get this rush when you have from 6 .00 AM to 12 AM and after that there is another window of 6 hours .

https://www.mediafire.com/?3580nqjez9ysldj England!!

sonnet
05/07/14, 21:34
don t get mad for no reason . this issue was happened before in UTD when i didn t finish my turn on time so i was skipped . because i had 4 hours .

i can t play in 20 min one turn . if we are talking about fairness . you should split the day in four parts that mean 6 hours for each player . like i said i m available from 6 .00 -12. 00 pm and now i get this rush when you have from 6 .00 AM to 12 AM and after that there is another window of 6 hours .

https://www.mediafire.com/?3580nqjez9ysldj England!!

You still have 1 hour and 30 minutes.
Did you at least bothered to read and understand the timetable?

Dividing the the in 4 parts? Sure , but you play at 06:00, because I do not wake up at 06:00 o'clock.
You get 06am-12am (or better you can have 00am-06am) and I'll get 6pm-00am
Again, you got the best (most wanted ) time-frame and you dare to complain?

yuonyuon
05/07/14, 21:52
You still have 1 hour and 30 minutes.
Did you at least bothered to read and understand the timetable?

Dividing the the in 4 parts? Sure , but you play at 06:00, because I do not wake up at 06:00 o'clock.
You get 06am-12am (or better you can have 00am-06am) and I'll get 6pm-00am
You get the best (most wanted ) time-frame and you still complain?Looks like you have an explanation for every problem .

BY the way Castilan forces are marching to victory . lol they are preparing for the invasion but the Mighty King have no mov.points , what we are going to do ... we will see in the next episode.....

yuonyuon
05/07/14, 22:03
https://www.mediafire.com/?3580nqjez9ysldj england!!

i almost forgot Legourou is not available so Loose get ready to do your job .

sonnet
05/07/14, 22:18
https://www.mediafire.com/?3580nqjez9ysldj england!!

i almost forgot Legourou is not available so Loose get ready to do your job .

How do you know Legourou aka Emproment is not available? Are you sure? (I mean did he say that somewhere?)

In any case did you send a notification to legourou?
Also if you want loosecannon1 to get a notification about your message use the @, like this LooseCannon1
otherwise he might miss your post.

yuonyuon
05/07/14, 22:49
How do you know Legourou aka Emproment is not available? Are you sure? (I mean did he say that somewhere?)

In any case did you send a notification to legourou?
Also if you want loosecannon1 to get a notification about your message use the @, like this LooseCannon1
otherwise he might miss your post.Yeah i know things.

I received a PM from LooseCannon1 that he will sub this time.

i think it will be better there will be more publicity on subbing/missing part !

Vipman
05/07/14, 22:50
The Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order and the Holy Roman Emperor have signed a non-aggression pact that will last for 40 years.

LooseCannon1
05/07/14, 22:57
I've got the save.

The Scottish invasion of England has been repulsed. Most of her armies have been destroyed. The survivors will not last much longer.

https://www.mediafire.com/?ulvbe93k623rclt

Tonno
06/07/14, 09:34
France up, small story comeing up.

Donation of Constantine... a decree that gave freedom to the Church that it was not there's to have, a full grown state with taxing and steady military. State that tried to force it's power over the rightful Emperor of Rome.
While the Emperor Heinrich was busy negotiating with the French King under the city walls of Metz, the young and eager Prince Hartmut didn't stand idle in Bologna. Benedictines in the monastery near Innsbruck, under the given order of Prince to re-read the Donation, found that the Donation is nothing more then a forgery.
Hartmut acted fast, royal letter was sent to the Pope and surrounding kingdoms with proclamation that the Emperor now, both by the tradition of succession and the law, has full claim over Rome and it's regions.

Reply has not even arrived from his father, the Prince didn't even care, he was last seen in north Italy taking actions against the the wrong doings of the Pope to the Imperial Crown.
The Holy Roman Empire of German People is taking its strong claim over Rome to complete what is justly theirs; an Empire.

Jiub
06/07/14, 10:23
Hungary is up!

Makrell
06/07/14, 11:06
A nap of 25 turns have been signed between turks and Kiev. And a NAP of 20 turns between hungary and Kiev

Lord Luka
06/07/14, 14:57
Teutons up!

Hungary has also made an alliance with Venice and a NAP with TO for 30 turns.

Core-i7-inside
06/07/14, 23:11
Teutons up!

Hungary has also made an alliance with Venice and a NAP with TO for 30 turns.

Isn't Venice the first faction in the turn order ? :inquisitive:

sonnet
06/07/14, 23:22
Isn't Venice the first faction in the turn order ? :inquisitive:

No, it's TO, just for convenience in the Time-table it appears as last.
But in game it's the first.
Your turn should be up within 30 minutes.

Vipman
06/07/14, 23:42
Venice up http://www.mediafire.com/download/k0mx1cakuu1s5wn/RC_Venice_2.rar

Core-i7-inside
07/07/14, 06:36
War have been declared on Kingdom of Sicily. We the Venetian are going to unite Italia. There must be only 1 ruler in Italia!
https://www.mediafire.com/?e957p8wycs2jp42

PS. We have lost a battle against Fatimid. I forgot to cap a screenshot. It was unexpected defeat. That was bad. :no:

Gaius Octavius Caesar
07/07/14, 07:37
Kiev next
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjOIK7GgpuRR04wMk0tRi1zSjg/edit

dur3x
07/07/14, 08:25
War have been declared on Kingdom of Sicily. We the Venetian are going to unite Italia. There must be only 1 ruler in Italia!
https://www.mediafire.com/?e957p8wycs2jp42

PS. We have lost a battle against Fatimid. I forgot to cap a screenshot. It was unexpected defeat. That was bad. :no:

Where you lost this battle ? Do you have permission to attack ?

sonnet
07/07/14, 08:37
PS. We have lost a battle against Fatimid. I forgot to cap a screenshot. It was unexpected defeat. That was bad. :no: Core-i7-inside can you pls give a ss and an explanation?Even if it's not the same result, to understand what happened and which armies/ships were involved.
dur3x probably was something minor and maybe it was some movement pre-set by the ai who caused this. Lets wait for Core-i7inside explanation

Guys I'd like to remind that for the first 2 turns peace is enforced, and that on turn 3 you can't take someone's else settlement with armies you kept on ships at the end of turn 2.

Also if you have armies in someone's else regions in those 2 turns, you need to move them asap in yours or ai controlled regions.

dur3x
07/07/14, 08:55
I think the battle was in the Crete Island, but I moved them near to the shore to take them with the boat in the second turn.

Core-i7-inside
07/07/14, 09:18
Yes, that was the battle of Crete Island. I thought Fatimid was an AI faction, my bad. :hail:

sonnet
07/07/14, 09:55
Yes, that was the battle of Crete Island. I thought Fatimid was an AI faction, my bad. :hail:

1-How many men were involved?
2-How many units Fatimid lost? (approximately )
3-Can you confirm that you lost the battle (and thus the Fatimid didn't lose the mov.points)?

Core-i7-inside
07/07/14, 09:58
1-How many men were involved?
2-How many units Fatimid lost? (approximately )
3-Can you confirm that you lost the battle (and thus the Fatimid didn't lose the mov.points)?

6-8 units for both me and Fatimid.
I got "average defeat" for sure.

dur3x
07/07/14, 10:13
What we do in this case ? :-D

sonnet
07/07/14, 10:24
What we do in this case ? :-D

6-8 units (if he means soldiers) it's quite trivial..and he got defeated

If he means units like 400-700 men losses then it's up to you to call the admin and ask some compensation, if you believe they were important.
Dur3x can you show a picture of the army you had in Crete?

dur3x
07/07/14, 13:20
Well, this is the print with the army, I moved them in the upper right corner of the Iraklion town.

Makrell
07/07/14, 14:07
Moors are upmoors are up

AND i am ahead if schedule!

ebs
07/07/14, 23:01
Next Persian : http://www.mediafire.com/download/6hj923d232nru6j/RC_Persians_2.sav

LooseCannon1
08/07/14, 00:16
Turks up. https://www.mediafire.com/?5o949o6vha8mzuu

Myth
08/07/14, 07:43
Can we please quantify the lossses on both ends? Core-i7-inside do load up, do your moves up to the battle and grab screenshots of it. If Egypt has lost more than 50 men I will log in, disband his damage unit(s) and create them fresh again.

sonnet
08/07/14, 08:48
https://www.mediafire.com/?0obcx3mlh6h8zle

Myth
08/07/14, 13:45
I've asked dur3x to quantify the losses he suffered by comparing his current army with that from turn 0 when I posted the initial save. If he has lost more than 50 men I will pause the game until I can fix his issue, which will be later on today.

I beleive no punishment is required at the moment, but please pay attention to the rules and especially when/what you can attack. Fortunately this was caught early, but if we are forced to reload repeatedly for similar reasons then I will have to punish the offending faction.

Tonno
08/07/14, 13:59
No need to even pause for this kind of mistake, just composate with gold or units.

dur3x
08/07/14, 15:01
I've sent pm to the admin and now we will see which is his decision. Now I have to go and I will play later, hopefully in time...

Myth
08/07/14, 15:18
I will compensate with units. However he may wish to move them now, so we have to pause as it is his turn up now. I will be able to do this in a few hours.

Fixed save here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10624) dur3x

dur3x
08/07/14, 21:55
Castile up !

PS:Thanks to sonnet because he pushed me on quickly....hurry up ! :laugh4:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/6pt7763cgv0a3xb/RC_Castile_2_.rar

sonnet
08/07/14, 23:12
Castile up !

PS:Thanks to sonnet because he pushed me on quickly....hurry up ! :laugh4:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/6pt7763cgv0a3xb/RC_Castile_2_.rar

Just saying this now and I won't repeat it, as we're not in a creche but we're all adults.
If you like slow HS, it's fine: it think there's a plenty of choices out there, you can leave this one and I'll find a replacement.

If you want to play a fast HS, then pls collaborate like everyone else and do your best to post your save in time (like giving precedence to this HS that is on schedule compared to the others, or play very fast since even if you were waiting your 'fixed' save, still you knew what to do as you had the non-fixed save since this morning). As said, if you do not want to collaborate in this, you can look for other HS and leave this one to the ones who want a fast and reliable one.

And fyi, I had not problems to kick out in the previous HS players who were evidently not putting any effort in keeping the HS on track but rather wasting time.

Tonno
08/07/14, 23:23
You forgot to close your bracket.

sonnet
08/07/14, 23:30
You forgot to close your bracket.

:book2:

:2thumbsup:

Core-i7-inside
09/07/14, 04:37
The admin had mercy. Thanks for not pushing me. :hail:
I promise you guys I'll read the rules every time before doing my turn.(I did read the rules this time but I thought Fatimid was an AI faction. :disappointed:)

yuonyuon
09/07/14, 07:10
we are going to keep the schedule or beat it?

yuonyuon
09/07/14, 07:29
Just saying this now and I won't repeat it, as we're not in a creche but we're all adults.
If you like slow HS, it's fine: it think there's a plenty of choices out there, you can leave this one and I'll find a replacement.

If you want to play a fast HS, then pls collaborate like everyone else and do your best to post your save in time (like giving precedence to this HS that is on schedule compared to the others, or play very fast since even if you were waiting your 'fixed' save, still you knew what to do as you had the non-fixed save since this morning). As said, if you do not want to collaborate in this, you can look for other HS and leave this one to the ones who want a fast and reliable one.

And fyi, I had not problems to kick out in the previous HS players who were evidently not putting any effort in keeping the HS on track but rather wasting time.
you forget that adults are far more busy than 17 years old kids around this forum .:)))))

sonnet
09/07/14, 08:15
we are going to keep the schedule or beat it?

Just put your truly best effort in playing asap.

yuonyuon
09/07/14, 08:55
Emproment up

ENGLAND

dur3x
09/07/14, 10:01
Just saying this now and I won't repeat it, as we're not in a creche but we're all adults.
If you like slow HS, it's fine: it think there's a plenty of choices out there, you can leave this one and I'll find a replacement.

If you want to play a fast HS, then pls collaborate like everyone else and do your best to post your save in time (like giving precedence to this HS that is on schedule compared to the others, or play very fast since even if you were waiting your 'fixed' save, still you knew what to do as you had the non-fixed save since this morning). As said, if you do not want to collaborate in this, you can look for other HS and leave this one to the ones who want a fast and reliable one.

And fyi, I had not problems to kick out in the previous HS players who were evidently not putting any effort in keeping the HS on track but rather wasting time.

I don't blame you sonnet, but I can't spend all the time in the front of computer. It was a mistake here and not mine, if the save was good from the beggining this conversation does not exist, especially your useless comment. Also I start playing after 5-0 for Germany. :rolleyes:

sonnet
09/07/14, 11:35
I don't blame you sonnet, but I can't spend all the time in the front of computer. It was a mistake here and not mine, if the save was good from the beggining this conversation does not exist, especially your useless comment. Also I start playing after 5-0 for Germany. :rolleyes:

No one asked you to stay in front of the pc all time. If you couldn't simply play there wouldn't have been any issues as long as you play on the scheduled time or warn your subber when you need to be subbed.
But for (everybody's ) future reference (and there no need for you to reply to this message):

1- You lost a negligible amount of non-elite units. Replacing the the losses would have costed to you 1-1,5k (as the units you showed in your ss were all low -recruitment-cost units). Your 'enemy' got more losses than you (as he got defeated, and since he got defeated it was obviously a honest mistake), so his mistake was at your advantage and if I were in your place I wouldn't have asked any compensation to begin with. Trying to get advantage of this situation (because like I explained Core-i7 mistake already gave you an advantage) is not a good attitude.
Obviously if you push for it (your choice) the admin has to give you compensation.

2-Even if those losses were extremely important, you could have played your save and Myth could have added the units later on someone's else save in the settlements you indicated to him (and you wouldn't have got any disadvantage from it). This way we wouldn't have lost time. It's not admin's job to make your life easier, while rather your duty to make admin's life easier and show as much flexibility as you can in keeping the game going on

3-After Myth posted the 'fixed' save, you still played some other HS saves. Even if you were late in that HS, since 1 hours wouldn't have changed anything in that HS, you could (as you didn't show any flexibility in point 1 or 2) have played this one (since it's on schedule ) first.

4-Worst part is the remark you made in your post with the save: by playing fast, you're not making a favor to me. You should play in this HS if you want a fast HS. If you do, then by playing and keeping the HS fast, you're making a favor to yourself in the first place. If you do not, then this is not the HS for you, as we share different goals.

Like Yuonyuon said: adults have not much free time to waste. And I have not much time to waste, I'll play this HS with people who are not time wasters like myself (and I'm not saying you're). Players with bad attitudes or who do not share the same goals will be kicked out.
Rules are there to be respected, but players shouldn't push on them just to get as much advantage they can, or pushing those as an excuse to gain time. Even if you were formally right in your doing, substantially you acted wrongly (or at least you could have acted in a better way).
This is not about who play faster or slower. Or breaking more or less rules. It's about fair play and being nice to everybody.

To make an example (not related to you or what you did): if a player tells me that he post his turns right at the end of his time schedule to not give an advantage to his competitor, I would kick him straight away. Because while he's formally right (he plays his turn within the time schedule ) the motives behind his actions are wrong. So rules are there, but there's not rule I can put to define "fair play" and "being nice and correct towards others". But I expect everybody to act that way.

Like I said there's no need to answer to this, and I'd suggest you to not do it (and in any case I won't post any further on this because I wrote all I needed to write). What I need is that you need this carefully and try to understand as best as you can what I mean (I tried to be as clear as i could). There's no better man here, and I do mistakes as much (if not more ) as you do. All I ask is to make up your mind on whether you want to play a fast HS or not. And if you do, from next time lets think first on how to facilitate the HS and other players rather than by how to get advantage from contingent situation. That's should be the right spirit.
As said, this is not just to you, but a reference to everybody in the HS (including myself).

Myth
09/07/14, 11:39
Guys, keep the tone civil please. - categorizing posts as "useless" is borderline flaming and we don't talk like that in the TR.

While Invicta is right about the attitude, the fix here really did require a delay, because that stack could be moved off the island by boat. If I add the units post-factum I can't disband the old half-damaged ones. So I had to be logged in as Egypt to compensate properly but not overly much.

Carry on and save it for the battlefield!

sonnet
09/07/14, 11:49
because that stack could be moved off the island by boat.!

Out of curiosity: if the Fatimid's army wasn't defeated, shouldn't have kept the mov.points (and thus being moved)?
Or maybe I got it wrong.

Myth
09/07/14, 11:51
It could be moved but with the damaged units inside it. I can nonly add full units via console right? So he'd end up with both the fresh ones and the damaged ones, and if I'm not the Fatamids I can't disband units.

sonnet
09/07/14, 12:00
It could be moved but with the damaged units inside it. I can nonly add full units via console right? So he'd end up with both the fresh ones and the damaged ones, and if I'm not the Fatamids I can't disband units.

Yes you can only add whole units (at least afaik).
One solution (in case you didn't use it already) when several units of the same kind gets damaged is to merge the damaged units and add approximately as many units as the soldiers lost. Obviously it would never be precise, but at least it should be a very good approximation (I think).

yuonyuon
09/07/14, 13:50
Lucky i could skip the work today morning , but next time i still rather play on my schedule .

No sign of Legourou Emproment? i PM to LooseCannon1

Tonno
09/07/14, 14:01
Loose subed last turn, so PM both :D

Emproment
09/07/14, 20:15
I am here, I will play the turn now.

Tonno
09/07/14, 20:25
Great!

Emproment
09/07/14, 20:57
A NAP has been declared between England and Norway for 10 turns.

A NAP has been declared between England and France for an undetermined amount of turns. (Maybe 20)

HRE is up, good luck allies.

yuonyuon
09/07/14, 21:27
A NAP has been declared between England and Norway for 10 turns.

A NAP has been declared between England and France for an undetermined amount of turns. (Maybe 20)

HRE is up, good luck allies.what a friendly kingdom you have right there , you have NAP with everybody. good !

i think you learn your lesson from FOW. lol.

Tonno
09/07/14, 23:00
France next.

Emproment
10/07/14, 00:14
what a friendly kingdom you have right there , you have NAP with everybody. good !

i think you learn your lesson from FOW. lol.

Yes!

And next turn I will NAP all of Iberia and then the next turn I will NAP all of Asia and the Middle-east and Europe and North Africa.

Then I will play a nice game of Medieval II: TotalPeace. :rolleyes:

sonnet
10/07/14, 00:20
what a friendly kingdom you have right there , you have NAP with everybody. good !

i think you learn your lesson from FOW. lol.

Maybe you didn't notice, but many kingdoms have NAP with everybody.
Me too. And I don't see how that can be a bad decision: there's still ai regions to conquer, and we got our factions managed by the AI for many turns. Some turns of peace
are necessary to reorganize and regroup.

How long this peace total war situation will last I don't know, but England is one of the last who got to this table. Turks and HRE (probably because being at the center we need to be more careful) are the ones who started this series of peace-agreement, and others followed it soon after.

It's likely though that due to the intricacy of NAP &alliances, once a war starts, all the other factions might be brought in one way or the other.

Emproment
10/07/14, 01:14
Maybe you didn't notice, but many kingdoms have NAP with everybody.
Me too. And I don't see how that can be a bad decision: there's still ai regions to conquer, and we got our factions managed by the AI for many turns. Some turns of peace
are necessary to reorganize and regroup.

How long this peace total war situation will last I don't know, but England is one of the last who got to this table. Turks and HRE (probably because being at the center we need to be more careful) are the ones who started this series of peace-agreement, and others followed it soon after.

It's likely though that due to the intricacy of NAP &alliances, once a war starts, all the other factions might be brought in one way or the other.

I think he is referring to another HS in which I am at war with everyone and I have no friends lol.

yuonyuon
10/07/14, 07:19
From what i see making NAP is not always i good thing especially if you are determined to respect that. so i thought that NAP is above alliance in some ways.
i put more trust in NAPS than in an alliance because NAP are short period of trust even they are enemies so i can see who is greedy and who is smart

the point is i dont make NAP with everyone knowing later i will feel sorry about that , other players just didn t admit they made NAP or get an excuse for that

EDIT i have no NAPS but i m opened to negotiations.

Jiub
10/07/14, 09:19
Hungary

Lord Luka
10/07/14, 18:44
TO!

dur3x
10/07/14, 18:46
Guys, as an advice I'm telling you to play in time because we have someone here who's watching us. S(onnet)AURON, THE GREAT EYE(s) is watching us all the time. :laugh4: Good luck !

Tonno
10/07/14, 19:02
Of course we will, cuz we all red the opening page and the intro that was made by invicta after what we, by our own free will and admission to the set rules/goals, joined into makeing of this HS. So we, as responsible and conscious persons, will stay consistent with what is good (good in it's hmm... highest term, that is... the good it's self) and keep track on our time and play if we can. If we can't respect the terms we agreed on, we must take appropriate steps, or suffer the consequences.

yuonyuon
10/07/14, 22:38
where is VIpman!!!!! he must play in half an hour! Vipman!!!!!!!!!!!! just look how many exclamations marks i put here for you!!!!!!
also ebs is offline , his PC is broken

Tonno
10/07/14, 23:04
So they can't subb each other right now.
Admin will be needed.

yuonyuon
10/07/14, 23:08
So they can't subb each other right now.
Admin will be needed.yep , he can play in the morning before the Venetians. the re is another 12 hours of Core time

sonnet
10/07/14, 23:47
also ebs is offline , his PC is broken
How do you know that?
Are you sure about it?

dur3x
11/07/14, 07:07
How do you know that?
Are you sure about it?

Yes, his video card was spoiled.

ebs
11/07/14, 09:28
Yea my video card its dead(again).. but today I will buy new one so I hope I will ready for tonight...

Vipman
11/07/14, 09:45
AAAAAARGHHHHH Damn it I forgot :wall: :wall::wall:

I'm on it now :(

sonnet
11/07/14, 10:06
Yea my video card its dead(again).. but today I will buy new one so I hope I will ready for tonight...

Doesn't your pc hasve an integrated vga?
Since battles can't be played and thus it's only the map, your integrated vga (if you have one) should be able to handle the game (probably slower, but for 1-2 turns you should be fine_)
Most of the cpu not older than 3 years have an integrated vga in the cpu.
And for older platforms, usually the mainboard might have an integrated vga depending on the chipset.

You probably know all this, but I'm saying it just in case.

ebs
11/07/14, 10:24
Yea I have integrated on mainboard but I must buy new one couse we have another 2 HS where I must playing today.. normally I will buy almost new PC.. new CPU (I3 4150) new mainboard (asrock b85 killer) Video card (palit gt640 1gb gddr5) and more RAM.. I think its enough for total war games and fifa :)

Tonno
11/07/14, 10:33
AAAAAARGHHHHH Damn it I forgot :wall: :wall::wall:

I'm on it now :(

There's no absolution for you, only pain and suffering. Take thoes two stacks from him, especially the one that goes for Stettin.

sonnet
11/07/14, 10:35
Yea I have integrated on mainboard but I must buy new one couse we have another 2 HS where I must playing today.. normally I will buy almost new PC.. new CPU (I3 4150) new mainboard (asrock b85 killer) Video card (palit gt640 1gb gddr5) and more RAM.. I think its enough for total war games and fifa :)

Unless you have some specific requirements, and if you're interested in not wasting money, if I were you I'd buy this :
-http://geizhals.at/eu/intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-bx80646g3258-a1119927.html
and this one
-http://geizhals.at/eu/asrock-z97m-anniversary-a1132908.html

The CPU can be overclocked easily to 4.5ghz (it's a special model) and you might get in many games better performances than not with a lower clocked quadcore. And 99% it'll be much faster then the cpu you intend to buy.

The motherboard, is a "cheap" motherboard, but it mounts the new z97 chipset.
That's important because it'll be guaranteed to be compatible with next cpu-generation "broadwell". So you get this couple now, and say in 2 years you might upgrade just the cpu with a quadcore (or even 3 years, waiting to get a cheap used cpu).

About the vga: getting a used vga usually the most cost-effective solution.
I got a old 560ti gtx for 50 euro about a month ago on a buy-sell used stuff forum. And that'd be much faster than the vga you'd buy.

But if you want to buy new, the card you wanna buy, will limit the rest of your configuration.
Save on the cpu like I indicated you, and get this more expansive vga (with the money you saved on the gpu):
http://geizhals.at/eu/point-of-view-geforce-gtx-750-ti-vga-750i-a1-2048-a1125845.html
It'll be a whole different league.

Vipman
11/07/14, 11:18
...
http://www.mediafire.com/download/37c08svizy35y8j/RC_Venice_3.rar

Edit sonnet so the schedule remains or it's changed because we started on a different day? Is my turn supposed to come on wednesday-sunday or did it change to thursday-monday or something?

sonnet
11/07/14, 11:54
...
http://www.mediafire.com/download/37c08svizy35y8j/RC_Venice_3.rar

Edit sonnet so the schedule remains or it's changed because we started on a different day? Is my turn supposed to come on wednesday-sunday or did it change to thursday-monday or something? Vipman Your schedule is on Thursday-Sunday like last week and will always the same (so that you might plan things ahead). We started on a different day (one turn ahead) but as we had the issues with Venetian turn, this day was lost and if Core-i7 manage to play his save today we should still be on time.

Players are due only in the days and time they're scheduled to play. But since we have one day off, if players are free, they should keep playing as we might get more turns or that will give extra time to players who might have issues.

So if your turn becomes available on Wednesday, if you can play it, then pls play it asap to facilitate the HS and the player who comes after you (who might need more time)
Otherwise you have time until Thursday at the specified time.

Core-i7-inside
11/07/14, 15:57
WARRRRRRR

Since HRE denied our request. We the Venetian have no choice. For our people's sake, for our kingdom, War declared on HRE. No more peace, no more coward.
THEY MUST LEAVE ITALIA NOW!

Genoa is under siege. A German army in near Venice was defeated. My army near Zagreb was defeated. screenshots later.

the save sent via pm.

Tonno
11/07/14, 17:10
Actually, puny dodge had a choice (several) and it was offered to you... it didn't even included backstabing, Mine well at least political rival, France as you suggested last year. It was a solid offer, that will go public if you deny righteousness of the made offer.
And now you broke our official agreement for what? If you want to win this war, France will have to do the same, while Hungary will have to stop with the campaign against Poland to help you.
Foolish move.

Core-i7-inside
11/07/14, 17:38
Actually, puny dodge had a choice (several) and it was offered to you... it didn't even included backstabing, Mine well at least political rival, France as you suggested last year. It was a solid offer, that will go public if you deny righteousness of the made offer.
And now you broke our official agreement for what? If you want to win this war, France will have to do the same, while Hungary will have to stop with the campaign against Poland to help you.
Foolish move.

All we want is to unite Italia. But, you denied to give me back the city of Bologna. What worst is you even attacked the papal states. To unite Italia, to protect his holiness the pope, now I have no choice. I'm sorry I cant keep our nap agreement.


BTW, where is screenshots folder? ~;p

Emproment
11/07/14, 17:40
Venice starts the first real war of the HS and is the first to be added to the Black List of unreliable players.

This should be interesting.

sonnet
11/07/14, 17:42
Venice starts the first real war of the HS and is the first to be added to the Black List of unreliable players.

This should be interesting.
Well I was waiting for the SS to see if that was a prank :laugh4:

Makrell
11/07/14, 17:47
Norway needs subbing Core-i7-inside or Gaius Octavius Caesar or maybe even Myth

Core-i7-inside
11/07/14, 18:18
Norway subbed by an enemy of his ally.:laugh4: Kiev is up next.
A Danish city is under siege. nothing important happened.
save : https://www.mediafire.com/?54hra377una1wil

PS. for some reasons I can't login to Photobucket. ss will be up later.

Makrell
11/07/14, 19:25
Moors up ebs

Tonno
11/07/14, 20:37
All we want is to unite Italia. But, you denied to give me back the city of Bologna. What worst is you even attacked the papal states. To unite Italia, to protect his holiness the pope, now I have no choice. I'm sorry I cant keep our nap agreement.




You, puny dodge, are not sorry, cuz if you really felt like that you would accept the proposal I made since it was a solid proposal.
You, puny dodge, wanted to unite Italy by not attacking corrupted Pope that uses false documents to keep his unGodly state and keeps two very important cities in the middle of the Italy. LIE. You are as corrupted as the Pope is. There fore you will be purged by proper judicial examination.
I denied you the "gift" of Bologna in exchange for help in fight against France, early and late stage, that you offered... and offered you a proper, rightful, exchange for Italian city/ies.

Pleas stop with the repeating the same thing over and over, Emperor dosn't have time to deal with lies, he has to plan his next move.

Gaius Octavius Caesar
11/07/14, 20:57
Thanks for subbing Core, i told you that i will need subbing 100% this turn. I just got back this evening.

sonnet
11/07/14, 23:55
Ebs can't play yet and requested a last minute subbing:
https://www.mediafire.com/?1o2t1voftpg1m5k

sonnet
12/07/14, 00:10
Save reposted as per request

LooseCannon1
12/07/14, 01:24
I wanted to post something cute but I'm too tired. Instead you get Turks! Up!

sonnet
12/07/14, 06:39
Fatimid's are up! dur3x !

Official announcement: as it seems the Venetian Doge became a unreliable ruler.
https://www.mediafire.com/?cunxt45aisaqta2

dur3x
12/07/14, 12:06
Leon up !

https://www.mediafire.com/?3iux9qt1w6epex1

yuonyuon
12/07/14, 12:36
I really have to know if that in game message was from EBS or Sonnet , the situation is pretty tense , i might start the second war of this HS because of that message and the army positioning i see around my cities.

sonnet
12/07/14, 12:42
I really have to know if that in game message was from EBS or Sonnet , the situation is pretty tense , i might start the second war of this HS because of that message and the army positioning i see around my cities. yuonyuon
The message is from me.
Ebs asked me after I looked at the situation, to play the faction as if it was mine.
Given the situation I found, I think it would be in the best interest of Moors and Castille to avoid a conflict, and if it was my faction I wouldn't necessarily see Moors in conflict with Castille.
That's why, as he said to play as if it was mine, I proposed a peace deal.

I sent a pm to him, with the details of it. I didn't check if he connected, but in any case if you're interested, try to contact him and you can tell him if you accept his proposal or make a counter-offer.
Hopefully you have some hours in which you might get an answer.

yuonyuon
12/07/14, 12:53
yuonyuon
The message is from me.
Ebs asked me after I looked at the situation, to play the faction as if it was mine.
Given the situation I found, I think it would be in the best interest of Moors and Castille to avoid a conflict, and if it was my faction I wouldn't necessarily see Moors in conflict with Castille.
That's why, as he said to play as if it was mine, I proposed a peace deal.

I sent a pm to him, with the details of it. I didn't check if he connected, but in any case if you're interested, try to contact him and you can tell him if you accept his proposal or make a counter-offer.
Hopefully you have some hours in which you might get an answer.moors have "stacks" with siege weapons in range of my cities , i m in a position that i can t negotiate , i just have to fight back because of this situation .

Also the offer is not fair at all .

Core-i7-inside
12/07/14, 13:00
I really have to know if that in game message was from EBS or Sonnet , the situation is pretty tense , i might start the second war of this HS because of that message and the army positioning i see around my cities.

Go ahead. Crush the infidels. ;)

sonnet
12/07/14, 13:02
moors have "stacks" with siege weapons in range of my cities , i m in a position that i can t negotiate , i just have to fight back because of this situation .

Also the offer is not fair at all .

Like I told you in a pm, either make a counter-offer to Ebs, or attack if that's what you want to do.
There's no much I can tell you more than that , since I made a last minute subbing (only 30 minutes to play it in a situation i didn't know).
Losses are expected, because the alternative was either that or disband units to improve the economy and being able to recruit better units.
So some losses is better than disbanding (I'll save money either way since you come after Moors in the turn-order).

You have the special army, and Moors have many armies.
Since I know you'll never put that army at risk, it is needed to put you some bait to deplete it with 2-3 waves (your special units have a very low recruitment rate) each time you'll get higher losses until it's eventually defeated.
Again I acted based on the very limited infos I had (since Moors didn't have a single spy but only many priests with limited range in Toledo region)

sonnet
12/07/14, 13:11
The Sultan Sonnet officially declare war on Castille.

yuonyuon
12/07/14, 13:14
The Sultan Sonnet officially declare war on Castille.WAR DECLARED ON MOORS AND TURKS !
i will finish my turn on my free spot i have to goo.

Tonno
12/07/14, 17:10
AND TURKS !


a lol...

Core-i7-inside
12/07/14, 17:14
Screenshots for the battles.

https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/Chaiwit_Khamta/0005_zps71668ee3.jpg (https://s34.photobucket.com/user/Chaiwit_Khamta/media/0005_zps71668ee3.jpg.html)
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/Chaiwit_Khamta/0006_zps1409f66d.jpg (https://s34.photobucket.com/user/Chaiwit_Khamta/media/0006_zps1409f66d.jpg.html)
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/Chaiwit_Khamta/0007_zpsae0de867.jpg (https://s34.photobucket.com/user/Chaiwit_Khamta/media/0007_zpsae0de867.jpg.html)
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/Chaiwit_Khamta/0008_zps5072a6ca.jpg (https://s34.photobucket.com/user/Chaiwit_Khamta/media/0008_zps5072a6ca.jpg.html)

yuonyuon
12/07/14, 22:47
England UP !! Emproment LooseCannon1

Some Jackie Chan SS https://www.mediafire.com/?slik96lieyaxrkj

Portugal destroyed , Aragon just get lucky this turn .

Moors loose 4 stacks all in range of my cities with siege weapons . i didn t have no single unit in range so i considered that as a threat , also the offer was silly .

Emproment
13/07/14, 00:30
HRE is next. Tonno

The infamous William Wallace has finally been executed.

sonnet
13/07/14, 09:01
Moors loose 4 stacks all in range of my cities with siege weapons . i didn t have no single unit in range so i considered that as a threat , also the offer was silly .

Just to say that there was clearly no threat.
If I wanted, I could have simply defeated one of the 2 armies guarding Toledo, take the fort and get Toledo (and you'd have lost Seville too..) next turn leaving you like that
or similarly
Like this:

https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand37_zps319812dd.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand37_zps319812dd.png.html)
https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand38_zpse86aece9.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand38_zpse86aece9.png.html)


I didn't want to start a war because I thought it wouldn't be beneficial to any of you.
You instead, wanted take advantage of the fact that the player had a the pc broken and needed last minute subbing and that's fine.
But obviously if I wanted to make move to threat you I'd have moved that way, rather than putting armies on ships.

yuonyuon
13/07/14, 10:05
Just to say that there was clearly no threat.
If I wanted, I could have simply defeated one of the 2 armies guarding Toledo, take the fort and get Toledo (and you'd have lost Seville too..) next turn leaving you like that
or similarly
Like this:

https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand37_zps319812dd.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand37_zps319812dd.png.html)
https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand38_zpse86aece9.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand38_zpse86aece9.png.html)


I didn't want to start a war because I thought it wouldn't be beneficial to any of you.
You instead, wanted take advantage of the fact that the player had a the pc broken and needed last minute subbing and that's fine.
But obviously if I wanted to make move to threat you I'd have moved that way, rather than putting armies on ships.If you moved that way you still loose 4 stacks , i don t see no difference , my santiago units are west of Toledo and they can reach easily.also i have spies in range , that fort is nothing.
you know better that when there is a siege weapon in range that means war , i don t have to explain this , i think is clearly for everyone

i was forced to do so even i was concern more about portugal and aragon, you can see that there is no single units that can reach any of the moorish cities

As far as i know when i m subbing i always make a defensive turn and that is clearly not

anyway i m open to negotiation with moors ....

Tonno
13/07/14, 10:17
It is obvious that even God is on our side in this fight against corrupted Pope and his allies, primary Venice that decided to start open war on our rightful cleansing. Venice was hit with the worst plague that has not been seen in years, and with full garrisons in it, the losses of men will be substantial.

The counter attack has already started by our strong Prince Hartmut, we shall not give Venice pig dogs room to breath; in the central Italy Mertin von Lothringen proved him self in fight against Popes mercenary generals and he moved straight up into reach of Bologna, contrary to the directions give by the Prince. We will see what young general has in mind.
Venice is already sorunded by Deitrich Foltz, that has come from the regions of Slavic people where several hundred Slavs joind him in fight agaisnt this corrupted and bankrupt dodge, and Theodorich Zollner that protects army that is under the walls of Milan.
In Innsbruck, on call to war, 200 mounted soldiers answered in just a few days... we are keen to see the full on reaction from German people after they, again, proved to be strong and capable by switching from economy development into full war readiness.
It is expected that Zagreb and Milan will be liberated next seson, while Venice should fall before army from Bari decides to come back, unless they will be needed on some other frontier.
Rumors go that more and more of common people are expecting our banners on the horizon, to set them free of this mad dodge that did nothing for his nation but started war, emptied the kingdoms treasury, put young men into war duty and made the whole kingdoms sky look darkly.

The Emperor is still open to negotiation, the folish dodge will just weaken both of us and after my glorious nation puts him onto his knees he will put his hopes in the last stand making this whole war nothing more then expression of frustration of a kid.
Now sit for the negotiating table you and all of your silly nobles.

sonnet
13/07/14, 10:18
If you moved that way you still loose 4 stacks , i don t see no difference , my santiago units are west of Toledo and they can reach easily.also i have spies in range , that fort is nothing.
you know better that when there is a siege weapon in range that means war , i don t have to explain this , i think is clearly for everyone

i was forced to do so even i was concern more about portugal and aragon, you can see that there is no single units that can reach any of the moorish cities

As far as i know when i m subbing i always make a defensive turn and that is clearly not

anyway i m open to negotiation with moors ....

No, you couldn't : you need spies with 60% of chances.
Having spies doesn't mean anything, since you started your campaign with no spies on turn 1. Even if you recruited 2 in Leon and Salamance, those would be untrained .

Show the ss of the spies..and then we can laugh together about what you just wrote. :laugh4:
Like I said, you wanted to take advantage of Ebs needs of subbing in a crucial turn is fine. But at least say the things as they are.

sonnet
13/07/14, 10:20
It is obvious that even God is on our side in this fight against corrupted Pope and his allies, primary Venice that decided to start open war on our rightful cleansing. Venice was hit with the worst plague that has not been seen in years, and with full garrisons in it, the losses of men will be substantial.

Tonno : you didn't spread the plague in Venice, right? I'm just asking because that would be against the rules.

yuonyuon
13/07/14, 10:21
My offer to Moors is : 5 turns NAP , he can take Palma .
condition : No siege weapons in range or in ships ,otherwise the war will start again.

due the situation seems fair , and if EBS accept then it is official.

sonnet
13/07/14, 10:24
My offer to Moors is : 5 turns NAP , he can take Palma .
condition : No siege weapons in range or in ships ,otherwise the war will start again.

due the situation seems fair , and if EBS accept then it is official.

I see you're not showing ss of your amazing spies.. :laugh4:

Tonno
13/07/14, 10:26
Tonno : you didn't spread the plague in Venice, right? I'm just asking because that would be against the rules.

Nope, God did it.
Jokes asaid, the plague is there maybe even from turn one, I don't remember well.

yuonyuon
13/07/14, 10:31
I see you're not showing ss of your amazing spies.. :laugh4:just a sec actually one of them have 70%

just think a bout it need 4 eyes . i recruited 2 in Leon and Salamnce on turn 3 i have 3 in range 70% 60 % 40%

sonnet
13/07/14, 10:34
just a sec actually one of them have 70%

just think a bout it need 4 eyes . i recruited 2 in Leon and Salamnce on turn 3 i have 3 in range 70% 60 % 40%

You're right about the 4 "eyes" but you don't have 2 with at least 4 eyes..

yuonyuon
13/07/14, 10:43
I think that its enough , i don t want to sow too much of my territories .lol

sonnet
13/07/14, 10:53
I think that its enough , i don t want to sow too much of my territories .lol

It seems you have been extremely lucky in recruiting spies, considering you don't have a Thieve's guild (and i trust you this ss is form the start of the turn, before performing any mission).

But even then, you wouldn't destroy 4 stacks (your army either go in one direction or another) and your losses would be hurting you more than the moors : to take the fort you'd suffer lost of casualties, and then you either reach the army the defeated your army, or the other one. And the only real option is to reach teh army that defeated yours,because otherwise you'd fall in the range of the other 2 armies risking to be annihilated.

Tonno
13/07/14, 11:35
Dude... you don't show that kind of intel publicly.
It's a game changer...

yuonyuon
13/07/14, 11:45
Dude... you don't show that kind of intel publicly.
It's a game changer...don t worry its just turn 3

Core-i7-inside
13/07/14, 12:53
It is obvious that even God is on our side in this fight against corrupted Pope and his allies, primary Venice that decided to start open war on our rightful cleansing. Venice was hit with the worst plague that has not been seen in years, and with full garrisons in it, the losses of men will be substantial.

The counter attack has already started by our strong Prince Hartmut, we shall not give Venice pig dogs room to breath; in the central Italy Mertin von Lothringen proved him self in fight against Popes mercenary generals and he moved straight up into reach of Bologna, contrary to the directions give by the Prince. We will see what young general has in mind.
Venice is already sorunded by Deitrich Foltz, that has come from the regions of Slavic people where several hundred Slavs joind him in fight agaisnt this corrupted and bankrupt dodge, and Theodorich Zollner that protects army that is under the walls of Milan.
In Innsbruck, on call to war, 200 mounted soldiers answered in just a few days... we are keen to see the full on reaction from German people after they, again, proved to be strong and capable by switching from economy development into full war readiness.
It is expected that Zagreb and Milan will be liberated next seson, while Venice should fall before army from Bari decides to come back, unless they will be needed on some other frontier.
Rumors go that more and more of common people are expecting our banners on the horizon, to set them free of this mad dodge that did nothing for his nation but started war, emptied the kingdoms treasury, put young men into war duty and made the whole kingdoms sky look darkly.

The Emperor is still open to negotiation, the folish dodge will just weaken both of us and after my glorious nation puts him onto his knees he will put his hopes in the last stand making this whole war nothing more then expression of frustration of a kid.
Now sit for the negotiating table you and all of your silly nobles.

Well done fake Emperor, well done.
Your are not the real emperor. The real one is on the Byzantium throne. Your empire is fake too many levels. You attacked the pope, so you're fake holy. You are barbarian, so you're fake roman. How dare you call your faction a Holy Roman Empire?

Myth
13/07/14, 12:56
I want to remind everyone that alliances with the Papal States are against the rules. I want anyone who is allied with them to load up their last turn and let me know how many turns it would take for their nearest diplomat (or recruitable diplomat) to reach them to break the alliance. It might be worth it for me to do it manually.

Also, I'm on vacation from tomorrow with no access to this PC until the 21st.

Jiub
13/07/14, 13:25
Hungary up!

Tonno
13/07/14, 13:52
Well done fake Emperor, well done.
Your are not the real emperor. The real one is on the Byzantium throne. Your empire is fake too many levels. You attacked the pope, so you're fake holy. You are barbarian, so you're fake roman. How dare you call your faction a Holy Roman Empire?

The Byzantines are Greek, they speak Greek, their culture is Greek, they don't have Roman Crown but a Byzantium Crown that was given to them by patriarch of Constantinople, and they don't control Rome. They are not Romans, they are not successors of Roman Empire. So by your own words this makes them just an Empire, the one that will crumble soon.

Oh, unfounded accusations. To be a King you need to know your Crown, and what is heritage, but to be an Emperor you need to be Me.
It is not the holiness that comes from Pope, but the people that in agreement with God elect the Emperor, that is then Crowned by the representatives of the people, the Church.
We are "Roman" by the succession of Crown that was given to our forefather in Rheims a bit over 400 years ago. The city is important, cuz it stayed Roman even after the invasion of so called barbarians. Through succession that Crown reached me, and it will be passed on to my son, and so on.
So my dear brother, that is if your rule can still be called Christian rule then you are my brother. I am the Holy Roman Emperor that will sit on the throne of Rome as a proper ruler should.

Lord Luka
13/07/14, 19:22
I just got home.A bit later than expected.Will play my turn ASAP.

sonnet
13/07/14, 19:24
I just got home.A bit later than expected.Will play my turn ASAP.

Yeah but pls asap like 30 minutes and no more than that.
Your time is expired now, and from now on you're taking Vipman's time.

Lord Luka
13/07/14, 20:00
TO!

yuonyuon
13/07/14, 22:42
Another fail .?? or not!!

Vipman
13/07/14, 22:57
Venice http://www.mediafire.com/download/ip4e0n7u0540xn4/RC_Venice_4.rar

yuonyuon
13/07/14, 22:58
Venice http://www.mediafire.com/download/ip4e0n7u0540xn4/RC_Venice_4.rarHow can i give you some rep for this achievement?

sonnet
13/07/14, 23:13
Jiub do you have a valid reason (a reason that could exempt you from being put in the un-reliable player list) for attacking HRE and England?
I just need to know for the list.

Tonno
13/07/14, 23:23
Hungary up!

Really really cheap move.

LooseCannon1
13/07/14, 23:35
Really really cheap move.The English regent :on_devil:told him you'd be kickin' his arse.:on_crazymad: so I guess he decided to hit you first.:on_punch:

Core-i7-inside
14/07/14, 01:36
-Agents can perform any action within their capablities as long as they have 60% of chances (ss can be sent to the admin if you want to kep secret your doing). SS of spies opening the gate (you need 2 at least) are required to be posted always. Assassins exception: assassins cannot kill family member (generals can be always killed)

Is this rule include fort gate ? I need to clear it before finishing my turn.

EDIT : NVM, the chance of entering fort is less than 60% anyway, I've to redo my turn. :no:

Core-i7-inside
14/07/14, 02:12
Thank for the agent rules, no bloodshed this turn.
Crusade will be called on HRE in next 4 turns. Prepare your asses. :laugh4:
Norway : https://www.mediafire.com/?tdddvacnqcak3wy


- Crusades can be called by all non-excommunicated Catholic factions with a vote system. As soon as a Crusade will be available,
any catholic faction ,which has not been excommunicated can call the vote. Once the vote is called and the possible targets made public,
each player must send within 24 hrs his target choice to the admin (so that no one take advantage from knowing other players choices).
Each vote will count as many points as how much Papal favor that faction will have at the mement of the vote.
1 vote for a cardinal would make more sense. Since Venice has 3 Cardinals, we must get 3 voting credits. :yes:

Jiub
14/07/14, 04:53
Jiub do you have a valid reason (a reason that could exempt you from being put in the un-reliable player list) for attacking HRE and England?
I just need to know for the list.

My reasons are valid, but not to exempt me from the unreliable player list. :)

sonnet
14/07/14, 08:41
Is this rule include fort gate ? I need to clear it before finishing my turn.

EDIT : NVM, the chance of entering fort is less than 60% anyway, I've to redo my turn. :no:
Core-i7-inside : yes you need 60% for both forts and settlements

Thank for the agent rules, no bloodshed this turn.
Crusade will be called on HRE in next 4 turns.


I'm not sure, but when the HS started there was a crusade on Gaza (unless I'm confusing with the save on turn 51, but having you a catholic faction, you can check that easily), if that's the case, I wouldn't count on a crusade for at least 10 turns.
Votes are assigned based on papal favor although the cardinal idea is quite interesting (but the mechanism to be used in this HS is the one in the rules, unless everybody agrees to change it).

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 09:11
Houndred years of german opression in Yutland peninsula will end shortly! We reclaim our rightfull lands!

War declared on HRE, the former danish cities were put under siege.

King Ragnar of Norway



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Kiev
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjOIK7GgpuROHZ3dXVIdGxCeE0/edit

Core-i7-inside
14/07/14, 09:38
Houndred years of german opression in Yutland peninsula will end shortly! We reclaim our rightfull lands!

War declared on HRE, the former danish cities were put under siege.

King Ragnar of Norway
Good job viking king. :sweetheart:

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 09:44
13598

sonnet
14/07/14, 09:49
It seems a huge plot was schemed on the back of the Kaiser..
Who would have thought that..

Tonno
14/07/14, 10:03
It was an obvius plot even for a player that didn't have my game perspective if you look good at the demands of Venice and his diplomacy you can see it straight up. The turn before Venice was moving to many forces in the wrong direction instead of finishing off Sicily, that's why I managed to prepare a counter attack. France didn't start takeing lands from Aragon as we where talking about, and kept his armies on the borders, plus i found hidden catapult near my cities. Unsustainable army with that economy. After war with Venice I contacted him, and he tried some bad philosophy with me, and was pretty ok with me taking down his ally and in the first message I didn't even propose the deal.
Hungary would come in as well, if he didn't have problems with Poland. About Norway I am a bit surprised, though his army movemnts where really odd, I thought he's just a bad player.

But fear not. The Emperor shall bring about Justice.

sonnet
14/07/14, 10:15
It was an obvius plot even for a player that didn't have my game perspective if you look good at the demands of Venice and his diplomacy you can see it straight up. The turn before Venice was moving to many forces in the wrong direction instead of finishing off Sicily, that's why I managed to prepare a counter attack. France didn't start takeing lands from Aragon as we where talking about, and kept his armies on the borders, plus i found hidden catapult near my cities. Unsustainable army with that economy. After war with Venice I contacted him, and he tried some bad philosophy with me, and was pretty ok with me taking down his ally and in the first message I didn't even propose the deal.
Hungary would come in as well, if he didn't have problems with Poland. About Norway I am a bit surprised, though his army movemnts where really odd, I thought he's just a bad player.

But fear not. The Emperor shall bring about Justice.

Well I as all the other players not involved, didn't know about your diplomatic talks running in the background, as also about the movements they made.
All I knew was about the official part you made public (the series of NAP)
I was referring to the reputation of the players involved: I've never seen Gaius Octavius (Tavix ) break any agreement and about Jiub, I've only seen him betraying an alliance once (and it was for a good-noble reason, as otherwise the outcome of the HS would have become obvious, as the other side was heavily outnumbered).

So from an outside perspective, this was absolutely shocking, at least for me.

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 10:26
Im playing the dreaded viking king Ragnar. Ambition comes first.

sonnet
14/07/14, 10:37
Im playing the dreaded viking king Ragnar. Ambition comes first.

well, now I know :laugh4:

Tonno
14/07/14, 10:50
Well I as all the other players not involved, didn't know about your diplomatic talks running in the background, as also about the movements they made.
All I knew was about the official part you made public (the series of NAP)
I was referring to the reputation of the players involved: I've never seen Gaius Octavius (Tavix ) break any agreement and about Jiub, I've only seen him betraying an alliance once (and it was for a good-noble reason, as otherwise the outcome of the HS would have become obvious, as the other side was heavily outnumbered).

So from an outside perspective, this was absolutely shocking, at least for me.

Oh yes that indeed, when Jiub put the straight up lie in the message I was shocked as well.
The good thing thought, I forgot that Tavix was Norway, so I wasn't so trust worthy to him.

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 11:00
Oh yes that indeed, when Jiub put the straight up lie in the message I was shocked as well.
The good thing thought, I forgot that Tavix was Norway, so I wasn't so trust worthy to him.

You prepared something for us, Emperor?

yuonyuon
14/07/14, 11:33
It seems a huge plot was schemed on the back of the Kaiser..
Who would have thought that..I new that from the start , soon all muslims will fear the true catholic coalition.

sonnet
14/07/14, 11:36
I new that from the start , soon all muslims will fear the true catholic coalition.

So France Jiub , Hungary Lord Luka and Core-i7-inside are gonna attack us after they finish HRE & England?
Interesting & thanks for the info, you have no idea how useful you have been..

yuonyuon
14/07/14, 12:27
So France Jiub , Hungary Lord Luka and Core-i7-inside are gonna attack us after they finish HRE & England?
Interesting & thanks for the info, you have no idea how useful you have been..don't mention it . now you have a purpose . and i have to thank you more . Looks like there is no room for the weak in this HS, as result there will be no mercy

LooseCannon1
14/07/14, 13:29
I new that from the start , soon all muslims will fear the true catholic coalition.
Fear what?:on_come: Be carefull that the Padishah, after dealing with the barbarians from the East, does not wish to stick your head on a pike. :hanged: (closest smilie)

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 13:36
Catholic coalition? There s no such thing..

sonnet
14/07/14, 14:04
Catholic coalition? There s no such thing..

A bit too convenient to say that now..and after you lied to the Kaiser, it's not like you have much credibility either way.

Core-i7-inside
14/07/14, 14:18
Fear what?:on_come: Be carefull that the Padishah, after dealing with the barbarians from the East, does not wish to stick your head on a pike. :hanged: (closest smilie)
The babarian from the east? are you talking about your own clan? XD



A bit too convenient to say that now..and after you lied to the Kaiser, it's not like you have much credibility either way.
:rolleyes:

Makrell
14/07/14, 16:13
Moors up

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 16:32
A bit too convenient to say that now..and after you lied to the Kaiser, it's not like you have much credibility either way.

Thats why i said it :)

Makrell
14/07/14, 17:47
a coalition is never stronger than the faction that stands to lose the most or win the least.

Just wait, orthodoxy will prevail, i just need to kill the other orthodoxers first

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 18:37
Moors up

ebs fixed his computer? he might be needing sub.

sonnet
14/07/14, 19:06
a coalition is never stronger than the faction that stands to lose the most or win the least.

Just wait, orthodoxy will prevail, i just need to kill the other orthodoxers first

It seems some sentence with a deep meaning, but I can't catch it..
Makrell would you mind explain it to me?
Gaius Octavius Caesar : I sent him a pm asking him if he needs to be subbed.

Gaius Octavius Caesar
14/07/14, 19:20
It seems some sentence with a deep meaning, but I can't catch it..
Makrell would you mind explain it to me?
Gaius Octavius Caesar : I sent him a pm asking him if he needs to be subbed.
sonnet : he said on TWC that he s hopping tomorrow will fix his PC.

yuonyuon
14/07/14, 20:28
a coalition is never stronger than the faction that stands to lose the most or win the least.

Just wait, orthodoxy will prevail, i just need to kill the other orthodoxers firstyou are not muslim already?
your gang is to small. you are not going to last unless you convert

Tonno
14/07/14, 21:01
you are not muslim already?
your gang is to small. you are not going to last unless you convert

Ah... you zealous dog, he is already a Christian he can't convert. Just the other way, he needs help in fighting off the pagans and muslims.

yuonyuon
14/07/14, 21:29
Ah... you zealous dog, he is already a Christian he can't convert. Just the other way, he needs help in fighting off the pagans and muslims.nahhhh ! they are muslims !:)))))))))))))

i just wonder who are going to subb ebs and in what interest . i think vipman should play with some advices from ebs . that's not going to happen

sonnet
14/07/14, 22:00
i just wonder who are going to subb ebs and in what interest . i think vipman should play with some advices from ebs . that's not going to happen

Ebs asked me to sub him. That you, his enemy, should indicate who should sub him is.. I don't really have words for it.
Especially after you tried to with false claims to get better terms for your negotiation from Ebs, about having captured Valencia and Toulouse.

i see you subbed moors , you did all by yourself or ebs told you to give me that message.

i took all portugal and aragon with exept of palama .

You didn't took toulouse, French did, after your turn (so at the time you sent the pm I quoted, Toulouse was still in Aragonese hands). And Valencia is still in Aragonese hands as I'm speaking (and it might still be this turn too)!.
Taking advantage ,with false claims, of a player, who can't see his turn but has to rely on us to get a picture of the situation, says pretty much how much saying you should have in anything that matter the Moors.
Your behavior has been really borderline and I'm quite disappointed with your behavior.

yuonyuon
14/07/14, 22:19
Ebs asked me to sub him. That you, his enemy, should indicate who should sub him is.. I don't really have words for it.
Especially after you tried to with false claims to get better terms for your negotiation from Ebs, about having captured Valencia and Toulouse.


You didn't took toulouse, French did, after your turn (so at the time you sent the pm I quoted, Toulouse was still in Aragonese hands). And Valencia is still in Aragonese hands as I'm speaking (and it might still be this turn too)!.
Taking advantage ,with false claims, of a player, who can't see his turn but has to rely on us to get a picture of the situation, says pretty much how much saying you should have in anything that matter the Moors.
Your behavior has been really borderline and I'm quite disappointed with your behavior.if you pay attention just one second you will understand . i said i played the turn in that way first . then i played in other way after you give that message " The Sultan Sonnet officially declare war on Castille." i had to renounce at valencia to defeat some moorish armies . also Toulouse is far away from moors so he can t be taken in consideration. and if you really wan t to know i took the general from Toulous with my princes and with 6 units of mercenaries i could take them in turn 3 , but he was left to France.

also i was willing to live Palma Silves to moors since they could take Sicily , but they thought that i m an idiot and they put 4 stacks at my border .
how hard is to recruit a catapult and a ship in Algiers and take Palma??
our deal was messed up from turn 3 . do not put siege weapons in range if you want to be friendly that is my advice . and ebs still didn t answer my offer .

edit: that message was never posted on the main thread . false info as always.

yuonyuon
14/07/14, 22:47
England UP !! Emproment LooseCannon1

Some Jackie Chan SS https://www.mediafire.com/?slik96lieyaxrkj

Portugal destroyed , Aragon just get lucky this turn .

Moors loose 4 stacks all in range of my cities with siege weapons . i didn t have no single unit in range so i considered that as a threat , also the offer was silly .this is my message , and i thought that subbing list it s a real deal and we should respect that.
maybe ebs want peace and you just continue to devastate moors with your moves , are you ever think about that .

sonnet
15/07/14, 00:07
Since Ebs should solve his issues tomorrow, and since his turn is scheduled for tomorrow, we'll wait to see if EBS can play it tomorrow so that he can have a look at his situation, and we can sort out this quarrel.
I hope everyone doesn't mind since it's a delicate situation for the Moors, and it's better if the player can have a look on his turn and decide what's best in order to avoid accusations from any part.
In any case, Yuonyuon you offered nothing: 5 turns NAP is what you offered so that you could regroup ,save the army with the prince and reattack 5 turns later.
Ebs wanted at least 15 turns nap.

yuonyuon
15/07/14, 05:06
Since Ebs should solve his issues tomorrow, and since his turn is scheduled for tomorrow, we'll wait to see if EBS can play it tomorrow so that he can have a look at his situation, and we can sort out this quarrel.
I hope everyone doesn't mind since it's a delicate situation for the Moors, and it's better if the player can have a look on his turn and decide what's best in order to avoid accusations from any part.
In any case, Yuonyuon you offered nothing: 5 turns NAP is what you offered so that you could regroup ,save the army with the prince and reattack 5 turns later.
Ebs wanted at least 15 turns nap.5 turns is better than nothing

sonnet
15/07/14, 08:26
5 turns is better than nothing

Now at least everyone can see what you're trying to do.

Myth
15/07/14, 09:14
I want to remind everyone that alliances with the Papal States are against the rules. I want anyone who is allied with them to load up their last turn and let me know how many turns it would take for their nearest diplomat (or recruitable diplomat) to reach them to break the alliance. It might be worth it for me to do it manually.

Also, I'm on vacation from tomorrow with no access to this PC until the 21st.

I think this got lost in your discussion of your current war. Who is allied with the pope now? let me know.

sonnet
15/07/14, 09:25
I think this got lost in your discussion of your current war. Who is allied with the pope now? let me know. Myth
Last turn France- Jiub was the one allied with the Pope

Jiub
15/07/14, 20:37
Myth
Last turn France- Jiub was the one allied with the Pope
I have a diplomat heading towards Italy. ;)

So France Jiub , Hungary Lord Luka and Core-i7-inside are gonna attack us after they finish HRE & England?
Interesting & thanks for the info, you have no idea how useful you have been..
There is no such plan. But yes, I did lie to Tonno, I think it strange he would believe me to stand idle while he's a huge faction and is about to conquer Italy. It would put him in an awesome position, I would not let chivalry kill me.

It seems a huge plot was schemed on the back of the Kaiser..
Who would have thought that..
Not a plot per se. After England and HRE signed a pact quickly, and especially after HRE would obviously not renounce a settlement here and there to make friends, ppl were on their edge. We quickly made buddies and said that HRE would not be allowed to grow.

I am still chuckling when I think HRE thought he could get away with growing even bigger and stronger without his neighbors bothering about it. :))

Tonno
15/07/14, 21:18
Lol what?
In every message to every player I especially was writing about ME giveing away regions for everyone else.
With you Jiub I made a great deal, white peace while you where let to keep one of my regions, with the extra provinces you would take from the AI that would place you on 13-14 regions (depends how fast you would expand), same was with Lord Luka, placeing him at around 14 provinces where we made a deal to split Poland in a natural expansion way, me getting Prauge and the small town to the north, and I was keen to make sure he gets the Greek ones.
Venice came in with a DIRTY deal that I refused. Offering him same deal (ITALIAN CITIES) for his help in keeping away muslims (so he can take what was an easy target, Greek lands, that are EMPTY of grassion plus he would take Sicily. That would place him at around 12-13 provinces, depending if he would let me to keep Pisa.
Norway came to me only to talk about Stettin I could easily said it's mine, but I kept it fair and said it's fair game for him, me and TO, and I didn't even rush the castle. He never again spoke about anything, and he is the weakest in the region count at 8. Just to add, I could have easily taken Gotland and at least one Denmark castle with no problems, but I kept it fair.

I KNEW I would not go freely in expanding, that's why I especially wrote about deals considering regions.

It's pretty simple, you didn't read, you didn't think, you didn't care after you made your plot valid. You saw your chance to get some cheap lands in the group attack on me and you used it. It's pretty low from a high esteemed "chiv" player.

To add.
In total I would end on 19 provinces, while I have started on 15. With no giveing away of my regions to Norway (I repeat HE didn't contact me about anything but about Stettin), I would be plus 4 in regions count, just like everyone else +/- 1-3 depending on how fast, and what are the deals with other players in the game considering expanding.
If you even start thinking about "but you got 19 regions" I'll smack the white out of you.

sonnet
15/07/14, 21:24
LooseCannon1

https://www.mediafire.com/?28wlb2379kk0yyz

As EBS is not showing up, 5 turns NAP was signed with Castille.
https://www.mediafire.com/?28wlb2379kk0yyz



Not a plot per se. After England and HRE signed a pact quickly, and especially after HRE would obviously not renounce a settlement here and there to make friends, ppl were on their edge. We quickly made buddies and said that HRE would not be allowed to grow.

I am still chuckling when I think HRE thought he could get away with growing even bigger and stronger without his neighbors bothering about it. :))
Jiub : like I said, I'm not debating your reasons. It's not difficult to imagine HRE and his neighbors might have different views on who should get what. I have no idea if you and of what you talked about, but I was indeed surprised on how quickly and (apparently) easily all those NAPs were signed. And indeed I was curious to see map update for turn 5 to see how everything was settled.
But since those NAPs were signed, I imagined everything was settled satisfactorily for every sides.
For you all this seemed obvious, and HRE might have seen this coming. But for the others not involved this turned all of a sudden "medieval happy family " to "medieval total war"

Core-i7-inside
15/07/14, 21:56
Lol what?
In every message to every player I especially was writing about ME giveing away regions for everyone else.
With you Jiub I made a great deal, white peace while you where let to keep one of my regions, with the extra provinces you would take from the AI that would place you on 13-14 regions (depends how fast you would expand), same was with Lord Luka, placeing him at around 14 provinces where we made a deal to split Poland in a natural expansion way, me getting Prauge and the small town to the north, and I was keen to make sure he gets the Greek ones.
Venice came in with a DIRTY deal that I refused. Offering him same deal (ITALIAN CITIES) for his help in keeping away muslims (so he can take what was an easy target, Greek lands, that are EMPTY of grassion plus he would take Sicily. That would place him at around 12-13 provinces, depending if he would let me to keep Pisa.
Norway came to me only to talk about Stettin I could easily said it's mine, but I kept it fair and said it's fair game for him, me and TO, and I didn't even rush the castle. He never again spoke about anything, and he is the weakest in the region count at 8. Just to add, I could have easily taken Gotland and at least one Denmark castle with no problems, but I kept it fair.

I KNEW I would not go freely in expanding, that's why I especially wrote about deals considering regions.

It's pretty simple, you didn't read, you didn't think, you didn't care after you made your plot valid. You saw your chance to get some cheap lands in the group attack on me and you used it. It's pretty low from a high esteemed "chiv" player.

To add.
In total I would end on 19 provinces, while I have started on 15. With no giveing away of my regions to Norway (I repeat HE didn't contact me about anything but about Stettin), I would be plus 4 in regions count, just like everyone else +/- 1-3 depending on how fast, and what are the deals with other players in the game considering expanding.
If you even start thinking about "but you got 19 regions" I'll smack the white out of you.

Greedy fake emperor is greedy. He could even attack the papal states for more lands.
You deserve a group attack greedy emperor. We must group up or else we would end up like the papal states. :P


like I said, I'm not debating your reasons. It's not difficult to imagine HRE and his neighbors might have different views on who should get what. I have no idea if you and of what you talked about, but I was indeed surprised on how quickly and (apparently) easily all those NAPs were signed. And indeed I was curious to see map update for turn 5 to see how everything was settled.
But since those NAPs were signed, I imagined everything was settled satisfactorily for every sides.
For you all this seemed obvious, and HRE might have seen this coming. But for the others not involved this turned all of a sudden "medieval happy family " to "medieval total war"
I love the word "medieval happy family" XD
and yeah, this is how total war would be like. nap, nap, and nap is not total war.

yuonyuon
15/07/14, 22:17
You better make a true 5 turns NAP than 30 fake one. :)) if emperor didn t have NAP with everyone was in better shape without knowing what going to happen , also all their soldiers have been on the walls.

those players that break the NAP should be put on the black list for real , but not because they break the deal , first because they make the deal to early .

now since the things are are settled in the western Europe , i can wait to see who will going to break the ice an the middle east . lol also with what claims :)))

Gaius Octavius Caesar
15/07/14, 22:17
Lol what?
In every message to every player I especially was writing about ME giveing away regions for everyone else.
With you Jiub I made a great deal, white peace while you where let to keep one of my regions, with the extra provinces you would take from the AI that would place you on 13-14 regions (depends how fast you would expand), same was with Lord Luka, placeing him at around 14 provinces where we made a deal to split Poland in a natural expansion way, me getting Prauge and the small town to the north, and I was keen to make sure he gets the Greek ones.
Venice came in with a DIRTY deal that I refused. Offering him same deal (ITALIAN CITIES) for his help in keeping away muslims (so he can take what was an easy target, Greek lands, that are EMPTY of grassion plus he would take Sicily. That would place him at around 12-13 provinces, depending if he would let me to keep Pisa.
Norway came to me only to talk about Stettin I could easily said it's mine, but I kept it fair and said it's fair game for him, me and TO, and I didn't even rush the castle. He never again spoke about anything, and he is the weakest in the region count at 8. Just to add, I could have easily taken Gotland and at least one Denmark castle with no problems, but I kept it fair.

I KNEW I would not go freely in expanding, that's why I especially wrote about deals considering regions.

It's pretty simple, you didn't read, you didn't think, you didn't care after you made your plot valid. You saw your chance to get some cheap lands in the group attack on me and you used it. It's pretty low from a high esteemed "chiv" player.

To add.
In total I would end on 19 provinces, while I have started on 15. With no giveing away of my regions to Norway (I repeat HE didn't contact me about anything but about Stettin), I would be plus 4 in regions count, just like everyone else +/- 1-3 depending on how fast, and what are the deals with other players in the game considering expanding.
If you even start thinking about "but you got 19 regions" I'll smack the white out of you.

Why should i asked cities from you? You could ve simply refused and figured out that i want that specific regions and bring troops to defend properly.
It was clearly i want the Yutland Peninsula because it belonged to the northsmen.
Also, if you have taken one of the danish castles and Gotland, you couldnt have defended it as your navy is no match to mine.

Tonno
15/07/14, 22:33
Why should i asked cities from you? You could ve simply refused and figured out that i want that specific regions and bring troops to defend properly.
It was clearly i want the Yutland Peninsula because it belonged to the northsmen.
Also, if you have taken one of the danish castles and Gotland, you couldnt have defended it as your navy is no match to mine.

I could simply make deals with England and TO to destroy you, that's simple. To understand what are you thinking isn't simple.

In your message, you said that you seek to unite Scandinavia, and proposed a NAP. So somehow from that I am to understand you wanted two danish citys? lol
Later you asked for Stettin and I specially said do you seek to unite Scandinavia?, both of does times you said yes and nothing more, nothing at all. The NAP didn't came up with a condition, nothing. I would say you, at that moment, didn't know you'll had a chance in attacking me with a huge gank from other players, so you just made a deal for anything you could scrach, since you where the weakest one.
Why not ask cities from me if we are going to make deals?
France asked for a city and we made a deal, Hungary was realy clear about his moves, Venic was shady from the start, with no real message. I am not here to THINK for you guys, and I don't plan to do that.

So now you are trying to mingle your self out of a obvious cowardice and irresponsible diplomacy.
PS
I don't need stronger navy when I have players that now how to make diplo deals. Should have went with TO and England on takeing you down from the start. (angry talk from me)

Tonno
15/07/14, 22:38
Greedy fake emperor is greedy. He could even attack the papal states for more lands.
You deserve a group attack greedy emperor. We must group up or else we would end up like the papal states. :P


By you not being able to say anything smart just supports everything I said. Your play was just like the famous Desly was playing in TWC.

yuonyuon
15/07/14, 22:45
By you not being able to say anything smart just supports everything I said. Your play was just like the famous Desly was playing in TWC.ohh , that guy that was kick out first from every HS? . lol

sonnet
15/07/14, 23:21
LooseCannon1 save reuploaded. I have no idea why Mediafire is giving such problems.
Is it possible that the problem is that you're residing in the US?

LooseCannon1
16/07/14, 01:02
LooseCannon1 save reuploaded. I have no idea why Mediafire is giving such problems.
Is it possible that the problem is that you're residing in the US?
Well, that would be weird since Mediafire is headquartered in Texas. (:laugh4: Maybe they really do want to secede?) I think it has something to do with our locations.

Turks up

Emproment
16/07/14, 06:08
Texas Pride.

I was born in Dallas.

Core-i7-inside
16/07/14, 06:24
By you not being able to say anything smart just supports everything I said. Your play was just like the famous Desly was playing in TWC.

Come on guy, I don't think there is anything wrong with the famous Desley. XD
I wish I were good at English, so I would explain you why attacking HRE is a smartest choice I have. But, my English is bad, so I would say you are fake and greedy, that's all. :P

Gaius Octavius Caesar
16/07/14, 07:46
I could simply make deals with England and TO to destroy you, that's simple. To understand what are you thinking isn't simple.

In your message, you said that you seek to unite Scandinavia, and proposed a NAP. So somehow from that I am to understand you wanted two danish citys? lol
Later you asked for Stettin and I specially said do you seek to unite Scandinavia?, both of does times you said yes and nothing more, nothing at all. The NAP didn't came up with a condition, nothing. I would say you, at that moment, didn't know you'll had a chance in attacking me with a huge gank from other players, so you just made a deal for anything you could scrach, since you where the weakest one.
Why not ask cities from me if we are going to make deals?
France asked for a city and we made a deal, Hungary was realy clear about his moves, Venic was shady from the start, with no real message. I am not here to THINK for you guys, and I don't plan to do that.

So now you are trying to mingle your self out of a obvious cowardice and irresponsible diplomacy.
PS
I don't need stronger navy when I have players that now how to make diplo deals. Should have went with TO and England on takeing you down from the start. (angry talk from me)

That was my idea that you never knew i want those cities.

And if i asked for those regions you could ve made deals to destroy me so i didnt risk it.

Look, i dont even have to explain myself, we ll see if i made the right move here. Now it seems i do but you ll never know.

sonnet
16/07/14, 12:03
War has been declared to Egypt!.
Due to divergences about the destiny of some Greek settlement as also the lack of help in supporting the Moors as promised by the Fatimid's Caliph, the relations between the Turks and the Mamluks quickly deteriorated.
The Caliph so started to change his plans to invade Greece with his 3 stacks, and instead intended to attack the Sultanate.
We couldn't let him have the chance of attacking first, and so we broke the NAP, to save our kingdom.

Rhodes and Acre have been captured. This is not a war of expansion, and the Sultan plans to replace the Fatimids with another dynasty.
https://www.mediafire.com/?ss17d0shh607axo

SS asap.
dur3x : pictures added

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Tonno
16/07/14, 12:37
O dude I needed that Muslim army :/

PS
Don't forget to blacklist your self.

Core-i7-inside
16/07/14, 12:44
The Venetian Doge is so glad about this, he would like to give the Turkish Sultan some tributes. :laugh4:

dur3x
16/07/14, 12:54
War has been declared to Egypt!.
Due to divergences about the destiny of some Greek settlement as also the lack of help in supporting the Moors as promised by the Fatimid's Caliph, the relations between the Turks and the Mamluks quickly deteriorated.
The Caliph so started to change his plans to invade Greece with his 3 stacks, and instead intended to attack the Sultanate.
We couldn't let him have the chance of attacking first, and so we broke the NAP, to save our kingdom.

Rhodes and Acre have been captured. This is not a war of expansion, and the Sultan plans to replace the Fatimids with another dynasty.
https://www.mediafire.com/?ss17d0shh607axo

SS asap.
dur3x : pictures added

https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/byebytoad/hversand48_zps2cf6bef8.png (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/byebytoad/media/hversand48_zps2cf6bef8.png.html)
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You are a just a liar, We didn't intend to attack you, we spoke after my turn so you are just a :daisy: with eyes because I didn't want to attack Castile and your job with Moors against Castile was terrible, you want to save them now, but they won't be saved and will be destroyed like me. You always want to command other players by your rules, to be the king of HS. You demonstrate today about your honestly and your personal character. I will never do what you say, never. And now other factoins are looking and waiting for Turks to destroy me and then to be commanded by the Mighty Sultan, lol.

Tonno
16/07/14, 12:57
what?
PS
A quick question. I've been playing this crusader kings game, to short up the story, I got the Byz crown and then I got the Constantinople county. It says that the vanguard, unit you can build in some mods of MTW2, are Norse people?
Is that historically accurate?

Core-i7-inside
16/07/14, 13:09
You are a just a liar, We didn't intend to attack you, we spoke after my turn so you are just a shit with eyes because I didn't want to attack Castile and your job with Moors against Castile was terrible, you want to save them now, but they won't be saved and will be destroyed like me. You always want to command other players by your rules, to be the king of HS. You demonstrate today about your honestly and your personal character. I will never do what you say, never. And now other factoins are looking and waiting for Turks to destroy me and then to be commanded by the Mighty Sultan, lol.
Give up already? Poor Sultan.
You're always welcome in Venice. When you lost your homeland, don't forget there is a slummy place in Venice for you Sultan.

sonnet
16/07/14, 14:00
You are a just a liar, We didn't intend to attack you, we spoke after my turn so you are just a shit with eyes because I didn't want to attack Castile and your job with Moors against Castile was terrible, you want to save them now, but they won't be saved and will be destroyed like me. You always want to command other players by your rules, to be the king of HS. You demonstrate today about your honestly and your personal character. I will never do what you say, never. And now other factoins are looking and waiting for Turks to destroy me and then to be commanded by the Mighty Sultan, lol.
I will answer once, and that's all I have to say in the matter.
At the start of the campaign, you were the one asking me about my intentions with the Moors. You said you wanted to help them.
And I replied to you that I didn't care, as they could do well by themselves and the situation was balanced enough. Fact is, as later it was revealed, that you never really intended to help the Moors. Actually you were working in the back with Castille, telling him what I was telling you .
Since you're talking about lies.. you should tell the truth.
I don't care who you ally with, but if you tells me one thing, and do another, and if you tells to my enemy what I'm telling you, you should understand that my trust towards you will dramatically decrease
And being neighbors, I need to trust you 100% (something I was willing to give you at the start of the campaign, and ironically I was giving you 100% trust even if I didn't know you, although from your post you think you know me well even if we didn't ever play together..? :inquisitive:). And

In the first 3 turns I disbanded many units (including the jihad armies, the upkeep cost of my armies went down by 75%, yes you it got it righ! I had as this turn started only 25% of the upkeep cost I would have had when I started including my jihad armies).
So obviously I trusted you so much that I demilitarized completely. And the main forces left were in Mosul and Constantinople (they were already there and since I thought I'd be at peace with everyone I didn't find necessary to move them) far from you regions.

After Castille attacked the Moors, you started twisting your own words, basically revealing your true intentions: you never intended to help the Moors, you just wanted to take advantage of the war between Moors and Castille to capture the Greek and Italian settlements, knowing that you'd be safe in any case: if Castille wins, you had already your secret alliance with him. If Moors win, you're safe either way as you pretended to help him. And that's fine, as long as you were honest from the start.(or at least keep your mouth shut)
But again, if you start making false claims and playing the double-agent trick, there are risks involved with it. And those risks bring consequences. Other players are not stupid and thinking they would not see through your intentions revealed to be your worst mistake.

So, then as you backed off from your (and twisting them) own words about helping the Moors, manipulating the meaning of what you said.
I backed from mine (although I didn't say it clearly , I implied I wouldn't capture any Greek settlement, and indeed I had no such intention until you started lying to me) to not interfere in Greece. All in all I never said I wouldn't capture the Greek settlements. I told you you can expand as much as you like there..and when I did the same trick you used against me, then suddenly this trick was not nice..and you didn't like it at all.
You didn't like it so much that you heavily offended me (I won't repeat the word here). So forgive me if I didn't trust you will respect the NAP after you get so much angered in your last pm's and insulted me.


So on this turn, I had 2 choices: being nice and trustworthy in other player's chivalry like I have been when subbing the Moors (it was not true I put a siege weapon in sight of Toledo, the siege weapon was all there, and in 20 minutes I had to make the diplomacy Ebs didn't make, leaving to me to decide everything. As such I made movements to capture Silves -imagin moving a stack in a single ship..yeah that's really a move someone willing to wage war would do, offering peace trusting Yuonyuon won't take advantage of what happened to Ebs and accept the nap. You mocked that..but now that a similar situation -being attacked without expecting it or being prepared for it..- happened to you,you're not laughing anymore and you don't mock yourself like you mocked me for being naive..don't you?) revealed to be indeed to be a poor choice.

And if I had trusted you to not attack me (after you get angered in your posts and insulted me, it didn't seem that likely that you'd remain peaceful considering that you had more and less widespread armies than me, and that if I let you the initiative I'd be in a situation 10 times worse than you're now), I'd be the one dead now and you'd be mocking me for being naive..dictating worse terms then the ones I gave to you,bragging all around about which good player you are saying some sentences like "no mercy to the weak" and so on.

About doing what I tell you to do: I offered you deals. That's it. Funny how, you didn't get shocked by it when the same was done by you buddy the Castillian King Yuonyuon. Now you're seeing the other side of the medal: and as you see, it's not that fun when you're on the other side of it. And that's why I won't mock you for your naivety or mistakes like you did. Now you can keep being angered or being honest with yourself and see that you played your part in what happened to you.

And one last thing about my subbing the Moors: you either mock me because I'm a bad player (and in that case you won't have problem in the war between the turks and your faction, since you're obviously much better) or if you think I'm a good player, then Castille took an unfair advantage of the contingency the Moors found themselves in (as subbing in 20 minutes a faction which din't make any diplomacy and many other things, was not a task that could be done well by any player)
But you can't have it both ways..

There are also few other things that I could say, but they don't really need to be mentioned.

Gaius Octavius Caesar
16/07/14, 17:11
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PS
A quick question. I've been playing this crusader kings game, to short up the story, I got the Byz crown and then I got the Constantinople county. It says that the vanguard, unit you can build in some mods of MTW2, are Norse people?
Is that historically accurate?
Tonno Yes. Varangians was the name that greeks gave to vikings. They first settled in Russia ( Novrogod and Kievan Rus), after they moved to Greece and formed the byzantine varangian guards.
sonnet welcome to the b-list :)