Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

[Visor]

From here on out I will be enforcing the host's request to please not thank posts in the thread.

A request has been made and now that everybody is on the same page it's common courtesy to abide by it. :bow:

Thanks.

[Visor]

I like your town list so far I think Al Sips.

I want to lynch Choxorn tomorrow.

Possibly landlubber too.

[Csargo]

DAY TWO

Zack was lynched. He was Town!



He was the best of us.

[Choxorn]

Wait.

Barto is Takhisis?

Takhibarto the Renewer* is silly and doesn't like to keep the same screen name from site to site like the rest of us.

*He's Treva the Renewer on TWC.

[Sooh]

Takhibarto the Renewer* is silly and doesn't like to keep the same screen name from site to site like the rest of us.

*He's Treva the Renewer on TWC.

Lol you learn something new every day.

[Sooh]

I know exactly why you're reading her town too, btw.*confused*

Why?

[Al Sipsclar]

*confused*

Why?

I thought it's an old joke.





Question to the thread at large: Who is Barto on cfc?
El Barto = Takhisis
You could only know that if you were seeing me on a QuickTopic, so you are clearly my mafia partner.

[El Barto]

NIGHT TWO

Kennigit was found dead.

He was a Cultist!

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. seireikhaan
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Day Three. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes and heed your wise, infallible GM.

[Askthepizzaguy]

what is a survivor


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8fysvEFIck

I wonder when jarrema and visorslash will just get together day 1 instead of coy flirtation

vote: Raith Kemmler

can you use people's screen names as they appear in the thread? I don't know who Tiaexzs is

that's an extremely odd thing to say, for really no reason. If you aren't voting to lynch him and no real weight is behind him (except zack), why emphatically state that?

vote: GeneralHankerchief

I didn't like your posting yesterday and don't like it today. This is a strange criticism but it really felt to me like you had some reason to vote golden1knight lined up but no one asked you to elaborate (I mean, you did do a 1-post-with-vote and then when jarrema did the same question him). This on top of a forced post about who voted innocents so far.

it's like you're the cult leader and failed to convert a mafia and just BEGGING to prove your innocence. "LET ME LYNCH A MAFIA GUYS, ITS MY GUT FEELING"

i don't understand, are you actually making a third party claim?

This is how traditions are born.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: khaan

I think there's more going on here than meets the eye.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyway, Raith, I see you joined here for this game as well? Might as well target the obvious competition first, it's a fair tactic :3
Vote: Raith Kemmler

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: khaan

I think there's more going on here than meets the eye.

Formally?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hah. :laugh4:

No, not formally. Not even semi-formally. But call it a strong hunch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm a power role too.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, putting the crypto-talk aside:

I think khaan is scum, specifically mafia.

I think he picked up on Kennigit's oddly strong accusation of me the previous phase and tried to get him lynched, picking up some cred along the way. He wouldn't push it too hard because then he'd be falling into the same trap but Kennigit did, but it was a good case in an ultimately bad round and hopefully, per him, people would pick up on it.

However, it got no traction and khaan, trusting his instincts, still had him killed at night rather than press the case. This is what twigged me. Scum khaan puts it out there, see if anyone bites, and then takes care of the problem himself. Townie khaan gets a lot more bullheaded and would have pushed the case for the next few rounds regardless of what else was going on.

To make it perfectly plain this case is little more than a personality read but I'm quite confident that it's an accurate one.

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is exactly the kind of read khaan is very good at making and this is exactly the kind of thing he'd do to respond to it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: khaan 'cuz I'm not bitter at all. ~;p

[Visor]

I do that a lot as a town vig/sk fwiw, suspect someone in the day phase, if they don't get lynched, vig them.

The read on khaan seems fair,

Sooh is btw cleared of being mafia. And cultist until today.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If khaan's acting solo though, where's the mafia kill?

[Visor]

How many night phases has there been?

GH could be mafia who kennigits team tried to convert hence the strong push and GH saw it and is trying to frame khaan

[GeneralHankerchief]

How many night phases has there been?

Two so far.

[Al Sipsclar]

Voting someone, then killing them is not too obvious a connection?
I'll be fine with khaan's lynch, but I think I'd like to hear more from Vote: Cuthillius first. Or Choxorn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Consider the following assumptions/statements/whatevers:


I do think Pizza is town just based off the previous round.

Al Sips is a lot quieter than he was last game, but that might just be because this isn't his home forum and he hasn't checked it as much.

Gut feeling on Golden being scum, can't back that up with remotely anything though.

I don't think Al Sips being quiet is alignment indicative fwiw.

I also tend to agree on Pizza being town.

No conversion headaches on d1 when pizza made that post lol. hmmm I don't like the tone of this post. It feels like you're taunting me because you know pizza is not actually the cult leader, and you want to see me embarrassed by the result. reeks of pis

unvote, vote: Raith Kemmler

Slight town:
Askthepizzaguy

I don't want to lynch Pizza today

vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

How do you know he is not mafia

[Askthepizzaguy]

16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.

~:handball:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Reenk?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk?

:stupido:

Vote: Abstain, courteously. :bow:

[landlubber]

Eh.

Vote:Khaan.

[seireikhaan]

Okay, putting the crypto-talk aside:

I think khaan is scum, specifically mafia.

I think he picked up on Kennigit's oddly strong accusation of me the previous phase and tried to get him lynched, picking up some cred along the way. He wouldn't push it too hard because then he'd be falling into the same trap but Kennigit did, but it was a good case in an ultimately bad round and hopefully, per him, people would pick up on it.

However, it got no traction and khaan, trusting his instincts, still had him killed at night rather than press the case. This is what twigged me. Scum khaan puts it out there, see if anyone bites, and then takes care of the problem himself. Townie khaan gets a lot more bullheaded and would have pushed the case for the next few rounds regardless of what else was going on.

To make it perfectly plain this case is little more than a personality read but I'm quite confident that it's an accurate one.
Dang. That makes complete sense. If I was someone that wasn't me, I'd probably be all aboard that train of thought. Unfortunate. It *is* fairly accurate.

Only real defense I have for not pushing ken's lynch harder was that literally nobody even responded to my post or even acknowledged its existence, and it was fairly late into the phase so I shrugged it off and figured I'd take another run at it the next day.

[seireikhaan]

How many night phases has there been?

GH could be mafia who kennigits team tried to convert hence the strong push and GH saw it and is trying to frame khaan
I don't think so. Too bold of a move this early, I think, given the game has reveals.

[Jarema]

I like GH's arguments against Khaan. Also, his defense is nonexisting and when analyzing his recent comment, it is easy to go into endless WIFOM
vote: Khaan

[seireikhaan]

I like GH's arguments against Khaan. Also, his defense is nonexisting and when analyzing his recent comment, it is easy to go into endless WIFOM
vote: Khaan
Wish I had a good defense, but GH's reasoning is very correct. :shrug: He's wrong, of course, but this is probably the least mad I can be about being lynched because the setup was very nicely executed.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy


Because I don't think GH would bother framing me this early. The kennegit kill feels like it has Pizza smeared on it to me. I'll explain my conspiracy theory in proper when I've had some time to snooze on it.

[Sooh]

Wish I had a good defense, but GH's reasoning is very correct. :shrug: He's wrong, of course, but this is probably the least mad I can be about being lynched because the setup was very nicely executed.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy


Because I don't think GH would bother framing me this early. The kennegit kill feels like it has Pizza smeared on it to me. I'll explain my conspiracy theory in proper when I've had some time to snooze on it.This made me giggle.

Vote: Khaan

Reason: All who vote him (her?) can't be scum, so there must be something there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyway, Raith, I see you joined here for this game as well? Might as well target the obvious competition first, it's a fair tactic :3
Vote: Raith Kemmler

[Visor]

ATPG, I am gonna spite vote you if you don't drop the schtick. If you don't wanna do anything thats fine, but I am tired of reading stuff people said from other games.

In other news, thanks to our glorious mod overlord, me and Al Sipsclar are basically cleared town.

So yeah, my participation in this game is gonna rapidly dwindle because I am gonna get shot by the mafia tonight or tomorrow because we are now both prime conversion targets.

[Zain]

Vote:Al Sipsclar

Where you at buddy?

[Visor]

Vote:Al Sipsclar

Where you at buddy?

Vote: Zain

He is basically mod confirmed town.

That's a lazy vote if I ever saw one. He has also been active today so I don't know what your plan is here Zain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: visorslash

The mod can confirm you upon your flip imo

[Askthepizzaguy]

I need about 4 more votes on Visorslash today.

He flips town, lynch me tomorrow.

[GeneralHankerchief]

ATPG, I am gonna spite vote you if you don't drop the schtick. If you don't wanna do anything thats fine, but I am tired of reading stuff people said from other games.

In other news, thanks to our glorious mod overlord, me and Al Sipsclar are basically cleared town.

So yeah, my participation in this game is gonna rapidly dwindle because I am gonna get shot by the mafia tonight or tomorrow because we are now both prime conversion targets.

You might not be maf, but you could still be cult.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you lynch me first, I'll die on the town team. If you're not sure about Visor, kill me first so I win with town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You might not be maf, but you could still be cult.

There are zero dead mafia so far. Unless the mafia team is exactly Visor and Al, neither one is clear, and ya, either could be cult.

Good news: pizza is and always has been town. And always will be, fingers crossed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If you lynch me first, I'll die on the town team. If you're not sure about Visor, kill me first so I win with town.

Or we could just lynch khaan and postpone the 8726585285978624th iteration of this particular gambit of yours... :juggle2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Khaan, then Visor is acceptable.

[Visor]

You might not be maf, but you could still be cult.

Sure, if you really believe that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This one's not a gambit, btw.

a) I don't care about cult games.
b) Visor just claimed not townie

In my one meaningful act this game, I want Visor's guilty ass.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sure, if you really believe that.

I said "could", not "likely to be", assuming the cult's been doing silent recruitment so far. I don't see why you're pushing this so hard.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because he's guilty.

Wasn't caught by the mod, but trying to play it off like it proves he's innocent.

Nailed to a cross.

[Visor]

I said "could", not "likely to be", assuming the cult's been doing silent recruitment so far. I don't see why you're pushing this so hard.

How am I pushing it hard? I just think its extremely unlikely for me to cult.

(If I was a cultist I would recruit attempt to recruit ATPG because we have never been wolves together in a long game fwiw).

[Visor]

Because he's guilty.

Wasn't caught by the mod, but trying to play it off like it proves he's innocent.

Nailed to a cross.

https://i.imgur.com/DX6ISXQ.gif

[Askthepizzaguy]

Disagree all you want, guilty boy.

You utterly wrecked yourself, never not lynching you this game.

PS Die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey, I dropped the schtick, Visor.

You obviously shouldn't lynch me now, it proves I'm townie with the same amount of logic you just tried to blow past people.

[Visor]

I think my conversions would go:
1. ATPG
2. BSmith
3. Jarema

and in a basically random order from there

[Askthepizzaguy]

284+286 = Visor is guilty in every universe.

[Visor]

284+286 = Visor is guilty in every universe.

https://i.imgur.com/ehp6zfp.gif

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jlawlcatting itt

[Askthepizzaguy]

Didja think because I was fooling around I was phoning it in or something?

Just want to know if you thought you were talking to kindergarteners about Santa claus.

[Visor]

I think one of my favourite parts of mafia games is getting called a wolf in scenarios where its highly unlikely to be one.

Nobody ever believes the lone yeller and when the person they are yelling about eventually gets nightkilled they suddenly forget that they wasted phase after phase yelling about a clear townie

[Visor]

Didja think because I was fooling around I was phoning it in or something?

Just want to know if you thought you were talking to kindergarteners about Santa claus.

The only thing I thought about your posts this game was how annoying it was to read the quotes from old games instead of anything relevant to this one.

[Visor]

In any case Zain is the definition of phoning it in this game.

I am also fairly sure Choxorn is scum but I cbf actually trying to lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think one of my favourite parts of mafia games is getting called a wolf in scenarios where its highly unlikely to be one.

True, you can be mafia or cult, but not a wolf.

And not a townie.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think one of my favourite parts of mafia games is getting called a wolf in scenarios where its highly unlikely to be one.

Nobody ever believes the lone yeller and when the person they are yelling about eventually gets nightkilled they suddenly forget that they wasted phase after phase yelling about a clear townie

This situation is easily avoided if you don't clear yourself in situations where you're not cleared.

As far as I'm concerned the fact that you were publicly roleblocked at night, combined with what we know what happened, doesn't change much. Makes you more unlikely to be mafia and - putting WIFOM aside - no real change in likeliness to be cult.

[Visor]

True, you can be mafia or cult, but not a wolf.

And not a townie.

https://media.giphy.com/media/yWQNG57XtqasM/giphy.gif

[Visor]

This situation is easily avoided if you don't clear yourself in situations where you're not cleared.

As far as I'm concerned the fact that you were publicly roleblocked at night, combined with what we know what happened, doesn't change much. Makes you more unlikely to be mafia and - putting WIFOM aside - no real change in likeliness to be cult.

I think I am potentially more likely to be cult, depending on how the cult play the game.

Cult might think, this guy is likely to not be lynched because of being publically roleblocked, so go away.

OFC I could be immune to cult so that might backfire.

Who knows.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It doesn't change the likeliness of his being mafia unless the mafia team is exactly limited to himself and Al.

Partner can send the kill in any other world.

[Visor]

It doesn't change the likeliness of his being mafia unless the mafia team is exactly limited to himself and Al.

Partner can send the kill in any other world.

Well, you can rule out me being the mafia killer along with al sips!

for whatever good that will do you

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, you can rule out me being the mafia killer along with al sips!

for whatever good that will do you

I thought you were lack claire. Instead all you have is one really unlikely universe removed from the pile.

You're lacking something and it's not clarity.

[Visor]

I thought you were lack claire. Instead all you have is one really unlikely universe removed from the pile.

You're lacking something and it's not clarity.

It might be a sense of caring

oh and i am still lock clear, its just a delayed reveal

part of my role ;)

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can die and be mafia, and I won't cry or anything, Visor.

But you were probably peeved because you lost a conversion last night or something.

[Visor]

You can die and be mafia, and I won't cry or anything, Visor.

But you were probably peeved because you lost a conversion last night or something.

Sorry but I'm

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTirrkZyviOhS17cU8BdLi4qaNFeaIdoBREg1T7sL8CNsY5DbUxql1pjYY8

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry u outed yourself.

[Visor]

Sorry u outed yourself.

i am lickitty lack claire

[Askthepizzaguy]

Be back in a few hours, need Norwegian ID photo.

Lynch Visor. Khaan if Visor also gets lynched is fine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i am lickitty lack claire

You wish.

Cult games suck, let's just agree on this.

[Visor]

You wish.

Cult games suck, let's just agree on this.

well yeah i agree

but i'm still lickitty lack

[Visor]

I'm just glad zack is dead so I don't have to wake up to a bunch of posts saying that I am obviously not clear and voting me because of me claiming it

:P

sorry zack

[Visor]

I don't think it really matters in a game like this, but Sooh's post asking if El Barto = takhiss is actually a pretty sick angleshoot.

Unintentionally of course, I don't think she did that on purpose, but saying that heavily implies that she is town as in qt's El Barto's name is takhisis.

so yeah. probably gonna be a convert at some stage

clearer than me and al sips anyway

[GeneralHankerchief]

Because I don't want this to get lost in the... whatever the heck the last page-and-a-half was, I still want khaan to be the lynch.

My case on him:


Okay, putting the crypto-talk aside:

I think khaan is scum, specifically mafia.

I think he picked up on Kennigit's oddly strong accusation of me the previous phase and tried to get him lynched, picking up some cred along the way. He wouldn't push it too hard because then he'd be falling into the same trap but Kennigit did, but it was a good case in an ultimately bad round and hopefully, per him, people would pick up on it.

However, it got no traction and khaan, trusting his instincts, still had him killed at night rather than press the case. This is what twigged me. Scum khaan puts it out there, see if anyone bites, and then takes care of the problem himself. Townie khaan gets a lot more bullheaded and would have pushed the case for the next few rounds regardless of what else was going on.

To make it perfectly plain this case is little more than a personality read but I'm quite confident that it's an accurate one.


This is exactly the kind of read khaan is very good at making and this is exactly the kind of thing he'd do to respond to it.

His response:


Dang. That makes complete sense. If I was someone that wasn't me, I'd probably be all aboard that train of thought. Unfortunate. It *is* fairly accurate.

Only real defense I have for not pushing ken's lynch harder was that literally nobody even responded to my post or even acknowledged its existence, and it was fairly late into the phase so I shrugged it off and figured I'd take another run at it the next day.


Wish I had a good defense, but GH's reasoning is very correct. :shrug: He's wrong, of course, but this is probably the least mad I can be about being lynched because the setup was very nicely executed.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy


Because I don't think GH would bother framing me this early. The kennegit kill feels like it has Pizza smeared on it to me. I'll explain my conspiracy theory in proper when I've had some time to snooze on it.

While I'm glad that khaan approves of the case if not the lynch target because I won't have to hear about it on Steamchat later today (:tongue:), I can't really press this any further because I already made my case and his defense is less of an argument and more of a "good thinking but it wasn't me" type deal. Still think he's scum and it's going to have to be resolved sooner or later, preferably sooner. Preferably today.

[Visor]

Vote: Khaan

I guess I can go along with it.

Not enough traction for Choxorn or Zain (or landlubber).

[GeneralHankerchief]

FWIW I do think Chox and lubber need to be looked at but I have a better case on khaan atm. Zain I think isn't scum, just distracted by running his own game.

[seireikhaan]

Because I don't think GH would bother framing me this early.
So on further evaluation, I actually retract this statement. GH would totally take the opportunity to dunk me on day 3 just because. Doesn't mean he's mafia, necessarily. Still think it's more likely he's cult than mafia.

Also, c'mon, Visor, you know better than to claim automatic innocence like that when there's multiple factions and recruitment. Tsk tsk.

Still would like an ATPG lynch, for reasons I won't reveal.

[Visor]

So on further evaluation, I actually retract this statement. GH would totally take the opportunity to dunk me on day 3 just because. Doesn't mean he's mafia, necessarily. Still think it's more likely he's cult than mafia.

Also, c'mon, Visor, you know better than to claim automatic innocence like that when there's multiple factions and recruitment. Tsk tsk.

Still would like an ATPG lynch, for reasons I won't reveal.

At this stage of the day, with this many votes, probably wise to reveal.

Oh and yes I do know better, but it isn't going to stop me doing it. :laugh4:

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: khaan

[seireikhaan]

At this stage of the day, with this many votes, probably wise to reveal.

Nah, wouldn't mean much, it's all gut instinct and paranoid ravings. Besides, the town's made up its mind, my buns are toasty.

Oh and yes I do know better, but it isn't going to stop me doing it. :laugh4:
:stare:

[Visor]

Nah, wouldn't mean much, it's all gut instinct and paranoid ravings. Besides, the town's made up its mind, my buns are toasty.

:stare:

Unvote as a sign of good faith.

Always willing to listen to gut instinct and paranoid ravings.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still would like an ATPG lynch, for reasons I won't reveal.

Then you have an additional vote on you today, because I'm lack claire.

Visor dies, you die, always.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You guys want to eliminate the cult today might want to do that before hitting mafia.

Either is fine, but preventing new recruits is optimal.

[Sooh]

I don't think it really matters in a game like this, but Sooh's post asking if El Barto = takhiss is actually a pretty sick angleshoot.

Unintentionally of course, I don't think she did that on purpose, but saying that heavily implies that she is town as in qt's El Barto's name is takhisis.

so yeah. probably gonna be a convert at some stage

clearer than me and al sips anywayI only did because you called him Takhisis.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gonna need more villagers to show up, otherwise I'll get recruited by the cult and then eat your brains.

It's a brain eating cult. Just ftr.

It's served on mondays, wednesdays, fridays, and alternating saturdays, usually with gravy but sometimes we do cheese.

I suggested the cheese. I felt like it would really complement the natural brain flavor.

Probably want to eliminate the cult if you don't want to eat brains.

I mean, if you want to eat brains, that's cool too I guess? Just don't invite me to the party as a guest or the main course, ok?

[Sooh]

He just had hot dogs for dinner. I guess that prompted this?

*scratches head*

[Askthepizzaguy]

He just had hot dogs for dinner. I guess that prompted this?

*scratches head*

See, solid proof that I was eating people food, not food made out of people.

I'm innocent. Lock clar.

Braaaiiiinnnnssss

[Pelican]

RE: Current happenings,

Agreed that Khaan's response to GH case looks mad scummy, but would like to push other angles as well to see what happens and make this day a little more productive maybe. General FoS on all of the people that just voted khaan without presenting anything else. Picking the first one that comes to mind, let's vote:Landlubber for now. Anything else to say?

[seireikhaan]

Unvote as a sign of good faith.

Always willing to listen to gut instinct and paranoid ravings.
Fair enough. Self-aggrandizing paranoia incoming.

Pizza's complimented my mostly lacking scum hunting in the past on the couple occasions I actually sniffed someone out, which means he's either a liar or a fool, but regardless, let's say for a second he actually meant it. I fos a suspicious kennegit post. Mafia pizza notices this and decides he agrees with it, figuring if it's correct, he gets a cultist *and* potentially offs me as well with a free lynch because he can certainly predict that a kennegit death would be something I might do if I was mafia. GH making the case for him could be coincidence or it could be they both rolled mafia and are just out to ruin my day.

*tinfoil hat off*

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've read that a few times and I don't understand it.

I'm scum because someone killed Kennigit and GH said you did it?

[Choxorn]

So, I'm still a little unclear... what's going on with Visor and Pizza and Al? Why is Visor supposedly both lock town and absolutely scum? Is he just Schrodinger's Mafia, or something?

[seireikhaan]

I've read that a few times and I don't understand it.

I'm scum because someone killed Kennigit and GH said you did it?
I *did* say it was paranoid ravings.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@chox

He suggested he's lock clear, but he is not, plainly speaking.

His evidence for being lock clear was being mod-roleblocked last night, and during that time, apparently, a mafia kill still happened on Kennigit.

So we know he didn't directly murder Kennigit. This is true.

But this means precisely nothing unless Al Sipsclar is also mafia and his only remaining partner. Otherwise, he can very well still be a mafioso, and, he can obviously be a cultist.

Those are the "can"s which go against his statement about being lock clear.

Now I laid out two posts which read as slimy and scummy which happened. I reference them here:


ATPG, I am gonna spite vote you if you don't drop the schtick. If you don't wanna do anything thats fine, but I am tired of reading stuff people said from other games.

In other news, thanks to our glorious mod overlord, me and Al Sipsclar are basically cleared town.

So yeah, my participation in this game is gonna rapidly dwindle because I am gonna get shot by the mafia tonight or tomorrow because we are now both prime conversion targets.

Vote: Zain

He is basically mod confirmed town.

That's a lazy vote if I ever saw one. He has also been active today so I don't know what your plan is here Zain.

I see a very scummy motive from both posts. Visor knows, because he's never this sloppy as a villager, that Al Sipsclar is NOT lock town.

Arguing that he is, means by the same token he is arguing that he himself is lock clear.

Neither is sound for solving purposes. You might say that they did not pull the trigger. That is the most you can reasonably conclude.

To take it one step further when you know it's not true is scummy.

[Al Sipsclar]

With all the votes on khaan, this day is useless for analysis.

I'd believe that Visor and not ATPG got converted last night. I think Sooh is still town. ATPG and GH are next in the conversion queue. I wonder if the cult is going to be able to convert more than one player per night at some point.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Visorslash

[Visor]

If I got converted I would have just voted Choxorn and peaced out.

There is literally no point to saying both myself and you are lock clear as scum because its not actually true.

I just happen to think you (at least up until today) were a townie so I was gonna clear you for stupid reasons.

[Al Sipsclar]

Zain's vote actually looks townie clueless to me, so I'm not ready to call it yet.

What is the case on landlubber? Not counting khaan's vote, which is the safe haven for everyone today, his previous posts look okay. Not stellar, but fine.

[Choxorn]

If I got converted I would have just voted Choxorn and peaced out.


Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, knowing that only a great fool would take the wine he was given. I am a great fool, so I will drink the Wine In Front Of Me.

Vote: Visorslash

[Visor]

Is that all you have Choxorn? :laugh4:

Quite sure you are scum with that remark.

[Choxorn]

And I'm quite sure you're scum from the way you're reacting to Pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I *did* say it was paranoid ravings.
Paranoia is fine, but some of the dots still aren't connecting on your wall of photographs and tacks and string.

When you show it to another paranoid schitzo and they still don't follow you...

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Kennegit

A) Don't touch my honeybun on day 2

B) The post... tweaks my scumdar. Gut instinct. You doth protest too much.

You all should vote for Kennegit.


Maybe khaan's scumdar is right, and GH is actually a scum trying to stop a lucky scumhunter. Or they both cultists, propping GH for town cred.
Unvote; Vote:GeneralHankerchief.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not sure we have the time or votes for shenanigans. Can we consolidate?

[Visor]

Well its either Khaan, me, or 1 vote on GH at the moment.

[Cuthillius]

Vote:Visorslash

I'm willing to follow ATPG and lynch him tomorrow if he's wrong.

[El Barto]

DAY THREE

Seireikhaan was lynched. He was a townie!

seireikhaan: GeneralHankerchief; landlubber; Jarema; Sooh; Golden1Knight (5)
Askthepizzaguy: seireikhaan (1)
Al Sipsclar: Zain (1)
Visorslash: Askthepizzaguy; Choxorn (2)
landlubber: Pelican (1)
GeneralHankerchief: Al Sipsclar (1)

Not voting: Visorslash; Raith Kemmler; Csargo; Cuthillius; Severing Viper 2× (5)

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Night Three. It will last 24 hours. Remember to send in your night orders.


SeveringViper: where are you, lad?

[El Barto]

Vote:Visorslash

I'm willing to follow ATPG and lynch him tomorrow if he's wrong.
I'd already sent in the update before seeing that post, but it was quite some time after the deadline.

[Visor]

Sorry Khaan. If it is any consolation I didn't vote you and you were my counter wagon!

Still gonna lynch Choxorn or landlubber tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why not me?

I don't get it.

[Csargo]

Yeah, why not him?

[El Barto]

Should I make this night phase longer because of handegg?

[Visor]

Why not me?

I don't get it.

Because I think Choxorn and Landlubber are more likely to be scum?

You thinking I'm scum for trying to lock clear myself could come from some thought that I am trying to strongarm the game.

[Visor]

Should I make this night phase longer because of handegg?

Please don't.

In any event I don't think the way Pizza has gone about trying to kill me means much about his alignment. I still have a minor town lean on him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Should I make this night phase longer because of handegg GOOD OLD HARD-NOSED AMERICAN FOOTBAWWWWWWWWW?

The game doesn't start until three hours before deadline, doubt it'd make a difference.

[El Barto]

Did you two just quote a communication from your GM?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Modkill everyone

Pizza the jester pirate mason wolf mafioso cultist neutral third party PFK serial killer odd-night detective wins, as all alignments.

With additional pirates.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because I think Choxorn and Landlubber are more likely to be scum?

Sigh... explain it to me, I suppose.

I might be tunneling unless I'm a seer or something. So make your case.

[Visor]

Sigh... explain it to me, I suppose.

I might be tunneling unless I'm a seer or something. So make your case.

Well you and I both know you aren't a cop.

I'll post some stuff later tonight wrt why I want to lynch those two specifically.

[Visor]

Even if you were a cop (which I suspect exists ITG)

you wouldn't scan me, You would want to lynch me of your own accord without the influence of a scan.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even if you were a cop (which I suspect exists ITG)

you wouldn't scan me, You would want to lynch me of your own accord without the influence of a scan.

I wouldn't pocket you all game, I'd want to know for sure one way or the other. Especially in a culty game.

[Visor]

I wouldn't pocket you all game, I'd want to know for sure one way or the other. Especially in a culty game.

Well, if you're a cop , you know I'm town so what was all the hullaballoo last day phase about?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, if you're a cop , you know I'm town so what was all the hullaballoo last day phase about?

:snobby:

Cop cover, etc. *handwave*

I'll ride this bad boy to someone's death!

[Visor]

If you wait enough nights eventually I might get converted. :laugh4:

[Choxorn]

Plot Twist: The Mafia Godfather and Cult Leader and Cop are all the same person, and it's Visor.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Did you two just quote a communication from your GM?

Not sure if you're joking or not, but the rules post in #52 only limits the prohibition to private communications, and you posted the extract I quoted publicly. Furthermore, it appeared as if you were actively seeking responses/feedback, so I acted in good faith to provide you further information with which you could base your round-ending decision upon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://i.bittwiddlers.org/K7G.gif

[El Barto]

*reads his own rules*

*mutters a few curses and starts reading order PMs*

[El Barto]

NIGHT THREE

No one was killed tonight.

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Day Four. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes.

[Visor]

Mafia either hitting cult leader if they still have immunity or immune townie then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Possibility the game isn't quite lost yet.

Hard claim vanilla townie with no immunities. Whatever happened last night, none of it involved me and I am still town-aligned, strangely.

I'd like to stay that way so I'm still recommending we hit cult today over mafia if possible. I do not have a physical lead and it's basically impossible to read for behavior here given the low activity.

Can we rally something together today?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ The mafia

you have a better idea of who the cult is than probably anyone. Unless you want what essentially amounts to a larger and larger masonry forming, your best bet is to work with the non-converted town and smash the cult today, even if it means hard claiming mafia to get it done.

Hell, fake a peek. Just ensure cult dies. Then whatever villagers remain will be at the very least divided, and all you have to worry about is the anti-mafia role and the anti-cult role hard claiming.

I would rather have a fair shot at taking you out, one on whatever. I don't like being converted to cult.

Work with me on this one, then we battle like jedi versus sith, with lightsabers. Like it was meant to be.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You don't want a bloc of 3 or 4 within the next couple rounds. They'll simply outvote you.

I'll even tell you what my game plan would be. If I'm on a cult with 3 people in it, and I figure you've got 2 or 3 members, and it's getting down to the wire, if you've killed off the anti-cult townie, I'd just hard claim cult at endgame and convert any remaining townies alive and lynch you 1 2 3 with the nearly perfect info and bloc of votes I'd have.

That's what happens in ~2 rounds. So kill cult today if you value your lives. Get it?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Golden1Knight

[landlubber]

Mafia either hitting cult leader if they still have immunity or immune townie then.

I'd bet that the immunity didn't last this long. The rules describe it as "starting" immunity, and that probably doesn't last three nights.

[Jarema]

time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

[Choxorn]

Vote: Visorslash

[Visor]

Vote: Choxorn

[Jarema]

Vote: Visorslash


Vote: Choxorn

very informative

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Jarema

You clicked the wrong button

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also lol this vote count

Also lol this town

Also lol this game

And lol Jarema again for that vote

[Raith Kemmler]

time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

This is a lot of words and over explanation for what is so hypothetical it isn't even wine in front of me, it's a dream table with dreamed up placement. Argument not persuasive. Massive build up? Kind of scummy looking.

Vote: Jarema

[Zain]

Wow, that really was quite the monologue, for a player I see as fairly soft-spoken.

Though I see his logic to a small degree, I must say this outburst feels off.

Vote: Jarema

[Sooh]

Nice and persuasive way to off someone. Good job Vote: Jarema

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Golden1Knight
Vote: Sooh

We're not having an early runaway wagon two days in a row.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote

vote Sooh

[Askthepizzaguy]

....very interesting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote Jarema

[GeneralHankerchief]

Care to explain?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Care to explain?

No reaction at all for several hours by anyone. That was me voting for someone unlikely to be on a scum team.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know it's morning in the states but I still think something should have happened just then.

Everyone was ok with it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's thin but I'm working with a whole lot of nothing otherwise.

Vote analysis is ~pointless in this setup. No claims.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hmm, I buy that.

Unvote: Sooh
Vote: Golden1Knight

There's really nothing to go on with him and it's more or less close to his baseline behavior, but I can't shake this feeling I've got.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just looked at whatever you were looking at with G1K.

Was ez since he has like 3 posts and all of them are bad.

Let's do Jarema/G1K wagons for the luls

Unvote

Vote: Golden1Knight

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: Jarema

[Raith Kemmler]

Are games normally this quiet? The Snake Cult game was kind of active in comparison.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Are games normally this quiet? The Snake Cult game was kind of active in comparison.

This seems to be around the baseline nowadays, exempting Pirate Ship III.

The Gameroom was all but completely deserted until the summer so right now we're just trying to nurse it back to health.

[Visor]

Well the problem is, the game has a bunch of perennial lurkers.

[Visor]

Well the problem is, the game has a bunch of perennial lurkers.

That and its a Cult setup.

[landlubber]

Vote:Golden1Knight

[Jarema]

vote: Golden1Knight

[Al Sipsclar]

unvote

vote Sooh


....very interesting.


unvote, vote Jarema

Mr. and Mrs. Smith? :laugh4:

Maybe you're from different factions, that would make things interesting at home.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Golden1Knight

Hmm, is this the claim that Pizza is asking for? Vote: Golden1Knight

[Al Sipsclar]

Are games normally this quiet? The Snake Cult game was kind of active in comparison.

The Snake cult had an influx of new blood who were pushing the discussion. Here we have nothing to talk about.


time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.

[Jarema]

I am willing to return with my vote to Pizza, if enough players vote that way

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hmm, is this the claim that Pizza is asking for? Vote: Golden1Knight

No, I have no insider information on anyone's guilt or affiliation beyond my own.

[Sooh]

Mr. and Mrs. Smith? :laugh4:

Maybe you're from different factions, that would make things interesting at home.

We have been several times. Unlike those other times I don't really have an inkling as to whether Pizza is town, mafia or cult. I'm probably biased, but it seems to me like he would be a likely convert and someone cult would want on their team, unless he's already on the mafia team. Basically in my eyes he could be anything, and I have no idea with the activity and the posting style on this board how I'm supposed to figure it out.

I would appreciate pointers.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Basically in my eyes he could be anything, and I have no idea with the activity and the posting style on this board how I'm supposed to figure it out.

I would appreciate pointers.

Just act like you know what you're talking about and make a confident declaration one way or the other - sooner or later you'll get it right and be lauded for it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll even open notebook what I was doing today

1) Legit surprised I have not been nightkilled or converted, and I have no protection against either.
2) Hardclaimed that, because that cuts off my balls if I'm a mafioso, and the odds were good that I would get votes today. So that's me playing against my own mafia meta.
3) I need cult dead so I don't become cult. That said
4) If I do become cult, it's not that big of a deal, because a lynch on a townie today and a townie murdered tonight makes for decent endgame chances for me regardless.
5) Although I've been playing townie, there's still little reason for either cult or mafia to vote with me today, and my town is probably awol, playing bad, or simply one of GH or Visorslash. In any of those cases, I do want to get someone I want lynched to be voted, but on the other hand I probably don't, because the greatest likelihood I get someone I want lynched today is if I'm voting incorrectly.
6) That said I didn't anticipate no activity at all when I voted Sooh. I think that's a counter-example.
7) I have to be a boss and pick a townie to sheep today, rather than lead.
8) Golden1Knight is clearly guilty at this point. Check out his game all game and then check out his reaction to GH and I voting him and the timing of it. Indicates to me he's just been hiding out all game and abusing his meta that he's a low-talker.

That's everything in my brain about this game.

There's not much more than that because you work too hard, you just get converted to cult, and then you've been working hard to eliminate your own team.

You work too hard and miss, and scums and cultists alike follow you and it's just dead townies.

It's almost like a chinese finger trap, the harder you struggle the worse your game is.

Here, it's as simple as sheeping GH on someone who wasn't posting.

It's your best chance of success if you're a mafioso and Golden is cult, if you're cult and Golden is mafioso, or if you're a convertible villager.

If that's wrong let me know.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Number 4 is bad for me to say since it hurts my survival chances tomorrow (or even today)

But I am being 100 percent open notebook. That's part of my strategery and I'd be lying if it wasn't.

Need to eliminate cult approximately right now, or never eliminate them.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sheeping?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.

This is the most intelligent wrong post I've seen in many games.

I can die to that and I won't even fight it. Like I legit won't vote my counter-wagon if this is what lynches me.

It's not correct but it's impressive.

[Pelican]

The Snake cult had an influx of new blood who were pushing the discussion. Here we have nothing to talk about.



I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.

So I have gut feelings about both Raith and Al Sipsclar that I was hoping to be able to work with today and see if there's a case on either (or both) especially considering the Jarrema wagon looks exactly like the Khaan one yesterday and I don't feel super comfortable with the alternative either. But I think this is the only opportunity I'm going to have to post at all today. Anyways, the post I quoted definitely looks like it's coming from a mafia perspective so vote vote: Al Sips and I'd like to say more but if I do I'll be late for class.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sheeping?

Follow you like a sheep follows a shepherd.

To slaughter or to a nice sheep shearing, whichever the case may be.

Cut me GH, I'm yours.

Please feel free to totally IGNORE the gay bdsm vibe I'm giving you right now / SPELLING MISTAKE'S (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?47080-so-what-bartix-and-what-faction-replaces-armenia-go-then-%21%21&p=765153&viewfull=1#post765153).

[Askthepizzaguy]

So I have gut feelings about both Raith and Al Sipsclar that I was hoping to be able to work with today and see if there's a case on either (or both) especially considering the Jarrema wagon looks exactly like the Khaan one yesterday and I don't feel super comfortable with the alternative either. But I think this is the only opportunity I'm going to have to post at all today. Anyways, the post I quoted definitely looks like it's coming from a mafia perspective so vote vote: Al Sips and I'd like to say more but if I do I'll be late for class.

I think so, he's strongly cult-hunting and I should have been converted by now so it's a good assumption either way.

But that means he's not cult. I want cult dead today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pelican please don't be cult here

Otherwise this endgame is lacking a ton of mystery and I lose all of those endgames regardless what happens next.

[GeneralHankerchief]

8) Golden1Knight is clearly guilty at this point. Check out his game all game and then check out his reaction to GH and I voting him and the timing of it. Indicates to me he's just been hiding out all game and abusing his meta that he's a low-talker..

Actually now I'm having second thoughts. Can someone not busy with work (sorry) go back through... Snake Cult I think it was and check to see how Golden reacted when he was pressured in that one? Might actually be similar to this.

If it wasn't Snake Cult it was khaan's game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not villagery, at best it's null regardless of who he is. He simply jumped on the opposing wagon and said nothing.

That's never an example of a villager tell, it's precisely null or scummy.

Scummy in this case because of this particular situation being one where he needs to do more to solve the game than a lazy self-pres vote and his voting timing is either null or a reaction to you voting him and me voting him as opposed to hunting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Csargo guilty ftr.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Csargo guilty ftr.

Activity level?
A tell?
Gut feeling?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Activity level?
A tell?
Gut feeling?

Csargo doesn't have tells because he doesn't post much.

However, no one wants him dead, and if he were a townie he'd be an even bigger sitting duck target than Golden1Knight. All the fake suspicion would be in this thread right now, or at least one person.

Instead it's a bunch of people forgetting he's in the game and scums not wanting him lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Al sips mafia

Csargo mafia (or cult, easily)

Golden1Knight cult hopefully

Fingers crossed on that last one.

Even if all of those three are mafia/cult we still won't win though, unless the cult dies today. Because cult will win, or it will become a chaotic three way mess and town will only win by dumb luck.

[Al Sipsclar]

This is the most intelligent wrong post I've seen in many games.

I can die to that and I won't even fight it. Like I legit won't vote my counter-wagon if this is what lynches me.

It's not correct but it's impressive.

Sarcasm, right?


So I have gut feelings about both Raith and Al Sipsclar that I was hoping to be able to work with today and see if there's a case on either (or both) especially considering the Jarrema wagon looks exactly like the Khaan one yesterday and I don't feel super comfortable with the alternative either. But I think this is the only opportunity I'm going to have to post at all today. Anyways, the post I quoted definitely looks like it's coming from a mafia perspective so vote vote: Al Sips and I'd like to say more but if I do I'll be late for class.

Oh, yeah, that elusive "townie line of thinking" again that I'm consistently fail to demonstrate. For some reason, only scum is always accusing me of this. I guess this is another case of "he who smelt it, dealt it". Unvote; Vote: Pelican

Pizza is cult
Raith is with Pizza
Visor has been just converted
GH is mafia
Sooh is still town
Choxorn is either scum
Cuth is scum
Jarema is scum
Zain is town
G1K, Csargo, SV are Olympic-grade lurkers. If Bruce Springsteen had ever recorded “Born to Lurk,” these two three would have been on the album cover.

[Raith Kemmler]

Oh, yeah, that elusive "townie line of thinking" again that I'm consistently fail to demonstrate. For some reason, only scum is always accusing me of this. I guess this is another case of "he who smelt it, dealt it". Unvote; Vote: Pelican


I like this. Sure I'll sheep with Al to kill the birdy.

Vote: Pelican



Pizza is cult
Raith is with Pizza

Close, but not quite. Pizza's just easy to follow with his charisma and ability to parrot decent advice. I'm town till lynch or night kill ends my career.

Role Declaration: I am unconvertible Town.

This is sort of pro-mafia as a move, since they know I'm not bullet proof, but I at least agree that cult is more of a headache currently. I'm also willing to be lynched later on since this is good mafia claim to make I'll admit. If you think I'm a cultist making this, well, not a lot I can do to change your mind, but at least this puts a bit of info out there.


We have been several times. Unlike those other times I don't really have an inkling as to whether Pizza is town, mafia or cult. I'm probably biased, but it seems to me like he would be a likely convert and someone cult would want on their team, unless he's already on the mafia team. Basically in my eyes he could be anything, and I have no idea with the activity and the posting style on this board how I'm supposed to figure it out.

I would appreciate pointers.

Me too.


I'll even open notebook what I was doing today

1) Legit surprised I have not been nightkilled or converted, and I have no protection against either.

See, I don't quite believe this one Piz. As my talk a week ago with a friend told me, town loves to kill the same old. Leaving a statesman alive as a distraction is just good business to waste a lynch. You've got to have seen this in action before.


Actually now I'm having second thoughts. Can someone not busy with work (sorry) go back through... Snake Cult I think it was and check to see how Golden reacted when he was pressured in that one? Might actually be similar to this.

If it wasn't Snake Cult it was khaan's game.

Golden is a lurker in the shadows. He sits and votes. He's very friendly, but he's not an analytical type. When pressed, he panics and tries desperately to claim town. He really really hates being lynched or dying at all. I lynched him that game because well, that's a scummy attitude. If he's giving next to no reaction when under mad contention, it's a big change for his meta. Either thanks to your's truly (I kid, kinda), or because he's influenced by other teammates.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Believable claim IMHO. In a game with this level of activity Raith didn't need to fakeclaim.

[Golden1Knight]

For those interested, yes, that was a lazy vote of self-preservation :P

My lack of response so far is not due to a change in my meta, but simply to lack of time. My participation in this game is very low, even by my standards, something for which I apologize, but this situation will soon improve. Also,


G1K, Csargo, SV are Olympic-grade lurkers. If Bruce Springsteen had ever recorded “Born to Lurk,” these two three would have been on the album cover.

:laugh4:

By the way, I'm townie.

[Csargo]

Csargo guilty ftr.

Lynch me then friend.

[Pelican]

I've got time for a bit more (at the expense of me getting a full nights sleep later on, but eh) so I'l try to make this count.



Oh, yeah, that elusive "townie line of thinking" again that I'm consistently fail to demonstrate. For some reason, only scum is always accusing me of this. I guess this is another case of "he who smelt it, dealt it". Unvote; Vote: Pelican


:inquisitive: Are you referring to another game or something? I don't think I said anything to that effect. I'll clarify:



I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.

Bolded section looks like it's coming from a mafia point of view. I don't see how one of someone's primary concerns if they're town is that Pizza is trying to get the mafia to out themselves. I'm pretty sure that's something that a member of the mafia keys in on way more.

In light of Raith's last post, I'm not sure if I think he's Al's mafia partner or not. Like it looks like someone posted "I'm gonna go after Pelican in the maf QT. Maybe this is just me being biased due to OMGUS though, also concerned about confirmation bias, it comes through in the language of my other post today, if I'm being honest with myself (Wanting to see if I can find a case on people I already suspect potentially leads me to bad conclusions/tunneling, idk). I don't get why he claims right now either way though. It certainly doesn't help us beat cult if it's true, since it reduces the risk of their wasting a conversion on Raith.

But if either/both of these guys is/are scum, they're mafia. Wagon on Jarrema is still easy and obvious and I don't foresee it producing results. Landlubber still looks like he's flying under the radar to me. No post in this game is more than two sentences, and I think the reason he specifically comes to mind is that I've seen him participate in lengthy exchanges, so it looks like he's hiding. However, this post:
I'd bet that the immunity didn't last this long. The rules describe it as "starting" immunity, and that probably doesn't last three nights. probably means he's not cult. Visor looks okay in this exchange too.

Cuthilius disappeared after day one, and no one has even mentioned him I don't think? Slight cult lean, maybe? "Under the radar" does not seem like his style from what I'm familiar with, but I smell a possible convert...

Choxorn is null, G1K is null, SV is null, Csargo is null, Zain is null...It honestly could be any of these, none of them have high enough volume/meaty enough posts for me to make meaningful conclusions about them. I could join the G1K wagon I guess, but it would feel like playing Russia Roulette...

I'd honestly still just rather go after Al though. Even if it's not cult, at least that's a scum lean I have some confidence in. I can see why lynching cult is a priority, but lynching scum is still a priority over not lynching scum, IMO.

[Cuthillius]

Cuthilius disappeared after day one, and no one has even mentioned him I don't think? Slight cult lean, maybe? "Under the radar" does not seem like his style from what I'm familiar with, but I smell a possible convert...


To be fair, I wasn't exactly here much D1 either. Just been slacking on this game, have finished up two others recently so I should put more time into this.

[Visor]

Vote: SeveringViper

[Cuthillius]

Vote: SeveringViper

Pray tell, why is this?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still no counterclaim from me. I'm not countering anyone this game. I'm vanilla as frick.

Whoever he is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote

Vote Pelican

Al Sipsclar is going to die, die, die die die for being mafia scum. Just need a dead culty guy first.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I thought the round had been open for a while.

We have an hour and a half left. Consolidate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: SeveringViper

Consolidate.

[Visor]

Consolidate.

I don't even know who the wagons are or what the numbers are.

[Cuthillius]

Still no counterclaim from me. I'm not countering anyone this game. I'm vanilla as frick.

Whoever he is.

Hum.

I think you should be our kill soon. I think you're either scum or cult 90 percent of the time.

[El Barto]

The vote is tied!


Visorslash: Choxorn (1)
Jarema: Zain; Sooh; Golden1Knight (3)
Golden1Knight: GeneralHankerchief; landlubber; Jarema; (3)
Pelican: Al Sipsclar; Raith Kemmler; Askthepizzaguy (3)
SeveringViper: Visorslash (1)

not voting: SeveringViper, Cuthillius, Pelican (3)

Vote for any of Jarema, Golden1Knight or Pelican!
The first vote to lynch any of them ends the round!

[Golden1Knight]

I don't know if I have the right to vote or not, anyway I'm leaving that decision to you guys.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd rank it Golden-Jarema-Pelican, so my vote stays where it is.

[El Barto]

Yes, you do have the right to vote, Golden1Knight. All living players can vote.

[Cuthillius]

vote:golden1knight

[Golden1Knight]

:bow:

[Visor]

I don't know if I have the right to vote or not, anyway I'm leaving that decision to you guys.


vote:golden1knight

Yeah, I'd be shooting Cuth tonight if I had a gun.

[Golden1Knight]

Crap. This was suposed to be the moment that someone would say something like "hey, he must be town!" and then I would be spared and such.

xD

[GeneralHankerchief]

Crap. This was suposed to be the moment that someone would say something like "hey, he must be town!" and then I would be spared and such.

xD

Good thinking, but everyone's had that thought at one point or another so it doesn't really mean much anymore. :laugh4:

[El Barto]

DAY FOUR

Cuthillius intervened in golden-goal time to make Golden1Knight be lynched.

Visorslash: Choxorn (1)
Jarema: Zain; Sooh; Golden1Knight (3)
Golden1Knight: GeneralHankerchief; landlubber; Jarema (3) (+Cuthillius, tiebreaker)
Pelican: Al Sipsclar; Raith Kemmler; Askthepizzaguy (3)
SeveringViper: Visorslash (1)

not voting: SeveringViper 3×, Pelican (2)

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Night Four. It will last 24 hours. Remember to send in your night orders.


GM's note: SeveringViper will be replaced if he doesn't show up before tomorrow's update.

[Al Sipsclar]

I think so, he's strongly cult-hunting and I should have been converted by now so it's a good assumption either way.

But that means he's not cult. I want cult dead today.
And you're cult-hunting in a more inconspicuous, nonchalant manner. As appropriate for a cult member, I see.:laugh4:


G1K, Csargo, SV are Olympic-grade lurkers. If Bruce Springsteen had ever recorded “Born to Lurk,” these two three would have been on the album cover.
I lifted that quote almost verbatim, save the character names, from late Sir Terry Pratchett. During my short mafia career (this is my 8th game), I was randed a gravedigger twice. I seem to have a penchant for stealing from the dead.


:inquisitive: Are you referring to another game or something? I don't think I said anything to that effect.

Every game I'm accused of being scummy, not thinking like a townie. Yes, in another game, as recently as yesterday, so I'm still raw.:furious3:



I'll clarify:

The Snake cult had an influx of new blood who were pushing the discussion. Here we have nothing to talk about.



I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.
Bolded section looks like it's coming from a mafia point of view.

Right, and this is exactly what I was told yesterday. And in a game before. Needless to say, the guy who said that was scum. This is why I'm voting you.



I don't see how one of someone's primary concerns if they're town is that Pizza is trying to get the mafia to out themselves. I'm pretty sure that's something that a member of the mafia keys in on way more.

The primary concern for the town is to find scum. All of them, not just cult or mafia. Pizza may be talking about cult-hunting (but not too "strongly", God forbid), but his real motive seems to be to find mafia. This is why I believe he's cult.



I don't get why he claims right now either way though. It certainly doesn't help us beat cult if it's true, since it reduces the risk of their wasting a conversion on Raith.

Exactly. Why claim when you could attract a night visit from the cult.



But if either/both of these guys is/are scum, they're mafia.

Because you don't see us on the cult's QT, right. :laugh4:

[Al Sipsclar]

Cuth might be town for lynching a townie.

[Visor]

Cuth might be town for lynching a townie.

I mean, its his town meta to lynch obvious townies, so I suppose. Still wanna shoot him. Golden always self pres votes there as scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So cult wins. Lynch mafia, pop bottles.

I just assume everyone who called me cult today was mafia.

[Visor]

I'm still town.

Pretty sure my faction loses the game though.

I am the butter in this scum sandwich.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Consolidate next time and don't pretend like you don't know what the tally is

[Visor]

Consolidate next time and don't pretend like you don't know what the tally is

Well I didn't.

And I checked too late to save GK.

[Raith Kemmler]

Cuth might be town for lynching a townie.

Nah. He doesn't sound like he cares about the outcome at all. That's way too lazy a vote. He's evil. Don't know which evil, but evil.

[El Barto]

NIGHT FOUR

GeneralHankerchief was found dead.
He was a Cultist!

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Day Five. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes.


GM's note: SeveringViper is to be replaced sometime during this Day Phase.

[Visor]

GJGJ mafia

[Cuthillius]

I think that's enough for me.

Vote:ATPG

He is acting like his scum self.

He needs to die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think that's enough for me.

Vote:ATPG

He is acting like his scum self.

He needs to die.

Vote: Cuthillius

He is acting like his scum self.

He needs to die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Pelican as well.

Vote: Al Sipsclar as well.

Easy game.

[Visor]

at this rate i am gonna be the last remaining townie in a town full of cultists and mafia :laugh4:

[Raith Kemmler]

Vote Cuth

Does Cuth's statement feel a lot like Game over to anyone else?

[Csargo]

GG mafia better townies I've never seen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Raith

13 live players, most of the starting townies are still townie, since 2 cultists died.

It's not time for defeatism.

What the mafia just did was undo our mistake yesterday, because it could just as easily have been dead cultist by lynch, and then townie gets murdered.

But that doesn't mean it's time to send them candies and flowers. We do have to lynch them.

If the dead were all townies then yes, it's pretty much cult v mafia endgame. But right now town is the strongest faction by far, so let's act like it.

[Visor]

Whaddya reckon, three mafia left? I think 3 mafia with 20 players and a second scum team fwiw

2 cult players max or something?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Trust is hard, especially with a cult, especially with the "inevitable" converts Pizza and Visorslash still alive.

I realize it's difficult to find a town under these circumstances and stand united against the mafia threat.

You have to be a hero today if you're a townie. We are the one faction that will have trouble standing by one another the longer the game goes on.

Something to know about the cult: They had GH on it. They know I'm an inevitable lynchee especially as the game gets longer and longer. They didn't recruit me last night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Whaddya reckon, three mafia left? I think 3 mafia with 20 players and a second scum team fwiw

2 cult players max or something?

That is likely. But it's also possible they have 1.

Try to convert a mafioso or try to convert an unconvert-able. I forgot what day it is, but cult is at 1-2 persons imo.

2 mafioso is also possible, but I'd put 3 if i were designing it.

[Visor]

That is likely. But it's also possible they have 1.

Try to convert a mafioso or try to convert an unconvert-able. I forgot what day it is, but cult is at 1-2 persons imo.

2 mafioso is also possible, but I'd put 3 if i were designing it.

i was more worried about the possibility of 4 maf.

It occurs to me 2 things

1. Cult could deliberately not recruit 'obvious' converts
2. jarrema would have recruited me if he was cult leader

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not my top priority but it still needs to be addressed

Can you / others help me look at GH

I don't think he was starting cult. What changed in his reads if anything did, and is it even significant.

Really no reason for GH to change his reads and make it obvious. But it's worth looking at even a little bit just in case there is something there that could reveal a clue about who else may be on that team or who recruited, or at the very least, someone who the cult team wants to eliminate and doesn't want to convert- such as a mafioso.

It's possible there's subtle knowledge from the cult left behind which could help us lynch mafia today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Absent that I'm lynching based on what I see as guilty in-thread behavior.

If Visor were mafia I'd be dead by now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will look at it after Sooh goes to work if I have the time, otherwise I'm welcoming opinions on either subject

a) people are mafia because _____
b) analysis of the revealed cultists and who you think the leader is, and who is specifically not cult right now

If anyone wants to put that level of effort in. I kind of do but I could easily see myself not doing it and just yolo'ing mafia suspects until town wins because mafia killed the cult off and we lynched mafia, or I get converted and then hunting the mafia becomes ridic simple.

[Visor]

Oh, before I forget.

One of the reasons I was suspicious of choxorn was his blatant parroting for no reason of your 'case' on me.

Especially the lack of justification which is normally seen by choxorn and the fact that he had obviously read the thread if he had seen the case but had nothing else to comment on just struck me as suspicious.

[Visor]

Not my top priority but it still needs to be addressed

Can you / others help me look at GH

I don't think he was starting cult. What changed in his reads if anything did, and is it even significant.

Really no reason for GH to change his reads and make it obvious. But it's worth looking at even a little bit just in case there is something there that could reveal a clue about who else may be on that team or who recruited, or at the very least, someone who the cult team wants to eliminate and doesn't want to convert- such as a mafioso.

It's possible there's subtle knowledge from the cult left behind which could help us lynch mafia today.

I also agree that he was highly likely to be a recruit.

[Visor]

At a guess I think he was recruited after the khaan lynch. Or sometime after that.

[Jarema]

1. Cult could deliberately not recruit 'obvious' converts
2. jarrema would have recruited me if he was cult leader

1. Of course, but IMO GH was 'obvious' convert
2. agreed :)

I still think that vote: ATPG must be scum now

[Visor]

Cmon mate, that ain't gonna fly.

Why is he scum?

Reasons please.

[Jarema]

I stated it already I think, and this is almost self-explaining.

He is ATPG.
I try to think 'whom I would recruit if I was a cult leader?'
then, my short list was on day one: ATPG, GH, Visor, Zack.
If I was a cult leader, they all would be cultists by now

[Visor]

I stated it already I think, and this is almost self-explaining.

He is ATPG.
I try to think 'whom I would recruit if I was a cult leader?'
then, my short list was on day one: ATPG, GH, Visor, Zack.
If I was a cult leader, they all would be cultists by now

We want to lynch mafia not cult.

Vote: Jarrema

[Jarema]

I want to lynch any scum.
And there is of course possibility that ATPG is mafia - he is still alive after all.

Do you think I am mafia?

[Al Sipsclar]

I wanted to look at the math myself, but I got to sleep. Given the initial numbers in each faction (2-4), 2 incovertibles, and 2 bulletproofs, what are the odds for a night kill and for a successful conversion. Then from the sample of the night kills, what can we tell about the whole population. I mean, cult could recruit successfully every night, and 2/4 (or 3/4, if the night of no kill was hitting a BP cultist) of kills being cultists is scary.


I'd rank it Golden-Jarema-Pelican, so my vote stays where it is.

One of Jarema or Pelican might be a cultist. Vote: Jarema

[Cuthillius]

Vote: Cuthillius

He is acting like his scum self.

He needs to die.

How am I acting like my scum self?

[Askthepizzaguy]

How am I acting like my scum self?

How am I acting like my scum self?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't really invest too much in the outcome of this cult-based game because it's a cult based game, and I still have invested a lot more effort into whatever these bs attacks on me are today.

You guys sound bored. I'm insulted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jarema, I give you one option

You can vote for Cuth

Or I'm going to lynch you today.

Get in line and work with the town or die.

[Jarema]

@ATPG
why Cuth??
I can agree for common target that makes sense. But I dont feel Cuth being scum

Maybe vote: Pelican?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ATPG
why Cuth??
I can agree for common target that makes sense. But I dont feel Cuth being scum

Maybe vote: Pelican?

Jarema, it's a good thing I'm not scum because you're letting me get away pretty darn easily there.

Go into a little bit more detail, not only about Pelican but where you are at this game in general.

I know you're not a super talky player, but open your notebook and show me what page you're on.

[Cuthillius]

How am I acting like my scum self?

You're being joking the same way as I've seen you do as scum specifically, and your immediate thunderdome challenge is definitely scummy. I've seen what you do.

Jarema, vote for ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Want me to link my last 10 games as scum so you can identify that trend?