Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

[El Barto]

This is a semi-open setup. There will be three factions in this game.
1) The town, uninformed majority which wins by eliminating all others.
2) The mafia, who kill people at night and win by outnumbering all other factions.
3) The cult, who attempt to outnumber everyone else by converting them into their faction.

-Mafia cannot be converted by the cult.
-Cult will get a starting nightkill immunity.
-There will be some town characters impervious to either the mafia's nightkill or the Cult's conversion (same number of both, total number announced when game starts).
-Some other roles might be available if there are more players than the bare minimum. I'll decide whether to announce them depending on what roles they are.
-Editing posts is not allowed.
-I haven't decided yet whether to allow private communication or not. It depends, partly, on the number of players.

Day will last 48 RL hours, Night 24. Tied votes are to be settled by tiebreaker rounds.

I'd really like there to be at the very least 20 players.

Join! Join! Join!

1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief, wha be owin' me ten doubloon
7. seireikhaan
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kenning
13. BSmith
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria
19. Visorslash
20. Severing Viper.

Reserves:
1. atheotes

The game's started in post #52 of this same thread.
Day One (post #140): ScarlettAria is lynched.
Night One (post #150): BSmith is killed by the mafia.
Day Two (post #240): Zack is lynched.
Night Two (post #258): Kennigit is killed by the mafia.
Day Three (post #359): seireikhaan is lynched.
Night Three (post #381): No one is killed.
Day Four (post #459): Golden1Knight is lynched after a tiebreaker vote.
Night Four (post #468): GeneralHankerchief is killed by the mafia.
Day Five (post #555): Askthepizzaguy is lynched.
Night Five (post #570): Visorslash is killed by the mafia.
Day Six (post #609): Pelican, Cultist leader, is lynched.
Night Six (post #620): Csargo is killed by the mafia.
Day Seven (post #640): Al Sipsclar is lynched.
Night Seven (post #645): Sooh, Cultist leader, is killed by the mafia.
Day Eight (post #762): Cuthillius is lynched.
Night Eight (post #773): Zack II is killed by the mafia.
Day Nine (post #814): Jarema is lynched.

People marked with a double question mark (??) are yet to confirm their signing up.

[Raith Kemmler]

Battle royal? More than 2 sides?

I am in.

[Choxorn]

Intergalactic.

[Jarema]

-There will be some town characters impervious to either the mafia's nightkill or the Cult's conversion (same number of both, total number announced when game starts).

I am really concerned about balance here. Converting player to your cause is much much more powerful than just killing him. I think that either there should be more players immune to conversion than to night kill (or even no players immune to night kill besides cult leader), or there should be more anti-cult than anti-mafia roles on the town side

anyway, it seems to be interesting. In.

[Golden1Knight]

In.

[Csargo]

In.

[landlubber]

In.

[El Barto]

I am really concerned about balance here. Converting player to your cause is much much more powerful than just killing him. I think that either there should be more players immune to conversion than to night kill (or even no players immune to night kill besides cult leader), or there should be more anti-cult than anti-mafia roles on the town side
Worry not, my Eastern European friend, this is why the setup is only semi-open. :)

[GeneralHankerchief]

:yes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

7. GeneralHankerchief: could you make it an infractable offense not to join?

Only in games I host. Abuse of power is way more fun when it's selective.

[seireikhaan]

:charge:

[Zain]

I will play. :bow:

[landlubber]

Have to drop out of this-- my life just got a lot more busy

[Pelican]

Hi! I'm interested, but before I join I want to be sure of the general environment. I see a lot of players I recognize from GitP and CivFanatics around here, is the vibe here similar? I ask because I'm looking for some more games but I don't think I could handle anything above a casual level of play and I don't want to be a letdown to my team and the other players in general.

[El Barto]

Yes, the style is largely casual but you are expected to play seriously and be at least midly useful (well, that's what your teammates will expect… otherwise they'll lynch you for inactivity if, or rather when, they run out of ideas, which for such imaginative people happens surprisingly often).

[landlubber]

Rejoining.

[Al Sipsclar]

Rejoicing.

[Kennigit]

I'll probably join, but I'll confirm later

[BSmith]

I'll join against my better judgement. (general RL issues and yet more international work travel in the next couple of weeks - I'll be in Dublin from 1/26 to 2/1 if anyone here will be there and wants to meet up. Let me know).

[Pelican]

Yes, the style is largely casual but you are expected to play seriously and be at least midly useful (well, that's what your teammates will expect… otherwise they'll lynch you for inactivity if, or rather when, they run out of ideas, which for such imaginative people happens surprisingly often).

Alrighty, thanks. I'll be in then.

[Kennigit]

I'll confirm I'll be in

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm in nothing right now, but I generally don't invest heavily in a town v mafia v cult setup.

So when I join and say I'm a meat shield...

Cue Zack pointing out it's never been true approximately now.

Meat shield pizza. You need the bodies, I'll be a body.

[Cuthillius]

probably be in my best interests not to, but...

I can't not, really, if pizza's in. I just realized. Have we even played together? If so, when? I remember playing in each other's games, but...

hm

And hey everyone else!

[Askthepizzaguy]

probably be in my best interests not to, but...

I can't not, really, if pizza's in. I just realized. Have we even played together? If so, when? I remember playing in each other's games, but...

hm

And hey everyone else!

Yes, I remember lynching you over on CFC not too long ago. :yes:

[Cuthillius]

Yes, I remember lynching you over on CFC not too long ago. :yes:

Ah, right. The game when I was gone. ~:handball:

[Zack]

FINE!

[Raith Kemmler]

I'm in nothing right now, but I generally don't invest heavily in a town v mafia v cult setup.

What's don't you like with a battle royal?

[El Barto]

'Mon lads, we're nearly there! Only four more players for a decent start!

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's don't you like with a battle royal?

Not my cup of tea, prefer straight mafia v town.

[Sooh]

I'll in if you make me vanilla :P

[Jarema]

I'll in if you make me vanilla :P
if you'll be vanilla, I will recruit you if I'm cult leader ;)

[Sooh]

if you'll be vanilla, I will recruit you if I'm cult leader ;)
Oh no! Say it isn't so!

*dramatic voice*

[Jarema]

Oh no! Say it isn't so!

*dramatic voice*

Your faith is sealed my dear
*low voice*

[El Barto]

Well, I'll do a bit of pruning so that we can start by Tuesday, signups remain open.

[Raith Kemmler]

Looking forward to it.

[Scarlett Aria]

In :D

[Visor]

In as a piece of meat to get this running.

[El Barto]

So when I actually announce I'm making the game smaller people start to join? :stare:

[Sooh]

Smaller people?

[El Barto]

Well, it is Visorslash we're talking about.

[Scarlett Aria]

So when I actually announce I'm making the game smaller people start to join? :stare:

I just died in a game and remembered this site. I like the pace.

[Scarlett Aria]

I also forgot my password for a while :p

[Sooh]

Well, it is Visorslash we're talking about.
I can't fault this logic.

~;)

[Visor]

I can't fault this logic.

~;)

:stare:

[Askthepizzaguy]

El Barto should join his own game. Then we can lynch him d1, and no one else has to worry about such a fate.

[SeveringViper]

No need to trim anything, I'll take that last slot. ^^
(Yes, that was on purpose, I like rounding things out, it can be fun :3)

[Scarlett Aria]

And we are full!

[El Barto]

Well, I've got home incredibly late so I won't actually be starting the game just now, I'll do it tomorrow so I can have 48-hour phases at a decent time-slot. Go, go, go!

[El Barto]

Signups are closed (I'm still taking reserves if any are coming), expect role PMs and such to come out in the next 12-24 hours (a bit of a RL delay has happened).

[atheotes]

Put me down as a reserve. Been ages...Nice to see some familiar names.

[Visor]

Put me down as a reserve. Been ages...Nice to see some familiar names.

atheotes! :2thumbsup:

nice to see you round

[El Barto]

Start of game

The game starts now.

List of players
01. Raith Kemmler
02. Choxorn
03. Jarema
04. Golden1Knight
05. Csargo
06. GeneralHankerchief
07. seireikhaan
08. Zain
09. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kenning
13. BSmith
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

Rules
-No private communication is allowed between players except in QTs started by the GM.
Do not hand out the URLs of QTs you are given.
Do not send copies or extracts of any PMs the GM might have sent you.
-Days usually last 48 hours. During them, you must vote for one person to be lynched. If at the end of a day phase the vote is tied I will hold a tiebreaker round, i.e. the first vote cast that breaks the tie ends the round.
Use the vote: player format for your votes. Remember to unvote when changing your votes.
-Nights usually last 24 hours. Some abilities might be used during the night.
Posting is allowed at night.
-There are two players immune to each scum faction's abilities, and a couple other roles that might act against one or the other.

It is now Day One. It will last 50 hours.
Time remaining:

[Visor]

Vote: Kenning

[Askthepizzaguy]

I dont believe this...

Hardclaim survivor.

[Pelican]

We better pick up the pace. We've got 67 pages to fill up if this is going to be a solid day one.

Vote: Landlubber because of dice.

[Visor]

I dont believe this...

Hardclaim survivor.

*triggered*

[Visor]

I dont believe this...

Hardclaim survivor.


I dont believe this...

Hardclaim survivor.


ATPG is literally quoting me from another game for those playing at home

[GeneralHankerchief]

So, following precedent:

Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really think that lynching me is a bad idea, GH

Consider the following assumptions/statements/whatevers:

1) I am one of the most active remaining mafia players here across multiple fora, and am thus very much in tune with the metagame.

2) I am aware that the .Org is notorious for being twitchy with claimed third-party roles, thus, it wouldn't benefit me too much to claim something like that without reason.

3) Reasons? Where we're going, we don't need reasons.

4) It's your kids, Marty. Something's gotta be done about your kids.

5) FREEEEEEEEEDOOOOOMMMMMM

6) The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.

7) My hovercraft is full of eels.

[GeneralHankerchief]

IT IS TRADITION

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Landlubber










Member thankful for this post:

Double A (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=32634)

[El Barto]

Hey, hey hey, stop it with the thanking posts. There's enough bolded text as it is.

[Visor]

Vote: ATPG

lynch all survivor claims

[Askthepizzaguy]

Psh, fine. I guess I'm blowing this popsicle stand. Hell, I don't even like popsicles. They're usually mediocre and wood adds absolutely nothing but a gross feeling.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm the easiest mislynch of all time here and yet nobody seems to be considering what I am saying. DO SOME WORK instead of taking the easy option. When/if you lose this game come back and quote this post, because here is where you lost a lynch you could've used.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm the easiest mislynch of all time here and yet nobody seems to be considering what I am saying. DO SOME WORK instead of taking the easy option. When/if you lose this game come back and quote this post, because here is where you lost a lynch you could've used.

You have two votes on you less than an hour into a 48-hour phase.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have two votes on you less than an hour into a 48-hour phase.

Two is a perfect amount. I point you to El Bartos last games where there were two mafia with similar player numbers.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Two is a perfect amount for what, precisely?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Visor and GH are scumbuddies, that was a very bold opening to the game. Typically, though, it's come from a pair who I can quite imagine being so bold.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We're also literally the two most likely to have followed your joking hardclaim with votes on you considering past references.

[landlubber]

I'm the easiest mislynch of all time here and yet nobody seems to be considering what I am saying. DO SOME WORK instead of taking the easy option. When/if you lose this game come back and quote this post, because here is where you lost a lynch you could've used.

Isn't this another Visor quote?

[Visor]

Isn't this another Visor quote?

most of them are, some of them are mildly changed but yeah.

(all my complaints are still valid btw)

[Askthepizzaguy]

We're also literally the two most likely to have followed your joking hardclaim with votes on you considering past references.

The rationale behind both your votes doesn't make too much sense.

[landlubber]

Vote:BSmith

something something

[GeneralHankerchief]

The rationale behind both your votes doesn't make too much sense.

It's the first hour of D1, there *is* no rationale. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's the first hour of D1, there *is* no rationale. :laugh4:

There are arguments both ways but I think lynching me today is inherently pro mafia.

[Visor]

If Visor and GH are scumbuddies, that was a very bold opening to the game. Typically, though, it's come from a pair who I can quite imagine being so bold.

I think its utterly alignment neutral

[Askthepizzaguy]

Where is everybody hiding? And, more importantly, why?

Maybe you all are scum.

[Scarlett Aria]

Hello

[Choxorn]

I really think that lynching me is a bad idea, GH

Consider the following assumptions/statements/whatevers:

1) I am one of the most active remaining mafia players here across multiple fora, and am thus very much in tune with the metagame.

2) I am aware that the .Org is notorious for being twitchy with claimed third-party roles, thus, it wouldn't benefit me too much to claim something like that without reason.

3) Reasons? Where we're going, we don't need reasons.

4) It's your kids, Marty. Something's gotta be done about your kids.

5) FREEEEEEEEEDOOOOOMMMMMM

6) The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.

7) My hovercraft is full of eels.


I'm the easiest mislynch of all time here and yet nobody seems to be considering what I am saying. DO SOME WORK instead of taking the easy option. When/if you lose this game come back and quote this post, because here is where you lost a lynch you could've used.

Well, now you're both hardcopying Visor and WIFOM'ing.

Vote: Raith Kemmler, for being the only person who signed up before I did.

[Cuthillius]

Vote:Scarlett Aria, I've heard you're only town when you look scummy, and you don't look scummy. Therefore! You must be scum.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Cuthillius for scumhunting on D1.

[Scarlett Aria]

Vote:Scarlett Aria, I've heard you're only town when you look scummy, and you don't look scummy. Therefore! You must be scum.

Oh noes i'm scared. :smitten:

[Jarema]

vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

[Sooh]

Vote: Jarema

Hey, I just like your name.

[Visor]

vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

Vote: Jarema How do you know he is not mafia

[BSmith]

Vote: landlubber


something something

[Jarema]

Vote: Jarema How do you know he is not mafia
I dont. I just said that while now he may be good or not, later he surely be scum (ok, for the completedness I'll add that there s also possibility of Pizza being power role and thus unrecruitable)

[seireikhaan]

Hello
AHAH! PRACTICALLY A LITERAL ADMISSION OF ACTUAL GUILT!

Vote: Scarlett Aria

[SeveringViper]

AHAH! PRACTICALLY A LITERAL ADMISSION OF ACTUAL GUILT!

Vote: Scarlett Aria





Is that how how you respond to a lady's greeting? :no:

Vote: seireikhaan

[seireikhaan]

Is that how how you respond to a lady's greeting? :no:

Vote: seireikhaan
Is that how how you respond to a lady's greeting? :no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

We're all friends here, no need for such stiff formality.

[Zack]

There are arguments both ways but I think lynching me today is inherently pro mafia.
But not inherently pro-cult?

Vote: ATPG cult leader

[Askthepizzaguy]

:sweatdrop:

[SeveringViper]

Is that how how you respond to a lady's greeting? :no:

Do you always answer a question by spewing it back? :stare:

[Raith Kemmler]

We better pick up the pace. We've got 67 pages to fill up if this is going to be a solid day one.

Vote: Landlubber because of dice.

67 pages?

Vote: Severing Viper for voting me last game Day 1.


Well, now you're both hardcopying Visor and WIFOM'ing.

Vote: Raith Kemmler, for being the only person who signed up before I did.

That's fair. What's a hard copy?


We're all friends here, no need for such stiff formality.

I'm new. But I could fake a long association.

[Choxorn]

67 pages?


The game ATPG's running at CFC just had a 67-page (20 posts/page default on CFC, so about 1300 posts) Day 1. To be fair, it was close to 100 hours long in real time.



That's fair. What's a hard copy?



I just added hard to copy for no reason at all.

[Scarlett Aria]

Vote: Pizza

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Scarlett Aria

[Sooh]

Unvote: Jarema
Vote: GH

I want to change my vote too! It's what the cool kids do.

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: Sooh

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Scarlett Aria

For interests sake I have GH as a townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But not inherently pro-cult?

Vote: ATPG cult leader

Kind of wish you had delivered this accusation a bit later on in the round so we could get more unrelated discussion out of it, but hey, I'm always up for a mafioso being lynched. :2thumbsup:

Unvote
Vote: Zack

[Zack]

Exactly. Why wouldn't the cult leader want to lynch a mafioso?

[Scarlett Aria]

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Scarlett Aria

:'( You were evil last game. How do I know you aren't evil this time?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The fact I'm voting for you would seem to answer that.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kind of wish you had delivered this accusation a bit later on in the round so we could get more unrelated discussion out of it, but hey, I'm always up for a mafioso being lynched. :2thumbsup:

Oh nice, quoting from multiple sources now :laugh4:


:'( You were evil last game. How do I know you aren't evil this time?

By my own twisted logic I wasn't evil until my last round alive last game, so really this consistency should comfort you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh nice, quoting from multiple sources now :laugh4:

Well, I can't really defend against this. :laugh4:

[Scarlett Aria]

By my own twisted logic I wasn't evil until my last round alive last game, so really this consistency should comfort you.

Thoughts on Viper and Pizza's claim?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm actually starting to wonder if Pizza's rampant quoting from games in the recent past isn't part of his role description. Seems like it would be something Barto would do to mess with him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wish I was a vanilla townie. But I signed up to play and I like solving games so I will be attempting to find out who the mafia is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm actually starting to wonder if Pizza's rampant quoting from games in the recent past isn't part of his role description. Seems like it would be something Barto would do to mess with him.

Okay, let's look further into it.

How likely do you think it is that I'm scum?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, let's look further into it.

How likely do you think it is that I'm scum?

Can you quote something from Pirate Ship III?

[Cuthillius]

I don't want to lynch Pizza today

[Scarlett Aria]

I don't want to lynch Pizza today

Do you really think votes will stay like this?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can you quote something from Pirate Ship III?

Well, yes: it's cheese. I say, now I say, this here's a boy usin' his noggin. I expect to be suitably rewarded.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't think Pizza is scum, I think he's a "host having fun" role in which he is limited to quoting posts from recent mafia games. Probably harmless.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I do end up being a mafia scumbag it will be news to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do you really think votes will stay like this?

This plan is so flawless it can't possibly result in my lynch!

[Askthepizzaguy]

The above post is not a tell either way for Pizza, so please stop voting him.

[Scarlett Aria]

unvote

[Askthepizzaguy]

I AM THE TERROR THAT FLAPS IN THE NIGHT!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mama-pizzaduck-man misses you.

Quack quack!

[Zack]

I'm not going to mutiny, because I think Double A is a fine captain, but he needs to either whip his officers into shape or replace them, because their old boys club is not cutting it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[El Barto]

Unless I've made a mess out of the timer yet again, voting hasn't closed, GeneralHankerchief.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unless I've made a mess out of the timer yet again, voting hasn't closed, GeneralHankerchief.

The others were quoting various posts from Pirate Ship III, I just decided to quote my own post(s) from that game.

[El Barto]

Ye scurvy dog!

[Csargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g2ZAhopQU8

Vote:GH

[Choxorn]

Mutiny: Kagemusha

[Visor]

Elect: GH
Vote: Beskar

[Choxorn]

I want to help you kill the Frenchman, but my role literally can't participate in actions unless you pay me gold.

[Jarema]

I want to help you kill the Frenchman, but my role literally can't participate in actions unless you pay me gold.

I will pay you half of my gold

[Raith Kemmler]

I'm not sure the constant quoting of other games is helpful, especially for reads and data. Less pro mafia and more...bad in general.

[Kennigit]

what is a survivor

[Kennigit]

I wonder when jarrema and visorslash will just get together day 1 instead of coy flirtation

[Kennigit]

vote: Raith Kemmler

[Zack]

Catching up. Have we decided to lynch Ken-whatever yet? Rolefishing, taking a claim of authority over town (speaking "for the town") and other scumbutt behavior exhibited. Thanks folks.

Unvote, Vote: Kenning.

And Zack is VI

[El Barto]

OK, stop voting, I'm doing the tally and update and all that crap.

[El Barto]

DAY ONE

Scarlett Aria, an innocent townie, was lynched.

landlubber: Pelican; BSmith (2)
Askthepizzaguy: Zack (1)
BSmith: landlubber (1)
RaithKemmler: Choxorn; Kennigit (2)
ScarlettAria: Cuthillius; issaikhaan; GeneralHankerchief (3)
Cuthillius: Al Sipsclar (1)
Visorslash: Jarema (1)
seireikhaan: SeveringViper (1)
SeveringViper: Raith Kemmler (1)
GeneralHankerchief: Sooh; Csargo (2)
Sooh: Golden1Knight (1)
Zack: Askthepizzaguy (1)
Tiaexzs: Visorslash (1)

Not voting: ScarlettAria†; Zain (2)

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. seireikhaan
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kenning
13. BSmith
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Night One. It will last 24 hours. Send me your night actions!

[Kennigit]

can you use people's screen names as they appear in the thread? I don't know who Tiaexzs is


I don't want to lynch Pizza today

that's an extremely odd thing to say, for really no reason. If you aren't voting to lynch him and no real weight is behind him (except zack), why emphatically state that?

[El Barto]

Tiaexz is Beskar, whom Visorslash voted for.

[Choxorn]

Tiaexz is Beskar, whom Visorslash voted for.

And who apparently isn't actually playing...

[Visor]

And who apparently isn't actually playing...

Wouldn't have mattered if my actual target had his vote on him either apparently.

[El Barto]

So, no orders at all yet with less than ten hours to go… coupled with an IRL do for me tonight, I might extend Night One for 12-24 hours (uni starts this week so I might shift the schedule).

And who apparently isn't actually playing...
The rules don't say you have to vote for a player in this game. Of course, I can WoG people at will for not following the spirit of the rules of the game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Of course, I can WoG people at will for not following the spirit of the rules of the game.

Or just in general, really. Host's prerogative and all. :evilgrin:

[Zack]

I don't have orders to send, or else you would have one order.

[Visor]

I sent in my conversion order now, sorry.

[Visor]

hello?

[El Barto]

NIGHT ONE

BSmith was found dead.

he was Town!

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. seireikhaan
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kenning
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Day Two. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes.

[Visor]

Vote: Cuth

[Zack]

what's the deal with †

[El Barto]

Deceased. Don't you ever use wikipedia?

[Cuthillius]

Vote:Visor

[Visor]

what's the deal with †

what's the deal with airline food

[Zain]

vote:pelican

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Golden1Knight

[Visor]

This is an exciting game so far.

[Zain]

My game is suffering too, a dead season for the Org.

[Visor]

Well basically, someone needs to step it up in terms of activity/cases etc. I'm tired of doing it in recent games so it is highly unlikely to be me.

Failing that I am probably just going to try to lynch the lowest poster each day until I get killed or converted.

[Zack]

My game is suffering too, a dead season for the Org.
Get a moderator to put "pirate" in the title.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I aim to please.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, for the record, and not that I subscribe to this theory (I think the outcome of last game proved its fallibility) but the people voting for known innocents so far are myself, khaan, Cuthilius (Scarlett), and lubber (BSmith).

As for the innocents, Scarlett didn't lodge a legal vote and BSmith voted for lubber.

[Jarema]

vote: Isaikhaan

[GeneralHankerchief]

vote: Isaikhaan

Why?

[Visor]

You suggesting that people who voted for innocents D1 tend to be mafia more often than not?

I would generally subscribe to something similar, but moreso that someone voting mafia d1 tends not to be mafia.

Distancing D1 is a terrible play on the Org thanks to how low content and the fact that the lynch is almost completely random.

[Visor]

Why?

I am not exactly against the vote. I wanted to vote Khaan earlier today and I can't even explain why.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You suggesting that people who voted for innocents D1 tend to be mafia more often than not?

I'm not suggesting there's any correlation whatsoever, especially not on the .Org as you mentioned, I put the information out there to see how people would react to it, like potentially Jarema.

[Visor]

I'm not suggesting there's any correlation whatsoever, especially not on the .Org as you mentioned, I put the information out there to see how people would react to it, like potentially Jarema.

I don't think you're going to get much out of Jarema.

FWIW, I think he would post more than that in that post if he was mafia/cult, he would feel the need to give a reason. I feel like he is probably town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

FWIW, I think he would post more than that in that post if he was mafia/cult, he would feel the need to give a reason. I feel like he is probably town.

Is this a Jarema-specific read you have or more in general?

[Visor]

Is this a Jarema-specific read you have or more in general?

Jarema specific read.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good talking with you, let's see if any other folks pop in now. :laugh4:

[Visor]

Good talking with you, let's see if any other folks pop in now. :laugh4:

The chances are pretty low.

Do you have ~any reads at the moment? Only one I have is Jarema town, and I suppose you get a mild town lean simply for talking to me. :p

[Zack]

pirate

[GeneralHankerchief]

I do think Pizza is town just based off the previous round.

Al Sips is a lot quieter than he was last game, but that might just be because this isn't his home forum and he hasn't checked it as much.

Gut feeling on Golden being scum, can't back that up with remotely anything though.

[Visor]

I don't think Al Sips being quiet is alignment indicative fwiw.

I also tend to agree on Pizza being town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't think Al Sips being quiet is alignment indicative fwiw.

I don't know enough about Al Sips and his playstyle either way (beyond the one game) to make a call, was just observing.

[Zack]

Also, for the record, and not that I subscribe to this theory (I think the outcome of last game proved its fallibility) but the people voting for known innocents so far are myself, khaan, Cuthilius (Scarlett), and lubber (BSmith).

As for the innocents, Scarlett didn't lodge a legal vote and BSmith voted for lubber.

this seems really forced

[GeneralHankerchief]

this seems really forced

That's because it was. :laugh4:

[Choxorn]

Vote: GH for forcing.

[Visor]

Vote:Choxorn

You're probably not serious, but regardless.

[Zack]

If he's lying, this is an across-the-board lie that will damage his reputation forever. I now count four separate mods vouching for him, plus it being stated in the Sasaki thread. If he wants to win like this, let him.

[Jarema]

Why?

You suggesting that people who voted for innocents D1 tend to be mafia more often than not?

I would generally subscribe to something similar, but moreso that someone voting mafia d1 tends not to be mafia.

Distancing D1 is a terrible play on the Org thanks to how low content and the fact that the lynch is almost completely random.


This is in fact the main reason behind my vote. I looked at list of players who lynched Scarlet and chosen one of them, who I feeled was most scummy. I dont know what else I could base my vote on right now

[Jarema]

If he's lying, this is an across-the-board lie that will damage his reputation forever. I now count four separate mods vouching for him, plus it being stated in the Sasaki thread. If he wants to win like this, let him.
I honestly totaly dont understand what you mean and who are you talking about

[Visor]

I honestly totaly dont understand what you mean and who are you talking about

Its a quote from GH from another game called The Settlement according to google.

[Sooh]

I don't even know what to do with this game, but seeing as it's mafia vs cult I'm probably going to have to reevalute every read on every new day anyway, so it feels more like a YOLO game. At least until we get down to the last few players.

Vote: Zack

Get back in here.

[Jarema]

I don't even know what to do with this game, but seeing as it's mafia vs cult I'm probably going to have to reevalute every read on every new day anyway, so it feels more like a YOLO game. At least until we get down to the last few players.


have you've been already recruited?
:lol:

[Pelican]

Hmmm....I'm actually not a fan of the fact that Zack is still quoting old games. It was a fun gag on day one, but I thin we ought to dig into the game a little more now, and that stuff is more confusing and filler-y than it's worth.

Vote: Zack

[Sooh]

have you've been already recruited?
:lol:

Nope. Have you?

[Jarema]

still waiting

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: Jarema

They will not have you :P

[Raith Kemmler]

Deceased. Don't you ever use wikipedia?

I like it. Gives an old timey died in war vibe.


Hmmm....I'm actually not a fan of the fact that Zack is still quoting old games. It was a fun gag on day one, but I thin we ought to dig into the game a little more now, and that stuff is more confusing and filler-y than it's worth.

Vote: Zack

I didn't like it when it was day 1 since I couldn't understand half of it. Unless there's some kind of code here, it's just filler nonsense.

Vote:Zack

[Zack]

Sorry to disappoint, but I am townier than Mayor Meuilleur.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I didn't like it when it was day 1 since I couldn't understand half of it. Unless there's some kind of code here, it's just filler nonsense.

Is posting filler nonsense more likely to come from scum?

[Pelican]

Sorry to disappoint, but I am townier than Mayor Meuilleur.

Then care to present a read, a case, etc...yada yada yada (excuse my cynicism towards this kind of prompting, I find it a bit tedious but necessary in some cases, such as today, when things are moving at a glacial pace)


Is posting filler nonsense more likely to come from scum?

I'd say it's null, but it's a better thing to post for scum then town, since scum has more reasons to keep up appearances of activity without posting any real content, and endearing themselves to the good humor of their fellow players. I disregard it on day one, and usually in subsequent days unless I have significant other evidence to go with it, since that kind of stuff can also be posted by anyone in the spirit of camaraderie and fun, but it's a starting point at least.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Golden
Vote: Al Sips

[Zack]

I already did make a case, but everyone assumed it was a joke and disregarded it. Logically, it makes more sense to go after the cult first and then deal with the mafia afterwards, yet ATPG clearly showed more concern about the mafia, because he's the cult leader.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[Zack]

I don't even know what to do with this game, but seeing as it's mafia vs cult I'm probably going to have to reevalute every read on every new day anyway, so it feels more like a YOLO game. At least until we get down to the last few players.

Vote: Zack

Get back in here.
Also I'd like to point out the absurdity of the "get back in here" request, considering it was posted at approximately 7am in my timezone. Given my age, status, and schedule, 7am is essentially the middle of the night for me, or at least the midpoint of my normal sleeping hours.

[Zack]

And of course everyone knows my sleeping habits, yet sooh still said that anyways.

[Zack]

I say that jokingly, but someone did actually use hypothesized sleeping hours for me in a case they made, once upon a time (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132957-The-Half-Monty-Concluded&p=2053264925&viewfull=1#post2053264925). I was town in that game fwiw. :laugh4:

[Zack]

Someone else talk! I see that little green symbol, General Mafiachief, you aren't fooling me.

[Visor]

Sorry to disappoint, but I am townier than Mayor Meuilleur.

I vaguely remember someone saying this some time ago.

ATPG not showing up is minorly troublesome, but probably because he randed town IMO.

[Zack]

Once upon a time, there was a town named Town. Some of the members of this town were members of a secret criminal organization. Most people were not.

One day, there were orders from the head honcho of said criminal organization: eliminate everybody in the town.

The question on their lips was: Why? The town was pretty much idyllic. There was a lake, it was moderately close to the beach, moderately close to the mountains, had a temperate climate, and had a low crime rate, high educational opportunities, and even had a thriving economy. Its chief export was vanilla; its chief import was chocolate.

But, like good mafiosos, they struck, quickly and silently. Due to bureaucratic limitations, however, they could only kill one person per night. So they killed Mayor Meuilleur.

Upon the discovery of the corpse, the townspeople suddenly knew what to do: about 20 of them would decide the fate of the rest of the town. They would do this by holding special votes and lynching people once per day until the mafiosos were dead. It had worked before (actually this had never been tried).

That being decided, the townspeople went to sleep, some for the last time...

[Zack]

(It's the classic background story (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=373245) for older CFC clue games.)

[Pelican]

Unvote: Golden
Vote: Al Sips

?


I already did make a case, but everyone assumed it was a joke and disregarded it. Logically, it makes more sense to go after the cult first and then deal with the mafia afterwards, yet ATPG clearly showed more concern about the mafia, because he's the cult leader.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

But how is someone supposed to distinguish between cult and mafia among their scum reads? Don't both just end up looking like scum in thread? So how do you prioritize hunting one over the other? So isn't concern about the mafia just a natural part of scumhunting? Also, will all of my sentences be in the form of questions from now on? Why can't I stop? OH GOD WHY CAN'T I STOP!?

[Zack]

Well, since you're defending him so vehemently and going after me equally vehemently, I vehemently suggest you're his first cult minion.

[Csargo]

I already did make a case, but everyone assumed it was a joke and disregarded it. Logically, it makes more sense to go after the cult first and then deal with the mafia afterwards, yet ATPG clearly showed more concern about the mafia, because he's the cult leader.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Vote:ATPG

I believe in you! Go get'em champ.

[landlubber]

I really don't think Zack is mafia.

vote:ATPG for counterwagon.

[Choxorn]

Can we get a tally?

[Zack]

Zack - too many
ATPG - not enough

[Zack]

csargo and landlubber are lock town far as i'm concerned

[Kennigit]

vote: GeneralHankerchief

I didn't like your posting yesterday and don't like it today. This is a strange criticism but it really felt to me like you had some reason to vote golden1knight lined up but no one asked you to elaborate (I mean, you did do a 1-post-with-vote and then when jarrema did the same question him). This on top of a forced post about who voted innocents so far.


it's like you're the cult leader and failed to convert a mafia and just BEGGING to prove your innocence. "LET ME LYNCH A MAFIA GUYS, ITS MY GUT FEELING"

[Askthepizzaguy]

I mean, I guess I should have expected this. The Org is the least friendly board for claims that aren't town.

[Raith Kemmler]

Logically, it makes more sense to go after the cult first and then deal with the mafia afterwards, yet ATPG clearly showed more concern about the mafia, because he's the cult leader.

Cult would definitely be harder to track thanks to conversion headaches. Although there must be something to balance out the battle royal aspect. But okay, let's see where this hypothesis goes.

Vote:Askthepizzaguy

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even if all that EVIDENCE doesn't convince you, I am asking you to ignore my claim then and focus on my tone/words/etc.

Do I sound like I am coming from a position of perfect information? Do I sound guilty?

I am doing my utmost firstly to get these terrible votes off me - next will come the examination of the players as they stand so far. But that will happen tonight, I'm taking a break for now.

[Kennigit]

i don't understand, are you actually making a third party claim?

[Askthepizzaguy]

10. Askthepizzaguy, Town

[Raith Kemmler]

Hmm. I think my last vote is null since I didn't unvote.

After glancing quickly through the thread, I'm not really feeling the scum thing on Pizza, but I'm kind of hazy for reads with the previous round of multi-voting.

Unvote

No new vote till I've got a bit of time to try to make sense of things.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am vanilla townie

[landlubber]

i don't understand, are you actually making a third party claim?

He's still quoting from the game where Visor was third-party. I think he's just screwing with us.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I already did make a case, but everyone assumed it was a joke and disregarded it. Logically, it makes more sense to go after the cult first and then deal with the mafia afterwards, yet ATPG clearly showed more concern about the mafia, because he's the cult leader.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

In the end, I think you got too caught up in trivial matters and ended up missing the forest for the trees.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Landlubber










Member thankful for this post:

Double A (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=32634)

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG not showing up is minorly troublesome, but probably because he randed town IMO.

Remember to bold your votes.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Kennegit

A) Don't touch my honeybun on day 2

B) The post... tweaks my scumdar. Gut instinct. You doth protest too much.

You all should vote for Kennegit.

[Jarema]

Vote: Landlubber

why?

[Zack]

Cult would definitely be harder to track thanks to conversion headaches. Although there must be something to balance out the battle royal aspect. But okay, let's see where this hypothesis goes.

Vote:Askthepizzaguy
No conversion headaches on d1 when pizza made that post lol. hmmm I don't like the tone of this post. It feels like you're taunting me because you know pizza is not actually the cult leader, and you want to see me embarrassed by the result. reeks of pis

unvote, vote: Raith Kemmler

[Zack]

In the end, I think you got too caught up in trivial matters and ended up missing the forest for the trees.
I tried so hard and got so far.

[Zack]

No conversion headaches on d1 when pizza made that post lol. hmmm I don't like the tone of this post. It feels like you're taunting me because you know pizza is not actually the cult leader, and you want to see me embarrassed by the result. reeks of pis

unvote, vote: Raith Kemmler

REEKS for gods sake

[Zack]

I really don't think Zack is mafia.

vote:ATPG for counterwagon.

BUT DO YOU THINK AM I CULT OH LOVER OF LAND???

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyway, Raith, I see you joined here for this game as well? Might as well target the obvious competition first, it's a fair tactic :3
Vote: Raith Kemmler

[Askthepizzaguy]

I already did make a case, but everyone assumed it was a joke and disregarded it. Logically, it makes more sense to go after the cult first and then deal with the mafia afterwards, yet ATPG clearly showed more concern about the mafia, because

ATPG is literally quoting

from multiple sources

from games in the recent past

isn't part of his role description. Seems like it would be something

him

would do to mess with

you all

ouch. I missed it at top of your post - it seemed to me as if it started with quotation

[Zack]

oh pis is perfect information syndrome for the uninitiated


Perfect Information Syndrome: When a mafioso accidentally reveals he knows more than the average uninformed townie really should, either through directly declaring such information while talking about something else, or through their voting patterns.

[Al Sipsclar]

Not sure if that's the site culture thing, but .Org Zack feels scummier than CFC Zack based on the tone. Probably it was not a good idea to sign for 2 games on the different sites at the same time. I think the only game I played here (ROTSC) had a lot of outside players, so it's not representative of the site culture.

I want more Pizza, so not voting him.
Raith seems indecisive enough to be town.
Visor seems town: clearing townies, voting around, even though he's claiming conversion powers.
GH is scumhunting, good.

Need to read up on the rest.

Vote: Zack

[Zack]

Scummy in what way.

[Al Sipsclar]

Scummy in what way.

On general tone. I was just reading ISO's on CFC, then switched here and felt the contrast. You are more reasonable, helpful and solvey there, and more fluffy and careless here. ALL CAPS and stuff. Calling out GH for the forced post was good, though.

Jarema seems a bit wordy than in ROTSC, but less wordy than in the CFC game where he was town nevertheless. I really don't like his meta, that is actually forcing him to be a lurker when town. I'd like to encourage him to post more.

Choxorn had like a single non-fluff post, voting GH for forcing. Might be a joke, might be lazy or opportunistic. Slight scum.

Sooh as well has a single YOLO vote. Slight scum.

Kennigit feels good, solvey.

[Zack]

Talking about a currently running game is skirting a line I feel.

[Visor]

Talking about a currently running game is skirting a line I feel.

Yep, was about to say this.

Should never talk about an ongoing game.

[Al Sipsclar]

Talking about a currently running game is skirting a line I feel.

Hmm, didn't think that it might be a problem. Sorry.

[Al Sipsclar]

Town:
Visorslash
GeneralHankerchief

Slight town:
Askthepizzaguy
Raith Kemmler
Pelican, pushing for serious game
Kennigit

Neutral:
Jarema
landlubber, votes ATPG over Zack. Making choices is good.
seireikhaan. If he voted Kennigit just for his GH vote, that'd be null. The additional point he makes about his scumdar - not sure. Neutral to very slight scum lean.

Slight scum:
Zack
Choxorn
Sooh
Cuthillius, voted Scarlett and votes Visor without a reason

Unresolved:
Golden1Knight
Csargo
Zain
SeveringViper

The last group needs to post more.

[El Barto]

Voting's closed, I'm doing the update.

[El Barto]

DAY TWO

Zack was lynched. He was Town!

Visorslash: Cuthillius (1)
Pelican: Zain (1)
Issaikhaan: Jarema (1)
GeneralHankerchief: Choxorn; Kennigit (2)
Choxorn: Visorslash (1)
Zack: Sooh; Pelican; Al Sipsclar (3)
Jarema: Golden1Knight (1)
Al Sipsclar: GeneralHankerchief (1)
Askthepizzaguy: Csargo; landlubber (2)
Kennigit: seireikhaan (1)
Raith Kemmler: Zack; Askthepizzaguy (2)

Not voting: Severing Viper (1)

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. seireikhaan
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. SeveringViper

It is now Night Two. It will last 24 hours. Remember to send in your night actions.


Special: the players Visorslash and Al Sipsclar are considered roleblocked for Night Two because I'm bloody tired of having to ask people not to thank posts.

[Visor]

Hey, hey hey, stop it with the thanking posts. There's enough bolded text as it is.

This is the ONLY mention of you saying anything about thanking posts.

It's not a rule in the OP, nor did you say it was disallowed.

One could take what you said as a joke.

You have zero grounds to roleblock either myself or Al Sipsclar.

[Zack]

Can dead players talk?

[El Barto]

I did ask people to stop thanking posts and it's not the first game where I've done so.

Zack: No, dead is dead, sorry. But you can be a replacement.

[Visor]

I did ask people to stop thanking posts and it's not the first game where I've done so.

Zack: No, dead is dead, sorry. But you can be a replacement.

I literally quoted that post.

1. I can't even tell if that post was serious (obviously it was now).
2. Other games don't matter. I am playing this game.
3. It wasn't in the OP.
4. You did not specify any sort of punishment if it happened.

There is no argument here Takhisis. You have no grounds to enforce an arbitrary punishment on two players for not following a made up rule half way through the game that wasn't in a serious tone, added to the OP or even mentioned the players in the game.

[Sooh]

Wait.

Barto is Takhisis?

[Al Sipsclar]

Sooh is town.

[Visor]

Nice soulread. :laugh4:

[Visor]

Sooh is town.

I know exactly why you're reading her town too, btw.

[GeneralHankerchief]

From here on out I will be enforcing the host's request to please not thank posts in the thread.

A request has been made and now that everybody is on the same page it's common courtesy to abide by it. :bow: