Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

[Sooh]

You're being joking the same way as I've seen you do as scum specifically, and your immediate thunderdome challenge is definitely scummy. I've seen what you do.

Jarema, vote for ATPG.
Pizza thunderdome is exactly null, or perhaps even a bit townie in my opinion. I've seen him take on players like that more often as town than as scum, and that recently as well.

I may be completely oblivious to the obvious here, but until that's proven I will Vote: Cuthilius

You're reaching.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=560886
Ended 17th Jan this year

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?454438-Middle-Earth-WW-The-Return-of-the-King
Ended 16th Jan this year

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/605914-final-fantasy-mafia-ii-game-over-fiend-victory
Ended Oct 15 last year

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/05-25-vanilla-ww-game-its-always-sunny-pogadelphia-game-thread-1534651/
Ended June 1 last year

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=545809
Ended May 8 last year

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/game-thread-blaze-4-21-no-seer-13er-1526864/
Ended April 27 last year

Hells (http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=37399) kitchen (http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=37443)
Ended 23rd Feb last year

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?390249-Werewolf-Classic-XVIII-Resurrection
Ended Feb 9 last year

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?345600-My-Little-Townie-WW-is-Magic-(game-start-on-page-3)
Ended less than 2 years ago

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?349760-Middle-Earth-WW-Fellowship-of-the-Ring
Ended less than 2 years ago
Feel free to dig.

Now guess how long it would take me to find a game where I joked around a lot as a townie.

https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,342967.0.html
Ended Jan 24 this year. I was King Bowser.

How about Pirate Ship III?

How about the last game at Civ? Town of Sissy heroes?

It's basically every single game btw, and I'm far more serious when I'm a scumbag.

This game is me being loose.

You lose.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hell, check out those quickie games on this site I was a part of not that long ago that I was quoting from earlier.

I mean, basically, you can't be more wrong here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The best part about not lying is I don't even have to look.

Those 10 scum games I linked, is me in serious mode approximately 49 out of every 50 posts.

If that's even a little bit mathematically wrong, lynch me today or tomorrow or any day. That's how sure I am. Without even having to check.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have like 4 town games back to back on DM which contain a buttload of posts I could quote for townie comparison which ended recently.

This is to anyone. Randomly pick one of those games and see what I do there as scum.

Randomly pick a townie game for comparison. Spend 5 minutes on each game.

I double dare ya.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Got plenty of time to do the research.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't include 2 games where I got converted to cult after starting as townie, because the majority of my posts were townie ones.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So here I am by myself uh uh talkin to myself. That's that's chaos theory.

I just looked at Jumping Mafia where I'd say only my opening post even qualifies as a joke, versus Town of Sissy Heroes where half of my posts are jokes. That's me picking so it's not exactly random, but you can play this game at home too frands.

[El Barto]

atheotes replaces SeveringViper in this game.

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. atheotes

There's still 23½ hours left.

[Cuthillius]

Ah, and can you link me your last cult games?

[Visor]

Ah, and can you link me your last cult games?

LOL

what kind of useless question is that.

Vote: Cuthillius

[Csargo]

Agreed.

Vote: Cuthillius

I honestly thought that GH was scummy for the entirety of this game Askthepizzaguy If he was ever converted imo it was before the khaan lynch, thought that case was pretty scummy tbh.

Think ATPG is townie at this point most likely, so I'm voting Cuthillius because that question is pretty nit-picky and I dislike that.

[atheotes]

Hi all :jumping:

Off to read the thread now!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, and can you link me your last cult games?

I don't see how it could possibly help here, but

http://www.giraffeboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=41
Greek History mafia. They do multiple threads per game, so you have to scroll down / go to next page. I was town for at least the first two days. Got converted and then vigged. Especially annoying because I was killed for behavior I did when I was a townie defending two other townies from mislynches.
There's another in-progress where my faction hasnt been wiped out yet so I can't really cite it.

This game- I didn't get converted to cult (yet).

If you want to hard claim mafia with some kind of knowledge of who a cultist is, I am willing to listen. It should be possible to wipe out the cult faction today or at least cripple it to prevent new recruits. Otherwise, the focus for today is mafiosi. I'm not one of those, and that much should be obvious: I was planning on doing nothing but quoting previous posts all game based on a whim that started with quoting Visorslash's two previous games where he hard claimed survivor, and only stopped because I was asked to do so repeatedly by my fellow players. I was actually planning on only quoting Visor's posts but then I realized it would be funnier to start quoting people's own posts back at them as an ironic echo. Also, if I wanted to actually vote for people I wanted to vote for, I'd need to quote from more varied sources.

There are several players here who are displaying behavior which looks like mafia-specific behavior. In the 12 or so hours that remain, can you list 3-4 names which meet that criteria?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scumbag one:


Vote:Visorslash

I'm willing to follow ATPG and lynch him tomorrow if he's wrong.

Cuth's behavior that round and where I currently stand on Visor.

Khaan was innocent, Visor was my suspect.


vote:golden1knight

Saves Jarema.

Potential scumbag two:


time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

Cult-specific hunting and anticipating I'd be the convert. Also iirc Jarema even stated earlier that his policy toward me would be to wait until I was converted, then lynch me.


vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

Now, this could also come from Jarema-the-townie, because that much is not mafia-specific reasoning, but some straightforward assessment of my likelihood of being cult in several rounds.


vote: Golden1Knight

Don't like this pile-on vote. Click for context.

Scumbag number three:


Mr. and Mrs. Smith? :laugh4:

Maybe you're from different factions, that would make things interesting at home.

Hmm, is this the claim that Pizza is asking for? Vote: Golden1Knight

The Snake cult had an influx of new blood who were pushing the discussion. Here we have nothing to talk about.

I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.

Sarcasm, right?

Oh, yeah, that elusive "townie line of thinking" again that I'm consistently fail to demonstrate. For some reason, only scum is always accusing me of this. I guess this is another case of "he who smelt it, dealt it". Unvote; Vote: Pelican

Pizza is cult
Raith is with Pizza
Visor has been just converted
GH is mafia
Sooh is still town
Choxorn is either scum
Cuth is scum
Jarema is scum
Zain is town
G1K, Csargo, SV are Olympic-grade lurkers. If Bruce Springsteen had ever recorded “Born to Lurk,” these two three would have been on the album cover.

Cuth might be town for lynching a townie.

I mean, pretty much diaf, Al Sips. You're radiating the scumness.

Possible Cultist:


So I have gut feelings about both Raith and Al Sipsclar that I was hoping to be able to work with today and see if there's a case on either (or both) especially considering the Jarrema wagon looks exactly like the Khaan one yesterday and I don't feel super comfortable with the alternative either. But I think this is the only opportunity I'm going to have to post at all today. Anyways, the post I quoted definitely looks like it's coming from a mafia perspective so vote vote: Al Sips and I'd like to say more but if I do I'll be late for class.

Cult clearly wants Al Sips dead.

I do too.


Vote: Pelican as well.

Vote: Al Sipsclar as well.

Easy game.

Difference is I want cult and mafia both dead.

Next 4 lynches should be Cuth, Al, Jarema, Pelican.

But you know, I will get spite converted to cult in the interim. So mafia, do you want to kill the cult by your murder, or via the lynch?

It's up to you, broheims.

I can lynch you today or the cultist.

You are outed either way imo, so I won't be moving my vote to Pelican until I see at least 2 of you do so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i was more worried about the possibility of 4 maf.

It occurs to me 2 things

1. Cult could deliberately not recruit 'obvious' converts
2. jarrema would have recruited me if he was cult leader

Mafia not cult imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ATPG
why Cuth??
I can agree for common target that makes sense. But I dont feel Cuth being scum

Maybe vote: Pelican?

Mafia should think Pelican is cult too. Especially because Pelican is all over the same suspects I am.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just want to thank the cult and the mafia for providing me with their partially perfect information with which to hang both factions.

Superior to a cop result, imo.

[Visor]

Mafia not cult imo.

Yeah he definitely more likely mafia than cult.

re the giraffeboards game

that was a very limited cult and not what you would typically expect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If cult have a starting NK ability per the rules, you guys even if you are about to be lynched can safely reveal who you tried to NK and it failed, because if you're going to be lynched anyway you don't have to out one of your own.

No one was killed N3.

You guys tried to kill Pelican?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah he definitely more likely mafia than cult.

re the giraffeboards game

that was a very limited cult and not what you would typically expect.

Yeah, not really useful for analysis anyway but what the heck, maybe I display different behavior after conversion.

I know I was all serious bsns after I got converted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Visor, any of those seem likely to be townies to you?

I think I die shortly, so let's use the time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

full re-read before I go

[Visor]

Visor, any of those seem likely to be townies to you?

I think I die shortly, so let's use the time.

As far as I am aware there are no townies in this game.

You'd be the closest one.

I don't have ANY town reads.

Basically shooting into a barrel.

[Visor]

Pelican maybe?

I know he is a much bigger lurker as scum than he is town. But everybody is lurking. I guess I could vote him today.

[Visor]

I am basically forced to town read you for the fact you are actually here trying to do something.

Half the playerbase barely even shows up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Vote:Scarlett Aria, I've heard you're only town when you look scummy, and you don't look scummy. Therefore! You must be scum.

Feels okay.


Vote: Cuthillius for scumhunting on D1.

Feels scummy.


vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

Feels very scummy. Assumes I'm not mafia.


Vote: Jarema

Hey, I just like your name.

Not scum with J


Vote: Jarema How do you know he is not mafia

Not scum with J, very valid observation.


I don't want to lynch Pizza today

Like Jarema, wants me to get converted first methinks. Given his later behavior.


Mutiny: Kagemusha

Elect: GH
Vote: Beskar

I want to help you kill the Frenchman, but my role literally can't participate in actions unless you pay me gold.

Townie humor


Vote: Cuth

Not scum with Cuth imo.


Vote:Visor

Not town.


vote:pelican

Tough to say- not cult or cult leader imo. I'd say it's ok.

Scum ranking:

1. Jarema
2. Al Sipsclar
3. Cuth

Town ranking:

1. Visorslash
2. Sooh
3. choxorn
4. Zain

[Askthepizzaguy]

Visor, the mafia's behavior is findable like in a normal game. Even though this is a cult game, assume the mafia have tells.

The cult is harder to find but the mafia have a leg up on that because they know who isn't mafia.

Step 1 find the mafia based on their behavior
Step 2 notice the number of alive cultists is low compared to alive townies
Step 3 town read the folks who are likely pushing mafia to death early
Step 4 of those, look at who the mafia thinks is cult probably

It's a lot of limbs to climb onto, but it's better than not posting. And if the tinfoil turns out to be correct, the glory there is to be had is not a small amount.

[Visor]

I am finding it hard to summon the effort. I will take an indepth look later tonight maybe.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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vote: Isaikhaan

Null but could be cult hunting


I don't think you're going to get much out of Jarema.

FWIW, I think he would post more than that in that post if he was mafia/cult, he would feel the need to give a reason. I feel like he is probably town.

Null maybe


Vote: GH for forcing.

Seems fine


I don't even know what to do with this game, but seeing as it's mafia vs cult I'm probably going to have to reevalute every read on every new day anyway, so it feels more like a YOLO game. At least until we get down to the last few players.

Vote: Zack

Get back in here.

She hates cult games. Maybe more than me. I believe this post.


Hmmm....I'm actually not a fan of the fact that Zack is still quoting old games. It was a fun gag on day one, but I thin we ought to dig into the game a little more now, and that stuff is more confusing and filler-y than it's worth.

Vote: Zack

Why Pelican is a cult read and not a town read. He may not be mafia but I doubt he's town.


Then care to present a read, a case, etc...yada yada yada (excuse my cynicism towards this kind of prompting, I find it a bit tedious but necessary in some cases, such as today, when things are moving at a glacial pace)

I'd say it's null, but it's a better thing to post for scum then town, since scum has more reasons to keep up appearances of activity without posting any real content, and endearing themselves to the good humor of their fellow players. I disregard it on day one, and usually in subsequent days unless I have significant other evidence to go with it, since that kind of stuff can also be posted by anyone in the spirit of camaraderie and fun, but it's a starting point at least.

You'll have to link back for the nested quotes.

This is kind of the same behavior I exhibited in that Middle Earth game when I was scum. Point out the glacial pace and talk about the difficulties in solving the game. It's great filler and it matches what scum probably think town is feeling.


Unvote: Golden
Vote: Al Sips

Well he turned out to be cult. Not even sure why I quoted this. He was probably town when this happened but *shrug*


I really don't think Zack is mafia.

vote:ATPG for counterwagon.

I think this is actually townie. I can't explain why. It matches how I feel landlubber approaches me in these games. Unlike most players he's willing to get rid of me early at the drop of a hat, no reason needed except he doesn't want to lynch others.

It's thin and it could be wrong but my gut says it's right.


Not sure if that's the site culture thing, but .Org Zack feels scummier than CFC Zack based on the tone. Probably it was not a good idea to sign for 2 games on the different sites at the same time. I think the only game I played here (ROTSC) had a lot of outside players, so it's not representative of the site culture.

I want more Pizza, so not voting him.
Raith seems indecisive enough to be town.
Visor seems town: clearing townies, voting around, even though he's claiming conversion powers.
GH is scumhunting, good.

Need to read up on the rest.

Vote: Zack

Scum. EZ


On general tone. I was just reading ISO's on CFC, then switched here and felt the contrast. You are more reasonable, helpful and solvey there, and more fluffy and careless here. ALL CAPS and stuff. Calling out GH for the forced post was good, though.

Jarema seems a bit wordy than in ROTSC, but less wordy than in the CFC game where he was town nevertheless. I really don't like his meta, that is actually forcing him to be a lurker when town. I'd like to encourage him to post more.

Choxorn had like a single non-fluff post, voting GH for forcing. Might be a joke, might be lazy or opportunistic. Slight scum.

Sooh as well has a single YOLO vote. Slight scum.

Kennigit feels good, solvey.

I don't buy this. Al Sips is being tryhard here. It's pretense, no one else in the game including the usual suspects for doing so are trying hard.

Look at how townie I am

Nope.


Town:
Visorslash
GeneralHankerchief

Slight town:
Askthepizzaguy
Raith Kemmler
Pelican, pushing for serious game
Kennigit

Neutral:
Jarema
landlubber, votes ATPG over Zack. Making choices is good.
seireikhaan. If he voted Kennigit just for his GH vote, that'd be null. The additional point he makes about his scumdar - not sure. Neutral to very slight scum lean.

Slight scum:
Zack
Choxorn
Sooh
Cuthillius, voted Scarlett and votes Visor without a reason

Unresolved:
Golden1Knight
Csargo
Zain
SeveringViper

The last group needs to post more.

Blue- revealed town or later became cult
Green- town imo
Red- mafia imo
Purple- cult leader imo

Landlubber and Csargo are mild town leans and not starting cult. Could be cult convert at best.

It's possible Severtheotes is cult or mafia but I think it's just an abandony townie.

Scum ranking:

1. Al Sipsclar
2. Pelican
3. Jarema

Town ranking:

1. landlubber
2. Sooh
3. Visor

My reaction to Al Sips post at the bottom is what I want people to read after I die. Or now, preferably.

I do think this one is quite solving because of Al's posts, if you read any of these this is the one to read.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Sooh is town.

Because no quicktopic, based on the context.

Angleshooty and I hope some day it blows up in our faces. But yeah sure.

Mafia will be hunting cult with their murder. Could explain why Sooh is alive, even though no one is pushing her.


I like your town list so far I think Al Sips.

I want to lynch Choxorn tomorrow.

Possibly landlubber too.

I don't agree, and not sure where this comes from. A lot of the reason why I started suspecting Visor.


I do that a lot as a town vig/sk fwiw, suspect someone in the day phase, if they don't get lynched, vig them.

The read on khaan seems fair,

Sooh is btw cleared of being mafia. And cultist until today.

Taking the Sooh ball and running with it.


Voting someone, then killing them is not too obvious a connection?
I'll be fine with khaan's lynch, but I think I'd like to hear more from Vote: Cuthillius first. Or Choxorn.

I'd rather lynch Al Sipsclar than Cuth today if possible. I think he's either lynching a townie or bussing a partner. I don't see a strong hard push on Cuthillius like if he were dead serious about lynching him.


Eh.

Vote:Khaan.

Null, probably. Given the timing I don't know if he'd be recruited here yet. Probably not.


I like GH's arguments against Khaan. Also, his defense is nonexisting and when analyzing his recent comment, it is easy to go into endless WIFOM
vote: Khaan

Scummy.


ATPG, I am gonna spite vote you if you don't drop the schtick. If you don't wanna do anything thats fine, but I am tired of reading stuff people said from other games.

In other news, thanks to our glorious mod overlord, me and Al Sipsclar are basically cleared town.

So yeah, my participation in this game is gonna rapidly dwindle because I am gonna get shot by the mafia tonight or tomorrow because we are now both prime conversion targets.

I still hate this post, ftr. If I'm wrong on any of my mafia suspects then it's still Visor.


Vote:Al Sipsclar

Where you at buddy?

Town.


Vote: Zain

He is basically mod confirmed town.

That's a lazy vote if I ever saw one. He has also been active today so I don't know what your plan is here Zain.

Yick.


I think my conversions would go:
1. ATPG
2. BSmith
3. Jarema

and in a basically random order from there

Yick.

Me first? This feels like a lie.


In any case Zain is the definition of phoning it in this game.

I am also fairly sure Choxorn is scum but I cbf actually trying to lynch him.

Awful. I got town reads on both of these.

Scum ranking:

1. Al Sips
2. Visor
3. Jarema

Town ranking:

1. Zain
2. landlubber
3. choxorn


This page is why I was so anti-Visor. That and his reaction to the game host.

I still feel like there's some lacking explanation for that whole page. Choxorn and Zain are not on my WTL list and I never understood their prioritization for the lynch.

@ Visor, can you explain this page to me so I don't tinfoil / you don't get lynched before the mafia do this game if you're not mafia

[Al Sipsclar]

[COLOR=#ff0000]
I mean, pretty much diaf, Al Sips. You're radiating the scumness.


That's ... a bit demoralizing. Aren't I always.

Think what you like, say I'm focusing on the cult again, but I believe you're downplaying the cult, while I'm scared silly of it. 2/4 hits being cult means there are a lot of cultists out there. They can recruit every night and twice on Sundays. Either that or the mafia dudes are really good at reading people. Who in this thread are good at this? My fantasy mafia team would include you and Visor, maybe LL or choxorn.

But, because you're downplaying the cult and deflecting attention from it, I tend to believe that you might be a cultist rather than mafia.

[Visor]

Me first? This feels like a lie.

We have never been mafia together ever. Of course I would recruit you. Same with BSmith, we have worked together a lot as town, never been mafia together.

Reading anything into my reaction to the game host seems like a waste of time. I thoroughly disagreed with what happened there and thought the mod decision was completely arbitrary and unfair.

Zain was phoning it in, dunno how you can deny that, and I still thought Al Sips was town at that point.

Not sure what else you want me to explain.

[Visor]

That's ... a bit demoralizing. Aren't I always.

Think what you like, say I'm focusing on the cult again, but I believe you're downplaying the cult, while I'm scared silly of it. 2/4 hits being cult means there are a lot of cultists out there. They can recruit every night and twice on Sundays. Either that or the mafia dudes are really good at reading people. Who in this thread are good at this? My fantasy mafia team would include you and Visor, maybe LL or choxorn.

But, because you're downplaying the cult and deflecting attention from it, I tend to believe that you might be a cultist rather than mafia.

FWIW, I believe that if Al Sips were cult he would recruit myself and ATPG.

I don't really understand the Al Sips argument if I'm honest. Its just quoting posts and saying its scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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I don't think it really matters in a game like this, but Sooh's post asking if El Barto = takhiss is actually a pretty sick angleshoot.

Unintentionally of course, I don't think she did that on purpose, but saying that heavily implies that she is town as in qt's El Barto's name is takhisis.

so yeah. probably gonna be a convert at some stage

clearer than me and al sips anyway

Unintentional 100% of the time imo, worse is talking about it but we already went down that rabbit hole.


RE: Current happenings,

Agreed that Khaan's response to GH case looks mad scummy, but would like to push other angles as well to see what happens and make this day a little more productive maybe. General FoS on all of the people that just voted khaan without presenting anything else. Picking the first one that comes to mind, let's vote:Landlubber for now. Anything else to say?

Overly defensible post, imo.

What I mean is like what Al is doing, trying to be townier than the townies are.


So, I'm still a little unclear... what's going on with Visor and Pizza and Al? Why is Visor supposedly both lock town and absolutely scum? Is he just Schrodinger's Mafia, or something?

Completely unperturbed by Visor pushing him.


With all the votes on khaan, this day is useless for analysis.

I'd believe that Visor and not ATPG got converted last night. I think Sooh is still town. ATPG and GH are next in the conversion queue. I wonder if the cult is going to be able to convert more than one player per night at some point.

Kill this thing. It's always a scumbag.


Zain's vote actually looks townie clueless to me, so I'm not ready to call it yet.

What is the case on landlubber? Not counting khaan's vote, which is the safe haven for everyone today, his previous posts look okay. Not stellar, but fine.

Matches where I am on Zain. I believe this is mafia clearing a townie.


Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, knowing that only a great fool would take the wine he was given. I am a great fool, so I will drink the Wine In Front Of Me.

Vote: Visorslash

In context this is a great vote.


And I'm quite sure you're scum from the way you're reacting to Pizza.

I think choxorn and I still being alive is a mitigating factor here for Visor's mafia-ness, but mafia might be prioritizing the cult-hunt.


Maybe khaan's scumdar is right, and GH is actually a scum trying to stop a lucky scumhunter. Or they both cultists, propping GH for town cred.
Unvote; Vote:GeneralHankerchief.

And then GH died.

Al scum.


Vote:Visorslash

I'm willing to follow ATPG and lynch him tomorrow if he's wrong.

eeeeuuuugggghhh :vomit:


Sigh... explain it to me, I suppose.

I might be tunneling unless I'm a seer or something. So make your case.

If Visor is scum I should have been killed or blocked. I have no idea if I was blocked because I has no powers.


Plot Twist: The Mafia Godfather and Cult Leader and Cop are all the same person, and it's Visor.

Relaxedorn.

towneh


time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

Die in a fire


This is a lot of words and over explanation for what is so hypothetical it isn't even wine in front of me, it's a dream table with dreamed up placement. Argument not persuasive. Massive build up? Kind of scummy looking.

Vote: Jarema

Town


Wow, that really was quite the monologue, for a player I see as fairly soft-spoken.

Though I see his logic to a small degree, I must say this outburst feels off.

Vote: Jarema

Town


Nice and persuasive way to off someone. Good job Vote: Jarema

Town

Scum ranking:

1. Al Sipsclar
2. Al Sipsclar
3. Al Sipsclar
4. Jarema
5. Jarema
6. Cuthillius
7. Pelican

Town ranking:

1. Raith ofc
2. Sooh
3. Zain
4. choxorn
5. Visor (based on Al's posts)

Cuth could flip mafia today, but Jarema very likely will, and Al Sipsclar literally always will be a mafioso this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's ... a bit demoralizing. Aren't I always.

Think what you like, say I'm focusing on the cult again, but I believe you're downplaying the cult, while I'm scared silly of it. 2/4 hits being cult means there are a lot of cultists out there. They can recruit every night and twice on Sundays. Either that or the mafia dudes are really good at reading people. Who in this thread are good at this? My fantasy mafia team would include you and Visor, maybe LL or choxorn.

But, because you're downplaying the cult and deflecting attention from it, I tend to believe that you might be a cultist rather than mafia.

Unvote

Vote Al Sipsclar

This post is outing you as mafia. I am never unvoting you ever again this game. I will vote you every round and never unvote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We have never been mafia together ever. Of course I would recruit you. Same with BSmith, we have worked together a lot as town, never been mafia together.

Reading anything into my reaction to the game host seems like a waste of time. I thoroughly disagreed with what happened there and thought the mod decision was completely arbitrary and unfair.

Zain was phoning it in, dunno how you can deny that, and I still thought Al Sips was town at that point.

Not sure what else you want me to explain.

You know I hate being cult.

It's not strategically correct to recruit me first. You leave me alive to draw lynches and if I don't die, then you convert me.

I feel like that's obvious, but that's where I sit.

It's beside the point, lynch Al Sipsclar today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

FWIW, I believe that if Al Sips were cult he would recruit myself and ATPG.

I don't really understand the Al Sips argument if I'm honest. Its just quoting posts and saying its scummy.

His anti-cult mindset, who he's voted, his poseur-townie behavior. The ease in clearing villagers so far.

The lack of struggle that villagers are having.

[Visor]

Matches where I am on Zain. I believe this is mafia clearing a townie.

I dont get this thought process.

He has the same thought process as you so he has to be scum.

Its like you have this idea that he is scum and are just coming up with reasons for it.

[Visor]

His anti-cult mindset, who he's voted, his poseur-townie behavior. The ease in clearing villagers so far.

The lack of struggle that villagers are having.

I don't know how you can say this, me and you are basically the only people portraying any sense of struggle. Everyone seems basically content doing nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pelican maybe?

I know he is a much bigger lurker as scum than he is town. But everybody is lurking. I guess I could vote him today.

^Still not converted then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I dont get this thought process.

He has the same thought process as you so he has to be scum.

Its like you have this idea that he is scum and are just coming up with reasons for it.

Well yes

I'm citing what I see as his scum behavior

It looks like a faked case like what scumbags do to lynch villagers but i have 8 years of being a villager that backs up the fact that this is precisely my process for how I prosecute things I find guilty.

Once I suspect someone I begin pushing them and citing what they're doing that's scummy, rather than what I do as scum which is I begin citing posts that I find "scummy" that I can eventually use to lynch them, which blends in better.

Also I do believe I'm out of here tonight because he does think I'm cult. I get to die on the town side this game which is awesome. As not-starting cult which is what they probably believe I am, I'd be vulnerable to the murder.

They have to lynch Pelican to destroy the cult, imo. They can do so, but only if they pick off the recruits by lynch or murder, to get the voting advantage they'd need.

Hence how they're behaving today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Al, then Pelican, then Jarema, then Cuth, in that order.

Technically Pelican first would prevent more recruits. But I'm most certain of Al.

You should lynch only inside of these 4 today, and it would be a really good idea for all townies to actually consolidate their votes because I'm calling out both the mafia and the cult. I need voting allies now.

[atheotes]

My thoughts...
Day 1: Dont see anything...
Day 2: GH, ATPG, Raith and Zack had 2 votes on them. Al Sips casts the deciding vote on Zack. Perhaps one of the other 3 are on his team.
GH votes for Al Sips (Distancing?)
Day 3- Visor and Al sips share some in joke. Al Sips posts a list of possible townies.Post 239 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Mafia-v-Cult-In-Play&p=2053683534&viewfull=1#post2053683534). Visor approves of it
Visor claims himself and Al Sips are town. Pizza goes hard on Visor
Day 4 - Pizza drops case on Visor. Why?
During discussion, Al Sips explains Pizza's possible strategy, Pizza agrees seemingly in jest.
Pelican votes Alsips to turn tide from Jarema - Add to general scum vibe from Pelican - Al sips and Pelican are possibly on opposite sides...
Also, Post 426 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Mafia-v-Cult-In-Play&p=2053684816&viewfull=1#post2053684816): Pizza makes a cheeky admission of following GH! Applause!

So here goes:
20 ppl - 2 bullet proof, 2 non-convertible , 2+ other roles (powers perhaps - could be mafia/cult/town)
2-4 starting mafia (2 seems low, unless a boss/apprentice kind of set up)
1-2 starting cult (I am leaning towards 2 as game can go flat if sole cultist is lynched D1)

Mafia
N1 - BSmith (town) killed
N2 - Kennigit (Cult) killed
N3 - Bullet proof? Roleblock?
N4 - GH (Cult) killed

Cult
N1 - GH converted
N2 - Visor converted
N3- Pizza converted
N4 - ?

Starting cult - Al sips and Kennigit
Possible mafia - Pelican, Jarema, ? , ?

@Pizza, I think you want Pelican to be lynched. But you are also willing to sacrifice a team mate for the win.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

[Visor]

N2 - Visor converted
N3- Pizza converted

why would we still be arguing in thread

[atheotes]

why would we still be arguing in thread

read it as a third party...Pizza went hard and then suddenly dropped it the next day. Only to resume today as an afterthought...

[Visor]

read it as a third party...Pizza went hard and then suddenly dropped it the next day. Only to resume today as an afterthought...

True enough. I think he was surprised at me town reading him.

[Pelican]

I'll say once more that I voted Al Sips simply because Al Sips is the clearest scum lead, and I'll continue to vote: Al Sips until it's proven otherwise.

Still think Raith Kimmler is on Al's team.

Jarrema as scum makes more sense in light of GH flip.

Zain maybe?

I already missed a deadline irl in part due to time spent on this game, so that's probably all you'll see from me today. It depends on how well I manage to avoid further procrastination...

[atheotes]

I'll say once more that I voted Al Sips simply because Al Sips is the clearest scum lead, and I'll continue to vote: Al Sips until it's proven otherwise.

Still think Raith Kimmler is on Al's team.

Jarrema as scum makes more sense in light of GH flip.

Zain maybe?

I already missed a deadline irl in part due to time spent on this game, so that's probably all you'll see from me today. It depends on how well I manage to avoid further procrastination...
You have voted only once against Al Sips so far...it just seems like you are looking for an easy lynch.
How are Jarema and GH related?

Seems like an useful post...something a townie would do...also he is not available to respond further...yeah right! you are innocent!!!

[Al Sipsclar]

A wall of words is incoming. Some reflections that I was having in and out of game.

His anti-cult mindset, who he's voted, his poseur-townie behavior. The ease in clearing villagers so far.

The lack of struggle that villagers are having.

Pizza, you also said that I try hard in one of the big spoilered posts. And you're right, I do try hard. Like I said already, this is my 8th game, and everything is still new and exciting. I want to put out my best game given the time and effort limits that I have for this new hobby of mine. Not everyone is a smooth-talker, it takes time for me to compose a coherent sentence, so if my posts seem awkward, that's because they are.

In my very first game (RedDwarf on CFC) I suddenly realized that actually participating in the game is much harder than just leisurely reading the thread and voting. Just coming up with an ordered list of reads is hard enough. Crystallizing impressions and gut feelings into reasons and cases is close to impossible for me. In a later game (Visor's Madness!), I tried a carefree play, and the results were disastrous - the town was utterly pwned.


Its just quoting posts and saying its scummy.

I get this a lot. I think the struggle I have playing mafia is because I don't understand and can't agree when people say some posts or players are scummy. I know that a right thing to say is that everyone is scummy, and few are the scummiest, but this is not how I feel. My approach might be wrong, but I keep looking for things that clear people and reduce the pool of lynch candidates. Otherwise, I'll be just lost in paranoia.

Since I usually come across as scummy, I even developed a silly town-tell, which works especially well on new folks who never played with me before. If they vote me, I tend to believe they are town, since scum would know that I'm innocent. That's why I think Zain and atheotes are town.

So why are you so vehemently accuse me, Pizza. We played maybe 2 games together, and you hosted one I played in. I was town in all (I was scum only once in Zack's Demon Council on CFC). So it's not like you're a clueless townie. You vote me because you're scum. Was I right about you when I said you're were converted N1 and saw through your mafia cooperation strategy? You even agreed with that, in the same way khaan agreed with GH's case against him. A funny post that atheotes dug up where you pledged your allegiance to GH.

I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm a big fan of yours, I wanted to see you play, and learn from you. But I can't play with you if you're playing against me. I don't think we're on the same team.

Unvote; Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I think we have a big problem on our hands and that problem is the cult. Pizza and Visor has been trying to deflect the attention away from cult-hunting, saying only mafia wants to destroy the cult, and I think they are guilty because of that. We've been lynching townies, all the while mafia can't swing a dead cat without hitting a cultist. The presence of the cult is polluting our reads, we can't clear townies when cult can immediately recruit them away. I'd like to see at least 4 cultists dead, if we lynch some mafiosi while hunting for the cult, it's even better, but until I see the that the cult faction is eliminated, I can't let up my cult hunting.

Pelican tripped on the same post I made, so I believe he's with Pizza. Raith's claim is easy to do for a scum and unverifiable. Cuth and Jarema might be Pizza distancing partners.

[Al Sipsclar]

My spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W4asI3zbvKjsHZOES-mYKiRePf8bfKe5c8GwVPqclEk/edit?usp=sharing
My reads coloring there is crappy because of cult paranoia I have.

[atheotes]

Interesting post by Al Sips.

Maybe i will get a reaction now...we have close to 2 hours left. It would be nice if more people show up. Many more solid lynch candidates than Cuth.
unvote; Vote: ATPG

@Visor, why are you voting for Cuth? What is best for the town at this point? Trying to lynch scum or cult? Sooh & Csargo, Perhaps there is enough material for you to revisit your vote?

[atheotes]

Anyone there?

[Visor]

vote: atpg

[El Barto]

DAY FIVE

Askthepizzaguy was lynched.

atpg: Cuthillius; Al Sipsclar; atheotes; Visorslash (4)
Cuthillius: Raith Kemmler; Sooh; Csargo (3)
Pelican: Jarema (1)
Al Sipsclar: atpg; Pelican (2)

Not voting: Choxorn; Zain; landlubber; (3)

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash
20. atheotes

It is now Night Five. It will last 24 hours. Remember to send in your Night Actions.

[atheotes]

:hide: I believed his stance shift was indicative of being recruited...
Visor why did you vote for Pizza if you believed he was townie?

[Csargo]

I thought ATPG was town. Turns out he was :shrug:
atheotes I thought Cuth was a good lynch for today. Unsure why Visor shifted to ATPG.

[Choxorn]

Visor is definitely scum

[Cuthillius]

Yes.

[Visor]

I thought ATPG was town. Turns out he was :shrug:
atheotes I thought Cuth was a good lynch for today. Unsure why Visor shifted to ATPG.

I can't really answer that. I stayed up late, got up late, thought the wagons were different.

I didn't mean to lynch him. I was just lazy and I paid the price for the mistake.

[Visor]

I don't think ATPG would mind, dying as a townie. At least he did that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

lol cult games

[Sooh]

He was way too involved to be cult or mafia in this game.

His involvement as mafia or cult looks different I think.

I believed he was town, but not strongly enough to defend him I guess.

[atheotes]

I can't really answer that. I stayed up late, got up late, thought the wagons were different.

I didn't mean to lynch him. I was just lazy and I paid the price for the mistake.


I don't think ATPG would mind, dying as a townie. At least he did that.

Is that all you can offer as your reason? :inquisitive:

[Visor]

Is that all you can offer as your reason? :inquisitive:

Yes. I made a mistake. What else do you want from me?

[El Barto]

I've fixed a slight tally mistake. atpg was lynched and revealed as town anyway.

[atheotes]

Yes. I made a mistake. What else do you want from me?
You could start with why you wanted to switch your vote

[Visor]

You could start with why you wanted to switch your vote

Because I thought al sips was town and I wanted to show that I thought that.

I didn't know the tally

[Sooh]

Because I thought al sips was town and I wanted to show that I thought that.

I didn't know the tally

You showed Al Sips that you thought he was town by voting Pizza?

Crazy enough that it might be townie.

[El Barto]

NIGHT FIVE

Visorslash was found dead.

He was town!

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Day Six. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes.

[Sooh]

*giggle*

[El Barto]

Because I thought al sips was town and I wanted to show that I thought that.

I didn't know the tally
*whispers* Ssshhh! You're supposed to be dead! Back into the grave, and I'll bring you a choklit bikkit if you do.

[Sooh]

You pacify ghosts with chocolate ?

That would work on me actually. As a ghost or not.

I'm going back to Vote: Cuthilius

[El Barto]

Choklit works on boggarts, ghosts and other dangerous creatures from Down Under. I haven't tested it on drop bears yet.

[Pelican]

Hmm ok, well that last post from Al yesterday plus some reflection on past games where tunneling has been a huge problem for me mean I'm going to at least consider some other angles for now. I'm going to start with vote: Choxorn as an immediate hunch and see where my thoughts go as I look at a couple of things from yesterday again...

[Raith Kemmler]

Kill Cuth

Sorry for being so uninvolved, I've been swamped with crap.

[Csargo]

lol wut?

[Al Sipsclar]

Kill Cuth

Sorry for being so uninvolved, I've been swamped with crap.

Was this supposed to go in a QuickTopic?

Raith, I don't think your claim makes sense as town not under any pressure. Any scum can truthfully make the same claim. Vote: Raith Kemmler.

[atheotes]

:dizzy2: What? Visor is dead...and he is also town? Thanks for not wasting a day i guess...
All my so called analysis has been reduced to babbling. Need to start again.

[atheotes]

Kill Cuth

Sorry for being so uninvolved, I've been swamped with crap.

:2thumbsup:

[Al Sipsclar]

Hmm ok, well that last post from Al yesterday plus some reflection on past games where tunneling has been a huge problem for me mean I'm going to at least consider some other angles for now. I'm going to start with vote: Choxorn as an immediate hunch and see where my thoughts go as I look at a couple of things from yesterday again...

All the contribution in the thread from Choxorn has been the tunneling on Visor. I can get behind this vote.

Pelican, what do you think of Raith's claim?

[Sooh]

Raith's claim? Are we calling it a claim now?

[atheotes]

Hmm ok, well that last post from Al yesterday plus some reflection on past games where tunneling has been a huge problem for me mean I'm going to at least consider some other angles for now. I'm going to start with vote: Choxorn as an immediate hunch and see where my thoughts go as I look at a couple of things from yesterday again...

You still have not responded to my query even though you have been here yesterday and today. I think you are using RL as an excuse to just remain seemingly active and but posting basrely enough to stay under the radar. I still believe you are scum. I am willing to listen though
Vote: Pelican

[Cuthillius]

Sooh and Raith.

vote:Sooh

pretty sure about this one, now

[Sooh]

Sooh and Raith.

vote:Sooh

pretty sure about this one, nowOki? OMGUS much?

[Cuthillius]

Oki? OMGUS much?

No.

[Sooh]

No.
Then what is it? You're suspecting the two people voting you.

[Cuthillius]

Raith's post was... strange. In a strange way. You I've planned to attack today anyway. I find you suspicious

first question: what was up with the "*giggles*" after the reveal?

[Jarema]

I think (or rather feel) that Sooh is town now.

Cuthillius and Pelican are possible targets for my vote. I can go either way.
For now, I will vote: Cuthillius. Similar to Sooh, I see his actions are overly defensive

[Sooh]

Raith's post was... strange. In a strange way. You I've planned to attack today anyway. I find you suspicious

first question: what was up with the "*giggles*" after the reveal?
Last post before the reveal:

You showed Al Sips that you thought he was town by voting Pizza?

Crazy enough that it might be townie.

Reveal: Visor died as townie

Reaction: *giggles*

I was just happy that I read him right.

[Cuthillius]

That is a strange reaction, imo, but hey.

I'm mostly voting you because you've been quiet in a certain way, also unsure of the way you defended pizza

[Sooh]

That is a strange reaction, imo, but hey.

I'm mostly voting you because you've been quiet in a certain way, also unsure of the way you defended pizza

You're right. I have been quiet. I'm sure you don't want any excuses.
As for my defending him, I'm becoming better at reading him because we've played together quite a lot lately and he has let me in on a lot of his process (not about this game of course since we're both playing). By all means though, keep your vote if you're suspecting me.

[atheotes]

Tally so far:
Cuth - 2 (Sooh, Jarema)
Choxorn - 1 (Pelican)
Sooh - 1(Cuth)
Pelican-1 (Atheotes)

This is not good. We need to be more active as we may not be the majority faction for long...maybe even now. Need to start lynching the right people.
Raith, Csargo and Al sips have showed up but not yet voted. Why?
Rest have not even showed up!
No one is being put under pressure...no reactions...:no:
Atleast give me one vote on Pelican, so that he feels the need to respond.

[Jarema]

well well

it seems that my vote is the decisive one for now :laugh4:

as I have no strong preference, I can as well move my vote and wait for reaction.
Vote: Pelican

[Al Sipsclar]

Raith's claim? Are we calling it a claim now?

Raith's unconvertible claim in #436 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Mafia-v-Cult-In-Play&p=2053684871&viewfull=1#post2053684871). I'm surprised you missed it.

[atheotes]

well well

it seems that my vote is the decisive one for now :laugh4:

as I have no strong preference, I can as well move my vote and wait for reaction.
Vote: Pelican
:inquisitive: This would be a smart play if you are both on the same team, as i suspect.

Need the rest of the people to show up! My fear is that this could be the last chance for us.

[Al Sipsclar]

Raith, Csargo and Al sips have showed up but not yet voted. Why?


I've voted, and you're missing my vote in your tally.

[atheotes]

I've voted, and you're missing my vote in your tally.

Sorry about that.
Tally so far:
Cuth - 1 (Sooh)
Raith - 1 (Al Sips)
Choxorn - 1 (Pelican)
Sooh - 1(Cuth)
Pelican-2 (atheotes, Jarema)

Al Sipsclar, Why do you not trust Raith's claim? he claimed quite sometime ago and you never thought it was scummy before now? Seems convenient.

[Al Sipsclar]

Al Sipsclar, Why do you not trust Raith's claim? he claimed quite sometime ago and you never thought it was scummy before now? Seems convenient.

I did voice my opinion about Raith's claim before:




I don't get why he claims right now either way though. It certainly doesn't help us beat cult if it's true, since it reduces the risk of their wasting a conversion on Raith.


Exactly. Why claim when you could attract a night visit from the cult.




Pelican tripped on the same post I made, so I believe he's with Pizza. Raith's claim is easy to do for a scum and unverifiable. Cuth and Jarema might be Pizza distancing partners.

[Sooh]

Raith's unconvertible claim in #436 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Mafia-v-Cult-In-Play&p=2053684871&viewfull=1#post2053684871). I'm surprised you missed it.

I did miss that one. I thought you were referring to him voting by saying "kill" instead of "vote" in #578 and asking if he meant it to go into a QT.

[atheotes]

I did voice my opinion about Raith's claim before:

fair enough. I would have thought a vote against him immediately would have been a stronger way to indicate your suspicion. Perhaps not your choice.

Don't you think a single vote one someone in such a crucial phase is a waste? Since your case is not being supported by anyone, dont you think it is necessary to find alternate cases/suspects?

[Raith Kemmler]

Raith's post was... strange. In a strange way. You I've planned to attack today anyway. I find you suspicious


All of this is vague and uninformative. You're far more close mouthed and assumptive than you were in Snake cult. You pressed people a lot there, and kept pushing. It's all nothing but clipped opinions now. You're scum.


Was this supposed to go in a QuickTopic?

Raith, I don't think your claim makes sense as town not under any pressure. Any scum can truthfully make the same claim. Vote: Raith Kemmler.

So Pizza was right about Al too. Cool.

For the record, I haven't kept a good eye on this game and feel guilty about activity here and completely missing the mansion game. All of Pizza's we need more people posting. So I would like to apologize for that. If that looks not town, meh.

[Raith Kemmler]

Oh. I typed kill instead of vote.

Not my proudest moment.

After you lynch me, kill Cuth and Al please. Seriously.

[Raith Kemmler]

Vote: Cuth. Oi.

[Cuthillius]

You're scum.

I'm not, I'm just not paying as much attention to this game. Which is bad, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

[Raith Kemmler]

I'm not, I'm just not paying as much attention to this game. Which is bad, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

You know what? Sure. I can understand that.

Let's lynch Al or Pelican then.

unvote
Vote: Pelican

[Al Sipsclar]

Half of the thread is awol, the other half is not paying any attention. Pretty pathetic.
Unvote; Vote: Pelican

[Cuthillius]

Why Pelican?

[El Barto]

DAY SIX

Pelican was lynched.

Cuthillius: Sooh (1)
Choxorn: Pelican (1)
Pelican: atheotes; Jarema; Raith Kemmler; Al Sipsclar (4)
Sooh: Cuthillius (1)

Not voting: Csargo 1×; Choxorn, Zain, landlubber 2× (4)

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zain
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Night Six. It will last 48 hours. Remember to send in your Night Actions.


GM's note: this night's length is doubled because of RL circumstances and also because replacements will be found for some or all of those people who don't vote or post, namely Choxorn, Zain, and landlubber

[Visor]

El Barto

if you need a replacement and dont mind dead townie

[El Barto]

Erm, Zack has priority but I have three people on target so I'll take it into account.

btw shouldn't we discuss this kind of thing in the signups thread?

[Askthepizzaguy]

*dead*

lolololol nailed Pelican as cult at least

*dead*

[El Barto]

*gives askthepizzaguy a choklit bikkit and promises to make Sooh stop giving him hotdogs if he insists on posting from the grave*

[atheotes]

Just as i deduced! He is scum! :creep:

[Visor]

*gives askthepizzaguy a choklit bikkit and promises to make Sooh stop giving him hotdogs if he insists on posting from the grave*

***dead***

pretty sure atpg is the one giving hotdogs

***dead***

[Choxorn]

GM's note: this night's length is doubled because of RL circumstances and also because replacements will be found for some or all of those people who don't vote or post, namely Choxorn, Zain, and landlubber

I'm still here, the crazy finish in ATPG's game just made me forget about this one for a bit.

[Cuthillius]

You know what? Sure. I can understand that.

Let's lynch Al or Pelican then.

unvote
Vote: Pelican

I think scum never does this, ftr

[landlubber]

I'm here too. I'll try and be present for the rest of the game.

[El Barto]

I'm still here, the crazy finish in ATPG's game just made me forget about this one for a bit.

I'm here too. I'll try and be present for the rest of the game.
OK, I won't replace you two yet, but Zain will be replaced by Zack. He's absent from his own game as well as this one.

[El Barto]

NIGHT SIX

Csargo was killed.
He was Town!

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zack II
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Day Seven. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes.


GM's note: Zain is replaced by Zack.

[Zack]

Vote: Raith Kemmler

how the hell have you not been lynched yet? scummy mcscummerpants

[atheotes]

Vote: Raith Kemmler

how the hell have you not been lynched yet? scummy mcscummerpants

Why Raith?

[atheotes]

I did not believe you were scum. Then...

Why Pelican?
Vote: Cuth

[Choxorn]

I'm with you on that one.

Vote: Cuthillius

[Cuthillius]

I did not believe you were scum. Then...

Vote: Cuth

Not protest against, i just want people to explain why they're voting.
Zack Raith is almost very likely town for that read change on me

or epic pocket dunno

[Al Sipsclar]

Pelican casually voted landlubber D1 and D3. Distancing?
Vote: landlubber

[atheotes]

I'm with you on that one.

Vote: Cuthillius

Sure enough...very quick to bite. This is what you have done all game. Voting for the sake of voting.
unvote; Vote: Choxorn

[Cuthillius]

Pelican casually voted landlubber D1 and D3. Distancing?
Vote: landlubber

Um, was Pelican necessarily cult on D1? Or d3 for that matter?

Or does him being underlined mean he's cult leader?

[Sooh]

Pelican casually voted landlubber D1 and D3. Distancing?
Vote: landlubberStill hunting cult and not mafia? Why? You mafia?

Vote: Al Sips

[Raith Kemmler]

Still hunting cult and not mafia? Why? You mafia?

Vote: Al Sips

I second this. 9 players left and no mafia flipped. 'Allying' made some sense in the early running, but at this point the cult needs to be placed as a secondary consideration for a bit. We're at lose/lynch if it's a four-man. I'm hoping and thinking a 3, but can't be sure of that.

Vote: Al Sips, unless we get a better mafia lean.

[Cuthillius]

Yeah, I'm okay with this.

Vote:Sips

[atheotes]

Um, was Pelican necessarily cult on D1? Or d3 for that matter?

Or does him being underlined mean he's cult leader?

I am not reading the underlining of Pelican as cultist to mean that he is the Cult leader. There is absolutely no reason for the host to do that instead of just identifying him as the cult leader.

[atheotes]

Vote: Raith Kemmler

how the hell have you not been lynched yet? scummy mcscummerpants


Why Raith?

Zack you still have not made your case on Raith.

[atheotes]

Vote: Raith Kemmler

how the hell have you not been lynched yet? scummy mcscummerpants


I second this. 9 players left and no mafia flipped. 'Allying' made some sense in the early running, but at this point the cult needs to be placed as a secondary consideration for a bit. We're at lose/lynch if it's a four-man. I'm hoping and thinking a 3, but can't be sure of that.

Vote: Al Sips, unless we get a better mafia lean.

I did not think there was any conscious allying. We are only speculating about the starting number of mafia, cult and the recruitment ability of the cult. Anyways, I am not sure i can differentiate between "cult" behavior and "mafia" behavior. So i will continue looking for scummy behavior in general.
the majority of people still alive are just posting a vote and disappearing, which i normally associate with scum flying under the radar. I have way too many suspects and no way to get them talking.
So the only thing i am sure of right now, is that we have to make a decisive vote.
unvote; vote: Al sips

[Al Sipsclar]

I think I've found the mafia: they are all on my wagon! Except Sooh, who is cult. LL is the cult leader, then.

I've already explained why I'm hunting cult. I also said that I wouldn't stop until I saw at least 4 dead cultists. We have only three and no indication that the cult is eliminated. Don't forget, they can recruit every night, and we had 6 nights. Also, it's not like we have a dead mafioso (yet!) whose vote record we can analyze. If you have better ideas, I'm listening.

Anyhow, I see that cult hunting is being frowned upon, so I'm not voting Sooh (yet). I already said yesterday what I thought about Raith. I still think that Cuth is town. So I Unvote; Vote:atheotes for being the laziest on my wagon.

[atheotes]

I think I've found the mafia: they are all on my wagon! Except Sooh, who is cult. LL is the cult leader, then.

I've already explained why I'm hunting cult. I also said that I wouldn't stop until I saw at least 4 dead cultists. We have only three and no indication that the cult is eliminated. Don't forget, they can recruit every night, and we had 6 nights. Also, it's not like we have a dead mafioso (yet!) whose vote record we can analyze. If you have better ideas, I'm listening.

Anyhow, I see that cult hunting is being frowned upon, so I'm not voting Sooh (yet). I already said yesterday what I thought about Raith. I still think that Cuth is town. So I Unvote; Vote:atheotes for being the laziest on my wagon.

Lazy? I have already voted for you previously after making a case. Sure, i did lower my suspicion about you previously but not to the extent to believe you are town.
I have stated my reason for voting you, even though you are not my first choice. I will vote with people who i believe to be town because the voting needs to be decisive. With a few people not showing up, it is the only option.
Actually, your vote is more shifty because, your stated opinion about Raith is that his claim is scummy. So why are you not voting for him?

[Al Sipsclar]

Deflecting much, are we? gn

[atheotes]

Deflecting much, are we? gn

I asked you in all sincerity. You have got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Based on your previous stance, Why are you not voting for Raith?

[Raith Kemmler]

I did not think there was any conscious allying. [/B]

Pizza prioritized hunting cult early, which painted some of the reads and target priority, at least for me.


Anyways, I am not sure i can differentiate between "cult" behavior and "mafia" behavior. So i will continue looking for scummy behavior in general.

Sounds like a plan.


I think I've found the mafia: they are all on my wagon! Except Sooh, who is cult. LL is the cult leader, then.
.

You're gonna to have to do better than this. Unless sarcasm? The scum are all on my wagon? Who are you convincing? The town conspiracist?



I've already explained why I'm hunting cult. I also said that I wouldn't stop until I saw at least 4 dead cultists.

Set plans with no flex is anti-town. We might brushing near lose or lynch. You don't see bothered at all by this possibility. Very single minded.


We have only three and no indication that the cult is eliminated. Don't forget, they can recruit every night, and we had 6 nights.

Not everyone can be recruited. Even if you don't like my claim, you have to think there'd be something to keep the cult from infesting everything. Some balance where if the mafia dunked first, town still had a chance.


Also, it's not like we have a dead mafioso (yet!) whose vote record we can analyze. If you have better ideas, I'm listening.


This is mafia. Drop dead mafia.

1. Restate obvious fact we all know.

2. Asks open leading question. A question with a super vague qualifier.

3. Remark is based on poppycock premise. Of course no mafia have flipped. You know what? That doesn't matter. There's been a lot of days at this point for tone and interaction reads. Mine are all crap for the first days because of the quote mining, but we've got something from the rest.

4. And we have to start somewhere. We have to kill a first mafia to win. Your question is based on a mafia premise of, well we can't hunt mafia yet because they aren't any to go on.

5. You've been read by confirmed towns as suspect. Who have shown decent reads in the game.


Deflecting much, are we?

I smell the anxiety. Like pineapple.

[El Barto]

DAY SEVEN

Al Sipsclar was lynched. He was mafia!
Raith Kemmler: Zack II (1)
Cuthillius: Choxorn (1)
Al Sipsclar: Sooh; Raith Kemmler; Cuthillius; atheotes (4)
atheotes: Al Sipsclar (1)

not voting: Jarema; landlubber 3× (2)

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zack II
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar†, lynched Day Seven, MAFIA.
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Night Seven. It will last 24 hours. Remember to send in your night actions!


landlubber: should I just replace you?

[Zack]

It is now Day Seven?

[El Barto]

Erm, no, it's night. I just fixed it. :quiet:

[Al Sipsclar]

Gaah! Zombie cultists are everywhere! You're all doomed!:hanged:

[El Barto]

*hands Al a chocolate biscuit*

[El Barto]

NIGHT SEVEN

Sooh was found dead.

She was a Cultist!

List of players


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zack II
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
10. landlubber
11. Al Sipsclar†, lynched Day Seven, MAFIA.
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh†, killed Night Seven, CULTIST.
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Day Eight. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes.

[Zack]

Sooh and Pelican underlined?

[Cuthillius]

Told ya.

We're lynching vote:Zack today, I think.

Between him and chox. Atheotes is clear for the push, Raith is clear for many things.

Clear=not mafia

[El Barto]

Visorslash: can you replace landlubber?

[Zack]

Vote: Cuthillius

You smelly cultist. Mad that your conversion attempt failed? This agnostic despises the Hare Krishna. You are Paul Kinsey and I am Harry Crane (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eygszIuBedQ).

[Zack]

Okay, that clip isn't quite what I expected. But in the episode, Harry is clear that he thinks the cultists are crazy.

[Visor]

Visorslash: can you replace landlubber?

yes

[Zack]

can't wait to hear visor comment on al being lock clear because of the block

[El Barto]

Visorslash replaces landlubber

New player list:


1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zack II
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
10. Visorslash II
11. Al Sipsclar†, lynched Day Seven, MAFIA.
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh†, killed Night Seven, CULTIST.
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

[Visor]

can't wait to hear visor comment on al being lock clear because of the block

lickitty lack

[atheotes]

Good couple of phases.
Could the 2 underlined cultists be the starting cultist? I had Sooh pegged as town! :shame:


Vote: Cuthillius

You smelly cultist. Mad that your conversion attempt failed? This agnostic despises the Hare Krishna. You are Paul Kinsey and I am Harry Crane (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eygszIuBedQ).

Zack, What is this failed attempt you are talking about? Its a scummy soft claim.
you did not respond to my question yesterday about your vote on Raith. Now you are voting Cuth. Why him?
You were active after i questioned you and yet did not bother to respond.
Same with Choxorn. He was also active but did not care to respond. Both scummy behavior in my eyes.

[Zack]

It should be obvious what I am claiming.

[Zack]

Oh, and if you check the first post, pelican and sooh are both listed as "cult leaders"

[Cuthillius]

How am I cultist?

I tried to get Sooh lynched for being cult a couple of days ago.

That aside, mafia is first priority. Given the size of the game, I'm assuming three-four mafia, which would always have, oh, you and choxorn.

Game. Is. Up. Scum.

[Zack]

how is mafia ever first priority in a cult game? cult has had seven nights to convert

scum bus each other all the damn time, especially cultists where they can just recruit replacements

[Zack]

I assume cultists will try to lynch un-recruitable townies, since they have no other method of dealing with them

which lynches did cultists try to push

[Zack]

also you conveniently left out the part where you broke a tie back on d4 to SAVE A CULT LEADER

[Zack]

and, lmao, you "pushed" sooh on the day pelican (a cult leader) was lynched. yeah, hardly clearing stuff

you are cult cuth

[Zack]

as for raith, supposedly mr. townie himself

his posts all game have been scummy, Zack I commented on this

why haven't the mafia killed him? why haven't cult tried to go after him?

[Zack]

where the hell is visor

[Visor]

where the hell is visor

asleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

vote: cuth

[Zack]

visor do you have reads

[Zack]

damn, everyone must be positively gobsmacked by the breakdown I just gave

[Visor]

visor do you have reads

No not really, I stopped following a bit ago.

I am pretty sure Cuth is scum of some description. Simple his tone and demeanour seem like some sort of weak replication of his town game.

[Cuthillius]

how is mafia ever first priority in a cult game? cult has had seven nights to convert

scum bus each other all the damn time, especially cultists where they can just recruit replacements

Beeeecause it's playing right into your hands if we do go after the cult the next few days?

Furthermore, I'm amazed at the number of NKs you've been making that have been hitting cult.

[Cuthillius]

and, lmao, you "pushed" sooh on the day pelican (a cult leader) was lynched. yeah, hardly clearing stuff

you are cult cuth

yes because I couldn't get her lynched

i have actually kind of been hoping i'd be recruited as part of the cult, but no luck on that yet.

[Cuthillius]

Also hardclaim doc vote:visorslash because that's kind of lazy and pitiful and i'm almost certain you're one of the damn alignments and I don't actually care that much which it is at this point.

Other people please show up. The game isn't over and I'd rather it doesn't get royally screwed over just because everyone gives up on it except scum and cult.

[Zack]

Beeeecause it's playing right into your hands if we do go after the cult the next few days?
Yeah it does play into the town's hands.


Furthermore, I'm amazed at the number of NKs you've been making that have been hitting cult.
lmao you're amazed at that big ol zero? sounds like you're patting yourself on the back for a job well done.

who have you protected with your fake medical degree

[Visor]

Also hardclaim doc vote:visorslash because that's kind of lazy and pitiful and i'm almost certain you're one of the damn alignments and I don't actually care that much which it is at this point.

Other people please show up. The game isn't over and I'd rather it doesn't get royally screwed over just because everyone gives up on it except scum and cult.

Why the hell would you hardclaim doc halfway through a phase with only two votes on you

who have you protected? got a list?

[Visor]

Also hardclaim doc vote:visorslash because that's kind of lazy and pitiful and i'm almost certain you're one of the damn alignments and I don't actually care that much which it is at this point.

Other people please show up. The game isn't over and I'd rather it doesn't get royally screwed over just because everyone gives up on it except scum and cult.

How is it lazy and pitiful? your play is nothing like the rappers game

you are scum lol

[Visor]

your town play is soft and waffely

you havent been either this game

[Cuthillius]

your town play is soft and waffely

you havent been either this game

Not always, I purposefully vary it so that it's near my scum meta at times.

Also there haven't been enough posts to be soft and waffly

[Cuthillius]

How is it lazy and pitiful? your play is nothing like the rappers game

you are scum lol

Maybe that's because I've not been paying much attention to this game.

[Cuthillius]

I'm claiming because at this point it's silly. People need to start paying attention and actually reading what the two of you are talking about. Activity is low, and if we coast through the whole <emphasis> phase and lynch the town doc on sketchy arguments by more sketchy people after a large amount of activity the phases before I am going to be pretty <emphasis> annoyed.

Also it makes it more clear that I am not fakeclaiming under pressure and hopefully gets peoples' attention.

[Zack]

how are you not claiming under pressure? no claim until you had two votes on you

give a list of your night targets

[Visor]

We need a list of targets mate

[Zack]

takes time to fabricate these things

[Visor]

if you are actually a doctor, this has been the worst claim of all time

well, second worst, the doctor in the SW game on MU was actually worse

if you claim a role that targets people, you need to give a list of targets lol

the fact that you claimed doctor and then just told us to get off you without any night actions from yourself listed

thats gotta be outting

and if its not you're gonna have to explain to me your thought process

[Visor]

Also hardclaim doc vote:visorslash because that's kind of lazy and pitiful and i'm almost certain you're one of the damn alignments and I don't actually care that much which it is at this point.

Other people please show up. The game isn't over and I'd rather it doesn't get royally screwed over just because everyone gives up on it except scum and cult.


this was posted at 1:50 PM

takes time to fabricate these things

lol, exactly what i was thinking

he psoted at 2:05PM 15 minutes after the claim with no night actions

it is now 2:30Pm with no hint of night actions

[Choxorn]

Vote: Cuthillius, because he's clearly full of it.

[Visor]

1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema
8. Zack II
10. Visorslash
15. Cuthillius
20. atheotes

16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh†, killed Night Seven, CULTIST.
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
11. Al Sipsclar†, lynched Day Seven, MAFIA.
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy† lynched Day Five, TOWN.
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.

So 7 people left. Probably 2 mafia.

Gonna do some rereading.

[Visor]

Raith Kemmler has claimed immune to cult IIRC, I think Zack has too.

Has ANYONE ELSE claimed this?

Has anyone claimed NK proof?

[Jarema]

vote: Cuthillius, he seems pretty scummy

I dont know if claiming immunity is good sign

[atheotes]

Oh, and if you check the first post, pelican and Sooh are both listed as "cult leaders"

Thanks for pointing that out. I never bothered to check the first post. I am just wondering if both of them were cult leaders to start with or did Sooh become cult leader after the death of Pelican? Can only cult leader recruit?




Maybe that's because I've not been paying much attention to this game.

that is not true. You have been fairly active throughout the game...avoiding the lynch a few times. This post combined with your refusal to provide night actions are pretty scummy.

Vote: Cuth


Raith Kemmler has claimed immune to cult IIRC, I think Zack has too.

Has ANYONE ELSE claimed this?

Has anyone claimed NK proof?

Why are you fishing for roles?

I still dont like the way Choxorn is behaving. He is just making a vote everyday without any substantiation or response to questions. Anyone else bothered by this?

[Jarema]

Thanks for pointing that out. I never bothered to check the first post. I am just wondering if both of them were cult leaders to start with or did Sooh become cult leader after the death of Pelican? Can only cult leader recruit?

good question.
Standard mechanic is that there is only one cult leader, only he/she can recruit, and all cult members die when he/she dies.

Some of my previous thoughts were based on assumption that cult members will fervently defend their leader, because his/her lynch equals their doom. But it seems that is not truth. I wonder what host did to balance such powerful cult version.

[Visor]

Why are you fishing for roles?

Because if we can clear people that lowers the POE.

[Visor]

Vote: Jarrema

Cuth is probably a cultist and you are probably mafia.

[Visor]

I don't know if that makes sense, but I have a scum read on jarrema anyway.

[atheotes]

Because if we can clear people that lowers the POE.

You cannot verify anyone's claim. This information is more useful for the scum teams!

[atheotes]

Zack, You still haven't explained why you dropped your suspicion of Raith.
Unvote; Vote: Zack

[atheotes]

Where is Raith?

[Cuthillius]

I think the first day I did pizza, the second day I missed, the third I did Sooh, maybe? Last two phases I definitely did Raith Kemmler. I'll check

And my goodness don't accuse me of "refusing to respond" when it's not like I've made a ton of other posts since then.

[Cuthillius]

I don't appear to have anything in Sent Items, is that a forum thing?

[Cuthillius]

Look at the thread. Zack and Visor are calling me different alignments and getting annoyed at me because I'm hunting the wrong one, but not going after each other at all. Does that mean anything to you?

[Raith Kemmler]

Told ya.

We're lynching vote:Zack today, I think.

Between him and chox. Atheotes is clear for the push, Raith is clear for many things.

Chox is dirty yeah. And I'm liking Atheotes. Not sure what to make of Zack's claim.


Oh, and if you check the first post, pelican and sooh are both listed as "cult leaders"

2 cult leaders? What the hell did we walk into?


I assume cultists will try to lynch un-recruitable townies, since they have no other method of dealing with them

which lynches did cultists try to push

That question is kind of hard to answer, unless anyone has any idea what the recruitment order was. Especially with 2 leaders.

[Raith Kemmler]

Where is Raith?

I'm here now. Busy yesterday.


Raith Kemmler has claimed immune to cult IIRC, I think Zack has too.

Has ANYONE ELSE claimed this?

Has anyone claimed NK proof?

Claiming NK proof is a bad idea unless you're about to be lynched. (in this game, that means giving everyone 6-12 hours to get off your wagon) The mafia avoid killing you and the cult gets a shield against the mafia.


as for raith, supposedly mr. townie himself

his posts all game have been scummy, Zack I commented on this

why haven't the mafia killed him? why haven't cult tried to go after him?

The cult might have for all I know, but it's pointless thanks to immunity. And I can't really be cult based on that argument, unless I'm cult leader #3 in this crazy religious war. Otherwise my behavior wouldn't be scummy all game.

I could be mafia based on that, but somehow I think I overbussed Al if that's the case. Either way, lynching me is only a decent idea if we fail to flip another evil player in the next phase or so. Why haven't the mafia killed me? Because my scummy posting and my mistype make me a super easy town lynch for starters.

[Zack]

good question.
Standard mechanic is that there is only one cult leader, only he/she can recruit, and all cult members die when he/she dies.

Some of my previous thoughts were based on assumption that cult members will fervently defend their leader, because his/her lynch equals their doom. But it seems that is not truth. I wonder what host did to balance such powerful cult version.
I assume one became the mantle passed to a new leader after the OG died.


Zack, You still haven't explained why you dropped your suspicion of Raith.
Unvote; Vote: Zack
Um, I didn't drop it. What are you talking about? Cuth is a better suspect so I'm voting him.


Look at the thread. Zack and Visor are calling me different alignments and getting annoyed at me because I'm hunting the wrong one, but not going after each other at all. Does that mean anything to you?
Nope.


Chox is dirty yeah. And I'm liking Atheotes. Not sure what to make of Zack's claim.
yeah raith is probably scum, I don't think he is actually an unconvertible townie. Probably skirting a line to really go into the why.


2 cult leaders? What the hell did we walk into?



That question is kind of hard to answer, unless anyone has any idea what the recruitment order was. Especially with 2 leaders.
Make a vote scummo.

(ftr when i say "scum" i'm not referring to a specific alignment of mafia or cult)

[Zack]

lol at cuth's list of night actions. afraid of a tracker calling you out?


The cult might have for all I know, but it's pointless thanks to immunity. And I can't really be cult based on that argument, unless I'm cult leader #3 in this crazy religious war. Otherwise my behavior wouldn't be scummy all game.
we get there are TWO LEADERS OOOH SCARY, you don't have to keep pointing it out. Weird that you keep harping on it.

I don't think I ever specified I was accusing you of being cult, so Idk why that's what you're focusing on.


I could be mafia based on that, but somehow I think I overbussed Al if that's the case. Either way, lynching me is only a decent idea if we fail to flip another evil player in the next phase or so.
If you're unconvertible townie, why would lynching you ever be a good idea?

And bussing exists, it does not prove anything.


Why haven't the mafia killed me? Because my scummy posting and my mistype make me a super easy town lynch for starters.
Tell that to your fan club who keeps creaming themselves over how cleared you are. Kind of a strange answer, since if you really aren't mafia I'd assume the mafia left you alive since you're (supposedly) an anti-cult role, and they've been gung ho about killing off the cult. Not because you're lynch bait, because you aren't.

[Raith Kemmler]

1. Raith Kemmler- Yeah no. Try harder Zack. Your arguments are pretty awful.
2. Choxorn- The stinker this game. Mafia.
3. Jarema- The other Sir-not-appearing this game. Mafia.
8. Zack II- Mafia 3. No way Zack isn't evil, and he really doesn't look like cult.

If one of these guys isn't mafia, it's Jarema.
10. Visorslash- Maybe town. Not mafia.
15. Cuthillius- Doctor claim. Don't care to bother here till tomorrow.
20. atheotes- The towniest of town.

Vote: Zack

[Zack]

and btw all of you are suspicious on some level

it's particularly ridiculous to clear people in a cult game

[Zack]

1. Raith Kemmler- Yeah no. Try harder Zack. Your arguments are pretty awful.
2. Choxorn- The stinker this game. Mafia.
3. Jarema- The other Sir-not-appearing this game. Mafia.
8. Zack II- Mafia 3. No way Zack isn't evil, and he really doesn't look like cult.

If one of these guys isn't mafia, it's Jarema.
10. Visorslash- Maybe town. Not mafia.
15. Cuthillius- Doctor claim. Don't care to bother here till tomorrow.
20. atheotes- The towniest of town.

Vote: Zack
You are not unconvertible town. You and atheotes can go shove this stupid wagon up your collective bumholes. It is a distraction. Neither of you have made a case why I'm scum. YOUR arguments are pretty awful scummo.

[Zack]

Let me repeat that for a third time, with emphasis.

I am a townie who cannot be converted.

Raith Kemmler is NOT an unconvertible townie. He is lying.

[Raith Kemmler]

we get there are TWO LEADERS OOOH SCARY, you don't have to keep pointing it out. Weird that you keep harping on it.

It's my first game with a cult. Lighten up man.



I don't think I ever specified I was accusing you of being cult, so Idk why that's what you're focusing on..

You were pretty muddy with your accusation, so I covered both bases. Also, you're starting to skirt now around actual content.


And bussing exists, it does not prove anything.

Kind of does here. The mafia have to shoot the cult to keep them down and try to lynch them in the thread. Hard bussing is a bad idea currently. I bagged the first mafia. Does that clear me? Hell no. But I'm a weird as hell push for the phase after I actually was on the wagon that got one of them. The timing is all off for bussing, and your universalist statement ignores the context.


I'd assume the mafia left you alive since you're (supposedly) an anti-cult role, and they've been gung ho about killing off the cult. Not because you're lynch bait, because you aren't

A good mafia team does both, they would keep me alive to hedge the cult, and paint me guilty so they can lynch me later when cult is done You're pushing but not voting for me fits that picture like a glove. Or whatever mixed metaphor ya want.

[Zack]

Raith how do you know the number of mafia?

[Zack]

and cuth, you protected sooh? Thought you and her were always pushing each others' lynch? What happened there?

[Zack]

I think raith/atheotes/cuth are actually the scum team, and the cult might be gone. They are trying to push me, as mislynching me will seal the game for them numbers-wise.

SCUM: cuth, raith, atheotes

TOWN: zack, visor, jarrema, choxorn

[Zack]

explains why sooh was pushing cuth - they failed to convert him because he's mafia

honestly there could still be a cultist out there though. gah

[Raith Kemmler]

Raith how do you know the number of mafia?

I don't. I'm guessing based on a worst case scenario.


and cuth, you protected sooh? Thought you and her were always pushing each others' lynch? What happened there?

I'd also like this answered, actually.


I think raith/atheotes/cuth are actually the scum team, and the cult might be gone. They are trying to push me, as mislynching me will seal the game for them numbers-wise.

SCUM: cuth, raith, atheotes

TOWN: zack, visor, jarrema, choxorn

Yeah no. Cuth I can see, but in no world is Atheo mafia.

Zack's wriggling a hell of a lot, and claiming Chox and Jarema as clean is just bizarre.

Hmmm. Actually I'm curious about something.

Can I ask a question based on our role pms? Something Zack would know if he were unconvertible? Was that banned in the rules? I don't see it in the first post, but I need to ask as it's frequently forbidden.

[Zack]

Kind of does here. The mafia have to shoot the cult to keep them down and try to lynch them in the thread. Hard bussing is a bad idea currently. I bagged the first mafia. Does that clear me? Hell no. But I'm a weird as hell push for the phase after I actually was on the wagon that got one of them. The timing is all off for bussing, and your universalist statement ignores the context.
no no no

claiming credit like this is classic bussing

ATPG fingered Al Sipsclar days ago, and it took a long time for him to actually get lynched

[Zack]

You already failed the "something raith would know if he was unconvertible" test. Or else you would know I am telling the truth about my role. I waited to see how you would respond to my claim, and you failed the test.

[Zack]

I could see a jarrema/choxorn/visor scum team, but it seems unlikely. Raith and Cuth I'm pretty sure are mafia, and atheotes is the most logical third member. I was assuming there were only 3 mafia in the game until raith's post where he slipped that the mafia actually have 4 members.

[Zack]

I'm interested in seeing Visor's analysis when he finishes his re-read. I don't have the time atm for such an endeavor, and I wasn't paying super close attention to the thread while I was out.

[Raith Kemmler]

Oh I noticed your Hare Krishna thing. I'm just kind of paranoid about whether you're plucking that from a previous role.

But I think I'd like to play this a different way then.

So Zack, where will you go when you die?

What makes you something other than an unremarkable townie?

Is it your skepticism?

The fact that you're an agnostic?

Still think I'm evil?

[Zack]

Unvote

[atheotes]

Vote: Cuthillius

You smelly cultist. Mad that your conversion attempt failed? This agnostic despises the Hare Krishna. You are Paul Kinsey and I am Harry Crane (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eygszIuBedQ).


I assume one became the mantle passed to a new leader after the OG died.


Um, I didn't drop it. What are you talking about? Cuth is a better suspect so I'm voting him.


the cult had night kill immunity for the starting phases. And if the leader position is passed down... I refuse to believe that the cult can recruit the same night when their leader is killed. Even if they can recruit, it would be Sooh who tried to recruit you. So your initial case on Cuth for a failed conversion attempt is a lie.

Raith, as there any conversion attempt on you? Did u get any message from the host?

[Zack]

I mentioned the agnostic thing in my original post too. Why did you not believe the claim?

[Zack]

wtf why would I get a message about a failed conversion attempt? did you get one in your mafia qt?

[Zack]

anyways I gotta run but my world is shaken, not sure what to think right now

raith is town I guess

[Raith Kemmler]

I mentioned the agnostic thing in my original post too. Why did you not believe the claim?

I completely missed that part.

...

Sorry.

Unvote

Zack is town based on that reaction. Bad lynch unless it's a final 3 currently I think.

Vote :Chox

Need to finish that reread.

[atheotes]

wtf why would I get a message about a failed conversion attempt? did you get one in your mafia qt?

Because you went after Cuth as soon as the day started...citing a failed conversion attempt. I already quoted that post. Previous day you are sure Raith is scum. You vote for him. It doesnt pan out. The next day you change your target. It seemed very scummy

unvote; Vote: Choxorn - hopefully you will now have to post more that a vote.

[Raith Kemmler]

Zack is town based on that reaction. Bad lynch unless it's a final 3 currently I think.


I retract this. If the host gave a former unconverted a mafia role, town had no way to win this anyway. Zack is just town.

I think we should all post reads at this point. I want to know exactly where everyone is with everyone else.

Zack being town changes things, I'm a bit less sure about my previous reads now. Will post updates in a few hours when I've got time.

[Jarema]

for now, I think that Cuth and Visor are mafia.
Choxorn is also acting strange, but I would rather suspect him of being cult

[Zack]

Because you went after Cuth as soon as the day started...citing a failed conversion attempt. I already quoted that post.
I was operating under the assumption cult tried to convert me and failed, so they decided to lynch me.


Previous day you are sure Raith is scum. You vote for him. It doesnt pan out. The next day you change your target. It seemed very scummy
I have already explained this.


for now, I think that Cuth and Visor are mafia.
Choxorn is also acting strange, but I would rather suspect him of being cult
Why cuth/visor for mafia, and why choxorn for cult?

[Jarema]

I rather see Visor as mafia
(not sure why. Just feel that way.)

then, I can see Cuth associated with him, and Choxorn being part of other scum team

[Cuthillius]

and cuth, you protected sooh? Thought you and her were always pushing each others' lynch? What happened there?


No, this was before that

[Cuthillius]

I think raith/atheotes/cuth are actually the scum team, and the cult might be gone. They are trying to push me, as mislynching me will seal the game for them numbers-wise.

SCUM: cuth, raith, atheotes

TOWN: zack, visor, jarrema, choxorn

you go from ur cult dude why u hunting scum to ur scum dude there's not cult

but if you actually are towny that's

[Visor]

I'm interested in seeing Visor's analysis when he finishes his re-read. I don't have the time atm for such an endeavor, and I wasn't paying super close attention to the thread while I was out.

well it was gonna happen

then i gave up :D

[Zack]

yep a townie never changes their mind

Nice that you are completely ignoring your precious raith confirming I'm town that can't be recruited by cult

[Visor]

Cuth

your list of actions is the most uninspiring list of actions i have ever seen

[Visor]

i could vote choxorn today

[Zack]

Cuth

your list of actions is the most uninspiring list of actions i have ever seen
My favorite part is the implication that him protecting sooh (a cult leader) is the reason there was no kill n3. And of course his natural reaction to this is to push for a sooh lynch.

[Zack]

d4 cuth saved jarrema and pelican (cult leader)

actually looking back i think pizza solved the game way back

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Mafia-v-Cult-In-Play&p=2053685270&viewfull=1#post2053685270

[Visor]

My favorite part is the implication that him protecting sooh (a cult leader) is the reason there was no kill n3. And of course his natural reaction to this is to push for a sooh lynch.

I'm just wondering if its so terrible its townie

[Zack]

atheotes defends cuth for no reason:


Interesting post by Al Sips.

Maybe i will get a reaction now...we have close to 2 hours left. It would be nice if more people show up. Many more solid lynch candidates than Cuth.
unvote; Vote: ATPG

@Visor, why are you voting for Cuth? What is best for the town at this point? Trying to lynch scum or cult? Sooh & Csargo, Perhaps there is enough material for you to revisit your vote?
cuth finally "pushes" sooh after da


Sooh and Raith.

vote:Sooh

pretty sure about this one, now

also look at 593/594, atheotes and jarrema push pelican ahead of cuth, who was leading at the time

notice post 623 down. wagon forms on al sips, led by town and cult, then cuth and atheotes jump on late. al then votes atheotes in a way that seems like distancing

[Visor]

d4 cuth saved jarrema and pelican (cult leader)

actually looking back i think pizza solved the game way back

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Mafia-v-Cult-In-Play&p=2053685270&viewfull=1#post2053685270

lol that would be funny

[Zack]

also note that cuth and atheotes were voting for different people before the wagon formed. keep going after choxorn. they changed their votes when steam against al began to pick up.

Cuth/Jarema/atheotes. Remaining scum are in that group based on their voting patterns.

[Zack]

oh and I want to point out that my awful d2 lynch was driven by two cult leaders and a revealed mafia

and the awful d5 atpg lynch had cuth, al sipsclar, and atheotes on it to beat out the cuth wagon. jarrema had a throwaway vote on pelican

[Zack]

atheotes/jarema/al were all on the d6 pelican wagon, and the mafia have clearly demonstrated a hard on for eliminating cult

[Zack]

time and time again, atheotes keeps going after choxorn. Why doesn't he ever vote jarema?

I'm gonna go ahead and put choxorn as my biggest townread after me and raith. mafia keep going after him and this seems way more characteristic of town chox than scum chox.

[Zack]

@ATPG
why Cuth??
I can agree for common target that makes sense. But I dont feel Cuth being scum
i mean cmon

[Zack]

craziest thing is even with all these quintuple-posts i'm making i still don't even have half as many posts as pizzaguy

[Visor]

El Barto

vote count please

[Cuthillius]

My favorite part is the implication that him protecting sooh (a cult leader) is the reason there was no kill n3. And of course his natural reaction to this is to push for a sooh lynch.

I did not imply that at all. I did not realize there was no kill. I pushed for sooh after I was wrong on ATPG because there were pingy things re:her and defending pizza a certain way, also I felt she was a quiet but quality candidate that I would convert if I was cult.

[Cuthillius]

Zack, you may have opinions but going around saying "ohh this thing you people did was awful you shouldn't have done that ever omg you're probably scum"

Townies are never wrong. Is that what you're saying?

[Cuthillius]

vote:choxorn

As I said earlier in the day he's one of the two prime suspects of scum and Zack is probably not a good idea today.

I hope the real doc is able to do the right thing

[Zack]

I did not imply that at all. I did not realize there was no kill. I pushed for sooh after I was wrong on ATPG because there were pingy things re:her and defending pizza a certain way, also I felt she was a quiet but quality candidate that I would convert if I was cult.
Look up the definition of implication. I used it correctly.


Zack, you may have opinions but going around saying "ohh this thing you people did was awful you shouldn't have done that ever omg you're probably scum"

Townies are never wrong. Is that what you're saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYSrjnjpzz0