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So everybody happy but the Royalists, right?
The horrible no good very bad day.
Let them have nooses and eat it too.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 18:36
I think what I'm going to do here is keep my own commentary to a minimum.
This will give other players a chance to find and catch the remaining Royal(s) without having their opinions overlooked because they're not as clear as a half dozen other players.
You guys have the floor. I'll post stuff I want to talk about in my faction quicktopic and be around if someone specifically wants to hear from me.
I kinda want to know why Monty was going so hard against me yesterday. I can't figure out what he was seeing in my play that no one else was, and him being off of both wagons at EOD is not great.
Montmorency
03-11-2017, 19:15
Cause I was suspicious of you. I have no regrets.
Cause I was suspicious of you. I have no regrets.
this is a villager
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 19:26
Sadly, while the sans-culottes were very good at sniffing out political danger, they were less adept at sniffing out criminal danger - you know, the thing that actual police and guards were good at.
GH trying to give me a heart attack with this line.
You scamp!
I kinda want to know why Monty was going so hard against me yesterday. I can't figure out what he was seeing in my play that no one else was, and him being off of both wagons at EOD is not great.
Not no one else, Dp. I saw the awkwardness, too. You just get a large supply of benefit of the doubt from me all the time and I don't know why. I think my image of you as a player doesn't quite match reality.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 19:36
Now that it's been mentioned by a couple other people, I want to chime in and say I've not found dp to be particularly himself.
I still want to re-read to see if I still agree with that.
Now that it's been mentioned by a couple other people, I want to chime in and say I've not found dp to be particularly himself.
I still want to re-read to see if I still agree with that.
I've played multiple games of mafia on other sites since my last town game here, you sure that my style can't have just shifted naturally in that time?
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 19:46
I've played multiple games of mafia on other sites since my last town game here, you sure that my style can't have just shifted naturally in that time?
I've actually never seen you be scum, tbh. It's mostly based on this game's behavior.
Tell me about your day one, what you were thinking when you did stuff.
I've actually never seen you be scum, tbh. It's mostly based on this game's behavior.
Tell me about your day one, what you were thinking when you did stuff.
Initially I was just fluff-posting while I tried to figure out how to play the setup. Then I realised that I should probably get to solving the game as I had no idea who I was going to vote, so I posted my reads list halfway through. When thread discussion didn't really pick up I decided to pressure Monty since I thought his pressure on me was weird. I woke up 5 mins before EOD, asked for the cases, got nothing back, so voted the guy who wasn't as pure.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 20:34
Tell me more about the decision to vote Jabbz. Which post from Manasi (or posts) did you see which made you feel Manasi was pure, and why?
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 20:35
A snerk marches on his stomach.
Anyway, to business. El Barto AKA Jean Baptiste Bernadotte has declared his royalist ambitions. Off with his head!
vote: El Barto
I am curious as of now as to whether or not this accusation was a joke. I assumed it was, but let's not leave any stone unturned.
Tell me more about the decision to vote Jabbz. Which post from Manasi (or posts) did you see which made you feel Manasi was pure, and why?
The post immediately prior to my vote, when Manasi said that they didn't regret livening up the thread a bit. The tone of it just felt like what I'd expect a joking townsperson to say.
I am curious as of now as to whether or not this accusation was a joke. I assumed it was, but let's not leave any stone unturned.
You think I actually thought Barto was more scummy for something he said in the sign-up thread?
Though at that time I thought it was as good as vote as any. Still think he's a plausible lynch candidate.
Al Sipsclar
03-11-2017, 21:23
Bon matin! Just want to mention that my top town right now is Khaan for calling out Jabbz. My top scums are all dead now. Unfortunately, this is going to be a busy weekend for me, but I'll try to put in a vote.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 21:26
You think I actually thought Barto was more scummy for something he said in the sign-up thread?
Though at that time I thought it was as good as vote as any. Still think he's a plausible lynch candidate.
Lol
I wasnt paying attention. Thought he might have said something silly in his faction quicktopic after the game started. Thanks for clarifying.
vote: Autolycus
Wolfy bandwagon movement.
That is a lot of dead people. :inquisitive:
It's also a lot of dead Royalists. Are Org games always this brutal to the scum early on? ~:P
That is a lot of dead people. :inquisitive:
It's also a lot of dead Royalists. Are Org games always this brutal to the scum early on? ~:p
Yeah I'm beginning to see a trend too.
vote: Autolycus
Wolfy bandwagon movement.
vote: Autolycus
I'm not sheeping!!
Ok I'm sheeping. Sue me.
GeneralHankerchief
03-11-2017, 21:39
Tally as of post 520. I might have missed a vote, especially if it was made early in the round, any doublechecking would be appreciated. :bow:
autolycus: 2 | Renata (518), Snerk (520)
Csargo: 1 | Montmorency (475)
Round ends:
(pending DST shenanigans)
Montmorency
03-11-2017, 21:44
Unvote: Csargo
Why auto? Why auto over the other lurkers/inactives?
Well I tried Barto yesterday but it didn't gather much enthusiasm..
Sorry, at that time Jabbz had 3 votes and you and BSmith had 2 votes. He voted to increment BSmith while arguing for your towniness. This was clearly part of the scum effort to save Jabbz, and it might also be spew wrt reasoning against voting another salient wagon.
There was
This is a stretch at best. The simplest solution is Kage needed to switch his vote to try and save Jabbz, and so he had to unvote me for whatever reason. Also, BSmith had 3 votes and was tied with Jabbz, so there's that. He gave a random reason to switch his vote, you're clearly reading too much into it.
Unvote: Csargo
Why auto? Why auto over the other lurkers/inactives?
"Wolfy bandwagon movement"
I'm judging people on whether they're willing to go check for themselves what I mean. glgl, next vote count's just a few posts down the line.
I didn't like his phrasing with that vote on BSmith either. Over-explainy. I doubt he treasures my presence that much.
Care to elaborate?
I just didn't like your vote switch yesterday. You protected Jabbz more than BSmith when you voted for Manasi, since Jabbz was ahead of BSmith at that point. It bothers me.
I just didn't like your vote switch yesterday. You protected Jabbz more than BSmith when you voted for Manasi, since Jabbz was ahead of BSmith at that point. It bothers me.
Fair. And I figured someone would mention my quite scummy vote yesterday. But I was kinda factionally obliged to try and save Jabbz. For what it's worth I regret the vote.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 22:41
Pizza still voting for his top town-lean, eh? Can't decide weather to help or bus a scum-buddy?
Did you ever really suspect Renata?
Vote: Snerk
That is a lot of dead people. :inquisitive:
It's also a lot of dead Royalists. Are Org games always this brutal to the scum early on? ~:P
I feel that this is horrible tonewise. Vote: Arakhor
Did you ever really suspect Renata?
Vote: Snerk
Yes.
Fair. And I figured someone would mention my quite scummy vote yesterday. But I was kinda factionally obliged to try and save Jabbz. For what it's worth I regret the vote.
Why did you say it was in defense of BSmith then? It all just looks really bad at this point.
Why did you say it was in defense of BSmith then? It all just looks really bad at this point.
Factionally obliged to save him too. And just a moment earlier BSmith was in the lead.
As scum that manoeuvre would be too ballsy for me. Would have quietly nursed an off wagon vote instead.
Confirmed. Also the reason I voted manasi over Jabbz.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 23:28
Yes.
When/why?
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2017, 23:39
This is what I saw when I looked.
Stuff mentioning Renata at that point in the game-
That or a preemptive renata lynch for improved thread-ease-of-readage.. :)
Furthermore, not letting Renate get away with posting hidden messages in public this game.
These are the first letters of her posts so far: Vltrnitwibk
What Renate didn't know, is that I am fluent in Polish and thus able to decipher her code. "Vltrnitwibk" means nothing less than "long live the king!" J'accuse, madame!!!!
Needs more wagon. unvote, vote: Renata
Pizza still voting for his top town-lean, eh? Can't decide weather to help or bus a scum-buddy?
First are first page jokey stuff. The wagon on Renata would be after the vote was tied 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1. But this was page 2 and I didn't see any real reason to suspect Renata before that point. Nothing occurs between then and the Renata scumbuddy comment. Afterward, Snerk doesn't mention any suspicion either.
He unvotes and votes someone else for faction related reasons instead of encouraging people to lynch his suspect.
Strange behavior for someone acting townish.
At a reasonable minimum, Snerk, you're more concerned with faction-related stuff than scum hunting, but you're really going to have to show me what about Renata you found scummy before I unvote you. And even then, I'd need to be voting for someone I think is likely to be scum.
When/why?
Well my initial vote on her was just an attempt to get a wagon going, and it worked.
Later I grew somewhat suspicious on the interaction between the two to with posts like this:
Pizza! How I have missed lynching your scummy butt.
Good vote. No one will ever suspect you're distancing.
Plus the point I made in the post you just quoted, about your vote on her suddenly turning into a townread after a wagon started to roll on her.
But on tone she seemed similar to her previous town game.
Both of these points I stated in the faction QT at around that time.
He unvotes and votes someone else for faction related reasons instead of encouraging people to lynch his suspect.
She was hardly "my suspect" though.
At a reasonable minimum, Snerk, you're more concerned with faction-related stuff than scum hunting, but you're really going to have to show me what about Renata you found scummy before I unvote you. And even then, I'd need to be voting for someone I think is likely to be scum.
You find it scummy that I voted to avoid a faction lynch d1?
I feel that this is horrible tonewise. Vote: Arakhor
Cars to say why? I was only the most recent person to comment on last night's carnage.
Cars to say why? I was only the most recent person to comment on last night's carnage.
It just feels like the comment about how brutal it is towards the royalists is something that scum is more likely to say compared to town. Or rather, phrasing it as brutality rather than as something to be celebrated. I know I've made similar tonal slips in the past as mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 00:23
You find it scummy that I voted to avoid a faction lynch d1?
Somewhat.
It's a good ready-made excuse to protect a scum. If your faction got 2 scums randed into it, you have a get out of jail free card to use every time that person is under lynch threat. I fully anticipate that excuse would be used to protect a scum on the lynch pile. I'd suggest if there's 2 scums in a single faction, they'd pretty much never not use that excuse in this setup, unless they had a strong reason not to. I won't say it's evidence against you but it's also not something that is in any way reassuring. It's a thing you can do to save a scum and excuse yourself from doing so at once.
I will always want more than just a faction related reason for voting. Given where I sit on both myself and Renata, you don't have a lot going for you for your day one behavior.
I won't say I'm sold on you being scum. But the wheels are churning on you and a couple other suspects.
Will keep thinking on it.
It just feels like the comment about how brutal it is towards the royalists is something that scum is more likely to say compared to town. Or rather, phrasing it as brutality rather than as something to be celebrated. I know I've made similar tonal slips in the past as mafia.
If I was scum, I'd be much more circumspect than I am now. If you think you've seen awkward now, wait until I have something to hide. :sweatdrop:
Somewhat.
It's a good ready-made excuse to protect a scum. If your faction got 2 scums randed into it, you have a get out of jail free card to use every time that person is under lynch threat. I fully anticipate that excuse would be used to protect a scum on the lynch pile. I'd suggest if there's 2 scums in a single faction, they'd pretty much never not use that excuse in this setup, unless they had a strong reason not to. I won't say it's evidence against you but it's also not something that is in any way reassuring. It's a thing you can do to save a scum and excuse yourself from doing so at once.
I will always want more than just a faction related reason for voting. Given where I sit on both myself and Renata, you don't have a lot going for you for your day one behavior.
I won't say I'm sold on you being scum. But the wheels are churning on you and a couple other suspects.
Will keep thinking on it.
I like Csargo straightforward vote on me much more than yours right now. Pro-faction voting d1 isn't scummy. That scums would will use that angle if available is irrelevant. The vote is scummy because Jabbz flipped scum. That's all.
I stand by my thoughs on your two-faced posistion on Renata early yesterday.
Stay calm and keep churning.
Somewhat.
It's a good ready-made excuse to protect a scum. If your faction got 2 scums randed into it, you have a get out of jail free card to use every time that person is under lynch threat. I fully anticipate that excuse would be used to protect a scum on the lynch pile. I'd suggest if there's 2 scums in a single faction, they'd pretty much never not use that excuse in this setup, unless they had a strong reason not to. I won't say it's evidence against you but it's also not something that is in any way reassuring. It's a thing you can do to save a scum and excuse yourself from doing so at once.
I will always want more than just a faction related reason for voting. Given where I sit on both myself and Renata, you don't have a lot going for you for your day one behavior.
I won't say I'm sold on you being scum. But the wheels are churning on you and a couple other suspects.
Will keep thinking on it.
Who are your other suspects?
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 01:36
Who are your other suspects?
I'm looking at dp, not sure I am fully on board with him being town. I am actually perfectly content with votes on dp, Arakhor, and Snerk atp.
My list of people I don't want to vote for is pretty long. I do have several names of people who haven't done much yet this game, and I'd like to pencil them in for a town alignment if possible, but I can't do that until they do something.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 01:40
I stand by my thoughs on your two-faced posistion on Renata early yesterday.
Lol
I didn't have Renata as actually scummy at any point, despite my opening joke vote on her.
I made it clear as soon as I did any actual analysis she was my top townie. That you kept focusing on that and attempted to draw a link between us without actually really pushing people to vote for either one of us is off to me. I didn't move my vote off of her right away because I saw no need, and I didn't have a solid individual suspect to vote. I was looking for towns.
If that's not a good enough explanation, keep in mind Monstrman the Royalist is dead because I asked for him to be and sent the order. So if you have remaining thoughts on me being scum, please, by all means explain them. I'd be happy to lol again.
Vote: NotACop
I don't even think this is a bad vote, I just think it's funny that LITERALLY NOBODY reacted to it.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 02:03
I don't even think this is a bad vote, I just think it's funny that LITERALLY NOBODY reacted to it.
NAC hasn't done a whole lot. It's tough to react to a vote if the person doing the voting looks almost impossible not to be town, and the target is someone with not much going for them in terms of town points earned through posting.
I figure folks like NAC and El Barto and Sooh are pretty busy d1. That's not a trend that can continue all game, but I'd like to see more before I make a big judgment on them.
Fine with the pressure on NAC to do something.
I'm looking at dp, not sure I am fully on board with him being town. I am actually perfectly content with votes on dp, Arakhor, and Snerk atp.
My list of people I don't want to vote for is pretty long. I do have several names of people who haven't done much yet this game, and I'd like to pencil them in for a town alignment if possible, but I can't do that until they do something.
I agree with those choices. Arakhor is high on my list at this point.
Zack's vote is good imo. I don't see the point in questioning it.
Short of the whole "not being in the same faction" thing, what is it exactly you have against me?
I don't even think this is a bad vote, I just think it's funny that LITERALLY NOBODY reacted to it.
:sunny:
YO
The Committee for Lulz of this special session of the Revolutionary Congress or whatever the heck we are would like to make the following announcement.
We haz a dayvig.
As you were.
Lolwolves.
Based on his jabbz wagon formed, seems w/v and wouldn't be surprised if wagon was all v. Lolol.
My thoughts exactly, Jabbz wagon looks pure af.
The thing that makes me wonder a little is that Kagemusha's vote switch said he didn't want to lynch a first-timer in the first round (by which I assume he means Manasi, who's never played any games here before). His switch made it 5-4-3 Manasi-BSmith-Jabbz. Was he just trying to help out Jabbz and trying to push Bsmith/Manasi wagons, or did he actively prefer BSmith's lynch to Manasi's for more sinister reasons?
What makes me really wonder is Kage and Monstr were both off-wagon at EoD, and they were around fairly late but disappeared in the last hour or so. That actually makes Manasi look more townie- I'd expect that if it was w/w wagons at least one of them would want to be on either Manasi or Jabbz for bussing credit, at least once it became clear one of those two was getting lynched. But it's possible they just weren't around that late- monstr's last post was just before Kagemusha's, and all he said was that he thought the wagons were v/v. I'm not actually sure which wagons he's referring to- when he said that, it was 5 Manasi 3 Bsmith 3 Jabbz.
Actually, that also makes Manasi look pretty townie, now that I think about it. Monstr acting like that doesn't make much sense if Manasi's his scumbuddy- otherwise I'd expect him to vote BSmith or try harder to save Manasi, it looks a lot more like Monstr was expecting Manasi/BSmith wagons and wanted to get in an "I think they're both villagers," which he'd already know whether or not they were, and he wanted to make himself look good for observing that when one of them inevitably flipped town. That looks like a genuine spew on Monstr's part.
Choxorn's taken himself out of the running for the dayvig, well done well done.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 03:07
Oh, since there's a day vig, I can't sit on this any more:
Our faction has strong reason to believe Al Sipsclar is not affiliated with the Royalists. Not only did he suspect Kagemusha while we were discussing vig targets, but he's the one I got to kill Monstrdude. The fact that both kills went through means he probably cannot be involved at all.
It's not a scan of any kind, it's just reasoning, offered freely. You may disagree with it but I'm almost 100 percent sure this is sound.
I'd be surprised if Jabbz was the only Royalist on the Manasiwagon, even if the other two dead Royalists weren't on the wagon.
Snerk- His vote is the one that looks the worst to me, even taking into account that he, BSmith, and Jabbz are all on the same faction, per Snerk and BSmith's claims. I also don't like how he said he was voting Manasi to save BSmith but didn't mention Jabbz, that sounds like something a scum would say if he wanted to save his buddy without looking like he was saving his buddy.
Logic- Is dead, and townie.
BSmith- Easily the best-looking of all the living Manasi-voters, his vote for Manasi broke a 3-3-3 tie between Manasi, BSmith, and Jabbz, and it's perfectly understandable he'd vote for Manasi there. Kage and Monstr's EoD posts all make BSmith look pretty townie.
Jabbz- Is dead, and scum.
Arakhor- Voted Manasi right after NotACop did, seemingly out of frustration at how much Manasi was shitposting. As far as I can tell he wasn't around at EoD. While I could easily see town Arakhor voting Manasi for that, especially early on, it could just as easily be scum Arakhor using that as an excuse, and I agree with dp101 that his tone today is bad.
NotACop- Voted for Manasi early on, as far as I can tell his vote is random. He disappeared shortly after. I have no read at all on him, he only has 2 posts in the thread.
In order from most to least scummy, I'd rate them Snerk > Arakhor > NotACop > BSmith.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 03:38
Short of the whole "not being in the same faction" thing, what is it exactly you have against me?
It's more a question of what I don't have for you.
In your 9 posts this game, you've spent five responding to questions or accusations about yourself, one making a comment on the writeup, one asking me why we shouldn't lynch people (opposed to asking why we should lynch people) and one saying there were a lot of votes on Renata, implying they weren't random, but none following up on that suspicion or pushing them or defending Renata.
I had my sights on Monstrdude because he made a post explaining how Manasi was town and it was probably v/v wagons anyways and doing absolutely nothing about it; not defending anyone being voted, not voting for or even commenting on the third place candidate (who was Jabbz, it should be noted) and there was still time left in the round. He was writing off Manasi for dead before she was buried.
Other people in this game tried to lynch a scumbag who was acting scummy, right or wrong. Others tried to defend people they thought were townies, right or wrong. Others made a difference.
What have you done for town lately?
I don't have mega-suspicion on you, how could I? You've not done anything. But that's the point.
Monstrdude didn't do anything either. That's why I shot him. I know he's capable of doing stuff. I'm sure you are too.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 03:48
why I shot him --> why I had him shot
As explained before, and just to be clear. No edits allowed.
El Barto
03-12-2017, 03:50
I'm only just back. I'll appear tomorrow.
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2017, 03:51
Tally as of post 560, I May Be A Little Drunk Edition.
Snerk: 2 | Csargo (527), ATPG (531)
autolycus: 2 | Renata (518), Snerk (520)
Arakhor: 1 | Dp101 (532)
NotACop: 1 | Zack (544)
Round ends:
pending DST shenanigans.
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2017, 03:55
I wonder what the bylaws are if I :daisy:post in my own thread.
OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL
Looked a bit at things said by our dead Royalist friends to see if there was anything juicy or interesting.
Kagemusha:
Not much there, he only made three posts. I've already given my thoughts on his BSmith vote. Not sure what to make of his random vote for Csargo at the start. I'd think more of his interactions with Renata if I wasn't so sure that Renata was town.
Monstrdude:
Most of his posts are jokey and hard to get much out of. He voted for Sooh and stayed there, and poked a bit at a lot of people, but the only concrete read of his was his townread of Manasi. Perhaps a little interesting is his reaction to Monty defending Arakhor from Pizza and Renata:
defense of arakhor noted
But other than him saying he was fairly sure Manasi was town, I can't follow his thought process enough to be able to tell how he felt about anyone.
Jabbz:
His posts have more content than Monstr's and he talked more than Kagemusha did, but basically all of his interactions are with people who voted for him or were suspicious of him. His posting history makes the people who voted for him look even more townie than they already did, but that's about all I can gather from his posts, and "Most or all of Jabbz's voters are town" isn't a ground-breaking new bit of information.
I'm only just back. I'll appear tomorrow.
Nothing more to say, have you?
I wonder what the bylaws are if I :daisy:post in my own thread.
OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL
https://i.imgur.com/cJlBUVL.gif
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 04:04
I wonder what the bylaws are if I :daisy:post in my own thread.
OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Chaos_zpslhnpwsb2.png
Hey guys, Sorry I've been violently ill since mid-day 1 so I haven't been able to play. I'm feeling much better now, trying to get caught up, but I still have to go back and read a bunch of Day 1 again too. Reading through Day 2 ATM.
I've actually never seen you be scum, tbh. It's mostly based on this game's behavior.
Tell me about your day one, what you were thinking when you did stuff.
This was in response to DP. Just want to chime in that I'm not seeing a ton of scum in DP's play and I'm very familiar with it. (Pegged him scum Day 1 last game.)
My thoughts exactly, Jabbz wagon looks pure af.
The thing that makes me wonder a little is that Kagemusha's vote switch said he didn't want to lynch a first-timer in the first round (by which I assume he means Manasi, who's never played any games here before). His switch made it 5-4-3 Manasi-BSmith-Jabbz. Was he just trying to help out Jabbz and trying to push Bsmith/Manasi wagons, or did he actively prefer BSmith's lynch to Manasi's for more sinister reasons?
What makes me really wonder is Kage and Monstr were both off-wagon at EoD, and they were around fairly late but disappeared in the last hour or so. That actually makes Manasi look more townie- I'd expect that if it was w/w wagons at least one of them would want to be on either Manasi or Jabbz for bussing credit, at least once it became clear one of those two was getting lynched. But it's possible they just weren't around that late- monstr's last post was just before Kagemusha's, and all he said was that he thought the wagons were v/v. I'm not actually sure which wagons he's referring to- when he said that, it was 5 Manasi 3 Bsmith 3 Jabbz.
Actually, that also makes Manasi look pretty townie, now that I think about it. Monstr acting like that doesn't make much sense if Manasi's his scumbuddy- otherwise I'd expect him to vote BSmith or try harder to save Manasi, it looks a lot more like Monstr was expecting Manasi/BSmith wagons and wanted to get in an "I think they're both villagers," which he'd already know whether or not they were, and he wanted to make himself look good for observing that when one of them inevitably flipped town. That looks like a genuine spew on Monstr's part.
I've been wondering about Kage's vote as well. I don't know if he thought it was less of a risk to vote BSmith, or if he just wanted another wagon in front of Jabbz. I like your analysis though, a lot more in-depth than my thinking.
I wonder what the bylaws are if I :daisy:post in my own thread.
OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL
:whip:
It's more a question of what I don't have for you.
In your 9 posts this game, you've spent five responding to questions or accusations about yourself, one making a comment on the writeup, one asking me why we shouldn't lynch people (opposed to asking why we should lynch people) and one saying there were a lot of votes on Renata, implying they weren't random, but none following up on that suspicion or pushing them or defending Renata.
I had my sights on Monstrdude because he made a post explaining how Manasi was town and it was probably v/v wagons anyways and doing absolutely nothing about it; not defending anyone being voted, not voting for or even commenting on the third place candidate (who was Jabbz, it should be noted) and there was still time left in the round. He was writing off Manasi for dead before she was buried.
Other people in this game tried to lynch a scumbag who was acting scummy, right or wrong. Others tried to defend people they thought were townies, right or wrong. Others made a difference.
What have you done for town lately?
I don't have mega-suspicion on you, how could I? You've not done anything. But that's the point.
Monstrdude didn't do anything either. That's why I shot him. I know he's capable of doing stuff. I'm sure you are too.
I figured something was wrong with monstr when he said something about not having any townreads and everyone was a wolf. In the org game where he was town, he actually voiced a problem of having too many townreads and he seemed to have a pretty easy time townreading people that were even found universally scummy.
I wonder what the bylaws are if I :daisy:post in my own thread.
OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL
So this is how liberty dies.
Hey guys, Sorry I've been violently ill since mid-day 1 so I haven't been able to play. I'm feeling much better now, trying to get caught up, but I still have to go back and read a bunch of Day 1 again too. Reading through Day 2 ATM.
This was in response to DP. Just want to chime in that I'm not seeing a ton of scum in DP's play and I'm very familiar with it. (Pegged him scum Day 1 last game.)
Glad to see that you are feeling better. Any other reads thus far?
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 09:12
I can tell you that Snerk expressed a desire in-QT to lynch Jabbz, a day before EOD. At the moment when it looked like Bsmith was more at risk of lynch, I announced that Jabbz would be a higher-priority rescue than BSmith. Snerk was annoyed at this, expressing his opinion that Jabbz was the scummiest player both in public and in private, and that my choice was hard to understand if coming from town.
Cut Snerk some slack, Jacques.
At this point in D2 I see the choice as between Arakhor and auto. Renata seems to be haranguing auto for his 2 posts because of the wording of the second.
He made it seem like the choice was just Manasi/Bsmithwhen it was actually Manasi/Bsmith/Montmorency/JABBZ.
Renata: 3 | Manasi (78), Snerk (89), ATPG (116)
BSmith: 3 | Fenn (131), Al Sipsclar (136), autolycus (287)
Manasi: 2 | NotACop (112), Arakhor (115)
Montmorency: 2 | Renata (271), Dp101 (272)
Jabbz: 2 | Lewwyn (233), seireikhaan (289)
I'm enjoying this version of Renata too much to want to see her exit so soon. I haven't gotten to play with Manasi before, so unvote, vote: Bsmith as a counterwagon!
Renata and Manasi mentioned as people not to vote, picks BSmith as victim. All in one sentence. Doesn't mention Jabbz. I can see it as being too front-loaded for a throwaway vote dropped before lurking the phase away.
I Vote: arakhor and approve of dayvig on auto.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 09:35
I figured something was wrong with monstr when he said something about not having any townreads and everyone was a wolf. In the org game where he was town, he actually voiced a problem of having too many townreads and he seemed to have a pretty easy time townreading people that were even found universally scummy.
That's a good note.
But even if you struggle in a particular game to find town reads, what do you do with the ones you do get? His town read of me was just after I posted the explanation-free leans list. Later he gave Manasi a town lean but did daisy all to vote her counterwagons. After Jabbz flipped, I noted a possible reason why he didn't want to discuss or push the counterwagons was that he might have to give a more in-depth commentary about Jabbz and push Jabbz, instead of Manasi, his village lean. I just thought it was weird that he had seemingly not even acknowledged the existence of the third wagon. Those were the specifics, the basics that got me even thinking about it were something I thought at the start of night when I was giving everyone a preliminary once-over: I couldn't feel monstr's presence, therefore he must be scum. If he's town he's gonna be impossible to ignore, I'd imagine. This is to say, I think his town game could feel like a friendly bear hug, or a punch in the gut, but either way, you'll feel it.
I mentioned that if monstr somehow survived our shot, I'd be revealing the reasoning and pushing him all of day two, convinced he got his faction to protect a mafioso. It's pretty okay reasoning, but I'm glad I didn't necessarily have to go through the full democratic process on him. I'm sure if he knew he was under fire he'd put up a good defense. Sometimes a vig shot is the best solution.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 09:37
I can tell you that Snerk expressed a desire in-QT to lynch Jabbz, a day before EOD. At the moment when it looked like Bsmith was more at risk of lynch, I announced that Jabbz would be a higher-priority rescue than BSmith. Snerk was annoyed at this, expressing his opinion that Jabbz was the scummiest player both in public and in private, and that my choice was hard to understand if coming from town.
Cut Snerk some slack, Jacques.
Ok. This is persuasive, so I'll move off of Snerk.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 09:41
I'll go with Lewwyn's and other's reads on dp for now. I wanted it looked at and it was.
Pump up the pressure on Arakhor, and no objection to an autolycus dayvig based on that.
Unvote, vote: Arakhor
I can tell you that Snerk expressed a desire in-QT to lynch Jabbz, a day before EOD. At the moment when it looked like Bsmith was more at risk of lynch, I announced that Jabbz would be a higher-priority rescue than BSmith. Snerk was annoyed at this, expressing his opinion that Jabbz was the scummiest player both in public and in private, and that my choice was hard to understand if coming from town.
Cut Snerk some slack, Jacques.
Hmm. Does anyone else in your faction have anything to say about who wanted who dead or saved yesterday?
And, I'm going to have to ask- if you preferred to save your faction mates (or well, have your other faction mates do the saving), why did you keep your vote on dp101 and not have anything to say publicly about any of the leading wagons at EoD yesterday?
Pump up the pressure on Arakhor, and no objection to an autolycus dayvig based on that.
Funnily enough, you're not "upping the pressure", you're trying to kill me.
As it happens, ATPG, I remember the game in which you (as a scum) started the QT entitled something like, "Infiltrated right from the start" and spent much of your time leading the town to defeat with a successful scum victory. As such, I'm sure you can excuse me if I take a dim view of you issuing contextless orders such as peremptory commands not to vote for someone.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 11:37
Hmm. Does anyone else in your faction have anything to say about who wanted who dead or saved yesterday?
And, I'm going to have to ask- if you preferred to save your faction mates (or well, have your other faction mates do the saving), why did you keep your vote on dp101 and not have anything to say publicly about any of the leading wagons at EoD yesterday?
I was waiting for a better option. Recall how I nudged Renata to commit to a counterwagon. I would have gone with Csargo, but by 2 hours before EOD perhaps only an Arakhor CFD would have been possible, had I pushed hard. Also, I was hoping that my faction would show up in force (they didn't) to vote DP or Renata.
I have some spew from our QT to report on Monstr. Trying to avoid paraphrasing too much.
He himself brought up the idea of potential bussing on Jabbz.
He offered some lame reason for us not to vig on Manasi's wagon.
He seemed more than willing to see El Barto or Snerk dead.
I am fairly confident our faction is now free of Royalist scum.
Also, would be nice if someone from Kagemusha's faction would play ball and report on what he thought about life, the universe and everything. You lot are sticking out right now.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 15:42
DAILY TIP ON REVOLUTIONARY PRAXIS
Root out and straighten up the vacillators and hommes doubles among you. Failure to do so bespeaks and encourages moral corruption, which far-gone can only be cured by excision of the troublesome element from society.
Vive la Convention nationale!
Vive la France!
Vive la révolution!
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 16:02
I am fairly confident our faction is now free of Royalist scum.
Also, would be nice if someone from Kagemusha's faction would play ball and report on what he thought about life, the universe and everything. You lot are sticking out right now.
Yep, let me scan all his content real quick.
The rules on paraphrasing suggest I need to be very brief and generic here, so I've cleaned it up, especially anything that wasn't said by me. Stuff that isn't a generic paraphrase will be in italics, a comment after the fact by me.
Kage said hello to everyone in the faction by name.
Kage began talking about night actions.
Kage agreed with my suggestion that I direct actions on n1.
End of Day one, he complimented me on lynching Jabbz and said he would analyze the Jabbz wagon.
(no conclusions ever came)
I asked about people being available near deadline to submit an order, and Kage volunteered.
Al Sipsclar directly accused Kagemusha for voting late on BSmith and seemingly saving Jabbz.
Kagemusha acknowledged the suspicion, and said he didn't trust anyone but me.
I arrive just before deadline, announcing that I am ready to submit orders. Kage gives me no direction as to what to do.
There's little discussion among the group as to what should be done, so I'm anticipating that the scum team believes I will conserve our actions as I had been advocating all round. I had up until that time been shooting down suggestions to do more than one action at a time, wanting to have as many actions as possible for later on.
I was also pretty suspicious that our actions would be countered. I didn't want to make our actions obvious, announced in advance, or easily avoidable. I made the decision to use three actions. I posted them with no time left for the royalists to counter them, to catch them by surprise.
At the last minute I posted the actions with reasons.
I named Kagemusha in the analysis, among all the other names I mentioned, acknowledging Al's reasoning. I was neutral on the subject.
(To me, his vote could have been just an active townie trying to make a decision between Manasi and BSmith, using the reasoning that Jabbz was listed third in the vote count as a possible reason why he wasn't named. Obviously that's wrong in retrospect.)
I assigned Al to kill Monstrdude. I was hoping that particular choice would be unpredictable, so the vig wouldn't be anticipated, and even if it was, it wouldn't be blocked by a roleblocker, only protected by some other faction.
I named Kagemusha as the one to protect me, because I figured there would be a chance some action would be taken against me that night. I wanted to live to tell about it.
I used a watch on Al, who had been trending up for me anyway.
After the night actions went through, I came to the solid conclusion that Al was good. He's the only one in our group to have vocally suspected Kage, at the time I was discussing whether or not to vig. He didn't specifically say to vig Kage, but that's a dangerous time to mention a name like that.
After the night actions went through, I noted Al's objections to Kagemusha and named him almost lock town.
End of paraphrasing.
That's as much information as I think I can give, based on a strict interpretation of the rules. We're in a good position and I don't want to give away a free modkill over this, and it's important to be good sports.
Of my faction, it should be pretty obvious to everyone that myself and Al Sipsclar should be left alone. I'd ask that those names in particular be left alone. Any other names will have to make their townie-ness clear on their own merits, just like everyone in the game.
As an aside, I don't have a specific reason to suspect anyone else in my group. No one else made votes which negatively impacted Manasi or BSmith's position, made literally any arguments in favor of any of the dead scums, or tried to make any suggestions, really. There's a really good chance our faction is clean.
That said, if votes land on those other people with good or even fair reasoning, I'm making no effort to save them. I'm still putting the scum hunt ahead of factional concerns. As it stands, with 4 factions still containing most of their members, no one faction is in danger of imminently winning that way. Any one faction is very much outnumbered by the others, and every faction has lost either 1 or 2 members, keeping us roughly equal. I've also been fairly open about names and such even to our detriment, and my actions thus far have been focused on keeping all town-faction people alive that I think are town, and focusing lynches and vig actions only on people I think are Royalists. If there's a member of my house you actually suspect, you have my word that if I don't have them as a solid townie with reasons that can pass mustard, I'm not voting in a factionally-motivated way to spare their life and sacrifice someone else. I've given away half the names in my house and it should be easy to solve for the rest at this point, though I haven't really made an effort to solve for that. Every faction has named some names and made some connections.
I think that openness in particular is the reason why this town is doing so well, in my view. Whether I agree with the analysis of my compatriots or not from other factions, I am largely trusting their motivations and testimony. My issues with Snerk in particular were largely based on what, looked from my perspective, to be factionally-motivated behavior that could also be used to cover for scum activities. I trust the reasons given by his faction mates, and their testimony that he was in private actively pushing for Jabbz to die and not singularly focused on faction stuff, in fact pushed into that. That washes away the root of my suspicion.
Let's keep it up. Even one Royalist remaining is still a danger to everyone's win condition, as even one can act like a serial killer that's infiltrated a town network. You have essentially zero control over your win condition until that threat is eliminated. We can cooperate to eliminate that threat as long as we treat the lives in every faction as equal in value, assuming they're not suspected to be a Royalist. I think most of us are on that same page.
If it ever stops being that way, I'd still try to wreck the remaining Royalist for fun and light side jedi points. Not to mention, if there's any way the Royalist team can win in this position, it will be because the factions decided it was safe to tear one another apart. Nothing helps a dictator like a divided populace.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 16:04
Scanning the previous post, I should mention that although Kage stayed till near deadline, I never had him submit an action, since it's allowed that one person speaks on behalf of the entire faction, a concept I hadn't understood to start with.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 16:06
Ugh clarifying.
I submitted an action for him, but he didn't have to type anything.
The particulars of this game's mechanics are a bit confusing in wording.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 16:14
He seemed more than willing to see El Barto or Snerk dead.
I'm thinking this part is genuine. El Barto hasn't cleared himself by his own merits, but it's looking pretty good that he's not a royalist anyway.
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2017, 16:26
Timer Test 1
Timer Test 2
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2017, 16:28
Host note:
Due to DST, the timer for Day 2 has been altered. As I am now in EDT as opposed to EST, it is possible that the phase will end an hour earlier than some of you were expecting it to.
Post 2 of this thread and all tallies going forth will carry the updated timer. The Night 1 writeup and previous tallies will NOT.
-edit- GMT-4 as opposed to GMT-5 for those so inclined.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 16:32
I think that openness in particular is the reason why this town is doing so well, in my view. Whether I agree with the analysis of my compatriots or not from other factions, I am largely trusting their motivations and testimony. My issues with Snerk in particular were largely based on what, looked from my perspective, to be factionally-motivated behavior that could also be used to cover for scum activities. I trust the reasons given by his faction mates, and their testimony that he was in private actively pushing for Jabbz to die and not singularly focused on faction stuff, in fact pushed into that. That washes away the root of my suspicion.
Let's keep it up. Even one Royalist remaining is still a danger to everyone's win condition, as even one can act like a serial killer that's infiltrated a town network. You have essentially zero control over your win condition until that threat is eliminated. We can cooperate to eliminate that threat as long as we treat the lives in every faction as equal in value, assuming they're not suspected to be a Royalist. I think most of us are on that same page.
If it ever stops being that way, I'd still try to wreck the remaining Royalist for fun and light side jedi points. Not to mention, if there's any way the Royalist team can win in this position, it will be because the factions decided it was safe to tear one another apart. Nothing helps a dictator like a divided populace.
https://i.imgur.com/L5us1sW.jpg
Now that there's less to talk about, we can indulge in a little bit of drunkenness and lolposting.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2017, 16:53
I'm hoping to see a lot more activity from the non-clear kind of peoples before round ends. There was a lot directed at me that I felt I really should respond to, but honestly, the rest of the game solve goes a lot more smoothly if the very townie looking people don't dominate the conversation. It's the only way to get more info on everyone else without simply killing them all one by one, a slow and demoralizing process that is likely to miss a lot.
I can tell you that Snerk expressed a desire in-QT to lynch Jabbz, a day before EOD. At the moment when it looked like Bsmith was more at risk of lynch, I announced that Jabbz would be a higher-priority rescue than BSmith. Snerk was annoyed at this, expressing his opinion that Jabbz was the scummiest player both in public and in private, and that my choice was hard to understand if coming from town.
Cut Snerk some slack, Jacques.
At this point in D2 I see the choice as between Arakhor and auto. Renata seems to be haranguing auto for his 2 posts because of the wording of the second.
He made it seem like the choice was just Manasi/Bsmithwhen it was actually Manasi/Bsmith/Montmorency/JABBZ.
Renata: 3 | Manasi (78), Snerk (89), ATPG (116)
BSmith: 3 | Fenn (131), Al Sipsclar (136), autolycus (287)
Manasi: 2 | NotACop (112), Arakhor (115)
Montmorency: 2 | Renata (271), Dp101 (272)
Jabbz: 2 | Lewwyn (233), seireikhaan (289)
Renata and Manasi mentioned as people not to vote, picks BSmith as victim. All in one sentence. Doesn't mention Jabbz. I can see it as being too front-loaded for a throwaway vote dropped before lurking the phase away.
I Vote: arakhor and approve of dayvig on auto.
Alright, I thought Snerk's replies were pretty good anyways.
Unvote, Vote: Autolycus
autolycus
03-12-2017, 18:48
Sorry I was away for the first half of this day. The other populists can confirm that I said I was going to be away for the latter half of the night, and that carried over to the first half of the day.
He made it seem like the choice was just Manasi/Bsmithwhen it was actually Manasi/Bsmith/Montmorency/JABBZ.
Renata: 3 | Manasi (78), Snerk (89), ATPG (116)
BSmith: 3 | Fenn (131), Al Sipsclar (136), autolycus (287)
Manasi: 2 | NotACop (112), Arakhor (115)
Montmorency: 2 | Renata (271), Dp101 (272)
Jabbz: 2 | Lewwyn (233), seireikhaan (289)
Renata and Manasi mentioned as people not to vote, picks BSmith as victim. All in one sentence. Doesn't mention Jabbz. I can see it as being too front-loaded for a throwaway vote dropped before lurking the phase away.
If you look at the order of the votes, you'll see that the second vote on Jabbz happenedafter I voted for BSmith, so he wasn't on my radar at the time. I didn't vote for Montmorency, because especially on day 1, a bunch of votes in quick succession can go from pressure to bandwagon in no time flat. He and Renata are welcome to think my rationale for counterwagoning away from Renata was bogus, but it was the truth. Renata playing an extra out there style of play was interesting to me.
In terms of my suspicions, Arakhor is part of my faction. He does seem more faction-focused than scum-hunting, but I won't pile on there yet. If there's a populist scum, he would be my pick. Both NotACop and atheotes need to wake up. Of the people who are actually talking, I'm actually probably most suspicious of vote: Montmorency. The defense of Snerk is persuasive, but it begs the question, "Why was Jabbz the higher priority save?". Also, missing the order of vote is not a mistake I would expect from Montmorency.
Slight derp clear but Royalists know the whole Royalist team right?
Don't clear me for this thanks.
Sorry I was away for the first half of this day. The other populists can confirm that I said I was going to be away for the latter half of the night, and that carried over to the first half of the day.
If you look at the order of the votes, you'll see that the second vote on Jabbz happenedafter I voted for BSmith, so he wasn't on my radar at the time. I didn't vote for Montmorency, because especially on day 1, a bunch of votes in quick succession can go from pressure to bandwagon in no time flat. He and Renata are welcome to think my rationale for counterwagoning away from Renata was bogus, but it was the truth. Renata playing an extra out there style of play was interesting to me.
In terms of my suspicions, Arakhor is part of my faction. He does seem more faction-focused than scum-hunting, but I won't pile on there yet. If there's a populist scum, he would be my pick. Both NotACop and atheotes need to wake up. Of the people who are actually talking, I'm actually probably most suspicious of vote: Montmorency. The defense of Snerk is persuasive, but it begs the question, "Why was Jabbz the higher priority save?". Also, missing the order of vote is not a mistake I would expect from Montmorency.
If my above post is true, then Jabbz was I suppose a higher priority save just due to the fact that he was scum, right? Maybe I'm missing your point, but other scum would be a lot more pressured to save their teammate than a random villager.
That being said, I don't really think Montmorency is scum but to each their own.
Also lol'd at the vote on Autolycus and then him just popping back into the thread immediately as if he was summoned by it.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 19:08
Sorry I was away for the first half of this day. The other populists can confirm that I said I was going to be away for the latter half of the night, and that carried over to the first half of the day.
If you look at the order of the votes, you'll see that the second vote on Jabbz happenedafter I voted for BSmith, so he wasn't on my radar at the time. I didn't vote for Montmorency, because especially on day 1, a bunch of votes in quick succession can go from pressure to bandwagon in no time flat. He and Renata are welcome to think my rationale for counterwagoning away from Renata was bogus, but it was the truth. Renata playing an extra out there style of play was interesting to me.
In terms of my suspicions, Arakhor is part of my faction. He does seem more faction-focused than scum-hunting, but I won't pile on there yet. If there's a populist scum, he would be my pick. Both NotACop and atheotes need to wake up. Of the people who are actually talking, I'm actually probably most suspicious of vote: Montmorency. The defense of Snerk is persuasive, but it begs the question, "Why was Jabbz the higher priority save?". Also, missing the order of vote is not a mistake I would expect from Montmorency.
Fair enough.
For yesterday's wagons - we all know each other's memberships by now anyway - we had more control over Jabbz', because as EOD got underway 2 of the 3 votes on Jabbz were from our faction - and Zack is not in my faction. That BSmith's wagon looked to have more momentum just added to the weight.
Slight derp clear but Royalists know the whole Royalist team right?
Don't clear me for this thanks.
Huh?
Wait, what? So half of your faction thought Jabbz was suspicious enough to vote him(if we count Snerk), and you still wanted to save him? That is what you're saying right? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Likeeeeeeeeeee.
Royalists know who the other Royalists are, not necessarily what faction they're slipped into, but like.
At least the players?
Fuckin idk nevermind.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 19:31
Wait, what? So half of your faction thought Jabbz was suspicious enough to vote him(if we count Snerk), and you still wanted to save him? That is what you're saying right? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Don't count the votes from Khaan and Lewwyn too highly, they came rather early and before there was any real threat.
I made my decision based on what I thought would be most likely or straightforward (i.e. not involving obvious scrambling and coordination), but it became irrelevant when Fenn changed the dynamic by switching from BSmith to Jabbz, and when half the faction didn't show up anyway.
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Speaking of factions, here's what my guess is from all said and done (italics signify some uncertainty, with brackets more uncertainty):
GIR
Pizza
[Zack/Chox]
Sooh
Barto
Al Sipsclar
MIL
Renata
DP
Csargo
Manasi
MONT
Monty
BSmith
Khaan
Lewwyn
Snerk
POP
Auto
NAC
Atheotes
Arakhor
[Zack/Chox]
Auto is a bad vote/ dayvig target and i suggest everyone move on.
Didn't you say pizza and atheotes were in the same faction earlier?
Nac hasn't posted this phase, everyone said it was a good vote, but no one has joined me. Hmmmmm.
Nac hasn't posted this phase, everyone said it was a good vote, but no one has joined me. Hmmmmm.
I'm trying to keep it on the DL that all I'm doing this game is sheeping your votes. Gimme an hour or two.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 19:41
Didn't you say pizza and atheotes were in the same faction earlier?
I think that was at some point during D1, no? Auto just revealed atheotes is in the Populist faction with him, so that settles it.
I think that was at some point during D1, no? Auto just revealed atheotes is in the Populist faction with him, so that settles it.
Read auto's post again lol.
Auto is a bad vote/ dayvig target and i suggest everyone move on.
This is coming from a mechanical understanding, not my personal read. It's important he not die. Renata
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 19:49
Read auto's post again lol.
In terms of my suspicions, Arakhor is part of my faction. He does seem more faction-focused than scum-hunting, but I won't pile on there yet. If there's a populist scum, he would be my pick. Both NotACop and atheotes need to wake up.
In this context, it is very likely that he was referring to NAC and atheotes in continuation of his comments on the people in his, the Populist, faction.
This is coming from a mechanical understanding, not my personal read. It's important he not die
Go on.
In this context, it is very likely that he was referring to NAC and atheotes in continuation of his comments on the people in his, the Populist, faction.
Do you think he'd openly make it that obvious?
They're not populists.
And no.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 19:54
Do you think he'd openly make it that obvious?
Yet it is what he just said.
They're not populists.
And no.
So you're claiming you and they are Girondins? If not, they must be populists.
I'm not doing this song and dance with you.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 19:56
We'll sort it out a bit later.
Nac hasn't posted this phase, everyone said it was a good vote, but no one has joined me. Hmmmmm.
Unvote, Vote:NotACop :2thumbsup:
Did anybody post anything about Jabbz QT activity?
Anyway. Not much to report on. Quick summary of posts with relevant content:
(paraphrasing from QT like this is within the rules, right?)
Mentioned that he didn't want to argue with Zack this game.
Says he'd might want to vote for Monty is he was in a different faction.
Claims Monty is leaning on him in public. Monty says this isn't the case. Jabbz makes excuse for being inaccurate.
Town lean on Renata. Thinks Ranata-Pizza are faction buddies.
Doesn't like Zack's defence of Manasi.
Jabbz then goes schtum for the rest of the day.
We'll sort it out a bit later.
One thing you should realize. For all of Pizza's talk about working together, and frowning upon Snerk for prioritizing his faction, his comment on NAC was a mere shrug and he's pushed people pretty much exclusively outside of his faction.
That is to say.
He's not a Royalist, but our ultimate victory is to kill each other, Royalist or not, and Pizza is cognizant of that. Don't let him manipulate you into thinking otherwise.
It would be perfectly in character for the Terror for ATPG to "support" liberty by knocking off "suspected Royalists", especially if they're not in his faction. He might even kill another Royalist whilst he was at it, but currently not today.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 20:47
That is to say.
He's not a Royalist, but our ultimate victory is to kill each other, Royalist or not, and Pizza is cognizant of that. Don't let him manipulate you into thinking otherwise.
Wait for it.
Montmorency
03-12-2017, 20:53
It would be perfectly in character for the Terror for ATPG to "support" liberty by knocking off "suspected Royalists", especially if they're not in his faction. He might even kill another Royalist whilst he was at it, but currently not today.
Arakhor, do you have any thoughts on people with fewer than 20 posts?
Does arakhor have any thoughts on people not voting him?
Does arakhor have any thoughts on people not voting him?
Meh, seems like his only scum pushes are on the people voting on him. He's not even really calling them scum though. In #579/580 he seems to just kinda be like "Yeah ATPG you've done this as scum so basically why am I supposed to be calling you a villager" and it just seems to be in an attempt to get people to find ATPG scummy on account of almost paranoia...
I think that's actually all he's said. Welp.
Vote: NAC
etc etc no sheeperino
Vote: NAC
etc etc no sheeperino
:sweetheart:
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2017, 22:09
Tally as of post 626.
autolycus: 3 | Renata (518), Snerk (520), Csargo (593)
Arakhor: 2 | Dp101 (532), ATPG (577)
NotACop: 2 | Zack (544), Manasi (625)
Montmorency: 1 | autolycus (594)
Round ends:
Please note the change due to DST taking effect in the USA.
Arakhor, do you have any thoughts on people with fewer than 20 posts?
I can take a look, certainly. I haven't been online much because I've simply not been feeling up to it, but I'll make an effort today.
Meh, seems like his only scum pushes are on the people voting on him. He's not even really calling them scum though. In #579/580 he seems to just kinda be like "Yeah ATPG you've done this as scum so basically why am I supposed to be calling you a villager" and it just seems to be in an attempt to get people to find ATPG scummy on account of almost paranoia...
It was more that Pizza has complained before that he doesn't like always leading the town, that he's done the whole "leading the town" bit successfully when scum and that on Day One, no less, he suddenly started issuing statements from on high about whom not to vote for (with zero reasoning that I could discern) and considered it scummy for me to dare to question him, rather than simply agreeing and asking for whom to vote instead.
At no point did I suggest that he (or anyone else) was scummy, merely that (by necessity in a multi-faction game like this) his motives cannot possibly be as pure as he claims.
I can take a look, certainly. I haven't been online much because I've simply not been feeling up to it, but I'll make an effort today.
It was more that Pizza has complained before that he doesn't like always leading the town, that he's done the whole "leading the town" bit successfully when scum and that on Day One, no less, he suddenly started issuing statements from on high about whom not to vote for (with zero reasoning that I could discern) and considered it scummy for me to dare to question him, rather than simply agreeing and asking for whom to vote instead.
At no point did I suggest that he (or anyone else) was scummy, merely that (by necessity in a multi-faction game like this) his motives cannot possibly be as pure as he claims.
Then the same question I asked earlier of everyone still stands.
Why are you just talking about his play and expressing no read whatsoever?
He's posted approximately a metric fuckton of times and you still are only narrating his meta instead of using that to come to an actual opinion.
Due to the magic of isolating posts, a spell we recently lost as CFC:
There's nothing to be said about Barto. Two posts, one of which is a random vote and the other is apologising for not being here.
NAC hasn't posted in four days. One post was to vote for Manasi and the other was joking about it. Given that this is only my second game here, I know nothing about them and so can't venture an opinion about whether this is scummy or not. It's certainly not participating though. :no:
Al I do know a little about as he's at CFC too, but he also has only two posts, one voting for BSmith and the other apologising for being busy. I certainly can't get a scum read off that, but I have known him to favour low activity, shall we say, when not strictly necessary.
Autolycus is often Lurky McLurkyson (and is thus difficult to read), but he did say that he was going to be busy. I would also strongly recommend not killing him off for the good of France.
in my experience NAC feels a compulsive need to solve as town
never seen him wolf i don't tnhink
Why are you just talking about his play and expressing no read whatsoever?
That's basically what I do. I'm really, really terrible at magically picking out reads from what people type, which is why I always come over super-awkwardly at the start and (usually) get better towards the end. Now, on balance, I think he's likely not to be a Royalist, but that's not saying an awful lot.
Host note:
Due to DST, the timer for Day 2 has been altered. As I am now in EDT as opposed to EST, it is possible that the phase will end an hour earlier than some of you were expecting it to.
Post 2 of this thread and all tallies going forth will carry the updated timer. The Night 1 writeup and previous tallies will NOT.
-edit- GMT-4 as opposed to GMT-5 for those so inclined.
So, to be clear, does it end at 12:00 PM in GMT -4 or 1:00 PM in GMT -4?
I was waiting for a better option. Recall how I nudged Renata to commit to a counterwagon. I would have gone with Csargo, but by 2 hours before EOD perhaps only an Arakhor CFD would have been possible, had I pushed hard. Also, I was hoping that my faction would show up in force (they didn't) to vote DP or Renata.
You didn't consider Manasi or Arakhor a better option, then?
I'm not really a fan of all this nudging of others you were doing, it sounds like what a Royalist might do if he wanted to subtly push others to save his scummates without getting his hands dirty, and it would have given you the option of waiting as long as you could to see if your vote would make a difference in saving Jabbz.
That's basically what I do. I'm really, really terrible at magically picking out reads from what people type, which is why I always come over super-awkwardly at the start and (usually) get better towards the end. Now, on balance, I think he's likely not to be a Royalist, but that's not saying an awful lot.
:stare:
ok.
Ofc I wasn't an option I'm the most cleared person in the game.
:bounce:
Due to the magic of isolating posts, a spell we recently lost as CFC:
It's actually not gone, just moved- the Search Function can still search a thread for all posts by a user.
The thing that let us see how much all posters posted in a thread, though, that's gone as far as I can tell.
I don't know Seireikhaan from Adam (or Eve!), but they've only posted four times (the last of which was three days ago): a vote for NAC, some back-and-forth with Renata and then the successful vote on Jabbz. He's unlikely to be a Royalist, I feel, but he's also sadly absent of late.
Sooh had three votes on Snerk, Zack and Barto, as well as a comment on last night's activities, which apparently passed unnoticed, unlike mine. ~:rolleyes: Other than that, she's said hardly anything, so, meh?
I don't have anything much on Lewwyn, but he says he's been ill. Not really a good time for many people right now, it seems!
I wish that we had fewer lurkers. It just feels like all the wagons are on the inactive people (or less active people), and there are too many of them to sort through. Haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to change my vote however.
BSmith voted for Al and then for Manasi and confirmed his vote on Manasi as self-preservation. That's it. I don't know if anyone else can scum-read zero useful posts otherwise, but I certainly can't.
Atheotes, Choxorn and Csargo actually have a bunch of posts that can't be read straight off the iso-search, so that'll take longer. (They're also the only others below 20 posts.)
Going to do a quick catch up
on top of my head the following are unlikely to be scum:
manasi
zack
pizza
and likely others who voted on the jabbz wagon on d1, just because of lynch result
Atheotes had votes on Renata and Pizza early on, threw some shade at Montmorency (I believe that's the term), claimed that Lewwyn might be town and Barto scum, then disappeared for 3.5 days, because of course. Half the Convention is either ill, lurking or straight-up dead.
Going to do a quick catch up
A wild NAC appears! (I have never played Pokémon in my life.)
I wish that we had fewer lurkers. It just feels like all the wagons are on the inactive people (or less active people), and there are too many of them to sort through. Haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to change my vote however.
Well, you're the only one who can change your vote, so it seems a bit silly to complain and then not do that.
Csargo spent several posts on fluff and non-voting on Day 1, voted for Snerk for protecting Jabbz, discussed yesterday's voting a bit more, then voted for Autolycus and then NAC. I get a townish vibe from him, to be fair.
Choxorn joke-voted for Monstr, commented on ATPG being ATPG, then voted for Csargo and had a bunch of nonsense stuff. Then he had three good posts (556 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741568&viewfull=1#post2053741568), 559 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741571&viewfull=1#post2053741571) and 565 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152551-French-Revolution-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053741577&viewfull=1#post2053741577)), proving that he is still much better at this than me. I would like to think that Choxorn is town and, so far, it doesn't look like I'll be disappointed.
Atheotes had votes on Renata and Pizza early on, threw some shade at Montmorency (I believe that's the term), claimed that Lewwyn might be town and Barto scum, then disappeared for 3.5 days, because of course. Half the Convention is either ill, lurking or straight-up dead.
A wild NAC appears! (I have never played Pokémon in my life.)
Well, you're the only one who can change your vote, so it seems a bit silly to complain and then not do that.
I'm annoyed not because I think lurker lynches are bad, but because... I dunno. I feel that in a game where the ordinary D1 mislynch went off, we would have a lot more options for trying to find scum by trying to figure out who caused the mislynch. However, when the D1 lynch is good, instead of a bunch of potential scumpoints all we get are some cleared townies, which means that there are few high-profile people to try and hunt, so we are forced to go for those who didn't push as hard, if that makes sense at all.
Going to do a quick catch up
on top of my head the following are unlikely to be scum:
manasi
zack
pizza
and likely others who voted on the jabbz wagon on d1, just because of lynch result
Wow. Safe reads are safe reads. I could have come up with that list (and that's not a compliment). That's all you could manage after four days away?
I don't know if that's lazy or scummy and I'd rather not see Autolycus just yet, so vote: NotACop.
I'm annoyed not because I think lurker lynches are bad, but because... I dunno. I feel that in a game where the ordinary D1 mislynch went off, we would have a lot more options for trying to find scum by trying to figure out who caused the mislynch. However, when the D1 lynch is good, instead of a bunch of potential scumpoints all we get are some cleared townies, which means that there are few high-profile people to try and hunt, so we are forced to go for those who didn't push as hard, if that makes sense at all.
You say that like lynching a scum day 1 and clearing a bunch of townies is a bad thing.
However, when the D1 lynch is good, instead of a bunch of potential scumpoints all we get are some cleared townies, which means that there are few high-profile people to try and hunt, so we are forced to go for those who didn't push as hard, if that makes sense at all.
It does and I agree with you, especially in a game with attrition as high as it is right now. All I can say is that I wasn't really participating and I should have been, so I've been making up for it now. :whip:
You say that like lynching a scum day 1 and clearing a bunch of townies is a bad thing.
Well, it is in as much as people often get less focussed and take their collective eye off the ball. Killing scum is always good, of course, but lots of cleared townies can sometimes lead to sheeping, which is not good.
This is coming from a mechanical understanding, not my personal read. It's important he not die. Renata
I see it.
I don't know if that's lazy or scummy and I'd rather not see Autolycus just yet, so vote: NotACop.
I should proofread my own posts more (and I say that as someone who should really know better).
"...I'd rather not see Autolycus die just yet..."
I'm annoyed not because I think lurker lynches are bad, but because... I dunno. I feel that in a game where the ordinary D1 mislynch went off, we would have a lot more options for trying to find scum by trying to figure out who caused the mislynch. However, when the D1 lynch is good, instead of a bunch of potential scumpoints all we get are some cleared townies, which means that there are few high-profile people to try and hunt, so we are forced to go for those who didn't push as hard, if that makes sense at all.
What do you mean? Two more wolves were killed last night. The first dead wolf always opens the game up, sooner the better.
Tally as of post 626.
autolycus: 3 | Renata (518), Snerk (520), Csargo (593)
Arakhor: 2 | Dp101 (532), ATPG (577)
NotACop: 2 | Zack (544), Manasi (625)
Montmorency: 1 | autolycus (594)
Round ends:
Please note the change due to DST taking effect in the USA.
I voted NAC @ GeneralHankerchief.
"...I'd rather not see Autolycus die just yet..."
Because you don't think he's scummy, or because you don't want to lynch your faction mate?
You say that like lynching a scum day 1 and clearing a bunch of townies is a bad thing.
I mean, it is nice indeed to have gotten so many mafia so far, but the problem is that it doesn't seem to really lead anywhere afterwards. When mafia die so early, combined with the faction setup, the amount of spew you can get out of them is minimal at best.
Here's my note from doing a quick read of the game, including my vote for today. Could seem like I'm getting lynched today, which I'm not surprised by, as people know me as an active town player and a lurking scum player. But at least I have done something now lol.
townies:
Manasi
Zack
Askthepizzaguy
towards town:
Montmorency
Renata
atheotes
seireikhaan
Snerk
Choxorn
mildly towny:
Arakhor
Sooh
Lewwyn
Csargo
no feel either way(based on amount of town reads, I'm fine seeing lynch go here):
BSmith(was voted by Kagemusha D1 near some time before EOD, while he was a somewhat viable lynch - but his own vote on Manasi late D1 seemed reasoned in a suspicious way)
autolycus
Al Sipsclar
El Barto
towards scum:
Dp101 - dislike the #245 read on Jabbz "Jabbz feels really stilted but that's normal for him". Weird to notice someone seems stilted, wanting to address it, and then nullifying it by saying it's normal for someone. Why mention it at all then?
+ #281 "I want to call this scummy, but I know that Jabbz is perfectly capable of being this awkward as town." while he quotes a bad post from Jabbz where Jabbz unvotes and complains about actually having to find a real vote now.
It does look good that he voted Jabbz at last minutes of d1 EOD over Manasi, so that makes me hesitate a bit. But Jabbz seemed like someone struggling to look towny, so wouldn't be surprised of bussing.
So I'll vote Dp101. Not all sure on this, fwiw - but
dead scum:
Jabbz
Monstrdude
Kagemusha
dead town:
Fenn
Logic
forgot ending my sentence on voting dp101.
should had said "but he's my best guess and also the more fun one(as his vote on Jabbz is counter intuitive for him being scum)."
will format correctly
vote: Dp101
I mean, it is nice indeed to have gotten so many mafia so far, but the problem is that it doesn't seem to really lead anywhere afterwards. When mafia die so early, combined with the faction setup, the amount of spew you can get out of them is minimal at best.
We'll see about that ;) at least, my vote on you is based on your own comments to a flipped scum
no one around it seems. you can have some music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mojL3wAfuCA
Dp101 - dislike the #245 read on Jabbz "Jabbz feels really stilted but that's normal for him". Weird to notice someone seems stilted, wanting to address it, and then nullifying it by saying it's normal for someone. Why mention it at all then?
+ #281 "I want to call this scummy, but I know that Jabbz is perfectly capable of being this awkward as town." while he quotes a bad post from Jabbz where Jabbz unvotes and complains about actually having to find a real vote now.
It does look good that he voted Jabbz at last minutes of d1 EOD over Manasi, so that makes me hesitate a bit. But Jabbz seemed like someone struggling to look towny, so wouldn't be surprised of bussing.
So I'll vote Dp101. Not all sure on this, fwiw - but
The 245 post was made because I wanted to avoid a potential mislynch, as I had not seen anything alignment indicative in his play so far and I've played with him more than the majority of people here. Sure, in the end, it was the wrong move, but I felt that I had to say something at that juncture as I had just seen him get mislynched D1 on another site after behaving in a similar pattern. Same goes for 281, that kind of half-joking self deprecating style of post is well within his town range, and I again felt I needed to note for others that a post like that did not mean that he had to be scum. Do you have any other questions?
Aw dude I love that song.
Aw dude I love that song.
This is probs my fav by them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWBG1j_flrg
El Barto
03-13-2017, 00:59
Nothing more to say, have you?
Non, Choxorn, mon cher, je n'ai rien plus que dir.
He seemed more than willing to see El Barto or Snerk dead.
I disagree with this. The former part at least.
I'm thinking this part is genuine. El Barto hasn't cleared himself by his own merits, but it's looking pretty good that he's not a royalist anyway.
With this post I increase my total postcount by 50% (not even you can do that) so I'm giving you a lot of material to analyse.
Nac hasn't posted this phase, everyone said it was a good vote, but no one has joined me. Hmmmmm.
vote: NotACop
Non, Choxorn, mon cher, je n'ai rien plus que dir.
I disagree with this. The former part at least.
With this post I increase my total postcount by 50% (not even you can do that) so I'm giving you a lot of material to analyse.
vote: NotACop
Well this is funny, isn't it?
NAC just posted a lot above. What do you think of that?
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2017, 01:02
I voted NAC @ GeneralHankerchief.
Got it, added to my spreadsheet. Next tally will include it.
Choxorn 1:00 PM GMT-4
There was a post Zack edited several hours ago, it checks out.
Think that's everything, tag me if something else is pressing.
El Barto
03-13-2017, 01:04
Well this is funny, isn't it?
NAC just posted a lot above. What do you think of that?
Posts such as #661? Complete fluff. Clutters the thread.
Posts such as #661? Complete fluff. Clutters the thread.
What about 657, with a case on me?
El Barto
03-13-2017, 01:10
He ‘clarifies’ it saying that it's the ‘more fun’ option, which takes any seriousness out of it.
It just feels like the comment about how brutal it is towards the royalists is something that scum is more likely to say compared to town. Or rather, phrasing it as brutality rather than as something to be celebrated. I know I've made similar tonal slips in the past as mafia.
:book2:
I mean, it is nice indeed to have gotten so many mafia so far, but the problem is that it doesn't seem to really lead anywhere afterwards. When mafia die so early, combined with the faction setup, the amount of spew you can get out of them is minimal at best.
I'm annoyed not because I think lurker lynches are bad, but because... I dunno. I feel that in a game where the ordinary D1 mislynch went off, we would have a lot more options for trying to find scum by trying to figure out who caused the mislynch. However, when the D1 lynch is good, instead of a bunch of potential scumpoints all we get are some cleared townies, which means that there are few high-profile people to try and hunt, so we are forced to go for those who didn't push as hard, if that makes sense at all.
Posts such as #661? Complete fluff. Clutters the thread.
Could you possibly answer this more disingenuously?
like, you're going to just cherry-pick that one post and completely ignore the huge post where he reads the entire game?
he's done a HELL of a lot more than you
Vote: El Barto
tfw you voted for this guy right after posting the question to him but you forgot to post it so now it'll seem like you're literally always sheeping zack.
tfw you voted for this guy right after posting the question to him but you forgot to post it so now it'll seem like you're literally always sheeping zack.
https://i.imgur.com/JTIwwWW.png
The 245 post was made because I wanted to avoid a potential mislynch, as I had not seen anything alignment indicative in his play so far and I've played with him more than the majority of people here. Sure, in the end, it was the wrong move, but I felt that I had to say something at that juncture as I had just seen him get mislynched D1 on another site after behaving in a similar pattern. Same goes for 281, that kind of half-joking self deprecating style of post is well within his town range, and I again felt I needed to note for others that a post like that did not mean that he had to be scum. Do you have any other questions?
those weren't questions, was simply stating my reasoning.
seeing el barto's way of jumping on my wagon right now and his response when asked into opinion of my case post makes me feel he'd be a fine lynch.
vote: el barto
He ‘clarifies’ it saying that it's the ‘more fun’ option, which takes any seriousness out of it.
this is a non-answer to what he thinks of my post. he just comments that my case doesn't look serious, not what it means for his impression of my alignment.
https://i.imgur.com/JTIwwWW.png
don't u fuckin post that picture to me how dare you
autolycus
03-13-2017, 01:22
I'd like to see unvote, vote: Sooh go on the record. I'll check again in the morning, and assuming Sooh's taken a position, I'll make a decision among the likely candidates at that time.
El Barto
03-13-2017, 01:23
Could you possibly answer this more disingenuously?
Are you daring me?
This is probs my fav by them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWBG1j_flrg
that one is solid too! mostly just those two songs I've been listening to from them
don't u fuckin post that picture to me how dare you
https://i.imgur.com/3KZigKw.jpg
Because you don't think he's scummy, or because you don't want to lynch your faction mate?
Well, I already said that he was being Lurky McLurkyson and that it would be bad for him to die today, so no, I don't want to lurk a fellow faction member if I can help it, but no, I have no view on his scumminess as he's done almost at all.
As for Barto, he's often cagey and unhelpful and gets mislynched because of it, but this is particularly unhelpful of him.
Phone posting is really terrible at the Org. ~:(
El Barto
03-13-2017, 02:04
You're posting from a phone?
unvote
FishFingerOfSuspicion: Arakhor
When I'm not on the PC, yes.
El Barto
03-13-2017, 02:17
:stare:
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2017, 02:33
Tally as of post 687. Please inform me of any errors.
NotACop: 3 | Csargo (615), Manasi (625), Arakhor (647)
autolycus: 2 | Renata (518), Csargo (593)
Arakhor: 2 | Dp101 (532), ATPG (577)
Sooh: 2 | Snerk (628), autolycus (679)
El Barto: 2 | Zack (674), NotACop (677)
Round ends:
1:00 PM EDT, not EST. 1:00 PM GMT -4, not -5. Stupid daylight savings.
seireikhaan
03-13-2017, 02:39
Hello again everyone, and welcome back to day two of "The Joys of Lynching". Last time we nabbed ourselves a royalist, an excellent start. I'm going to go ahead this round and Vote: Dp101. Now, I've played my share as mafia in the past, and especially with results on death, I can tell you that DP's vote at the end of the day doesn't look great to me. Some might call it a sealing vote for a royalist, but to me, that looks like a good old fashioned, meaningless late bus to try and give some cover.
Hello again everyone, and welcome back to day two of "The Joys of Lynching". Last time we nabbed ourselves a royalist, an excellent start. I'm going to go ahead this round and Vote: Dp101. Now, I've played my share as mafia in the past, and especially with results on death, I can tell you that DP's vote at the end of the day doesn't look great to me. Some might call it a sealing vote for a royalist, but to me, that looks like a good old fashioned, meaningless late bus to try and give some cover.
It does seem weird given his earlier comments on Jabbz that NAC pointed out (numerous instances of "awkward but town" or something to that effect). I also wonder if Dp might be a bit jumpy about d1 wolf wagons after the recent game.
why am i still on NAC
feelsbadman
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Hello again everyone, and welcome back to day two of "The Joys of Lynching". Last time we nabbed ourselves a royalist, an excellent start. I'm going to go ahead this round and Vote: Dp101. Now, I've played my share as mafia in the past, and especially with results on death, I can tell you that DP's vote at the end of the day doesn't look great to me. Some might call it a sealing vote for a royalist, but to me, that looks like a good old fashioned, meaningless late bus to try and give some cover.
If it is solely the vote timing that worries me, I made that vote a good 5 minutes after I woke up, there was no tactical reasoning behind making it then.
Here's my note from doing a quick read of the game, including my vote for today. Could seem like I'm getting lynched today, which I'm not surprised by, as people know me as an active town player and a lurking scum player. But at least I have done something now lol.
townies:
Manasi
Zack
Askthepizzaguy
towards town:
Montmorency
Renata
atheotes
seireikhaan
Snerk
Choxorn
mildly towny:
Arakhor
Sooh
Lewwyn
Csargo
no feel either way(based on amount of town reads, I'm fine seeing lynch go here):
BSmith(was voted by Kagemusha D1 near some time before EOD, while he was a somewhat viable lynch - but his own vote on Manasi late D1 seemed reasoned in a suspicious way)
autolycus
Al Sipsclar
El Barto
towards scum:
Dp101 - dislike the #245 read on Jabbz "Jabbz feels really stilted but that's normal for him". Weird to notice someone seems stilted, wanting to address it, and then nullifying it by saying it's normal for someone. Why mention it at all then?
+ #281 "I want to call this scummy, but I know that Jabbz is perfectly capable of being this awkward as town." while he quotes a bad post from Jabbz where Jabbz unvotes and complains about actually having to find a real vote now.
It does look good that he voted Jabbz at last minutes of d1 EOD over Manasi, so that makes me hesitate a bit. But Jabbz seemed like someone struggling to look towny, so wouldn't be surprised of bussing.
So I'll vote Dp101. Not all sure on this, fwiw - but
dead scum:
Jabbz
Monstrdude
Kagemusha
dead town:
Fenn
Logic
I can't even...
seireikhaan
03-13-2017, 03:21
If it is solely the vote timing that worries me, I made that vote a good 5 minutes after I woke up, there was no tactical reasoning behind making it then.
Well not to be the bearer of bad news, but the timing speaks for itself. Even if this was a rock solid stroke of logic, it wouldn't mean a whole lot because the actual vote speaks a heckuva lot louder.
Well not to be the bearer of bad news, but the timing speaks for itself. Even if this was a rock solid stroke of logic, it wouldn't mean a whole lot because the actual vote speaks a heckuva lot louder.
So what, because the EOD happens to be about 15 minutes after I wake up on a weekday you have concluded that I have to be mafia since that's the only reason I would vote that then?
I disagree with this. The former part at least.
What makes you disagree with it? Are you also in Renata and Monstr's faction and got a different impression from Monstr's posts?
With this post I increase my total postcount by 50% (not even you can do that) so I'm giving you a lot of material to analyse.
That's extremely disingenuous, and you know it. 4 sentences isn't a lot of material to analyze.
vote: NotACop
Wow, such sheeping.
He ‘clarifies’ it saying that it's the ‘more fun’ option, which takes any seriousness out of it.
You're criticizing someone for not being serious enough?
Hello? Kettle? This is Pot, I'm calling to tell you that you're black.
You're posting from a phone?
unvote
FishFingerOfSuspicion: Arakhor
That stopped being even remotely meaningful years ago, and you know it.
Also, unvoting and not revoting but throwing an FoS out? What are you trying to pull here?
Did anybody post anything about Jabbz QT activity?
Anyway. Not much to report on. Quick summary of posts with relevant content:
(paraphrasing from QT like this is within the rules, right?)
Mentioned that he didn't want to argue with Zack this game.
Says he'd might want to vote for Monty is he was in a different faction.
Claims Monty is leaning on him in public. Monty says this isn't the case. Jabbz makes excuse for being inaccurate.
Town lean on Renata. Thinks Ranata-Pizza are faction buddies.
Doesn't like Zack's defence of Manasi.
Jabbz then goes schtum for the rest of the day.
You missed something. In response to a comment I made about possibly 1 royalist per faction, Jabbz made a point to suggest that the royalists were spread randomly throughout the groups and that there were multiple royalists in some groups.
like, you're going to just cherry-pick that one post and completely ignore the huge post where he reads the entire game?
he's done a HELL of a lot more than you
I don't think El Barto was cherry picking. I also think that Nac's huge post does not really equate to a lot. He didn't read the whole game... He gave a list of people without any real reasons as to why he felt that way. I feel like that is very easy for scum to do. I mean he literally listed who was dead.
Now he didn't just end there so I'm not voting for him now. His activity has continued which is a good sign.
Now, hostility escalated quite quickly, defensively, deflectively.
Vote: El Barto
Montmorency
03-13-2017, 04:33
You didn't consider Manasi or Arakhor a better option, then?
Manasi was contested by Renata, of course. She aggressively came out in her favor, remember? Arakhor, because I didn't really want to lynch Arakhor.
I'm not really a fan of all this nudging of others you were doing, it sounds like what a Royalist might do if he wanted to subtly push others to save his scummates without getting his hands dirty, and it would have given you the option of waiting as long as you could to see if your vote would make a difference in saving Jabbz.
thatstheidea.aiff :grin:
I disagree with this. The former part at least.
On what grounds, Bart?
I can't say I'm disheartened by bloods keeping at DP. Also heartening in that, if I had to lynch one person from my faction, it would be Khaan, so m/t or w/v is a nice scenario.
not sheeping I swear omg
Vote: El Barto
Gn threado.
I don't think El Barto was cherry picking. I also think that Nac's huge post does not really equate to a lot. He didn't read the whole game... He gave a list of people without any real reasons as to why he felt that way. I feel like that is very easy for scum to do. I mean he literally listed who was dead.
Now he didn't just end there so I'm not voting for him now. His activity has continued which is a good sign.
Now, hostility escalated quite quickly, defensively, deflectively.
Vote: El Barto
I don't follow your logic here at all. First you don't want to vote for El Barto, then you do, just a few minutes later? And I'm having trouble understanding what that first sentence is saying.
What changed to make you shift so suddenly?
Manasi was contested by Renata, of course. She aggressively came out in her favor, remember? Arakhor, because I didn't really want to lynch Arakhor.
Why?
thatstheidea.aiff :grin:
:stare:
not sheeping I swear omg
Vote: El Barto
Gn threado.
ditto
Vote: El Barto
I don't follow your logic here at all. First you don't want to vote for El Barto, then you do, just a few minutes later? And I'm having trouble understanding what that first sentence is saying.
What changed to make you shift so suddenly?
I think he was more attacking NAC than defending Tak.
Montmorency
03-13-2017, 04:58
Help us, Askthepizzaguy
I think he was more attacking NAC than defending Tak.
I guess, but I'm still struggling to see how his second post logically follows from his first post. Maybe I'm just not interpreting what he said correctly.
Did anyone ever post about the Populist activities last night?
Montmorency
03-13-2017, 05:29
Did anyone ever post about the Populist activities last night?
Zack says tomorrow.
Did anyone ever post about the Populist activities last night?
I don't think anyone posted about any of their activities, other than to claim responsibility for the vig kills.
Montmorency
03-13-2017, 05:36
I don't think anyone posted about any of their activities, other than to claim responsibility for the vig kills.
Pizza
I assigned Al to kill Monstrdude. I was hoping that particular choice would be unpredictable, so the vig wouldn't be anticipated, and even if it was, it wouldn't be blocked by a roleblocker, only protected by some other faction.
I named Kagemusha as the one to protect me, because I figured there would be a chance some action would be taken against me that night. I wanted to live to tell about it.
I used a watch on Al, who had been trending up for me anyway.
I don't think anyone posted about any of their activities, other than to claim responsibility for the vig kills.
That's something.
Zack says tomorrow.
No I didn't.
I don't follow your logic here at all. First you don't want to vote for El Barto, then you do, just a few minutes later? And I'm having trouble understanding what that first sentence is saying.
What changed to make you shift so suddenly?
No shift. First post is an impression of Zack's perception of NAC and my opinions on NAC.
Second post my reading of El Barto.
I also reread the last 4 pages in between those posts so that may account for what you're seeing in regards towards El Barto. I posted first with him as null, went back and read before commenting on El Barto.
Ah. Now I understand. That makes sense, I've done things like that before. My bad for misinterpreting your posts. :bow:
Al Sipsclar
03-13-2017, 07:55
Arrêtez les suspects habituels!
khaan town for calling out Jabbz
ATPG for breaking the tie with Jabbz and suggesting to vig Monstr
lewwyn for disagreeing with Jabbz an being first on his wagon
Renata
Manasi
Zack
Monty for in the thread work and claiming Logic vig
BSmith for being voted over Jabbz by Kage
choxorn for putting in work
Arakhor for showing some work
NAC lean town for reads post
Csargo - tone
Atheotes - tone
Snerk - Monty putting in a good word and Renata conveying Monstr spew. Otherwise, he's just un sale collaborationniste avec Jabbz.
Sooh - null
El Barto - nul et non avenu
Autolycus - counterwagoning on BSmith. However, Zack wants him to live.
Dp101 - for bussing Jabbz at the last moment
Vote: Dp101
WHat the hell do you want me to say? I woke up 5 minutes before EOD, saw that my faction mate was second and that they made a post I didn't think they would make as mafia, and voted the counterwagon! Seriously, do you lot expect me to vote in my sleep or something? Cause every single one of these scumreads is focused on when I voted, which was entirely due to out of game factors like where I live.
Al Sipsclar
03-13-2017, 08:23
You didn't have to vote. Heck, you even didn't have to wake up. Honnête citoyens are fast asleep at that ungodly hour.
You didn't have to vote. Heck, you even didn't have to wake up. Honnête citoyens are fast asleep at that ungodly hour.
So what you are saying is that I would be less scummy if I didn't try? Of course I had to vote, a mislynch was in danger of occuring. Should I have just sat back and done nothing? And besides (aned Lewwyn can confirm this in the games we have played together), I never bus, and have defended my teammates in even the most impossible of situations. Why would I vote my scumbuddy when things were eminently swingable on D1?
Oh, and voting the other wagon when the wagons are W/W on D1 last game does not count as bussing.
So what you are saying is that I would be less scummy if I didn't try? Of course I had to vote, a mislynch was in danger of occuring. Should I have just sat back and done nothing? And besides (aned Lewwyn can confirm this in the games we have played together), I never bus, and have defended my teammates in even the most impossible of situations. Why would I vote my scumbuddy when things were eminently swingable on D1?
Eh, never say never friend. That sort of thing comes back to haunt.
Do NOT vote Dp. There is no way on god's green earth that he is mafia..
I am seriously about to shoot someone on his wagon.
The guy thought in our QT right before Jabbz got lynched that Jabbz was probably town, and voted him anyway for factional reasons. There is no way that a bussing teammate says what he did as casually as he did.
I can't even...
I know. NAC's post is horrible.
It's probably just him and Sooh. There is no excuse whatsoever for townreading her after that incredibly awkward "we must be close to eliminating the royalists, wow!" post at start of day, that being her ONLY post today.
vote: El Barto
Temporary. I don't think he's scum but based on comments and thought process in our QT there is no way on god's green earth that Dp is and he's my faction-mate. And he hammered a scum for Pete's sake. That's a lot more than El Barto has to his name.
Once GH does a vote count I will probably move it. I'd like to lynch NAC or Sooh.
those weren't questions, was simply stating my reasoning.
seeing el barto's way of jumping on my wagon right now and his response when asked into opinion of my case post makes me feel he'd be a fine lynch.
vote: el barto
this is a non-answer to what he thinks of my post. he just comments that my case doesn't look serious, not what it means for his impression of my alignment.
This is not good either. You've got a whole case on Dp and you jump off given the tiniest pressure only to hop onto a weak OMGUS instead? You say you've read the thread; you somehow missed that Monstrdude was happy to see ElBarto dead?
Montmorency
03-13-2017, 11:40
DP isn't as clear as he might have been through the EOD events, but there aren't many good reasons to be voting him right now.
Once GH does a vote count I will probably move it. I'd like to lynch NAC or Sooh.
Here's what I have, GH will have to confirm it's accurate (I went from his last tally and changed it based on votes I saw in the two pages since then):
El Barto: 6 | Zack (674), NotACop (677), Lewwyn (700), Manasi (702), Dp101 (704), Renata (724)
Sooh: 3 | Snerk (628), autolycus (679), Csargo (691)
Dp101: 2 | Seireikhaan (689), Al Sipsclar (716)
autolycus: 2 | Renata (518), Csargo (593)
Arakhor: 2 | Dp101 (532), ATPG (577)
NotACop: 1 | Arakhor (647)
I was already not seeing the case on Dp before you posted, so I'm with you on not lynching him.
ATPG for breaking the tie with Jabbz and suggesting to vig Monstr
Dp101 - for bussing Jabbz at the last moment
Vote: Dp101
Why isn't Pizza's vote equally bussy as Dp's? I mean, scums would have seen the suspicion piling on Jabbz, and with all the vigs in this game why not just put in a last minute buss in for good measure.
Orchestrating a vig on Monstr certainly works in Pizza's favour but has this actually been confirmed by faction members?
Thanks choxorn.
unvote: El Barto
vote: sooh
I'd assume someone on the faction would speak up if it wasn't true, don't you think? My only real concern about Pizza is that he's going to curbstomp all the rest of us once it gets down to that final scum or no scum left at all. Because that's what he does.
If it was an outright lie then yes. If it's a half truth and in reality Pizza was just covering his bases, then faction members could think it not worth going out with a FoS on him.
atheotes
03-13-2017, 12:03
sorry for the rather long absence. As we are doing pretty well without my help i dont feel as bad.
we are down to the last royalist? Any cliffs for the day so far?
sorry for the rather long absence. As we are doing pretty well without my help i dont feel as bad.
we are down to the last royalist? Any cliffs for the day so far?
What makes you say we're down to the last royalist? The number of them wasn't specified in the setup, as far as I can tell.
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 12:06
Help us, @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
Pfft, every time people talk about me I just get more and more pissed off.
atheotes
03-13-2017, 12:11
What makes you say we're down to the last royalist? The number of them wasn't specified in the setup, as far as I can tell.
its a qn...anyways 4 seem a likely number in my head, probably influenced by the number of factions. thinking abt it, maybe it needs to be 5-6 for balance....may be 5 taking into account the inter factional skirmishes
Pfft, every time people talk about me I just get more and more pissed off.
So you are Sylvi Listhaug now?
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 12:20
For the record, I've not really seen any reason not to lynch Dp101.
I'm only going off of Lewyyn and other's reads on him. Personally, I'd lynch him dead today. I'm not going to, but I'm voicing my concern.
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 12:23
Not in favor of El Barto lynch based on Monstr's behavior toward him.
Auto can be the lynch or vig shot. Not sure anything is there but he's not doing anything.
Arakhor I'd prioritize over Auto but that's just me.
NAC has been busy, so I get votes on him. I'm not going to join in.
Sooh's been busy but she should have more posts by now if she were a townie. Can't hold my tongue any more on that front.
atheotes
03-13-2017, 12:38
going to sheep the read above
Vote: Sooh
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 12:48
I think people are valuing reputation in games where I've actually been scum over actual decisions I've made this game, and that's where the frustration comes in.
Unless people somehow think I ganked two teammates in one round, kindly shut it about my motives or just declare war on my faction.
I'm hunting scums. Until I do anything otherwise, you're blowing smoke in my face and it's really annoying.
Montmorency
03-13-2017, 12:50
I assume you don't want the burden of even more power, right?
Don't like atheotes' last few posts at all. His comments on the numbers of royalists sounded very weird, maybe a scumslip, his sheep-vote of Sooh is an extremely low-effort vote, and his posts just generally give me a very scummy vibe.
Vote: atheotes
I might change my vote if I wake up before the day ends, depends on what happens while I'm asleep.
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 12:53
I assume you don't want the burden of even more power, right?
Hell no. I feel I've made a decent contribution to this game, but the game gets boring if it's only sheep pizza time, for everyone and for me.
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2017, 12:58
Announcement:
Effective immediately, Winston Hughes has replaced Sooh.
Do not discuss substitutions.
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Will update Post 2 and do a tally when I get a minute, but for now Barto and Sooh/Winston are tied with five votes each by my count.
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 13:04
Maybe it's sheep choxorn time. Dude needs to have his shot at glory and I trust his motives.
Unvote, vote: atheotes
There are only two people in my faction that I would ever consider lynching because they might be scum. Atheotes is one of them.
The other's been largely absent.
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2017, 13:13
Tally as of post 744. Please correct me if I missed something.
Winston Hughes: 5 | Snerk (628), autolycus (679), Csargo (690), Renata (729), atheotes (738)
El Barto: 5 | Zack (674), NotACop (677), Lewwyn (700), Manasi (702), Dp101 (704)
atheotes: 2 | Choxon (741), ATPG (744)
Dp101: 2 | seireikhaan (689), Al Sipsclar (716)
autolycus: 1 | Csargo (593)
NotACop: 1 | Arakhor (647)
Round ends:
-edit- Post 2 has been updated with the substitution announcement.
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 13:16
Csargo listed twice, GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2017, 13:20
Corrected tally:
Winston Hughes: 5 | Snerk (628), autolycus (679), Csargo (690), Renata (729), atheotes (738)
El Barto: 5 | Zack (674), NotACop (677), Lewwyn (700), Manasi (702), Dp101 (704)
atheotes: 2 | Choxon (741), ATPG (744)
Dp101: 2 | seireikhaan (689), Al Sipsclar (716)
NotACop: 1 | Arakhor (647)
Round ends:
Montmorency
03-13-2017, 13:22
Aren't I still voting Arakhor?
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2017, 13:22
Winston Hughes: 5 | Snerk (628), autolycus (679), Csargo (690), Renata (729), atheotes (738)
El Barto: 5 | Zack (674), NotACop (677), Lewwyn (700), Manasi (702), Dp101 (704)
atheotes: 2 | Choxorn (741), ATPG (744)
Dp101: 2 | seireikhaan (689), Al Sipsclar (716)
NotACop: 1 | Arakhor (647)
Above tally may not be correct, just highlighting names.
This is where I'm at on people.
Since peeps are vouching for dp101's townie-ness, given the above listed options, I'm not voting for El Barto for the reason that's been repeatedly stated, and I'm not a fan of NotACop lynch. He'd make a minimum effort as scum, I've never seen him just abandon his faction or his scum team. I'd lynch dp to scratch my curiosity but probably not over the loud objections of others I trust. I can't comment on Sooh/WH because they haven't done anything. Maybe because they couldn't do anything.
I'm greedy. I want to kill a scumbag that's actually wriggling. I don't care if it's risky for me or my faction. If 2 randed into my faction, then my faction would generally lose the game anyway unless they directed kills outside of it a lot.
I also like to take hero shots, ask Monstrdude. So lets just say choxorn's boldness appeals to me.
Announcement:
Effective immediately, Winston Hughes has replaced Sooh.
Do not discuss substitutions.
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Will update Post 2 and do a tally when I get a minute, but for now Barto and Sooh/Winston are tied with five votes each by my count.
Lol. Welcome, Winston! :laugh4:
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