The Godfather, Part 2 [Concluded]

[Silver Rusher]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

First Guild mafia game ever to reach 1,000 posts! :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

[Kommodus]

Well, that's it. I've really gotta hand it to the mafia boys Husar, Sasaki, and Seamus. Well played, gents, very well played.

And as for myself, well, with my own lips I've sealed my fate.

*climbs up out of lake and drowns self again*

*hangs a big sign that says "Silver Rusher" around neck and awaits Crazed Rabbit's tomato bombardment*

I'd like to say a few things:

1. GH, you played a very strange game as detective. If it hadn't been for your Ignoramus slip-up and your double investigation of Sasaki, I'd have believed you all the way through, as I did at first. And then that bogus PM from Silver... what did you expect us to make of it?

2. I did vote against Husar in the end, though it was obviously too little, too late. :shame:

3. As I said... no more psychoanalysis for me. I'm sticking with the numbers from now on. :2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

First Guild mafia game ever to reach 1,000 posts! :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

And #1000 was mine! What are the odds?

far too good :sweatdrop:


Congrats, Silver! This was the most enjoyable game of mafia yet.

[Csargo]

I hate to say it but I told you all. And since you all deserved to lose.

[Silver Rusher]

And #1000 was mine! What are the odds?

far too good :sweatdrop:


Congrats, Silver! This was the most enjoyable game of mafia yet.
Thanks.

But mine was the 1000's reply.

[Crazed Rabbit]

FOOLS! The Lot of You!
*ahem*

Great game Silver

Hmmm, seems silver pulled a fast one on us...

Oh, and Kommodus, these are coming for your face!
http://electronicintifada.net/artman/uploads/flying_tomatoes1.jpg
Leaving you looking like this...
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Crazed Rabbit

[Sigurd]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

BRAVO!!! BRAVISSIMO!!! All hail the new Godfather master!!!
Husar you are THE MAN!!!

Congratulations to Sasaki and Seamus for pulling this off...
The best Mafia game EVAR!!! :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

[Don Corleone]

I hate to say it, but I'm really not surprised. I hate to think Seamus was the other mafia grunt, but Sasaki all but told us he was. His repeated and constant insistence of disrupting every conversation, especially after he got killed confirmed him as mafia in my book.

As for Husar being the Godfather, that I didn't see.... I actually PM'd him a couple of times and revealed what I was thinking, and I really had him on my 'almost certainly innocent' list.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I TOLD YOU ALL!!!!!!

ARGGGGGH!!!

The next time I'm about to get lynched I will remind you all of this. Punks.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

All's well that ends well.

Would anybody still care to believe in my innocence? <cricket chirps>

Right then, onto the next game -- though the write-up on this should be a blast.

[Csargo]

I guess your games up next GH should be a fun one. SR can't wait for the write up from you it's sure to be interesting.

[Don Corleone]

I TOLD YOU ALL!!!!!!

ARGGGGGH!!!

The next time I'm about to get lynched I will remind you all of this. Punks.

Give it up, General Hank. No, it turns out you weren't, but "Trust me, I'm a detective, not mafia" is no guarantee at all. You and Myrdraal disclosed in a way that in my mind at least made me want to lynch you all the more, because it was so crazy. What's more, Myrdraal wasn't helping your case, disappearing for days on end. The two of you were as suspicious, if not more than Sasaki, and that's saying something.

[Dutch_guy]

Right then, onto the next game -- though the write-up on this should be a blast.

Indeed.

:balloon2:

[Silver Rusher]

Chief of Police Divine Wind woke up with a start. It had all been a dream.

"Glad to see you're awake," Husar spoke, with a bemused crowd of zombies and a few humans behind him, "but can we get on with the execution?"

DW got up to see that he had fallen asleep on a bench in the Gameroom's centre. Csar had long ago been tied up by the people. Tired and confused, DW got up. Most days he wouldn't have wanted to, but today was different. It was the deciding moment.

"People," DW standed at the podium, rubbing his eyes, "I just had a vivid dream. Husar was the Godfather, with Sasaki and Seamus as his grunts. But, thankfully it was only a dream. Now, the real culprit is about to die and the town will be saved." He turned to Csar, who was about to be executed. "Any last words, Csar?"

"Yes, many." Csar stepped up to the podium and began confessing. "I was the Godfather. I came so close to wiping you out. Until a couple of days ago, nobody had any idea who I was! It was a valiant effort by my grunts GeneralHankerchief and Myrddraal, pretending to be detectives and using reverse psychology to make me look innocent, but you people saw through it."

Csar smiled. The speech was perfectly timed. The townspeople turned to the road, where the squealing of tyres could be heard and the van marked Vincenzo's Guttering sped into view. Csar jumped...

...and landed through the van door just as it opened. It closed behind him.

Meanwhile, the zombie mafiosi GH and Myrddraal had just pulled out tommy guns and readied themselves. GH was just about to pull the trigger, before he fell flat on his front, head knocked clean off. It was Detective theRTWGuru with a baseball bat. Shortly after, his bat connected with Myrddraal's head, and he too fell flat on his face. But Csar was still escaping.

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH. The tyres on the Vincenzo's Guttering van burst, and a motorbike intercepted the vehicle from the side.

Detective Dutch_guy, still heading for the space directly in front of the van, through a sticky grenade onto it. He judged his aim and turned back. There was an explosion, and the charred corpses of Csar, Vincenzo, Gregorio and Jacopo were left in the blackened shell.

Dg and tRG both simultaneously grabbed to podium to deliver heroic speeches, when they burst into argument.

"Nice work there, stopping the zombies GH and Myrd from killing everyone."

"Yeah, you too, blowing up that speeding van. I was the detective, see, I have training in this sort of thing. But for you, an average villager, to do something like that, wow."

"Wait, what do you mean, you are the detective? I was told I was the only detective in this town!"

"You? A detective? Pssh. I'm never believing that."

They argued for a lot longer, but by this point, most of the zombies had lost interest and were heading back to their graves. All except Crazed Rabbit, who stood in silent contemplation for a long while. Before an orange hit him, and knocked his head off.

"Dead on target!" Kommodus said, chuckling to himself. CR's headless, undead body crossed its arms half in fun, and half in annoyance.

:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: REAL RESULT: CLOSE TOWNSPEOPLE VICTORY!!! :smash: :yes: ~:grouphug:

Final Status List

Dead:
Sasaki Kojiro
Masy
Big King Sanctaphrax
Csar - Mafia Godfather ~:pimp:
GeneralHankerchief - Mafia Grunt :smoking:
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Seamus Fermanagh
Byzantine Mercenary
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Xiahou
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Cowhead418
Kommodus
Dutch_guy - Detective :policeman:
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Destroyer of Hope
theRTWGuru - Detective :policeman:
Lemur
Myrddraal - Mafia Grunt :smoking:

Alive:
Husar
Divine Wind
Sigurd Fafnesbane

Heheheh... that was fun.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wait, there actually *were* two Detectives?

And I got both of 'em?

Whoaaa...

Damn, we were so close. Oh, well. Good game.

Commentary coming.

[Husar]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Luckily, I never post in the entrance hall anyway...

hey, wait a second, I was just about to play along....:sweatdrop:

Oh, and my thanks go to everyone who trusted me, my mom, my dad, my computer who never ceased to work, my internet connection which was vital in this success and of course Tosa Inu for those great forums we have here.:bow:

Husar, innocent townsperson.:smash:

[Silver Rusher]

Note on the twist, before it gets criticised: What I was aiming for with this twist was for the two detectives to reveal, but each with two completely different PM's, and so to have some conflict over it. I chose tRG first, so I gave him the immaculate, well written, well laid out and story-inclusive PM, whereas I gave Dg the sub-standard, jobsworthy, rubbishy one. It would have been quite interesting to see whether Dg actually would have revealed with such poor evidence in comparison, rather than trying to guide the people against it. Ah well. The mafia were two good, they even managed to kill off both detectives consecutively (round of applause).

[Csargo]

We were so close. SO CLOSEEEEEEEEEEEEE TO VICTORY. I blame myself though I got caught up in my own lie.

[Kommodus]

Holy flippin' CRAP! :inquisitive: :furious3: :laugh4: :wall: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Jeez Silver, you had me going there.

*jumps out of the way just as 500 pounds of tomatoes come crashing down on former location*

*takes of big "Silver Rusher" sign and stomps on it*

What've you got to say now, Mr. Rabbit? Ok, I guess I was wrong about you being the GF, but at this point can you blame me?

I was also apparently wrong to vote for Husar at the end, but, er, so were you.

Anyway, however the heck the game turned out, congratulations are in order for Silver Rusher. You narrated one heck of a game - one that will be tough to surpass. Too bad I was lynched so early (grr Sigurd). Thanks mucho! :2thumbsup:

[Ignoramus]

I knew Csar was the Godfather.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Commentary. Long.

As you can imagine, we used a lot of different strategies for the game. There was no real hierarchy - we communicated a lot, so whenever one of us thought of an idea the other two would give feedback.

This is more of a look at my strategy during the game than a commentary. As you can imagine, we (the mafia) confused the living crap out of everybody at least once a game (don't deny it :evil:).

Round 0

Csar told me in the chat (before Silver's PM had arrived) that he was the Godfather and selected Myrddraal and me as his mafiosi. I thought they were two good choices, personally. After a little bit of groaning (I thought to myself, this would be tough. I was right), I got right to work. After some talking with Myrddraal and Csar via MSN and a mIRC channel known as #Warehouse, our strategy for the first few rounds were outlined. Basically, we divided the players into three groups: Newbies (such as the Don and theRTWGuru), middle-of-the-roaders (Lemur and Sir Moody), and hardcore players (Sasaki and Sigurd).

Our goal would be to try to kill the middle-of-the-roaders, lynch the hardcores (eventually switching to one kill per round of course), and leave the poor newbies to be finished off. This strategy worked fairly well in the early rounds, as judged by the early death list.


Round 1

Lemur and UltraWar killed.

This was keeping in line with our previous strategy. The Lemur kill was particularly satisfying (yours truly wrote it), as I made it as true to the spirit of Mafias II and III as possible. It did manage to confuse some people. Hope you enjoyed it, Lemur. :laugh4:

The mafia stayed pretty much out of the limelight during this round. Csar and I abstained. Sasaki called me on my abstention, but his attention switched to other suspects.

During the runoff, we decided that it would be most advantageous if the Chief of Police stayed alive, so I voted accordingly.

Lynched: Drisos


Round 2

MRD killed.

Silver posted the kill immediately after Drisos' execution. I don't think Myrd thought that this would happen. Byzantine Mercenary *was* the original target but some comments that MRD made during the runoff made me believe that he was the Detective, and I hastily sent a PM to Silver asking him to change the target. As a bonus point, he originally left the references to Byz in, which meant more confusion for the villagers. :grin:

It was this round that Sigurd told me his suspicions of Kommodus. I happily went along, getting rid of a threat.

Executed: Kommodus


Round 3

Byzantine Mercenary and Sir Moody killed.

This time, I killed Byz. We at #Warehouse decided it was too early to start switching to one kill, but it didn't really make a difference as certain events forced us to go to one kill in the next round.

Sasaki got his traditional early lynch this round. After some deliberation, we decided to go for it. Myrddraal and I were particularly damaged by his accusations, but my long argument after his death helped nullify that, I think. Btw, I did *not* fake fatigue at that point. After the argument ended I did feel a little sick and felt no desire to take part in the next round.

Executed: Sasaki Kojiro


Round 4

theRTWGuru killed.

Guru had been making some newbie Detective mistakes, mainly mentioning the role incessantly. While he was garnering some suspicion, I didn't want to take any chances. Turns out I was right.

We had started to go to one kill this round, but it didn't fool too many people. I guess after Godfather 1 it had to be understood.

I happily sat out the round as Sigurd struck again, going after Ignoramus. I debated on trying to sway suspicion to Sigurd but when Ig named me as the Godfather (never mind that I had abstained BEFORE any of this stuff happened), and then it was probably best if I just watched Ig suicide himself. Sigurd would be taken care of soon enough, I thought.

(Although, we were a little concerned in #Warehouse that the twist was that if Ignoramus was lynched, then the game would end. We were that sure that Iggy wasn't just being dumb. I even sent Silver an embarrassing PM detailing my worries.)

Executed: Ignoramus


Round 5

Dutch_guy killed.

I can't remember why I killed Dutch. I do remember thinking of going for Sigurd just to confuse everybody, but it never materialized. (Although now I'm glad I did, but he definitely didn't seem Detective-ish.)

I was starting to get worried about our original strategy at this point. It seemed as if we were painting ourself into a corner. Myrddraal under almost constant suspicion didn't help either. As a result to save him, I devised the Detective twist, "revealing" Myrddraal's identity in order to save him. Ideally this would be used much later on in the game.

This was probably the mafia's last good round. EMFM got bandwagoned (the only time I dared starting one after GF1), and two people were Wrath of Godded.

Executed: EMFM


Round 6

Xiahou killed.

X was my last kill. I'm glad I got in my revenge from Cosa Nuova before I died.

Thanks to that previous strategy, I had no real targets to go after, and thus posted that "I was totally confused." Immediately I got votes from the Don and Divine Wind. Facing a count of 2-0, and knowing that the activity was starting to drop off, I revealed a little earlier than I wanted to. It was several minutes after I revealed that I realized that DW couldn't vote. That was Big Mistake #1.

The strategy had worked extremely well. The assault on Husar was helped by Prole and Rabbit, and we were in the clear.

And then Sasaki has to post. :wall:

Obviously, the plan was NOT for me to get lynched. The strategy went something along the lines of "get Husar lynched, kill someone else, get another "guilty" result, and then kill 2 people for the grand finale." But then, bam. Seamus, the Don, Sigurd, and Prole all vote for me in succession on the basis of keeping discussion going.

Totally disgusted, I pled my case in the chat, and as a result there was a short effort by Prole and Husar, feeling guilty, to keep the voting open. No dice though. It was time to make a new plan.

Executed: GeneralHankerchief :shame:


Round 7

Cowhead418 killed.

I invested way too much time and effort into this game. As a result I was in a bad mood after my execution, telling my fellow mafiosi to "kill 'em all as a last request from the dead."

Before my execution, I had a lot of free reign in terms of who was killed. Now, since I didn't write the final PM, a bit more correspondence was required. If Myrd was lynched instead of me things probably would have gone differently.

Due to the chat and the thread, sentiment seemed to be aimed at Seamus Fermanagh. I told Myrddraal that it would probably be good if he got another guilty "result." In #Warehouse I supplied him with the names of the people that "Seamus" killed, but he bolded in the wrong spot and copied the names word for word (they were abbreviated in our chat discussion). Cue suspicion from Sigurd and Husar in the chat. I told Myrddraal to stay out of #tworg (the default channel) if he knew what was good for him, and he obliged. As a result I defended Myrddraal in absentia. Enough people still thought we were Detectives, and Seamus went down. I knew that we couldn't keep up this charade for long, though.

Executed: Seamus Fermanagh


Round 8

Proletariat killed.

Revenge for her swing vote that got me lynched. :evil:

Well, suspicion FINALLY fell on us this round, as Myrddraal disappeared and I blew one of Sasaki's accusations (I do blame game fatigue for that Ignoramus thing - otherwise I wouldn't have answered that). Due to some comments made the previous round, people went for Crazed Rabbit instead of Myrddraal, believing that Rabbit was the Godfather.

Somebody got it right (it was either Sigurd or Kommodus) when they said that we were leaving the poor Rabbit out to dry. Anybody that was lynched who wasn't Csar or Myrddraal was fine with me.

It was around this time that an endgame strategy was beginning to take shape:

Anybody that knows Lord of the Rings knows that the good guys' strategy was to keep Sauron's attention on this giant battle and the great city of Minas Tirith, while the true key to defeating him, Frodo, was left alone.

We decided that Csar was Frodo, and it was best if we kept all attention fixed on certain figures while Csar, the key to the mafia victory, just kept surviving in the meantime.

As a result I wrote a very confusing PM to myself, supposedly from Silver, saying that the game was all a fake and that it would end if Sigurd was lynched. I didn't really care how this would impact the game, so long as Csar (and possibly Myrddraal) survived it.

Executed: Crazed Rabbit


Round 9

Don Corleone killed.

Myrddraal opened up the round with votes. I got greedy, because if Myrd survived this round then the game was pretty much over. So I posted the PM, with a faint hope that it would get Sigurd lynched.

No dice though. And worse, Csar started posting extermely suspicious things, including that we were "full of crap" yet voting for Sigurd! At this time, he had beaucoup chat problems, so I couldn't get in contact with him and make him side against us.

The slight satisfaction I received was that it confused the hell out of everybody for a short time, but it was shortly extinguised as the worst thing imaginable happened - Masy voted for Myrd *AND* named Csar as the Godfather.

So much for Lord of the Rings.

Executed: Myrddraal


Round 10

Masy killed.

I did have a strategy to survive this. The unkillable specter of Divine Wind was looming large, and we no longer had the numbers as the two grunts were dead, as was our ally Crazed Rabbit.

The ideal strategy, I told Csar, would be to kill Husar, and then try to get DW lynched, and then go from there. But Csar said that he had already decided that Masy was to die.

I assume it was the "it wasn't me, I'm being framed" approach, but in Csar's arguments that never materialized. As a result of Husar's maneuverings, my Godfather had two votes and things were looking pretty grim. I figured that we had a better chance of getting Divine Wind lynched than Husar, and told Csar so, but the vote for Husar stayed. In desperation, I used a little reverse psychology, banking on the fact that people thought I was mafia, in order to keep Csar alive. It worked, and Sigurd casted the final vote for Husar.

We weren't dead yet.


Final round

Newly endowed with the power to vote, I immediately targeted Csar, thinking/hoping it would sway some people. But then our greatest tormentor, Sasaki, saw through my plan and voted Csar.

Kommodus posted what amounted to our last hope, a hare-brained theory saying that Sasaki and I were actually working together, and that Husar was the Godfather. Scrambling for anything, I posted a "little bit TOO hasty" defense, which was helped by Sasaki quickly shooting it down. It worked, as Kommodus got paranoid and eventually voted Husar.

It wasn't swaying anybody else, though. That night, I reminded Myrd that he should vote (I planned to change mine right before the deadline), and asked Csar to PM several people who exited early in a "get out the vote"-type operation. Csar disagreed, though, saying that it would most likely backfire.

The final margin was something like two votes. Myrddraal didn't vote. I wonder if the final plan would have worked. But it was done; we were finally caught.

Wanting to get some final satisfaction out of this game, I happily played along with Silver's Mafia III-style fake finish.

Executed: Csar

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Final analysis

Hopefully this commentary will help give the mafia the edge in future games. I worked my butt off in order to try to ensure a mafia victory. We almost had it, too. Three times, we were incredibly close to victory, only to see one of us lynched.

I have to give congratulations to Sasaki Kojiro, who saw through every move and almost certainly was the reason why I was lynched. Good job, Sasaki. You win... this round... :bow:

Looking back, there were a couple things that we could have done differently. As much as the mafia communicated (and we talked A LOT), there were places that more would have definitely helped, most notably after that nonsense PM that I posted. Oh, well, there's always a next time.

This game *was* extremely taxing and tiring on me. I milked it for the sake of convenience, but not that much. I fear due to this strategy I will be lynch target numero uno in future games, so I'm going to take some time off from actually playing again, and go back where I belong - hosting.

Lastly, a BIG thanks to Silver for putting together a GREAT game, and Csar for picking me. You gave me hours of fun, guys. And no hard feelings to anyone who I lied to (which was pretty much everyone).

[Don Corleone]

Seamus!!! You were innocent all along, I knew it!!! ~:pat:

But that means that the whole time, Sasaki was really.....*cough* *cough* innocent? :oops: Sorry big guy, I was utterly convinced you were guilty. All the messing with the voting once you were dead only further convinced me.

Silver, did you suggest to Hank & Myrdraal that they 'falsely reveal' to save their skin?

GREAT GAME :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

I was hoping I was going to get off this craze, but I'm afraid I cannot resist just one more go-round...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow, I still can't believe we really managed to pull it off.

Also, *points and laughs at Don*

At one point there were 12 alive, both detectives dead, and 3 mafia left. Then later we had 6 alive and 2 mafia, then 4 alive and 1 mafia, both of which were lynch or lose. After the lynchings of Ignoramus and EMFM I was convinced the mafia were going to win.

GH and Myrd, that was a very bold game you two played. Loved the detective pm. Myrd you actually had me considering that whole "I was the real detective being fooled by GH the whole time" angle, and GH I was most impressed with your reverse psychology getting Sigurd to vote for Husar and buying you another day. :bow:

Csar, really impressive, I didn't suspect you in the slightest until Myrd was lynched and I did a reread. :bow:

Great game ~:cheers:


edit: Just read, great read GH.

I actually think the elimination of the detectives is what made this game so good. There was no deus ex machina. It wouldn't have been nearly as much fun if around the time EMFM was lynched one of the detectives had posted exposing GH and Myrd.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, that's interesting.

You still deserve the tomatoes, Kommodus, because I wasn't mafia at all. But I'll take the orange to the head for being so very fooled.

Gah. Well, turns out I wasn't a Cassandra, just a Sivler Rusher. :no:

In that case, good job not listening to me, and good job Sasaki.

*goes off to slightly edit earlier post*

Crazed Rabbit

[Myrddraal]

Wow, I don't think I can live up to that great read GH. I'll write a report later, I'm afraid I'm busy. Just a quick correction, it was I, yes I :wink:, who spotted RTWGuru's blatant detective behavior, and of course as soon as I forwarded that oppinion GH he leaped on it.

I'm frankly amazed no one else picked up on it.


R.I.P the dead. May our detective find the mafiosi quickly....


It looks like nobody is suspecting me for anything. I, however, think in a different way. We live in a world, Gameroom, where anything is possible. I could be the Godfather! I could even be a mafioso. I am not saying any of these are true, but the point is, hey, don't just suspect on people who are posting - people who are not posting may be trying to keep their cover!


Whatever you people think. I think that we can rely on our detective to figure out whether or not Kommodos is guilty or not. Sigurd Fafnesbane, I find your evidence a bit suspicious. Maybe you are trying to defend your cover and divert attention to another person?


It looks like people are looking to solve the mystery... But do not worry. I am very sure that we, the townspeople, will win. Seriously, why not? I mean.... well....


Whatever. I suspect one of you will be the detective and Mafia will find out soon!! Ha ha. Not really. I'm no fan of the Mafia, but I suspect Sasaki.


Tell me, how suspicious do I look? Yet, I could hold some secret. But nobody suspects. Well, rest be informed, the only way to win against the brutal enemy, Mafia, is to No-Lynch for the moment.


Hello everybody! I like to tell you NOT to vote for Don Corleone! It is absurd thinking that he is guilty! I really have nobody to suspect so:

Vote: No-Lynch
OMFG!


Stop making suggestions and make an action. If you know who the detective is, tell that person to investigate somebody.

Investigate me! Investigate theRTWGuru! Innocent - not because I'm the Godfather, because I'm NOBODY. WOW. Let's get some action going.

Not only are my posts always ignored, the detective (yes I did not say "our detective" because of several complaints) does NOTHING! The Mafia are like killing random people, the Godfather must be VERY bored, and SO AM I!!!!


voice from the dead....

I was innocent as you see, but why would I have acted suspicious on purpose?

Point to really think about

ps. I was only not posting because of my end of year exams...



Please, reassure me that you'd all spotted it and didn't want to inform the mafia.... :sad:

[Kommodus]

You still deserve the tomatoes, Kommodus, because I wasn't mafia at all. But I'll take the orange to the head for being so very fooled.

Alright, I'll accept a few tomatoes lobbed my way... but only a few, because bro, you really looked guilty defending GH and Myrd that way.

The main thing I'm embarassed about is not getting you lynched, but voting for Husar in the final round. Sorry Husar - my paranoia got the better of me! I guess it really was a hair-brained theory after all. :shame:

Yes, the mafia did (at least occasionally) have me badly fooled and confused. I think Sasaki is the hero of the town this time. Go figure. How does it feel, Mr. Kojiro? You're actually one of the good guys now. :beam:

Great game, everyone!

[Husar]

The main thing I'm embarassed about is not getting you lynched, but voting for Husar in the final round. Sorry Husar - my paranoia got the better of me! I guess it really was a hair-brained theory after all. :shame:
~:pat: We won in the end, didn't we?

Now I finally survived my first mafia game, I'm dead in the other one, but this one was more messy, just my favourite terrain.:jumping:

Also thanks to Prole for believing in my innocence which helped get the mafiosi.:flowers:

Don also believed in my innocence, he was right there at least.~:)

Sasaki was a great player I have to say and I slightly leaned towards him during most of the game, especially in the end, I had to distance myself from him from time to time to not get lynched and also because I was trying to be careful nonetheless but turned out he was really innocent.~:cheers:

And now, Sigurd, you traitor!
How could you vote for me???~:mecry: :thumbsdown:

I might stay out of future games for the simple fact that I cannot really lie and should I be chosen as mafia, I'd have a mighty problem, I'm not good at it and always have a bad consciousness but anyway, this was fun.:yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, the mafia did (at least occasionally) have me badly fooled and confused. I think Sasaki is the hero of the town this time. Go figure. How does it feel, Mr. Kojiro? You're actually one of the good guys now. :beam:


It feels...so strange! Hopefully this will ease my reputation of "evil mafioso" somewhat.

I feel bad though. I shouldn't have been taken in by Crazed Rabbit, his behavior was too much like Cosa Nuova for that. Also, I'd named him in my original list, and on some level I wanted that list to have been accurate so I could feel that I'd named all the mafioso round 3, and I was rather reluctant to examine anyone who wasn't on the list. Don, Crazed, and Sigurd did act very suspiciously (I still don't know what you were playing at Sigurd...your actions may have helped you survive but you sure confused the heck out of me). I was very reluctant to let my suspicions of Sigurd go, my gut was still telling me he was guilty but fortunately I listened to my head. Turns out 4/6 of my initial list were innocent :embarassed:

I do feel better about not stopping myself from being lynched now that I realize 3/4 of those voting me were mafia :laugh4:

At a certain point it did feel like no one believed me which was quite frustrating. I eased off at certain key moments and let Seamus and Kommodus and Husar do the talking since they were much more credible than I, which really helped I think.

[Csargo]

Well this was a really fun game for me. I blame the loss on myself for my aweful mistakes at the end of the game.:bigcry: I should have just voted for Myrd. and then most of Sasaki's arguements would have not mattered much. If I would have been on when GH posted the detective thing I could have atleast prolongued the round and maybe even saved him then we would have probably won but alas I wasn't around a computer at the time. I should have changed my kill to Husar that last round like GH said but for some reason I thought it was too late to do so. After that whole Csar is innocent post I figured he would vote me next round(and I was right) and DW with his flipping a coin crap. My only hope was that Sigurd would save me and he did:beam: but alas it was already too late for me for some stupid posts in the earlier rounds.

My reasoning for picking GH and Myrd were pretty good I thought.

GH: A Mafia games veteran he did an excellent job defending himself knew the game really well and had alot of good ideas in the end though that's what got himself lynched. WHO KILLS THE DETECTIVE? WHO DOES THAT?

Myrd: He is rather new to the whole Mafia games but he is a very smart guy and thats about it. I almost chose Sasaki:shocked: but I thought Sasaki is always suspicious so decided against it.

[Proletariat]

hahahahahahahahahaha

*deletes her hentai bookmarks and hugs Husar*

[Crazed Rabbit]

Gah. Sorry for not believing you, Sasaki, but you were just so darn suspicious.

I suppose I should've seen through the errors of GH and Myrd. Ah well.


but only a few, because bro, you really looked guilty defending GH and Myrd that way

Pfft, I told you I was innocent, but you refused to believe me. You're still getting the whole crazy-mediteranean-town batch.

Crazed Rabbit

[Sigurd]

DAMN...

I guess you are not the man after all Hus.
:embarassed:
...
...
:idea2:

Well... that means... YOU, ME and DW are the MEN!! the sole survivors of this great mafia game. :2thumbsup:

:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

[Death Match]

I kept telling you Myrrdraal was guilty!!!

Join my new game which had been recently started: The Invisible Man (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1283340#post1283340)

[Myrddraal]

RTWGuru, next time you're the detective, don't make it so obvious :wink: :bow:

Who did you investigate? Me? (same question to Dutch Guy)

[Husar]

Ok, my appologies to Sigurd, he was only half a traitor, but being that close to a heart attack made me think that he voted for me in the final round as well.~:rolleyes:
Did I ever mention the chat is a great invention for clearing such issues?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So Silver, I guess there was no meaning to the bolded phrases? I spent time on that!

And Myrd, were you really insulted back on day three or were you just playing it up? After all, you guys were trying to lynch Don, correct?

[Don Corleone]

Well, like I've said other places, I clearly had a steep learning curve. In real life, I'm very direct, perhaps unsettling so, so asking straightforward, and yes at times naive, questions is just in my nature. Clearly, it will always arouse suspicion in a game such as this.

So, to that end, NEXT GAME I WILL KEEP MY CARDS MUCH CLOSER TO MY CHEST. That doesn't mean I got picked for the mafia team, just that I learned pretty quickly.

Prole, Xiahou, I hope there's no hard feelings about that early PM. Clearly I didn't understand 2 whits about the game at that point as it had the exact opposite affect that I intended. No hard feelings I hope, it was genuine.

Oh, while I'm wiping the egg off my face, I almost forgot. Until Sasaki started his inspired defense of me a couple weeks back, I REALLY thought he was innocent. What a goof, even if he was, sharing that much information without much to go on in his innocence department. :dizzy2:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I actually winced when I read Guru's "No Lynch" post. Had it been anything except a purely electronic impending death, I'd have begun my Hail Marys right then -- as I knew he'd get the chop. It was the only night I was pretty sure I woud survive.

So far, in both the games I've played, a detective reveal has often been followed by a quick lynching -- though to be fair, 3 of the 5 "revealed" were mafiosi.

Good shot getting me lynched -- I thought I could poke holes in your "reveal" and labeling of my guilt, but they had a delayed effect (or none).

Fun and spirited contest.

[Xiahou]

Prole, Xiahou, I hope there's no hard feelings about that early PM. Clearly I didn't understand 2 whits about the game at that point as it had the exact opposite affect that I intended. No hard feelings I hope, it was genuineYeah well... I still think you're guilty. ~;p

[Myrddraal]

And Myrd, were you really insulted back on day three or were you just playing it up? After all, you guys were trying to lynch Don, correct?

Only mildly, there was nothing wrong with my reasoning, it just didn't take advantage of the fact that I knew who the mafia were :wink:

[Kommodus]

Pfft, I told you I was innocent, but you refused to believe me. You're still getting the whole crazy-mediteranean-town batch.

Well, I guess that settles it - I shoulda known you were innocent, 'cause heck, you told me. :laugh4:

Meh, I could be loading up on tomatoes for all the people who didn't believe me when I told them I was innocent.

Hm... maybe... *looks around for Sigurd*

[Dutch_guy]

Ah yes, so that's how it ended eh ?

Anyway, as everybody now knows, I was the detective this game. Along with, apparently, RGuru. Now, I may write a write-up one of these days, but until that I'll just tell you who I investigated - plus a short why.

Round zero, the PM arrives :

Congratulations, Dutch_guy! You are the detective in The Godfather, Part 2. It is your job to PM me every night with the name of one person you wish to investigate. I will then PM back telling you whether this person is innocent or guilty.

About revealing: You can reveal your role at any time, under the condition that you reveal it to everybody at the same time and that you are alive when you do it. You may then tell them who you investigated and what the result was, etc. You can't use screenshots taken from my PMs but you can quote them.

Best of luck,
Silver Rusher

I was thrilled to get picked as a detective again, especially after I wasn't there to act as a detective in Kommudus' last game - a fact which almost got the town killed that time.

I immediately set to work as to who I'd investigate.

My first choice was Husar. He was a relatively new player and I wanted to know if he was innocent, it turned out he was. One might have argued I should have investigated our CoP, but something told me he'd turn out innocent anyway - I proved myself right not to long after.

Later in the game I was becoming increasingly worried Husar would end up being the Godfather. That said, it would have been great for my ego had he turned out to be the supreme bad guy, I daresay investigating the godfather in round 1 would have been a novelty.

The Next turn I investigated Don, also a new player. I thought his relatively newbish posts were a way of deluding us from his real identity - ie: a bad guy.

However, he turned out to be innocent. I think, looking back, I could have made it a bit more clear he was innocent, as he was constantly taking flack from the other - more vocal - players. But not doing so might just have saved him, mafioso always like a somewhat vulnerable townie...

By this time numerous villagers were stating it would be foolish for the detective not to have investigated our CoP, they convinced me to do so, and as I thought he turned out to be innocent.

More and more players were dying now, and I had to make a choice. Should I waste precious investigations on dead people, or should I simply go on and investigate the living. I chose option two, to me it makes a bit more sense - although opinions may vary - to investigate still active/alive people as to eliminate the option of a mafioso grunt still being in our midst. Even the switch in kill numbers by the mafia didn't make me change my strategy.

Ignoramus was my next target, probably the only player whom I really suspected as a mafioso. Mainly due to his posting style, and because of the answers he gave when the town openly stated he was suspicious. However, as with the other investigations this too got back an innocent. I really did think I got one that time...

My last investigation, as it turned out to be, was Sigurd. One of the more vocal players, and a dangerous one at that, because you never know where he stands. Even if he turns out to be a townie in the end.

This time, however, I didn't get back my results of the investigation. As I was murdered that turn. Had I gotten it back, I would have known for sure that there was no mafia grunt left by the last round and it would have left Csar as only possible badguy. Not that I could have known that Husar and Sigurd weren't godfather, but it would have made the decision easier I guess.

Anyway, congratulations to GeneralH for killing me. I would however like to know why you targeted me, especially since you stated I didn't act like a detective (thanks for that, by the way).

Also, were I not killed that particular round, I would have probably investigated (in no particular order):

Prole
Seamus
Csar
BKS
Masy

Why ? Because not one of those mentioned has been as active as they were in previous games (in Csar's case mostly due to getting mob killed early on ~;)). I had no knowledge on Prole, so that was just a random pick out of those who were still alive at that point.

---------------


Thanks for the Game Silver, without a doubt one of the best, or THE best, mafia game up to date. :balloon:

:balloon2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Anyway, congratulations to GeneralH for killing me. I would however like to know why you targeted me, especially since you stated I didn't act like a detective (thanks for that, by the way).

Now that I look back, I think you fit the mold of who our kill targets were. This was nothing against you - you are/were a fairly reliable, intelligent player who we hoped would post after death, albeit nothing that would ruin us.

I also think there might have been a subconscious factor to it. As you can remember, the round before you died Ignoramus named me and you as Godfather and grunt. Perhaps the back of my brain wanted to completely prove Ig wrong, even though nobody had believed him.

[Masy]

WOOT. I was right on the money...bow down in awe at my gargantuan intellect! Also, great game Silver, thanks.

[Myrddraal]

I'd just like to add something about the bolded words. We did send our kill methods to Silver, in bullet point form.

The Cesna Skyhawk was me, and it was simply there to set myself up to say the "the mafia are trying to distract us" line to make me look townie. However, later in the day Silver started adding bolded words himself. When I sent in Prole's kill method for example, I didn't mention that she'd just come from Nickolai's, and in another kill I just mentioned the target had been working late, not at Culp Co.

The four men shaking hands was me however. Once I realised that Sasaki thought the kills were comming from Silver, I also realised the potential to confuse. I was pleased with the result :evilgrin:

However, later in the game Silver took out some of my confusing messages, probably because I was taking advantage of the fact the people thought it was him. In my original version of Don's kill, a man came in to sit opposite him in the italian restaurant, and introduces himself as Vincentiro "Vincentiro... that name was important, somehow" Don thinks, before getting shot in the head.

[Silver Rusher]

Ah, yes. I was going to leave this to the write-up but I think I will tell you now.

I put clues into the last three kills. Look back and find these three names.

Nikolay's
Ivan the waitor
St Alexandr's Church

These are all names of Russian Tsars, or in an alternate spelling Csars.

[Csargo]

Ah, yes. I was going to leave this to the write-up but I think I will tell you now.

I put clues into the last three kills. Look back and find these three names.

Nikolay's
Ivan the waitor
St Alexandr's Church

These are all names of Russian Tsars, or in an alternate spelling Csars.

Ah very smart SR. When can we expect your write-up?

[Silver Rusher]

Ah very smart SR. When can we expect your write-up?
I'm afraid I don't have time to do it until the weekend. Expect it on Saturday, Sunday or maybe Friday if you are lucky.

[Kommodus]

Ah very smart SR.

Yes, that was quite clever - though I'm pretty sure no one got it. I certainly didn't.

The hard part about deriving clues from the descriptions of the kills, of course, is that we don't really know how much was written by the narrator and how much was written by the mafioso. In Mafia III, for example, I wrote most of my kills word-for-word. Anyone who knew my writing style might've guessed it was me if they'd known that (though at the time no one did). However, in most instances the mafiosi provide somewhat less detail to the narrator; I got mostly one-line instructions in Cosa Nuova.

Narrators need to be careful what they allow in their write-ups. I tried very hard not to include any clues in both the assassinations and executions in Cosa Nuova. Sometimes information that the mafia would like included needs to be censored. GH and Silver have both inserted tiny clues at their discretion.

[Myrddraal]

Sometimes information that the mafia would like included needs to be censored.

:yes: But it was fun :evilgrin:

[Death Match]

Hey guys! I really enjoyed the whole game, thanks to Silver Rusher.

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[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow, Silver, I didn't realize how much writing you actually did for this. Nice.

[Csargo]

Will the write-up be ready soon Silver I was looking forward to reading it.

[Silver Rusher]

It's a slow process, Csar. I've been trying to write it but I'm still only on round 3. Should be done tomorrow, hopefully.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How goes it, Silver?

We're not going to let you get away with not writing one, you know. :whip:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, seriously.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:stare:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Is it time to call up the pitchfork phalanx? (points if you remember its first mission)
~;p
Crazed Rabbit

[Csargo]

So Sasaki when's the last time SR was on?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

december 12th

[Csargo]

Thanks Sasaki. Seems we will never get that write-up. :shame: