View Full Version : Mafia V: The Family Strikes Back [Concluded]
doc_bean
12-01-2006, 16:59
I think we can assume that most of those who have several no votes are likely innocent. The risk of Wrath of God should be enough to keep the mafia active. So I think we need to look for the mafia among those who vote or abstain.
If I were mafia I'd make sure that at least 3 people had as bad a voting record as me, so at least 4 people would be killed by WoG if I was killed, little chance of the General killing 4 people in one round me thinks...
Just because you were innocent (which I happen to believe) doesn't mean theRTWGuru was in fact the detective. He could have proclaimed your innocence from his own hunches.
You may be right, but I cannot see the sense in that. If he did it as a townie he was eitherjoking or taking the risk to make a possible mafia member(me in this case) look innocent.
discovery1
12-01-2006, 17:36
HEY EVerYBODY I"M THE DETECTIVE!!! TRUST ME!
AggonyDuck
12-01-2006, 18:22
I think we can safely assume that atleast Drisos and God's Grace are innocent. Doc I do not see any difference between WoG'ing three or four villagers.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-01-2006, 18:48
HEY EVerYBODY I"M THE DETECTIVE!!! TRUST ME!
You've been making mostly joke posts. What for?
doc_bean
12-01-2006, 19:06
I think we can safely assume that atleast Drisos and God's Grace are innocent. Doc I do not see any difference between WoG'ing three or four villagers.
There's safety in numbers, usually only one or two people would get WoGed, so you don't run much risk.
Dutch_guy
12-01-2006, 19:54
I think we can safely assume that atleast Drisos and God's Grace are innocent
Why should we assume that ?
The only ones who are confirmed innocents are, well, the killed townies.
UltraWar
Sir Moody
Pannonian
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Sasaki Kojiro
theRTWGuru
Kommodus
Proletariat
Other than that, we have a wide range of suspects, obviously.
:balloon2:
AggonyDuck
12-01-2006, 20:11
Because any mafioso will show enough interest in the game to atleast cast a vote or abstain. No mafioso would have failed to vote four times. That is why it is safe to assume that they are innocent.
Kagemusha
12-01-2006, 20:25
DuckieWhat makes you so sure that the mafioso wouldnt take that risk?
Because any mafioso will show enough interest in the game to atleast cast a vote or abstain. No mafioso would have failed to vote four times. That is why it is safe to assume that they are innocent.
I don't see it. There were no hard and fast rules regarding WoG for this game, so theoretically, a mafioso could still be sending in their kills while playing at being inactive without getting a WoG. :shrug:
A 'joke' written over the internet tends to miss the target, especially if it isn't funny. And no, you don't need to spell it out to us, just be sure to make the sarcasm clear in a post - especially in games where the writing style of a post can get you lynched or murdered.
And I take it the 'joke' from a couple of games ago refers to one in GF2 ?
:balloon2:
Actually it's from Cosa Nuova I believe. I know it was before GF2.
AggonyDuck
12-01-2006, 21:51
Why would a mafioso risk a WoG by not voting when he can easily lurk and just abstain/or only post a vote?
Kagemusha
12-01-2006, 21:54
It could be a viable tactic.After all each post you make creates attention. When you consider who to vote, do you go through the player list or remember what happened in the thread?
Seamus Fermanagh
12-01-2006, 21:56
Why would a mafioso risk a WoG by not voting when he can easily lurk and just abstain/or only post a vote?
Might not be a risk at all. Could've PM'd the gamemaster in advance noting that they would be doing that as a strategy. If punctual with other stuff, it'd be pretty hard to WoG them on non=participation.
Course it could look funny if every other non-voter got splattered. Perhaps that's why we have so many limited activity voters still breathing?
discovery1
12-01-2006, 22:52
You've been making mostly joke posts. What for?
What to kill me for having fun again huh? This SK he's always out to spoil fun yes sir y bob. On a related note, the snow here in urbana probaly won't last and my hands are still thawing out.
Well, this latest one is the flat out truth. In fact, I have always been a detective, even when I was mafia.
The others where humorous ways of abstaining.
GeneralHankerchief
12-02-2006, 00:05
Kills will be up a bit late again today. I'm fairly busy with Will of the Senate - apologies.
Death Match
12-02-2006, 01:11
Okay... Nobody believed when I said Husar was innocent. What is the point of a detective if noone believes him??
Since that I have already posted that I was the detective, I am NOT breaking the rule by doing this. I think. If I am, please delete.
PM from GH:
Sweep, sweep.
Loud crunching noise could be heard as theRTWGuru sweeped his rather big garden. Suddenly he came across a loose paper on the ground.
"Come outside"
Startled, Guru when outside and saw two men in grey suits and gold ties.
"Take this letter. Don't show this to anybody else."
"What? But why?"
The men walked away. Guru had no choice but to open the letter and read the contents.
"Something is wrong. We want you to investigate. To keep it secret, we want you to show this letter to nobody."
Congratulations!
theRTWGuru, you have been chosen to be the detective of the Mafia V: The Family Strikes Back!
Your job is to post me investigation after each Mafia kills. Remember, you cannot reveal your position after your death.
This simply means you have killed Husar who was innocent.
Okay... Nobody believed when I said Husar was innocent. What is the point of a detective if noone believes him??
Since that I have already posted that I was the detective, I am NOT breaking the rule by doing this. I think. If I am, please delete.
PM from GH:
This simply means you have killed Husar who was innocent.
That PM isn't believable for me. I know GH wouldn't make such grammar mistakes unlike me.:beam:
GeneralHankerchief
12-02-2006, 02:18
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. After the sushi fiasco most people figured that they would rather stay home and die than go out and die.
AggonyDuck had had enough of the killing and executions going around in the Frontroom. He withdrew to his house, and took his mind of it all by practicing clicking. A mouse, that is.
You see, AggonyDuck was a member of the fine Aggony clan, and to live up to their excellent standards, excellent skills were needed. And excellent skills required practice. So AggonyDuck sat down at the computer, and started to click his mouse. And click. And click. And click. Clikclikclik.
The *clikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclikclik* of his mouse made him unable to hear the creak of his door opening.
Suddenly, a hand behind him grabbed his mouse, and started wrapping the cord around his neck.
AggonyDuck could only gasp for air while the mafioso remarked "You should have went cordless, everybody's doing it."
"But of course, you were too worried about the 1 millisecond delay that cordless has...always about speed, well don't worry about it anymore."
AggonyDuck was found slumped in his chair, strangled to death. Around his neck was his mouse.
doc_bean belonged to no clan, and as such he had a life. Instead of practicing his clicking skills, doc decided to catch up on his sleep. Living in fear took a drain on the body, you know.
However, he would never realize that this was a terrible mistake. A fatal one, even. Because while asleep he missed the sound of a ladder hitting the outside of the house. He missed the sound of a glass cutter, well... cutting glass. And he missed the sound of the mafioso, wearing sunglasses and a trenchcoat, climbing through.
He even missed the mafioso opening a bottle of chloroform, and at that point he would miss a lot more.
doc_bean never woke up. This didn't have to do with the chloroform so much as nine pints of blood being removed from his body, donation-style.
Upon further investigation of his house, authorities discovered that the blood was packaged in nine pint-sized bags, labeled by type and date, and stored in his refrigerator.
What chilled the authorities more, however, was the following note stapled to his forehead:
"Luke 4:23"
Later that day, as always, Chief of Police Beirut had gathered the remaining villagers in the town square to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?"
The villagers were shocked at their Chief of Police's explosion. Clearly the stress of the situation was getting to him.
"Seriously, people! Come on! Do you *want* the mafia to kill you all? Because you're clearly not executing the right people!"
At this, people in the crowd started to speak up.
"How do you know that? We might have gotten one, and the other person is just killing two people as a cover?"
"Yeah? And how come you're the one who always addresses us, and not the mayor?"
Mayor? They had a mayor? How come Beirut was usurping this person's power? Was he in the mafia?"
"SILENCE!" Beirut roared. "I have a gun on me, and so I get to give the orders. Apparently we are not scaring the mafia enough. So the person with the most votes tonight will be BURIED ALIVE! GET VOTING!"
The villagers, gasping, did so.
So after I got lynched, the wanax is gone?
That's quite interesting because it kind of makes me look guilty, doesn't it?:2thumbsup:
So after I got lynched, the wanax is gone?
That's quite interesting because it kind of makes me look guilty, doesn't it?:2thumbsup:
It sure does.
For what it's worth.
23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks
Seamus Fermanagh
12-02-2006, 02:36
Vote: Beirut
...will he be informed of his lynching by PM or do we post the thread in the Frontroom?:beam: :smash: :smash: :yes:
Vote: Beirut
...will he be informed of his lynching by PM or do we post the thread in the Frontroom?:beam: :smash: :smash: :yes:
I'm sure GH will inform him :D :beam: :smash: :laugh4: :end: :guitarist: :iloveyou:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-02-2006, 02:45
That's funny, I once lost a game to AggonyDuck because my wireless mouse ran out of batteries.
Sasaki could you perhaps tell us when the last time SR was on?
Sasaki Kojiro
12-02-2006, 02:51
The 29th.
Lord Winter
12-02-2006, 03:17
Anyone notice any simmilaters between Discos behavior in mafia IV? His random comments could make a good cover for a mafiosto, like the ice fued.
Vote: Discovery1
Anyone notice any simmilaters between Discos behavior in mafia IV? His random comments could make a good cover for a mafiosto, like the ice fued.
Vote: Discovery1
Disco claimed he was the detective. So if he doesn't provide some PM's then I'll think he's guilty.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1317796&postcount=251
This is from before when I posted some of Ignoramus's posts.
Unvote: Ignoramus
Vote: God's Grace
Second point John 16:24 is obviously a quote from the bible. Now unlike other clues that have been posted this would have been hard to find the quote unless you know the bible pretty well. I don't know about alot of you but I don't read the bible alot and I don't know any lines from it. GG is a Christian a devoted one at that. That's not just coming from the name.
I think that this is a red herring. I think this is an attempt to frame GG. With a name such as his, it would be the height of insanity for him to do that. I am a Christian too, and I wouldn't post verses from the Bible in my kills if I was one of the mafia.
This could be used against me but Ignoramus notes that he wouldn't post Bible verses's in kills if he was mafia.
God's Grace 6 These are the number of posts in this thread by each person if you wanna vote a lurker. There they are.
hey im a holy man not a inquistor! the only place where I posted or spammed if you will, was in Mafia I when i was the blasphemous Spartan posting my but off writing unholy messages from the "dead".
This is a quote from God's Grace. He admits he is Christian.
I Suspect Csar. Look at how his comments below don't make sense.
I was too busy picking on Reenk you see. I'm not that evil though he hasn't even posted yet. After that though it's a free for all. I'm coming for you Sasaki
And then:
Unvote: Ignoramus
Vote: God's Grace
Killing Sasaki was a stupid thing to do. Everyone knows (atleast everyone that has played mafia games for a while) that he gets more annoying after he dies :P Who ever did it was either a noob to the game or haven't played the game for a while. I don't think someone who has been playing the games lately would kill Sasaki it really a pointless thing to do. GG hasn't really played a Mafia game since GH's Mafia III.
If it was so obvious, why post it? Here Csar indirectly points the finger rather lamely at GG. Saying that whoever did it was a noob or hadn't played in a while, and then nonchantly stating that GG hasn't played for a while.
Csar would have killed UltraWar, because he knew that UltraWar was a good player. Then in the voting that followed, Csar followed Sasaki's lead almost every time.
What has happened is that Csar made Sasaki think that he was innocent and then killed him. He could not have killed Sasaki straight away, otherwise everyone would have suspected him. Thus he waits a few rounds, avoids suspicion, and then strikes.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1322315&postcount=353
I still think this was a bandwagon attempt by Ignoramus.
Vote: Csar
He cast his vote for me after SR voted for me coincidence. I think not.
Vote: Ignoramus
Crazed Rabbit
12-02-2006, 04:39
Vote: Disco.
Under the 'lynch all liars' plan, and for his generally inane posting.
I'm not convinced of his guilt, but this'll stand for now.
CR
Vote: Disco.
Under the 'lynch all liars' plan, and for his generally inane posting.
I'm not convinced of his guilt, but this'll stand for now.
CR
I don't know if I missed something but I haven't noticed Disco lieing unless he doesn't have PM's to back up his claims. Then he would be lieing.
Well, Csar's still suspicious.. although Disco seems like a reasonable choice as well. :shrug:
For now...
Vote:Csar
Crazed Rabbit
12-02-2006, 05:43
I don't know if I missed something but I haven't noticed Disco lieing unless he doesn't have PM's to back up his claims. Then he would be lieing.
Well, he's jokingly claiming he's the detective.
CR
Well, he's jokingly claiming he's the detective.
CR
That doesn't make him a liar now does it?
Xiahou good job helping the Mafia.
He's suspicious so I'll vote him. Heh:thumbsdown:
discovery1
12-02-2006, 08:05
I HAVE A BRILLIANT PLAN to help the mafia
VOTE: DISCO!
I HAVE A BRILLIANT PLAN to help the mafia
VOTE: DISCO!
If you could prove it with a PM then I'de believe you.:beam:
GH can you confirm that you would let a mafioso live if he didn't vote and told you he was going to stay away from the thread and the Org for that matter as a strategy?
doc_bean
12-02-2006, 11:33
Meh, I'm death.
First time I got killed by the mafia I believe.
Ignoramus
12-02-2006, 12:12
I have no desire to retaliate, but I cannot allow my innoncence to be constantly challenged.
Vote: Csar
AggonyDuck
12-02-2006, 12:52
That's funny, I once lost a game to AggonyDuck because my wireless mouse ran out of batteries.
And what is also funny is that I actually use a mouse with a cord. So this mafioso seems to spy on me. This means that he must live close to me, so the only proper suspect has to be......Kagemusha! (not really)
Anyway it's a nice way to die, you know, dying when doing what you love.
Dutch_guy
12-02-2006, 13:31
Sasaki could you perhaps tell us when the last time SR was on?
A very good question, he's usually one of the most active members in the game. Strange he isn't being active this game, but then again, he'll probably get WoGed as he's been gone and missing for three days.
:balloon2:
doc_bean
12-02-2006, 13:56
Anyway it's a nice way to die, you knowing dying by doing what you love.
That's how I felt about dying in my sleep :laugh4:
Don Corleone
12-02-2006, 15:30
Guys, real life DOES happen from time to time. SR could have a hundred reasons for not being on more other than trying to hide his mafia colors.
This one isn't offering up a lot of clues, but I am offering up a warning in this and all other mafia games....
From now, anybody that 'reveals' themself as detective, especially in a stupid way, that doesn't convince me is going to get my vote from there on out. It's clearly come into vogue as a mafia trick to do false reveals (or we have a LOT of stupid townspeople out there). Either make a case, or expect my vote. Nothing ticks me off more than "how can you not believe me... I told you I was the detective, what more do you need?"
GeneralHankerchief
12-02-2006, 15:36
GH can you confirm that you would let a mafioso live if he didn't vote and told you he was going to stay away from the thread and the Org for that matter as a strategy?
I would Wrath of God him.
I can understand that real life happens. Most of the time, if a person is away for a couple of voting rounds, but then comes back, I will let him live. Like the Don. He has been active for the past few rounds, so he is in no danger to get WoG'd. The problem is when somebody is consistently away from the game and doesn't vote more often than he does. Once that happens, the lightning starts to fly.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-02-2006, 16:37
Curiouser and curiouser thought Alice....
Csar, your protests against those voting for you come across a little "shrill."
E.G.
He's suspicious so I'll vote him. Heh:thumbsdown:
Csar, my friend, that's the primary reason (gut feeling) for 90% of the votes cast in all of these games. You know that, so why the "you're helping the mafia win" whine? A bit suspicious.
You tried to build a case against Iggy, as he had tried to do to you before. BOTH of them are a little iffy. Both of you make some possible points, but there are a few "givens" we have to accept for either. I'm interested in both, but convinced of neither.
Facts from the voting record:
During day two (not runoff), -- our only really close vote --, 4 people voted to lynch Banquo: Aggony, Destroyer, Divine Wind, and Sasaki. Divine Wind was obviously voting to protect himself, but has since suicided due to computer problems. Of the other 3, 2 have been murdered. Only Destroyer remains (good luck buddy!). Was a mafia type successfully removed then, and do we have one trying to appear to be 2 with very distinct killing styles (the biblical quotations appeared AFTER this and the eyeball/lid thing seemed to shift as well -- though we must be careful reading into kill descrips since GH also has a hand in them)?:inquisitive:
In our last day of voting, the one that terminated Husar, a relatively quick bandwagon -- though small -- bandwagon formed to take him down. Husar counteratteacked Csar as the "leader" of this bandwagon, and Csar picked up a 2nd vote from Doc and started to close the gap. Didn't happen, Husar got stoned....and Doc got dead right away too.:inquisitive:
For now, I'll (tentatively)
Vote: Csar
Curiouser and curiouser thought Alice....
Csar, your protests against those voting for you come across a little "shrill."
E.G.
Csar, my friend, that's the primary reason (gut feeling) for 90% of the votes cast in all of these games. You know that, so why the "you're helping the mafia win" whine? A bit suspicious.
You tried to build a case against Iggy, as he had tried to do to you before. BOTH of them are a little iffy. Both of you make some possible points, but there are a few "givens" we have to accept for either. I'm interested in both, but convinced of neither.
Facts from the voting record:
During day two (not runoff), -- our only really close vote --, 4 people voted to lynch Banquo: Aggony, Destroyer, Divine Wind, and Sasaki. Divine Wind was obviously voting to protect himself, but has since suicided due to computer problems. Of the other 3, 2 have been murdered. Only Destroyer remains (good luck buddy!). Was a mafia type successfully removed then, and do we have one trying to appear to be 2 with very distinct killing styles (the biblical quotations appeared AFTER this and the eyeball/lid thing seemed to shift as well -- though we must be careful reading into kill descrips since GH also has a hand in them)?:inquisitive:
In our last day of voting, the one that terminated Husar, a relatively quick bandwagon -- though small -- bandwagon formed to take him down. Husar counteratteacked Csar as the "leader" of this bandwagon, and Csar picked up a 2nd vote from Doc and started to close the gap. Didn't happen, Husar got stoned....and Doc got dead right away too.:inquisitive:
For now, I'll (tentatively)
Vote: Csar
I find it hard to believe he couldn't find one quote out of everything I've posted that would make me suspicious. Hell I could probably find a quote and use it against myself. Even Ignoramus found one come on don't give me that. And so Xiahou gets off scotfree for starting a bandwagon. Woooooo I wish Sasaki were here. :grin:
I was the third person to vote Husar. But I guess with the rule of three that means I started it.:dizzy2:
Reenk Roink
12-02-2006, 16:52
Siggy is going to come under fire from me as of now.
He was Husar's most outspoken critic last round, and it is plausible that he is the Wanax who framed Husar and then changed his kill style to frame him more.
I know it's not solid, but frankly, it's the best argument against anyone right now. Sig is an excellent player who has fooled me personally twice and stolen victory.
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sasaki Kojiro
12-02-2006, 16:53
Where is Sigurd anyway.
Where is Sigurd anyway.
Talked with him yesterday in the chat. There you are I was wondering where you went.:laugh4:
I find it hard to believe he couldn't find one quote out of everything I've posted that would make me suspicious. Hell I could probably find a quote and use it against myself. Even Ignoramus found one come on don't give me that. And so Xiahou gets off scotfree for starting a bandwagon. Woooooo I wish Sasaki were here. :grin:You're just making me more confident of my suspicions. I'm not going to go back and quote all of your previous statements- people can go back and read it themselves and decide. There's no real "money shot" as far as quotes go anyhow- it's more a pattern than any one statement. Killing Sasaki is always a risky maneuver, but I believe you felt your previous interactions with him would leave you off the suspect list.
I was the third person to vote Husar. But I guess with the rule of three that means I started it.:dizzy2:I'll certainly allow for the possibility that you're innocent- but being the 3rd person to pile on a bandwagon is at least somewhat suspicious. Combine that with the Sasaki murder and your apparent desperation to save your own skin and I feel you're a good lynch choice.
Also, I'd hold off on burning lurkers for at least another round or two until we let the WoG sort some of them out. It's a waste of a lynch to take someone down who's going to get a WoG anyway.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-02-2006, 18:11
Ok. Interesting happenings. 17 alive, So we have 5 more lynch chances, 3 or 4 if a couple people get WoG'd. I think we have a pretty good chance at finding the mafia (though Craterus and Disco are still essentially lurking).
For my own reference (and anyone else's) here's links to all the kills and lynch posts:
Round 1: Ultrawar and Sir Moody killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1312348&postcount=57)
Round 1: Hepcat lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1314011&postcount=141)
Round 2: Pannonian and EMFM killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1315122&postcount=159)
Round 2: Tie between DW and BG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1318920&postcount=289)
Round 2: Banquo lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1320214&postcount=335)
Round 3: Sasaki and RTWGuru killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1321778&postcount=339)
Round 3: Zalmoxis lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1323845&postcount=413)
Round 4:Kommodus and Proletariat killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1324851&postcount=419)
Round 4: Husar lynched (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1326919&postcount=481)
Round 5: AggonyDuck and doc_bean killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1328833&postcount=519)
And here's the votes:
Here is the voting total for Round 1:
Hepcat: 5 (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Csar, Banquo's Ghost, Reenk Roink, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink: 3 (Xiahou, AggonyDuck, Crazed Rabbit)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 2 (Hepcat, Ignoramus)
Silver Rusher: 1 (doc_bean)
Craterus: 1 (Proletariat)
Pannonian: 1 (Kommodus)
Banquo's Ghost: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Divine Wind: 1 (Husar)
Xiahou: 1 (Kagemusha)
discovery1: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Masy: 1 (Divine Wind)
Abstained: 5 (Evil_Maniac From Mars, Masy, theRTWGuru, discovery1, Dutch_guy)
Didn't vote: 7 (Craterus, Silver Rusher, Don Corleone, Destroyer of Hope, Zalmoxis, Drisos, God's Grace)
Here is the voting tally for Round 2:
Divine Wind: 4 (Masy, Xiahou, Seamus Fermanagh, God's Grace)
Banquo's Ghost: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, AggonyDuck, Divine Wind, Destroyer of Hope)
Ignoramus: 3 (Csar, Zalmoxis, discovery1)
Destroyer of Hope: 2 (Proletariat, Husar)
Craterus: 1 (Ignoramus)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Proletariat: 1 (Silver Rusher)
Drisos: 1 (doc_bean)
Abstained: 8 (Craterus, Kommodus, Reenk Roink, Crazed Rabbit, Drisos, Banquo's Ghost, Dutch_guy, theRTWGuru)
Didn't vote: 2 (Don Corleone, Kagemusha)
Here is the voting total for Round 2a:
Banquo's Ghost: 9 (discovery1, Divine Wind, Sasaki Kojiro, AggonyDuck, Csar, Reenk Roink, Husar, Destroyer of Hope, Seamus Fermanagh)
Divine Wind: 7 (Masy, Kommodus, Dutch_guy, doc_bean, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Proletariat, Craterus)
Abstained: 3 (Silver Rusher, Zalmoxis, theRTWGuru)
Didn't vote: 8 (Kagemusha, Don Corleone, Xiahou, Crazed Rabbit, Ignoramus, Drisos, Banquo's Ghost, God's Grace)
Here is the voting total for Round 3:
Zalmoxis: 4 (Seamus Fermanagh, Xiahou, Crazed Rabbit, Husar)
Destroyer of Hope: 2 (Kagemusha, Reenk Roink)
Csar: 2 (Silver Rusher, Ignoramus)
Kagemusha: 2 (Don Corleone, discovery1)
God's Grace: 1 (doc_bean)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 1 (Destroyer of Hope)
Drisos: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Ignoramus: 1 (Csar)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Kommodus)
Abstained: 2 (Proletariat, Dutch_guy)
Didn't vote: 7 (AggonyDuck, Craterus, Divine Wind, Drisos, God's Grace, Masy, Zalmoxis)
Husar: 4 (Kagemusha, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Csar, Ignoramus)
Csar: 3 (doc_bean, Husar, Xiahou)
Ignoramus: 1 (Craterus)
Kagemusha: 1 (discovery1)
Abstained: 5 (Masy, Seamus Fermanagh, Don Corleone, AggonyDuck, Dutch_guy)
Didn't vote: 6 (Crazed Rabbit, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, God's Grace, Reenk Roink, Silver Rusher)
You're just making me more confident of my suspicions. I'm not going to go back and quote all of your previous statements- people can go back and read it themselves and decide. There's no real "money shot" as far as quotes go anyhow- it's more a pattern than any one statement. Killing Sasaki is always a risky maneuver, but I believe you felt your previous interactions with him would leave you off the suspect list.
I'll certainly allow for the possibility that you're innocent- but being the 3rd person to pile on a bandwagon is at least somewhat suspicious. Combine that with the Sasaki murder and your apparent desperation to save your own skin and I feel you're a good lynch choice.
Also, I'd hold off on burning lurkers for at least another round or two until we let the WoG sort some of them out. It's a waste of a lynch to take someone down who's going to get a WoG anyway.
I doubt Sasaki would take me off his suspect list. I would think that Sasaki is more valuable alive then dead IMHO if I was mafia.
Ah thanks. Yeah and you were the third one to pile on the bandwagon against me. Desperate defense no, Vigorous defense yes.
I thank you for voicing your opnions :bow:
Craterus
12-02-2006, 21:14
I'm not deliberately lurking - I'm just generally clueless. Not enough Mafia experience to really know viable mafia tactics or even what I'm supposed to be looking for in a mafioso's behaviour.
(I do realise feigning ignorance might generate a bit of suspicion for me.)
I'm not deliberately lurking - I'm just generally clueless. Not enough Mafia experience to really know viable mafia tactics or even what I'm supposed to be looking for in a mafioso's behaviour.
(I do realise feigning ignorance might generate a bit of suspicion for me.)
Oh come on Craterus. I could have believed that in 2-3 rounds ago. But now that just seems to me like a cover.
Unvote:Ignoramus
Vote:Craterus
Craterus
12-02-2006, 21:34
Is that because I outspammed you last night?
Vote: Csar
Too many pointless posts, hasn't made any really helpful insights into suspects.
I figured you'de do that.
Too many pointless posts? Usually only the posts at the beginning of the game are pointless though there are some in the middle and end that are pointless too but still enough to base a vote off of.
Pannonian
12-02-2006, 22:50
Perhaps I'm being a little me-centric here, but it seems to me that some of the more active investigators have been killed off, particularly the main participants in M3 (myself, Sasaki, AggonyDuck, Kommodus). I would look towards participants in that game. To that end, I would say that one of Csar/Ignoramus is a mafioso. Lynch them both, and you'll catch one.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-02-2006, 23:57
Day #5 Vote Count (as of 5:50pm EST)
Csar = 4 (Craterus, Ignoramus, Seamus, Xiahou)
Discovery1 = 3 (Crazed Rabbit, Destroyer, Discovery1!)
Craterus = 1 (Csar)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Reenk)
No Vote =8 (Don Corleone, Drisos, Dutch Guy, God's Grace, Kagemusha, Masy, Sigurd, Silver
Assuming Disco's vote counts, Csar, until you baited Craterus into a retaliation vote, you had a tie for the death-lead. What were you thinking?:dizzy2:
Actually, that may be crazy/unthinking enough for me to think you innocent. Hmmm....no vote change yet, but....
Csar, you really behave like the grand-inquisitor of Mafia V.
You're spewing your accusations into every directions and if I tried to believe you, I would feel like everybody else, especially those accusing you, were all mafia.:inquisitive:
Do you recognize anything that doesn't fit here?
You seem hyperactive and overeager and you accused me of changing my behaviour?:laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
12-03-2006, 02:49
Unvote: Csar
Vote: Masy
I just don't think Csar is dumb enough to precipitate a retal vote in a close voting contest. His defense otherwise is shrill and suspect, but I can't see a mafioso doing this.
Disco voting for himself the same way -- too cavalier (though he is enough of one not to discount it entirely).
I'm going to vote for Masy because his only active votes were to kill DW. His participation has been spotty since, but he's aroudn often enough not to get wogged.
Kommodus
12-03-2006, 04:58
After a long power-outage, I'm back. And, er, I wish I had more confidence in what I have to say next. But I'll be honest with you guys - my new mafia-finding technique is still a bit in the experimental stages. Because it's a very different concept that I'm using for the first time, I can't be too certain of the results it produces.
Nevertheless, I don't have an infinite amount of time to play around with the numbers, so I'll go out on a limb here. I think Reenk Roink is the Wanax mafioso (NOT A VOTE).
As for how the method works, it's basically...
...
...
...Nah.
Kinda hard to explain, actually, and I need to go to bed. It's late and I have a headache. Look through the thread and voting records yourselves. I'm not saying you should necessarily vote for RR - just look into him at least.
G'night. :zzz:
GeneralHankerchief
12-03-2006, 05:23
Tie vote.
Instead of doing a revote I'm going to keep the voting open for the night (night in USA). When I wake up I want to see this tie broken.
Day #5 Vote Count (as of 5:50pm EST)
Csar = 4 (Craterus, Ignoramus, Seamus, Xiahou)
Discovery1 = 3 (Crazed Rabbit, Destroyer, Discovery1!)
Craterus = 1 (Csar)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 1 (Reenk)
No Vote =8 (Don Corleone, Drisos, Dutch Guy, God's Grace, Kagemusha, Masy, Sigurd, Silver
Assuming Disco's vote counts, Csar, until you baited Craterus into a retaliation vote, you had a tie for the death-lead. What were you thinking?:dizzy2:
Actually, that may be crazy/unthinking enough for me to think you innocent. Hmmm....no vote change yet, but....
I don't like liars Seamus. I don't believe a word he says. I can believe for a couple of rounds that he's trying to get back into the swing of things but 5 rounds no I don't believe that. I don't even think DC was that slow at getting in the game. Craterus has played before so I figure it wouldn't take him too long.
Death Match
12-03-2006, 06:08
HUSAR WAS NOT GUILTY
and I KNOW FEW OTHERS WHICH I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ACCORDING TO THE RULES
yes, and GH does make accidental grammar mistakes. Think about how many he writes each day!
Example (his PM yesterday):
theRTWGuru, you shouldn't have sad that
I just don't think Csar is dumb enough to precipitate a retal vote in a close voting contest. His defense otherwise is shrill and suspect, but I can't see a mafioso doing this.Could be a good defense tactic. It made you change your vote didn't it?
Could be a good defense tactic. It made you change your vote didn't it?
Why are you so intent on killing me?:inquisitive:
HUSAR WAS NOT GUILTY
and I KNOW FEW OTHERS WHICH I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ACCORDING TO THE RULES
yes, and GH does make accidental grammar mistakes. Think about how many he writes each day!
Example (his PM yesterday):
3 PMs and if it was what you say then it wouldn't have been that hard. Plus the two mafia one's would have probably been exactly the same.
Your PM:
Sweep, sweep.
Loud crunching noise could be heard as theRTWGuru sweeped(should have been swept his rather big garden. Suddenly he came across a loose paper on the ground.
"Come outside"(wouldn't you have already been outside)
Startled, Guru when outside and saw two men in grey suits and gold ties.
"Take this letter. Don't show this to anybody else."
"What? But why?"
The men walked away. Guru had no choice but to open the letter and read the contents.
"Something is wrong. We want you to investigate. To keep it secret, we want you to show this letter to nobody."
Congratulations!
theRTWGuru, you have been chosen to be the detective of the Mafia V: The Family Strikes Back!
Your job is to post me investigation after each Mafia kills. Remember, you cannot reveal your position after your death.
Each member of the mafia PMs me after every execution, with the name of the user they want to kill, along with the method of how they are killed. At the same time, the Detective PMs me with the name of a user they wish to "investigate." I tell the Detective whether that person is innocent or not.
Hmmmm that's pretty fishy don't you think. And post would most likely be PM.
This is from Mafia:II when Tiberius was detective.
Basically your role is to PM me after every execution and provide me with the name of an alive user whom you wish to "investigate." I will reply telling you whether that person is guilty or not.
You can reveal your role at any time, but be careful when you do because unless your timing is perfect, you will almost surely be targeted by the mafia.
While your role is important, it is not as important as the mafia's and if I'm waiting on you for a PM and it's been a decent amount of time, the game will proceed. Basically just make sure not to wait forever to PM me.
I'm sure GH would have included some of this in your PM. I know I did in my mafia game.
I don't believe you RTWGuru there are way too many mistakes in the PM you say is from GH. I don't know why you pulled this stunt. Would you be willing to explain?
Why are you so intent on killing me?:inquisitive:
Cuz you're mafia silly. :wink:
Seriously, you've been fairly suspicious thus far and, unlike Seamus, I'm not willing to let you off the hook just because you do something that seems "dumb" on the surface. Maybe, just maybe you're innocent- but I'm very hesitant to relent on someone just because they do something un-mafia like. That'd be exactly what I'd try to do if it were me. :shrug:
If I let you off the hook, you may be mafia- we may not know til it's too late(Either our detective is reluctant to reveal himself, or is already dead). If you're just a townie, then lynching you isn't that devastating a loss anyhow....
Cuz you're mafia silly. :wink:
Seriously, you've been fairly suspicious thus far and, unlike Seamus, I'm not willing to let you off the hook just because you do something that seems "dumb" on the surface. Maybe, just maybe you're innocent- but I'm very hesitant to relent on someone just because they do something un-mafia like. That'd be exactly what I'd try to do if it were me. :shrug:
If I let you off the hook, you may be mafia- we may not know til it's too late(Either our detective is reluctant to reveal himself, or is already dead). If you're just a townie, then lynching you isn't that devastating a loss anyhow....
Can I yet again point out GF2? And the mafia games before that?:beam:
Csar, you really behave like the grand-inquisitor of Mafia V.
You're spewing your accusations into every directions and if I tried to believe you, I would feel like everybody else, especially those accusing you, were all mafia.:inquisitive:
Do you recognize anything that doesn't fit here?
You seem hyperactive and overeager and you accused me of changing my behaviour?:laugh4:
How else are you going to get people to talk other than voting them or accusing them. I'm just trying to get people to talk. The more discussion we have the more likely we are to get a mafioso to slip up or make a mistake. I think it's called Sasaki's Law:laugh4: Before GF2 I acted in almost the same way. Hard to believe I know :shocked:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-03-2006, 11:39
I agree with Kommodus, Reenk Roink is a much better choice than Csar. This is the first game he's deviated from his abstaining, it's probably because he's been lynched for it in the past and he wants to stay alive. He is also capable of being the Wanax writer, and now that I think of it the write up for my kill is very much like him.
Csar just wants his post count up. He'd stay low like last game (which was very succesful) if he was mafia.
Craterus
12-03-2006, 17:40
I don't like liars Seamus. I don't believe a word he says. I can believe for a couple of rounds that he's trying to get back into the swing of things but 5 rounds no I don't believe that. I don't even think DC was that slow at getting in the game. Craterus has played before so I figure it wouldn't take him too long.
What exactly is the swing of things? :juggle2:
Because all you "experts" clearly haven't found the Mafia yet, so maybe you could educate this "noob" on how to help? For me, I'm just reading words. I understand that sometimes a person will give something away through wrong choice of words, but I'll be honest - I haven't been assessing every word of every post. I've just been reading things and hoping other people would come up with some convincing arguments as to which way I should be voting. After all, you guys are the experts, right?
GeneralHankerchief
12-03-2006, 18:17
Come on, people. Someone else vote.
What exactly is the swing of things? :juggle2:
Because all you "experts" clearly haven't found the Mafia yet, so maybe you could educate this "noob" on how to help? For me, I'm just reading words. I understand that sometimes a person will give something away through wrong choice of words, but I'll be honest - I haven't been assessing every word of every post. I've just been reading things and hoping other people would come up with some convincing arguments as to which way I should be voting. After all, you guys are the experts, right?
That's just horrible. In GF1 Sasaki and GH led bandwagons against people and they won as the mafia. Following someone else's arguements (that you know is not innocent) is not a good thing to do. If anything follow Kommodus atleast he's a proven innocent and has a weird way of catching mafioso's. In Mafia IV: he got Masy with some kind of mathematical thing.
Craterus
12-03-2006, 18:26
I'm not going to blindly jump on bandwagons. I'm just waiting for some people to throw some ideas around and actually provide a bit of evidence. Once I've had a closer look at these things and decided if this person is worth the vote, I'll make a decision.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-03-2006, 18:26
That's why you should all vote Reenk Roink.
That's why you should all vote Reenk Roink.
Why are you so intent on killing RR?:inquisitive: I trust Kommodus's judgement so I'll vote RR.
Unvote:Craterus
Vote:Reenk Roink
Csar just wants his post count up. He'd stay low like last game (which was very succesful) if he was mafia
How dare you insult me with such a slander of my good name. :(
Craterus
12-03-2006, 18:40
Ugh... I have a feeling I'll regret this (either Csar is the real mafioso and I single-handedly got him off gallows, or my assasination is coming up right after this tie is decided)
Unvote: Csar
Vote: Reenk Roink
He was part of the EB team, may have some knowledge on the wanax prospect. Supposed suspicious activity in different behaviour from other games? I wouldn't know :confused:
GeneralHankerchief
12-03-2006, 18:44
Voting over (finally).
Stand by for the execution.
Ugh... I have a feeling I'll regret this (either Csar is the real mafioso and I single-handedly got him off gallows, or my assasination is coming up right after this tie is decided)
Unvote: Csar
Vote: Reenk Roink
He was part of the EB team, may have some knowledge on the wanax prospect. Supposed suspicious activity in different behaviour from other games? I wouldn't know :confused:
RR usually abstains the entire game. But this game he stopped abstaining around the time BG got lynched. It's weird for him to do that.
GeneralHankerchief
12-03-2006, 19:28
Chief of Police Beirut was is no mood to have another revote after there was a tie. So he kept voting open a lot longer in hopes that some of the less-active villagers would take the hint and vote.
No such luck. Those people just kept doing... whatever it was that they did. Still determined, however, Beirut kept the voting open through the oddly clear night. It was the most beautiful night that any of the villagers in the Frontroom had ever seen. The temperature was perfect, there was not a cloud in the sky, and a shooting star even passed over their heads.
Maybe that's why nobody else bothered to vote, because they wanted to stay out in the night for a little while longer. But finally, the tie had been broken. Craterus had changed his vote from Csar to Reenk Roink, thus unwittingly sealing discovery1's fate.
Disco went nuts when he heard the final tally. It took six villagers to restrain him from killing Craterus. He was dragged to a freshly-dug gravesite, kicking and screaming and yelling at Craterus. The majority of the material is unprintable.
"You should be an honorary Michigan Wolverine, you *bleep*! You and the rest of you *bleep* *bleep* *bleeeeeeeeeeeeep*!"
Beirut looked at Disco with utter contempt. "Discovery1," he said, "You are hereby sentenced to death for un-Frontroomish language and murder, in that order. Ordinarily I would ask you if you had any last words, but I think I already know what they are. So..."
Beirut kicked Disco in his privates. Disco, gasping, tumbled into his grave, and Beirut started shoveling the dirt back on. Eventually he was completely buried and the townspeople could still hear him gasping for breath.
"Okay people," Beirut said. "That's all."
"ABSOLUTELY NOT," said a voice that seemed to come from everywhere at once and nowhere at all at the same time.
"H-huh?" Beirut was shocked. "W-who is this? Is this the mayor? I'm s-sorry Sir, it's just-"
"SILENCE!" the voice boomed. "THIS IS GOD. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW ME AS GENERAL HANKERCHIEF.
"IT APPEARS TO ME AS IF SOME OF YOU PATHETIC VILLAGERS CARE LITTLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS GLORIOUS KINGDOM OF PEACE AND LOVE, THE FRONTROOM. SO I SAY THIS TO THEM: IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR YOUR VILLAGE, THEN SURELY YOU DON'T CARE FOR YOUR WELL-BEING. HOPEFULLY AFTER THIS THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARTICIPATION, AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET RID OF THE MAFIA."
The shooting star that they had seen earlier looped around, and started to come closer to the earth. The villagers ran away, but three people stood transfixed, gaping at the meteor that was coming closer and closer.
It impacted the town square in a fiery crash, leaving a crater three times as big as the one in Matrix: Revolutions in the final battle between Neo and Smith. After they were sure that no other meteors were coming, the villagers made their way to the crater, and saw three bodies inside. They were clearly the corpses of Drisos, God's Grace, and Masy.
"MAYBE NOW YOU CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AND VANQUISH THE MAFIA. I WILL LEAVE YOU NOW... UNLESS MORE PEOPLE DECIDE TO BE LAZY."
"Wait a minute," yelled one villager. "What do all those Bible passages mean?"
There was just some eerie laughter, and that was all.
Here is the voting total for Round 5:
discovery1: 3 (Destroyer of Hope, Crazed Rabbit, discovery1) :skull:
Csar: 2 (Xiahou, Ignoramus)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Csar, Craterus)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Masy: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Absained: 1 (Don Corleone)
Didn't vote: 7 (Kagemusha, Silver Rusher, Dutch_guy, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Drisos, God's Grace, Masy)
~~~~~~~
Still alive: (13)
Seamus Fermanagh
Kagemusha
Craterus
Xiahou
Silver Rusher
Don Corleone
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Csar
Reenk Roink
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Wrath of God/Committed seppuku:
Divine Wind
Drisos
God's Grace
Masy
Killed:
UltraWar
Sir Moody
Pannonian
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Sasaki Kojiro
theRTWGuru
Kommodus
Proletariat
AggonyDuck
doc_bean
Executed:
Hepcat
Banquo's Ghost
Zalmoxis
Husar
discovery1
Note from GH: Masy asked to commit suicide because he had a lot of studying to do coming up and couldn't really make it here. The other two were Wrath of Godded. I will kill more if I have to.
Reenk Roink
12-03-2006, 19:59
I had read Kommodus' accusation last night, but only wanted to respond now. You will see why...
I, Reenkasnoop, am the detective. :2thumbsup:
I choose to reveal now, because I am as good as dead. I will be lynched by you because Kommodus is pretty good about his picks (though he was uncertain about me). If not, then the Mafia will kill me later on. But I am certain they won't kill me this round, because I am a convenient scapegoat, and every lynch counts now.
This realism system of GH is very helpful, because I can make investigations without worry of being killed immediately.
Sorry to say, but I have not pinpointed any Mafia.
I do have my journal/write-up going:
Reenkasnoop’s Report
I was extremely happy to be named detective for Mafia V. My careful gathering of the clues, plus this special ability meant that the villagers would have a good shot against the Mafia. The realism system that GH gave is quite helpful, and I will try to make use of it...
Round 1 –
Investigation: Kagemusha
Result: Innocent
Round 1 is always random, and the best a snoop like me can hope for is to get lucky. I didn’t. I went with Kage, he usually always gets a special role and I was hoping for the trend to continue. Kage was found to be innocent, but I can help the villagers narrow down the lynchings with innocents...
The Mafia killed Ultrawar and Sir Moody. This is quite a random set of kills, and the Mafia are trying to keep a low profile.
I am swamped by votes just for abstaining. Luckily I avoided the noose by voting. Still, I didn’t want to draw so much attention to myself. The mafia may see me as a scapegoat and may hold off killing me though.
theRTWguru has also “confessed” to be a detective. Such a rash move will get him the lynch or death by Mafia, and I’m pretty confident that the Mafia wouldn’t be that stupid.
Round 2 –
Investigation: Pannonian
Result: Innocent
I don’t know why Pannonian changed his vote from me after I voted simply because I voted. It seemed like an incredibly weird thing to do. However, he is innocent, so my suspicions of him were unfounded.
Lol. The Mafia killed Pannonian (also EMFM). That was a wasted investigation.
Banquo’s Ghost is getting the crapload of votes, and I understand why. The guy is well read, but the fact that he gave two explanations for such an obscure clue from the Mafia is just odd.
As for me, I’m going to keep quiet this round. Last round was too close. I’ll abstain after a bunch of votes have already been made.
Banquo is definitely too suspicious. I don’t like to trust Sasaki much, as he always gets special roles himself, but Banquo seemed to be getting mad that nobody picked up on his clue, and elaborated himself.
Banquo got lynched. Divine Wind because of his opposition to Banquo is suspicious as well.
Round 3 –
Investigation: Divine Wind
Result: Innocent
Divine Wind turned out to be innocent.
theRTWguru was killed (and Sasaki). He was just too loud to be a Mafia, and this confirmed it. Still, he must have confounded the Mafia as well as the villagers, and they wasted a kill on him.
I have been named by Sigurd as a “bible-thumper”. Nobody voted for me yet though, so it actually works for the better. If the Mafia think I am a valuable scapegoat, they will leave me alone.
Destroyer of Hope is incredibly suspicious. He is playing the same game he did when he was a Mafia.
Zalmoxis got lynched.
Round 4 –
Investigation: Destroyer of Hope
Result: Innocent
DoH is innocent. Can’t vote for him anymore. The Mafia have been very good about hiding their tracks. There is no lead as to their identity.
Kommodus and Prole are killed. Kommodus would have been very helpful with his system. He says he is still going to hunt for the Mafia so that’s good.
Husar is getting the scorn, especially by Sigurd. Frankly, I can’t believe he has survived this long. In fact, the schewdentrunk reference sound like something he would come up with, and Husar is a convenient red herring like I was for “bible-thumping”.
Husar was lynched.
Round 5 –
Investigation: Csar
Result: Innocent
I don’t know what made me investigate Csar, but it was a strong hunch. Turned out wrong though.
AggonyDuck and doc_bean were killed. Apparently the Wanax is gone with Husar’s death. Or so the Mafia would like us to believe. I’m almost certain that Sig did this.
Lol. Kommodus thinks I am the Wanax. I think he has been watching my PM activity. I’m going to reveal next round, after I check out Sig. I’m as good as dead
Sigurd was my investigation this round and he was innocent.
I am extremely confused myself... :huh:
Now, I don't know why Kommodus named me the Wanax. I can guess he was PM watching, though I have been careful to send my PM's to GH. I never use InvisibleMode, so it is possible he got me there. Also, I absentmindedly sent some PM's to Keba about the end fight of NWN2 from a thread in the Arena.
As for my voting record, I have abstained twice, not voted once, and voted twice. I have been less likely to abstain, because I am sick of getting voted because of it. I also stopped it in the other Mafia game, and I will stop it from now on.
Sasaki's accusations I pay no heed to. He is a very unethical player, simply leveling accusations at anyone who he wishes. Not like me who was so particular about voting ethically. :bow:
Anyway, you guys can certainly compare the writing styles of the Mafia with my posts (the ones in the Backroom are long and detailed). I can already see two things that differ from my posts and the Mafia's:
1) Look at the spellings. They are European, at least for the Wanax.
2) Both Mafia's use quotations like standard English. They embed punctuation within the quotes. I think that this is a stupid rule, and I keep punctuation outside of the quotes.
Anyway, You have 4 players who are innocent, making your chances for lynching a Mafia better. I know I am going to die, and because of my clean conscience, I accept my fate. :bow:
You have three choices villagers:
1) Lynch me now. This is a good option because it will stop the use of the Mafia from manipulating me to serve there ends.
2) Put you total trust in me. I know this is hard to do, but it would also help you. It is quite unrealistic, and if I were a villager, I would not elect this option myself. I wish I could post my screenshot but alas, I cannot. :sad:
3) Let me live this round. Don't do this. The Mafia will use it to manipulate us. They could well let me live, causing more suspicion.
Again, good luck villagers. :bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-03-2006, 20:56
Ahahaha. I'm sorry but that whole journal thing smacks of a pre-planned piece to convince the town once you got accused. I did the same thing.
I also like how you point out the differences in the kills writing style from your own to prove you aren't mafia...YOU wrote the kills remember? Or did you as detective just happen to compare the writing style of the kills to your own as you read it?
Sasaki Kojiro
12-03-2006, 21:01
Also, if you were detective, you wouldn't reveal this round. Since Kommodus had fingered you, you were safe from the mafia tonight. You would have waited to see if it would blow over and made sure you got another investigation in tonight. Detective reveal right after "pm's please" is the worst timing ever. But since you are mafia you don't worry about being killed do you?
Also where are your PM's from GH Reenk?
There's nothing there that would convince me that your the detective.
Crazed Rabbit
12-03-2006, 21:07
This would be the worst possible time to reveal.
Right after the lynchings mean the mafia could kill you in the very next 'killings'. You're basically pinning a huge target on yourself, yet you're worried about being lynched?
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
12-03-2006, 21:20
Also,
Real detective, if you're still alive, don't reveal.
Also,
Real detective, if you're still alive, don't reveal.
And you say I'm trying to increase my post count.:inquisitive:
Reenk Roink
12-03-2006, 21:45
Also where are your PM's from GH Reenk?
Original PM:
Congratulations Reenk Roink, you're the detective!
It is your goal to help to town survive. Every "night" (after I post the execution) it is your job to PM me with the name of the person you wish to investigate. I will send you a reply of whether the person is innocent or guilty.
The new "realism system" mentioned has to do with the time you send me PMs. Basically, if you PM me with your investigation before the Mafia send your kills in, the Detective will get his result first, and vice versa. Most likely this will only apply if you wish to reveal yourself and want to get an investigation result in before the kills, but stranger things have happened.
I will soon post the list of everyone alive/playing in the thread. Once that happens, pick who you would like to investigate.
Good luck, watch out for the Mafia, and happy hunting! PM me if you have any questions.
General Hankerchief
Kagemusha investigation:
Heh.
That may be true, but not this time. Kagemusha is innocent.
Pannonian investigation:
Innocent, sorry.
Divine Wind investigation:
Divine Wind is completely innocent.
Destroyer of Hope investigation:
Destroyer of Hope is just your normal, non-mafia, innocent villager.
Sorry.
Csar investigation:
Sorry, but your gut feeling is wrong. Csar is innocent.]
Seems legit RR. But I'm not sure.
Reenk Roink
12-03-2006, 21:54
On the objection that "it is the worst time to reveal":
Sorry, but I am utilizing GH's new realism system. I sent my PM in early, after GH said that there would be no tie break, and he would check the thread in the morning. Once I got word that Sigurd was innocent, I decided to reveal.
Why not reveal before the lynch votes come in?
Kommodus' accusation essentially sealed my fate, and I don't want the Mafia to use me as a manipulation tool.
That's why I tell the villagers to lynch me now, or believe me fully. Don't get wishy-washy.
This argument is inept.
Reenk Roink
12-03-2006, 22:00
Normally I wouldn't even bother to address Sasaki's remarks, but this case is obviously different.
The writing styles are different from mine, and I got the idea to examine them more closely from you. Look at one of the reasons you gave to lynch me:
He is also capable of being the Wanax writer, and now that I think of it the write up for my kill is very much like him.
...
Csar would know this better than anyone... :wink:
Now, to the rest of the reasonable villagers. I know Kommodus is pretty accurate in his system, and therefore, I understand if you want to lynch me. I would do the same thing in your position.
So, if you are not convinced by me, make sure you lynch me this round.
Craterus
12-03-2006, 23:02
Maybe I'm naïve, but I believe him.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-03-2006, 23:05
Reenk edited out the screenshots showing his correspondance with GH from Mafia IV today:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1265968&postcount=511
GUILTY
Craterus
12-03-2006, 23:15
Wow, there's the things I'm supposed to be watching out for. Does that mean we can assume that one of those people he declared innocent is his accomplice?
Sasaki Kojiro
12-03-2006, 23:17
No we can't assume anything from the list he gave, and it would be a terrible mistake to do so. He most likely knew he was going to be lynched and decided to try and flush out the real detective.
Kagemusha
12-03-2006, 23:21
I believe Reenk. He can be well Reenk like sometimes,but i think he is the real detective. I have been thinking hard and long and if reenks list is accurate,i think that i have a suspect for the second Mafioso. Don Corleone.I think he is the bible killer. What i have been reading from Don´s posts. He has been done lots of backround work,becouse he has studied lot of Mafia behaviour. But why? I think that Don has the determination in him that once he gets a job he will work tiresly and do what ever necessary to get the job done. So he has read through old mafia games to learn from their well played manouvers and failures in order to play well his Mafia part. Also i remember from another situations that Don knows his bible. What you think about my accusation Mr Corleone?
Kommodus
12-04-2006, 00:38
Oh jeez. I don't know what to think at this point. My new method is designed to detect behavioral changes and statistical similarities with past mafia behavior by collecting data and tabulating statistics on prior mafia games as well as the current one. The tool also enables me to quickly review all posts made by any given player.
Reenk Roink registered both a behavior change and a similarity to prior mafia behavior. However, this kind of thing could be consistent with detective behavior as well. Even if Mafia IV, I almost fingered him as mafia, before I realised his behavior was more consistent with that of a detective.
Perhaps Reenk should explain why he edited the post from Mafia IV. That is suspicious. However, if Reenk is telling the truth, it helpfully narrows down the list of suspects. Later on I'll try looking at it from both angles to see which is more logically consistent.
Crazed Rabbit
12-04-2006, 00:50
Reenk edited out the screenshots showing his correspondance with GH from Mafia IV today:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=511
GUILTY
Care to explain that, Reenk?
And no, this is a terrible time to reveal; you don't know that the town is going to go after you for the lynching, and you seem much more worried about that than the mafia killing you.
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 01:01
Oh jeez. I don't know what to think at this point. My new method is designed to detect behavioral changes and statistical similarities with past mafia behavior by collecting data and tabulating statistics on prior mafia games as well as the current one. The tool also enables me to quickly review all posts made by any given player.
Reenk Roink registered both a behavior change and a similarity to prior mafia behavior. However, this kind of thing could be consistent with detective behavior as well. Even if Mafia IV, I almost fingered him as mafia, before I realised his behavior was more consistent with that of a detective.
Perhaps Reenk should explain why he edited the post from Mafia IV. That is suspicious. However, if Reenk is telling the truth, it helpfully narrows down the list of suspects. Later on I'll try looking at it from both angles to see which is more logically consistent.
The fact is just about any mafioso is going to claim detective when pressed. They might get believed, they might draw out the real detective, they might get a couple people lynched, they might confuse people with who they name innocent.
You have Reenk's behavior from Mafia IV to go on, he was much more of an abstainer that game.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 01:07
I must confess, I am the hobo. Read it again: hobo. I'm quite sick of all the slander and this "thief" label...:angry:
“IN FACT, EVEN THE WANAX IS UNCERTAIN CONCERNING WHY YOU ADDRESSED HIM INCORRECTLY AS “Wenax.”
It is similar is it not?
It is similar is it not?
Yeah. That seems kinda fishy.
Reenk Roink
12-04-2006, 02:18
Reenk edited out the screenshots showing his correspondance with GH from Mafia IV today:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1265968&postcount=511
GUILTY
Yes, I thought you'd look at that. You see, when I send in my investigations to GH, I usually notice his response depends on my PM. When I send him just a name of a villager, or a simple message, he gives me an "Innocent, sorry" response. When I give him reasoning behind my pick, he will usually send me a longer message. For example, in my PM about Csar, I wrote that I had a gut feeling he was guilty. His response was conditioned likewise. I wrote that Kagemusha had been a brilliant deceiver before, and GH's response was conditioned to that statement.
He gave me two of those "Innocent, sorry" responses in Mafia IV, and one in this game.
I knew Sasaki would hysterically jump on it like usual, saying I wasn't a detective and just using my old PM's. However, he jumped on this, so technically, I was screwed either way. :shrug:
The fact is that Sasaki is like a rabid dog at times. He simply does not let up. The past 30 posts have been him zealously trying to make me get killed. He dismisses any evidence or argument I give immediately, because he has already made his mind up about me. In fact, any suspicious slip I may have is due to Sasaki. I now regret removing those screenshots because it is another excuse for him to accuse me. Doesn't it seem weird to you that he is even more certain than Kommodus about my guilt?
I tell you this... I know I am going to die soon, so I will try and help in any way possible before I do. I already said that I accept my fate. I have given you 4 innocents not to lynch: Kage, DoH, Csar, and Sig. You can beat the mafia knowing this. A detective confirming innocents is almost as valuable as a detective flushing out Mafia.
But Sasaki will not stop with me. Another one of you will soon become his target, and he will hysterically post against you. Look at his most recent evidence against me, "similar is is not?". For God's sake, that can be done to anyone.
Frankly, Sasaki is the most dangerous threat to the villagers. He ruthlessly makes cases against innocents, starts bandwagons, and makes the weaker argument, stronger.
The Mafia actually did a great job by killing him. He is now immune to any accusations we throw against him, and immune to our suspicion, but he continues to sow discord.
I have already said, lynch me if you must. It is the best way to go. Best case scenario, you kill a Mafia and have more certainty than usual, worst case scenario, you kill a detective that has already helped you with his information.
You will have 9 with the kills, and then 8 without me. But 2 lynches is enough, knowing what you know. Good luck! :bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 02:26
Having a little number trouble are we? 11 after the kills and I certainly haven't been attacking you for 30 posts.
Your argument is weak. You thought I would jump all over you because some of GH's responses were the same so you removed the screens? You were assuming then that I would look at them. How did you not realize removing them would make you more suspicious? Also, it isn't like others haven't posted the results of GH's pm's you know.
I don't suppose you'd mind posting those screenshots now would you?
Reenk Roink
12-04-2006, 02:37
Having a little number trouble are we? 11 after the kills and I certainly haven't been attacking you for 30 posts.
Oops, did Sasaki catch me on hyperbole? He must be rubbing off on me... :rolleyes:
Your argument is weak.
Everyone I give seems to be... :rolleyes:
You thought I would jump all over you because some of GH's responses were the same so you removed the screens? You were assuming then that I would look at them. How did you not realize removing them would make you more suspicious? Also, it isn't like others haven't posted the results of GH's pm's you know.
Yes, look at your latest response comparing my hobo to the Wanax. Frankly, you'd jump at anything.
By the way, I was right about you going into old threads wasn't I? I tell you what, I didn't read your mind. I know how you are...
I don't suppose you'd mind posting those screenshots now would you?
You're a mod, can you undo my edits?
No, I don’t have the PM’s from a long finished game 1.5 months back anymore.
I would like nothing more than to post my current screenshots of PM’s though, to silence you once and for all...
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 02:43
Can't undo edits. It's very conveniant that you don't have the pm's anymore. Perhaps you could grace us with a screenshot of your overflowing pm inbox then?
Imageshack also stores the images for you if you have an account.
Can't undo edits. It's very conveniant that you don't have the pm's anymore. Perhaps you could grace us with a screenshot of your overflowing pm inbox then?
Imageshack also stores the images for you if you have an account.
Why would he keep PM's from a game that is over Sasaki? Now your just going on and on about nothing.
I think GH said you can't post screen shots.
Reenk Roink
12-04-2006, 02:53
Yes, it is convenient for me that I delete PM's from 45 days ago about a game that is over, and no, I do not have a imageshack account either. Is that too convenient for you too?
Here's my PM box by the way:
https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7394/1gz6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
Honestly Sasaki, should I just send in a commit suicide PM?
I will do so if you say yes.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-04-2006, 02:58
I still haven't completely sorted our the Kagemusha reveal in the other thread...and now this!:dizzy2:
Reenk:
Kommo is supposed to have some kind of super track record on this. I haven't seen his methodology but....
Sasaki:
You do attack almost every reveal -- except for Kag's in the other thread, I think you've hammered them all.
Hmmmmm...
Reenk Roink
12-04-2006, 02:59
Reenk:
Kommo is supposed to have some kind of super track record on this. I haven't seen his methodology but....
I know. It is completely understandable for you to vote for me.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 02:59
I never bothered to delete pm's until it got full. I don't think 24 is full, is it?
I just realized you can't post a screenshot of your pm list because GH has a rule against mafia revealing themselves.
I don't know why you object to a pursuit of the truth. Accepting something on face value is foolish, and you haven't been acting like a detective.
Crazed Rabbit
12-04-2006, 02:59
The fact is that Sasaki is like a rabid dog at times. He simply does not let up. The past 30 posts have been him zealously trying to make me get killed.
And practically won the game for the village in GF2.
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 03:02
Sasaki:
You do attack almost every reveal -- except for Kag's in the other thread, I think you've hammered them all.
Hmmmmm...
Remember I've falsely claimed detective twice ~D if you go purely statistically Reenks claim only has a 50% chance of being genuine.
Kag would have no reason at all to claim if he was mafia, that's the difference.
Reenk Roink
12-04-2006, 03:06
It's interesting who is going after me the most. Both of them actually voted for me before the game started... :rolleyes:
GeneralHankerchief
12-04-2006, 03:06
Sasaki: PM capacity for normal members is 40.
And btw, I am putting a ban on all screenshots. At least until the game ends. That one that Reenk posted can stay, however.
Kommodus
12-04-2006, 03:09
Guys... I'm going to make a recommendation here.
Do not lynch Reenk Roink yet.
He may be the detective. His story actually looks legit to me, Sasaki's arguments notwithstanding. However, this doesn't make him innocent. I will not let him fall off the radar screen; if I still think he's guilty later on I will remind you. For now, I say let him live and pursue other avenues.
My method has fingered other possible suspects. When I know more, I'll let you know.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 03:18
It's interesting who is going after me the most. Both of them actually voted for me before the game started... :rolleyes:
Interesting that you've stopped responding to arguments, I wondered when the web of lies would unravel.
40 eh? How about that.
I'd be more inclined to believe you if you weren't already on my shortlist for reasons mentioned before you're reveal. Since we can't trust you lynching is the best choice--it's also a good meta-game practice.
Reenk Roink
12-04-2006, 03:23
Interesting that you've stopped responding to arguments, I wondered when the web of lies would unravel.
40 eh? How about that.
I'd be more inclined to believe you if you weren't already on my shortlist for reasons mentioned before you're reveal. Since we can't trust you lynching is the best choice--it's also a good meta-game practice.
I'm sorry I can't keep up with you copious posting. It bores me by now Sasaki... :rolleyes:
Anyway as to this "Since we can't trust you lynching is the best choice--it's also a good meta-game practice" I agree... haven't you seen my posts?
I know. It is completely understandable for you to vote for me.
I have already said, lynch me if you must. It is the best way to go. Best case scenario, you kill a Mafia and have more certainty than usual, worst case scenario, you kill a detective that has already helped you with his information.
That's why I tell the villagers to lynch me now, or believe me fully. Don't get wishy-washy.
Fact is, with my info, villagers can go for the win...
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 03:29
I'm sorry I can't keep up with you copious posting. It bores me by now Sasaki... :rolleyes:
Anyway as to this "Since we can't trust you lynching is the best choice--it's also a good meta-game practice" I agree... haven't you seen my posts?
Fact is, with my info, villagers can go for the win...
Oh, but you expected the lynch going in. You realized the jig was up and just wanted to mess with the town and maybe cause a detective to reveal himself.
It was obvious from your initial post that you didn't expect to be believed. If you were the detective then lynching you would be a terrible choice.
Guys... I'm going to make a recommendation here.
Do not lynch Reenk Roink yet.
I'd be inclined to agree, were his edit of a prior thread not so damning. It'd be alot less suspicious without that. OTOH, it might have been even more damning had Sasaki found that Reenk's supposedly new investigation results were verbatim copy and pastes from an older game. Hmmm...
Kommodus
12-04-2006, 06:16
I'd be inclined to agree, were his edit of a prior thread not so damning. It'd be alot less suspicious without that. OTOH, it might have been even more damning had Sasaki found that Reenk's supposedly new investigation results were verbatim copy and pastes from an older game. Hmmm...
It's completely reasonable to assume that GH might use the same two-word investigation response multiple times. The phrase "innocent, sorry" occuring verbatim more than once means nothing.
Here's what does mean something, IMO:
1. Reenk's alteration of an old post from a former game looks like an attempt to conceal something. Reenk, if you're innocent, you should remember this in the future: the truth will set you free. Let the whole truth be known and count on reason to interpret it correctly. It may not always work, but it's the best shot anyone has.
2. Since Reenk was the detective in an earlier game, he would know how to forge a reveal if he wanted to. Revealing one's self as the detective when in danger is, of course, always somewhat suspicious. It's been done both falsely (Sasaki in Mafia II and Cosa Nuova and GH in Godfather II) and honestly (Tiberius in Mafia II).
Guys, I know it doesn't really look good for Reenk. My method identified him as having a special role but couldn't distiguish what role that is.
All I'm asking for is one more round.
By my count the villagers probably have about four more rounds to get the mafia. Let Reenk get in one more "investigation" - it'll give us more information no matter what the truth ends up being.
One more round, guys. That's it. You won't lose the game by giving 'im one more chance.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 11:56
I'm not sure that's wise. If he investigates and gets a guilty result what then? So maybe he was right and we lynch that person. Then next round, waddayaknow, he get's another guilty result.
With 11 alive we lynch
With 8 alive we lynch
With 5 alive we lynch
game over. Only 3 left. Masy suiciding really hurt us.
Now, we aren't going to get any more or less sure about Reenk as time goes on. We WILL get a better idea of who the mafia/other mafioso is as the rounds progress by process of elimination. Mathematically it's advantageous to lynch him now. Look at it this way: say we discuss a lot and find person X suspicious and lynch him and then Reenk the next day. If we'd lynched Reenk first theres a good chance person X would have been killed that night.
The only reason to leave Reenk alive is if we KNOW we can trust his results and we just don't know that.
I'd suggest lynching Reenk next round and and not talking to much, not casting too much suspicion. If we make it clear we suspect certain people the mafia will leave them alive (this is why I've been kinda quite, the mafia have killed a couple people I was watching).
Kagemusha
12-04-2006, 15:52
Don im waiting here. Or are you just trying to avoid attention and kill me next night?
Reenk Roink
12-04-2006, 15:56
It's completely reasonable to assume that GH might use the same two-word investigation response multiple times. The phrase "innocent, sorry" occuring verbatim more than once means nothing.
Here's what does mean something, IMO:
1. Reenk's alteration of an old post from a former game looks like an attempt to conceal something. Reenk, if you're innocent, you should remember this in the future: the truth will set you free. Let the whole truth be known and count on reason to interpret it correctly. It may not always work, but it's the best shot anyone has.
2. Since Reenk was the detective in an earlier game, he would know how to forge a reveal if he wanted to. Revealing one's self as the detective when in danger is, of course, always somewhat suspicious. It's been done both falsely (Sasaki in Mafia II and Cosa Nuova and GH in Godfather II) and honestly (Tiberius in Mafia II).
Look, it seems easy to criticize what I did now, but frankly, if I had to do it again I would. I knew Sasaki would go back and try to dig up dirt on me to discredit me. Seeing how similiar some of my PM's of this game were to my last game PM's, I don't think it unreasonable to suspect Sasaki of trying to do this.
Yes, it is true that earlier detectives will have an easier time "faking" it, but frankly, I don't know how we are going to play the game if this is how it is going to be.
The fact is, thinking it unlikely (I'm sure some people do) that I could be a detective in Mafia IV and then Mafia V is a statistical fallacy.
One can't suspect someone just because they were a detective last time.
Now please listen here. Although I could have forged all my PM's, take a look at the inital PM GH gave me. It has explanations of the "realism" mode. My previous PM in IV did not have that, and though it is not conclusive, it should not be dimissed either.
Now, GH is delaying posting the kills due to me revealing and the realism mode (haven't you seen how sometimes kills are posted almost right after executions and sometimes they are delayed?).
After he posts the kills, we have 11. If you believe me, then 5 of those 11 are innocent (me + 4 innocents I named (Kage, DoH, Csar, Sig)).
Even if you don't believe me and lynch me, do not kill those 4 simply because I said they were innocent. You should definitely not jump to such a conclusion! They will help you in narrowing down the list, and making you last 3 lynches count...
Don Corleone
12-04-2006, 22:06
I believe Reenk. He can be well Reenk like sometimes,but i think he is the real detective. I have been thinking hard and long and if reenks list is accurate,i think that i have a suspect for the second Mafioso. Don Corleone.I think he is the bible killer. What i have been reading from Don´s posts. He has been done lots of backround work,becouse he has studied lot of Mafia behaviour. But why? I think that Don has the determination in him that once he gets a job he will work tiresly and do what ever necessary to get the job done. So he has read through old mafia games to learn from their well played manouvers and failures in order to play well his Mafia part. Also i remember from another situations that Don knows his bible. What you think about my accusation Mr Corleone?
Sorry, reall life has attacked again. That, and I'm having a very hard time keeping the 2 mafia games straight. I don't think I'll play in 2 again :dizzy2: (and if the mafia are looking for a willing victim, come & get me).
You're basically making the argument that I warned everone about in GF2, that simply by not acting like an imbecile, I was going to come off as suspicious.
Yes, I'm paying more attention to people's actions. And yes, I do know more than a bit of scripture. But those 2 facts hardly confirm me as a mafioso. I appreciate your vote of confidence in my dilligence, but if anything, my poor showing in posting sort of contradicts that. Were I truly trying to be a masterful mafia, wouldn't I be jumping on every twist to spin it my own way?
I'm afraid I don't buy Reenk's defense. Sasaki has made some good points (did I just say that!?) and while I like Reenk, his answers haven't given me any warm fuzzies. I know voting for him will make me look further suspicious yet, but until he answers Sasaki on a few of the specific charges and doesn't make emotional appeals, I'm afraid I have to throw my hat in that corner. If he's not the 2nd mafia, I fully understand I'll be a prime candidate next round. No offense Reenk, I'm just not convinced. :shrug:
Vote: Reenk
Kagemusha
12-04-2006, 22:24
Convinient explanation there Don,altough your vote for Reenk was pretty hasty since we start only voting, when the next day arrives on the kingdom of love and peace, the Frontroom.:smash:
Don Corleone
12-04-2006, 22:31
Crapola... I finally make up my mind, then I go back and read Reenk's last post a little more closely, and saw what I had been looking for all along.
It all comes down to the list of innocents. 5. For 5 rounds. So either
A) Reenk didn't plan his detective role out the greatest and decided to reveal sooner than he needed to...
OR
B) He's using the detective role as cover. Now, Reenk's been around a while, and I think he knows claiming to be the detective after the landslide starts just makes you look all the guiltier, especially given his 0-5 record as detective (he can't even offer the town anything to go on).
Reenk's more rational than that. I've talked myself out of it.
unvote: Reenk.
Now, who do I go for if not Reenk.
I'm afraid I really don't have anything to go on. Sasaki going after Reenk? Well, that's just Sasaki being Sasaki.
Okay, time to look even more suspicious..
Vote: Abstain If this doesn't line me up for a lynch next round, nothing will. But frankly, for not keeping up better, I deserve it. :shame:
Don Corleone
12-04-2006, 22:40
I know this terribly paranoid, but has anybody considered that Sasaki IS mafia and since they get two kills regardless of 1 or 2 of them, he came up with a Machiavellian plan of targeting himself, making himself an unimpeachable witness?
Don Corleone
12-04-2006, 22:49
Why am I even agonizing like this? We're in a murder phase (night) not a voting phase (day) or do I have those 2 reversed? Anyway, my abstain vote is safe while I'm bungling around, trying to get caught up.... Any guesses as to who's going to get whacked tonight?
Craterus
12-04-2006, 23:37
Funny feeling it's me. I wish the kills would come soon, it's like waiting to go over the top (only a lot less dramatic). And there's a possibility I won't be able to get online tomorrow night.
Why am I even agonizing like this? We're in a murder phase (night) not a voting phase (day) or do I have those 2 reversed? Anyway, my abstain vote is safe while I'm bungling around, trying to get caught up.... Any guesses as to who's going to get whacked tonight?
Either way it will be two of the four people RR claimed as innocent.
Pannonian
12-04-2006, 23:41
I know this terribly paranoid, but has anybody considered that Sasaki IS mafia and since they get two kills regardless of 1 or 2 of them, he came up with a Machiavellian plan of targeting himself, making himself an unimpeachable witness?
Mafia can't kill each other. The only way they can do so is to join in a lynching.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-04-2006, 23:44
I know this terribly paranoid, but has anybody considered that Sasaki IS mafia and since they get two kills regardless of 1 or 2 of them, he came up with a Machiavellian plan of targeting himself, making himself an unimpeachable witness?
~D ~D ~D ~D ~D
Craterus
12-04-2006, 23:45
GH is online... Anytime soon, right?
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2006, 00:03
Yeah, they're coming. My computer ate the kills when I was almost done, so I'm kind of mad. They'll be up shortly.
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2006, 00:34
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. It was a bitterly cold morning, but nevertheless Csar was on sitting on a bench in the village park. However, he was having no fun. First of all, it was very cold out. Second of all, he had work to do. He was hunched over a thick book, furiously scribbling notes down.
A long, dark shadow suddenly came over him. Csar looked up to see what was blocking the sun. He saw a tall figure, wearing a wide brimmed hat with grapes on it. “Csar,” the figure said in a cold, evil voice.
“Oh it’s you Wanax -” Csar said, quite annoyedly, “move out of the way.”
The Wanax raised an eyebrow, or at least that was what Csar perceived, contrary to the fact that the dark void face of The Wanax remained static. “You are not terrified or even intimidated by The Wanax?”
Csar replied: “Normally I would be, but this Calculus is more terrifying and intimidating than any crazed Wanax could ever be.
“Hmm-” mused The Wanax as he plucked a grape from his hat, “I cannot have any rival causing fear around. Very well Csar, I shall help you end your worries concerning Calculus.”
“Really! Thanks Mr. Wanax!” Csar was ecstatic.
“Yes-Yes, anyway, I offer you two choices to end the cancer of calculus: The Analyst or the Phasgana.”
Csar was confused: “I don’t have any idea what either of those are.”
The Wanax rolled his eyes, which furthered perturbed Csar, as the void face remained static. He answered: “The Analyst or A Discourse Addressed to an Infidel Mathematician is Berkeley’s devastating attack on calculus. Now, subsequent mathematicians have addressed the refutations of Berkeley and tried to rigourously defend calculus, most notably Robinson, but it still remains an important challenge.”
The Wanax continued, though his voice had turned conspicuously evil: “However, I do not believe you are able to grasp the theoretical depth of The Analyst, so I shall acquaint you with the phasgana.
Csar noticed this change of tone and suddenly grew scared. "W-what's the phasgana?"
The Wanax grinned, although Csar could see nothing. "Let me show you."
Csar was found, cleaved in half, on the bench. Among the massive amount of blood was a business card with a grape watermark. Embossed on it were the words: ‘The Wanax.’
At the same time, Sigurd Fafnesbane was also out in the cold, admiring the Frontroom cliffs and just meditating. He knew that most likely he would die, so he might as well be at peace with himself before that time game.
So Sigurd passed the day by just staring out to the sea, immune to the cold. He was a Norwegian, after all. This kind of weather didn't bother him in the least.
However, what he saw next chilled to the bone. He could see a Bible passage painted onto one of the extremely pointy rocks below.
In shock, Sigurd turned around, wondering if anybody was around. He saw, right behind him, a man in sunglasses and a trenchcoat, grinning.
"Hello," said the mafioso, and punched Sigurd in the jaw. He went down, hard, but the mafioso grabbed his collar and dragged him to the edge of the cliffs.
"By the way, that Bible passage will be a lot easier to read on the way down." With that, the mafioso pushed Sigurd off the cliffs.
His statement was proven true. The last thing Sigurd saw before impacting on one of the extremely pointy rocks below was the following, painted on another rock:
"Apocalypse 12:9"
Later that day, in Chief of Police Beirut's office (the town square was now no more than a large crater due to the Wrath of God/General Hankerchief), the town was gathered to hear the latest news.
"Gentlemen," Beirut began, "Sorry about the lack of space, but judging by your previous successes room will soon be made. Anyway, Csar and Sigurd have been killed, and the person executed will still be buried alive. So get voting, and if you need to use the bathroom, it's down the hall, third door to your left."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Original post:
Okay, now I'm mad. The stupid thing crashed just as I clicked the "post" button. So, until I feel like writing the kills for a third friggin' time, I'm just going to post a short synopsis of who died.
-Csar was killed by the Wanax.
-Sigurd Fafnesbane was pushed off of a cliff. The Bible passage was "Apocalypse 12:9"
Oh, wait, wasn't I the Wanax? Weren't we all so sure that I was the...well...whatever...
If he's not the 2nd mafia,[...]
And who exactly would be the first? What makes you so sure that one is dead already?
Forgot to add this.
HAHAHAHAHA I AM INNOCENT. ALL YEE WHO DOUBTED ME YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG HAHAHAHAHAHA
Alright Mafia punks.. I am not letting you get away with this without a fight.
Due to GH's computer troubles it seems like he is in fact writing the kills and maybe both of them.
But hey, maybe Husar was the Wanax Mafioso and the Pantomime Mafioso is left to his own devices.. and hence it means more work for GH?
I like the bible reference this time… it is actually a good one. All though I have to wonder if this is the work of the pantomime Mafioso or the work of GH. If it is the work of the Mafioso why is he referring the book of Revelation as Apocalypse? Granted it is apocalyptic and apocalypse is the original title (Apocalypse of John) but no personal Christian would call it that.
So… Kommodus how is that Mafia trap coming?
My suspicions go to either Crazed Rabbit or Silver Rusher
Kagemusha
12-05-2006, 13:55
Vote Don Corleone, i believe that our esteemed Godfather is the second Mafioso and his behaviour after my accusation made him even more suspicious in my eyes.
Don Corleone
12-05-2006, 14:49
Vote Don Corleone, i believe that our esteemed Godfather is the second Mafioso and his behaviour after my accusation made him even more suspicious in my eyes.
I actually have no issue with being lynched. I'm in WAY over my head trying to play 2 games at once (note to new players.... get good at playing one game at a time, play at least 3 or 4, before signing up for 2 at once). But I do warn you, it's a wasted vote. I suspect you already know that Kage, and as your basing your entire argument against me due scriptural knowledge, I'm starting to look at you funny. First, I guarantee I'm not the only person in this thread that can cite scripture. Second, it remains to be seen if the mafia are writing their kills or GH is. Again, I suspect you are already aware of all of this.
Vote: Kagemusha.
Referring to the 'other mafia' was a confusion between games. I strongly suspect we've lynched one of the mafia in Csar's game. My apologies, but I understand, a mistake that's suspicious enough to lynch me over.
P.S. Kage, is it true that your prime minister told his wife he wanted a divorce via SMS? How crass.... I may have to rethink my position on the Finns being the most kindhearted people I've ever met (as a group).
Reenk Roink
12-05-2006, 16:09
The Wanax is back. This would have confirmed my initial theory that Sigurd was trying to frame Husar, but since he has been double confirmed as innocent (investigation + death), that goes out the window.
Still, another person may have tried to frame Husar.
Perhaps Husar was really the Wanax, and his partner resurrected him to confuse us villagers even more.
Anyway, I expect my lynching soon (when the anti-Reenk party shows up), and I accept my fate... :bow:
Seamus Fermanagh
12-05-2006, 19:00
Vote: GeneralHankerchief's PC
:laugh4: :laugh4:
Kag' is there more to the DonC vote than the scripture stuff. I agree he's grounded enough to do them, but it's not like the internet puts it out of reach for anyone else. Que passa?
Mafia can't kill each other. The only way they can do so is to join in a lynching.
Just to put this to bed, can GH confirm that this rule is in place for this game? I assumed so, but don't see it in the stated rules either.
GeneralHankerchief
12-05-2006, 21:35
Xiahou: Correct. The mafia cannot kill each other.
Anyways, the kills are finally in their normal form (see above).
Alright looking at the kills I strongly suggest you lynch Reenk. I cannot give you my reasons yet, but I will I promise.
But hey, maybe Husar was the Wanax Mafioso and the Pantomime Mafioso is left to his own devices..
Nonono, my partner just submitted the Wanax kill that I wrote for him.:2thumbsup:
Then again, what can we now learn from the disappearing and reappearing of the Wanax?
Nothing?!:juggle2:
Craterus
12-05-2006, 21:51
I could swear I read dutch_guy in that kill somewhere and I believe it's been edited out now.
There's absolutely no evidence for this except my word. And if you look at the time of GH's post (20:35 GMT) and the latest edit on the kills post (20:40 GMT). He would have edited the kill post to put in kills and then posted his update about it afterwards. But clearly upon reading the kill a second time, he's seen his mistake and edited it out.
Slip of the mind could give us an answer here.
Vote: Dutch_guy
Dutch_guy
12-05-2006, 22:19
So, Craterus, what are you saying ?
Everybody knows that only the victims, and the chief of police, are named in the kill descriptions. So, let's just assume my name was indeed written there, for whatever reason, I'd be confirmed innocent (and, dead for that matter). Now, I wasn't online between 2035 and 2040 so I didn't have the chance to..see..my name in the kill descriptions. I daresay anyone else did, for that matter, If I'm wrong please speak up.
Anyway, it seems that because my name was supposedly (your word against mine, and GeneralH's*) written in the kill descriptions you vote for me ?
Wouldn't it mean that I was innocent, instead of guilty ?
I daresay a hoster like GeneralH would leave a name other than one of a victim in the kill descriptions.
You're being quite vague, Craterus...
* are you allowed to confirm this, or deny it ?
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-05-2006, 22:24
We have like 2 hours left and a 3 way tie (Don, Kage, and Dutch_guy).
No choice left but Reenk.
Craterus
12-05-2006, 22:27
Well, GH may have just accidentally substituted the name of the victim for the name of the killer. It's possible.
It's also an explanation for the wanax thing.We talk on IM quite a bit and if you framed me, your intention perhaps, you could probably tell me about your role. I'm sure I had a rant about whispers from the dead to you in the past. I think that once you're dead, you're dead. Your fellow townies are on their own.
Crazed Rabbit
12-05-2006, 22:40
Hmmm- Don, Kage, or Dutch_guy?
Vote: Reenk Roink
For reasons already stated.
Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
12-06-2006, 00:53
We have a four-way tie, so there's no point in me closing voting.
Looks like it'll be open through the night again.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-06-2006, 00:59
4 way tie. Don, Dutch, Kag, Reenk w/ 1 apiece.
Our esteemed dead say Reenk or Reenk/Don or CR/SR - still no concensus.
Kommo: any input here?
...I am getting sick of these reveals. All mafia games are littered with detectives all of whom seem to be deniable. AAAAARGH!!!
I guess I'd lean toward taking Reenk out, but Kommo isn't confirming his stance...90 minutes to ponder.
Reenk Roink
12-06-2006, 01:08
Personally, I think Dutch_guy/Silver Rusher are quite suspicious. Dg because of the weird reference in the kill, and SR because he has been extremely quiet.
Yeah, I know the case against Dg is weak, but SR is a serious concern.
I also have my eyes on 2 others of you. I won't name you to blow the cover, but beware, you have more than one hound on you... :wink:
I will not use my vote to save myself though...at least not yet... :bow:
Seamus Fermanagh
12-06-2006, 01:22
Reenk, I want to believe you, cause your "investigations" would give us a narrow field and a solid win. I just can't.
Kommo reads his I-ching board or whatever and names you as the Wanax (page 19).
You do not respond until after the tie is broken (with votes shifting toward you!) and Disco lynches himself -- I never quite understood that -- but you leap into reveal mode before disco's body is done twitching.
You reveal, and note your unsuccessful investigations. That happens.
Then the attacks on your reveal come. You provide answers for each.
A PM is requested. You provide it. Your PM seems to be in order, very much as Hanky would have written it. Others note that it seems to have been an edited/redacted copy of a PM from an earlier game. You assert its validity.
All of your answers are possible, and I could be wrong, but in re-reading this it strikes me that you were never PRO-active with any of this. Every point your put up was essentially a reaction to some threat/query. When I revealed in CN, following the Kage/Sasaki feud, I revealed with everything, up front, and fired for effect. You're too smart not to know the value of that.
All in all, its not your answers, but their piecemeal character that seem damning to me. Feel free to answer, I might even be persuadable, but don't do a piecemeal response this time.
unvote: GH's PC
Vote: Reenk Roink
Wow, what a conundrum... I was hoping to let Reenk go another round to see what develops, but with a close vote there's few other appealing choices. I keep trying to think of a way to let him live, but the reveal was truly slipshod.
vote:Reenk
Kommodus
12-06-2006, 06:46
Sorry guys. I still don't have any definite answers. According to my numerical method, Reenk is still as good a choice as any, though I did want to see him live another round. My opinion was that his "reveal" was actually quite solid; I saw no real problems with it.
I suppose it doesn't matter now; he's getting a pretty clear majority. I have a terrible feeling about this though.
Two more rounds... better get 'em right. :shame:
discovery1
12-06-2006, 09:41
Vote: Dutch_Guy because
Wait, wasn't I lynched?
doc_bean
12-06-2006, 10:13
Is Silver Rusher still playing ? I don't think I've seen him post lately. I say wait for the WoG (make it happen General !), if he suddenly post again, or has posted but such not much, I'd say he's acting quite suspicious.
I'd luck at the other lurkers too, right now you're pretty much just voting on active members, killing active members makes you suspect that the killer is also an active member (not that i understand where that comes from), if the killer noticed the same thing he (they ?) might keep targeting active members while keeping a low profile themselves.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-06-2006, 10:21
Personally, I think Dutch_guy/Silver Rusher are quite suspicious. Dg because of the weird reference in the kill, and SR because he has been extremely quiet.
Yeah, I know the case against Dg is weak, but SR is a serious concern.
I also have my eyes on 2 others of you. I won't name you to blow the cover, but beware, you have more than one hound on you... :wink:
I will not use my vote to save myself though...at least not yet... :bow:
Silver Rusher hasn't been online in a week. He's confirmed innocent.
The Dutch_Guy case makes some sense, it could have been:
Hey GH heres my kill:
"Blah Blah Wenax blah blah"
--Dutch Guy
and GH forgot to remove the sig line when he posted the kills. However given GH's comment about the computer eating his kills this seems unlikely. It's also totally lame so I wouldn't vote based on it anyway.
Kagemusha
12-06-2006, 13:51
I actually have no issue with being lynched. I'm in WAY over my head trying to play 2 games at once (note to new players.... get good at playing one game at a time, play at least 3 or 4, before signing up for 2 at once). But I do warn you, it's a wasted vote. I suspect you already know that Kage, and as your basing your entire argument against me due scriptural knowledge, I'm starting to look at you funny. First, I guarantee I'm not the only person in this thread that can cite scripture. Second, it remains to be seen if the mafia are writing their kills or GH is. Again, I suspect you are already aware of all of this.
Vote: Kagemusha.
Referring to the 'other mafia' was a confusion between games. I strongly suspect we've lynched one of the mafia in Csar's game. My apologies, but I understand, a mistake that's suspicious enough to lynch me over.
P.S. Kage, is it true that your prime minister told his wife he wanted a divorce via SMS? How crass.... I may have to rethink my position on the Finns being the most kindhearted people I've ever met (as a group).
Don you know better then that to judge countries by their politicians.~;) Im restraining myself from Mafia games for today,since our Independence day has caused me to open up a bottle of Rum.~:cheers:
It's also totally lame so I wouldn't vote based on it anyway.
I totally agree with you there.:2thumbsup:
Craterus
12-06-2006, 17:54
So it was dutch_guy who referred to it as Wenax?
I always thought that was a deliberate spelling mistake, but forgot to note down who said it.
I know the case is weak, but I think I'm right about DG.
Dutch_guy
12-06-2006, 19:12
So it was dutch_guy who referred to it as Wenax?
I always thought that was a deliberate spelling mistake, but forgot to note down who said it.
I know the case is weak, but I think I'm right about DG.
Vote: Dutch_Guy because
Wait, wasn't I lynched?
Silver Rusher hasn't been online in a week. He's confirmed innocent.
The Dutch_Guy case makes some sense, it could have been:
and GH forgot to remove the sig line when he posted the kills. However given GH's comment about the computer eating his kills this seems unlikely. It's also totally lame so I wouldn't vote based on it anyway.
I never even posted the word 'Wenax' in a post before this one, a quote would be nice Craterus - it would help your already weak case, I'd say.
Disco, you're dead already :
Executed:
Hepcat
Banquo's Ghost
Zalmoxis
Husar
discovery1
Sasaki
Well, Why would GeneralH include my name in the kill descriptions. I daresay he'd put a name of any other person other than the victim in there - unless it was some poor attempt at a frame by a mafioso. This isn't the first game he's hosting you know, I doubt he make such a mistake.
Guys, we don't have all too many lynches left, let's not waste one on a case this weak and inconclusive...
:balloon2:
Craterus
12-06-2006, 19:50
It's entirely feasible that the host might substitute the name of the victim with the killer. As he's writing the kill, he's probably thinking about how the killer might like to see it written. While thinking all about what the killer's message in the kill might be, he might accidentally put in the killer's name. Freudian slip?
GeneralHankerchief
12-06-2006, 21:35
Voting over.
Stand by for the execution.
Reenk Roink
12-06-2006, 21:52
Good luck. :bow: I hold no spite.* ~:grouphug:
*Sasaki is permaexclusalisted though... :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
12-06-2006, 22:01
After several hours of voting, the remaining people of the Frontroom, who were all packed in Chief of Police Beirut's office were all tired and annoyed. Part of this had to do with the conditions, but also because a good number had received votes.
"Okay, quiet everyone. I'm going to make this as quick as possible. By a vote of 3-1-1-1, Reenk Roink is hereby sentenced to death. Now come on, let's go outside and bury this sucker."
Everyone in the room aside from Reenk breathed a sigh of relief. They were safe, but more pressingly they were about to get out of that stupid office. Beirut made his way to the door and was about to open it when...
Click.
The door had locked itself. It was almost as a... supreme being had done it! Cue the evil laughter.
"YOU'RE NOT LEAVING JUST YET," said the voice of God/General Hankerchief. "ONE OF YOU HAS NOT LEARNED YOUR LESSON FROM THE LAST NIGHT. SO, IT SEEMS AS IF I AM FORCED TO RE-TEACH ALL OF YOU PATHETIC VILLAGERS."
"Oh, no. Not again."
"YES, AGAIN." BY THE WAY, IT WOULD BE WISER IF YOU VACATED THE PREMISES SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. BECAUSE *I* AM MUCH MORE OF AN EFFICIENT KILLER THAN THAT SILLY WANAX."
Beirut kicked open the office door, and there was a mad scramble to get out. A faint sound from above could be heard, but it was getting closer, fast.
Thinking quickly, one villager punched Reenk Roink in the face. It contorted with pain, and he moved to fight back, but was shoved hard into Beirut's desk. He was about to get up but in the pandemonium a bottle of wine fell from somewhere and knocked Reenk out cold. He was doomed.
"'Scuse me. Move it! Out of the way!" There was much pushing and shoving, and most of the villagers got out of the office just in time, right before a fiery meteor crushed it into oblivion.
Most of them.
Outside the station, Beirut took a head count. "Okay, it looks as if we have nine that made it out... where's Reenk?"
"The meteor got him. We shoved him back into your desk."
"Hmm... well, that simplifies things. Who else didn't make it?"
"I don't see Silver Rusher anywhere..."
Another villager piped in. "Oh, man, I feel guilty. I pushed him aside to get out. It's like he wasn't even around."
Beirut spoke up, quieting everyone. "There's nothing we can do about that. Let's just hope that Reenk and Silver were mafiosi and pray that there won't be any kills tomorrow. Let's go home now. I need to find a new place to tally the voting..."
Here is the voting total for Round 6:
Reenk Roink: 3 (Crazed Rabbit, Seamus Fermanagh) :skull:
Don Corleone: 1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha: 1 (Don Corleone)
Dutch_guy: 1 (Craterus)
Abstained: 2 (Dutch_guy, Reenk Roink)
Didn't vote: 3 (Silver Rusher, Ignoramus, Destroyer of Hope)
~~~~~~~
Still alive: (9)
Seamus Fermanagh
Kagemusha
Craterus
Xiahou
Don Corleone
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
Wrath of God/Committed seppuku:
Divine Wind
Drisos
God's Grace
Masy
Silver Rusher
Killed:
UltraWar
Sir Moody
Pannonian
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Sasaki Kojiro
theRTWGuru
Kommodus
Proletariat
AggonyDuck
doc_bean
Csar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Executed:
Hepcat
Banquo's Ghost
Zalmoxis
Husar
discovery1
Reenk Roink
Sasaki Kojiro
12-06-2006, 22:08
Still think Silver is mafia Reenk :laugh4:
Unfortunatly this means that if we haven't lynched any mafia so far, and we don't lynch one tonight, the mafia win.
I like it when the game turns out suspenseful like this.
Oh and: let's have no discussion of who we find suspicious until after the kills. We don't want to help out the mafia.
Reenk Roink
12-06-2006, 22:18
Still think Silver is mafia Reenk :laugh4:
GH said he would kill off Mafia as well if they were inactive... :rolleyes:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-06-2006, 22:50
GH said he would kill off Mafia as well if they were inactive... :rolleyes:
Yeah, Sure. Silver gets a role as mafia, then disappears for a week (last login 11-29) and gets himself mod-killed.
Given your usual cautious abstention this insistence on his guilt means you're mafia, plain and simple.
GH said he would kill off Mafia as well if they were inactive... :rolleyes:
That would mean there would have been only one kill per round. ;):sweatdrop:
Silver Rusher
12-06-2006, 23:30
Damn, I was literally just about to post when he typed his "Voting Over" post. Ah well.
Sorry, town. At least you know I'm innocent now.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-06-2006, 23:31
Damn, I was literally just about to post when he typed his "Voting Over" post. Ah well.
LOL nice timing :laugh4:
Damn, I was literally just about to post when he typed his "Voting Over" post. Ah well.
Sorry, town. At least you know I'm innocent now.
Suspicious.:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-06-2006, 23:36
Suspicious.:inquisitive:
...getting yourself mod-killed...what a clever mafia ploy, why didn't I think of that :sweatdrop:
...getting yourself mod-killed...what a clever mafia ploy, why didn't I think of that :sweatdrop:
I've still got my eye on you.:inquisitive:
Reenk Roink
12-06-2006, 23:39
Yeah, Sure. Silver gets a role as mafia, then disappears for a week (last login 11-29) and gets himself mod-killed.
Hmm, you have been known to accept less plausible conclusions... Don't start with more crap again. :rolleyes:
Given your usual cautious abstention this insistence on his guilt means you're mafia, plain and simple.
Insistence on his guilt? Please show me where I insisted on his guilt. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
And from this pseudo-charge, it follows that I am guilty. Incredible Sasaki. Please show me your newly discovered axioms that allow you to proceed with that line of reasoning... :rolleyes4:
Kagemusha
12-07-2006, 04:56
Don
Seamus Fermanagh
12-07-2006, 05:05
Is this morphing into the "one word" game thread? :dizzy2:
Is this morphing into the "one word" game thread? :dizzy2:
No :bow:
Craterus
12-07-2006, 12:06
We don't have kills yet.
We don't have kills yet.
Oh, you're right, maybe I should PM.:sweatdrop:
Oh, you're right, maybe I should PM.:sweatdrop:
AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111oneone
:laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
12-07-2006, 22:04
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. After the events of yesterday, when both people who went outside were killed, everybody decided to stay inside again.
Kagemusha was taking his mind off the unending killings in town by drinking Finnish liquor in his flat. This had been going on since he returned home from the execution. but remarkably he was still sober/conscious. He was so enamored in his mug, that he did not hear his door creak open.
A few gulps later, he stood face to face with a tall, dark figure, wearing a wide brimmed hat with grapes on it.
“The Wa - naacks!” Kage exclaimed in half stupor.
“Hello Kagemusha,” greeted The Wanax.
“Before you tell me how you are going to kill me, may I have a grape?” Kagemusha asked.
The Wanax became noticeably angered at this request: “NO, YOU MAY NOT HAVE A SACRED GRAPE!”
His voice lowered back to the cool, evil tone it had previously been: “But you may have your favourite American cereal.”
Kagemusha’s eyes opened wide, and a big grin came over his face: “You mean - !”
The Wanax pulled out a box of Trix. Kagemusha promptly snatched it from the hands of The Wanax and began gnawing away at the cardboard.
Kagemusha apparently favoured his Trix more than he did his drink, and became so enamored in eating it, that he failed to notice The Wanax coating him with white powder and attaching two long, white ears to his head.
Once this had been completed, The Wanax remarked malevolently: “Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids-”
Legions of rabid looking children appeared behind The Wanax, all in possession of knives and forks.
The Wanax addressed them: “Children, that rabbit has stolen your cereal, but the flavour will still be marvelous if you hurry and eat him.”
Kagemusha’s bones were found in his flat the next morning. They had for the most part been licked clean, although one did discover the occasional bit of half-chewed cartilage around.
Later that day, Destroyer of Hope was sleeping in his cabin by the Frontroom Forest. After about six hours last night without luck falling asleep, DoH shot himself with a tranquilizer dart in order to get some rest.
However, that sleep was soon interrupted by a chainsaw working nearby. DoH groaned. He wanted to sleep longer. But then he gasped. First the mafia were killing off the village, and now the Frontroom Forest was being cut down! This was unacceptable!
After getting dressed (which was very annoying since the saw was still going), DoH ran out to yell at these tree-haters. They had already done a lot of work. Several long trunks were being tossed into a pile, and being burned! And they were doing it right in front of his house, on his steps! What a blatant defiance of the local environmental laws, as well as a waste of wood!
DoH stood on the front steps of his house and bellowed, "I want this mess off of my property right now? Who is responsible for this atrocity?!"
Out of nowhere, a black Frankish throwing axe whirled right for DoH's face, striking him between the eyes. He slumped to the stairs in a perfect sitting position, skull split.
Seeing his success, a man with sunglasses and a trenchcoat got into his car and drove off. "I am," he said, grinning, leaving the fire of cedar trees still burning.
On the axe was the Bible passage "Jeremiah 22:7".
~~~~~~~~~~~
*Ding dong*
Chief of Police Beirut opened his door and let the last villager in. After the town square and his office had both been decimated by meteor attacks, the voting would now take place in his home.
"Gentlemen," he announced to the seven villagers, "welcome to my house. I plead to you that everybody votes, since I don't want another meteor coming and making my house a pancake. So get voting, and make yourself comfortable. By the way, the person with the most votes will be executed by repeated strikes on the head with a blunt object. This will be done outside, of course, as I would prefer it if blood did not get on my furniture. "
Sasaki Kojiro
12-07-2006, 22:19
Hmm, not particularly helpful.
I do have to give the Wanax author props though, these kills are really well done.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-07-2006, 22:23
Still alive: (7)
Seamus Fermanagh
Craterus
Xiahou
Don Corleone
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Dutch_guy
Unngh. I have my suspects but nothing clear. Also I'm waiting on a pm from someone.
Kommodus?
Hey Sasaki... why don't you just pop into the chat?
Should scratch Ignoramus off that list Sasaki. Hasn't been on since the 2
Sasaki Kojiro
12-07-2006, 22:50
Should scratch Ignoramus off that list Sasaki. Hasn't been on since the 2
There are several people I believe can be removed from the list of suspects...however I'm not going to mention them unless I have too otherwise they'll just get killed. Like destro, I'm sure no one thought he was guilty.
Hey Sasaki... why don't you just pop into the chat?
Connecting...
Unable to connect : java.net.ConnectException : Connection timed out: connect
~:(
There are several people I believe can be removed from the list of suspects...however I'm not going to mention them unless I have too otherwise they'll just get killed. Like destro, I'm sure no one thought he was guilty.
Connecting...
Unable to connect : java.net.ConnectException : Connection timed out: connect
~:(
Try mIRC Sasaki.:beam:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-07-2006, 23:01
Try mIRC Sasaki.:beam:
The port is blocked.
btw, Sigurd your pm inbox is full.
The port is blocked.
btw, Sigurd your pm inbox is full.
I think you lying. To good to chat with us lowly members Eh?
Vote:Sasaki
btw, Sigurd your pm inbox is full.
Sorry about that.. it has been cleared
The port is blocked.
btw, Sigurd your pm inbox is full.
Unblock it or go home and try there.~;)
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 00:36
Ok, I have definite proof that Crazed Rabbit is mafia. I can't reveal it, but just trust me on this one. He's guilty.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-08-2006, 00:40
Oh come on Sasaki! Were you not already dead you would be lynched for that kind of accusation. SOME proof/line of reasoning, please.
I agree with Seamus, even the master cannot just accuse someone without giving any reasoning.
Crazed Rabbit
12-08-2006, 01:46
Definite proof? From that PM I sent you? Where's all this coming from?
I'm not mafia; I want them all executed. Lynching me will not achieve a town victory. I swear that to be true.
Can I post a copy of the PM exchange between me and Sasaki?
Crazed Rabbit
I have seen the proof and it is conclusive...
Vote:Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
12-08-2006, 02:01
Can I post a copy of the PM exchange between me and Sasaki?
If that was directed at me it's fine.
EDIT: Darnit Sigurd, don't confuse me like that. You're dead.
Crazed Rabbit
12-08-2006, 02:16
heh, games up
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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
What's your take on the game? We're down to 7 now.
Sasaki
Seamus Fermanagh
Craterus
Xiahou
Don Corleone
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Dutch_guy
Well, probably not Ignoramus.
Honestly, I don't really have much of a clue right now.
If I had to pick I'd guess Don C becuase of a faint gut feeling. I do think both mafiosos are probably still alive. On that note, I somewhat regret voting for Reenk.
I assume you've PM'ed Kommodus. I'm going to do some re-reading of the thread.
Crazed Rabbit
The bold is to show the quoted passages, the italics are Sasaki's, and the rest is mine. I got the PM from Sasaki asking for my take and answered truthfully, as I knew him to be innocent. Then, he responds with the 'games up' bit which confused me as I thought he meant the mafia game had ended. So I come back to this thread and see he's accusing me, and so I posted the above post (#703, that is). I can only surmise he thinks I'm guilty because of something in the PM.
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 02:21
I never pm'd CR. He's lying.
Lynch him.
Reenk Roink
12-08-2006, 02:36
It brings me a certain degree of satisfaction that my two detractors are now in the situation they are. I will let you know my thoughts on CR after I consult with my secret source villagers. I will not let you down! :bow:
I never pm'd CR. He's lying.
A bird told me otherwise...
Seamus Fermanagh
12-08-2006, 03:24
I don't get it. CR has run a lowish profile most of the game. He's voted:
Reenk, abstain, no vote, Zalmoxis, no vote, Disco, Reenk.
We are reasonably sure Zalmoxis was innocent -- sorry Zal.
I was reasonably sure that Reenk wasn't. CR went after him twice.
Possible mafioso record, of course, but hardly conclusive of its own.
Sigurd appears convinced, and he's usually savvy....
Harumph.
Zalmoxis
12-08-2006, 03:31
I don't get it. CR has run a lowish profile most of the game. He's voted:
Reenk, abstain, no vote, Zalmoxis, no vote, Disco, Reenk.
We are reasonably sure Zalmoxis was innocent -- sorry Zal.
I was reasonably sure that Reenk wasn't. CR went after him twice.
Possible mafioso record, of course, but hardly conclusive of its own.
Sigurd appears convinced, and he's usually savvy....
Harumph.
Damn straight, though I should probably be more careful, I've died like this before.
Crazed Rabbit
12-08-2006, 03:59
I never pm'd CR. He's lying.
Lynch him.
You, sir, are the liar.
Unless, of course, there's another Sasaki Kojiro playing this game :rolleyes:. Can I post screenshots?
One question: why are you doing this? It's one thing to suspect me, another to falsely accuse me of being a liar in order to get me lynched.
Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
12-08-2006, 04:48
Can I post screenshots?
:no:
Ahh, the benefits one gets as host from not allowing screenshots... I should have done this ages ago. :wink:
I dont know if CR is mafia or not, but I definitely don't believe Sasaki when he says he never PMed CR. Im not sure what he's gaming at, but it's very curious behavior... colluding with the mafia perhaps?
Kommodus
12-08-2006, 06:09
Er... the one person whose behavior really sets off my alarms at this point, and who I'd like an explanation from, is Seamus Fermanagh.
Why is this? Originally it was because mathematically, he's registered a definite behavior change from past games. He posts less and his posts are generally shorter. This doesn't mean much, but it was enough to get my attention and make me look into the content of his posts.
What I've seen there looks innocuous on the surface - as in past games, he's posted voting records and some commentary on them. We know him well enough by now that it's obligatory that he do this - I'm confident he would do it whether he was a mafioso or not.
But something's a bit off. The commentary this time is much lighter, not very focused, and lacking the insightful confidence that was there in previous games. At least once he's tried to "pass the buck" by asking for guidance from my system - a system which, as I've said several times, is a new concept and in need of refinement. The "confused" attitude displayed by Seamus reminds me of some of my own behavior from Mafia III, when I was guilty.
Note: There is a lot of room in my current method for adjustments and additions, and as this game is its first test, I expect to come up with quite a few ideas for the next game.
I want to hear Seamus' explanation for this. To me, he is a much stronger suspect than Crazed Rabbit.
AggonyDuck
12-08-2006, 11:01
My gut is pointing towards Seamus too. :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 11:12
Yeah, we were just messin around with Crazed to see how he and other people would react. I think he's innocent.
Seamus is a good choice however I have zero evidence other than hunch ~:(
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 12:04
Thanks for summing up for me, Sasaki!:2thumbsup:
Vote: Zalmoxis
Well, if this was an effort to "silence" Sasaki, then the mafia is going :oops:
Can anyone think of anything guaranteed to increase his participation more?
Not getting any clear read from the voting pattern yet, though posting the list of inactives seems to have spurred some renewed voting participation.
Zalmoxis wagon was quite weak, I'm surprised Seamus jumped on it. He went for lurker lynching quite a bit, even though it didn't look to me like the lurkers were mafia. They are however lynch bait, and a good mafioso will go after them for that reason.
The second quote seems to be a "I certainly wouldn't have killed Sasaki if I were mafia so it can't be me".
I also didn't like his continuous "I trust Sasaki's track record" comments. Again, as Kommodus mentioned, he's using someone elses argument so he doesn't have to use his own. Certainly easier that way.
He also appeared to be slightly convinced over the Crazed Rabbit thing this round which isn't like him at all.
doc_bean
12-08-2006, 12:28
Well, I did suspect him for a while becque the kills seemed retty random and Seamus would be the type that tries to break Kommodus' system.
I say vote for him...
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 12:34
You, sir, are the liar.
Unless, of course, there's another Sasaki Kojiro playing this game :rolleyes:. Can I post screenshots?
One question: why are you doing this? It's one thing to suspect me, another to falsely accuse me of being a liar in order to get me lynched.
Crazed Rabbit
Oh yeah, Sorry about that Crazed. Your certainly no liar.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-08-2006, 13:47
Well, I'm glad that the CR thing was a bit of a "false-flag" effort. It certainly didn't add up for me.
Kommo is now spotlighting me, and others are adding in their thoughts. Hmmm.
Last time I was in the lynching spotlight I launched into a voluminous defense. This was ignored in favor of my death, in that game it was assumed that Sasaki and I were in cahoots and that all of my posts were just "white noise" to confuse.
I'll try it more simply.
I do piggy-back on other's efforts with my analytical stabs. Often some other's comment will jar my thinking and spool things up. I built on points thrown out by others in CN to suggest going back to the Kagemusha vote and played of Sasaki's analysis/stabs in Silver's game. It's not abberant for me here.
I have voted: disco, Divwind, B-Ghost, Zalmoxis, abstain, Masy, Reenk.
If Zalmoxis is my "callous wagoning" effort, you are scraping for clues that are -- I submit -- not there. I try to vote for someone where a shred of evidence suggests their guilt or where their lurker status means they provide little to the town. Feel free to read over my votes and check.
I am not a mafioso -- and I'm not built for mafiosa.:beam:
Kommodus
12-08-2006, 15:11
Seamus, to summarize the reasons why I suspect you, it comes down to this:
You and I have minds that are akin to one another. We both prefer numerical analysis, where possible, to subjective analysis. We tend to distrust such subjective thinking, which ample evidence has shown to be oft-unreliable.
And when I read your comments, it occurs to me that you're doing pretty much precisely what I would do - nay, what I did - when I was a mafioso. From withholding truly insightful comments, to relying a bit too much on the comments of others, to acting rather confused, to even occasionally defending a player when you have nothing to lose by doing so - it's all there. Now you wager your life on a simple defense, knowing that vigorous defenses often get a player lynched. This doesn't actually mean much - it certainly is logical - but once again it's precisely what I did in Mafia III.
If you go back and check, you'll notice it didn't work for me back then. Time will tell if it works for you here.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 15:34
Seamus, your voting record will not prove you innocent lol. You, who pay so much attention to voting records, would hardly be condemned by your own. From the kills it looks to me it looks like the mafia were trying to set up the lurkers, and you went after the lurkers.
Also note, you put the lynch vote on Reenk after much hemming and hawing. If he was detective you would have wanted to lynch him without appearing to eager. I know I was all "he's a mafiosoooooo!!11" at the time, but you have to consider my strategy. I considered his claim untrustworthy and thus his investigations useless. I figured we could learn far more from watching for people either trying to save him (his fellow mafia if he was mafia) or trying to lynch him (the mafia if he was detective). You'll recall Cosa Nuova where Sigurd picked up on Xiahou because of the way he voted during the reveal. There's a decent chance Reenk was detective, and that would certainly implicate you.
Reenk Roink
12-08-2006, 17:13
Hmm... I'm slightly displeased that CR is getting off, but Seamus is the one that cast the deciding vote, so not a bad tradeoff! :2thumbsup:
By the way, Sasaki is the worst thing that the villagers have to worry about. Look how quickly he jumps from me to CR to Seamus. Who knows who it will be next?
Sasaki made no good argument against me.
At least Kommodus tracked my behavior change (I change behaviors every couple games by the way... first there is the List, then the fan club, then courteous abstention, then voting again...etc...) and Seamus made a good point about not coming clean completely (though I thought that I gave enough info in the reveal, the post is so long, plus I gave info immediately when asked...which was natural, and not planned).
Look at Sasaki's caprice: "There's a decent chance Reenk was detective"
:rolleyes:
By the way, my Source is Kommo of course, and there is one little tidbit I'm hiding from all of you still. Perhaps I will enlighten you soon...
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 17:27
On the contrary Reenk, I explained my reasoning in post #724.
You on the other hand seem in going after people just because they wanted you lynched, even when they've been proven innocent. This isn't going to help us.
In game reasons aside, it was an obligatory meta-game tactic to lynch you. Now mafia will be more hesitant about making false claims, and the real detectives will be more careful so they don't fudge it up completely. How exactly did revealing 4 people as innocent who then got killed the next two nights help us? If you'd revealed the next day there could be two people alive now who were confirmed innocent, maybe 3 since we probably wouldn't have lynched you. Maybe you'd have had another chance at investigating a mafia. You should take my persecution of you as a compliment since I'm basically saying I think you're smarter than this and wouldn't have screwed it up.
Reenk Roink
12-08-2006, 17:31
On the contrary Reenk, I explained my reasoning in post #724.
You on the other hand seem in going after people just because they wanted you lynched, even when they've been proven innocent. This isn't going to help us.
This is because you are still blinded to some of the realities Sasaki...
Perhaps things will be more clear if I inform you all of all that I know...if I choose to do so...
GeneralHankerchief
12-08-2006, 18:33
Please remember to actually vote, people.
Kommodus
12-08-2006, 18:35
Looking at the extremely short list of players remaining, it's apparent that if there was really a detective alive at this point, he would reveal. There's no point in staying hidden any longer.
This means that either Reenk Roink was truly the detective, or the real detective was killed earlier. As I said before, I saw no real problems with Reenk's reveal.
Regardless, we should be trying to identify the remaining mafia, rather than speculating on whether Reenk was innocent or not.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-08-2006, 18:39
Seamus, your voting record will not prove you innocent lol. You, who pay so much attention to voting records, would hardly be condemned by your own. From the kills it looks to me it looks like the mafia were trying to set up the lurkers, and you went after the lurkers.
Agreed, I just wanted it out there as a reminder. I was after lurkers as a reminder. I think Kommo has me read pretty well -- it's just discouraging that the very things I emphasize in play make me suspect in the endgame.
Also note, you put the lynch vote on Reenk after much hemming and hawing. If he was detective you would have wanted to lynch him without appearing to eager. I know I was all "he's a mafiosoooooo!!11" at the time, but you have to consider my strategy. I considered his claim untrustworthy and thus his investigations useless. I figured we could learn far more from watching for people either trying to save him (his fellow mafia if he was mafia) or trying to lynch him (the mafia if he was detective). You'll recall Cosa Nuova where Sigurd picked up on Xiahou because of the way he voted during the reveal. There's a decent chance Reenk was detective, and that would certainly implicate you.
Actually, going back over it ("hemming and hawing") on the tenor and pace of his reveal/defense, I came down hard on Reenk. Like you say, his investigations are pointless because I read him as mafioso not as townie. If he was the detective, then I deserve to be lynched for taking him out. By the way, good point on the meta-level of forcing quality reveals upon future detectives.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 19:57
Actually, going back over it ("hemming and hawing") on the tenor and pace of his reveal/defense, I came down hard on Reenk. Like you say, his investigations are pointless because I read him as mafioso not as townie. If he was the detective, then I deserve to be lynched for taking him out. By the way, good point on the meta-level of forcing quality reveals upon future detectives.
Oh, you came down hard alright, you only hesitated because you didn't want your lynch vote on Reenk to be seen as suspicious.
btw, who are you going to vote for this round? You must have some suspects.
There's like 2 hours left, we may need an extension.
GeneralHankerchief
12-08-2006, 21:06
There's like 2 hours left, we may need an extension.
Well, considering there have been zero actual votes that is a distinct possibility. :wall:
Or I may just Wrath of God everyone.
Reenk Roink
12-08-2006, 21:13
Regardless, we should be trying to identify the remaining mafia, rather than speculating on whether Reenk was innocent or not.
You yourself know how pivotal my innocence or guilt is when determining the Mafia... :wink:
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 21:37
Well, considering there have been zero actual votes that is a distinct possibility. :wall:
Or I may just Wrath of God everyone.
Well it's too important a round not to really. Perhaps another 24 hours or till say 6 votes are in.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-08-2006, 22:03
Xiahou and CR joined me in voting for Zalmoxis, who we now presume innocent. In fact all three of us voted for Reenk last time as well. Both of them voted against Reenk in round #1.
Dutch_Guy has voted for only one named individual -- Divine Wind -- and only in the runoff. Divine Wind is a likely innocent as well. That's a hole lot of lurkin' goin; on. Mafia hiding in plain sight? Hard to say.
Don Corleone missed a lot of votes early, and has actively voted only to lynch Kagemusha (doing so twice). Early absence speaks against an active role, but later voting behavior reads possible mafia.
Craterus hasn't voted actively a lot so far; but that's fairly typical for him. Again, hiding in plain sight possible, but hard to establish.
Iggy has also been a bit hit-or-miss. This is inconclusive.
So, since I do not suspect myself of trying to lynch "detective" Reenk, I would cast my suspicions towards Don C, X-man, or Rabbitt more or less in that order. So, I'll start with
Vote: Don C
Kommodus
12-08-2006, 22:17
Uh... would some else please vote?! Otherwise Seamus' one vote will carry the decision... :dizzy2:
Reenk Roink
12-08-2006, 22:32
Seamus is known for his condemning votes...
Kagemusha
12-08-2006, 23:07
As someone who was reacently eaten by children.:gah2: I think Seamus is voting for the mafioso.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-08-2006, 23:16
nah, don is innocent.
GeneralHankerchief
12-08-2006, 23:33
Okay, just a heads-up:
I will be going offline to do some reformatting on the comp. This could take anywhere from a few hours to over a day. When I do manage to get back on, the voting will be finished.
So far we only have one vote. If you don't want that person to be executed then you better get on and vote, as I could be back anytime.
Dutch_guy
12-08-2006, 23:52
Dutch_Guy has voted for only one named individual -- Divine Wind -- and only in the runoff. Divine Wind is a likely innocent as well. That's a hole lot of lurkin' goin; on. Mafia hiding in plain sight? Hard to say.
Well, I'm known to abstain a lot, and not vote that often - as I simply wish to vote with some preferably conclusive evidence on the table.
Knowing myself to be innocent, it leaves Iggy , Don, Craterus, Xiahou, CR and Seamus. Don and Iggy I'd like to think as innocent. Iggy hasn't been active at all, and could very well be WoGed soon (not quite Mafioso behavior), and Don hasn't been active enough to actually make a profile (of some sort) of, same with Xiahou for that matter.
As for Seamus,
A tough one, especially after taking Kommudus' post(s) into account. The man does have a point, but then again, you are the most active still breathing participant left. Would that be a wise mafia strategem ? It could be so, but it doesn't have to be.
As for CR...
After Sasaki pounced on him he reacted in a solid, townie-esque way.
As for Craterus,
I still don't quite understand his accusation against me, some posts back now, as I find it quite hard to believe GH made the suspected slip-up. It seems to me like he was actually searching, forcing, a way to lynch someone, which had to be me - an innocent townie.
And that, is why I'm voting Craterus this round, this vote is also used as a way to force a tie breaker. As I'd like to hear the other participants out, and I don't believe Don's a mafioso.
:balloon2:
Craterus
12-09-2006, 00:23
I know what I read and, to be honest, I think it's the best case out there. Hard for me to prove, but it's the one thing that I've seen and have had a good feeling about.
Vote: Dutch_guy
I know what I read and, to be honest, I think it's the best case out there. Hard for me to prove, but it's the one thing that I've seen and have had a good feeling about.
Vote: Dutch_guy
That's pretty suspicious. If your mafioso then your not doing a good job of defending yourself or your a townie and your doing a crappy job of defending yourself.
I think your a mafioso.
Sasaki Kojiro
12-09-2006, 02:58
Vote for Seamus
Seamus Fermanagh
12-09-2006, 03:53
Seamus is known for his condemning votes...
Sorry it bothered you so Mr. "Pinkerton"....not.
Still, someone else should toss in a vote. First past the post with my vote only seems a little "off."
Edit: note to self, read WHOLE thread before making stupid post.
Reenk Roink
12-09-2006, 04:02
As much as Seamus and CR should die for their slander, I say vote to censor Sasaki for the rest of the game...
Let's hold another vote, separate from the lynch vote. All participants allowed, dead or alive, Mafia or villager. ~:grouphug:
Together we can stop Sasaki! :2thumbsup:
Don Corleone
12-09-2006, 04:29
I'm afraid I gotta go with Seamus. He's very much an end-game player. He really picks apart every post in the last few rounds. This game though, just enough to get get by. Maybe GF2 is still on the brain, I dunno. He could be mafia two games in a row...
Vote: Seamus
Btw, sorry I was off all day. VERY, VERY, VERY busy day at work.:whip:
Seamus Fermanagh
12-09-2006, 05:05
I'm afraid I gotta go with Seamus. He's very much an end-game player. He really picks apart every post in the last few rounds. This game though, just enough to get get by. Maybe GF2 is still on the brain, I dunno. He could be mafia two games in a row...
Vote: Seamus
...Uh...Don...I wasn't mafia in GF2. That was Silver's "dream sequence" false ending. So it's 0 games in a row. I drew detective in my first ever game and then a whole lot of yadda.
Thanks for the compliment on the end-game stuff though. I do try to make things add up.
Why did you mruder me in Csar's game?
Sasaki Kojiro
12-09-2006, 05:40
Seamus just doesn't ring true. He has said repeatedly during this game that he respects my judgement and he's asked for Kommodus's input several times. Yet when we both accuse him he isn't surprised. If he were innocent he would be quite shocked, like Crazed Rabbit. Instead we get this:
Kommo is now spotlighting me, and others are adding in their thoughts. Hmmm.
Vote for Seamus
I agree. He does seem to have been acting out of character this game when it's all laid out. I certainly don't suspect CR at all... I'm up in the air on Don, and a few others, but I feel confident enough to:
Vote: Seamus
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