View Full Version : Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]
Sasaki Kojiro
02-16-2007, 18:54
If we know someone is a townie, then we should not lynch them, even if they are hindering the town.
We do not know this about Ichigo, & his actions are more helpful to the Mafia than the town.
Ichigo is the last person we want to focus on early. We're bound to get more info on him as the game progresses. We need to get as many people to talk each round as we can, that way we have something to go back and look at.
:wall:
Of course, it will! All he has done is vote-hop & bandwagon - which he can't do when he's dead.
You can. You're votes just don't count.
Caius - see the links in my signature for my reasoning (if you can bothered :laugh4:).
Now I did it. :grin2::beam:
Hughtower is awfully active for someone who's dead. Did we lynch a mafia and is he trying to put us on the wrong track?
Stig, you are wrong.He is not mafioso.
If there is a only mafioso, why two deaths?
Can he reveal his PM, GH?
GeneralHankerchief
02-16-2007, 19:13
There are always two kills no matter how many mafia are alive.
Mafiosi are not allowed to reveal their PMs, but Detectives are, if they're still alive.
HughTower
02-16-2007, 20:32
Sasaki - Well, I think you're arguing your case from a perspective of playing with Ichigo over a period of time, a perspective that I don't have. Both perspectives have their pros & cons, & neither will convince the other at this point in time.
I feel your challenging of Xiahou is inconsistent with your defence of Ichigo, however, as I mentioned earlier.
Hughtower is awfully active for someone who's dead. Did we lynch a mafia and is he trying to put us on the wrong track?
Stig - That's the second time you've mentioned your surprise at my activity post-demise (hey, that rhymes, cool man :beatnik:). I asked you about it last time too, & you ignored the question (but, seeing as you didn't bother to find out who the town had lynched, no real surprise there).
Probability says you didn't lynch a mafia in me, yet you choose to believe my activity equals scum. I suggest you try to challenge the living, rather than picking a debate with the dead.
:skull: :angel: :skull: :angel:
Right, so Redleg voted Ichigo and persued him in several posts, Andres Questioned Ichigo, HughTower accused Ichigo and put him in his sig as #1 suspect, but there was no wagon on him?So 1 vote last round and a couple of inquiries makes a vote this round a bandwagon? :dizzy2:
Absolute nonsense. His responses to previous inquiries were very odd and are what make me thing he's protecting a role.
I'm comfortable with my vote.
Reenk Roink
02-16-2007, 20:45
I find it interesting that Sasaki Kojiro has been unable to even attempt to respond to my arguments. He ignores any sort of valuable discourse, and merely resorts to quips and potshots at me, making claims but not arguments, trying very much to start a bandwagon. At least Destroyer of Hope has given up on this pattern and has explained his new found interest in the game.
As long as Sasaki Kojiro is not found innocent by a convincing mean (a genuine detective reveal) or somebody else has been found to be quite damned as a Mafia, I will vote for him. Hopefully we lynch him and then he can only harm the town with his words (which would be easily remedied if I could ignore moderators on the board) and not a tangible vote (voting actually has a slight importance :shocked:).
Unvote: Destroyer of Hope
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
02-16-2007, 22:03
Vote: Discovery1 -- sorry, edited to bold this.
As has been stated, his posting style is somewhat different than I am used to from him.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-16-2007, 22:22
So 1 vote last round and a couple of inquiries makes a vote this round a bandwagon? :dizzy2:
Absolute nonsense. His responses to previous inquiries were very odd and are what make me thing he's protecting a role.
I'm comfortable with my vote.
The vote and the discussion were both this round. Most of this round has been discussion on Ichigo. He is the foremost candidate. Ergo, bandwagon.
Stig - That's the second time you've mentioned your surprise at my activity post-demise (hey, that rhymes, cool man ). I asked you about it last time too, & you ignored the question (but, seeing as you didn't bother to find out who the town had lynched, no real surprise there).
Don't try to protect yourself
Probability says you didn't lynch a mafia in me, yet you choose to believe my activity equals scum. I suggest you try to challenge the living, rather than picking a debate with the dead.
I try to, but you keep posting, go to heaven m8. If the death post too much they're suspicious.
GeneralHankerchief
02-16-2007, 22:46
Voting over.
Execution will be up shortly.
You can. You're votes just don't count.
Sometimes they do... :smash:
GeneralHankerchief
02-16-2007, 23:18
Poor discovery1. All he ever did was hate a rival school. Yet he kept getting persecuted for it by the supposedly peaceful, loving, Frontroom. This wasn't the first time, either. He vaguely remembered another instance in which he was persecuted, lynched even, for the very same crime! But, he couldn't have been lynched - here he was, alive! For a little while, anyway.
Disco put the thoughts of previous lives out of his mind and pulled out a gun. He may be going down, but at least Reenk Roink would go down with him...
...the swarm of villagers around him quickly overwhelmed him and took the gun out of his hands. He was on the ground, defeated and defenseless. Somebody kicked him in the chest, making him gasp and roll over.
The villagers, giving him no time to recover, hauled him to his feet and pushed him over to the execution platform, where Chief of Police Beirut was waiting with a mummification table and a long silver instrument that looked as if it hadn't been cleaned properly from its last use. Disco shuddered.
"discovery1," he said to Disco, "You have hereby been found guilty of murder. Do you have any last words?"
Disco grinned. "Yes," he proclaimed, and then after a pause: "MICHIGAN SUCKS! REENK SUCKS! FOR THE CHIEF! HAHAHAHA FOR THE CHIEF! WOOOOO!"
Beirut smirked. "Oh, yeah, did you hear?" he asked. "The Chief is dead, too. UIUC is replacing Chief Illiniwek (http://www.comcast.net/sports/index.jsp?cat=SPORTS&fn=/2007/02/16/588782.html&cvqh=tis_mascot)."
Totally defeated, Disco couldn't even muster a Darth Vader-like scream of "NOOOOOOOOO!" He accepted his fate silently.
Here is the vote summary for Round 2:
discovery1: 5 (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Destroyer of Hope, Sir Moody, Pannonian, Seamus Fermanagh) :skull:
Ichigo: 2 (Redleg, Xiahou)
pevergreen: 2 (AndresTheCunning, Stig)
Destroyer of Hope: 1 (discovery1)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 1 (Kommodus)
Redleg: 1 (Ichigo)
Xiahou: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Abstained: 7 (Dutch_guy, pevergreen, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Rythmic, Sir Boo, Caius Flaminius)
Didn't vote: 9 (Kagemusha, Fenring, Lord Motep of Kendermore, Crazed Rabbit, JimBob, Ignoramus, Warluster, sapi, ChuggtheSquirrel)
~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (29)
Kagemusha
Sasaki Kojiro
Xiahou
Stig
Fenring
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Ichigo
Pannonian
Crazed Rabbit
Redleg
Reenk Roink
JimBob
pevergreen
Ignoramus
CountArach
Rythmic
ByzantineKnight
Warluster
AndresTheCunning
sapi
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Moody
Seamus Fermanagh
Dutch_guy
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
ChuggtheSquirrel
Kommodus
Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
discovery1
02-16-2007, 23:30
Go mafia. Butcher the town.
Edit: UNless of course Reenk and/or Sigurd are mafia. then you can die. Actually, might want to look at Sigurd. he voices suspicions of Reenk, and then votes for me. What's up with that?
Ichigo's Day 1 vote history:
Sasaki - no reason given
ChuggtheSquirrel - no reason given
pevergreen - reason given was "On second thought Pever is a better candidate."
Hughtower - no reason given at time of vote
Ichigo's Day 1 (self admitted) bandwagon history:
pevergreen
Hughtower
So, I can make a mistake, yet you ask us to assume that you are not foolish enough to make one yourself.:no:
It is common practice to give an explanation at time of voting for reasons as you know well enough. I asked you why. You still haven't answered that. In what way(s) are you helping the town?
No, yours wasn't a mistake your behavior was more of anger and that you were insulted by Sigurds post, those aren't mistake's those are emotions.
Why do you choose to attack me and not everyone else who made bandwagon's and vote's with no reason behind them? You must just be mad because I put the deciding vote on you. :inquisitive:
Edit: Oh and I did give a reason for voting for Pever
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1425995&postcount=94
Kralizec
02-17-2007, 00:16
Damn, missed the vote.
Not sure about Discovery, but there's 2 people I do find suspicious, Ichigo for his rather odd behavious (voting on people without giving reason, his lackluster defense against Redleg for example) but not as odd as Sasaki's rather fierce defense of him.
Well, it's night now, so pevergreen has 24 hours to explain his third vote on Sasaki at the beginning of the game. I also would like to hear more from Redleg, who casted the second vote on Sasaki, previous to pevergreen's vote. :inquisitive:
Edit: Oh and I did give a reason for voting for Pever
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1425995&postcount=94
Yup, you did give a reason for voting Pever, but you didn't give one for voting HughTower. You just posted "Unvote:whoever, Vote:HughTower".
In other games you always mentioned your reason for voting. So I still wonder why you voted him. It was also the 5th vote on him. Did you vote to make sure a townie got lynched? Please tell me Csar, why did you vote HughTower and why didn't you bother to give any explanation while voting?
ByzantineKnight
02-17-2007, 02:19
Oh look, Saski is doing his thing, better lynch him.
Finally, he lurks in the mini-mafia, I was wondering if he would ever start again...
HughTower
02-17-2007, 03:05
No, yours wasn't a mistake your behavior was more of anger and that you were insulted by Sigurds post, those aren't mistake's those are emotions.
Why do you choose to attack me and not everyone else who made bandwagon's and vote's with no reason behind them? You must just be mad because I put the deciding vote on you. :inquisitive:
You called it my 'mistake' first, Ichigo. I was using your terminology (see post #219).
Because you did it 4 times in lynch cycle & only gave a reason after you were challenged on it. No-one else comes close.
The vote and the discussion were both this round. Most of this round has been discussion on Ichigo. He is the foremost candidate. Ergo, bandwagon.
Bandwagoning: When you vote for someone purely because they have already received votes. Used by the mafia in Game II, but is now apt to get you executed.
Actually, Sasaki, ergo non id est.
Discussion & voting are not the same (hence, the dead can discuss, but not vote).
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 03:18
Actually, Sasaki, ergo non id est.
Discussion & voting are not the same (hence, the dead can discuss, but not vote).
It doesn't have to be votes. I noticed this many times in TGFI. I would accuse somebody with some argument, but not vote them. People would still jump on my logic--hence bandwagon. Going after a popular candidate without good reason is bandwagoning. The popular is the important part.
HughTower
02-17-2007, 03:34
It doesn't have to be votes. I noticed this many times in TGFI. I would accuse somebody with some argument, but not vote them. People would still jump on my logic--hence bandwagon. Going after a popular candidate without good reason is bandwagoning. The popular is the important part.
'No good reason' is highly subjective. Xiahou offered a reason, which was admittedly sparse. Ichigo offered no reason at all (at time of vote) 3 out of 4 times, & clearly voted 'purely because they have already received votes' twice. In one round.
Well, it's night now, so pevergreen has 24 hours to explain his third vote on Sasaki at the beginning of the game. I also would like to hear more from Redleg, who casted the second vote on Sasaki, previous to pevergreen's vote. :inquisitive:
I dislike Sasaki primarily from his behavior in Capo, so the first round will normally result in my initial vote always being for him, at least until someone else irks me. If an arguement presents itself where an individual oversteps themselves an presents a tell about their position that indicates that they might possiblily be mafia - I would change my vote. However no arguement truely presented itself in that round.
Ichigo maintain my vote for his lynch from his multiple change of votes, his defense in the second round will most likely result in a recasting of the same vote for him to be lynched in the next round. Unless of course in the next two days of discussion a better tell is given for whom might be the mafia.
So I am in a wait and see mode concerning the discussion. So far there are a couple of individuals on my watch list but nothing concrete as of yet.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 03:39
'No good reason' is highly subjective. Xiahou offered a reason, which was admittedly sparse. Ichigo offered no reason at all (at time of vote) 3 out of 4 times, & clearly voted 'purely because they have already received votes' twice. In one round.
He threw a few random votes in. He bandwagoned you.
Day 2 bandwagon is worse than day 1 bandwagon.
Pannonian
02-17-2007, 04:08
Something interesting I've noticed is this tidbit from the execution post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1430604&postcount=263).
Abstained: 7 (Dutch_guy, pevergreen, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Rythmic, Sir Boo, Caius Flaminius)
I kept my own count, so this surprised me, and I went back through all the posts in that round.
Dutch Guy made post #194.
Caius Flaminius made posts #238, #252 and #253.
In none of these posts did they actually vote. Now this may be a GH mistake, but making several posts in a round without actually voting seems rather odd. Moreover none of these posts contained much substance, commenting uncommittedly on others' posts. I'll read through Caius Flaminius' posts again to see if there's a pattern, but for now he's my main suspect. It might help if players in other games where Caius is more prominent can comment on his style there.
Well, it's night now, so pevergreen has 24 hours to explain his third vote on Sasaki at the beginning of the game. I also would like to hear more from Redleg, who casted the second vote on Sasaki, previous to pevergreen's vote. :inquisitive:
Yup, you did give a reason for voting Pever, but you didn't give one for voting HughTower. You just posted "Unvote:whoever, Vote:HughTower".
In other games you always mentioned your reason for voting. So I still wonder why you voted him. It was also the 5th vote on him. Did you vote to make sure a townie got lynched? Please tell me Csar, why did you vote HughTower and why didn't you bother to give any explanation while voting?
I've been really been squeezed for time lately. I just changed my vote then put my reasoning in later. If that makes me guilty then so be it.:sweatdrop:
'No good reason' is highly subjective. Xiahou offered a reason, which was admittedly sparse. Ichigo offered no reason at all (at time of vote) 3 out of 4 times, & clearly voted 'purely because they have already received votes' twice. In one round.
I gave reason's for my bandwagon votes. Just because they weren't at the same time of my vote doesn't make me guilty.
You called it my 'mistake' first, Ichigo. I was using your terminology (see post #219).
Because you did it 4 times in lynch cycle & only gave a reason after you were challenged on it. No-one else comes close.
Actually, Sasaki, ergo non id est.
Discussion & voting are not the same (hence, the dead can discuss, but not vote).
I didn't say mistake, I said you took offense to a stupid accusation by Sigurd.
So what your saying is I'm guilty for voting someone without giving a reason? No ones for sure in the first round my first two votes were for reactions and my third and fourth I've already explained. If you want to continue this pointless arguement further be my guest, but your arguements are pointless and they aren't getting you anywhere.
As for Sasaki I don't know what he's doing.
So Im guilty?
you are wrong.Im not guilty.Im just a kid who needs sleep.
Zalmoxis
02-17-2007, 05:24
Haha, belated post to announce that I'm innocent!
I think I figured out the criteria- any vote but Sasaki's is a bandwagon. :idea2:
Seriously, anyone who votes for someone based on in thread discussion is pushing a bandwagon by his criteria- it's lunacy. :dizzy2:
I've come to the conclusion that Sasaki is up to something. He's been able to help generate helpful discussion in other games, but now it just seems that he's muddying up the waters and obfuscating. :thumbsdown:
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 06:22
I've counted people who post but don't vote as an abstain in the past.
I know it's been in place since Mafia V, possibly in Mafia IV.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-17-2007, 07:27
General:
Thanks for letting me know. I was not aware of that and I am one of those vote counter types.
Inactive Voters (post count):
No votes at all =
Dutch (5), Fenring (2), Iggy (1), Jimbob (1), Motep (1), & Warluster (1)
withdrew one vote, missed second =
pevergreen (9)
one abstain & one no vote =
Chugg (3)
abstained twice [written vote, not assumed] =
Arach (5) , Rhythmic (5)
Why are Dutch and pev' posting so much without making actual votes?
To a lesser extent, I am wondering this about Arach and Rythm boy too.
Most of the 1/2 posters seem wog-meat to me, but it is at least mildly suspicious to find someone posting without voting in any decisive way.
CountArach
02-17-2007, 07:35
To a lesser extent, I am wondering this about Arach and Rythm boy too.
I'm still here, just struggling to understand and keep up.
pevergreen
02-17-2007, 07:37
I random voted Sasaki. As soon as it looked like it was serious, I took my vote off.
In this game, It's going to take a bit to make me vote. Don't expect my votes to come easily.
I random voted Sasaki. As soon as it looked like it was serious, I took my vote off.
In this game, It's going to take a bit to make me vote. Don't expect my votes to come easily.
I refuse to answer to your facist questions. :bow:
:beam:
pevergreen
02-17-2007, 07:45
:bow:
I bow to your wisdom
:bow:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
:bow:
I bow to your wisdom
:bow:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I thought you'de like that.:laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 07:58
I think I figured out the criteria- any vote but Sasaki's is a bandwagon. :idea2:
Seriously, anyone who votes for someone based on in thread discussion is pushing a bandwagon by his criteria- it's lunacy. :dizzy2:
If it's a vote I disagree with ~D
I've come to the conclusion that Sasaki is up to something. He's been able to help generate helpful discussion in other games, but now it just seems that he's muddying up the waters and obfuscating. :thumbsdown:
It seems your criteria for when I'm being helpful is whether I'm accusing you or not. You seem a bit reactionary, I think my vote was good.
HughTower
02-17-2007, 11:23
I didn't say mistake, I said you took offense to a stupid accusation by Sigurd.
Then what's this then?
Other than that I only voted for you after you took offense to a stupid accusation by Sigurd(no offense Sigurd). Now it seems like your just trying to attack me for your mistake. Your last point proves mine I wouldn't be so foolish as to make such a obvious error.
I'm actually trying to attack you for your mistake(s). I attacked Sigurd because he used a contrived reason to join a bandwagon. That is why you two are on my suspect list. You will both stay there until I feel suspicion is removed, either by being killed by Mafia, or by acting in ways which are more helpful to the town than they have been.
In the meantime, I am not offended, or ever have been. In fact, I feel like dancing.
:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:
I am wondering this about Arach and Rythm boy too.
I'm more of the silent type. At the moment I've got an 14 page word document with analysis of the majority of the posts in this game as of the start of this page.
If you want my opinion on suspects of right now they would have to be Ichigo and Sigurd. To a lesser extent Stig. The only question now is will I end up dead like HughTower?
pevergreen
02-17-2007, 15:21
You can't not trust Ichigo he "refuses to answer to your facist questions."
:laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-17-2007, 15:21
The only person who has voted to lynch an innocent so far is Sasaki [Orb, round 1]. This is hardly conclusive at this stage, as we have only one vote to analyze and little sense of a baseline.
To a lesser extent Stig.
How about a reason?
Am I attacking your already dead mafiamate Hughtower?
HughTower
02-17-2007, 18:02
The only person who has voted to lynch an innocent so far is Sasaki [Orb, round 1]. This is hardly conclusive at this stage, as we have only one vote to analyze and little sense of a baseline.
And all those who voted for me. You may not (be able to) believe or trust me, but I know it to be true.
How about a reason?
Stig - do you believe reasons for voting to be essential then? If so, we might actually share some common ground here. I'd consider that progress in the context of our recent relationship.
:knuddel:
Dutch_guy
02-17-2007, 18:18
Why are Dutch and pev' posting so much without making actual votes?
I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?
I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.
:balloon2:
Stig - do you believe reasons for voting to be essential then? If so, we might actually share some common ground here. I'd consider that progress in the context of our recent relationship.
Erhh yeah I kinda do. It doesn't have to be a long 5 paragraph post, even: sounds suspicious is good enough for me, aslong as you give a reason
and:
:girlslap:
get away from me
Then what's this then?
I'm actually trying to attack you for your mistake(s). I attacked Sigurd because he used a contrived reason to join a bandwagon. That is why you two are on my suspect list. You will both stay there until I feel suspicion is removed, either by being killed by Mafia, or by acting in ways which are more helpful to the town than they have been.
In the meantime, I am not offended, or ever have been. In fact, I feel like dancing.
:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:
Well you should make your posts correct then in the other one it says 219 not 209.
I refuse to answer your facist questions.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 21:42
Due to real life, the kills will be posted somewhat later than their usual time.
Would you prefer if I just listed who was killed now and edit it later or just wait until I'm around long enough to post the usual description?
CountArach
02-17-2007, 21:46
Due to real life, the kills will be posted somewhat later than their usual time.
Would you prefer if I just listed who was killed now and edit it later or just wait until I'm around long enough to post the usual description?
I'd say kill them now, write it up later. It just allows the game to continue.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 21:58
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Some villagers had had enough of the terror that had occured the past two days, but not Rythmic. No, he had hosted a barbeque party after Disco's lynching. The few people that showed up had decided to feast on the same chickens that had killed poor Orb the day before. It seemed very satisfying.
Rythmic now sat in his chair, enjoying some leftover pieces of chicken breast for breakfast (he didn't feel like making pancakes). All in all, life seemed pretty good. Evidently he had forgotten about the threat of the mafia. However, that wouldn't last long.
"Do you like meat, Rythmic?"
Rythmic would have turned around, shocked, if it wasn't for the fact that his piece of chicken had been loaded up with artificial tryptophan, which made him instantly fall asleep.
Some time later, Rythmic opened his eyes, only to find more darkness. Apparently he had been blindfolded. He tried to take it off, but discovered that he was tied up. This was not good. He could hear footsteps approaching him. Someone had noticed that he was awake.
"What is wrong with you people," a voice asked. "Eating those innocent animals! What the hell are you doing?"
"Mmph!" Rythmic tried to break free, with no luck. If the blindfold wasn't on he would have seen the mafioso grinning.
"Now Rythmic, you like a good spanking?"
"No!"
"Too bad. That question was rhetorical. This one, however, isn't: If you would lie down next to let's say two horses, who would you prefer to receive some severe whipping: the horses or yourself?"
"Well..." Rythmic said, "I truly like horses and I don't want them to suffer, but, erm..." All of the sudden, Rythmic started to panic and he screamed: "Please! Don't hurt me! Give the horses a hard beating! I will feel sorry for them, I'll be traumatized, it will cause me pain... Beat them! Please, don't hurt me, I don't like pain!"
"Well", the mafioso said, "you asked for it..."
The mafioso tore away the blindfold and Rythmic realized his mistake when he saw he was tied up between two horses, his neck attached to one horse, his feet to the other.
The mafioso took his whip and started to beat the two horses, yelling.
"Come on horsies! Run! Run!"
The horses started to run, tearing Rythmic apart in several pieces.
The mafioso smiled: "You know what they say Rythmic: 'When in doubt, let your horse do the thinkin'!'"
Many people were still living their normal lives, unaware of poor Rythmic's predicament. One of these people was sapi, who was meeting with his villager friend for lunch at his own place.
sapi's mouth was full of food. "Mmm - you know, this is really good, I usually don't appreciate my food this much, but this is delicious! You really lucked out, my friend, my food decided to get good at the right time.
sapi's "friend" smiled. "That's because I filled it with Scopolamine. It's a very accurate truth serum with the added benefits of it tasting rather excellent, plus the fact that you won't remember anything once you get it out of your system. However, I don't think that will be much of a worry in your case..."
"Ffffrgtzzzz." The drug was already working. sapi would now only be able to speak if he was asked a question.
"Now then, let's get down to business. When is the set date, and where will the precious be shipped out?"
sapi, hampered by the drug, was forced to speak the truth. "I'm sssorrrry, I donnn't knowwww..."
"Ah, I was afraid of that. Can you tell me who would know?"
sapi nodded, and gave the mafioso his answer. The mafioso smiled, satisfied with this.
"Well, I must be going. Thank you so so much for that information, it will really be useful (to me anyway). I'm sorry it had to end like this, with the intoxication and all, but it's the least I could do." With that, the mafioso proceeded to put the silencer on his gun and blasted sapi between the eyes. He finished his non-drugged meal in peace, and departed.
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers in the town square in order to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "We have lost two more good souls of the Frontroom today in Rythmic and sapi. This must be stopped. You *must* execute the right person. In order to scare of the mafia, this time I'm going to execute who you choose in the exact same way that Rythmic died - i.e. being torn apart by my own horses. So get voting!
~~~~~~~
Still alive: (27)
Kagemusha
Sasaki Kojiro
Xiahou
Stig
Fenring
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Ichigo
Pannonian
Crazed Rabbit
Redleg
Reenk Roink
JimBob
pevergreen
Ignoramus
CountArach
ByzantineKnight
Warluster
AndresTheCunning
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Moody
Seamus Fermanagh
Dutch_guy
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
ChuggtheSquirrel
Kommodus
Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
Looks like an attempt to frame the ones on Rythmic list. Or one of us is a mafia, tho I doubt anyone would be that stupid
Pannonian
02-17-2007, 23:00
I received a PM from HughTower pointing out post #253 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1430303&postcount=253) by Caius Flaminius.
Stig, you are wrong.He is not mafioso.
If there is a only mafioso, why two deaths?
Can he reveal his PM, GH?
As HughTower points out, this sounds like he's a player with a role who's assumed that all other players have received role PMs of some sort, which was the case in Capo, but not here. Now I would like an explanation from him, and I would be inclined to lynch him unless he comes up with a very convincing argument indeed.
On the flipside, I'm suspicious of HughTower for taking this to PM when he has been so active in the thread to date. My guess is HughTower, based on his activity, is scum. But it's worth focusing on Caius Flaminius just in case.
Vote: Caius Flaminius
I defended HughTower, because I relationated this
IF there are two mafiosos, there are two deaths.But HughTower is dead, and i believed HughTower is innocent.Why?If HughTower is a mafioso, then there will be one death.So, I said:I cant know if he is scum or not.But I was wrong.GH told me in this thread that its wrong.So, thats why I said that.
I received a PM from HughTower pointing out post #253 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1430303&postcount=253) by Caius Flaminius.
As HughTower points out, this sounds like he's a player with a role who's assumed that all other players have received role PMs of some sort, which was the case in Capo, but not here. Now I would like an explanation from him, and I would be inclined to lynch him unless he comes up with a very convincing argument indeed.
On the flipside, I'm suspicious of HughTower for taking this to PM when he has been so active in the thread to date. My guess is HughTower, based on his activity, is scum. But it's worth focusing on Caius Flaminius just in case.
Vote: Caius Flaminius
Why not point that out in the thread Hugh? Why not do the same thing to him as you have been doing to me?:inquisitive:
Gah. Oh well. Don't really have time to analyse every post. Back to English work. And to "framing", depends when the kill PMs were sent.
@ Stig: Mostly through this.
Voting to create a draw is even worse
Vote: Sasaki
A tie is helpful to the town, as Kommodus explained later. You also retaliated strongly to Sasaki's simple prodding.
If you make a tie, you will make sure a mafia isn't killed, how can that help the town? Answer that question
It was far to convenient that you did not understand how the tie works out. It seemed like a poor attempt to hide any guilt you possessed. The "I don't understand the rules so I must be innocent" approach doesn't hit home for me , it just appears cheap and nasty. (Much the same as Pannonian vote for Prole who isn't even playing).
Stig is suspicious for attacking the practice of voting to produce a tie. It's usually done to allow for more discussion - how can that possibly harm the town?
Ok I'll be an honourable quiet dead person now :bow:
Hey I only finished 1 proper mafia game, in which no draw was made
But Vote: Caius
Pannonian couldn't have said it better. Tho Caius might be the detective, tho I doubt that somehow.
And don't come with OMG BANDWAGON
Hey I only finished 1 proper mafia game, in which no draw was made
But Vote: Caius
Pannonian couldn't have said it better. Tho Caius might be the detective, tho I doubt that somehow.
And don't come with OMG BANDWAGON
OMG BANDWAGON!!!!
Vote:Stig
So asking a question now makes you guilty seriously:dizzy2:
So asking a question now makes you guilty seriously
Of course not, just makes one analyse why one asked the question.
Now don't disturb the dead Ichigo.
You Stig are so guilty, you jump in every bandwagon
Vote:Stig
Of course not, just makes one analyse why one asked the question.
Now don't disturb the dead Ichigo.
I miss understood the post I misread the second question:sweatdrop: Why did you ask him to reveal his PM, CF? That leads me to believe you are one of three people. Either one of the mafioso's or the detective. Or you made a really big mistake and got confused.
Unvote:Stig
Vote:Abstain
pevergreen
02-18-2007, 01:17
Vote: Abstain
Convince me *Sits down in defiance*
You Stig are so guilty, you jump in every bandwagon
Oh, which role do you have Caius, only 3 people have a pm, you are one of them. If you aren't mafia you'll be death tomorrow, killed for being the detective, if you are mafia you'll be alive after next night. Maybe we could allow you to survive for one more day, just to make sure.
And you bandwagoned as well
hypocrit :bounce:
Then withdraw your vote and so will I.
Then withdraw your vote and so will I.
I have no reason to, you're suspicious, I can vote to lynch suspicious people
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 01:27
I received a PM from HughTower pointing out post #253 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1430303&postcount=253) by Caius Flaminius.
As HughTower points out, this sounds like he's a player with a role who's assumed that all other players have received role PMs of some sort, which was the case in Capo, but not here. Now I would like an explanation from him, and I would be inclined to lynch him unless he comes up with a very convincing argument indeed.
On the flipside, I'm suspicious of HughTower for taking this to PM when he has been so active in the thread to date. My guess is HughTower, based on his activity, is scum. But it's worth focusing on Caius Flaminius just in case.
Vote: Caius Flaminius
Vote:Pannonian
That was a really bad idea. Maybe Hugh pm'd to you because that post would give caius a good chance of being detective and it would be a bad idea to post it in the thread. You think hugh is scum but want to lynch caius? This is not like you.
CountArach
02-18-2007, 01:32
You Stig are so guilty, you jump in every bandwagon
Vote:Stig
lol, the irony.
Vote: Caius for overreacting to a vote against him.
Answer my question CF.
Why did you ask him to reveal his PM, CF?
Pannonian
02-18-2007, 01:49
Vote:Pannonian
That was a really bad idea. Maybe Hugh pm'd to you because that post would give caius a good chance of being detective and it would be a bad idea to post it in the thread. You think hugh is scum but want to lynch caius? This is not like you.
Because I had already raised some questions about Caius during the night, namely posting several times during a round without registering a vote, or even an abstain. HughTower's PM merely pushed me further in that direction - check out post #274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1430916&postcount=274) for yourself, which preceded the PM.
Why would I vote for Caius if I think HughTower is scum? Because I find both suspicious in different ways - if one is scum then the other is not, but I can't tell which is which. This isn't Capo, where it's possible to actively and accurately deduce scumminess through strategic play. I was merely voicing my opinions openly when I expressed my reservations about HughTower despite my accusation of Caius.
Also, your accusation is obviously wrong in and of itself. If I were mafia I wouldn't bother trying to lynch a suspected role, as mafiosi know each others' identities, and suspected detectives can always be quietly killed during the night. As the original claimed detective, you should be more aware of this gambit than anyone else.
@ Stig:
Looks like an attempt to frame the ones on Rythmic list. Or one of us is a mafia, tho I doubt anyone would be that stupid
Or possibly.
At the moment I've got an 14 page word document with analysis of the majority of the posts in this game
Make up your own mind.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 02:30
Because I had already raised some questions about Caius during the night, namely posting several times during a round without registering a vote, or even an abstain. HughTower's PM merely pushed me further in that direction - check out post #274 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1430916&postcount=274) for yourself, which preceded the PM.[quote]
I don't see anything particularly scummy about that. I'm questioning the certainty you exhibited, day 2.
I don't know caius's playstyle very well, I think he is one of the under the radar players.
[QUOTE]Why would I vote for Caius if I think HughTower is scum? Because I find both suspicious in different ways - if one is scum then the other is not, but I can't tell which is which. This isn't Capo, where it's possible to actively and accurately deduce scumminess through strategic play. I was merely voicing my opinions openly when I expressed my reservations about HughTower despite my accusation of Caius.
Makes sense.
Also, your accusation is obviously wrong in and of itself. If I were mafia I wouldn't bother trying to lynch a suspected role, as mafiosi know each others' identities, and suspected detectives can always be quietly killed during the night. As the original claimed detective, you should be more aware of this gambit than anyone else.
I don't think he's the detective. I think you might have thought that comment made him lynchable.
Vote:CF for avoiding my question.
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2007, 02:49
Again, to clarify:
There will always be two kills, no matter how many mafiosi are alive.
Normal kill description will be up soon.
Answer my question CF.
Just to be sure if he is mafia or the detective.
Vote:CF for avoiding my question.
Oh, [edit insult], you voted for me, mafioso?Well, it is so easy to kill someone, you have won a cheap lynch.
I have a life.GMT -3.Im having dinner, you little [again insult]
vote: Sasaki
I still think he's dirty.
Stig, you are wrong.He is not mafioso.
Caius - thank you for your support.
You are right, but how do you know this?:inquisitive:
Well, I think this:
1 mafioso=1 kill
but Im wrong, so We cant discharge you can be mafia
Ah! I understand better now. Thank you.
I am not mafia, but I can't prove it.
There you go
HughTower
02-18-2007, 03:03
Well you should make your posts correct then in the other one it says 219 not 209.
I refuse to answer your facist questions.
You misunderstood. And, I shouldn't have to direct you to your own quotes. If you refuse to answer questions, I suggest you refrain from asking others. Such as these:
Answer my question CF
and
Why not point that out in the thread Hugh? Why not do the same thing to him as you have been doing to me?:inquisitive:
Why not, indeed, Ichigo, why not?
Vote:Pannonian
That was a really bad idea. Maybe Hugh pm'd to you because that post would give caius a good chance of being detective and it would be a bad idea to post it in the thread. You think hugh is scum but want to lynch caius? This is not like you.
I tried to keep this discreet for a number of reasons:
I appear to be a divisive figure currently
Pannonian has good reputation for fact-finding & point-proving (if a little sledgehammer-like on occasion)
He has spoken in accusation of Caius
Maybe he is a detective
I wanted a second opinion
If this is a significant lapse, then I would want to marshall lynch votes carefully to ensure that the thread discussion was not obfuscated by Mafia or bad townies
However, Sasaki, Pannonian's philosophy of getting everything out in the open is well documented in CdiT. However, I too wish he'd gone about it in a more considered way, but it appears to be in character.
This next point he makes is reasonable too:
Also, your accusation is obviously wrong in and of itself. If I were mafia I wouldn't bother trying to lynch a suspected role, as mafiosi know each others' identities, and suspected detectives can always be quietly killed during the night. As the original claimed detective, you should be more aware of this gambit than anyone else.
HughTower
02-18-2007, 03:13
Again, to clarify:
There will always be two kills, no matter how many mafiosi are alive.
Normal kill description will be up soon.
How 'bout at zero mafiosi? :clown:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 03:18
I suppose hugh is right about the in character thing.
Unvote:Pannonian, Vote:Xiahou
Why am I guilty again? Last time you said "were I a more punitive person I'd vote you" which indicates that you didn't think I was guilty. Now you say you do "just like you did".
I suppose hugh is right about the in character thing.
Unvote:Pannonian, Vote:Xiahou
Why am I guilty again? Last time you said "were I a more punitive person I'd vote you" which indicates that you didn't think I was guilty. Now you say you do "just like you did".
Correct, I didn't make a retaliatory vote against you- like you just did against me I might add. It wasn't until it dawned on me you were basing your attacks on utter nonsense that I realized you're up to no good. Calling a vote based on thread discussion isn't a bandwagon- that'd have to be clear even to you. When I point that out you make some sheepish argument about 'well only if it's a vote I disagree with'- that's more nonsense.
False accusations? Retaliation voting? I think you're scummy.
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2007, 03:33
Kills are in usual form.
(the last post on Page 10)
Sir Moody
02-18-2007, 03:34
well im a little lost still at this point (its like trying to jump onto a spinning roundabout) but Caius Flaminius is almost foaming at the mouth which i find very odd indeed
vote Caius Flaminius
You misunderstood. And, I shouldn't have to direct you to your own quotes. If you refuse to answer questions, I suggest you refrain from asking others. Such as these:
and
Why not, indeed, Ichigo, why not?
I tried to keep this discreet for a number of reasons:
I appear to be a divisive figure currently
Pannonian has good reputation for fact-finding & point-proving (if a little sledgehammer-like on occasion)
He has spoken in accusation of Caius
Maybe he is a detective
I wanted a second opinion
If this is a significant lapse, then I would want to marshall lynch votes carefully to ensure that the thread discussion was not obfuscated by Mafia or bad townies
However, Sasaki, Pannonian's philosophy of getting everything out in the open is well documented in CdiT. However, I too wish he'd gone about it in a more considered way, but it appears to be in character.
This next point he makes is reasonable too:
Ahhh I was joking. What's a harmless joke between friends?:beam: I'll answer any of your questions.:iloveyou:
Which way to vote for now. I am thinking that a certain individual is attempting to muddy the waters and needs to be a little more clear in how he response. As before because he still seems to be inconclusive and jumping all over the place with his comments.
Vote:Ichigo
Which way to vote for now. I am thinking that a certain individual is attempting to muddy the waters and needs to be a little more clear in how he response. As before because he still seems to be inconclusive and jumping all over the place with his comments.
Vote:Ichigo
Didn't you learn from last game? This is how I play:beam: :beam:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 05:47
Redleg seems to be posting less than usual.
ByzantineKnight
02-18-2007, 05:49
Um... I don't know who to trust...
Vote: Abstain
What byzknight said
There's no clues yet.
CountArach
02-18-2007, 10:06
If you don't know who to trust then surely someone you don't trust could be mafia? Why don't you vote them? Not trusting them will just mean that they think you are suspicious, thus making you a target.
Pannonian
02-18-2007, 10:50
I feel tempted to target people who barely appear in this thread, yet who go off and host new games. No names mentioned (cough...Warluster...cough).
BTW sapi, you're dead. No zombie votes unless GH specifies so.
Just read the write up, ouch. Somebody likes using animals then feeding the town the meat.
Kagemusha
02-18-2007, 11:27
Vote Crazed Rabbit.Why are you lurking completely in this game?
HughTower
02-18-2007, 11:27
"Now then, let's get down to business. When is the set date, and where will the precious be shipped out?"
sapi, hampered by the drug, was forced to speak the truth. "I'm sssorrrry, I donnn't knowwww..."
"Ah, I was afraid of that. Can you tell me who would know?"
To those who've played GH's games before - is there to anything to be read into this?
Also, the two victims were both Australian. Do we have any Kiwis hanging around that we can pin the blame on?
@Pannonian - that's what i get for skim reading. Thanks :yes:
@HughTower - :laugh4:
Redleg seems to be posting less than usual.
Yes indeed - its called Real life, getting ready to move, take a new job, etc.
If you wish to lynch for that - by all means. However once again your effort is noticed, thanks for your concern
Didn't you learn from last game? This is how I play:beam: :beam:
And didn't you notice that I also wanted you lynched because of that behavior in the last game. At least we are being consistent
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 17:37
Yes indeed - its called Real life, getting ready to move, take a new job, etc.
If you wish to lynch for that - by all means. However once again your effort is noticed, thanks for your concern
What effort? :inquisitive:
And didn't you notice that I also wanted you lynched because of that behavior in the last game. At least we are being consistent
And what was I in the last game?:smash: :beam:
Reenk Roink
02-18-2007, 18:31
And what was I in the last game?:smash: :beam:
A Jotun.
Ichigo hasn't sent me any PM's like in Midgard intimating that he was Mafia, so I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon against him.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
A Jotun.
Ichigo hasn't sent me any PM's like in Midgard intimating that he was Mafia, so I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon against him.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
So Jotun go to Valhalla too?
I think your the only one who says I'm a Jotun.
Err, isnt this GH game?:inquisitive:
Kommodus
02-18-2007, 23:55
To those who've played GH's games before - is there to anything to be read into this?
Not necessarily. Kills in GH's games are commonly a combination of the work of the mafia and GH's own writing style; that is, the mafia usually send the "meat" of the kill method, and GH supplies the rest. Trying to separate which bits come from where can be fraught with pitfalls.
However, the bit that you quoted is very likely to come from the mafia, since it's actually a story element. Therefore, it's clear that there is an ongoing story being written into the kills by at least one of the mafia (not the meat-mafioso). That has been done before in an earlier GH game. It was done by... er, well, by myself.
What does this mean? Well, to me it means that someone is probably trying to frame me, meaning they're afraid of me. (Whyever would that be?) I think one of our mafiosi is a veteran of GH's games. Further evidence of this is in the selection of victims - people who aren't generally well-known for their detective work (yet) with the possible exception of Rhythmic. This killer obviously doesn't want to prove the innocence of any heavy-hitting players, a lesson well-learned from GH's earlier games.
Hughtower, you are suspicious for trying to call attention to this. What exactly were you hoping to get as a response? Was it an honest question, or are you disappointed that no one's picked up the subtle indications written into your team's kill descriptions?
Meanwhile, I'm working on some upgrades to Holmes (tm). I'll let you guys know if they turn anything up.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 00:02
Not necessarily. Kills in GH's games are commonly a combination of the work of the mafia and GH's own writing style; that is, the mafia usually send the "meat" of the kill method, and GH supplies the rest. Trying to separate which bits come from where can be fraught with pitfalls.
However, the bit that you quoted is very likely to come from the mafia, since it's actually a story element. Therefore, it's clear that there is an ongoing story being written into the kills by at least one of the mafia (not the meat-mafioso). That has been done before in an earlier GH game. It was done by... er, well, by myself.
What does this mean? Well, to me it means that someone is probably trying to frame me, meaning they're afraid of me. (Whyever would that be?) I think one of our mafiosi is a veteran of GH's games. Further evidence of this is in the selection of victims - people who aren't generally well-known for their detective work (yet) with the possible exception of Rhythmic. This killer obviously doesn't want to prove the innocence of any heavy-hitting players, a lesson well-learned from GH's earlier games.
Hughtower, you are suspicious for trying to call attention to this. What exactly were you hoping to get as a response? Was it an honest question, or are you disappointed that no one's picked up the subtle indications written into your team's kill descriptions?
Meanwhile, I'm working on some upgrades to Holmes (tm). I'll let you guys know if they turn anything up.
I don't like this post. Three things:
1) You claim the kill thing is an attempt to frame you. And of course, framed people must be innocent :inquisitive: In actuality several people have done the continuous story thing.
2) You claim hughtower is suspicious for calling attention on this. By this logic you are yourself suspicious for #1.
3) You claim to be upgrading holmes. We'll see, but I worry this might be used as an excuse for not turning up results.
However, I'm willing to wait and see what you turn up--if you turn up people I believe innocent...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 00:05
Im dead?
No, you're alive. I don't like this post either, this is one of those "if I was mafia I would know if I was alive or dead, so I can't be mafia" things.
discovery1
02-19-2007, 00:05
Sasaki is apparently never wrong.....
How suspicious.
Sigurd, I really should look at you after you went and got me lynched for NO reason.
No, you're alive. I don't like this post either, this is one of those "if I was mafia I would know if I was alive or dead, so I can't be mafia" things.
I dont like this post either.:bounce:
I think I was lynched.
Well, Seems Sir Moody, lurker, cames here with a vote and nothing more.And comes with a poor excuse to jump in the bandwagon
It is very suspect.
Pannonian
02-19-2007, 01:39
Well, Seems Sir Moody, lurker, cames here with a vote and nothing more.And comes with a poor excuse to jump in the bandwagon
It is very suspect.
You're going to be lynched this round, but we really must generate discussion for the next round. I started the bandwagon which everyone jumped on this round, and it can be flattering to be trusted so much, but at the same time it is unsatisfying just to have everyone agree without testing the logic of what I'm saying. How the discussion is to be generated I don't know - perhaps a few of us should fling some dirt around to pull the targets out of lurkerdom, and if they stay in the shadows, pick one of them for the ropes and horses.
That's why Warluster irritated me - he's signed up for this game, he's still alive but barely participating, yet he's starting a new game. For goodness sake honour your commitment to existing games if you have the time to host one of your own.
This seems like a never ending day, doesn't it?
GeneralHankerchief
02-19-2007, 01:53
This seems like a never ending day, doesn't it?
Yeah.
I picked a terrible real-life time to be hosting one of these games, but I'm not going to pause it until things ease up.
Lynch will happen at 9PM EST (2:00 GMT). Make it an interesting hour.
Yeah.
I picked a terrible real-life time to be hosting one of these games, but I'm not going to pause it until things ease up.
Lynch will happen at 9PM EST (2:00 GMT). Make it an interesting hour.
Ahhhh don't be sad GH.:iloveyou: I'm pretty sure that CF is the outstanding lynch candidate.:whip:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 02:05
CF isn't a bad choice.
CF isn't a bad choice.
I'm glad you agree.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 02:08
I'm glad you agree.
Thanks for sharing.
are we making this hour interesting yet?
Thanks for sharing.
are we making this hour interesting yet?
Sure is. Were only eleven minutes into it and look how many posts we've made 4:sweatdrop:
Pannonian
02-19-2007, 02:18
BTW, Ichigo, what was the question you kept pressing Caius to answer? Could you link to the post where you originally asked it?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 02:20
t'was "why did you ask him to show his pm" iirc.
BTW, Ichigo, what was the question you kept pressing Caius to answer? Could you link to the post where you originally asked it?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1431784&postcount=310
I restated it later on that page incase he missed it, but he didn't seem to want to answer the question so I voted for him.
Pannonian
02-19-2007, 02:36
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1431784&postcount=310
I restated it later on that page incase he missed it, but he didn't seem to want to answer the question so I voted for him.
Where did CF ask Rythmic to reveal his PM?
Where did CF ask Rythmic to reveal his PM?
I wasn't talking about Rhythmic I was talking about whoever that quote you had was addressing.
GeneralHankerchief
02-19-2007, 03:27
Voting over.
Stand by for the execution.
That was an interesting hour and a half. ~;)
GeneralHankerchief
02-19-2007, 03:47
As voting wrapped up, Chief of Police Beirut brought in two horses, apparently from his own stables. They were beautiful specimens, much more large and powerful than the ones that had been used in the previous murder.
Caius Flaminius, however, did not appreciate the beauty of these thoroughbreds. He was still busy trying to talk his way out of being lynched, and doing a miserable job at that. So, as Beirut was explaining to the villagers how he got into the horse breeding and raising profession in his spare time, and how these two beauties were his pride and joy, Caius was still sputtering that he was innocent, to an audience of zero. Even the horses weren't paying attention.
"---- -- ------ ---- --- ---------- ----- --- Caius, SHUT UP!" Finally, something got through to him. Now that he had the full attention of all of the villagers, Beirut proceeded with his official announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby declared Caius Flaminius guilty of murder. Caius, do you have any final words-"
He was cut off as Caius went off declaring his innocence again. Beirut fired his gun in the air to bring back order.
"...NOT related to your innocence?"
Caius shook his head.
"Very well. Someone help me tie him up."
Several eager villagers helped Beirut hash the condemned party to the two horses, in the exact same style that had been used to kill Rythmic. Beirut fired his gun once more, and the horses took off. There was a terrible ripping sound, which signaled the end of this day's execution.
Here is the vote summary for Round 3:
Caius Flaminius: 5 (Pannonian, Stig, CountArach, Ichigo, Sir Moody) :skull:
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Xiahou, Reenk Roink)
Stig: 1 (Caius Flaminius)
Xiahou: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Ichigo: 1 (Redleg)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Kagemusha)
Abstained: 3 (Kommodus, pevergreen, ByzantineKnight)
Didn't vote: 13 (Fenring, Lord Motep of Kendermore, Sir Boo, Crazed Rabbit, JimBob, Ignoramus, Warluster, AndresTheCunning, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Seamus Fermanagh, Dutch_guy, Destroyer of Hope)
~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (26)
Kagemusha
Sasaki Kojiro
Xiahou
Stig
Fenring
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Ichigo
Pannonian
Crazed Rabbit
Redleg
Reenk Roink
JimBob
pevergreen
Ignoramus
CountArach
ByzantineKnight
Warluster
AndresTheCunning
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Moody
Seamus Fermanagh
Dutch_guy
Destroyer of Hope
ChuggtheSquirrel
Kommodus
Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
~~~~~~~~
WARNING to inactive players: If you do not change the current pattern you are in, you will be removed from this game, either by Wrath of God or replacement.
Those little ******* had killed me.
Those little ******* had killed me.
blah blah blah mafioso.
ChuggtheSquirrel
02-19-2007, 06:00
Sorry I haven't been active, I haven't been able to make much time for this... :embarassed: I'll try, though you're probably wanting to WoG me by now.
GeneralHankerchief
02-19-2007, 06:02
Actually, you were safe for at least another round. But glad you still check in. :yes:
Warluster
02-19-2007, 07:52
G'day all, also i am sorry for being in-active, I'll try and be active even more on this.
So Sasaki who are your supects?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 08:45
X-man
Want to see kommo's response as well.
Just wondering. I need to reread the thread though Redleg seems kinda suspicious to me though he's got a valid excuse for not posting as much his posts don't seem to be the same style as before, but like I said I need to reread the thread.
X-manOh gee, there's a surprise. I'm number one most wanted, because I dared to call him out on his BS. :rolleyes:
Personally, I think it's bad form to discuss suspects so early on in a night phase- it makes the mafia's job so much easier by identifying likely lynch candidates that they can safely avoid murdering. Of course, I expect making the mafia's job easier is your primary goal isnt it?
Oh gee, there's a surprise. I'm number one most wanted, because I dared to call him out on his BS. :rolleyes:
Personally, I think it's bad form to discuss suspects so early on in a night phase- it makes the mafia's job so much easier by identifying likely lynch candidates that they can safely avoid murdering. Of course, I expect making the mafia's job easier is your primary goal isnt it?
Well it's unlikely that anyones suspects will get killed since most of them will be people that have actually posted more than 3-4 times unless your suspects are lurkers or no shows.
Well it's unlikely that anyones suspects will get killed since most of them will be people that have actually posted more than 3-4 times unless your suspects are lurkers or no shows.
What? ~:confused:
What? ~:confused:
It's simple really. If the mafioso is an experienced player he will most likely go after lurkers and no-shows. So that there will be more talkative people alive therefore more suspicious people. Atleast that's my opnion on it.
CountArach
02-19-2007, 09:54
Wow 13 No Votes! That's pretty bad.
Come on townies! Get your act together!
Dutch_guy
02-19-2007, 14:07
G'day all, also i am sorry for being in-active, I'll try and be active even more on this.
So I take it your own mafia game is going to have to wait a bit longer ? ~;)
[Added Emoticon]
:balloon2:
Kommodus
02-19-2007, 15:20
In actuality several people have done the continuous story thing.
Yeah, you're right. I didn't mean to deny credit to those fine writers; I apologize if I appeared to.
3) You claim to be upgrading holmes. We'll see, but I worry this might be used as an excuse for not turning up results.
Well, I finished most of the planned upgrades to Holmes last night. Unfortunately, I won't be able to analyze the results as early as hoped. I'm busy this evening and then away on a business trip all day tomorrow, so I can't do the analysis until Wednesday at the earliest. Again, sorry.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 16:37
Oh gee, there's a surprise. I'm number one most wanted, because I dared to call him out on his BS. :rolleyes:
Personally, I think it's bad form to discuss suspects so early on in a night phase- it makes the mafia's job so much easier by identifying likely lynch candidates that they can safely avoid murdering. Of course, I expect making the mafia's job easier is your primary goal isnt it?
You are very much out of form. Such harsh attack is not like you.
HughTower
02-19-2007, 21:15
Sasaki - your attack on Xiahou is inconsistent with your defence of Ichigo.
WHY? for about the 3 rd time of asking....
Sasaki - your attack on Xiahou is inconsistent with your defence of Ichigo.
WHY? for about the 3 rd time of asking....
It's almost like an actor playing the part of Sasaki rather than Sasaki himself isn't it? He's trying real hard to act as he normally would, but he's just not selling it- not to me.
Sorry for my absence. Carnaval ~:cheers:
I've been more drunk than sober the last two days, so you're probably all glad I didn't contribute in here during that period. It would have been, eh, disturbing...
When I'm back alive, I'll participate "come d'habitude".
Dutch_guy
02-19-2007, 21:44
It's almost like an actor playing the part of Sasaki rather than Sasaki himself isn't it? He's trying real hard to act as he normally would, but he's just not selling it- not to me.
Looks like the regular Sasaki to me though, what do you find different from other games ?
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 23:07
Sasaki - your attack on Xiahou is inconsistent with your defence of Ichigo.
WHY? for about the 3 rd time of asking....
One is acting as usual the other isn't.
Pannonian
02-19-2007, 23:21
I don't think the kill identities are going to make much difference to this, but I'd like to hear more from Seamus. He is a self-proclaimed deadly townie (see the summaries for Capo), yet he has barely been seen here. He has been around in the Backroom, as recently as a few minutes ago, so he has had time to check the Org. Also, his being an experienced player would fit Kommodus' profile of someone wanting to keep all the "heavy hitters" in the limelight of suspicion.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-19-2007, 23:21
Actually, to me, both of you appear to be your normal selves on these posts.
I have seen Xiahou in this style of posting -- and not when mafioso AND Sasaki seems to be his normal irascible self.
meh.
We could all gang up on someone else to provoke discussion....
Mostly, I am just waiting for data.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 23:37
Actually, to me, both of you appear to be your normal selves on these posts.
I have seen Xiahou in this style of posting -- and not when mafioso
Where?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 00:06
Here.:dizzy2:
Seamus was referring to past games.
HughTower
02-20-2007, 00:49
Is it time for a lurker campaign yet?
Sigurd's lurking, yet active in the Org, & he seems to be on my list for some reason or other.
And, of course, Ichigo's presence here is of no benefit to anyone, bar maybe his ISP. Though, apparently, that's alright.....
Is it time for a lurker campaign yet?
Sigurd's lurking, yet active in the Org, & he seems to be on my list for some reason or other.
And, of course, Ichigo's presence here is of no benefit to anyone, bar maybe his ISP. Though, apparently, that's alright.....
Neither is yours, but you don't see me crying about it do you?
Looks like the regular Sasaki to me though, what do you find different from other games ?I've already pointed out how his attacks are ringing hollow. Also, he proclaims CF a good lynch choice, yet keeps his retaliation vote lodged against me. Why? My guess that it's to throw off vote analysis. One of the people voting for CF is probably mafia.
One thing to wonder... where's our detective? Sasaki and Ichigo would've both been prime investigation candidates, which leaves me pondering the possibilities. The detective could be dead, he could be inactive, or he could be wasting his time investigated people who are going to get WoG'ed- or just maybe, both of them are innocent. With 13 no votes last round (pathetic), my guess would be that he's inactive.
I agree with Dutch Guy.Of course you do...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 02:13
Haha, I didn't know you had such creativity in you, X.
I've already pointed out how his attacks are ringing hollow. Also, he proclaims CF a good lynch choice, yet keeps his retaliation vote lodged against me. Why? My guess that it's to throw off vote analysis. One of the people voting for CF is probably mafia.
1) I said "not a bad lynch". Clearly not the same as "good lynch choice".
2) I voted you before you voted me, yours is the retaliation vote.
One thing to wonder... where's our detective? Sasaki and Ichigo would've both been prime investigation candidates, which leaves me pondering the possibilities. The detective could be dead, he could be inactive, or he could be wasting his time investigated people who are going to get WoG'ed- or just maybe, both of them are innocent. With 13 no votes last round (pathetic), my guess would be that he's inactive.
Of course you do...
Now you're inventing excuses for why the detective hasn't claimed yet? :thumbsdown:
ByzantineKnight
02-20-2007, 02:15
And, of course, Ichigo's presence here is of no benefit to anyone, bar maybe his ISP.
:laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 02:18
Most ISP's charge a monthly rate, so he's just costing them money by using the internet.
Also: https://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3876/emoticeburngw7.gif
2) I voted you before you voted me, yours is the retaliation vote.You're clearly delusional. You voted for Pannonian and then switched your vote to me for no other reason than I voted for you. That's a retaliatory as it gets. What else do you call it when you vote for someone in direct response to their voting against you?
Now you're inventing excuses for why the detective hasn't claimed yet? :thumbsdown:No, unless he's found a mafioso he shouldn't reveal yet. I think he's inactive though.
pevergreen
02-20-2007, 02:35
And, of course, Ichigo's presence here is of no benefit to anyone, bar maybe his ISP.
Sigged. :bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 02:50
You're clearly delusional. You voted for Pannonian and then switched your vote to me for no other reason than I voted for you. That's a retaliatory as it gets. What else do you call it when you vote for someone in direct response to their voting against you?
Well, let's see.
That would be illegal according to the rules listed in the original post.
unvote: Destroyer of Hope
Vote: Ichigo
He seems like he's protecting a role.
Unvote,Vote:Xiahou
bandwagon+poor reason.
Were I a more punitive person, I'd change my vote for Sasaki at this point for the same reasons he lists. One vote isn't a bandwagon and I gave a reason- which is more than you did in voting for me.
I believed Destro's explanation (for now)- thus the unvote. There are a few others I'd add to my suspect list, but doing so publicly would only make the mafia's job easier.
Right, so Redleg voted Ichigo and persued him in several posts, Andres Questioned Ichigo, HughTower accused Ichigo and put him in his sig as #1 suspect, but there was no wagon on him? Ichigo is very lynchable today->voting for him is bandagon. Your reason is "he looks like he's protecting a role" which isn't even an accusation of guilty, and you don't explain. My vote gave two reasons: bandwagon and poor vote.
So 1 vote last round and a couple of inquiries makes a vote this round a bandwagon?
Absolute nonsense. His responses to previous inquiries were very odd and are what make me thing he's protecting a role.
I'm comfortable with my vote.
The vote and the discussion were both this round. Most of this round has been discussion on Ichigo. He is the foremost candidate. Ergo, bandwagon.
I think I figured out the criteria- any vote but Sasaki's is a bandwagon.
Seriously, anyone who votes for someone based on in thread discussion is pushing a bandwagon by his criteria- it's lunacy.
I've come to the conclusion that Sasaki is up to something. He's been able to help generate helpful discussion in other games, but now it just seems that he's muddying up the waters and obfuscating
vote: Sasaki
I still think he's dirty.
I suppose hugh is right about the in character thing.
Unvote:Pannonian, Vote:Xiahou
Why am I guilty again? Last time you said "were I a more punitive person I'd vote you" which indicates that you didn't think I was guilty. Now you say you do "just like you did".
Correct, I didn't make a retaliatory vote against you- like you just did against me I might add. It wasn't until it dawned on me you were basing your attacks on utter nonsense that I realized you're up to no good. Calling a vote based on thread discussion isn't a bandwagon- that'd have to be clear even to you. When I point that out you make some sheepish argument about 'well only if it's a vote I disagree with'- that's more nonsense.
False accusations? Retaliation voting? I think you're scummy.
Oh gee, there's a surprise. I'm number one most wanted, because I dared to call him out on his BS.
Personally, I think it's bad form to discuss suspects so early on in a night phase- it makes the mafia's job so much easier by identifying likely lynch candidates that they can safely avoid murdering. Of course, I expect making the mafia's job easier is your primary goal isnt it?
It's quite clear. I voted you and a few posts later you accuse me of being guilty, and you vote me the next round. My vote the next day is in continuation of the previous day. Your posts are filled with falsehoods and bad logic.
No, unless he's found a mafioso he shouldn't reveal yet. I think he's inactive though.
You're assuming he's inactive, because that's the only explanation you have that doesn't make me innocent.
It's quite clear. I voted you and a few posts later you accuse me of being guilty, and you vote me the next round. My vote the next day is in continuation of the previous day. Your posts are filled with falsehoods and bad logic.Still trying to defend the indefensible? Thanks for taking the time to post quotes, they prove my point nicely- the only thing you could've done to help me more would be to put in the phase breaks. I didn't retaliate for you vote against me- I called you out on it. It was during discussion in the following night phase (I believe), that I concluded you were up to no good. Then in the following day phase you vote for Pannonian. I made good on my earlier conclusion and voted Sasaki- you immediately retaliate with a vote on me.
You can't defend it- your vote was retaliation pure and simple. If you really thought I was guilty (based on your vote in the previous round), why go after Pannonian? What made me suddenly become a target other than my vote for you? More dumb, uncharacteristic mistakes- not making yourself look any better. :no:
You're assuming he's inactive, because that's the only explanation you have that doesn't make me innocent.I'm almost certain he's inactive.
Edit: I don't think it's wise to continue drowning out legitimate debate like this. If anyone thinks I haven't made my case clear, please ask. Otherwise- I've said my piece and will quiet down until the lynch vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 03:27
What makes you think I forgot about you while going after pannonian? You've played with me enough to know better.
Pannonian
02-20-2007, 03:30
It looks like one of the roles is currently inactive and looking for a replacement, judging by the long night. Since there has been a theme running through the killings, my guess is both mafia are active. However, GH has been angling for replacements, and in the replacement thread has specifically named Destroyer of Hope as someone to be replaced. Now this may be due to his request to be suicided, or it could be that Destroyer was the detective, and a hitherto townie will shortly be getting a role PM.
pevergreen
02-20-2007, 03:36
Now this may be due to his request to be suicided,
it is.
It looks like one of the roles is currently inactive and looking for a replacement, judging by the long night. Since there has been a theme running through the killings, my guess is both mafia are active. However, GH has been angling for replacements, and in the replacement thread has specifically named Destroyer of Hope as someone to be replaced. Now this may be due to his request to be suicided, or it could be that Destroyer was the detective, and a hitherto townie will shortly be getting a role PM.
I wasn't going to point that out in thread, but yes- I think DoH was detective. Take his unusually active behavior in the start of the game- now he's going to suicide for lack of time to play. Hopefully, the role will be randomly reassigned to another townie.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-20-2007, 04:22
Sasaki:
Stretches of G2 (Silver) and M5 (General). This may be the longest stretch now, surpassing those.
So, is that mafia or just a response to your goading?
I will ponder.
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 04:35
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet, aside from the sound of a car returning to an apartment. The driver of the car was Sir Boo, who had been up all night at his cushy job, where he had requested the night shift after the killings began.
However, when Boo got to his floor, he immediately noticed something was wrong. The door to his room was wide open, and he was positive that he had shut and locked it before going to work. It was stupid, after all, to keep it open with the mafia lurking around.
Boo, fearing the worst, immediately ran to his safe (he didn't trust banks that much) and found the worst. It too, was open. This was not good. Not good at all. Something was missing. Boo took out his cellular phone and dialed a number.
After seven rings (it was still quite early), a voice picked up.
"Hello?"
"It's Boo. Something bad's happened. I've lost it."
"You WHAT?"
"I know, I know... Yes, I'm positive I kept everything locked. They must have known the combination somehow..."
The other voice kept talking. Boo had the feeling that he was being watched, but did not turn around. When the person on the other end of the line, Boo apologized one more time, asked him to keep an eye out it, and concluded the conversation with a "be careful."
After that, he turned around. Even in that short period of time Boo already looked frazzled, with his hair messy and sweat pouring down his face. And then he saw something which did not do much for his current situation.
"Thanks for the number, Boo," said a man who had stepped into his doorway.
Boo just stood there, dumbfounded. Meanwhile, the mafioso was carefully screwing the silencer on his gun, as he had done so before.
"Oh, don't worry," said the mafioso, "We'll be letting your brother know of your demise shortly. Thanks again!"
Boo gaped. The mafioso shot him in between the eyes, leaving that expression on his face forever.
Meanwhile, Sir Moody was eating breakfast without really tasting the food. Shame, really, since it was pancakes. But when you were in his situation, you'd be doing the exact same thing.
This state of mood had started when his brother, Sir Boo, had told him something the previous execution phase.
"Were they really here?" he said to himself. "Did they know so much? Were the killings just a coincidence? Of course they were, just a terrible, sick coincidence." The words were coming out of Moody's mouth, but he didn't believe them in the least.
He finished his meal in silence, lost in his own thoughts. Needless to say, he was far too troubled to hear the window opening in the room adjacent to his. Too busy drinking his bottle of red wine (hey, he had problems) to hear the soft footsteps of an assassin disabling the alarm system.
Unfortunately for the stealthy mafioso, his luck ended there. He did not notice that the floor ascended a level and stumbled right into it. The sound of the stumble was not that loud, but the sound of his cursing was. Moody finally noticed something was up.
He got up with a start, bottle of wine and knife (only a butter knife, but still) in his hands.
"Who's there?" His voice sounded stronger than he felt. He was answered by a ringing phone. Moody decided that the call was more important, and took it.
"Thank God you're safe and sound, bro." Moody sighed with relief. It sounded like his brother, Sir Boo. "I thought that they would have come after you, too."
"Waitaminute, what do you mean by that? Are you saying they came after you? And you survived?"
"They didn't come after me, they came after it. They ransacked my place while I was out. But luckily, I don't have it."
Moody nodded. "Of course you don't, I do."
Click.
All of a sudden, Moody shuddered. There's no way his brother would have hung up that abruptly, not without a "be careful" or something along those lines. Moody turned around, slightly freaked. And then he saw something that made him even more so. A shady figure was lounging on his sofa.
"Hello Moody, what a beautiful day this is." The mafioso had a gun out, equipped with a silencer.
"Spare me the small talk," he continued, apparently not realizing or caring that he had started the conversation, "you know what I want. It's best you give me the code now. Safes are difficult to crack."
Moody said nothing, although he started to sweat profusely and shoot his eyes around nervously.
"Come on, Moody, this doesn't have to be hard. Spare your brother the pain, and just hand over the code. He doesn't have to die, but he will if you don't obey me."
Moody, totally defeated and not knowing his brother's current condition (a slight case of rigor mortis), reluctantly handed over the code.
"See, that wasn't so hard, was it?" Moody nodded halfheartedly, and received a bullet between the eyes. A second later, the bottle of wine that he had been holding the entire time slipped to the floor and shattered.
"Shame about the wine," the mafioso said to himself as he let himself out.
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers in the town square to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "I don't really have much to say here, although I have a reasonable suspicion that an item of grave importance is in grave danger. It would be beneficial to all of us if you chose the correct person to lynch. So get to it!"
~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (24)
Kagemusha
Sasaki Kojiro
Xiahou
Stig
Fenring
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Ichigo
Pannonian
Crazed Rabbit
Redleg
Reenk Roink
JimBob
pevergreen
Ignoramus
CountArach
ByzantineKnight
Warluster
AndresTheCunning
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Seamus Fermanagh
Dutch_guy
Faust| (replaces Destroyer of Hope who suicided)
ChuggtheSquirrel
Kommodus
Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
Caius Flaminius
Vote:Sasaki
Seems to be picking a fight with others for reasons that don't seem all that logical in the scope of the game.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 04:41
Acting out of character is a very common mafia tell.
As is persistance without having good reason...
Vote:Xiahou
Seamus Fermanagh
02-20-2007, 05:00
Inactive Voters:
Format = Name (post count) [votes]
No Votes whatsoever:
Dutch (8)*, Fenrig (2), Iggy (1), JimBob (1), Motep (1), 'Luster (2)*
--the three ones are clearly wog-bait. Dutch continues to post without choosing (he did post an explanation of this). Warluster claims press of time.
* = passive abstention only
No Active Votes:
Chugg (4) [abstain, dnv, dnv]
One Active Vote:
ByzK (8) [pev', abstain, abstain], Arach (10) [abstain, abstain, Caius], Rabbit (2) [Redleg, dnv, dnv].
-- Rabbit is lurking, why I do not know.
-- ByzK and Arach are not being decisive -- not sure of the story here either.
Also Kagemusha (5) [HughT, dnv, Rabbit] with two active votes has a low post count both for him and as compared to the active voters.
However, for now, I will agree with his last round idea and Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 05:02
Acting out of character is a very common mafia tell.
No it's not. Different character can be explained by many factors.
As is persistance without having good reason...
That's you though...
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro for reasons mentioned in almost everyone of my posts.
By the way, you shouldn't have killed Sir Moody Mafia cowards! :veryangry:
vote: Sasaki
For reasons obvious to anyone who's been following the thread.
Pannonian
02-20-2007, 05:12
Let's see him talk then.
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
02-20-2007, 07:03
IIRC it is unlike Rabbit to lurk. Perhaps he is trying to fly under the radar? Let's see him talk.
Aye, talk bitch :whip:
~D
Vote: CR
(and if you say I bandwagon, vote Xiahou first for his bandwagon)
Vote:Xiahou
His behavior reminds me of Graffiti Mafia, and now that I look back it seems so even more. I don't like this one bit :sweatdrop:
pevergreen
02-20-2007, 09:09
I want to know what the item was. It could be a write up, but why does Beirut mention it. Too many references to just be mafia write up i think.
vote: Xiahou
Because... uhm... eh.... *words*
BANDWAGON!!! woohooo... :laugh4:
vote: Xiahou
Because... uhm... eh.... *words*
BANDWAGON!!! woohooo... :laugh4:
At least he's honest about it. :rolleyes:
Trying to save CR or Sasaki? :stare:
Trying to save CR or Sasaki? :stare:
I would say: Trying to kill a mafia :bounce:
HughTower
02-20-2007, 12:59
Acting out of character is a very common mafia tell.
As is persistance without having good reason...
Vote:Xiahou
Acting out of character is a good tell, but highly subjective. I have no basis on which to judge his character, except for CdiT where he was quiet in the thread, but obviously very busy killing people behind the scenes, & as a result, find nothing suspicious about his behaviour. You claim it's out of character, despite people saying otherwise - what should we believe?
You are being equally persistent in your pursuit of Xiahou, (indeed as I am of Ichigo & Sigurd). However, 'good reason' is also highly subjective - I don't think your reasoning for Xiahou is 'good', I argued that Sigurd's reasoning for accusing pevergreen was not 'good', & Ichigo lives a land where reason is something that a grape turns into when left on the vine too long.
It is interesting that Sasaki, Ichigo & Sigurd have formed a cabal of self-interest, based on bandwagoning & nonsense voting.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-20-2007, 14:08
Welcome to the family fued!
Here's the "Let's lynch Sasaki family:"
Xiahou, Reenk, Redleg
Here's the "Let's lynch Xiahou family:"
Sasaki, Ichigo, Sigurd
Problem, for me, is that I do not see either Sasaki or Xiahou out of character so far. Xiahou is posting at nearly 2 posts in 40, but his mafia track record is 1.2 posts per 40 or less -- so far he has always been a quiet mafioso. Sasaki is nattering and pushing -- typical Sasaki.
We've had three votes and several hundred posts. Kommo, surely Mycroft has at least some preliminaries?
I'd love to get Sasaki stabbing away at somebody who I could feel was off norm. So far Rabbit and ... Kommo himself .... seem a little off norm to my lights.
HughTower
02-20-2007, 14:31
@ Seamus - fair comment.
How about this for food for thought?
The Sirs were killed in tandem in CdiT as well.
Sir Boo - by Rabbit & Pindar
Sir Moody - by Alex & Xiahou
Both were killed under the auspices of the Barzinis - Prole & Reenk.
Two Aussies were killed the night before - our mafioso/i likes a theme it would seem.
Any thoughts, or shall I just go put my foil hat on again & return to the bunker?
Sir Moody
02-20-2007, 14:52
Both me and my brother killed in the same round... typical... least i didnt die in the first round again :help:
I would look at Komm if i were you guys, hes playing this one very much differently than normal - that doesnt meen hes guilty (he may be trying out a new hunting method) but it is certainly odd
ByzantineKnight
02-20-2007, 15:03
Both me and my brother killed in the same round... typical... least i didnt die in the first round again :help:
I would look at Komm if i were you guys, hes playing this one very much differently than normal - that doesnt meen hes guilty (he may be trying out a new hunting method) but it is certainly odd
U guys are brothers? Cool! Me and Chugg too!
Pannonian
02-20-2007, 15:08
Both me and my brother killed in the same round... typical... least i didnt die in the first round again :help:
I would look at Komm if i were you guys, hes playing this one very much differently than normal - that doesnt meen hes guilty (he may be trying out a new hunting method) but it is certainly odd
He's given some pretty good excuses so far, but at the same time they're excuses that try the patience of the town. Business trips, trying out the new system, etc. deserves some laxity, but at the same time we should not forget about him. Let's put him aside for the meantime, as he's set Wednesday as the date when he'll be active again.
Meanwhile, we have a good situation - 3 people each on 3 votes and in danger of lynching. The Crazed Rabbit camp is straightforward enough - we want an explanation from him for his absence. Can the other two camps do a summary of why their candidate is guilty so we won't have to dig through the whole thread? If you've already written a summary, post again from this point with a link to that summary.
vote: Xiahou
Because... uhm... eh.... *words*
BANDWAGON!!! woohooo... :laugh4:
I would like Sigurd to write the summary Pannonian was talking about :inquisitive: And i want him to add his reasons for his vote.
I didn't trust him at the start, when he succesfully managed to get HughTower lynched without giving much explanation as for what particular reason he voted HughTower.
Afterwards he explained, I didn't like that explanation but I accepted it.
And now he does this... Shamelesly bandwagoning and admitting it as well.
I would like to hear your explanation for this vote Sigurd. Since I suspected you earlier on in the game and you managed to catch my eye with another "without any particular good reason"-vote, I will:
Vote : Sigurd Fafnesbane
Elaborate why you voted Xiahou. Are you trying to hide between the crowd with this quickly popping up after a long period of silence and voting for someone who is on others players list of suspects?
Quickly casting a vote for someone who is likely to get lynched and afterwards disappearing until the next lynch round? What are you up to Sigurd? Do you want the town to do your dirty mafioso work?
Vote : Sigurd Fafnesbane
Elaborate why you voted Xiahou. Are you trying to hide between the crowd with this quickly popping up after a long period of silence and voting for someone who is on others players list of suspects?
there are two crowds? and I am in the middle.... yes that must be it.
Quickly casting a vote for someone who is likely to get lynched and afterwards disappearing until the next lynch round? What are you up to Sigurd? Do you want the town to do your dirty mafioso work?
I'll answer Xiahou on this one.
*Cough* I am trying to save Sasaki... uhm ... or was it CR.. damn... this Alzheimer... Oh well I can't remember sorry. :beam:
there are two crowds? and I am in the middle.... yes that must be it.
I'll answer Xiahou on this one.
*Cough* I am trying to save Sasaki... uhm ... or was it CR.. damn... this Alzheimer... Oh well I can't remember sorry. :beam:
Is this your "normal" style in mafia games? :inquisitive: It seems like you are drunk... Carnaval?
:inquisitive:
Sigurd, allthough I appreciate the humor, I would like to have an answer...
Just playing the clown and acting as the funny guy can be some sort of deception as well. You are too much showing this "I don't really care what you think"-attitude ("and a mafioso would care, wouldn't he, so I can't be mafioso blablabla"). Is this your "regular" play style or do you eagerly want us to believe that you are innocent by acting like you don't care about who you vote and why you vote? Please, give a "real" answer.
This isn't the Midgurd Saga and there is no Loki character here ~;)
Pannonian
02-20-2007, 16:37
In that case I might as well switch my vote to you. You've been gleefully opaque throughout this game, without even the semblance of explanation. I expect Rabbit to be wogged pretty soon, so it would be less wasteful to concentrate on you instead. I urge at least a couple of others to vote Sigurd to pressure him to explain his activities in this game.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 17:00
Problem, for me, is that I do not see either Sasaki or Xiahou out of character so far. Xiahou is posting at nearly 2 posts in 40, but his mafia track record is 1.2 posts per 40 or less -- so far he has always been a quiet mafioso. Sasaki is nattering and pushing -- typical Sasaki.
He's posted more because I'm pressing him. His defense reminds me strongly of Capo, i.e. this kind of post:
:laugh4:
Both families attacked me- how nice. I honestly didn't think there were enough people left in town to pull of so many kill attempts and protections. I'm not sure how I gained the wrath of both Redleg's family and another- but apparently I was more of a threat to them than even I thought.
Clearly, Redleg wasn't as confident as he led us to believe about being able to bandwagon lynch me on his flimsy evidence though. Hopefully, my death wises up any real townies left.. though I suspect there aren't many. :no:
Crazed Rabbit
02-20-2007, 18:35
Hey everyone - sorry for not being that involved in the game. I find it funny that only now, when I decided to post something so as not to be WoG'd after reading GH's last summary, are people actually starting to gun for me. At least, there were briefly, but now aren't, meaning I could've probably continued lurking if it weren't for fear of being struck down by GH.
Anyways...
If Kommodus has no info from his new detective program,
vote: Kommodus
In mafia three he stalled on any results from his research because he was mafia.
CR
Pannonian
02-20-2007, 19:06
Hey everyone - sorry for not being that involved in the game. I find it funny that only now, when I decided to post something so as not to be WoG'd after reading GH's last summary, are people actually starting to gun for me. At least, there were briefly, but now aren't, meaning I could've probably continued lurking if it weren't for fear of being struck down by GH.
Anyways...
If Kommodus has no info from his new detective program,
vote: Kommodus
In mafia three he stalled on any results from his research because he was mafia.
CR
He said he's off on a trip at the moment and will be back on Wednesday, so there's not much point in voting for him to get a response. Instead, pick one of the other candidates amd explain your reasoning, and/or tell us what you think is happening so far.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 19:18
Why should crazed pick one of the candidates?
Pannonian
02-20-2007, 20:55
Why should crazed pick one of the candidates?
So he can comment on them. His pick isn't important, I just want his comments. And if he doesn't want to pick one of them, he can comment on the general direction of the game so far. Again, his vote isn't important, I just want his comments.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-20-2007, 21:06
Anyways...
If Kommodus has no info from his new detective program,
vote: Kommodus
In mafia three he stalled on any results from his research because he was mafia.
CR
Certainly a possibility. To be fair to him, he always noted that his analytical tools started to work best during/after vote round 4. So I share your skepticism of him, but I'm willing to hold off for now.
As to you, you haven't really answered me fully, now have you. Still, for now it will suffice.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Sigurd:
I don't read your posts as mafia -- but you are off your normal style quite a bit. I think I'll follow Pan-man's vote, at least for now.
Vote: Sigurd
Sasaki:
Actual evidence, huzzah! I do see what's twigging you. Not sure I'm as ready to pull the trigger as you, based on this, since Capo had more of a "voting by blocs" feel to it from the mid-game on, but I do take your point on the parallel with the tone of the posts.
Sasaki:
Actual evidence, huzzah! I do see what's twigging you. Not sure I'm as ready to pull the trigger as you, based on this, since Capo had more of a "voting by blocs" feel to it from the mid-game on, but I do take your point on the parallel with the tone of the posts.
That still doesn't square with Sasaki's own track record from this game. Look to his vote switch from Pannonian- if by defending myself I've supposedly given away my guilt, why does he still wait for me to vote for him before retaliating in kind?
He's also voted for a confirmed innocent in Orb. I must admit though, Sigurd seems to be going out of his way to get lynched. In cases such as that, it's hard for me not to oblige the person. I'll hold the line for now. Also, CR's explanation seems far from acceptable- it's a typical non-denial that he's known for.
Reenk Roink
02-21-2007, 00:18
Vote: Reenk
Oh hell no, you did not just give me a reason to hound you for the rest of the game and beyond... :wink:
Make a note townies. Right now, we have to finish Sasaki Kojiro, but this guy will be in my sights next! :veryangry: Don't say I ever vote for somebody unless there is great benefit for the town or in retaliation.
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 00:45
Vote: Reenk
Can you explain in more detail why you're voting Reenk?
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 01:07
*edit out*
Can you explain why you edited out your reply to Reenk: "Or you could murder me"? If you have an explanation for your vote for Reenk, spill it. Or face the rope this round or the next.
pevergreen
02-21-2007, 01:10
Editing like that can get you killed :yes:
Can you explain why you edited out your reply to Reenk: "Or you could murder me"? If you have an explanation for your vote for Reenk, spill it. Or face the rope this round or the next.
All I have to say at this point is that it looks as if we [reenk] are not playing the same game ~;)
Look at his reply. Is that the genuine reply of a townie (who's single ultimate goal I'll remind you, is to eliminate the mafia)? His reply doesn't even make sense. Looks like he forgot to act how an accused townie should act to a lone vote.
Remember there is a team of two mafia, it would be stupid for them to act the exact same way...
I'm also surprised that someone jumped to Reenk's defense so aggressively when he was not in any danger of being lynched. Are you that dumb?
HughTower
02-21-2007, 01:18
I quite like this mysterious stranger. He's amusing me already.
pevergreen
02-21-2007, 01:19
:yes: He looks to be better than me already :shame: :laugh4:
I don't respond well to threats, sorry to disappoint.
I quite like this mysterious stranger. He's amusing me already.
It looks like love at first sight.:beam:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 01:25
Can you explain why you edited out your reply to Reenk: "Or you could murder me"? If you have an explanation for your vote for Reenk, spill it. Or face the rope this round or the next.
Since when do you decide who faces the rope?
It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.
Since when do you decide who faces the rope?
It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.
I decide who lives and who dies.
I guess I really should start acting seriously in this game.:computer:
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 01:29
All I have to say at this point is that it looks as if we [reenk] are not playing the same game ~;)
Look at his reply. Is that the genuine reply of a townie (who's single ultimate goal I'll remind you, is to eliminate the mafia)? His reply doesn't even make sense. Looks like he forgot to act how an accused townie should act to a lone vote.
Remember there is a team of two mafia, it would be stupid for them to act the exact same way...
I'm also surprised that someone jumped to Reenk's defense so aggressively when he was not in any danger of being lynched. Are you that dumb?
I don't know if I am dumb or not, but I do know when someone isn't explaining himself very well. What exactly do you mean by Reenk not making sense? Quote some examples, then explain how they do not make sense. Link to suspicious Reenk posts that made you vote for him. If Reenk is not in danger, why vote for him in the first place without even an explanation to try and convince others to turn him into a lynchee? We've seen that kind of tactic before in M3, when Kommodus deliberately evaded bandwagons to avoid drawing accusations.
Now I don't think you are mafia, since the descriptions suggested 2 mafiosi who were pretty interested in the game. However, if you are a detective who discovered Reenk to be scum, you're not helping matters by being opaque about this, and you'll probably be killed in the night before you reveal your role. And if you're still alive after tonight, I might be inclined to call for your lynching anyway as an unhelpful townie (at best). So give a better explanation of your vote and reasoning.
HughTower
02-21-2007, 01:31
It looks like love at first sight.:beam:
He reminds me of you. Just as irrelevant, but says less. Beautiful.~:flirt:
EDIT: posted this at the same time as your more meaningful post, Faust, so I'll retract that accusation of irrelevancy. My apologies.
Reenk Roink
02-21-2007, 01:35
Since when do you decide who faces the rope?
Since when do you decide to question people like this?
It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.
Wow, you give 4 (negative) options of my motives. How original.
All I have to say at this point is that it looks as if we [reenk] are not playing the same game
Yeah, I'm not lurking only to pop out of nowhere.
Look at his reply. Is that the genuine reply of a townie (who's single ultimate goal I'll remind you, is to eliminate the mafia)? His reply doesn't even make sense. Looks like he forgot to act how an accused townie should act to a lone vote.
Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.
Remember there is a team of two mafia, it would be stupid for them to act the exact same way...
The sky is blue.
No kidding... :rolleyes:
This rookie has got to go next round...
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 01:38
Since when do you decide who faces the rope?
Since people started preferring bandwagoning to actual discussion of points raised. Most evidently in the last round when I made a single post arguing for Caius Flaminius' execution, and a number of others followed without much questioning of my points. However flattering that may have been, it still shows a tendency for the crowd to follow the first person to make a seemingly authoritative case. The cure for that is more people participating in more discussion.
It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.
However obvious it is, Faust isn't exactly making his thinking clear. The more discussion we have, the better the chances of finding mafia - that's been a well-established principle of all Mafia games.
Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.
....
This rookie has got to go next round...
Wonder if your rotundity will let you sell that BS.
GeneralHankerchief
02-21-2007, 01:48
Keep cool, people.
Reenk Roink
02-21-2007, 01:53
Wonder if your rotundity will let you sell that BS.
How on earth does "rotundity" have any relation or connection to "selling BS". At least make sure you remain coherent when you attempt to insult people... :rolleyes:
Don't worry GeneralHankerchief...
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 01:56
Wonder if your rotundity will let you sell that BS.
Are you going to join the discussions, or are you going to just throw insults around? FYI, IIRC I was the first person to vote for Reenk in this game, so I'm open to persuasion if you can make a better case than you're currently doing.
How on earth does "rotundity" have any relation or connection to "selling BS". At least make sure you remain coherent when you attempt to insult people... :rolleyes:
The purpose was not to insult, pontifical one.
*edit*, you're right GH, sorry.
Keep cool, people.
I'm cold as iceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Reminds me of that ATHF episode (https://youtube.com/watch?v=3Zf-wvXSoaY)
I don't know if I am dumb or not, but I do know when someone isn't explaining himself very well. What exactly do you mean by Reenk not making sense? Quote some examples, then explain how they do not make sense. Link to suspicious Reenk posts that made you vote for him. If Reenk is not in danger, why vote for him in the first place without even an explanation to try and convince others to turn him into a lynchee? We've seen that kind of tactic before in M3, when Kommodus deliberately evaded bandwagons to avoid drawing accusations.
Now I don't think you are mafia, since the descriptions suggested 2 mafiosi who were pretty interested in the game. However, if you are a detective who discovered Reenk to be scum, you're not helping matters by being opaque about this, and you'll probably be killed in the night before you reveal your role. And if you're still alive after tonight, I might be inclined to call for your lynching anyway as an unhelpful townie (at best). So give a better explanation of your vote and reasoning.
My explanation was plain. I'm not going to say anything more.
It should be pretty obvious why faust would vote for reenk. Reenk is either scum hiding behind a feud, roleplaying spillover from midgard, or just amusing himself.
I thought you voted to lynch people who voted without a stated reason. But alas, it seems that you've taken to writing reasons for them instead. :dizzy2:
My explanation was plain. I'm not going to say anything more.If you've investigated him, spill it. It's widely acknowledged that a detective is a good trade for a mafioso. If you haven't done so and aren't a detective, they you have some explaining to do.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 02:17
Since when do you decide to question people like this?
Wow, you give 4 (negative) options of my motives. How original.
Yeah, I'm not lurking only to pop out of nowhere.
Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.
The sky is blue.
No kidding... :rolleyes:
This rookie has got to go next round...
Since always
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Faust replaced in
scummy scummy scummy
scummy scummy scummy
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 02:21
However obvious it is, Faust isn't exactly making his thinking clear. The more discussion we have, the better the chances of finding mafia - that's been a well-established principle of all Mafia games.
I don't get it. You mention that you voted for reenk early, you say you see plenty of reasons for suspecting him, yet you threaten Faust with a lynching for voting him?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 02:23
I thought you voted to lynch people who voted without a stated reason. But alas, it seems that you've taken to writing reasons for them instead. :dizzy2:
I vote for many reasons. But why vote people who are voting for scummy people? That's a sign of pro-towness, reason or no.
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 02:41
I don't get it. You mention that you voted for reenk early, you say you see plenty of reasons for suspecting him, yet you threaten Faust with a lynching for voting him?
I voted Reenk in the first round. I am always inclined to vote Reenk, whenever I get the slightest excuse to do so (this getting me on the list in M3). IIRC I have voted Reenk in the first round in all three GH games I have played in. At the moment, I have other people on my mind, but I will jump at the chance to vote Reenk again if given a remotely plausible reason. Faust hasn't given that reason. Indeed, the way he has posted makes him a hyper-version of Ichigo in this game - deliberately unhelpful and deliberately irritating. I have already voted Sigurd in this round for being unhelpful, and if things don't change I'll vote Faust next round for the same reason. It seems likely Xiahou will do the same, and you can add Reenk to that list as well, making 3 votes. If anyone else wishes to jump on that bandwagon, that will at least equal the quorum needed for previous executions.
There's a simple solution to this for Faust - explain himself better as I suggested. But he refuses to do so, saying he doesn't respond well to threats, and that he's said all he's going to say. If coaxing doesn't work, then we'll have to use the threat of the rope. I'll vote for him next round (if I'm still alive), and I'll recommend others to do so as well. Faced with imminent execution, Faust must provide a better explanation as I've requested all along, or he will go to the gallows. I suspect he's just an unhelpful townie, and I don't really want to waste a lynch on him, but if he continues to refuse to explain himself, we'll reach the deadline and the pressure votes will still be on him, and he'll only have himself to blame for bieng stubborn.
Since when do you decide to question people like this?
Wow, you give 4 (negative) options of my motives. How original.
Yeah, I'm not lurking only to pop out of nowhere.
Looks like you need to play more, or go back and check how I react when people vote for me, especially in your manner. Retaliation voting is, along with proactive voting on very strong reasons, the only ethical way to play the game. All other votes are frivolous and transgressive.
The sky is blue.
No kidding... :rolleyes:
This rookie has got to go next round...
Seems like Faust| has struck a nerve RR.:laugh4: And why should he be killed next round? Seems posting something others don't agree with makes you unhelpful and a great lynch candidate.
Edit:WOOOOOO 4000
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 02:48
...
Lynching people for being unhelpful is not a protown move. Let's lynch mafia aka vote xiahou.
btw, since when is Ichigo unhelpful and irritating? I think he's one of the more shrewd players and he gets discussion going.
For that matter, I'm not seeing the sigurd hate either. He often edges around acting scummy to avoid getting nightkilled. Xiahou is the play for today.
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 03:05
Lynching people for being unhelpful is not a protown move. Let's lynch mafia aka vote xiahou.
And then? I don't really want to lynch Faust, as I think he's a townie. But persuasion hasn't got him to open up so far. The only thing that has consistently been able to get people to talk in all Mafia games is several votes stacked against them and the prospect of execution. If that's what it takes to get him to talk, then that is what he should face. I'll be voting early, and I urge others to do so too, to give Faust plenty of opportunity to explain himself as I've suggested, again and again. I've had to face down a few of these when I was nothing more than an active townie, so I don;t see why it's so unreasonable to expect the same from him.
I'm not calling for his lynching. I'm calling for him to explain himself more, a familiar cry to those who've seen me in other games. However, it looks like persuasion isn't going to get him to talk, so the only way we have left is the threat of execution. Personally, I will be giving him plenty of time in which to contribute to the discussion. However, if he continues to refuse to explain himself while he has a stack of votes against his head, the deadline will pass and the execution will be carried out. If he's left himself in that position despite all the warnings, too bad for him, and too bad for the town if he's not scum. But he'll have had plenty of warnings.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 03:13
He's only one dude. There are what, 25 people left? The mafia will end up killing 2/3 of them. Spending an entire round on one person only ensures that the mafia won't kill him. Lynching the scummiest player while making sure the others say a little is the way to go. Faust has said enough.
And then? I don't really want to lynch Faust, as I think he's a townie. But persuasion hasn't got him to open up so far. The only thing that has consistently been able to get people to talk in all Mafia games is several votes stacked against them and the prospect of execution. If that's what it takes to get him to talk, then that is what he should face. I'll be voting early, and I urge others to do so too, to give Faust plenty of opportunity to explain himself as I've suggested, again and again. I've had to face down a few of these when I was nothing more than an active townie, so I don;t see why it's so unreasonable to expect the same from him.
I'm not calling for his lynching. I'm calling for him to explain himself more, a familiar cry to those who've seen me in other games. However, it looks like persuasion isn't going to get him to talk, so the only way we have left is the threat of execution. Personally, I will be giving him plenty of time in which to contribute to the discussion. However, if he continues to refuse to explain himself while he has a stack of votes against his head, the deadline will pass and the execution will be carried out. If he's left himself in that position despite all the warnings, too bad for him, and too bad for the town if he's not scum. But he'll have had plenty of warnings.
How illogical.:no: That entire statement makes no sense to me.
Lynching people for being unhelpful is not a protown move. Let's lynch mafia aka vote xiahou.It's shockingly stupid that people honestly think I would've drawn so much attention to myself unnecessarily if I was mafia. Well, the town's making their bed and they can lie in it. Vote me and let's be done with it- I'm tired.
edit: What's the tally?
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 03:35
He's only one dude. There are what, 25 people left? The mafia will end up killing 2/3 of them. Spending an entire round on one person only ensures that the mafia won't kill him. Lynching the scummiest player while making sure the others say a little is the way to go. Faust has said enough.
If Xiahou is indeed mafia, and he's lynched this round, then what next?
Faust has found time to throw insults at Reenk, to pout and refuse to answer questions, yet he hasn't found time for the simple task of explaining more clearly why he voted Reenk. What's stopping him? What's wrong with my request for a more detailed discussion?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 03:40
It's not the time. I also don't see why you'd go for faust when Reenk hasn't discussed at all.
We'll deal with next round when we get to it. I think sigurd is still ahead and x and I are tied at 3.
If Xiahou is indeed mafia, and he's lynched this round, then what next?
Faust has found time to throw insults at Reenk, to pout and refuse to answer questions, yet he hasn't found time for the simple task of explaining more clearly why he voted Reenk. What's stopping him? What's wrong with my request for a more detailed discussion?
That's one less mafia we have to find later.
Why do you need more information about his vote if you think he's a townie?
GeneralHankerchief
02-21-2007, 03:42
Voting extended 17-18 hours due to -you guessed it!- real life.
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 03:43
It's not the time. I also don't see why you'd go for faust when Reenk hasn't discussed at all.
Because I'm itching for an excuse to vote Reenk, and I was hoping Faust would provide me with one.
Voting extended 17-18 hours due to -you guessed it!- real life.
Well that's a good thing.
CountArach
02-21-2007, 03:56
Because I'm itching for an excuse to vote Reenk, and I was hoping Faust would provide me with one.
Whya re you so itching to vote Reenk?
Pannonian
02-21-2007, 04:08
Whya re you so itching to vote Reenk?
Because I let him go early on in M5 when he was in trouble, and he reverted back to his strategy of staying away from attention and nearly brought the mafia to victory. Therefore I want him in the open as much as possible and talking, and as I've mentioned votes are the most effective way of forcing participation.
CountArach
02-21-2007, 04:11
Fair enough then.
Because I let him go early on in M5 when he was in trouble, and he reverted back to his strategy of staying away from attention and nearly brought the mafia to victory. Therefore I want him in the open as much as possible and talking, and as I've mentioned votes are the most effective way of forcing participation.
Then vote for him.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-21-2007, 04:22
Current Tally:
Crazed Rabbit = 1 (Stig)
Kommodus = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Faust|)
Sasaki Kojiro = 3 (Redleg, Reenk, Xiahou)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 3 (Andres, Pannonian, Seamus)
Xiahou = 3 (Ichigo, Sasaki, Sigurd)
Fasut| = 1,376 Die! Die! Die! Pan-man, stop trying to edit my posts.
It's a GAME folks! :rolleyes3:
CountArach
02-21-2007, 04:24
Alright, to break the tie:
Sigurd - I don't see anything abnormal with him here really
Sasaki - As above, jsut seems to be helping the town a bit
Xiahou - Seems not quite himself
Vote: Xiahou
Crazed Rabbit = 1 (Stig)
Kommodus = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Faust|)
Sasaki Kojiro = 3 (Redleg, Reenk, Xiahou)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 3 (Andres, Pannonian, Seamus)
Xiahou = 4 (Ichigo, Sasaki, Sigurd, CountArach)
Alright, to break the tie:
Sigurd - I don't see anything abnormal with him here really
Sasaki - As above, jsut seems to be helping the town a bit
Xiahou - Seems not quite himself
Vote: Xiahou
Crazed Rabbit = 1 (Stig)
Kommodus = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Faust|)
Sasaki Kojiro = 3 (Redleg, Reenk, Xiahou)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 3 (Andres, Pannonian, Seamus)
Xiahou = 4 (Ichigo, Sasaki, Sigurd, CountArach)
I have to wonder it your reading this thread.:inquisitive: How can you say you don't see anything abnormal?
ChuggtheSquirrel
02-21-2007, 04:39
I think Faust's suspicious... but maybe I'm missing something.
pevergreen
02-21-2007, 04:41
Everyone is suspicious. Its mafia.
ByzantineKnight
02-21-2007, 04:56
Everyone is suspicious. Its mafia.
:laugh4:
Vote: Xiahou
He seems to be unusually anxious to not get lynched...
Vote: Xiahou
He seems to be unusually anxious to not get lynched...
In all seriousness, whatever gave you that idea? All I've done is attacked Sasaki who in turn voted to lynch me. I haven't made any impassioned defenses of myself- I've only called out who I see as suspicious. I have no role to protect.
Of course Sasaki has thrown enough mud on me and enough townies are following him blindly that I've become a distraction from a real mafia hunt. That's unfortunate. Personally, I think Sasaki is guilty- if he's not, he's still hurting the town with his antics.
I've learned my lesson: when Grand Inquisitor Sasaki questions you- ignore him. Any sort of response at all will be taken as a confirmation of guilt if he so chooses. Response too short? You're hiding something. Too long? You're out of character/protecting a role. Just ignore him and he goes away. My mistake was actually bogging down in some sort of debate with him. :shame:
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