Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[CaesarAugustus]

Yeah, barbarians are right out. Dunno why we call it Asia ton Barbaron, really.:shrug:

Let's not forget EB's motto, Quisque est barbarus alio.:yes:

Are you guys still going to post previews and new infos on these threads, or should I look to your new forums for all future developments?

[Pharnakes]

We will try to keep this updated, but look in the forums if you want detailed info on how we are proceding.

[TWFanatic]

I see you've changed the forums up a bit. I like the new look. Maybe Admetos could create a banner sometime in the future.

[Malik of Sindh]

Were thinking of making Mauryans speak Sanskrit and have Parkrit names.This is done because of this:
1.Sanskrit is easier to find than Pali or Parkrit
2.Im a lithuanian,sanskrit comes from the same branch as baltic.Pali/Parkrit don't.I could help with some words.

Say what do you think of this.

[CaesarAugustus]

Personally I don't like that idea at all, but then again it doesn seem like a lot of work to translate, especially into Parkrit, so it is understandable why you would want to make it easier on yourselves. I can only suggest that you use Sanskrit for the Mauryans or even just sub in some other language (greek for example), since half the people playing this mod aren't going to understand the languages anyway. Then, in (the very distant) future builds, you can find youselves a linguist who can do Parkrit or Pali translations for you. I remember when this was the case for a lot of EB factions (didn't 0.8x Carhage speak Greek?). People will understand if you don't have every historicall accurate feature in the first release. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was EB, and AtB doesn't have to be either.

[Leão magno]

This thread is on fire, seems that we will have a great mod here!!! Just hoped I knew enough to make a Punic version of EB, it would be great!

[Malik of Sindh]

Personally I don't like that idea at all, but then again it doesn seem like a lot of work to translate, especially into Parkrit, so it is understandable why you would want to make it easier on yourselves. I can only suggest that you use Sanskrit for the Mauryans or even just sub in some other language (greek for example), since half the people playing this mod aren't going to understand the languages anyway. Then, in (the very distant) future builds, you can find youselves a linguist who can do Parkrit or Pali translations for you. I remember when this was the case for a lot of EB factions (didn't 0.8x Carhage speak Greek?). People will understand if you don't have every historicall accurate feature in the first release. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was EB, and AtB doesn't have to be either.
You sound like you want the mod to be released incomplete.I don't care how much it will take to translate languages or whatever,I want this mods beta to be good.I don't know what Pharnakes,Admetos or TWFanatic thinks though,maybe we will agree to your idea.
Or maybe my bad english made me think you sounded like this

[Admetos]

I'm not sure about the languages, I guess it's something we'll have to discuss, but I can assure you, the mod will not be released half done, even in a beta form, like we've always said, it's going to be EB quality. :yes:

[bovi]

Actually EB was released way before it was done. 0.7.2 wasn't exactly a polished piece.

[Admetos]

My mistake, the first version I played was 0.81 I think.

[CaesarAugustus]

You sound like you want the mod to be released incomplete.

Well, of course I would like it if the mod was released complete, I was just trying to be realisitc. I dont think any great total conversion mod has been released complete on the first version. Of course, feel free to release the mod as polished and feature-filled as you want (the more the better :yes: ), but people will understand if you do not have everything down to the last language in... EB didn't. Besides, it is a good thing to release betas; people playing can report bugs, etc.

Nice to see how ambitious and serious you guys are about this though, hmmm... maybe you should post the release date right now :hide:

On a related note, what do you have planned for music?

[Malik of Sindh]

Just look at how polished and complete BC will be.We haven't disscused the music yet.The release date is:Its done when its done.

[CaesarAugustus]

I'm sorry but what is BC?

[Malik of Sindh]

Its Brocen cresent.Now say happy birthday to me or we will not realese the mod.

[Admetos]

Release date!?!?!
:tomato: :tomato: :tomato:

:laugh4:

(Actually the estimated release date is 31th April 2008.)

[CaesarAugustus]

Its Brocen cresent.Now say happy birthday to me or we will not realese the mod.


Happy Birthday Malik! :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :birthday2:

That soon Admetos?

[Pharnakes]

Yup, guaranteed.

[bovi]

CaesarAugustus, that's really really late april. I mean, impossibly late april.

[Pharnakes]

Bovii!:furious3:


We were having fun...:embarassed:

Edit: I've lost count how many times you eb people have done that to us poor fans... ~:mecry:

[CaesarAugustus]

At the rate this mod seems to be developing I wouldn't be surprised to see the first release by late spring.... am I wrong?

[Malik of Sindh]

Rate?What rate?We haven't even started yet.we will start in one month.

Im expecting the mod in spring too.

[CaesarAugustus]

Well you guys have got your basics out of the way like..... uuuh.... mod name.... factions.... .... .... mod name.... Galatians....

That's some sort of progress rate for a two-week old mod.

[Malik of Sindh]

.... Galatians....
Hide,quickly!Pharnakes is coming!

[Admetos]

It's ok Malik, we'll summon the re-born again Darth Sidious.

[Malik of Sindh]

In my game I already killed him twice.He doesn't look good riht now,so we need another plan.

[Ossie The Great]

I have always been fasinated by the wars in the east and I am liking the sound of this, if ever anyhelp is needed u no where to find me, my skills include.

Modeling,
Coding,
2d Work, etc.

But of course my main prioties ly with Narnia ( long live aslan ).

[Admetos]

Indeed we do need help Ossie, we could use all of your skills, especially modeling.

[Ossie The Great]

Indeed we do need help Ossie, we could use all of your skills, especially modeling.

ok, but i must remind u i am leading a mod as well, so i can not be fully comitted but i will still give u as much help as i can . :grin:

P.S Is this announced at the twc

[geala]

A great idea. Just saw it this moment. But it's a pity that you did not move the mod a bit more to the east and added some south east Asian factions. Too many factions already known in EB.

[Pharnakes]

No, no matter how large this project becomes, it reamins a mini-mod for eb, not a completly new modification for RTW.

[Malik of Sindh]

A balloon for Admetos,since we finnaly started the 10th page.Its great to have your help Ossie.

[Admetos]

Thank you Malik, I shall add it to my sig straight away. :laugh4:

[Malik of Sindh]

First post updated with new map.The map still is a bit inaccurate,but Admetos will draw a better one when Pharnakes finishes his work.

[Pharnakes]

Me?

Whilst I acknowledge my sacred duty to exterminate all Galatians, I fail to see how my acheiving this will result in map. Or prehaps Ademtos' galatians stabed him in the back and stole his map?

Never fear, Ademtos, for I am here!

Expert Galatian exterminator ready to undertake the quest of the lost map!

[Malik of Sindh]

Thou have forgotten your real task.Thou shall make a map for tis' mod.

[Malik of Sindh]

Bump.

[mrtwisties]

Well, I feel like I've been doing my bit. I just killed a whole lotta Galatians.

[Folgore]

Great idea for a mod guys, I'll be sure to check out this thread regularly. :)

One question though - Do you plan on changing the existing factions in any way? (ie. Makedonia, Arche Seleukeia, Ptolemaioi, Pontos, Baktria, Pahlav, etc...)

[Admetos]

I shouldn't think there'd be any major changes, although there probably will be a few minor ones to bring the factions in line with our starting date.

[Malik of Sindh]

The mod will be started in 1-2 weeks.

[Chaotix]

Hello, everyone. This mod looks great, and I'll try it when you're finished, but for now:
I saw this on the first page, but didn't feel like sifting through 9 pages of writing to see if you guys had changed your mind. Why are the Romans going to have a western greek culture? It would probably work better if they had their own culture not only because it was historically accurate, but to increase tension between them and the makedonians. Also, around what time period and with how many stacks are you planning for them to emerge?

[Malik of Sindh]

No.No.No.This mod is focused on east so there will be no another culture for Romans.Romans wll emerge in waves if this is possible,and they are going to emerge in 220BC-160 BC.We are not sure about the stacks.

[White_eyes:D]

New to forums and i've been reading about this you might have already thought to make the romans just appear which would suck even though its
Asia, they still had a hold on some turf or shifted the power balance :inquisitive: . Heres a power balance idea it might make it harder idk since i've never scipted hordes before but if you would make romans appear
kinda like the Romana-British in bi it would work also, you would need to make them appear a few times in Greece,Asia minor,Egypt,etc. Im new but don't just throw my idea out the window unless its too much work and time because I love the idea and you have my full support this balloon:balloon2:.
Keep going thxs.:2thumbsup:

[TWFanatic]

Indeed.

The Roman incursion eastwards would probably be best represented by numerous scripted armies which appear on a predetermined, historically accurate date. But I believe this discussion won't take place for a little while

[Pharnakes]

It already has taken place, atleast provisonaly, and this is the idea we are going with.

[Dark_horse_spirit]

Hi,

WOW, I Love the map. I don't think a map this far east has ever been created before. It will be interesting to see. I wish you guys the best, like everyone else here hope to play it in the spring.

DHS

[Malik of Sindh]

Thanks for your support.We will do our best.

[KARTLOS]

Asia ton Barbaron
Asia ton Barbaron is a mod for EB, Featuring a map from Greece to Bengal.It will need Barbarian Invasion.Currently me, Admetos,TWFanatic and Pharnakes are creating this mod,Ossie the Great is our modeler, but we're looking for more people,especialy skinners. This mod will include at least 50 more regions in Asia, and lot of new factions. Our start date is 260 BC.Our forums:http://3rdshock.org/mod/index.php.
This is the map:
https://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5066/map51vo8.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Research:4%
Mod progress
Map 0%
Factions 0%
Units 0%
Scripts:0%
FACTION LIST
1. Kingdom of Macedon(Dark purple)
2. Kingdom of Pontus(Lighter purple)
3. Seleucid Empire(Silver)
4. Ptolemaic Empire(Yellow)
5. Satrapy of Bactria(Blue)
6. Kindom of Atropatene(Dark Red)
7. Hayasdan(Darkest Green)
8. Parthia(Hording possible)(Pink)
9. Saba(Dark orange)
10. Mauryan Empire(Tea green)
11. Pandya(Dark yellow)
12. Wusun Empire(Black)
13. Attalid Kingdom of Pergamon(Sky Blue)
14. Kingdom of cimmerian Bosphoran(Turquoise)
15. Kirat Nepal?Ethiopia?Something else?
16. Saka(Red)
17. Romans(emergent 220-160 BC)
18. Yuehzi(emergent 168 BC)
19. Kingdom of Cyrene(White)

The team currently needs:
A skinner
A historian on India

it appears to me that you are suggesting that the mauyran kindom controlled the entirity of india + northern sri lanka?

i dont believe that was the case, from what i recall there are some inscriptions and stuff in the south, but this is not generally interpreted as indicitave of mauryan control.

if you are still looking for factions, a south indian one would be useful for gameplay reasons, though i dont recall who might be suitable.

[Malik of Sindh]

Umm..No offense,but are you blind?Check the map again.Pandya owns southern india and northern shri lanka.

The map is a bit out of the date,Admetos will update it soon.The Gold used to be indo-greeks,but they are no more now.

[White_eyes:D]

Want to add that if you do do that don't make them into horde mode again for romans it would just be annoying :furious3: if you toke there last city and they start running around with 3 stacks wreaking havoc across Asia minor and possibly futher east:sweatdrop:.

[Malik of Sindh]

We haven't disscused the Roman invasions yet.The suggestions we really want are the new 2 factions.

[KARTLOS]

Umm..No offense,but are you blind?Check the map again.Pandya owns southern india and northern shri lanka.

The map is a bit out of the date,Admetos will update it soon.The Gold used to be indo-greeks,but they are no more now.

thats why i said it appears to me!

that colour deffinately looks like a shade of green to me, as i couldnt see any other greens in the list i thought it was a continuation of the "tea" green.

[CaesarAugustus]

They look similar to me too, you might want to consider switching the colours of one of India's factions, unless in the actual game they will appear more like the Aedui and Arverni.

[Malik of Sindh]

Updated the first post with list of team members.

[icydawgfish]

Umm..No offense,but are you blind?Check the map again.Pandya owns southern india and northern shri lanka.

um...It's pretty hard to see that as they look almsot the same when put right next to each other.

[Malik of Sindh]

Blame admetos for the map.I have nothing to do with it.

[White_eyes:D]

two new factions east? try and give some ideas and im sure ppl will comment on it unless you have none......which then im a little nervous:sweatdrop:

[Malik of Sindh]

We have none.We already disscused Ethiopians,and they aren't going to be included.I personaly thin we shold leave the last faction slot for shadow faction for seleucids.The other slot should be used for Kirat Nepal.

[Hound of Ulster]

A thought just occured to me!:idea2: Why not use one of the free faction slots for Han China, as the Han empire was involved in the region the map covers from about 180 B.C onwards. Have them be emergant just like the Romans, but only with certain conditions. Say the faction in what is now Tibet gets knocked out any time after 210 B.C, then the Han would 'emerge' unto the map to defend thier southern flank.

[Malik of Sindh]

...No.I am completely against a chinese faction.They are simply too far off the map,unplayable,and they would need a whole bunch of new units,which we can't do because we have no skinner.

[White_eyes:D]

Shadow faction......sounds like fun:smash:

[Malik of Sindh]

Pharnakes just want expand his Atropatene while the Seleucids crumble.Its not that I have anything agianst it though.

[Frodge]

Sorry to back track abit chaps but wheres this map? :embarassed:

[Admetos]

The first post is always a good place to look.

EDIT: Thanks to the mod who changed the name of the thread. :2thumbsup:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Han China would be -I think- a bad choice for a number of reasons:
-how to portray them even close to accurate... (map, units, animations, formations, models, balance...);
-you need to dig through the current trait code and not to add your own stuff but mostly to remove some Pahalava features related to a diplomacy event (the arrival of a Han envoy at your court);
-you need another culture slot. (And you need to implement a lot of unique stuff for them to make it 'work'.)

[Hound of Ulster]

It was just a thought.

Oh well.

[Pharnakes]

Yeah, thanks for posting in a resonible and polite fashion.

Sorry, but China is just not going to happen. The only way a mod could posibly even begin to give China the coverage it deserve would be to have a mod foucused solely on them. TBH, I am rather suprised there hasn't allready been a mod, or has one lived and died without my noticing?

[White_eyes:D]

There is one but its not done I installed it and EB was really messed up, for instance Cotta famliy ALL had ASIA or STEPPE faces:furious3: ,also go with Shadow faction cause it sounds good:smash:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Sorry, but China is just not going to happen. The only way a mod could posibly even begin to give China the coverage it deserve would be to have a mod foucused solely on them. TBH, I am rather suprised there hasn't allready been a mod, or has one lived and died without my noticing?

There's been at least one of them about the Warring States. Somewhere in the vaults of the ORG by now I guess.

[Marcus Publius]

Han China would be -I think- a bad choice for a number of reasons:
-how to portray them even close to accurate... (map, units, animations, formations, models, balance...);
-you need to dig through the current trait code and not to add your own stuff but mostly to remove some Pahalava features related to a diplomacy event (the arrival of a Han envoy at your court);
-you need another culture slot. (And you need to implement a lot of unique stuff for them to make it 'work'.)

i agree with you 100%

[Thaatu]

Illuminati and Bartix.




What?

[Malik of Sindh]

We can't include Bartix because theres no way to make have settlements in the sea.Its not possible to put them in URanus too.

[White_eyes:D]

Have you guys taken ANY ideas from ppls comments??? cause it seems like one of those 'What do you guys think?' not 'which faction do you suggest?',ppl are throwing ideas out there but no idea if your even thinking there good and not a waste of time:sweatdrop: .
I love the idea of shadow faction of AS,use that.

[Malik of Sindh]

Read all pages from this thread.You will see we are taking lots of ideas from people that post here.

[Admetos]

Also I might add that we don't just use ideas because we like them, we choose ideas in mind of historical accuracy and also game balance. If that means a shadow faction then so be it, but we're not just going to include it because you say you love it and demand it be in. I find your tone a bit offensive aswell, we'd appreciate it next time if you voiced your opinions politely, instead of just blatantly accusing our team of ignoring what people have to say, when in fact we take into account every idea that's posted on here.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I never heard of the Illuminati (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1758246&postcount=321) as a historical faction though. It would be real cool if you from AtB could turn them into a faction with fully functional unit roster et all so as to elighten me further! :yes:

[White_eyes:D]

Also I might add that we don't just use ideas because we like them, we choose ideas in mind of historical accuracy and also game balance. If that means a shadow faction then so be it, but we're not just going to include it because you say you love it and demand it be in. I find your tone a bit offensive aswell, we'd appreciate it next time if you voiced your opinions politely, instead of just blatantly accusing our team of ignoring what people have to say, when in fact we take into account every idea that's posted on here.

Well I don't mean it to offend you.:sweatdrop: it was more of a question if you used any ideas??:hide:

[Vorian]

Nice mod everyone!

I have a question and a suggestion.

Why is Cyrene so important? It was not very influential, just a colony and nothing in front of the Ptolemies. I don't think it deserves to be a faction and could never realistically achieve much.

And the suggestion: I understand why KH was cut off (even though I hate it:furious3: ) but I think you should do something like great unrest in the cities to accurately represent the Greek cities. After all, the Macedonians never managed to pacify all of Greece and were fighting the Aitolians and Achaeans until they were defeated by the Romans.

[Malik of Sindh]

We are having problems with choosing last factions,and now you suggest removing an existing one?

By the way,I think you underestimate Cyrene.It had a quite nice campaing against Ptolies going,the campaing was stoped because natives rebeled in Cyrene.

[Vorian]

We are having problems with choosing last factions,and now you suggest removing an existing one?

By the way,I think you underestimate Cyrene.It had a quite nice campaing against Ptolies going,the campaing was stoped because natives rebeled in Cyrene.


LOL. Well, I didn't suggest you remove it. Just the reason for having it. I would love it if you could provide me with more info about it, cause from a quick search I didn't find it anymore than a nuisance for the Ptolies.

And about the last factions, I still think that KH should be in, along with Getai.

[Malik of Sindh]

Minor map update in the first post.Indo-greeks removed.

[Admetos]

We're not including the Getai as we're completely scrapping the barbarian culture and trying to include as least western factions as possible, thus increasing our focus on the east (after all, that is the intention of the mod).

[Vorian]

It could create problems though, since the Maks would unrealistically go north since there will be only rebels there to oppose them. Well I guess you guys will figure it out.

And I suppose I will quit from the KH case:surrender2:


Anyway I am really looking forward to this:2thumbsup:

[Malik of Sindh]

Ther will be three provinces which will work in the same way as Sahara province.One in Himalayas,second in the Steppes,third in south africa.So,no Maks in the steppes.

https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7043/unpassableyv9.th.jpg (https://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unpassableyv9.jpg)
A little map by Pharnakes.The provinces are hard to see,but they are visible.

[Vorian]

Ther will be three provinces which will work in the same way as Sahara province.One in Himalayas,second in the Steppes,third in south africa.So,no Maks in the steppes.

https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7043/unpassableyv9.th.jpg (https://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unpassableyv9.jpg)
A little map by Pharnakes.The provinces are hard to see,but they are visible.


Good to know.
You should really think about the unrest thing in south Greece btw.

[Malik of Sindh]

Of course,we will think of something to make southern Greece harder to hold.

[Athkara]

Hi, I saw the thread for this mod in the twc forums and noticed you're including the Yuehzi (Yuezhi in modern Pinyin). I mainly study Chinese history, and there are several Chinese historical texts which discuss the Yuezhi; if you want a historian for the Yuezhi I'd be happy to do research on them. After all, now that I'm in college I have more free time than I know what to do with.:laugh4:

From what I can remember, the chinese souces on the Yuezhi come from a series of embassorial missions that Han Wudi sent west around 130 BC that reached as far as the coast of Syria. Anyways, about the Yuezhi, Han Wudi attempted to form an alliance with them against the Xiongnu; but discovered that most of the Yuezhi had fled west and conqured Baktria after the Shan-yu of the Xiongnu killed their king and made a cup out of his skull. Here the Yuezhi who fled west are called the DaYuezhi (big Yuezhi) and the ones who stayed behind, the XiaoYuezhi (small Yuezhi).

I'd also be happy to help out for Wusun.:book:

[Malik of Sindh]

Thank you,your welcome to join.

[Athkara]

Another point about the Yuezhi, since the map will include the Tarim basin, I don't think it's necessary for the Yuezhi to be an emergent faction. Before the Yuezhi were displaced by the Xiongnu, the Tarim basin was their homeland:

According to Wiki:
"The first known reference to the Yuezhi was made in 645 BC by the Chinese Guan Zhong in his Guanzi 管子(Guanzi Essays: 73: 78: 80: 81). The dates of this book are disputed however, and it may date to as late as 1st century BCE.[8] The book described the Yuzhi 禺氏, or Niuzhi 牛氏, as a people from the north-west who supplied jade to the Chinese from the nearby mountains of Yuzhi 禺氏 at Gansu."

This would place the Yuezhi around the eastern edge of the Tarim basin and the Gansu corridor. This claim makes sense since the later Chinese records state that the XiaoYuezhi, who didn't flee west after being defeated by the Xiongnu, mostly fled south to the Qiang tribes -- who were located essentially directly south of the Gansu corridor.

Thus I think it would be fair to give the Yuezhi a starting territory on the eastern edge of the map right about where you have the Wusun extending into the Tarim basin.:book:

I suppose we could include a script to simulate their later flight west and conquest of Baktria...

Also on the subject, according to Wiki:

"As they settled in Bactria from around 125 BCE, the Yuezhi became Hellenized to some degree, as suggested by their adoption of the Greek alphabet and by some remaining coins, minted in the style of the Greco-Bactrian kings, with the text in Greek."

I guess this could be used as the basis for possible reforms for the Yuezhi after they conqure Baktria; enableing them to build some Greco styled buildins and mabye units.:yes:

I'll try to find some more substantive sources later.

[Ossie The Great]

Wow, the map is starting to look very nice indeed.
Whenever u need my help just pm me

[Malik of Sindh]

We will probably start in a week.Ill pm you when we start.

[Malik of Sindh]

Nabateia added to the list of factions.

[Constantine the Great]

I have access to a very large library of history books that covers just about everything, so I could probably help it as a researcher if you need me.

[Horst Nordfink]

Is there a reasonable ETA for this? And will you be able to play EB and AtB on the same computer?

[Tellos Athenaios]

For the first: I don't know, am not a team member, but given the apparent workload they've choosen... if they wish to keep up EB style & depth it might very well take them a very, very long time. Of course I don't quite know what they have got in store for us...
For the second: yes, probably, yes.

[Admetos]

We've got absolutely no idea when we'll release, we haven't started anything yet, but that'll change soon.

Yeah, you should be able to play EB and AtB on the same computer, it hasn't been discussed but I guess we'll use a mod folder like EB does at the moment.

[TWFanatic]

Wow, the map is starting to look very nice indeed.
Whenever u need my help just pm me
Same here. I'm sorry there isn't more I can help you guys with now, but if I can do anything let me know.

[Pharnakes]

Is there a reasonable ETA for this? And will you be able to play EB and AtB on the same computer?


Doubt it :tongue2:

And of course you will be able to play it on the same computer!

Wether or not you will be able to play it out of the same vannila folder, well its far to early to say, but you should be able to.

Everyone else: Thank you all, we'll be sure to give you an unreasonably high workload very soon.

[TWFanatic]

Well thanks for quelling my worries on that issue.:whip:

[Malik of Sindh]

Today Pharnakes got his new comp,and we should be starting next week.

Some more news,Yuehzi playable.

[Malik of Sindh]

Major map update,in the first post.

[CaesarAugustus]

A small request: please don't make Cyrene white, it will be confused with Carthage.

[Malik of Sindh]

A small request: please don't make Cyrene white, it will be confused with Carthage.
Carthage isn't even on the map,how could anyone confuse it with Cyrene?

[CaesarAugustus]

Maybe I'm just being picky, but it looks like Cyrene is just a fragment of the Carthaginian empire, especially since most of the people playing it will be coming straght from EB.

[Wolfman]

Cyrene=Greek Colony. Carthage=Phoenician colony. To Seperate cultures. i don't think people will think about it to much.

[Moosemanmoo]

It's great to see the east getting it's fair share of attention

Although I'd prefer to see this huge geographic boost in EB, y'know with western and northern europe and africa, but hell I want the world:laugh4:

kudos and good luck:2thumbsup:

[Admetos]

Thanks for the support Moosemanmoo. :2thumbsup:

[Son of Perun]

As AtB team decided not to add the last faction until the first beta, I would have a little request for the team members. I'm thinking of a minimod for AtB that would add Nubia as a faction(as the whole AtB team said in factions thread that it won't be in). I guess I would be able to make such mod myself or maybe with help of a few people. The thing is that I would need at least 3-4 more cities in that area, preferably Kerma, Napata and Aswan(Swenet), to make Nubia a playable faction. Otherwise it would be too weak and immediately destroyed by the Ptolemies. Of course I don't know whether you have enough provinces to spare, but it would be very kind and appreciated by all Nubia fans if you add them. :2thumbsup:

[Athkara]

Well, I'm doing some work outlining provences, and I've estimated that we'll have enough free slots to add about 5 more cities to most all the areas already depictied on the EB map and still have more than enough for the new areas. So I don't see a problem with adding those cities.:yes:

[gamegeek2]

I'd be glad to help stats, etc. Just to lift some work off ur back. I can do my own research but would like to get some supplied, too...

I could also research, but I'm limited to the Web and libraries for the most part...

[Malik of Sindh]

I and Admetos decided to let you join. Pharnakes is currentily a bit... inactive.

Welcome to the team.

BTW, people pay attention to my sig.All people who want to join should pm me.

[svramj]

I can join you guys. can work on Mauryans and Pandyans....

[Malik of Sindh]

You mean research? Or units or whatever? Please be more clear, what are your modding or historian skills? Or do you want to research for us?

[IndianPrince]

Im so eager for the release of this mod. It will definitely be on the top OF MY MOD LIST :D

gr8 job guys !!!

P.S - I can help with the research for the Mauryas & Pandyas. So if u want help please feel free to ask. Im not busy now cuz of the holidays but once school starts again i'll be busy as hell as im in grade 12 :(

Prince

[svramj]

You mean research? Or units or whatever? Please be more clear, what are your modding or historian skills? Or do you want to research for us?
Well I can provide with History, Units for both the Indian Factions. Also Indian Names for both Factions

[Malik of Sindh]

You are welcome to the team. Pm me with your msn adress.

[Malik of Sindh]

Some progress on units has been made.

Were slowly moving.

:balloon2: :balloon: :balloon3: - for Admetos.

[Athkara]

Yeah, conceptual-progress -- if that's what you call it...:applause:

[Malik of Sindh]

We decided to post the best Pandyan unit. Keep a pair of clean pants next to you.
Gadhaikonda Porr Yaanai-Pandyan elite elephants
https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9579/pandyanelephantzy7.jpg

[Visitor13]

Nice armoured heffalump :yes:

[Mouzafphaerre]

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:laugh4:
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[Andronikos]

We've got absolutely no idea when we'll release, we haven't started anything yet, but that'll change soon.

Yeah, you should be able to play EB and AtB on the same computer, it hasn't been discussed but I guess we'll use a mod folder like EB does at the moment.

You will be playing EB2 on M2TW and AtB on Rome.
I wish this mod success.
I would like to do something too, at least research, but now my duties don't allow me to do anything more. :study: I will post when I will be free.
Elephant - :elephant: :birthday2:

[Admetos]

Thanks for the support Diadoch. :2thumbsup:

Thanks for the offer, anyone who can help with research is always welcome.

[CaesarAugustus]

Nice elephant. :2thumbsup:

[svramj]

the mod is coming up well and good

[Uranos]

That elephant looks pretty cool :2thumbsup:

[Chaotix]

Oh, by the way, guys, for the uninhabitable provinces you talked about, (the steppes, himalayas, and desert) i think you can make them all one province to save room for more cities. The standard EB did this in 1.0 for the Sahara and Arabia- they're both part of the province Eremos.

I've also got a suggestion for a new faction: how about the Kingdom of Meroe in the levant? They could mix things up for the Ptolemies and Saba

[Admetos]

Oh, by the way, guys, for the uninhabitable provinces you talked about, (the steppes, himalayas, and desert) i think you can make them all one province to save room for more cities. The standard EB did this in 1.0 for the Sahara and Arabia- they're both part of the province Eremos.I always assumed this is what we were doing.


I've also got a suggestion for a new faction: how about the Kingdom of Meroe in the levant?No.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Everybody knows the last faction is Galatia. ~;p
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[TWFanatic]

Woah!!! How'd you get that giant mace in the elephants trunk? Is there an animation to go along with it? This I've got to see.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Woah!!! How'd you get that giant mace in the elephants trunk? Is there an animation to go along with it? This I've got to see.
Finally somebody else realized it. :wall:
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[Malik of Sindh]

Woah!!! How'd you get that giant mace in the elephants trunk? Is there an animation to go along with it? This I've got to see.
Svramj says it was very easy. Theres no animation yet.

[svramj]

Woah!!! How'd you get that giant mace in the elephants trunk? Is there an animation to go along with it? This I've got to see.


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Finally somebody else realized it. :wall:
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Just attached the same way we attach a weapon to a units hand bone. Thanks to Publius of the RTR team (TWC) for helping me here. I will surly implement and animation If I learn animating soon. I also have such thoughts but currently i know nothing on animating

[Malik of Sindh]

From now on, the minimod forums are closed.

[Admetos]

Not that anyone ever went there apart from members...

[Mouzafphaerre]

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I'd registered there I believe. :shame:
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[CaesarAugustus]

I went and lurked there, but nothing really came up...

Have you guys thought about asking for your own subforum at the Org? Surely you dont plan to continue all of your updates in this one small thread?

[TWFanatic]

Do what the EB team does: periodically release previews and updates. Maybe we'll even get a sticky if we're really nice. ;)

[Admetos]

Not that anyone ever went there apart from members...

I'd registered there I believe.
We had a grand total five members that weren't on the team... With no-one who I recognised from the Guild.

I went and lurked there, but nothing really came up...We had quite alot of activity in the private section.

[Mouzafphaerre]

We had a grand total five members that weren't on the team... With no-one who I recognised from the Guild.
We had quite alot of activity in the private section.
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Then I just bookmarked. :shame:
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[Malik of Sindh]

Do what the EB team does: periodically release previews and updates. Maybe we'll even get a sticky if we're really nice. ;)
I guess we'll have to post the previews in this thread, and then leave links to the preview posts in the first post. As soon as the pandyan/ mauryan and maybe satavahanan(Not yet decided f we should include them, they would emergent, 230 bc) units are finished we will post a preview.

[Athkara]

Here's a little preview of the AtB map for everyone. Over the past few days I've practiced a bit of mapping, and this is the result.

-Before anyone asks, I used the recent Middle Earth: Total War content release as the base for this small bit of map I've made because it was convienent. So don't pay any attention to the faction icons.:quiet:

The Pamir Mountains with a portion of the Hymalayas to the south:
-Depicting Kang, Alaxandreia-Eschate, Maracanda, Ferghana, Shulei, and Tashikuergan

https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8903/ferghana1ebkp1.jpg

https://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7527/ferghana2ebcf4.jpg

And some closeups:

Ferghana
https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7532/ferghanacloseebxl3.jpg

Shulei and Tashikuergan
https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7418/shuleicloseebqn7.jpg

Note that the actual map isn't going to end at Shulei, it'll extend quite a bit further.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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:2thumbsup:
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[keravnos]

Great map. I don't know the lay of the map, but if there are provinces available in your direction, I would have this proposal.

Split Baktria into 3 provinces.

The one that is right now, "Baktria" with Baktra as its capital, another "North Baktria" with "Thermai" as its capital...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termez

for some better info, the map in .pdf form,
http://ximebenj.club.fr/doc%20PDF/Carte-de-la-Bactriane-du-nord.pdf

and a bit further to the west, in Russian this time (Termez is on the bottom)
http://ximebenj.club.fr/doc%20PDF/Surkhan%20Darya%20Russe.pdf


and another one "East Baktria" with Alexandria Oxiane, aka "Ai Khanoum" as its capital.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_Khanoum

These are my suggestions on the part of the Map I see. Historically Baktria was dubbed "land of a thousand cities". The ones I mentioned are the ones we are pretty certain of names and locations. As they did indeed existed on a different "county" as that of Baktra (see affixed map), they do deserve their own provinces.

http://ximebenj.club.fr/index.htm

Thank you for all the great work!

[Maksimus]

Excellent work!

note: I follow this thread all the time.. :curtain:

[Athkara]

That's some great info keravnos, and I'm minded to accept your proposal. Since we're planning to add more cities over the existing regions in order to fill up all 199 slots. If you've got anymore ideas for central Asia, or at this point, anywhere else on our map, I'd love to hear them.:book:

-Maps are very useful.

[Ossie The Great]

Just attached the same way we attach a weapon to a units hand bone. Thanks to Publius of the RTR team (TWC) for helping me here. I will surly implement and animation If I learn animating soon. I also have such thoughts but currently i know nothing on animating

Erm, i do not think a new animation is needed as the elphant will work fine without it . :cowboy: .

Also i know a bit on animation and could help out if needed for any of the units .

[Calypze]

Hello, I found this thread today (I practically never look into the EB unofficial modding projects section), and I think it's a great idea you have there. Will the mod be historically focused the way EB is?

As for the free slot, I think you should either add a Sarmatian tribe or Nubia. I'm inclining towards the former.

Do you have any idea when the mod will be out?

[Admetos]

We are trying to stay as close to EB as possible, so yes, we will be as historical as possible.

As for a new faction, we don't want to include a Sarmation faction as this is already in EB and we want to include a many new factions as we can. We won't be including a Nubian faction. It would just be an archer/spearman faction.

Not a clue when we'll release - work has only just really started.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Why don't you guys ask Tosa for a dedicated hosted mod forum, with your secret "AtBH", your own mods and all? :inquisitive:
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[keravnos]

That's some great info keravnos, and I'm minded to accept your proposal. Since we're planning to add more cities over the existing regions in order to fill up all 199 slots. If you've got anymore ideas for central Asia, or at this point, anywhere else on our map, I'd love to hear them.:book:

-Maps are very useful.

Ok, will try to provide as many maps as I can.

[svramj]

Excellent work!

note: I follow this thread all the time.. :curtain:

Thanks Maksimus, we are almost near finishing the Mauryan and Pandyan units, you may soon have a preview. so keep following this thread as you do now

[keravnos]

Ancient maps, a lot of them...188 to be exact.
http://files.filefront.com/MapsAncientWorldrar/;9400597;/fileinfo.html

as seen in here...
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=10209&sid=273179992af01abd09be869a7170e63b

HoplitesMores is the man! :2thumbsup:

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Κεραύνε, εσί ο ένας άγγελος είσαι. :bow:
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[Athkara]

Great find! I'll download them as soon as I get back to my dorm.:yes:

[antiochus epiphanes]

We decided to post the best Pandyan unit. Keep a pair of clean pants next to you.
Gadhaikonda Porr Yaanai-Pandyan elite elephants
https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9579/pandyanelephantzy7.jpg
very impressive there:2thumbsup:

[LordofUmbar]

Great job on the map and the elephant guys. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your work.:yes:

[keravnos]

Dian kingdom would be too far away, and out of the map...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dian_Kingdom

Still, maybe a unit or something else, an ancilliary perhaps can be created.

[Athkara]

Thanks, I already know all about Dian Guo; Han Wudi conqured the area in hopes of establishing a southern route through to India so they could send their envoys to the Yuezhi and other factions in central Asia that way and avoid the constant harrasment of the Xiongnu in the north. Didn't work out though because there were still other hostile peoples further south, barring a safe way to India.

Don't worry though, Dian Guo will be represented, in a way...:yes:

[svramj]

we have got some info on TWC look at that too

[svramj]

Keep watching guys, the Mauryan, Pandyan Preview will be out pretty soon

[-sKy-]

:smash: I hope you release the first version in abouth 4 months when the big holidays start :2thumbsup:

*wanna play some indians*

[svramj]

:smash: I hope you release the first version in abouth 4 months when the big holidays start :2thumbsup:

*wanna play some indians*


You sure will enjoy the mod, we'll have 2 (or 3, yet to be confirmed) Indian factions in the game. you get elephants at your disposal to crumble the Hellenic nations

[Eufarius]

crazy A$$ elephants!

[svramj]

That elephant has been hugely updated, even better now. Guys pls wait for the preview.

[Bactron]

Wow, Elephant unit look pretty impressive, the map could be amazing and this whole sub-mod looks very promising. Greco-Baktrian kingdom is my favorite EB faction so this mod sounds really wonderful to my ears.

[Pezlu]

This mod looks promising, and the elephants are so awesome that I would keep the focus on them if they were in the enemy army, instead of paying attention to the battle :beam:

--

Also, I have one crazy suggestion: you have a free faction slot, right? What about using it like RTR VII?

Pasted from the thread on TWCenter:
20. Counter faction (or Secondary faction)
This is THE main feature of 7.0 (after the map, the new scripts and BI). I'd think most people here havent heard of the "unlimited faction" concept. It's rather simple. You have 19 base factions (18 in our case), and batch files, that change the txt files, and turn the empty slot in whatever faction we please. Due to our campaign system in 7.0 (which is explained below), we will change this slot to a faction that had a significant impact in the base faction.

So if you play as:
Rome
You'll face the Roman rebels. The roman rebels represent the senate (more info on that once we can get a Roman preview up and running), slave rebelions, gladiatorial uprisings, or any kind of rebelion that may happen. It will also be used to simulate civil wars. They will obviously not be playable.

Aedui
You'll have to fight the Arveni for supremacy in Gaul. They are playable.

Suebii
You'll struggle with the Chatti. They are playable.

Getae
You'll face the Bastarnae. They are playable.

Ardiaei
You'll meet the Aetolian league. They are playable.

Epirus
You'll encounter Syracuse as an organized faction. They are playable.

Seleucids
You'll have to deal with the Seleucid pretenders. The pretenders will trigger a civil war. They will obviously not be playable.

Pontus
You'll face Pergamon. They are playable.

Armenia
You'll have to fight with Iberia (the caucasian one, not spain). They are playable.

Parthia
You'll have to deal with Persian Rebels. They represent the Persian nobility that used to rebel every once in while in the Parthian Empire. They'll trigger civil wars. They will obviously not be playable.

Bactria
You'll struggle with the Sakae. They are playable.

Ptolemaics
You'll encounter the Egyptian rebels. They will obviously not be playable.

Achaeans
You'll face the mighty of Sparta. They are playable.

Sarmatians
You'll meet the Roxolani. They are playable.

Tribus Massylii
You'll eventually see the rise of Mauretania. They are playable.

Celtiberi
You'll face the Lusitanians. They are playable.

Antigonids
You'll have to fight the Galatians (the ones that stayed in Greece). They are playable.

Carthage
You'll face the carthaginian rebels. They'll be used to represent a number of revolts, such as mercenary rebelions, libyan revolts, senate, civil wars. They will obviously not be playable.

Basically you enable different factions using a batch file that changes the various txts. Most of this "optional factions" are playable as well.

To me this looks like a great and innovative concept; after all you rarely face all the factions in a single campaign, either because you don't go that far or because some of them die before you reach them. So, having 19 factions + 1 that varies but that you will fight for sure (their territories are near yours) is slightly better, right?

The problem? It will need more work. If you make the various counter-factions by using only "generic units" you won't have that much to do, however.
Also, if you DON'T use generic units but make new ones, they'll obviously count against the hardcoded limits.

The main advatage is that you could concentrate on mayor factions only, and make minor factions that can be "enabled at will" by the player.
For example, you could make Atropatene a counter-faction; if I want to play them or another nearby faction, I enable them; otherwise I enable something else that interests me more.

Maybe it's just not doable, I honestly don't know... maybe it can't be made compatible with the background script, for example.

Just thinking aloud, but it would be a cool feature IMO

EDIT: If this doesn't make sense, just ignore me. I was a bit excited after reading about that feature and imagining it in EB :P

[Admetos]

It would be extremely cool, and I'd love to do it. But I think we've already got enough work...

[Pezlu]

It would be extremely cool, and I'd love to do it. But I think we've already got enough work...

Ok, I thought so. But your mod is great as it is, looking forward to it (and to the preview) :2thumbsup:

[Admetos]

I hate to put a dampener on things, but a preview really isn't as close as svramj has been suggesting. In fact, in my opinion, it's quite a while off.

[-sKy-]

I hate to put a dampener on things, but a preview really isn't as close as svramj has been suggesting. In fact, in my opinion, it's quite a while off.

:oops: But i hoped soooo much to see a preview of at least one faction soon...

Well, doesn´t matter, don´t speed up, most important is quality! :2thumbsup:

[svramj]

I hate to put a dampener on things, but a preview really isn't as close as svramj has been suggesting. In fact, in my opinion, it's quite a while off.surly not too close, It will take a while, just alerting you guys of the planed preview

[keravnos]

Another map of India.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/AlexanderIndiaMap.jpg

and another city that should deffinitely be in as a province...

Peukela/Pushkalavati
(in Paropamisadai, instead of the capital it now has)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peucela

I hope you don't mind me suggesting things.
Best of luck.

Thermai I suggested earlier should be either "Tarmita" or "Antiocheia Tarmita". This is how Ancient writers call it. Checked.

[svramj]

Another map of India.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/AlexanderIndiaMap.jpg
and another city that should deffinitely be in as a province...
Peukela/Pushkalavati
(in Paropamisadai, instead of the capital it now has)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peucela
I hope you don't mind me suggesting things.
Best of luck.
Thermai I suggested earlier should be either "Tarmita" or "Antiocheia Tarmita". This is how Ancient writers call it. Checked.

Thanks a lot Karavnos, could you get us more south towards India ? :help:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

http://www.india-history.com/ancient-india/ashoka-empire.html

http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=ancienthistory&cdn=education&tm=59&gps=86_193_1020_642&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.fsmitha.com/h1/map14ind.htm

http://www.4to40.com/images/discoverindia/ancient_indian_costume/mauryan_sunga_period/mauryan_sunga_empires_map_big.gif

Best that I could find:7blacksmith:

[Athkara]

While everyone waits for a faction preview, here's a few more pics from the map...:beam:

The Tarim Basin:

https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/880/eb1zr6.jpg

https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6651/eb2rl9.jpg

https://img408.imageshack.us/img408/971/eb3qm2.jpg

The Amu Darya (Oxus) River:

https://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4616/eb4lj7.jpg

The Indus River:

https://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1971/eb5vg9.jpg

...Some researchers (OK, maybe only me) beleive that if you stare at these images long enough, without blinking or moving your eyes, you'll be able to explore our map while you're asleep; or maybe your eyes will just get hurt. But either way it's fun for someone...:yes:

[CaesarAugustus]

Wow, this is great! No pressure of course, but we the fans love to see updates like this! :whip:

Thanks for the maps, can't wait to add the Tarim basin to my Mauryan Empire! :beam:

[Athkara]

Ha! I'd like to see you even try marching your armies up their through all the mountains...:juggle2:

[Geoffrey S]

Smart work. Looking forward to seeing the first faction previews.

[svramj]

guys we are preparing unit previews now. But plz don't ask 'when will it be out ?'. we will let you know that soon.....

[Admetos]

But plz don't ask 'when will it be out ?'. we will let you know that soon.....
We will?

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

We will?
I hope you will...

[Admetos]

It's far too early to put a date on anything at the moment.

[Athkara]

Yeah, dates and timeframes aren't cool enough for us... they just make people (like us maybe -- we're people too, I think) all :dizzy2: and :furious3:. Don't you know, we're all about trying to stay happy (:juggle2::whip:)?

[Eufarius]

I agree. Btw how you been mate?

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

A question to bump this thread: For the Yuehzi, will you use the old units from 0.7 or will you create new ones for AtB?

[Admetos]

I can't say we've given that much thought, seeing as we're focusing on the Indian factions at the moment. I'd guess we'd use a mix of the two, but where can we find a copy of 0.7 now?

[Athkara]

At the moment I'm assuming we'll use the existing Yuezhi units, but I haven't seen them yet so I don't know if we'll use all of them. The Yuezhi will defenatly have new units as well.

[Danzifuge]

nice work guys. too bad there's a faction limit. i would include the epirote, aetolian and achaean leagues. i like that you included pergamon. at least the macedonians have a challenge now. i'd also push that bithynia be included. they remained independent before and after alexander's reign until 74 b.c. and were notably larger than the newformed kingdom of pontus, created a year prior to the campagin's start date. also it would be really interesting to see hannibal appear as a general in bithynia somewhere around 190-183 b.c. (if thats possible)

[Visitor13]

Probably a very belated suggestion, but Roma Surrectum 1.5 includes the Bosphoran Kingdom, maybe it'd be a good idea to get in touch with the RS team?

[keravnos]

Some maps on the Baktria, Sogdian regions, Paropamisadae. Hopefully they can lead to some more territories for Baktria and the surrounding regions, aka Marakanda etc...

The maps are in Greek, So I will transliterate the greek text into english and then post the present day name so that both the map creator (if AtB chooses to include some of the regions that I will post) and those who are interested can follow the maps.

Greek name -> Transliterated name -> Present day name

ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕΙΑ ΕΣΧΑΤΗ-> Alexandreia Eschate -> Khodjent
ΚΥΡΟΠΟΛΙΣ-> Kyropolis -> Uratube (W.W. Tarn's opinion)
ΜΑΡΑΚΑΝΔΑ-> Marakanda -> Samarkand
ΠΟΛΥΤΙΜΗΤΟΣ ΠΟΤΑΜΟΣ -> Polytimetos river ->Zerafshan river
ΝΑΥΤΑΚΑ-> Nautaka ->Shahr-i Sabz
ΞΕΝΙΠΠΑ-> Xenippa ->Erkurgan
ΤΡΥΒΑΚΤΡΑ->Trybaktra ->Either Bukhara or very near it.
ΦΡΑΤΡΑ-> Fratra -> Ferabr
ΠΕΤΡΑ ΣΟΓΔΙΑΝΗΣ-> Petra Sogdianes (Sogdian Rock) ->Akrabad
ΠΕΤΡΑ ΟΞΥΑΡΤΟΥ-> Petra Oxyartou (Oxyartes Rock) ->Kyrk-Kyz
ΠΕΤΡΑ ΧΟΡΙΗΝΗΣ-> Petra Chorienes (Choriene Rock) ->Dushanbe
ΠΑΝΔΟΧΕΙΟΝ-> Pandocheion -> Kampyr Tepe
ΤΑΡΜΙΤΑ-> Tarmita -> Termez
ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕΙΑ ΒΑΚΤΡΙΑΝΗ-> Alexandreia Baktriana ->Andhkoi
ΒΑΚΤΡΑ-> Baktra -> Balkh (very near Mazar-i-sharif)
ΑΟΡΝΟΣ-> Aornos -> Tashkurgan
ΑΡΑΨΑΚΑ-> Arapsaka -> Qunduz
ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕΙΑ ΩΞΕΙΑΝΗ -> Alexandreia Oxeiane ->Ai Khanoum



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https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/PIC_1625.jpg

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/PIC_1626.jpg

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/PIC_1627.jpg

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/PIC_1628.jpg

This is a map of what Baktria, along with Marakanda and Alexandreia Eschate were like for the duration of Alexandros campaigns, and the time in which Seleukeides, and then Baktrian kingdom controled the region, aka up until 140 BCE or environs.

I think that this map can help you read your Arrian, especially Alexanders' 3 years in Baktria and Sogdia that much easier.

@AtB team and mappers, I hope you can take this chance to flesh up Baktria as realisticaly as possible. Thanks again for a valiant effort!

[Admetos]

@Keravnos - Wow. Thanks alot for the great info

@Visitor13 - We have thought about this, be we never came to a decision. Thanks for bringing it back up.

[Emperor Burakuku]

Congrats guys and keep up the good work! :)

[Admetos]

Thanks for the support Emperor.

[Visitor13]

For those here that would like to be able to play as Galatia and might have missed this - there is a very good mod out there that features our favourite Asia Minor Gauls as a playable faction.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86638

[Pranas]

Hey Guys, your superb project is awesome, totally radicall, there aren't much mods with asia, and I enjoy playing non europe mods. I encourage you to do your mega-best, in order to create a master piece.

Also, I want to ask, if I may join into team. (I'm a young mapper, so I need more experience), even if my help isn't needed, may I observe map editing, to gain knowlegde about mapping.

P.S.
Keep up the good work.
Let The Perkunas Help ya all! :3

[Alexandros Maximus]

Hey, i posted a thread about including the Battle of Sogdiana in 36 BC to EB 2.

They said it most likely is not going to be added in, so i was wondering, could it be done with AtB?????

[Malik of Sindh]

Hey Guys, your superb project is awesome, totally radicall, there aren't much mods with asia, and I enjoy playing non europe mods. I encourage you to do your mega-best, in order to create a master piece.

Also, I want to ask, if I may join into team. (I'm a young mapper, so I need more experience), even if my help isn't needed, may I observe map editing, to gain knowlegde about mapping.

P.S.
Keep up the good work.
Let The Perkunas Help ya all! :3
Thank you for your support. I don't think we need more mappers right now, but I'll speak to the rest of the team about that later.


Hey, i posted a thread about including the Battle of Sogdiana in 36 BC to EB 2.

They said it most likely is not going to be added in, so i was wondering, could it be done with AtB?????
I'm not sure. Maybe when we have finished some more of the mod we will consider this.

[gamegeek2]

Hey guys, where are you on the forums?

FYI, 4 those who don't know, I'm in charge of Bosporas and Nabataea, plz offer suggestions.

[Admetos]

Is there any chance a mod could delete the link in gamegeek's last post?

[gamegeek2]

@ other devs: Sorry, just trying to generate interest. It's gone now, my bad.

Mappers are always welcome, but we really need more skinners/modelers, we only have 1 or 2 right now (I think).

[gamegeek2]

Is everyone on break? Funny, my spring break was a while ago

[svramj]

guys get back to business, for those who do not know pre-peform Mauryans and Pandyans are over.

[Admetos]

Huh?

[Malik of Sindh]

I think he meant all pre-reform mauryan and pandyan units are finished.

And that we should stop being lazy.

I think.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

I think he meant all pre-reform mauryan and pandyan units are finished.
Does it means the preview is coming up?:beam:

[Malik of Sindh]

Maybe, maybe not :beam:

[keravnos]

A map of IndoGreek /and other cities around Taxila region (or Taksashila).

Hoping your mapper can make use of that.
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/gandara_map2.gif

[Malik of Sindh]

Thanks for all the support keravnos, these maps are very helpful.

[svramj]

A map of IndoGreek /and other cities around Taxila region (or Taksashila).

Hoping your mapper can make use of that.
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/gandara_map2.gif

our great thanks Keravnos, one request, can we add your name in the credits ?

[keravnos]

Of course!

On that map, I forgot to mention that the cities in white aka Kabul, Peshawar, etc are contemporary cities that are put there to enable easier location of the ancient sites.

[Malik of Sindh]

All Pandyan, Mauryan and Indian AOR units are finished. Expect a preview pretty soon :beam:

[Malik of Sindh]

Hey all AtB fans! We have something for you. We decided to show you 5 units we created, so you don't get spoiled. :D.

Here you see some troops from all over India, from south to north.We have much more for you. We'll post it someday later :D


Mauryan:
Ksatriya Dhanavihna (Mauryan Early Longbowmen)

https://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9879/ksatriyaarchemauryanuq7.png

No more slow tribals' bows for us! We now utilize a nice wooden bow, a "recurved" longbow. Now we can shoot our arrows just as well as before, but far faster. Just give the word, and a hail of death will fall upon your target. We also carry swords, but these are for making quick work of weak enemies or as a last resort; we are no Yodha swordsmen.

The Indian longbow was a fearsome, tall weapon, comparative in size to what the English developed later on. However, significant differences exist between these men and their medieval counterparts; while the Anglo-Welsh longbow came from the relatively rare yew tree, the Indian one came from bamboo, making it cheaper. However, this longbow was too slow, so the Mauryans developed a wooden bow that retained the old bow's range and penetration capabilities while greatly increasing firepower capabilities. However, it is no match for the later English bow; the best Anglo-Welsh longbowmen could shoot 12 arrows a minute accurately at a range of 300 meters.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Ksatriya Yodha (Mauryan Swordsmen)

https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2279/ksatriyaswordsmenmauryane9.png

Hail, Rajan! The young from the professional Ksatriya class, we form the backbone of your army, along with the Kuntabhata spearmen. After the archers have done their job or are forced to retire, send us in as an iron fist to sweep aside your foes, with our elders (the Kuntabhata) watching our flanks and back. Utilize us at the head of your PadmaVuhya (lotus) formation, for we are some of your finest infantry. As proud Ksatriyas, we wear Kavcha (metal armour) and a long, thick turban. Our tool of killing is a fine Aari longsword, while our off-hand bears a tough Thada (shield).

Historically, the Yodha came from the younger Ksatriyas, who were more eager, imptetuous, and invigorated in battle, as opposed to the Kuntabhata, who came from the elder Ksatriyas and were more disciplined and defensive. This difference is notably similar to the Romans' system: Hastati/Principes 'legionary' infantry came from younger men, while the Triarii hoplitai/heavy spearmen came from the elder, battle-hardened veterans.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Mauryan Sainika (Mauryan Levy)
https://img172.imageshack.us/img172/917/ksatriyalevimauryansf0.png

In times of foreign invasion and civil disorder it is difficult to keep the populace (and battlefront) in line with a lower number of men, no matter their or their general's skill. In time when numbers matter, the old and weak retire and the [untrained] able men among the Ksatriyas are called to arms. The veterans among them consider this as another chance to win glory in battle and/or death in their King's name. Lacking proper equipment, these men equip themselves with hunting weapons and other low quality or handmade war gear. They carry a light bamboo spear, a bamboo longbow, and a wooden shield. Though they are of poor quality, they make up for this in energy and lust for glory. Still, these men are not true soldiers, and should be used for archery and nothing more.

The Indian longbow was a fearsome, tall weapon, comparative in size to what the English developed later on. However, significant differences exist between these men and their medieval counterparts; while the Anglo-Welsh longbow came from the relatively rare yew tree, the Indian one came from bamboo, making it cheaper. However, this longbow was too slow, so the Mauryans developed a wooden bow that retained the old bow's range and penetration capabilities while greatly increasing firepower capabilities. However, it is no match for the later English bow; the best Anglo-Welsh longbowmen could shoot 12 arrows a minute accurately at a range of 300 meters. These longbowmen are equipped with the old-style bamboo longbow, meaning they are cheaper but not really as effective.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Pandyan:

Sathriya Ieetipadai (Pandyan Spearmen)

https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6427/ksatriyaspearmenpandyanye2.png

Hail, Arasan! We are your battle-hardened veteran spearmen, drawn from more elder Ksatriyas, and work in tandem with the almost-hyperactive Yodha swordsmen to form the backbone of your (and any good Indian commander's) army. Use us as flank-guards, advance guards for the archers, and behind the swordsmen in case any foe (especially horsemen) should get the better of them. We are the spearhead (quite literally) of the Chakraviyuha (impenetrable wheel) formation, and roll over outnumbered foes in this way. As proud Sathriyans, we wear Kavasam (metal armour) and a helmet. As our vel (spear) delivers death, our tough Kedayam (shield) blocks any foolish attempt to harm us.

Among the four different types of armies in India are the superior Sathriyans. They are very similar (culture-wise) to the Vedic Ksatriyas, such as those prominent in the Mauryan Empire, despite mostly being Dravidian and not Indo-Aryan. These men are born to the disciplined warrior-caste governed by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra, whose teachings were translated as Sanskrit became dialectized, much like Vulgar Latin. Sathriyans were also trained in sreni but what differentiated them from their normal sreni counterparts was their caste. Sathriyans were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Southern India AOR:
Thazhvar Sirupadai (Indian Tribal Sicklemen)
https://img248.imageshack.us/img248/949/tribesicklemenvy1.png
The Dravidian Hindu tribes were fearsome warriors in their own way. They used the Aruvaazh (or Sickle), A single sided heavy sword. They inhabited through out south Indian in the regions. They wore no armor much like the North Indian tribes. These men are more spiritual and fanatic hence are very war like in nature. Their attitude gives them tirelessness and ferociousness in battle.

Historically, Tribe leader king Erumayooran commanded most number of these men. He allied with the Cheras and fought thge Pandyans when Pandyans were lead by a 16 year old King Pandiyan Nedunchezhiyan. Cheras and the Erumayoor tribe and 5 other tribes thought the young Pandyan king in-capable of leading a battle and attacked the capital Madurai. But the Young king who knew the plans of these tribes and the Chera King was prepared and won the Battle against the mighty army that was lead by 7 generals Chera king, Erumayoor king and 5 other tribe leaders. This was the beginning of the Pandyan conquest and these tribes men who were challenging in their Initial expansion were later subjected to their cause.

All units, unit names and unit descriptions are WIP unless stated. They could and probably will receive small changes

We hope you enjoyed this preview. Expect more previews in the future.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

This is awesome! I can't wait to see more!:drummer:

[svramj]

expect more in the future guys......and our map is getting ready on a fast pace now

[Bactron]

These units are amazing, really great job guys!

[Malik of Sindh]

Believe me, you will see much better units in future previews :beam:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Believe me, you will see much better units in future previews :beam:
I hope they're not too far...

[Malik of Sindh]

They are already finished. But we will only post them after a few more previews.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Nice work guys. :2thumbsup:

[Malik of Sindh]

Nice work guys. :2thumbsup:
Thank you for your support Marcus.

[Uranos]

The units look great :2thumbsup:


btw. have you guys considered using some of Prom's units?:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138262

[Admetos]

Thanks for the support Uranos. I think we have talked about, and we may in fact be using some already. Not 100% sure though. I'm sure svramj will be able to say.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Thanks for the support Uranos. I think we have talked about, and we may in fact be using some already. Not 100% sure though. I'm sure svramj will be able to say.
Well if you used them, I hope that you at least reskin them.

[soibean]

great looking units so far

[Khazar_Dahvos]

great preview!!!! looking forward to the completion of this mod guys!!!!!:beam:

[svramj]

The units look great :2thumbsup:

btw. have you guys considered using some of Prom's units?:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138262

We are already using some of Prome's units with his permission. But not all. We have done most of our units with EB units as base. Prome's units look bit larger than EB most EB units. so we considered making most of them our own. We have used a unit or 2 from Prome, that we will preview soon.

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

Wow!

Those units look great!
Maybe I should check the AtB-thread more often!

Way to go, guys!

[gamegeek2]

Sorry, we are being really damn lazy right now. Guyz, there hasn't been a post for days on the forum...

[Ayce]

Sorry for being lazy and not checking what has been discussed, but on the first page, I see the faction list has 1 free slot, have you decided who are you going to use as a 20th faction, or at least if it will be European, Asia or African?

[Malik of Sindh]

It'll be Satavahana. I forgot to edit it in the first post:shame: . Satavahana will be playable in a provincial campaing and it will be emergent in the main campaing.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

BTW, Baktria will start off with one provence like in 1.1 right? (if so than the map in the first post should be changed)

[Admetos]

Our start date is different to EB's (260 BC), so I' guessing the starting provinces probably will be different. And that really is guessing by the way, I'm not sure of what it will be.

[Visitor13]

Really good looking units you have there, well-suited to the EB aesthetic.

Also, good to see Satavahana included, though I still fear Maurya's just gonna steamroll everyone... at least until it gets to the Ptolies.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Well historicly Baktria emerged in 250 bc so I don't think the starting date matter in their case.
Personally I think they should start off with one province.

[Admetos]

Exactly what I've been saying since we first decided to have them...

[ziegenpeter]

I didn't have the time to read all the posts. Just one question: Doesn't it make more sense to have NO emerging factions, because after one turn in game you change history, and you can never know if this power had done it to a proper faction.
PLUS: You have more playable factions...

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Only Rome is emerging

[keravnos]

Amazing progress, congrats! :yes:

As a form of "Thank you" for doing this,
This is what Alexandreia Oxiane must have looked like according to CGI recreation done by some Japanese

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos2/ai_khanoum_3dreconstructionofthecit.jpg

--anyone who knows more about them, and the CGI reconstruction of Ai Khanoum please let us know--

another great pic from them,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/BaktriaOxeianeTheatron.jpg

and here is Ai Khanoum now, after years of neglect, Taliban destruction and "looters galore" that happens in places where people have nothing to eat and hope that anything they can scavenge can give them something, anything to make a difference in their lives,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos6/AiKhanoumnow.jpg

The pic above is also one of the reasons why I am here doing this.

[Belisarius12]

i regret that you don't focus on europe anymore

[Mediolanicus]

i regret that you don't focus on europe anymore

I regret that you don't give reasons for what you say.

[Bactron]

Hi guys. I know that you have some units on the store - so I would like to ask - please, please could you release some unit pictures?

We won't get spoiled, I promise!
I am so excited about this sub-mod. And I need something to drool over.

(and besides: it's mother's day today, and I as a mother of two deserve some present!:beam: )

[Belisarius12]

sorry thought this was eb2 wrong thread

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Hi guys. I know that you have some units on the store - so I would like to ask - please, please could you release some unit pictures?
Seconded that. Please give us some pics... ;_;


(and besides: it's mother's day today, and I as a mother of two deserve some present!:beam: )
Do you recall yourself as a women? Lol, there are no girls on the internet, and women are even less likely.~:doh:

[paullus]

congrats on getting out that first unit preview, I hadn't seen that until now. Good luck with other stuff, I'll be interested to see what your map looks like.

[Malik of Sindh]

Expect another preview today evening or tommorow :yes: .

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Expect another preview today evening or tommorow :yes: .
Yay! Can't wait:applause:

[Admetos]

Hello all AtB fans!

It's been a while since the last preview, and seeing as you guys are being so patient, we've got another one for you. As with the last one, we've decided to show you some of the units we've been working on. Enjoy!


Maurya

Ksipati Ksatriya (Ksatriya Javelineer)

https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/703/ksatriyalatejavelneermaly7.png

No longer can we rely on tribals alone to do skirmishing work for the Empire; us Ksatriyas now fill those roles. Our arms carry several heavy javelins that double as shortspears, weapons we have quickly become familiar and skilled with. They lack the range of the bamboo javelins of the tribals, but they have much more penetrating power and melee capability. Though we by no means intend to fight in melee, we have a breastplate to protect us in case we are caught by light or medium horsemen, and we are quite capable against our lighter counterparts. Heavier troops will surely spell our doom if we are caught by them; it is best for us to retreat behind the main line after our skirmishing job is done.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.


Pratradhaka Ksatriya (Ksatriya Heavy Spearmen)

https://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2359/ksatriyalatespearmenmaurm7.png

Indo-Greeks, Sathavahanan, and others have forced change in our old tactics. Now we fight with overhand spears like the Yavanas; our new weapon-system, coupled with a Zirastraana helmet and Kavcha (with modified shoulder pads now attached to the arms), and a longsword for aggressive fighting, makes us some of your most versatile troops. Nor are we green; all among us are older, experienced veterans, as can be seen by our mastery of both spear and sword; we should be rightfully considered an elite among Ksatriyas, worth every coin we are paid.

Like before the reforms, spearmen are recruited from the older, more experienced Ksatriyas, who make up for vigor with confidence and many years of practice and warfare. The Pratradhaka are at least partially influenced by Alakchandra's hypaspistai (and other Hellenic/Yavana infantry) given their overhand spears, the combination of this with a longsword, and the helmet was almost certainly based off of Indo-Greek models. Eventually, even they did not matter as the Mauryan kingdom was ended by a military coup in 185 BCE, and this weakened the defense of the Khyber Pass. Pressured by the Saka, the Indo-Greeks poured through the pass five years later and established the Indo-Greek kingdom there, until that too was overrun by Saka between 80 BCE and 20 CE.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.


Pandya

Sathriya Kuthraipadai (Pandyan Auxiliary Melee Cavalry)

https://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5043/ksatriyamountedswordsmenf9.png

What foolish light soldier dares approach our army? A dead light soldier! We ride down such fools, utilizing our Vaazh longswords in both pursuit and protracted melee, as we specialize at both. But we are no Yodha swordsmen; our unarmoured horses, despite their (or any horse's) endurance and hardiness, lack our metal protection, and as such are vulnerable to weapons, as they are a much easier target than we are. Though brave we may be, we are not suicidal and nor are our mounts; we dare not charge any formed heavy infantry, especially one featuring polearms. As proud Sathriyans, we wear Kavasam (metal armour) and a helmet. Our tool of killing is a fine Vaazh longsword, while our off-hand bears a tough Kedayam (shield) and the reins.

Among the four different types of armies in India are the superior Sathriyans. They are very similar (culture-wise) to the Vedic Ksatriyas, such as those prominent in the Mauryan Empire, despite mostly being Dravidian and not Indo-Aryan. These men are born to the disciplined warrior-caste governed by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra, whose teachings were translated as Sanskrit became dialectized, much like Vulgar Latin. Sathriyans were also trained in sreni but what differentiated them from their normal sreni counterparts was their caste. Sathriyans were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Sathriya Velkonda Kuthraipadai

https://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5793/ksatriyamountedspearmenmk8.png

Our lances are at your service, Arasan. Know well that your flanks are safe as long as we guard them, and we can hold them in melee for some time. We deliver a fierce charge to enemy cavalry and infantry flanks, and rout foolish light troops with ease. Yet we are no cataphracts or Yavana "Hetairos" cavalry; we cannot handle prepared spearmen. As proud Sathriyans, we wear Kavasam (metal armour) and a helmet. Our tools of killing are a lance and a fine Vaazh longsword, while our off-hand bears a tough Kedayam (shield) and the reins. Our mounts are also armoured at the front for greater effectiveness in a charge, to somewhat help against defenders.

Among the four different types of armies in India are the superior Sathriyans. They are very similar (culture-wise) to the Vedic Ksatriyas, such as those prominent in the Mauryan Empire, despite mostly being Dravidian and not Indo-Aryan. These men are born to the disciplined warrior-caste governed by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra, whose teachings were translated as Sanskrit became dialectized, much like Vulgar Latin. Sathriyans were also trained in sreni but what differentiated them from their normal sreni counterparts was their caste. Sathriyans were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.


Regional Units

Thazhvaar Vetaiyarpadai (Indian Tribal Hunters)
https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7405/tribesouthbowmenda9.png
Much like the Northern Pattiyodha's, these are some good long-bowmen or even better longbowmen. What differed them from the Pattiyodha's was their weekness in close fighting. These are treditional hunters and are not well expertized in fighting men. but can strike their arrows just better than anyone could.

Historically, Many minor groups of hunting tribes that wandered around places in south India who needed a permanent place to settle and some means of better livelihood offered their service to Kings and other greater tribes.

Thazhvaar Iettiyerivarpadai (Indian Tribal Javelneers)
https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5002/javelneertribepi5.png
Much like the northern Ksipathika's these were skirmishers. But had a slight difference. One is their language, these spoke tamil, telugu or tulu. while the northern counter-parts spoke sanskrit or pali. Second, men such as these where hardened hill men who can fight better on close than their northern counter-parts not because of equipments but experience.

Historically these were more employed by the Pallava kingdom that existed north of the Chola kingdom. Fought many battles against the Pandyans aiding the Cholas. Later fought under the Pandyas after the Cholas were defeated and subjected under the Pandyas.


Once again, all units are WIP and probably will receive changes.


We hope you enjoyed this preview. Expect more in the near future.

[Admetos]

@ziegenpeter - Yeah, as Leviathon said, only Rome is emergent. In an ideal world, we'd perfer not to include the Romans and have another new faction, but it's a little difficult to represent the history of the areas we share with the EB map around the Mediterranean without them.

@keravnos - Wow. Truly breath taking to see a full 3d model of the city in that detail. Thanks again for the continued support.

@paullus - Thanks for the support. Keep your eyes peeled for more information on the map, I think we're getting close to the stage we might be able to do a small preview on it...

I'd edit this into my above post, but I'd like to keep the preview seperate.

[socal_infidel]

This looks fantastic! Can't wait! As a fan of the Eastern factions (can't stand the factions west of the Bosporus), this looks great. Plus the Mauryan Empire. Very nice, indeed.

Out of curiosity, is the map based off of EB's map with extensions added to the east, western portions excised. Or is it all new?

Also, you should roll the previews into the first post - maybe add links to the preview posts in the first one?

Congrats again!

cheers,
s_i