Bodyguards upkeep

Hi



I was just wondering why you (modteam) decided on not having an upkeep for the Bodyguard unts?

And if it was intentionel to let the Spartan bodyguard have an upkeep?

Cheers

Your Royal family is rich enough to pay for their own personal bodyguards.

There is no Spartan bodyguard. The starting (and only the starting) KH spartan characters do have a normal Spartan unit assigned to them by the campaign script, but this is not really a bodyguard unit.

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Originally Posted by Mediolanicus

Your Royal family is rich enough to pay for their own personal bodyguards.

There is no Spartan bodyguard. The starting (and only the starting) KH spartan characters do have a normal Spartan unit assigned to them by the campaign script, but this is not really a bodyguard unit.

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And the scripted mercenary Spartan general in the Punic Wars event, nope?

Because you already pay 200 mnai per family member regardless of the bodyguard cost. In the economy scroll this is categorized under wages, not army upkeep.

Pretty sure whathisname, Xanthippos?, has a bunch of Spartans as his retinue in the same fashion as the starting KH Spartiate FMs.

Anyways, all FMs actually cost a lump sum as "salary" (ca. 200 mnai IIRC) which can probably be assumed to cover the assorted costs of the high living such aristocrats engage in by default and the drain this incurs on the finances of the realm. Their bodyguard units are more like their personal followers attracted by their wealth and influence (covered by the influence trait) and personal efforts and whatnots (modifiers to the "personal security" score from traits, ancillaries etc. also affect the number of men), and are assumed to be covered by their personal finances.

EDIT: Dang, Ludens beat me to it. "If it wasn't for you meddling kids..."

Some of the Seleukid generals have Babylonian spearmen bodyguards as well.

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Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin

Some of the Seleukid generals have Babylonian spearmen bodyguards as well.

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But they aren't Family Members, are they?

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Originally Posted by Ludens

Because you already pay 200 mnai per family member regardless of the bodyguard cost. In the economy scroll this is categorized under wages, not army upkeep.

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You say for each family member - does that include women (wifes, widowes and daughters) and children?

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Valhal

You say for each family member - does that include women (wifes, widowes and daughters) and children?

Cheers

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Of course not, you fool.

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Originally Posted by Mediolanicus

There is no Spartan bodyguard. The starting (and only the starting) KH spartan characters do have a normal Spartan unit assigned to them by the campaign script, but this is not really a bodyguard unit.

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Ohh.. had hoped that it was the "spartan" trait that decided what kind of units the "bodyguard was.
So my future generations of spartan FM could kick some persian ass at some point :smash:

Is it possible to change the script so that the spartan trait gives you the spartan as bodyguards?

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Valhal

Ohh.. had hoped that it was the "spartan" trait that decided what kind of units the "bodyguard was.
So my future generations of spartan FM could kick some persian ass at some point :smash:

Is it possible to change the script so that the spartan trait gives you the spartan as bodyguards?

Cheers

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I don't think so. Otherwise the EB Team would have already done so. Or there'd be a mini-mod for it.

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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

Of course not, you fool.

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Hey dude. A simple "No" would suffice!
Unless you are just in the mood for being rude!

My reason for asking this question was that in the overview menu - where it states the number of family members you have - it includes everybody (Men, women and children).

I became aware only yesterday of the the 200 minarie cost for family members.
So didnt know if this was related to the total number of family members or only the "MALE ADULT MEMBERS"

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Originally Posted by Valhal

Hey dude. A simple "No" would suffice!
Unless ur just in the mood for being rude!

Reason for asking this. Is that in the overview menu where it states the number of family members you have - it counts everybody - Men, women and children.

So didn't know about 200 cost for family members until yesterday and if it was related to the "total number" as seen in the overview menu or only the "MALE ADULT MEMBERS"

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My apologies, bro; it's difficult reading your broken English. Please re-phrase your post as to make it more understandable to the common eye.

Only the grown males are officially important, and there is no Spartan faction.

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Only the grown males are officially important, and there is no Spartan faction.

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Yeah, the women and children are worthless so invaluable as to be deemed priceless.

In all reality, they only give you a chance at getting a good commander, which you already have if they managed to live enough to breed.

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

In all reality, they only give you a chance at getting a good commander, which you already have if they managed to live enough to breed.

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Which is a priceless ability. Provided they're hot, of course.

Oh definitely. Even if that fat, bald Roman I get is S/C/V (Somehow) I will always condemn him to a life managing some backwater like Arpi. Meanwhile, the D/U/L guy with the magnificent helmet will always get Syrakousai, no matter how low the other generals think of him.

I think Somatophylakes Strategou or even Epilektoi Hoplitai are awesome and alot more nice then the spartans to use as body guard. Spartans are way to overrated and are best killed with javelins...:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by dake

I think Somatophylakes Strategou or even Epilektoi Hoplitai are awesome and alot more nice then the spartans to use as body guard. Spartans are way to overrated and are best killed with javelins...:dizzy2:

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So true, who wants Spartans when you can have Makedonians?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

So true, who wants Spartans when you can have Makedonians?:inquisitive:

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I Mod the spartans so they had 2 Hp..... and much more exspensive... but at least with that, KH (in my opinion) didn't suffer several economical downturn, as their 3 starting Spartans could defeat anyone dares to approach them without overwhelming Makedonian elites....

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

So true, who wants Spartans when you can have Makedonians?:inquisitive:

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Who wants Makedonians when you can have Amazons? Priorities people, priorities.

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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

But they aren't Family Members, are they?

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I'm pretty sure they have to be family members. Otherwise they'd have Eastern Merc General or Hellenic Generals's bodyguards instead. At least AFAIK. Also I believe they show up in the family tree. Would have to look at my Seleukid campaign again.

What i don't understand is why client Rulers/allied generals have such a high upkeep.

I'm took their province for fun and profit.Not to just break even on paying their salary.

Because client rulers have ordinary units as their bodyguards. Only FM bodyguards don't have an upkeep.

Because having a client kingdom just isn't lucarative as holding the lands yourself.
Actually, you haven't taken there lands at all; so no fun, nor profit.

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Who wants Makedonians when you can have Amazons? Priorities people, priorities.

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Who wants Amazons when you have Lesbos? Ohh wait, it doesn't beat anything.