Do you notice where the flaw in your argumentation is?! ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zett
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Do you notice where the flaw in your argumentation is?! ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zett
Could you please make your conversation about the density of hoplite units somewhere else?
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The Hellenes of the sweboz. They are actually very strong as line infantery and I once had 2 of them holding back an entire army trying to fall in my back while I was rushing to an Aedui town center.
The density even regard Sweboz units, but yeah thats in another tread.
The Sweboz is one of my favorite factions, those Pikemen are great. Their spearmen and swordsmen were also able to form a shieldwall. :2thumbsup:
The only bad thing about the Sweboz units is their weakness for missles, they will drop like flies when faced with missles. (or at least my cherusci units did when faced with cretans in multiplayer)
Those Illirian are surprisingly good, specially bacuase of being "levies". Almost like celtic axemen but just level 1 regional MIC, good defence/armor (better than gaeros), available almost to every faction and decent recruitment area.:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zett
No misile is their only downside.
Well yeah, the sweboz are somehow the developing nation of EB and therefore they have very few armored troops.
This guys are really tough... I had a huge battle against the Sweboz as the aedui, i had 2300 men, while they had 3500 with 3 units of these... The battle was long but thanks to my uber faction leader who led the army i won quite convincigly, since none of my units routed... I thought i already won the battle when i routed most of the enemy army, and let my units chase them... Suddenly i saw that 2 units of these pikemen performed a last stadn, an killed many, many of my gaelaiche...Quote:
Originally Posted by ziegenpeter
By the time i got reinforcments that were around the map, these pikemen killed almost my entire right flank, and it took a charge of my general plus fresh solduros to make them rout...
I will never underestimate them again:yes:
That is odd, I always slaughtered those pikemen with ease. They are slightly tougher, but their armour is nothing special. Average-Good, according to my classifications. Too bad they do not have the pike phalanx formation, as for now they are weaker than they were, or at least not as realistic IMHO, as their pikes do nothing to hold back anyone. My units just passed through them.
The real Sweboz miracle are these chaps:
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Before them, I never thought the AP attribute was so strong, save for the slingers. These warriors caused the most casualties among my elite stacks that blitzed Germania in four turns, despite them having the strongest AI army in my campaign. They were VERY surprisingly good, much more effective than any axemen I have encountered, despite having much lower armour. Perhaps higher lethality, although in real battles, clubs were not as effective as a small axe or a gladius. The club requires too much room and strength to swing, while a shortsword and a large shield would be the most effective IMHO.
A comment on the Maure infantry (see p.3 for their previous mention in this thread). I noticed them tearing a big chunk out of my Polybian Principes one on one, which surprised the heck out of me since in a previous battle a Principe maniple scored a 724 to 30 kill ratio against basically every other North African unit, and I'd figured the Maure would fare no better. They lost, of course, but taking 50-odd Romans with them was unexpected.
Turns out the Maure have Celtic longswords (0.225 lethality). The unit description makes no mention of such a thing, so I wonder if that's correct, or if they're supposed to have normal 0.1-0.13 lethality swords and someone forgot to edit the EDU? If the 0.225 lethality is correct, then Maure are a hidden gem of a flanker unit!
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Pezoi Brettioi (Bruttian Infantry)
I tried out these in my Romani campaign as a Auxilla unit to supplement my samnites, they look equipped simular to my Hasati and seem would go well with the legions... but every time I gave them a chance they gave less then steller results, its not because they routed easily, on the contrary, they last to about 6 men before routing, but the thing is, they get to that number REALLY EASY, I'm pretty sure a unit of lugoae could best them they suck that much.
re: Pezoi Brettioi
Are you playing on VH battle setting...?
In my KH campaigns they serve as really good flankers. Don't use them for holding the main line - their formation is too loose for that. Run them around and behind the enemy. They have great stamina and when they attack the enemy from behind, they can be real killing machines. With Lugoae it is simple: one on one and from the front against a unit of L. in def-mode, yes, they might lose. But from behind or in close, chaotic melee with no defend mode, they will slaughter them. Think of them as more melee-oriented Peltastai.
I only play Medium battle difficulty, VH is for metagamers. :p
Honestly though I used them like expendable manipules, they may be good for flanking but the battles they were used in required soldiers who could take punishment and they just weren't up to the job.
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Phalangitai Deuteroi. That's the unit I love in my Mac campaign. They can do wonders if used properly, can hold the line against nearly everything but the heaviest cavalry tanks, and even when the formation is disrupted they still can hold their own against most low level units. Of course they die like flies when flanked by infantry killers or elites, but they aren't meant to be used that way. Even when they get into some not so nice position, they usually last long enough to bring reinforcements.
Yeah they are pretty good. Those guys with a couple units of hoplitai haploi to protect their flanks are a cheap but effective anvil for the early Mak army. Add a couple of units of cavalry ( two family members work great) to provide the Hammer and you shouldn't need to upgrade your infantry for a long time. For example in my Mak campaign, VH/M, I have conquered Illyria, Epirus, Koinon Hellenon, and am now waging a war against Pontos. I have already destroyed three stacks of Pontic armies with my veteran Phalangitai Deuteroi based army. These troops, when used properly, are easily as good as Pezhetaroi. I can't see myself replacing them any time soon.
Pantodapoi Phalangites are even better than those guys.
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AP axes let them survive REAL long in combat, even when flanked.
im sorry call me a nub or w/e but were in the hell is the Boii homeland were this unit is recruitable????Quote:
Originally Posted by heldelance
i've employed these troops as mercs but id like to know were i can recruit them as regulars into my army?
sorry for the double post but i agree with u those Phalangites are my army in my AARQuote:
Originally Posted by A Very Super Market
Check the recruitment viewer - Ak Ink, Singidunum, Vindobona, two further territories in the area north of Illyria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husker98
thanks im away from my gaming computer so i couldnt check......im at work lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nachtmeister
The Dacian archers are not half bad, either!
That's funny because in a game today, my Alae Imperitoria walked up to 2 of them and didn't take any casualties.
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Dorkim Leebi-Feenikim Aloophim
In my Qarthadast campaign, these guys have proven to be extremely useful for flanking and crushing the Ptolemaic phalanxes from behind. The downside is that they can't hold a line and take many casualties, although they are described as phalanx spearmen.
They take casualties???
In my romani campain one silver chevron units of them killed 2principes and one pedites extraordinari with 1 to 2 chevrons... :help:
But i guess I had bad luck, when I played Karthago they were useless. :juggle2:
Has anyone fought dacian elite skirmisher in forests by now? They rock :whip:
Husker: They're recruitable from most of the towns immediately west of Sarmigethuza. Need level 3 I think.
Dacian archers, the first ones you get are okay in the beginning, low range and damage make them fall out of use pretty quickly though. The second ones, elite archers are much better but their cost is monstrous. Just use the Scythian foot archers instead. The only difference between the two is that the elites are able to hold their own in C.C. but using ANY archers in c.c is a bad idea. If you can get them, Bosphoran archers are cheaper and are just as good.
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These guys are awesome, in this multiplayer game I had I just had 20 of em. I was losing everywhere but there charges saved the day and they just wouldn't die(only 5 of them or something died) or rout. I really underestimated them! :2thumbsup:
Also, their unit description says that they never lost in any battle in which they were in, I gues that still holds.
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These guys also won me that battle, they took extremely heavy losses yet they fought on and protected my few phalangites from the back.
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I expected them to be very bad but they holded my flank very well against Roman legionairries.
I wouldn't call Cataphracts "surprisingly" good, just good. A running slab of metal with a spear sticking out of it is always going to be awesome.
Baktrian Late Bodyguard is the best Kataphract in the game.
Indeed, now if they just had as many man as the Late Parthian catas...
Catas aren't surprisingly good. They are unsurprisingly invincible (if utilized and supported propperly).
Get on Hamachi Tolg, lets paly a game:).
I've found them to be just as capable in a line as Carthage's other spears/infantry; even in smaller units, their armour is a great help. Then again, these are the troopers you want on the flanks, as you say, to surprise those blasted phalangites while they attempt to chew on your heavies or Africans.Quote:
Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane
Just one unit of these cataphracts(just 20 men) basicly won me the battle, I never really thought for them to be that good. The best cavalry!:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onehandstan