unvote woad&fangs.
vote civplaya
I go with consensous
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unvote woad&fangs.
vote civplaya
I go with consensous
I really thought we could win this one, but we can't. That is, if I die. I could argue with Renata, but I'd rather not.
Congrats, whoever the mafia is, you've managed to win the game flawlessly.
Also, to Death is Yonder,
Honestly, I don't have an answer. It's a good argument, and you've caught me. It's too bad I'm a townie.Quote:
So civplayah, who do you think is the 2nd mafia then, since you seem convinced of ATPG's innocence. The tone in this post sounds vindictive even, are you going to attempt to lynch woad today and come up with a half-baked story about how therefore so and so must be guilty tomorrow?
I'll like an answer on that
Round was over a few hours ago, gonna get writeup started.
<meta http-equiv="CONTENT-TYPE" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><title></title><meta name="GENERATOR" content="OpenOffice.org 3.2 (Win32)"><style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style> Ok, maybe panic wasn't the right word for it. “Extreme unease”? Yes, that was a better phrase for what I was feeling. Following a short discussion, I was handed Civplayah. Maybe they were right. But it still felt like a dark cloud was hanging over the whole of us, an ominous aura. Either way, Jannette took up her task as per her usual custom, creating for herself a rapier, which she used to end Civplayah in two short strokes. The rest of us looked about the room at each other, almost expecting two of us to emblazon the rest of us with bullets or magic arrows or holy hand grenades or whatever was being used to make people disappear each night. Yet... nothing.
“Alrighty folks, we're done here for now,” Jannette tweeted. “Now, off to transience again!” She continued, waving us off. “Sleep tight!” I stalked off to my quarters for the night, not sure what to make of what might happen next.
Tally:
Civplayah 4(Everyone but Civplayah)
Woad 1(Civplayah)
Alive: 4
CaptainBlackadder
Death is Yonder
Renata
woad&fang
Lynched: 5
Romanic (D1)
Arepeggiate (D2)
Beskar (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
Civplayah (D5)
Slain: 8
Frozen in Ice (N1)
Skooma Addict (N1)
Diana Abnoba (N2)
Splitpersonality (N2)
Pinman (N3)
Secura (N3)
God Emperor (N4)
Landlubber (N4)
Ohhh, we must have lynched a mafia before, because if we didn't the game would have ended.
<style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style> I was sitting on a marble bench the next morning, impatiently tapping my foot, waiting for news. My nerves were becoming increasingly shot as the seconds ticked by. I was started by a faint pop behind me, only to find Jannette smoothing her jacket out. “Morning, John,” she whistled. “Isn't this exciting? We'll find out if you've helped lead the group to victory!” I just swiveled on the bench away from her, feeling ill. I couldn't believe that, even now, she was still the same appallingly chipper woman.
There it was. The tell tale sounds of footsteps against the marble floor, coming from the privacy quarters. Did we do it? I felt my spirit lift against the shadow of doubt hovering over me. Out from the hallway stepped Renata and woad&fangs, each with a smirk upon their face. “... Have you two seen Captain Blackadder or Death is Yonder?” I asked them. Renata tilted her head to the right in some kind of thoughtful maner.
“Well.... I guess you could say that,” she said. She winked to the man beside her. They both held their right hands aloft, and a jet black dagger materialized in each. “Its all over, Heathen....” They leaned forward to start into a sprint, when....
“CONGRATULATIONS!” A new voice rang out from nowhere. Streams of confetti shot across the room from unknown sources, and the knives disappeared from their hands. Trumpets and trombones could be heard but not seen. A marble platform appeared in the middle of the room, as well as two new workers, who ushered woad&fangs and Renata onto it. Several simultaneous pops clicked at once, and suddenly the room was filled to the brim with everyone from the past week or so, all whole and healthy, if a bit dazed. From behind me, Jannette was clapping excitedly, smiling as always.
“Wha... what? How? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY?” I cried out in near tears. Jannette briskly stepped up to the platform where woad&fangs and Renata stood, looking about as stunned as myself.
“Congrats to both of you, you did an excellent job!” Jannette congratulated them. “Its been a while since we've seen such an excellent performance by the mafia!”
“The... the mafia?” myself, woad, and Renata all queried at once. “Oh yes, you two were the mafia. That's what we call 'the intruders' in this exercise,” she explained. “Wait.... exercise?!” we screamed. “This was just an exercise!”
“Oh, yes, of course sillies. People can't actually die up here,” she said with a wink to me.
“But... but... but.... whyyyyyyyyy?” I cried. “Why all this?”
Jannette looked quite puzzled. “Isn't that obvious? It really does get dreadfully boring up here. I mean, there's not even any internet!” she shook her head a bit. “I was to help get this exercise going by telling dear woad and Renata here that everyone was plotting against The Boss, so they naturally took up what was a sacred duty. And quite well, to reiterate. I'm just happy I was able to go back home while you were in transience, otherwise I'd have been a week or more without facebook! Can you imagine? Oh, well... I guess you can, but oh well. Anyways, yes, this was to liven things up in this dull place. It sure beats Bingo, doesn't it?” She winked again.
“Now, for you two, I have a prize, of course! For such an excellent job and winning the exercise, I present you with something you'll be able to use once you're finished here.” Jannette pulled a few slips of paper out of her jacket pocket and handed two slips each to woad and Renata.
Woad read the lettering aloud. “Good for one free entree with the purchase of another of equal or greater value.... to Bennigans. Wait, where are we all heading when we're done with this?” Jannette just winked at him one last time.
“Well, toodles everyone, I'll see you in a week or so for Twister!”
TOTAL MAFIA VICTORY!
ArepeggiateTHIS
Askthepizzaguy
Beskar
CaptainBlackadder
Civplayah
Death is Yonder
Diana Abnoba
God Emperor
Frozen in Ice
Landlubber
Pinman
Renata- MAFIA
Romanic
Secura
Skooma Addict
splitpersonality
woad&fang- MAFIA
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I will say this much: The distancing vote between woad and Renata on round one, plus his incorrect vote on me this round, is indicative of their partnership. I would also suggest that it was indeed Renata who killed off Diana and Split, for very smart reasons.
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Ahh the shame :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Good game mafia :bow:
Well played.
And well done to ATPG too, you got it all right, but we didn't listen.
Ahhhhhhh.
Thanks Khaan for hosting this game :bow:
Looks like the curse of Khaan is back eh? :clown:
I thought about it too much on that last round. I should have stuck with my original case on Renata and woad&fangs. It's nice to know the scumdar still works... what was it, 5/5 in the last two small games alone? :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Death is yonder
I was right about Renata due to who got killed, and I was right about woad based on his scum behavior. And then when woad picked me over Renata, it just confirmed everything for me.
Can't win 'em all. I am always looking at things from different angles and wondering what if I were wrong. I gotta stop doing that. My apologies to civplayah... I should have just shut up and let Blackadder, et al, vote for woad, as they might have done if I hadn't just given it a rest and hoped people followed my case from the round prior.
Congrats Woad and Renata. Thank you Khaan for an excellent game.
It's a good thing that I didn't post during the last day because I had DiY and civplayah as mafia partners :laugh4:
Good job Renata and woad&fangs!! :dancinglock:
Not happy at ATPG for lynching me on day 1! :furious3:
And thanks for the game khaan. :2thumbsup:
Congrats to the mafia. Great game, thanks to Khaan for hosting. :bow:
Congrats Woad and Renata :)
You sure had me fooled.
Thanks for hosting, khaan :bow:
ATPG, if I may offer some advice...Try to focus on quality of evidence rather than quantity. I think the sheer amount of arguments you had against me worked in my favor because your weak/nonexistent cases against me made your good cases seem petty as well.
Congrats to my partner, Renata.
This is the first time I've survived a game as the mafia! Woohoo!
I would like to post my endgame perspective, sort of a tradition these days. I would also like to preface this with: I have plenty of flaws and I am clearly not always right, especially when it counted this game. But I still feel there's something relevant in the following analysis and commentary.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The above is my fallible opinion, take it as you will, don't read it if you don't want to.
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This is why I love vanilla games. Pure and simple. I hate detectives, they RUIN the fun and mystery of the game, IMO.
Also: I don't think I plead like this when I am scum... I don't think? Anyone know an instance of me doing this as scum, point it out to me for a free pizza.
Yay, I'm not the only one who can't stand detectives. :beam: Iirc, I haven't made a proper detective since my first game. :laugh4: Something to bear in mind for the future?
Not to hijack your thread with a different discussion, but a quick response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan
Here are the positives about detectives;
- They can be used to give the town a fighting chance when the mafia are more numerous, or can recruit, or are otherwise overpowered, to even the odds.
- Person who gets detective role probably enjoys themselves even if they only survive a few rounds. Yay, I'm a detective!
- Person who scans the mafia early on feels good about themselves.
Here are the negatives about detectives:
- People trust their judgment, even when they come to the wrong conclusions, and end up just following obediently. Then the game is lost.
- Often times, no one but the detective and the mafia contribute anything of substance. The rest of the players are on auto-pilot.
- Traditional scum finding techniques such as vote pattern analysis, kill analysis, post analysis, and behavioral/tactical analysis goes out the window and those skills get rusty.
- Can find a mafia on N1 or N2 and then the game is pretty much usually over, leading to a short and anticlimactic game. Less fun for all.
- Certain notorious players can't catch a break and are almost always scanned right away. This leads to meta-gaming and less fun for certain player.
- There's no mystery. If I think Sasaki Kojiro is guilty, I have to come up with reasons why and argue him to death, or offer my head in exchange for his, or something. However, with a detective role I can claim detective and there's almost nothing Sasaki Kojiro can do. Therefore, clever and crafty players cannot weasel out of trouble. And so therefore, there's no real challenge, just lucky guesses. Either they've been scanned as guilty or they haven't, and then certain people get scanned, and then certain people get murdered.
- Player who lurks and is not a usual investigation target is more likely to win the game simply by coasting through and accidentally hitting the detective.
- Individual townies have less incentive to try to hunt for mafia, because they are waiting to be led. They are unwilling to lead.
- This breaks down the discussion a bit, and then it's harder to catch the mafia.
Ultimately, a detective is an overpowered weapon that can make or break a game based on one lucky scan. But once the scan is lucky, the lynch isn't about luck, or even skill.... it's simple point and click, mafia go squish now. I reveal, I'm detective, mafia dies. There's no real incentive for an individual to try hard. As townie, if you're not the detective, your opinion matters for a few rounds until the detective reveals, and then you don't matter anymore. If you're mafia, you can try hard and just get sweeped by a lucky detective. All your clever plans and tactics and charisma and skill mean nothing.... because someone scanned you.
Lame.
Then you get detectives who privately reveal, and have this other person reveal their scans for them. And then the mafia can't really hit back. This is fine in a game like Capo III when there are 20 scumbags at a given time and investigations aren't very conclusive and there's too many mafia to hit all at once, so they can walk around openly for a while, even work together. But without some kind of massive advantage given to the mafia, detectives are overpowered, unnecessary, and not fun. At least with a vigilante when you guess wrong, an innocent person dies. A double-edged sword.
But yeah, you're not alone. 100% accurate detectives have their place, but they are too commonplace.
I knew it! I knew it! And yet again, nobody listened to Arpeg.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Shame I couldn't really pull up a decent argument against you.
Full marks for being all over woad before I was, Arpeg. :shakehands:
:bow: What did you see that I didn't see?
As in my argument, I saw his panicky, super-stealthy OMGUS vote for me on the day I got lynched. Of course, that's what I made it out to be, but it was a good hunch after all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Yay! That was fun.
I have no time today, but plenty of comments tomorrow.
Thank you to my scumbuddy woad for the plotting (did you ever think we'd pull it off? I didn't) and to Khaan for the opportunity to play a mafia role in a vanilla game, which is just awesome-sauce.
And to the townies, for allowing it to happen. :evil:
You did very well (obviously), even if some of your reasons weren't right. Woad picked split, for instance; and I picked Diana largely for the reason I stated in the thread, not directly to weaken you. I was actually thinking to kill you that night, but woad wanted you alive. Speaking only for myself, I wasn't able to put nearly as much thought into the night kills (except the last one) as I wanted to -- one night fell on a weekend, and otherwise I was just really busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Also, woad's jumping on you on the day you were lynched actually was a miscalculation -- at the time he thought the same as you argued, that a single mislynch would win it for us. Nothing to do but roll with it once that happened. Like I told him at the time, though, I'm actually glad it worked out that way, and doubly so given the outcome. It's not often you get to openly support your mafia partner like that. That was extremely entertaining in a strange way. I still can't believe it worked. After Blackadder's vote I was all ready to concede.
I'm not sure whether you under-estimated us or over-estimated us -- maybe a little of both.Quote:
Can't win 'em all. I am always looking at things from different angles and wondering what if I were wrong. I gotta stop doing that. My apologies to civplayah... I should have just shut up and let Blackadder, et al, vote for woad, as they might have done if I hadn't just given it a rest and hoped people followed my case from the round prior.
Congrats Woad and Renata. Thank you Khaan for an excellent game.
Thanks, Pinman. I suppose my "is he trying to trick me into giving myself away?" reaction is very similar to my "is he trying to trick me into voting for Pizza?" reaction. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinman
Ah, ha! I knew it!
But you guys had everyone else fooled. :( Good job!