Terror Attack: 130 Dead in Paris

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Actually I think we should make an exception for those who deserted from Daesh and are trying to get back home. It would be very valuable to have some Muslims with first hand experience of the horrors of the Islamic State telling those who are thinking of leaving for Syria how bad it really is.

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We'd be better off if those who are thinking of going went and never came back.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

It's also possible her cousin or his associates strapped the bomb to her ala hurt locker, we wont know either way.

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No we won't, but she wasn't really the type to do this. She was an outgoing girl, loved wine, weared sexy clothes. Wouldn't she have tried to get any closer to the police, I think she was probably wounded

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

She was also a notorious boozer, apparently. It's weird how the one thing that sticks is "kill the unbelievers" I suppose it's what you hammer home the most.

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That's not unusual, I guess it's that strange mix of radical Islam and underclass culture. One of our most public Islamists loved to drink, smoke pot, party etc, a lot of low-level crime links in the family as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Choudary.html

It's the same phenomenon as Born-Again Christians.

Person becomes disenchanted with materialistic society > searches for meaning > was raised by near-atheists so has no context for intellectualised, mainstream, religion > joins fundamentalist cult with bizarre and nonsensical theology.

The reason, I suspect, that this is less common in the US is that they already have mass religion and as much as many American preachers are morons or money grubbing shills the sheer number of them makes them more moderate than the relatively small number of radical preachers, of all faiths, in Europe.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Mock it if you want. When you and Kage get your boots on the ground and it doesn't do jack shit against the bigger threat, there will be threads on who mismanaged the troops and which country is to blame and Islamic extremists will only have more converts.

But you are right, when we all hold hands and get ISIS to "draw out to fight", we will turn the tide of this war.



How well thought out![/COLOR]

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Where did I mention "my" boots on the ground? I'd be the first to run away...

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

My apologies then to both you and Husar. I think it's a bit touchy because us Yanks have been through a gamut of policies aimed at preventing Islamic terrorism both domestic and abroad and we are all frustrated because nothing we have done seems to work. None of us wants France and the EU to fall into the same trap the US did after 9/11. Just remember that Iraq was no better in 2012 than in 2006, the surge did not work, the TSA does not work, Afghanistan the country might as well be a collection of cities surrounded by Taliban controlled countryside.

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I talked to someone who said it is a full success because the US (and ultimately the NWO, who control the US) want to destabilize the EU with all the refugees in order to prevent it from rivalling the US. That's also why they ordered Merkel to let them all in. To have ISIS as a convenient scapegoat is part of the plan of course. I'm sure you agree because I also heard (from the same person) people from the US are even more critical of their government than Europeans.

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I talked to someone who said it is a full success because the US (and ultimately the NWO, who control the US) want to destabilize the EU with all the refugees in order to prevent it from rivalling the US. That's also why they ordered Merkel to let them all in. To have ISIS as a convenient scapegoat is part of the plan of course. I'm sure you agree because I also heard (from the same person) people from the US are even more critical of their government than Europeans.

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You heard it from me, personally.

Just doing my bit to divide and conquer. :cool2:

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

It makes sense. The nations Boko Haram attack have less anti terrorism capabilities than the ones Daesh operates in, so it's obvious they would have more success.

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I just noticed this. Point of fact, the psychopathic rapist-killers don't care what you call them. Liberal clap trap, no doubt thought up by someone who has "the pen is mightier than the sword" embroidered on *his/her/their/its* free trade duvet.

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Originally Posted by Husar

I talked to someone who said it is a full success because the US (and ultimately the NWO, who control the US) want to destabilize the EU with all the refugees in order to prevent it from rivalling the US. That's also why they ordered Merkel to let them all in. To have ISIS as a convenient scapegoat is part of the plan of course. I'm sure you agree because I also heard (from the same person) people from the US are even more critical of their government than Europeans.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVE01oOTAM

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I just noticed this. Point of fact, the psychopathic rapist-killers don't care what you call them. Liberal clap trap, no doubt thought up by someone who has "the pen is mightier than the sword" embroidered on *his/her/their/its* free trade duvet.

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Pretty sure it's intended to show you're down with the Muslim Plebs.

Remember - France is run by an aristocratic elite.

It's cheap propaganda that's actually mildly offensive.

Unfortunately I’ve seen so far that there’s some truth to the claims that many Muslims sympathize or are indifferent towards the attacks, even though one of the victims was a Moroccan Muslim.

Granted most of the people I heard saying this come from the only two Wahhabi countries in the world. Also terrifying that they didn't give a flying fuck that one of the victims was a Muslim, as long as in the grand scheme of things they "showed our strength."

I guess some people really need to have sex. Or have a drink at least. I'm convinced now that strict Sharia states produce mentally ill people.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I just noticed this. Point of fact, the psychopathic rapist-killers don't care what you call them. Liberal clap trap, no doubt thought up by someone who has "the pen is mightier than the sword" embroidered on *his/her/their/its* free trade duvet.

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Dont care if they dont care so long as it pisses someone off.

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It's cheap propaganda that's actually mildly offensive

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It worked!

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I just noticed this. Point of fact, the psychopathic rapist-killers don't care what you call them. Liberal clap trap, no doubt thought up by someone who has "the pen is mightier than the sword" embroidered on *his/her/their/its* free trade duvet.

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As apologist as they sound they're not lying. Daesh "Islam vs the world" narrative is pretty popular, and that sort of thing reinforces that story. It gives a sense of empowerment for the oppressed.

Daesh was initially a reactionary movement to 1 up the Shia militias in Iraq burning down Sunni towns. Their brutality was a statement that you as a Sunni can be protected and respond in kind to the Shia. It's them against the world, unlike the Shia's "Iran and us" against the world.

They care more than any other Jihadi group cares.

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Originally Posted by HitWithThe5

Unfortunately I’ve seen so far that there’s some truth to the claims that many Muslims sympathize or are indifferent towards the attacks, even though one of the victims was a Moroccan Muslim.

Granted most of the people I heard saying this come from the only two Wahhabi countries in the world. Also terrifying that they didn't give a flying fuck that one of the victims was a Muslim, as long as in the grand scheme of things they "showed our strength."

I guess some people really need to have sex. Or have a drink at least. I'm convinced now that strict Sharia states produce mentally ill people.

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The only surprising thing about this is that you are surprised - this is all common knowledge.

Now, I don't know about alcohol but the average IS fighter can get himself a sex slave for about a packet of cigarettes. If he beats her enough and she doesn't die he might be able to force her to convert and then he can marry her.

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Originally Posted by HitWithThe5

As apologist as they sound they're not lying. Daesh "Islam vs the world" narrative is pretty popular, and that sort of thing reinforces that story. It gives a sense of empowerment for the oppressed.

Daesh was initially a reactionary movement to 1 up the Shia militias in Iraq burning down Sunni towns. Their brutality was a statement that you as a Sunni can be protected and respond in kind to the Shia. It's them against the world, unlike the Shia's "Iran and us" against the world.

They care more than any other Jihadi group cares.

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IS/Daesh/Satan's Own don't "care" at all - you might be able to use that argument with Hamas and Hezbollah because they set up hospitals and don't just shoot anyone who looks at them funny.

The depredations of the Shia militias in Iraq are well known but that is a result of Saddam's marginalisation of the Shia creating resentment that has boiled over after his death and defeat - and the successive failed Iraqi governments. If IS are "one upping" the Shia then they are, per definition, worse and they are perpetuating the cycle of religious violence.

In any case, IS will attack anyone who isn't their brand of Sunni - Shia hardly get the brunt of it, that falls on the Druze, the Zorastrians, the Jews, the Christians, the Yazadi.

You seem immune to their plight but you're shocked Muslims would support the attacks just becasue of one Morrocan Muslim? Why should that even matter? they killed plenty of Christians in those attacks - are they not "People of the Book"?

Not sure what you’re on about. I’m just pointing out why they care what people say about them. It’s how they started, I meant being more brutal than the others. They exploited the plight of Sunnis in Iraq. Daesh hates nothing more than Shia, that's common knowledge.

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Originally Posted by HitWithThe5

I guess some people really need to have sex. Or have a drink at least. I'm convinced now that strict Sharia states produce mentally ill people.

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It's not like some of the most violent people(s) in world history were known for debaucherous lifestyles, or anything. Violence might just be another form of sensual pleasure.

Looks like I was right about the woman who blew {herself?} up. Looks like she was a victim with strapped up explosives. I'll spare you the video but she's obviously terrified

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Originally Posted by Crandar

Yazidis's beliefs have also plenty of Zoroastrian elements, a religion which was not recognized as acceptable by the pro-Roman Mohammad.

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Ironic as Zoroastrianism was the origin of the Abrahamic religions.

I've been struggling to articulate my feelings about this without going over old ground. However this sums it up for me.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eP_9kMmOO0

Brillo sticks it to the bad guys!

On a lighter note, this from the comments.

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He forgot Eric Cantona

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http://news.yahoo.com/gunmen-attack-...084238110.html

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Gunmen attack luxury hotel in Mali capital, 170 taken hostage

By Tiemoko Diallo

BAMAKO (Reuters) - Islamist gunmen stormed a luxury hotel packed with foreigners in Mali's capital Bamako on Friday, taking 170 hostages in a former French colony that has been battling rebels allied to al Qaeda for several years.

A senior security source said some of the hostages had been freed after being made to recite verses from the Koran. The French newspaper Le Monde quoted the Malian security ministry as saying at least three hostages had been killed.

The raid on the Radisson Blu hotel, which lies just west of the city center near government ministries and diplomatic offices in the former French colony, comes a week after Islamic State militants killed 129 people in Paris.

The identity of the Bamako gunmen, or the group to which they belong, is not known.

Northern Mali was occupied by Islamist fighters, some with links to al Qaeda, for most of 2012. They were driven out by a French-led military operation, but sporadic violence has continued in Mali's central belt on the southern reaches of the Sahara, and in Bamako.....

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Doesn't look so bad at the moment there, not many casualties so far. Greater concerns: drinking water. I am going to drink bottled water for a while untill everything is properly secured.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Looks like I was right about the woman who blew {herself?} up. Looks like she was a victim with strapped up explosives. I'll spare you the video but she's obviously terrified

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"Ait Bboulahcen detonates a suicide belt as she pretends to give herself up, screaming 'Help me, help me!' at police. In doing so, she becomes Europe's first woman suicide bomber. Her head and spine were found in the street after being blasted through a window."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-revealed.html

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Originally Posted by Myth

"Ait Bboulahcen detonates a suicide belt as she pretends to give herself up, screaming 'Help me, help me!' at police. In doing so, she becomes Europe's first woman suicide bomber. Her head and spine were found in the street after being blasted through a window."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-revealed.html

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I know, the video isn't very pleasant to watch so I'm not going to post it. What got me sceptical is that she was obviously really scared. The police asked where her friend was, and she replied 'he is not my friend'. I would at least consider that she might have been an innocent victiim, and that her name should be cleared should it be that way. I of course possibly can't know it, it's nothing but a bit of a hunch I have, I am also naturally guilty of having a soft spot for women so feel free to redicule me for considering that she might have been completily innocent

Untrained people usually panic in stressful situations.

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

I've been struggling to articulate my feelings about this without going over old ground. However this sums it up for me.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eP_9kMmOO0

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Videos like this are awful and the mindset they breed are part of the problem. The people who commit these atrocities do not care about French culture nor do they think it's the way of the future. I can't for the life of me figure out who those videos are for? Is this supposed to make me take heart at because France has given so much to the world? I know that, it's one of the reasons I am so upset.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Untrained people usually panic in stressful situations.

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This is Europe ffs we are used to atrocities. I saw a video of a plane flying over NY, people were actually running towards the most dangerous spot they could be. Bombing warnings are very normal in big Europian citiies, can count five on my personal list from Londen and Paris, nobody panics we are used to that it sometimes happens. As for this, I don't think she's guilty but I could be wrong, but I am usually right

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Originally Posted by Fragony

This is Europe ffs we are used to atrocities. I saw a video of a plane flying over NY, people were actually running towards the most dangerous spot they could be. Bombing warnings are very normal in big Europian citiies, can count five on my personal list from Londen and Paris, nobody panics we are used to that it sometimes happens. As for this, I don't think she's guilty but I could be wrong, but I am usually right

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I fail to see what that has to do with her being unstained? Or are you talking about the video? In any event, No one in the west is "used to" atrocities. There are bomb warnings constantly here too, it doesn't make anyone hard.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I fail to see what that has to do with her being unstained? Or are you talking about the video? In any event, No one in the west is "used to" atrocities. There are bomb warnings constantly here too, it doesn't make anyone hard.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Chinese proverb: Tofu is better than centralized socialist economy

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Coincidentally, that's my favourite Einstein quote.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Videos like this are awful and the mindset they breed are part of the problem. The people who commit these atrocities do not care about French culture nor do they think it's the way of the future. I can't for the life of me figure out who those videos are for? Is this supposed to make me take heart at because France has given so much to the world? I know that, it's one of the reasons I am so upset.

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Maybe he is just venting and I for one also agree with him.

As for the woman being innocent or not, her neighbors described her as a very nice and kind person. You may say that's how they described every school shooter as well, but I'm not sure if school shooters and islamists can be compared like that. So Fragony may have a point, but I guess the experts will have to find out. If she was not a suicide bomber then I guess someone else must have had the trigger, if not then she probably blew herself up and cried to attract the policemen to take them with her...
As much as I also have a soft spot for women, I do not believe them to be incapable of doing such things.