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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
fair enough - and it shows how much attention I've been paying. Let's leave Inspector Wee Thomas out of this.
and as to your claim about voting, let's see if this throws Wee Thomas amongst the pigeons...
unvote: Vote: Sasaki
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=329
That's the one I was referring to. With regards to some speculation that the IRA were trying to pretend that one of their guys had died, so that we would think there were only two of them (two blind mice instead of three). It's not important though, I'm basing my vote from the feeling that your posting is off. The same accusation I made of Andres day 2 last game...
The latest post doesn't seem like you either. This isn't a thing where I make accusations and you defend yourself though, this is the thing where I say I think your style is off and if other people agree then they vote you.
Tell me more about what you think of khaan's posts.Quote:
Anyone else think possibly 'khaan could be hinting at us... ?
(LittleGrizzly, LittleGrizzly, LittleGrizzly - there is that all better now? :2thumbsup:)
(LittleGrizzly, LittleGrizzly, LittleGrizzly - there is that all better now? :2thumbsup:)
Music to my ears!
or correctly arranged letters to my eyes...
Unvote Boudica
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=329
This is the part of the post Sasaki is referring to...
Padriac named character ? assuming he is IRA... sound about right ?
please explain to me the thought process that took from what i said here...
to... "so was padraic the IRA boss?"
The first part of the post was asking if Padriac is a named charater or just someones username... i was too lazy to check and i thought i better make it a question rather than say something stupid...
The second part im guessing from his name he was an ira charater... given that the name is not english sounding in the slightest and a little bit irish sounding... it was/is probably a correct assumption... though thinking on it now he culd be some other role... it didn't occur to me at the time though...
Where is the part where i call him the ira boss... i can't even see how you could even call that me hinting at him being the boss of ira... there is absolutely nothing in that post that hints towards him being a boss...
This isn't a thing where I make accusations and you defend yourself though, this is the thing where I say I think your style is off and if other people agree then they vote you.
At least base your suspicions on posts i have made!
And an accurate interpratation of those posts as well!
There are points that have been made that i can answer... the gut and bad feelings are just something i can make little remarks like coin flicking or horoscopes about...
TBH the fact you are making such a weak case is making me less suspicious of you... im sure mafia sasaki would have a blindingly brilliant case to follow rather than one with more holes than swiss cheese...
on the other hand i don't really have anything else to go on...
Vote Sasaki
You could always follow my lead.Quote:
on the other hand i don't really have anything else to go on...
You could always follow my lead.
and make a unbolded vote for someone without explanation ?
Though in fairness you didn't lead us wrong in the settlement... its just a lot easier to follow your lead when indirectly i gave you the lead in the first place... smething to consider i suppose...
Sometimes I wonder whether GH is mafia and just leading us on because he can :grin:
me, I'm still not certain of boudica's innocence, so vote: boudica
Considering pever wanted us to ignore someone's role post, maybe he redistributed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Ok, I've reconsidered. Call me naive... but I'm going to listen to seireikhaan. He seems to have a role which negates the possibility of talking to us....
rechecking.
unvote: Reenk
vote: Sasaki
I don't think anyone if following my lead on Reenk anyway. I give up.
edit: seireikhaan hasn't spoken all game. Someone needs to protect him tonight. If Sasaki is innocent, I suggest we go after seireikhaan tomorrow.
So... is Khaan usually so quiet?
Greyblades:
No. He either has a role which negates speaking except to vote, or he's trying to make us think so. As such, we give him the benefit of the doubt for one round, and if he fails to nail the mafia, he must die. That's my theory anyway. Unfortunately unless Seireikhaan speaks, he can't even confirm or deny it.
If I am wrong, he could always unvote: sasaki. That would be a clear message.
Well, I see the chance for a tie coming up and lynching myself just doesn't sound like fun to me.
Unvote: Ituralde
Vote: sireikhaan
Back to the lurker it is.
I really, really think you're mafia, Ituralde. You aren't even listening, are you? This self-vote stuff was just a bluff, and you're trying to lynch someone who may be a mute detective. GH keeps suggesting you're guilty. From that I have to assume that he may have gotten a guilty result on you. And how about showing up right before the lynch but doing nothing to affect the total? Just in time for night phase?
Your explanations, votes, and behavior, plus the fingers of suspicion on you coming from people who are asking for the benefit of the doubt... you need to start explaining now.
Seireikhaan is not a "lurker"... he appears to simply be unable to speak in-thread. I'm willing to toss him or GH one round of doubt to see if they have uncovered one of you as mafia.
I encourage votes on Ituralde.
Let's talk about this...Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
This is the original set of posts, set over several pages. Side note: lack of commitment on ares by LG.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
First thing, you can see that LG was only mentioned in passing here. By far the main focus was on yoyo and ares, neither of whom I particularly suspected. Like I said, townies can easily pick up on mafia clues. I was somewhat surprised when LG responded, so I remembered it and mentioned that set of posts in my vote for grizz:
LG responded with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
I posted a link to the post that was possible "mafia dropping hints" and an explanation. His response is the first quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
It should be evident that I never considered this blind mice/padraic/mafia hints thing to be substantial. Grizzly's response is therefore off the charts of normalcy, I either struck a nerve with the mafia hints accusation, or he's jumping on something to accuse me of.
I feel that this is more defensive than usual for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Going back to grizz's last post:
Baloney. Here is your accusation of Alexander the pretty good:Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
But maybe your accusation was later? Let's see:Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
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Originally Posted by LG
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Originally Posted by LG
No, it's a direct contradiction of what you just claimed. You want examples of what tweaked my gut? Look at the posts from this day. Meaningless votes, no real comment on the major case of the day, a post saying "I dunno" and asking if anyone has any ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Claiming that "so-and-so" is not a bad a lynch is a classic move for mafia who want to look innocent. The idea being, mafia wouldn't care if a atpg or reenk was lynched, so if you protest it you're more townie. Actually, mafia would want atpg and reenk to survive till endgame.Quote:
here were far easier lynches on those first two days i could have joined in with.... an ATPG or Reenk bandwagon would have been a simple fist round vote for me to make... but because im town i fought against these pointless lynches and did stick my neck out by refusing to vote for either and abstaining instead...
Seamus accused you as well, and not long ago in the settlement I went whole hog after TinCow and you were the one who warned me off him. This is you looking to justify your revenge vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
You didn't elaborate on this when I asked you to, so I'll say what I think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
This is a game where if you have a role, it is revealed after death. Khaan just came off of being detective in GF3, where we went over and over his poem with a fine toothed comb, looking for hidden clues. I even tried anagrams of capital letters, lol. So if he was the detective and hinting at my guilt, he would have been a lot more subtle than voting me three times in the first round and doing nothing else. And even if he wasn't, as detective he wouldn't keep pushing it...he would either claim and ask for maireads protection, or post normally so that he didn't stand out so much.
This to me, is you grasping at another reason to justify a revenge vote.
In summary: LittleGrizzly hasn't been posting in his townie style this game. His claimed townie behavior is a common mafia ploy, his claimed original case isn't anything of the sort, he defensively overreacted to my suggestion that it was possible that he was dropping or picking up on mafia hints, and he is being inconsistent, ignoring things he knows to be true, and grasping at straws to justify his revenge vote on me, which despite all that he still tries to indicate he is not attached to:
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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Have no issue with Ituralde's earlier pushing Seamus, makes no sense for a mafia ploy. What would his goal be? But he's clearly spooked by GH's post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
As for the detective, maybe I'm confused. But we have three pro town roles, which I take to be donney, davey, and mairead. Mairead a doctor, seamus is donny, and davey is looking for a cat...and well, you saw that deleted post too. So I can't see how GH could be the detective. To me his posts look like part of his new style. He did the same with taka in king wahaha, and with factionheir in the settlement. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not a believer in "lynch someone because so-and-so says he is with no reasoning, because so-and-so might be the detective". The reasonable suspicion on Ituralde would be because of the way he got spooked.
I believe LittleGrizz is the lynch for today.
It's possible GH is just messing with me/us, but the problem is, that's independent of Ituralde's objectively bizarre behavior.
The case on Ituralde is everything Ituralde has done so far; it makes no sense to me coming from a townie. I am unwilling to let him skate on this. I'll post my own case on him if I have to. He could be a Godfather and that is why he's so nervous-sounding and erratic in his behavior.
EDIT:
And he just skips out while I am questioning him. He's not willing to discuss anything. He's nervous and non-contributory, and intentionally ducking suspicion. If he keeps this up, I will once again offer my head as punishment if town lynches him and he turns up innocent.
As a matter of fact, consider it done. You lynch Ituralde, I am wrong, kill me.
Well shows what I know I was starting to get suspicious of Captain Blackadder!
However, back to the game...
Vote Ituralde
If he is a townie your for the chop GH/ATPG.
But the one thing you'll notice is that I was right about all of them. :yes:
Who were your other suspects, GH? Forgive my laziness, don't want to go back and use the search function. And yeah, if Ituralde is innocent I'll vote myself every round until I die.
Yeah, his push vote on me earlier made sense, I agree. But Ituralde DOES seem spooked. He went to an auto-vote very quickly after GH posted his bandwagon. Then, after discussion of 'khaan's potential role by you, he quickly shifts back to 'khaan as a lurker vote.
'khaan IS a lurker -- and we need him involved or gone -- but I agree with you pizza that Ituralde seems "hinkey" to me too. Okay, GH, I'll
Vote: Ituralde
myself. Not sure how you are doing it -- secret sources? -- but your similar plea in Settlement did end up with a good hit. I will be watching to see if Ituralde is a "name" here.
Ituralde and others are correct though -- we need more from 'khaan. Unless his "named" role is Wee Thomas and he can't talk in the thread.
If THAT weirdness is the case, I would expect at least a simple MEOW from him...:laugh4:
Do we have a protector who can guard him? Or is Mairead just your defender?
unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ituralde
Need to put my money where my mouth is. Still looking at Sasaki and LittleGrizzly, if Sasaki turns up innocent.
MEOW
THANK YOU.
You're claiming to have a guilty result on Sasaki. But I don't think the detective has the ability to detect Godfathers. We need to kill the Godfather, not the henchman Sasaki. Don't bother voting Sasaki! Get the real target! Get the Godfather and Sasaki dies too!
If this makes sense, unvote Sasaki. Otherwise, I'll consider it.
edit-
about 30 mins later... still no reply. Not sure which one to vote for now. Sasaki could be a henchman, and at least, that reduces their voting power. But Ituralde has got to go...
Unvote: Ituralde
vote: Sasaki
We need to solve the mystery of Seireikhaan's cat "claim", and his insistence that Sasaki is mafia. Next round, though, I really really think we need to look at Ituralde.
And LittleGrizzly as a suspect: I don't think so, Sasaki. Not unless you turn out innocent. With Sasaki's death, much will be revealed, I believe.
Tally... PLEASE recheck... someone? Anyone? Thanks.
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Sasaki: 4 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Askthepizzaguy)
Ituralde: 3 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus)
seireikhaan: 2 (Ituralde, greyblades)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Reenk Roink)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)
Abstain: 1 (Andres)
Unvote: Atpg
Vote: Ituralde
The angel of protection has informed me that GH will not be protected and I encourage the angel of death to pay him a visit as the angel of knowledge states he is full of crap. :bow:
I think we have 2 good suspects today, Sasaki and Ituralde. I also feel that LittleGrizzly is a townie, and put forth the best argument against Sasaki.
Vote: Sasaki
New tally- (plz recheck)
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Sasaki: 5 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba)
Ituralde: 4 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus, Reenk Roink)
seireikhaan: 2 (Ituralde, greyblades)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)
Abstain: 1 (Andres)
Can I just ask why FactionHeir is being so tame with his voting preferences? Boudica is not going to get the axe, so the vote on her makes no sense. It's the same as abstaining, but not looking like you're abstaining.
FoS: FactionHeir.
If we fail to get a Godfather soon, I'm thinking it could be you.
Well, I am going to go with the whole Khaan is an investigator thong so, Unvote Vote Intralude I suspect him more than I do Sasaki.
I don't think you read very carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana Abnoba
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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
One example from my case. Have you read LittleGrizz's case?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
If you believe that Seireikhaan is the investigator, then you cannot possibly think that Ituralde is a better lynch than Sasaki, because you believe the investigator proved Sasaki guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Vote how you like, I think ituralde needs to die and soon, but what you said makes no sense. And even though I suspect Ituralde, I doubt that my suspicions are better than the investigator's.
I don't want to argue with you Sasaki, but I think those examples you gave were from the earlier part of the game, and I was talking about today's posts. I think he made a better case today than you did, that's all. :smile:
Yes...you're right, they were from an earlier part of the game, my bad :coffeenews:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana Abnoba
Folks need to stop bein' so silly...
Oh, so Seireikhaan can talk. That plus Sasaki's reasoning in private makes me completely doubt your investigator/cat behavior now as being anything but a ploy. Now, Sasaki is off the hook. And, Ituralde is back on.
Stop messing with my brain!
unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ituralde
~:mecry: no one checks my tallies. :wall:
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Ituralde: 6 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus, Reenk Roink, Greyblades, Askthepizzaguy)
Sasaki: 4 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Diana Abnoba)
seireikhaan: 1 (Ituralde)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)
Abstain: 1 (Andres)
My tally has more votes on LittleGrizzly, but I don't think that's the version you're looking for.
I'll vote for LittleGrizzly next round. If you're playing me, you're doing an excellent job. In spite of all reasons to the contrary, I actually trust you.
I am going to regret this, I just know it.
I don't usually vote abstain. Plus, I doubt I'd get the Godfather role AFTER I asked for a PM way after the game started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
And I am suspicious why you think khaan cannot speak.
You didn't notice that bit where it said townies don't get pm's, huh? :fishing:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Easily a ploy. That's not proof or defense, it's WIFOM. I doubt I'd be the Irish Godfather after I revealed as such, but hey... that's WIFOM too.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Because he didn't speak all game until now. Now I know better. People make mistakes. People are intentionally messing with my head this game, and silly me, I believed them.Quote:
And I am suspicious why you think khaan cannot speak.
I am still suspicious of you. Your responses do not satisfy me.
Fine, lynch me.
That's easy for you to say when no one really thinks you're suspect except me. And, again... WIFOM.
Ituralde, the way he checked the last minute votes and how he reacted to GH tells me he is guilty....:clown:What did I do???:bigcry:Quote:
Wow, such a mind blowing accusation - you willing to be questioned Khaan, or is this you being a :daisy:, and wasting your vote needlessly. You never contribute, you never help, and as far as I am concerned, you and White Eyes need to be lynched.
Vote:Ituralde I edited my post....:juggle2:
Tally-
Seems as though Ituralde is on his way out. Let's not waste the rest of the round. I am hearing from several people that boudica is suspicious. I cannot recall a good case made against her, but I'd like to hear it or get a link back to it please.Quote:
Ituralde: 7 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus, Reenk Roink, Greyblades, Askthepizzaguy, White_Eyes)
Sasaki: 4 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Diana Abnoba)
seireikhaan: 1 (Ituralde)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)
Abstain: 1 (Andres)
Finally finished reading :sweatdrop:
GH has done something similar in The Settlement (not that I agree with my lynching in that game, which was obviously a bad idea :brood:).
Unvote : Abstain ; Vote : Ituralde.
He wanted me lynched there too, though I was investigated and found innocent :yes:
My role contains no automatic defense system -- which is why I publicly thanked "her."Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
'khaan: thanks for that! :laugh4:
EDIT: Tally =
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Pizza: please use this as a double check, I'm vote recording as I go; THank's za-man!
Ah, but that also means nothing in this game. That's cross-gaming. So far, all your responses seem like excuses and WIFOM. Spidey senses are tingling.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Yay Seamus for the tally! W00t!
edit: Tally was wrong! Missing a vote by Diana on Sasaki!
edit 2: Thanks!
My response to sasaki...
Apparently all the bold hurt some fragile things eyes... ~;)
So its in spoilers...
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Unvote Sasaki
Vote LittleGrizzly
:wall:
Blarg! So much bold hurts my eyes, please spoiler it. :bow:
LittleGrizzly, you're not even close to dying this round, and if you believe Sasaki is guilty, you will have supporters on it maybe next round. Don't remove your vote from him and put it on yourself. That kind of tactic is okay, I think, at the beginning of the game when we have no suspects and don't know who the pro-town roles are. I think we know who the pro-town roles are now, and Sasaki isn't one of them, and if you're not mafia, you shouldn't be voting for yourself. Ironic that I am the one to say this.
If you were to be lynched, you wouldn't need your own vote on it to make that happen. It's the middlegame now, we need to tighten up. And the self-lynch tactic is also ineffective on a round where there is zero chance of your lynch.
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Ituralde = 8 (Andres, 'pizza', El D, GH, Grey, Reenk, Seamus, W_E)
Sasaki = 3 (Boudica, Diana, 'khaan)
LittleGrizzly = 2 (Sasaki, Grizzly)
Boudica = 1 (FactionHeir)
Ok i guess so...
Unvote
Vote Sasaki
Why are you trying so hard to save Ituralde???:whip:(Is he your Godfather???:inquisitive:)Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Muchos Gracias Papa Bear. :bow:
Why are you trying so hard to save Ituralde???:whip:(Is he your Godfather???:inquisitive:)
You'll have to point out my frantic pleas for everyone to vote for sasaki... i can't seem to locate them and wonder if they exsist at all
By all means continue with you Ituralde lynch, a sasaki lynch doesn't seem to be a threat to his lynching...
Man sleeping isn't good when you get accused this much. Seems my online/offline times just weren't compatible with this game. First game in a long time, was good to get back into the stuff. I'll see you around...
*flourishes knives*
Mmmm, did I hear a confession, or was that just a deliciously misleading teaser?
Consolation prize Ituralde; you can join all my games.
Ituralde was chosen to be killed today. He had slept in late and woken up at weird times. No one really heard much from him. As they prepared to hang him, he grabbed the noose and said "No one catches Mike Fingers!"
In doing so, he jumped off the platform and broke his neck.
Ituralde = 8 (Andres, ATPGuy, El D, GH, Grey, Reenk, Seamus, WE)
Sasaki = 4 (Boudica, Diana, 'khaan, LG)
LittleGrizzly = 1 (Sasaki)
Boudica = 1 (FactionHeir)
Alive:
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
shlin28
LittleGrizzly
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
White Eyes
Seamus
Factionheir
serierkhaan
yoyoma1910
Diana Abnoba
boudica
Sigurd
greyblades
El Diablo
Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
It is now Night 5, please send in orders.
How sweet it is. Let's see if Oswald is here tonight, or if he was WOG'ed earlier. :mellow:
Classy! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Good lynch. Now Ituralde / Mike Fingers is listed as killed not lynched. I yam confused.
Good work guys!
Unfortunately for me maybe this means we should concentrate on those who didn't vote for him... Is he part of the english crew ?(genuine question not mafia hinting...)
oops my mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
Yes, because I believe it is known who the members of the IRA are from the play. Mike Fingers is not a person from the play. I believe he is in as a replacement for another player.
LittleGrizzly, I have my suspects... but...
Master Beefy187 teaches that it may be unwise to have this discussion at night. I think more discussion is better, but I see the downside if the mafia are choosing who to kill. What do you guys think? Discussion?
I beleive it would be a good idea to look back and identify those who tried to get attention away from Ituralde.
Edit- how do you pronounce Ituralde anyway?
It-tour-rahl-dh
If you want to know for sure listen to the Wheel of Time Audio Books. Crossroads of Twilight for example has Ituralde in it. :beam:
Yay, we got one!
As to White Eyes - why aren't you complaining at all? Usually, you go with an endless stream of angry posts, especially after death, if you lack a role, or try something really weird. You feel to much like GF3 right now...
'ere, he says he's not dead. He doesn't want to go on the cart.
What weirdness are you referring to?
Have you not played with him ATPG? Check Dark Vacuum, after he was lynched, check Whispers in the Night, check your Simpsons game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Compare this to the White Eyes for every game he was mafia, such as GF3 and Golden Rule.
His current behavior is matching up nicely with when he was mafia, rather then when he was not.
I strongly advise you not to go up this line of questioning if you want to live. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Yeah! One down. Good work guys.
Considering I am already dead? Reenk, you okay at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Hmm, it appears someone is feeding me bad information, my mistake. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
So I shall continue along my little wee quest unhindered now, thank you :brood:.
Now this person is questioning how I can blame him for misinformation for not reading the alive list. I will be working on a refutation of this, and obviously it will be hard, so excuse my lurking. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Reenk, I confess I hacked your computer to make it look like YLC was still alive.
What bugs me about yesterday is [removed...might have more speculation than is healthy].
LOL awesome. Epic failure. :smash:
Huh? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Which of the above?
Reenk:
You should merely have resurrected him and then whacked him again as a lesson. :devilish:
Reenk... YLC dead.... thing... :smash:Quote:
Which of the above?
I would like to report that I will not be posting as much for a while due to my main pc being repaired and I'm stuck with this crappy Linux laptop.