The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Greyblades:

No. He either has a role which negates speaking except to vote, or he's trying to make us think so. As such, we give him the benefit of the doubt for one round, and if he fails to nail the mafia, he must die. That's my theory anyway. Unfortunately unless Seireikhaan speaks, he can't even confirm or deny it.

If I am wrong, he could always unvote: sasaki. That would be a clear message.

[Ituralde]

Well, I see the chance for a tie coming up and lynching myself just doesn't sound like fun to me.

Unvote: Ituralde

Vote: sireikhaan

Back to the lurker it is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really, really think you're mafia, Ituralde. You aren't even listening, are you? This self-vote stuff was just a bluff, and you're trying to lynch someone who may be a mute detective. GH keeps suggesting you're guilty. From that I have to assume that he may have gotten a guilty result on you. And how about showing up right before the lynch but doing nothing to affect the total? Just in time for night phase?

Your explanations, votes, and behavior, plus the fingers of suspicion on you coming from people who are asking for the benefit of the doubt... you need to start explaining now.

Seireikhaan is not a "lurker"... he appears to simply be unable to speak in-thread. I'm willing to toss him or GH one round of doubt to see if they have uncovered one of you as mafia.



I encourage votes on Ituralde.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=329

This is the part of the post Sasaki is referring to...

Padriac named character ? assuming he is IRA... sound about right ?

please explain to me the thought process that took from what i said here...

to... "so was padraic the IRA boss?"


The first part of the post was asking if Padriac is a named charater or just someones username... i was too lazy to check and i thought i better make it a question rather than say something stupid...

The second part im guessing from his name he was an ira charater... given that the name is not english sounding in the slightest and a little bit irish sounding... it was/is probably a correct assumption... though thinking on it now he culd be some other role... it didn't occur to me at the time though...

Where is the part where i call him the ira boss... i can't even see how you could even call that me hinting at him being the boss of ira... there is absolutely nothing in that post that hints towards him being a boss...

Let's talk about this...

Donney decided to leave Mcdoogals right then and there, and make sure he got patched up. Brendan just looked around sadly, and decided to leave his card anyway, but now it said Two Blind Mice.

Sounds like A Very Supper Market was the IRA mafia boss.

Reading back, he mentions that he thinks the "two blind mice" means one family has two people. I thought before that the mafia switched from "three blind mice" to two because they thought they could pass of padraic as one of their own. They'd have had to not read the thread carefully, but then Ares apparantly didn't read carefully.

...

Yoyoma also dropped in this idea, as did little grizzly. Eh, maybe the mafia are pointing out their own hints or maybe townies are just picking up on them. Yoyoma did suspect avsm who then turned up dead. Though he made sure to mention it next day which is bold.

As much as i would like to be able to take credit for such a claim... im pretty sure i didn't.. at least i can't remember saying anything similar to that...

Ares refusal to shift his vote is intresting... mafia with a brass pair or townie with good intentions ?

This is the original set of posts, set over several pages. Side note: lack of commitment on ares by LG.

First thing, you can see that LG was only mentioned in passing here. By far the main focus was on yoyo and ares, neither of whom I particularly suspected. Like I said, townies can easily pick up on mafia clues. I was somewhat surprised when LG responded, so I remembered it and mentioned that set of posts in my vote for grizz:

I'll try and see if I can find some more specific examples of what's tweaking my gut, aside from that "so was padraic the IRA boss?" post.

LG responded with this:

This is twice you have accused me of making posts i didn't even make!

Or at least im fairly sure i didn't make that post... but i definetly didnt make the one where you said i was either mafia dropping hints or picking up on hints.. something about AVSM i think...

I posted a link to the post that was possible "mafia dropping hints" and an explanation. His response is the first quote.

It should be evident that I never considered this blind mice/padraic/mafia hints thing to be substantial. Grizzly's response is therefore off the charts of normalcy, I either struck a nerve with the mafia hints accusation, or he's jumping on something to accuse me of.

This isn't a thing where I make accusations and you defend yourself though, this is the thing where I say I think your style is off and if other people agree then they vote you.

At least base your suspicions on posts i have made!

And an accurate interpratation of those posts as well!

I feel that this is more defensive than usual for you.

Going back to grizz's last post:

the ATPGood lynch was my own original thought which i figured would be a better idea than some of the other dismal choices other people suggested....

Baloney. Here is your accusation of Alexander the pretty good:

Vote ATPGood

Needs to catch up in posting with his similarly named .orger!

But maybe your accusation was later? Let's see:

Ohh its F.C's birthday, i may just have to chang my vote to F.C now!!

We lynched seamus on his bday i think... whose the other ?

Well there precedent for you... we have to lynch players on thier birthday!!

My birthday is NOT coming up.... honest!

So have we got any good suspects... i voted for atpgood but he's posted since then, was just trying to get some response.... anybody have any ideas or just voted for anyone who seems shady ?

No, it's a direct contradiction of what you just claimed. You want examples of what tweaked my gut? Look at the posts from this day. Meaningless votes, no real comment on the major case of the day, a post saying "I dunno" and asking if anyone has any ideas?

here were far easier lynches on those first two days i could have joined in with.... an ATPG or Reenk bandwagon would have been a simple fist round vote for me to make... but because im town i fought against these pointless lynches and did stick my neck out by refusing to vote for either and abstaining instead...

Claiming that "so-and-so" is not a bad a lynch is a classic move for mafia who want to look innocent. The idea being, mafia wouldn't care if a atpg or reenk was lynched, so if you protest it you're more townie. Actually, mafia would want atpg and reenk to survive till endgame.

and well maybe not just a revenge vote... i often wonder when i am an innocent and a player as skilled at this game as sasaki is makes a case against me... if they are simply mafia directing my lynch as an easy one.. rather than making a rare mistake...

Seamus accused you as well, and not long ago in the settlement I went whole hog after TinCow and you were the one who warned me off him. This is you looking to justify your revenge vote.

Anyone else think possibly 'khaan could be hinting at us... ?

You didn't elaborate on this when I asked you to, so I'll say what I think about it.

This is a game where if you have a role, it is revealed after death. Khaan just came off of being detective in GF3, where we went over and over his poem with a fine toothed comb, looking for hidden clues. I even tried anagrams of capital letters, lol. So if he was the detective and hinting at my guilt, he would have been a lot more subtle than voting me three times in the first round and doing nothing else. And even if he wasn't, as detective he wouldn't keep pushing it...he would either claim and ask for maireads protection, or post normally so that he didn't stand out so much.

This to me, is you grasping at another reason to justify a revenge vote.

In summary: LittleGrizzly hasn't been posting in his townie style this game. His claimed townie behavior is a common mafia ploy, his claimed original case isn't anything of the sort, he defensively overreacted to my suggestion that it was possible that he was dropping or picking up on mafia hints, and he is being inconsistent, ignoring things he knows to be true, and grasping at straws to justify his revenge vote on me, which despite all that he still tries to indicate he is not attached to:

on the other hand i don't really have anything else to go on...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I really, really think you're mafia, Ituralde. You aren't even listening, are you? This self-vote stuff was just a bluff, and you're trying to lynch someone who may be a mute detective. GH keeps suggesting you're guilty. From that I have to assume that he may have gotten a guilty result on you. And how about showing up right before the lynch but doing nothing to affect the total? Just in time for night phase?

Your explanations, votes, and behavior, plus the fingers of suspicion on you coming from people who are asking for the benefit of the doubt... you need to start explaining now.

Seireikhaan is not a "lurker"... he appears to simply be unable to speak in-thread. I'm willing to toss him or GH one round of doubt to see if they have uncovered one of you as mafia.



I encourage votes on Ituralde.

Have no issue with Ituralde's earlier pushing Seamus, makes no sense for a mafia ploy. What would his goal be? But he's clearly spooked by GH's post.

As for the detective, maybe I'm confused. But we have three pro town roles, which I take to be donney, davey, and mairead. Mairead a doctor, seamus is donny, and davey is looking for a cat...and well, you saw that deleted post too. So I can't see how GH could be the detective. To me his posts look like part of his new style. He did the same with taka in king wahaha, and with factionheir in the settlement. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not a believer in "lynch someone because so-and-so says he is with no reasoning, because so-and-so might be the detective". The reasonable suspicion on Ituralde would be because of the way he got spooked.

I believe LittleGrizz is the lynch for today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's possible GH is just messing with me/us, but the problem is, that's independent of Ituralde's objectively bizarre behavior.

The case on Ituralde is everything Ituralde has done so far; it makes no sense to me coming from a townie. I am unwilling to let him skate on this. I'll post my own case on him if I have to. He could be a Godfather and that is why he's so nervous-sounding and erratic in his behavior.



EDIT:

And he just skips out while I am questioning him. He's not willing to discuss anything. He's nervous and non-contributory, and intentionally ducking suspicion. If he keeps this up, I will once again offer my head as punishment if town lynches him and he turns up innocent.

As a matter of fact, consider it done. You lynch Ituralde, I am wrong, kill me.

[El Diablo]

Well shows what I know I was starting to get suspicious of Captain Blackadder!

However, back to the game...

Vote Ituralde

If he is a townie your for the chop GH/ATPG.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But the one thing you'll notice is that I was right about all of them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who were your other suspects, GH? Forgive my laziness, don't want to go back and use the search function. And yeah, if Ituralde is innocent I'll vote myself every round until I die.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Yeah, his push vote on me earlier made sense, I agree. But Ituralde DOES seem spooked. He went to an auto-vote very quickly after GH posted his bandwagon. Then, after discussion of 'khaan's potential role by you, he quickly shifts back to 'khaan as a lurker vote.

'khaan IS a lurker -- and we need him involved or gone -- but I agree with you pizza that Ituralde seems "hinkey" to me too. Okay, GH, I'll

Vote: Ituralde

myself. Not sure how you are doing it -- secret sources? -- but your similar plea in Settlement did end up with a good hit. I will be watching to see if Ituralde is a "name" here.


Ituralde and others are correct though -- we need more from 'khaan. Unless his "named" role is Wee Thomas and he can't talk in the thread.

If THAT weirdness is the case, I would expect at least a simple MEOW from him...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do we have a protector who can guard him? Or is Mairead just your defender?

unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ituralde

Need to put my money where my mouth is. Still looking at Sasaki and LittleGrizzly, if Sasaki turns up innocent.

[seireikhaan]

MEOW

[Askthepizzaguy]

THANK YOU.

You're claiming to have a guilty result on Sasaki. But I don't think the detective has the ability to detect Godfathers. We need to kill the Godfather, not the henchman Sasaki. Don't bother voting Sasaki! Get the real target! Get the Godfather and Sasaki dies too!

If this makes sense, unvote Sasaki. Otherwise, I'll consider it.




edit-
about 30 mins later... still no reply. Not sure which one to vote for now. Sasaki could be a henchman, and at least, that reduces their voting power. But Ituralde has got to go...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Ituralde
vote: Sasaki

We need to solve the mystery of Seireikhaan's cat "claim", and his insistence that Sasaki is mafia. Next round, though, I really really think we need to look at Ituralde.

And LittleGrizzly as a suspect: I don't think so, Sasaki. Not unless you turn out innocent. With Sasaki's death, much will be revealed, I believe.



Tally... PLEASE recheck... someone? Anyone? Thanks.

Sasaki: 4 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Askthepizzaguy)
Ituralde: 3 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus)
seireikhaan: 2 (Ituralde, greyblades)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Reenk Roink)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)

Abstain: 1 (Andres)

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote: Atpg
Vote: Ituralde

The angel of protection has informed me that GH will not be protected and I encourage the angel of death to pay him a visit as the angel of knowledge states he is full of crap.

[Diana Abnoba]

I think we have 2 good suspects today, Sasaki and Ituralde. I also feel that LittleGrizzly is a townie, and put forth the best argument against Sasaki.

Vote: Sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

New tally- (plz recheck)

Sasaki: 5 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba)
Ituralde: 4 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus, Reenk Roink)
seireikhaan: 2 (Ituralde, greyblades)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)

Abstain: 1 (Andres)

Can I just ask why FactionHeir is being so tame with his voting preferences? Boudica is not going to get the axe, so the vote on her makes no sense. It's the same as abstaining, but not looking like you're abstaining.

FoS: FactionHeir.

If we fail to get a Godfather soon, I'm thinking it could be you.

[Greyblades]

Well, I am going to go with the whole Khaan is an investigator thong so, Unvote Vote Intralude I suspect him more than I do Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think we have 2 good suspects today, Sasaki and Ituralde. I also feel that LittleGrizzly is a townie, and put forth the best argument against Sasaki.

Vote: Sasaki

I don't think you read very carefully.

the ATPGood lynch was my own original thought which i figured would be a better idea than some of the other dismal choices other people suggested....

Vote ATPGood

Needs to catch up in posting with his similarly named .orger!

One example from my case. Have you read LittleGrizz's case?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I am going to go with the whole Khaan is an investigator thong so, Unvote Vote Intralude I suspect him more than I do Sasaki.

If you believe that Seireikhaan is the investigator, then you cannot possibly think that Ituralde is a better lynch than Sasaki, because you believe the investigator proved Sasaki guilty.

Vote how you like, I think ituralde needs to die and soon, but what you said makes no sense. And even though I suspect Ituralde, I doubt that my suspicions are better than the investigator's.

[Diana Abnoba]

I don't want to argue with you Sasaki, but I think those examples you gave were from the earlier part of the game, and I was talking about today's posts. I think he made a better case today than you did, that's all.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

but I think those examples you gave were from the earlier part of the game, and I was talking about today's posts.

Yes...you're right, they were from an earlier part of the game, my bad

[seireikhaan]

Folks need to stop bein' so silly...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, so Seireikhaan can talk. That plus Sasaki's reasoning in private makes me completely doubt your investigator/cat behavior now as being anything but a ploy. Now, Sasaki is off the hook. And, Ituralde is back on.

Stop messing with my brain!

unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ituralde

[Askthepizzaguy]

no one checks my tallies.

Ituralde: 6 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus, Reenk Roink, Greyblades, Askthepizzaguy)
Sasaki: 4 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Diana Abnoba)
seireikhaan: 1 (Ituralde)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)

Abstain: 1 (Andres)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My tally has more votes on LittleGrizzly, but I don't think that's the version you're looking for.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll vote for LittleGrizzly next round. If you're playing me, you're doing an excellent job. In spite of all reasons to the contrary, I actually trust you.

I am going to regret this, I just know it.

[FactionHeir]

New tally- (plz recheck)




Can I just ask why FactionHeir is being so tame with his voting preferences? Boudica is not going to get the axe, so the vote on her makes no sense. It's the same as abstaining, but not looking like you're abstaining.

FoS: FactionHeir.

If we fail to get a Godfather soon, I'm thinking it could be you.

I don't usually vote abstain. Plus, I doubt I'd get the Godfather role AFTER I asked for a PM way after the game started.

And I am suspicious why you think khaan cannot speak.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Plus, I doubt I'd get the Godfather role AFTER I asked for a PM way after the game started.

You didn't notice that bit where it said townies don't get pm's, huh?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't usually vote abstain. Plus, I doubt I'd get the Godfather role AFTER I asked for a PM way after the game started.

Easily a ploy. That's not proof or defense, it's WIFOM. I doubt I'd be the Irish Godfather after I revealed as such, but hey... that's WIFOM too.

And I am suspicious why you think khaan cannot speak.

Because he didn't speak all game until now. Now I know better. People make mistakes. People are intentionally messing with my head this game, and silly me, I believed them.

I am still suspicious of you. Your responses do not satisfy me.