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Injecting people with stuff is not violent or bloody :yes: I am just a loyal veteran Samurai in this game I'm afraid :bow:Quote:
If I remember correctly, you are a fan of the bloody violent kills when you are a mafioso. Perhaps you are the violent ninja :inquisitive:
What's with Stephen Asen's challenge? Ajaxfetish said he could not post much... so... why?
So the killers were bold enough to kill the Pevers, most of whom were in the spotlight, and would probably be lynched and killed off soon.
The killers can't be newbies, I just don't think they would kill people who are must likely to get the attention and help other people to hide themselves.
FoS: The people who publicly made threats to the Pevers.
Reality: 1, Woad's memory: 0. unvote: ShlinQuote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
Stephen Asen's challenge also strikes me as odd. Care to explain, Stephen?
However, killing off the pevers gives the town little to analyze. It was a sound strategy by the mafioso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintus.JC
Vote YLC
Challange YLC
First time fight for me....
...sharpening my katana as we speak.....
I don't have time for a full kill analysis at the moment, but one thing does jump out at me: three of the deaths were pevers. I have a hunch that if two killers overlapped on a kill, we would see them both in the write-up; thus I assume there were no overlaps. The odds of multiple mafia groups deciding independently to attack the pevers and then not overlapping on any kills seem low. Since the ninjas get 3 kills per night, this indicates to me that all three of the pever killers were ninjas. This may help properly sort the kills from the previous nights into the correct categories.
Everyone should vote for TinCow.
True, but my thoughts is that most of them were threatened to be WoGed and lynched, so killing them seemed a waste of kills for the mafia team.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Also both Geishas are killed now, it appears both are killed by samurai and not ninja. It also seems odd and unlikely that two of the same powered role were killed off so early, maybe the traitor can investigate? Or maybe it's someone that Greg had interracted with outside the thread.
Care to explain why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
Considering that there are supposed to be two samurai but there has been only one samurai kill each night, I think it is very likely that one or both of the samurai can investigate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintus.JC
Timing the reveal is always tough, but don't let death stop your efforts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregoshi
I agree with Khaan, TC is tripping my mafia sense hard.
Challenge: TinCow
Vote: TinCow
Your just oh so helpful...
Olavi may have been one of them...the beginning of his kill sounds a lot like the beginning of Gregoshi's (returning from some night action).Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
We have "hour of the rat" and "hour of the ox" and rabbit as well though it's not clear what these mean.
My take is :
Ninjas kill during midnight - Rat hour, traitors kill before dawn but after midnight - so if a traitor is killed during midnight, he wont get a chance to do his night action?
Challenge : Louis VI the Fat
Vote : Louis VI the Fat
Ok misread the clues I followed from Andre's write up.
Unovte: Louis VI the Fat
Vote : Tincow
Reason: "A samurai wearing full armor came near."
I believe this is a subtle clue - and since only 2 people- Louis and Tincow have a custom avatar with armour on it - on second reading I see that Louis is not full armoured an oversight given my eagerness - and I apologise for the challenge - which cannot be taken back. I believe there have been 4 before mine though.
However, given the dearth of clues gleaned from previous write ups I belive Andres is giving us a bone to sniff here. Therefore I join the vote against Tincow.
Andres' write-ups tend to be chronological in nature, but I have never seen them be time sensitive like Reenk's were in Settlement. Andres often puts them in an order which makes sense for a storyline. Thus, if an order is submitted to kill someone who is themselves active, the kill must occur after the victim's action so that the victim's action can still take place. In most games, Andres tends to order the actions from top to bottom in the write-up, with the top-most descriptions being the ones that happened earliest in the evening. In this game, he appears to be doing the same thing with the addition of actual Japanese 'Hour' descriptions to make it easier to understand (and nicely atmospheric as well). I see no reason to suspect that this game has a time sensitive system on night orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpyang
Uh... I don't even HAVE a custom avatar. As a mod, I'm required to use the rogue one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpyang
I meant the one of the knight in full armour - on my display it comes up between Moderator and Bureaucratically Efficient.
I mean the URL avatar, had to check my user cp for the term.
I am unsure how to feel about this bandwagon on TinCow. Master will tell me whether to support or oppose or be neutral. :stwshame:
TinCow seems quite agitated...
Vote: khaan
Nope.
I have failed you, my master. :stwshame:
LittleGrizzly
3) What's with the LittleGrizzly clan? Why are they presumed innocent?
Ill explain again for those that missed it, i can't be bothered to redo the rp bit so just imagine a great story of heroic struggle from being a lowly samurai rising to the rank of minor captain in the service of our great lord.
Reenk publically posted (near the start of the game... round 1 maybe) first person to pm me i pledge my sword too... (or something like that) i pm'd him first and now he will vote and challenge as i tell him...
pevergreen accused me of being mafia in the thread, i made a role playing post back... and then he pm'd me apologised and offered me his sword also...
Umm... I don't think were presumed innocent paticularly... just no votes on me or reenk as yet...
Though the one i slightly wasn't sure about (pevergreen) has been killed and proven innocent... i thought maybe he saw this as a cheap way to stay out of the limelight...
Ohh and master commands that in the absence of a command to vote someone in paticular that you must use the great intuition that master instilled in you and pick a good candidate(~;))
Reenk knowing your master as well as you do who do you think he would vote for...
(this is the part where you come up with something brilliant for me to take credit for)
I don't see why TinCow's behaviour seems paticularly off... though i don't really notice his behaviour change when he is mafia so maybe im not the person to judge...
But do we have any better reason then he's being ohh so helpful... thats his usual style whether mafia or town... also i think thats somewhat off a bad long term strategy... keep lynching the helpful people... what are you left with...
Edit: err so im not joining the TC bandwagon but im sure im thinking of an excellent case... im thinking that i will hopefully post it soon through my loyal samurai ~;)
Nope is what you have to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I have failed you, my master.
The fact that a coward had to sneak in and kill you at night only proves what a legendary warrior you are. To afraid to face you in the battlefield they had to kill you without honour because unlike thier victim they are lesser men afraid to fight and die!
Fear not my fallen samurai, those that have taken you in the night shall be brought out of thier hiding and shamed... I shall take your sword and when those without honour are found I shall strike them down with your mighty blade as you would have done!
Reason: "A samurai wearing full armor came near."
TBH if thats your reasoning your case would probably suit me better... seen my avatar? an armoured up samurai with a huge 2 handed sword
I chellenged the dutch guy before my death, whatever came of that? :san_undecided:
I don't have a URL avatar either, or at least I've never uploaded one. If I had, it would be the avatar I use on every other forum on the internet:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpyang
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The reason TinCow is guilty is because my gut says he is.
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Originally Posted by Chimpyang
If your observation is true, then Olavi shouldn't have been killed at dawn, unless there is another party who gets a kill or Olavi wasnt a traitor.
ok a few posts that made me a little suspicious...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=808
'khaan everyone should vote for tincow
TC asked why, never got a response, made one analytical post and then said he doesn't have a custom avatar....
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=821
'Khaan TinCow seems quite agitated
Which he didn't really...
'khaan never even voted for tincow?!
Explain yourself or die!
Vote 'khaan
The stuff above was an attack on khaan rather than a defence of TC
Although Sasaki saying his gut instinct makes me wonder... he is a good mafia hunter..
Wishazu replaces Warluster.
:bow:
Well grizz...khaan is dead. And was going after tincow yesterday.
:stwmean: I eagerly await more of your lessons. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Master has spoken:
Vote: Shinseikhaan
Oh come on, why did you say that? I was already preparing a story about several samurai trying to gather the ashes of 'khaan to burn them again while the real lynchee was committing seppuku, all that under the puzzled eye of the as always calm and silent Shingen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
EDIT: :laugh4: @ Reenk.
Dudes, what's with all the votes on me? I was already killed. :inquisitive:
*ahem* Master has spoken... :stwmean:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury
You issued your challenge at night. Challenges must be made during the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury
Argh... dead. Strange strategy for the mafia to kill off someone with alow participation level. Also, it appears the great Tosa has turned me back from peverbrown a little early... :laugh4:
Crap, I'm really off today. :laugh4:
Unvote: The Late khaan
Vote: Abstain
Placeholder.
Any reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Asen
Between this and the suspicious communications Sasaki highlighted between you, Yaropolk, and Aggonyduck, I'm gonna have to
vote: Stephen Asen
Ajax
Actually, I remembered what I was going to do:
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Beefy
Vote:Abstain
Will vote later.
:laugh4::laugh4:
Ohh crap im an idiot...
Unvote
this does make the case on TC more intresting...
'khaan are you not allowed to tell us why you want us to vote for TC ?
Or is there another reason you want us to vote TC
There was another post which made me slightly suspicious... (not as good as that case i had on 'khaan though :laugh4:)
from QJC
Ok i looked back at the post and its not suspicious actually...
[QJC]
So the killers were bold enough to kill the Pevers, most of whom were in the spotlight, and would probably be lynched and killed off soon.
The killers can't be newbies, I just don't think they would kill people who are must likely to get the attention and help other people to hide themselves.
FoS: The people who publicly made threats to the Pevers.
True, but my thoughts is that most of them were threatened to be WoGed and lynched, so killing them seemed a waste of kills for the mafia team.
[QJC]
But i quoted it all to put forward a different theory!
the rule of fun... the mafia probably thought it would be quite funny to mass execute pevers, with all the annoyance and havoc they caused killing them off could very well appeal to someone with a bit of a dark humor...
That or one of the still living pevers got worried and tried to kill quite a few off in the hope the other pevers would just get forgotten about...
I didn't know that, and it's not patience, you clearly wouldn't of answered it if I hadn't brought it to your attention :7ninja:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
The primary case, in my eyes, is how much TC is unnecessarily focusing on the kills, methods on how they are done, and which time they are done at. It all seems helpful, but nothing comes of it - he doesn't follow each up or to their logical conclusion, instead skipping from one thing to another. He is quick to dismiss lines of thought about the write ups that are not his, while not actually addressing the point the person made.
Case in point - TC recently dismissed Chimpyangs case that the hours had something to do with how kills are done. It's possible, in fact highly likely, the separated hours indicate, since both are divided by their killer types (Hour of Rat kills are Ninja, Hour of Ox kills are traitorous Samurai), that Ninja's strike first, and if they kill a Traitorous Samurai, then that Samurai doesn't get his kill for the night.
Instead, he dismisses the whole thing under the rug as sheer implausibility while not actually taking into account another possibility.
Oh really? It's good that you noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I'd find it quite fitting that you first complained about the pevers, then killed them, perhaps you even coordinated it somehow, then said something intelligent about how there is no overlapping.
For now I'll
Vote: TinCow
Vote YLC
Challenge YLC I owe you for joining that weird 'pever cult':wink:
*sighs* Foolish one, I am Sanada Yukimura. I am the Crimson Demon of War!Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
So, I'm guilty because I've played several games with Andres and recognize a pattern in how he does the write-ups? Nice. Please explain how it is "highly likely" that Chimpyang's theory is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Let's see if I can summarize the votes against me:
Sasaki - Gut instinct
YLC - Gut instinct, being too helpful, and disagreement with my interpretation of the write-up
Chimpyang - I have a URL avatar that is in a suit of armor
Husar - pevers died and I was annoyed with them
That's an incredible case you guys have built. It looks more like you've all flocked like lemmings to the 'gut instinct' claims by Sasaki and 'khaan and only tried to look for something scummy on me afterwards to justify meatballing. If I'm the choice for today's inevitable bandwagon, so be it, but at least do me the courtesy of putting forth a decent argument.
:stwmean: Master is very humble :happyg:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Master has reason for everything he does. If Master votes for a dead warrior, there is infinite wisdom in it. We must learn the hidden lesson in such an action but to do so requires training. :stwshame:
Unvote :bow:
Now Master, my intuition which you trained me in using unfortunately has nothing at the moment on suspect. With that said my intuition which you trained me in using strongly says that TinCow is not Mafia. Of course, you think that also. I am very pleased that using my own faculties led me to same conclusion as Master. I must be doing something right in my studies, but it is all due to the greatest teacher. :bow:
If the argument is poor, why the vehemence? I for one, think it's the most sound case today, but that can change.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
And, again, your focusing in on one aspect of why I said your guilty - I said your unnecessarily focusing on the write ups without creating anything productive at all. Your being helpful, while leading us nowhere. Your focusing on something that won't vote you back for poor reasoning. Your focusing on specific aspects that do not help find any of the killers, and when an avenue is brought up that might find a killer, you squash it. And for someone who has played in many of Andres games, and for someone who is usually very timely in gathering a case and being productive in finding the necessary evidence, your sorely lacking in this game. Shall I start bringing up Ephesus? Or should I bring in your posts from Midgard Saga II?
I am not following Khaan or Sasaki's "gut instinct" do not assign that to me TC - I have a case, I've stated it, and will continue to push it until your proven innocent or when it becomes clear that there is a more viable lynch.
hm...?
vote:abstain
Vote Haudegen
Too quiet for my liking.
Objection!
(To all those who have posted during this day phase already)
I have to admit, the replies have lost me. If it is the Mafia-roles doing a confusion effort, they are doing a good job as I am confused and lost.
I am going to instate a new rule. When you post votes, you have to give an argument for it, then we work together on dealing with those who we have actually have a real reason to suspect, opposed to "he smells funny, I vote him!" "he posts a lot, therefore its him!" (posting they are a lurker is fine though). We need to break down sources into information, working at different angles to get a picture.
In my next vote tallies, I am going to do a heading called: "Objection!" this will list people who just randomly vote without a trace of common sense.
Edit: On another note, stop replacing people, Andres. WOG them. No one has a clue what sort of role they are and if you get them a Mafia-role for example, you are really working against the townies.
Hmm...it appears I missed a point TC made.
It's highly likely that Ninja's strike first because it makes sense, and it makes it easier to resolve to peopl from different families targeting each other. Add into this that the ninja kills happen in the "Hour of the Rat" and the Traitor kills happen in the "Hour of the Ox" - lynches happen during the "Hour of the Cock" and duels take place during the "Hour of the Rabbit", and we begin to see a pattern.
Thus, it appears we have 3 ninja still, and either the Traitor's alternate kills or one has already died. Another thing about Andres write ups is that roles are not revealed upon death and it's up to the town to speculate if they made a correct lynch based on the nights results.
Bring in whatever you want, I'm putting out the only useful evidence I see so far. As I previously said, I thought it would be useful at a later date to figure out exactly which kills were committed by which killers. That's been the objective of my write-up analysis so far. I see nothing remotely incriminating in the write-ups at all, so this is the extent of their usefulness in my mind. If you think I'm being unhelpful and leading us nowhere, then you presumably see something else useful in the write-ups that I am not discussing. If so, please enlighten us. If not, why aren't you also going after other people who have done the exact same thing, such as FactionHeir? Why are you singling me out?Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I apologize if you don't think I've produced anything useful so far, but I'm doing my best to pull something solid out of the extremely limited evidence that has been presented to us. I am not the Oracle, I'm not psychic, and I don't know the location of the Holy Grail. You'll have to forgive me if I don't manage to ID a mafioso for you in the second round of the game.
Actually, this is called "baiting", in the hopes those voted for will take offense to it and make themselves open to being questioned. Only when it is followed up with random votes following the same logic or lack thereof that it becomes bad. That's when you begin to try to put pressure on those voting nonsensically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
:stwmean: From notes of Master on the virtues and limitations of logic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Reasoning is too broad of a predicate to be of any use save rhetorical effect.
Logical thought is odd choice of words but logical inference simply deals with syntactic form and does not lead to truth or falsity of statements directly.
There is no epistemic difference between asserting incorrectly that a warrior is a ninja and making a valid but unsound argument that a warrior is ninja
:stwshame:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I agree that people need to put more thought behind thier lynches...
Admittedly i tried to lynch a dead guy but i made the effort to go out and make a half decent case
Im going to look into some of the posters in further detail
ok there isn't much about
Im going to vote YLC for surviving the pever massacare and his case on TC seemed... off...
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Gut instinct is a great reason for voting someone and the foundation of the game.
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
:stwmean: As master says Vote: YLC
Sasaki Kojiro and AggonyDuck: :2thumbsup:
Vote: LittleGrizzly
You are very determined to distract the town on the OOC pever issue...
According to my theory, N3 kills are in order or ninja, ninja, SK, traitor.
Ninjas killed the fake pevers while the SK killed the actual pever. Doesn't seem to be much risk of overlap.
vote: Stephen Asen
Because of his weird challenge on Ajaxfetish and because I think the bandwagon on TinCow is a bit absurd.
You are very determined to distract the town on the OOC pever issue...
The fact is the killers went all out for pever's and you and YLC survived (i didn't know you were the other surviving pever) it could just be random luck that youb two weren't killed.. off course its a risky strategy to do that as a pever but as with poker the bigger the bluff...
FH well it was kinda risky to go for a pever seen as lots of people were gunning for pever's... if the SK and Ninja aren't in contact (which i think we can assume) surely the ninja's could have decided to go for pevergreen or the sk could have targetted the same fake pevers that they did...
Personally i would have gone for someone else to make sure i didn't waste a kill...
I had enough of your baseless accusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I shall defend my honor with my sword.
Challenge: GH
I am most likely going to die if the duel takes place so heres my contribution.
As Split said before, the killers seems to be some moralists. Killing off lurkers, and killing off the pever brigade.
Any mafia vets will know that the lurkers are excellent lynch baits, or WoG baits. So killing them just seems to be against the basic idea. However I doubt any of the kills one done because of the lack of experience. As most of the gang seems to have more then two members. Whats the chance of both of them being newer players?
I say killing off lurkers strategy are done to enhance the mafia playing experience. To only let the active ones live so they can enjoy the game more. Those who are mad enough to do that kind of stuff is the extremely experienced players. Likely to have hosted a mafia games few times.
Therefore I think most of the killers are active, experienced and are mafia game hosts.
GH and Sasaki are my top suspects.
Also I just came up with the possibility of killers converting into peverism and then killed few of the pevers to make them look less suspecious. Thus YLC and Chaotix (I'm not sure if his still alive) can join in the list of suspects.
Thats my thoughts for now.
Chaotix is indeed dead.
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Ninjas have 2 kills each night so far, so it wouldn't have made much sense for them to go after the real pever and a fake pever with their intention (as per end comment). SK may have killed the actual pever for other reasons possibly - and maybe have expected the ninjas to kill the fake ones, without knowing them.
Also, since there's 4 ninjas (3+1), I wonder why we are not seeing 3 kills each night. Either they got another ability they are using, or they alternate as per my previous suggestion.
GH and Sasaki are my top suspects.
Off the top of my head... based on being very experienced players TinCow could probably go on that list as well..
Beefy i did kind of follow you line of though on the pever's, thats why i voted YLC, and the other living pever is Rythfelwyr (horribly misspelled)
Also, since there's 4 ninjas (3+1), I wonder why we are not seeing 3 kills each night. Either they got another ability they are using, or they alternate as per my previous suggestion.
Well in Midgaard there were three of us mafia but we only had 2 kills a night... of course the other option is a defender for the master ninja or some kind of detective ninja...
FH i get what your saying but there was a risk of overlap...
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)
I have taken this one out as Beefy challenged GH but didn't vote for him...
I completely agree, which is why I haven't put up much of a protest on that point. If all the votes against me were "gut instinct" I'd respond with a :shrug: and do my best to survive in other ways. However, your vote was the only true gut instinct vote. The rest all then tried to manufacture relatively flimsy excuses for their votes. That is, ironically, far weaker than just clocking it up instinct and leaving it at that. Needless to say, being confronted with growing bandwagon that included a "URL avatar" vote made me :wall:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Well now that you mention it...your avatar is an assassin...
Why, specifically, are you leaving out segments of my quotes? Any reason besides it leaves out clarification on your previous statements, and thus making the subject narrower and easier to handle?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I'll look at other suspects as well, but your here to be questioned and are always willing to answer.
So lets start -
Post 483
An attempt to analyze the write up - no issue here, normal townie behavior, even though you admit there is nothing to go on - Andres doesn't usually give ANY clues, if at all however.
Post 504
Again, another attempt to analyze the write up, yet your analysis contains faulty logic - your quick to assume and assign rational to Ichigo's vote, yet, if what you said is true, then it would, you know, make sense that Ichigo would either A) not make his case so early, and bide his time to find another, or B) bring his case forward to get the mafioso lynched - available doctors can then protect him.
If you make the argument that Ichigo would not play it that way because he likes to be random, then you can't assign any logic to his vote, since why he did is "random". You were looking for a way to make an easy case against someone and place a vote, even if the case was upon shaky ground, at best.
Post 566
Your previous attempt is foiled! AMG!! Because traitors and ninjas are not aligned? Wasn't this common knowledge? It was shown that the traitors were not only new to the game, but also independent of the ninjas in motivation. Your analysis was originally based on the assumption as well that the Ninja and Samurai operated as two separate entities. Hmmm...
Post 586
The main reason was that your case against GH was flawed initially - no one was going to follow it when it was based on a false assumption. But why jump on Sigurd specifically? I don't see a reason that would have negated you from not jumping on the "stupidly large bandwagon".
Post 596
You attempt to explain your reasoning for voting for Sigurd. It's fine as is, but 3 is a pressure vote? Not usually, that's more like it's under serious consideration by a few people. And Yaropolk was the only option? In a game with only half the people posting? They aren't lurking at all? No, but Sigurd is a strong player, and a good one at analyzing behavioral patterns. He is also known for being less active once killed off when not having a role, rather convenient, especially if he really is just to busy to come and post.
Post 601
You assert dueling hurts the town - no issue here, it's your personal opinion, nothing more, and it has a fair chance of being right.
Post 609
Asking for duel scores - can whatever they tell you be considered truthful? Won't trying to analyze what they tell and whether or not they are lying lead to WIFOM? How is this actually helpful, except to eliminate a target for the mafioso?
Post 615
Wow we move fast - first none productive and bordering on self-destructive, it can now be used to find mafioso! But wait, isn't that the opposite of what you asserted before?
Post 781
Pointless post made about eliminating players who annoy you because they changed their username. This one just simply smells scummy to me, and I can't quite articulate why.
Post 789
Whoops, dueling is bad again. You won't actively discourage it though, or create a process to control it. Hmmm.....
Post 806
You acting as if you had not read the write up, when, to assert that a large portion of the "pevers" were already dead, you'd have to read the write up. Your making a statement that you could have paired with Post 781, it would have been obvious had you checked the alive or dead list, and your running over something you asserted earlier and should be obvious - the ninjas are working together.
This whole thing feels sloppy and/or scummy. Also, anyone having pad attention will notice the groupings by which hour the kills take place, so this was, essentially, a null point your trying to make - your being idle while looking helpful, just as you were with the dueling, just like the round when Stephen was under pressure.
Post 817
First you state that Andres prioritizes them in such a way so that all night actions happen each night, which is technically impossible since in gaming terms mafia actions have a higher priority then non-mafia actions for ability resolution. But I digress - you quickly switch to the assertion that each is then order from top to bottom in chronological order. But if this is true, then that breaks the prioritization based on getting in all abilities - each hour set is dominated by one faction, not broken up so all act individually - there is to much consistency on how the kills are managed for it not to be a "Ninja's kill first, Traitors/SK's kill second".
And as the votes for me being a surviving Pever - your argument can be turned upon it's head and be stated that it was done to MAKE me a target. Indeed, by renaming myself "PeverYellow" to have some fun, I unwittingly made myself a target. And ask Pevergreen himself, I volunteered, that was all - I recruited no one, and was recruited by Pevergreen himself. And if I has used it to make it make me less suspicious, then I would end up only being made looking suspicious and attempting to use WIFOM - better kill him instead. Either case results in me becoming lynched.
I'd FoS you but that includes Reenk, and Reenk is at least being logical in following his "master", even if the reasoning is faulty.
Your missing El Daiblo's Challenge of me and my Challenge of TinCow, and White Eyes as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
You can FoS me without including Reenk... and if i do get lynched Reenk is a free samurai... or only in the service of Lord Takeda anyway...
And as an instruction to my Loyal Samurai if someone votes for me and i vote them back (whether i claim its a perfectly good lynch or not) you are to choose your own suspect...
Look it is a big bluff and i used one (with the help of TC) to win as mafia in Midgaard... if you can pull of the bluff it becomes your best friend... that being said it is quite early to pull such a bluff... but this probably was the only time you could pull off this bluff...
hmm going in circles... ill have a look at your case against TC...