Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[TinCow]

As others have noted, there is not much in the way of clues in the write-ups. However, it will be useful to keep track of who is killing who. Here's my stab at it.

First, the rules list the roles as:

- 1 ninja master - 3 ninja : they get 3 kills each night;
- 2 traitors (loyal to Takeda Nobutora, Shingens' father : they get 1 or 2 kills each night;
- Takeda Shingen : has certain abilities (secret);
- 3 sword masters: they protect Shingen at night;
- 1 shinobi : pro-town, secret abilities;
- 2 geisha: pro-town,
- 1 secret role
- samurai - regular townies - some of them are more experienced in sword fighting than others.

The ninjas and the traitors are our mafia, likely two separate families. The powers of the pro-town roles remain unknown, but it's possible that some of them can kill at night. There is also the secret role which could be a serial killer.

N1 Deaths:
Khazaar - Killer repeatedly called a "shady figure." Decapitates target and wipes blade on kimono. Likely ninja.
spL1tp3r50nal1ty - Killer repeatedly referred to as a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Likely traitor.
Lord Winter - Killer specifically called a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. Likely traitor. Worth nothing that Lord Winter was obviously a geisha, indicating that the town is down a power role right from the start.

N2 Deaths:
The Spartan - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Iskander III - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Shinseikhaan - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "warrior." However, the killer decapitated his target and wiped his blade on the kimono. This is very similar to the N1 Khazaar death. Thus, likely the ninja killer of Khazaar.
Olavi - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "dark shade." However, the killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. This is very similar to the N1 Lord Winter death. Thus, likely the traitor killer of Lord Winter.

Thus, we have 5 killers so far, 3 ninjas and 2 traitors. This matches the killing power listed in Andres' rules.

Ninja Larry: N1 - Khazaar, N2 - 'khaan
Ninja Moe: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - The Spartan
Ninja Curly: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - Iskander III

Traitor Dante: N1 - spL1tp3r50nal1ty, N2 - Did not kill
Traitor Randal: N1 - Lord Winter, N2 - Olavi

Two of the ninjas keeping quiet on N1 is not really remarkable. It is a common and intelligent tactic to intentionally refrain from killing. However, the failure of Traitor Dante to kill on N2 is interesting, as there are very few circumstances in which a mafioso will voluntarily not kill after he has started murdering. The usual reasons are (1) to make the town think he just died, (2) he didn't get his orders in on time, and (3) he was blocked. (1) is pointless this early in the game. (2) is unlikely since he was active on N1... usually people who are inactive as mafioso are that way in the beginning, not after they've already gotten involved in the game. That leaves (3). So, my conclusion is Traitor Dante was blocked last night.

We then have this post by Ichigo:

Vote:GH

This is not a random vote.

The above is explained if Ichigo was a role blocker and got a successful result on GH. Thus:

Vote: GH


[edit] Worth noting that Ninja Larry's kills are ambiguous enough in his identity that he could be the special role instead of a ninja. However, I will continue to refer to him as a ninja until more evidence comes up.

[Csargo]

As others have noted, there is not much in the way of clues in the write-ups. However, it will be useful to keep track of who is killing who. Here's my stab at it.

First, the rules list the roles as:



The ninjas and the traitors are our mafia, likely two separate families. The powers of the pro-town roles remain unknown, but it's possible that some of them can kill at night. There is also the secret role which could be a serial killer.

N1 Deaths:
Khazaar - Killer repeatedly called a "shady figure." Decapitates target and wipes blade on kimono. Likely ninja.
spL1tp3r50nal1ty - Killer repeatedly referred to as a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Likely traitor.
Lord Winter - Killer specifically called a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. Likely traitor. Worth nothing that Lord Winter was obviously a geisha, indicating that the town is down a power role right from the start.

N2 Deaths:
The Spartan - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Iskander III - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Shinseikhaan - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "warrior." However, the killer decapitated his target and wiped his blade on the kimono. This is very similar to the N1 Khazaar death. Thus, likely the ninja killer of Khazaar.
Olavi - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "dark shade." However, the killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. This is very similar to the N1 Lord Winter death. Thus, likely the traitor killer of Lord Winter.

Thus, we have 5 killers so far, 3 ninjas and 2 traitors. This matches the killing power listed in Andres' rules.

Ninja Larry: N1 - Khazaar, N2 - 'khaan
Ninja Moe: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - The Spartan
Ninja Curly: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - Iskander III

Traitor Dante: N1 - spL1tp3r50nal1ty, N2 - Did not kill
Traitor Randal: N1 - Lord Winter, N2 - Olavi

Two of the ninjas keeping quiet on N1 is not really remarkable. It is a common and intelligent tactic to intentionally refrain from killing. However, the failure of Traitor Dante to kill on N2 is interesting, as there are very few circumstances in which a mafioso will voluntarily not kill after he has started murdering. The usual reasons are (1) to make the town think he just died, (2) he didn't get his orders in on time, and (3) he was blocked. (1) is pointless this early in the game. (2) is unlikely since he was active on N1... usually people who are inactive as mafioso are that way in the beginning, not after they've already gotten involved in the game. That leaves (3). So, my conclusion is Traitor Dante was blocked last night.

We then have this post by Ichigo:



The above is explained if Ichigo was a role blocker and got a successful result on GH. Thus:

Vote: GH


[edit] Worth noting that Ninja Larry's kills are ambiguous enough in his identity that he could be the special role instead of a ninja. However, I will continue to refer to him as a ninja until more evidence comes up.

Your assumption is wrong. I voted GH because I haven't seen him post anything.

[TinCow]

Your assumption is wrong. I voted GH because I haven't seen him post anything.

Then why didn't you say that the first time?

[Beskar]

Well, put it this way. If your assumption is right, you just alerted him to all the ninja and he is going to get lynched. He is naturally going to say that you are wrong.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Speculating about who might have a pro town role is rarely a good idea.

btw Beskar...are you now voting yarapolk?

[Beskar]

btw Beskar...are you now voting yarapolk?

Sorry, just saw this statement. I am not, as I posted, I think there are enough reasons to bump off Stephen Asen legitimately. Very strong circumstance evidence is usually a give-away.

[Splitpersonality]

Regarding my death.

It seems that my assailant (and murderer) was someone who chose to attack, with little honor, while my back was turned.

Poisoned weaponry is that of the ninja, and a ninja disguised as a samurai would not be difficult to manage.

[FactionHeir]

TC:
My view on the killings varies a bit from yours.

My categories:
N1:
Khazaar - Serial Killer
spL1tp3r50nal1ty - Ninja
Lord Winter - Traitor

N2 Deaths:
The Spartan - Ninja
Iskander III - Ninja
Shinseikhaan - Traitor
Olavi - Serial Killer

So from my thinking, the traitor is experienced, the ninjas and serial killer are new players or TWC players.

[Beefy187]

Did the Ninjas forget to put their kills in for Night 1?

If so, we should invest in voting for the lurkers

[TinCow]

Well, put it this way. If your assumption is right, you just alerted him to all the ninja and he is going to get lynched. He is naturally going to say that you are wrong.

Obviously, but in a game this large, some of the pro-town roles are bound to be doctors. If he's pro-town, he's in no immediate danger, plus a dead mafioso is more than a fair trade for a role blocker. In any case, Ichigo's role is far from determined and it's a useful method to pressure him to give more information on his intentionally mysterious vote.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've posted a few times. I just don't RP well in mafia games. A lot of the game so far has been RP, hence I haven't posted.

[Beskar]

I think I found out why one of the victims have been killed, and a clue to who the killer is. All I will say, read a few of the comments during the night phase.

Also curse you all, I am meant to be doing other work, not thinking of why/what/when, damn distractions. :p

[Csargo]

I think I found out why one of the victims have been killed, and a clue to who the killer is. All I will say, read a few of the comments during the night phase.

Also curse you all, I am meant to be doing other work, not thinking of why/what/when, damn distractions. :p

Why are you giving vague hints? Why don't you just point them out?

Unvote:GH, Vote:Beskar

[Thermal]

Then why didn't you say that the first time?

It's Ichigo, like he even requires to be serious.....

A leader he may be
he runs so wild and free
but not into battle
instead making mere prattles
as he curses his generals to death.

vote:TosaInu

Intuition, and no better way to remove myself from the game early on than for voting for the site owner. But perhaps a mafia site owner?

[Csargo]

Then why didn't you say that the first time?

This is not a random vote just sounds so much better then because I haven't seen him post. Plus, I didn't think someone would misunderstand my vote.