Futuramafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Also, hooray, I don't have to throw a tirade about LoverBoy GeneralHankerchief being randomly bandwaggoned on the first or second day! :balloon:

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Instead, my shiny, foghat-gray, awesome metal ass was bandwaggoned on D1 and then killed on N1 for no reason (vote Riedquat the kumquat whil you're at it). How's this fair, eh? You explain it, meatbag.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i am not claiming that. I am saying possibilities that others have already said in hopes that people would actually start thinking of more reasons.

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So you are not disclaiming your earlier claims of being a vig, mmkay?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Instead, my shiny, foghat-gray, awesome metal ass was bandwaggoned on D1 and then killed on N1 for no reason (vote Riedquat the kumquat whil you're at it). How's this fair, eh? You explain it, meatbag.

So you are not disclaiming your earlier claims of being a vig, mmkay?

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nope. I am not

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

As in, his keeper? I'll have him if you want, but there's no cult in this game.

Fox, are you third-party?

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nope altho that thinking is good cause at least it's thinking.

i really am getting a towny monty feel. at least he's trying to figure things out

Hi, popping in to say that havn't really read about 80% of the thread and probably won't until at last tomorrow.

Soft claim not vanilla.
Hard claim not wolf.

Lazy meatbag signing out.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

And this only just occurred to you?

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it did not JUST occur to me. It occurred to me when she was revealed as Leela and there was only one kill
I could see Leela being a vig as she's good with a "hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-YA!"

http://orig00.deviantart.net/f036/f/...ey-d8s64e8.jpg

I never followed the show that much, but I do not recall her being Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

ahhhhh the ole "screw it" play

the windup and the pitch. good job

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Everyone has been tempted to make a vote like that at some time while playing mafia.

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Originally Posted by Newyn

Soft claim not vanilla.
Hard claim not wolf.

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I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I never followed the show that much, but I do not recall her being Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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https://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m...q9x8o1_500.gif

@Visorslash: why this comment of yours on this being a bad rôle for me, eh?

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

nope. I am not

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Great. Improve on your syntax and learn how to multiquote.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

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Originally Posted by Newyn

Soft claim not vanilla.
Hard claim not wolf.

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I don't get it.

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He's just sayin' he ain't no vanilla but certainly no wolf.

Right-o?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Everyone has been tempted to make a vote like that at some time while playing mafia.

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to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

as opposed to

"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"

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to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

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:yes:

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"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"

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:no:

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

as opposed to

"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"

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I didn't say it was good, just understandable.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

to yolo is one thing...to go "here's some things...aw screw it (i really don't have a good reason but when i say screw it that forgives all that)"

as opposed to

"Here are some reasons I think Fox is scum so will vote him"

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Eh? I gave plenty of reason. Didn't like that "Well, what if I'm not vig?" nonsense. Don't like that the thread gets cluttered up when you post bunches of one liners in a row when you could just address multiple points in one post. That plus the rather unreasonable irritableness that you display whenever I post in your direction. As far as I'm concerned, your style is basically raising a target running back and forth in front me yelling in my face "HEY WOULD I BE RAISING THIS TARGET LIKE THIS IF I WAS MAFIA?". Would you? I dunno, I never played with you. But I've seen it done before, because it's all a bunch of WIFOM anyways. So unless I see an actually good case somewhere, I'm sitting here.

Khaan STOP WHINING ABOUT OUT OF GAME THINGS AND ACTUALLY GIVE READS OF PEOPLE.

I SO WANT TO SHOOT YOUR ASS RTIGHT NOW

vote: seireikhaan

Pizza! Reidquat loves you too! Oh! And he is waiting the game you'll read him as town too, perhaps the next one?

Shut up Barto, you really don't want me dead, I assure you that! :P

As for content I don't have a clue what is going on right now, less yet with Newys's post... :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Khaan STOP WHINING ABOUT OUT OF GAME THINGS AND ACTUALLY GIVE READS OF PEOPLE.

I SO WANT TO SHOOT YOUR ASS RTIGHT NOW

vote: seireikhaan

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So we're back to this again, eh....

Riedquat is kinda wolfy

Not enough reads from what I remember

Fox, your attitude is absolutely bizarre, I don't understand why you keep reacting like this and what's with the whole vig but not vig thing?

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Khaan STOP WHINING

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It would not be khaan.

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

Shut up Barto, you really don't want me dead, I assure you that! :P

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Really? Why not, meatbag?

CrimsonFox right now is being like Reenk-as-Loki only without any of the charm or humor or social skills.

That said, it wasn't necessarily the right move to lynch him.

I've just come back from a 14-hour workday at two separate jobs, that's all you're getting out of me tonight. Will try to be on and contribute before the end of day crunch tomorrow.

CrimsonFox: is it possible that your sorry organic ass is of the third party persuasion?

I already asked him that, dammit.

Then it should be asked again, meatbag.

Saw a couple of things I wanted to address:

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Hmmm.... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Visor's Rise o' Teh Snek Cult. Got mowed by winston on the 2nd day. :laugh4:


Anyways, I'm starting to wonder if I didn't psych myself out on Fox. My initial gut still says he's too brazen to be mafia. But, then again, I've always said that the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe. Another part of me wants to lynch him just to hopefully reduce the postcount a bit so I don't have so much catching up to do after work. :shifty: But mostly, now I'm really not liking this flip flopping on your potential role. To reiterate Barto: Are you a vig, or are you not? That claim towards the end of the round... as I said earlier, brazen, especially with possible mafia buds to bus you. But, if you're neutral/independent, then that makes a lot more sense. Screw it,

Vote: CrimsonFox

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The bolded part is really bizarre to me. It almost looks like you're saying: my intuition tells me he's town, but if he was a really good wolf my intuition would be wrong, so I'm going to vote for him? Is that accurate? If so this is a new and exciting level of paranoia.

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Other notes: yeah sorry to say it, folks who aren't too familiar with, but I'm just seeing monty here. Now that doesn't mean too much, Monty's quite consistent in his own inconsistent way, if that makes any sense. Not a preferred target to lynch.

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I'll tell you why I'm still harping on Monty: even if this is his normal style, I think it's a style that works well for wolf play and not for town. I still don't know if I could accurately state his opinion on any other player right now. Like it seemed like he thought Winston was scum, or El Barto voters maybe? But he approached it in the language of hypotheticals and generalities, which is so convenient as a wolf because later on he can wriggle out of any accusations based on his opinions. And when confronted on it, the best he can give in response is an OMGUS vote against me? Like, my concern could be nonsense but if it is that's not clearly evident because myself and other players obviously don't see the logical problems with it. So then a helpful response is to refute it so I can right my thinking and focus on better targets. Or maybe my concern is valid, in which case, while I'll acknowledge that you're entitled to play according to your style, you couldn't just oblige me and commit to an accusation?

Speaking of which:

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

ahhhhh...now THIS is a USEFUL question...and if I can shoot tonight...
I have a lot of targets. too many targets.

Have a few townreads but really I'm still Bojack in the fishworld.
Trying to figure out how you guys play and I'm obviously a foreigner in that regard...(like Mick Jones)

Would probably be a low poster that pops in with a crappy vote on a Villa or else people that are posting yet not really hunting

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Names? The first one wouldn't be resolved until after the lynch I suppose, but who's posting but not really hunting?

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Originally Posted by Pelican

Names? The first one wouldn't be resolved until after the lynch I suppose, but who's posting but not really hunting?

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He might be referring to me, I've kinda been sheeping my way through the day (finally looked up that term, its really useful to know given how it sums up every game of mafia).

Caught up on D1. just read the last 2 pages now.
Crimson, can be resolved tomorrow. If he doesnt vig anyone tonight, he can be lynched tomorrow.

based on D1, i felt that Novice was being scummy. i will continue to catch up and also try to be here real time.

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

You want a commitment? How about I tunnel on you?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

You want a commitment? How about I tunnel on you?

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Define ‘you’, sir.

I want novice and choxorn wagons

Why do I feel like we're moving toward swapped styles here, Visor?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

You want a commitment? How about I tunnel on you?

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Ok, but isn't the whole point to suss out the wolves, i.e. to figure out people's alignments? So every stance that's not aiming to figure out someone's alignment is kind of irrelevant, unless it's part of a greater case that does take a stance on someone's alignment.

So I guess my question is how do the factual commitments you have made contribute to town's ability to figure out who the wolves are?

Official Tally

4 Montmorency (Pelican, novice, Dp101, Murska)

3 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Winston Hughes, khaan)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 novice (Visor)
1 Pelican (Montmorency)
1 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Stork (Cuthillius)
1 Winston Hughes (jht)

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3 Not Voting: atheotes, Newyn Riedquat

1 Not Posting: Choxorn

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Voting ends in:

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Why do I feel like we're moving toward swapped styles here, Visor?

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Hmm? What do you mean?

4 Montmorency (@Pelican, @novice, @Dp101, @Murska)

stop voting monty.

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Originally Posted by Pelican

So I guess my question is how do the factual commitments you have made contribute to town's ability to figure out who the wolves are?

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Cases cannot contribute without external information, primarily from lynches and night kills/deaths in juxtaposition.

Your behavior is a phantom case hiding behind that precise lack of information. The "not contributing" angle looks extremely bad as an argument, worse even than if you just declared a crusade on lurkers or something.

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So the actual content of the reads is not as relevant than the attitude with which the reads were made/the vibe?

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Live by your principles or die behind them, Mr. Crimson-looks-jumpy-plus-maybe-someone's-lying-low.

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Originally Posted by Visor

4 Montmorency (@Pelican, @novice, @Dp101, @Murska)

stop voting monty.

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i agree

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Hmm? What do you mean?

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I'm more the type to give 'recommendations' from the sidelines, while you are more proactive.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Cases cannot contribute without external information, primarily from lynches and night kills/deaths in juxtaposition.

Your behavior is a phantom case hiding behind that precise lack of information. The "not contributing" angle looks extremely bad as an argument, worse even than if you just declared a crusade on lurkers or something.



Live by your principles or die behind them, Mr. Crimson-looks-jumpy-plus-maybe-someone's-lying-low.

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That's something else. Someone called me "jumpy" early on. And then someone ELSE used that word to describe me as scummy. That's a big wolf tell for me.

You aren't my mum, I can do whatever I want. But, fine, if you insist, Vote: Riedquat

I think Crimson should never be lynched here, given the fact that that'll probably resolve itself over the next night or two. Then maybe, if necessary.

I'm willing to help run up vote:novice.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I'm more the type to give 'recommendations' from the sidelines, while you are more proactive.

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thats true. I am slowing down a bit, trying to not get super invested in games.

dp, the riedquat vote is fine

Vote Riedquat and Stork! Don't let Stork get away!

Focusing on crimson is a waste of time.

Either he's a liar and he's going to die later

or he's telling the truth and we'll know eventually.

Choxorn's content is (obviously) lacking and his early vote is kinda throwawayish for not really good reasons.

Novices angle of attack and pushes have just sort of rubbed me the wrong way in that it just feels scummy to me.

I don't get the monty wagon.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That's something else. Someone called me "jumpy" early on. And then someone ELSE used that word to describe me as scummy. That's a big wolf tell for me.

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That word in particular?

DP, Cuth, Visor,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

Riedquats lack of concern about the current goings on and more commentating after the fact is wolfy for him if i recall correctly

wagons of those three players i think is best today

we should always have competing wagons

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

DP, Cuth, Visor,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

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No, I am tired of it being a subject of discussion.

Shoot tonight, at one of the counter wagons perhaps.

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Originally Posted by Visor

dp, the riedquat vote is fine

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Thanks for telling me that I made an approved vote, I would hate to go against another player.

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Originally Posted by Visor

No, I am tired of it being a subject of discussion.

Shoot tonight, at one of the counter wagons perhaps.

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this

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Thanks for telling me that I made an approved vote, I would hate to go against another player.

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I am just saying i like the vote

no need to get snarky

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

DP, Cuth, Visor,

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

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What Visor said, I think your claim is decent and I wish people would actually talk about something else for a change instead of posting endlessly about the precise wording of your posts. I really don't like the people voting you.

Cuth
DP
Pizza
Pelican
Visor

Crimson

the rest of the world

novice
Stork

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I'd like to hear your thoughts about my role and discussions thereof.

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Why don't you volunteer something of your own? There's really not much to speculate that hasn't already been said, without adding multiple factions and exotic roles into the mix.

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Originally Posted by Visor

I am just saying i like the vote

no need to get snarky

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Sorry. I'm tired, and a full day of nothing but disscussion on the wording of a couple of role claim posts is making it hard to maintain good faith in players.

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

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Originally Posted by Visor

No, I am tired of it being a subject of discussion.

Shoot tonight, at one of the counter wagons perhaps.

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Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

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stork instead of ried

i think the ried reasoning is on the weak side

what's the case for chox?

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Originally Posted by atheotes

Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.

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aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Cuth
DP
Pizza
Pelican
Visor

Crimson

the rest of the world

novice
Stork

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You seem to have me near the bottom of your list

but you only said i am "a bit wolfish"

that seems odd

do you actually think i am a wolf?

the villager cuth i (think i) know would actually have and push this read

and you never responded to my question of whether you wanted to tdome

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Vote: Stork for not making this a Haiku. 2-5-4? What kind of syllable pattern is that?

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Crimson looks worse to me than Barto does, though I really don't have any good reads on anyone.

Vote: Crimson

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These are his two posts.

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

fair enough at least those are answers.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

What do you mean, if you can shoot tonight? Is there something preventing you?

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Yes. I cannot shoot all the time.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

The main thing false claiming vig is good for is drawing out a real vig.

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This....no this doesn't make sense. If i wanna draw someone out it's the cop or bodyguard or somethin.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

There has already been discussion. One is that you are Mafia and you/team did kill Bart, the one kill being because the Mafia team is the one killing. I didn't favor this view.

One possibility I mentioned now is that you aren't a straight vig role. That's a more interesting one.

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But my AHHHHHHHH was in fact about you being on the money here. I'm not a straight vig.

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

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Add stork. Maybe monty too, but seemingly half the town thinks he is town, so he might very well be innocent. On the other hand, none of those people were able to give much more of a justification why not him other than "it feels weird", so not sure how much those endorsements mean.

@dp, i just don't understand the monty wagon, explain it to me?

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Originally Posted by Stork

You seem to have me near the bottom of your list

but you only said i am "a bit wolfish"

that seems odd

do you actually think i am a wolf?

the villager cuth i (think i) know would actually have and push this read

and you never responded to my question of whether you wanted to tdome

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you are the bottom of the list

i actually think you are a wolf

i'm reining my posting back on purpose and not just spamming

and that's because tdomes are silly and not a ton of people here would probably go through with it

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Originally Posted by Visor

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

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I did not like Stork's shifting of votes EOD D1.
Also, whatever happened to BSmith wagon on D1? i dont think we had v/v/v/v wagon.
I dont have any opinion on Choxorn/Riedquat right now.
Vote: Novice

I am so pleased right now. This is what progress looks like.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Yes. I cannot shoot all the time.

But my AHHHHHHHH was in fact about you being on the money here. I'm not a straight vig.

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

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Kinda disappointing, I hoped you were something odd like vig half the time doc the other half, which would be a really interesting thematic choice, but this works too.

To Zach, please don't interpret the above as complaining about the setup, so far things have felt decently balanced.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

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ok everyone off of crimson

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

That word in particular?

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No any "odd" word that someone uses that is vague and kinda BS...and then when said odd word is repeated as fact, it's very scummy. very republican even.'

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

you are the bottom of the list

i actually think you are a wolf

i'm reining my posting back on purpose and not just spamming

and that's because tdomes are silly and not a ton of people here would probably go through with it

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Why is it silly?

if you are a villager and i am a wolf, its surely the highest ev play you can make because you always kill a wolf and you always clear yourself

the latter bit is unimportant

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Originally Posted by Visor

@dp, i just don't understand the monty wagon, explain it to me?

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I can't speak for the others, but I know I voted him because his reasoning seemed incredibly odd and he didn't appear to be attempting to actually pin down mafia and felt content to make general reads without committing to anything.

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Originally Posted by Visor

These are his two posts.

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

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okay

so let's not have him as one of the primary wagons right now

0 information

not unusually likely to be inactive scum

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Originally Posted by Stork

Why is it silly?

if you are a villager and i am a wolf, its surely the highest ev play you can make because you always kill a wolf and you always clear yourself

the latter bit is unimportant

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they drive away attention from everyone else

in the event that you are town it's really horrible all around

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Kinda disappointing, I hoped you were something odd like vig half the time doc the other half, which would be a really interesting thematic choice, but this works too.

To Zach, please don't interpret the above as complaining about the setup, so far things have felt decently balanced.

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lul?

you know ~no information about the setup other than your own role and that one vt and one non-vt has died and you are making a statement about the balance?

Though to be honest, Crimson, that sounds more like a potential Serial Killer.

If someone could find parallels in one of the wikis, that would be good.

I think johnhughthom is town

i would appreciate more cutting insights however

newyn and murska are kinda sketchy right now, newyn moreso than murska

feel like leaving them alone for now

i'm a little skeeved at winston hughes too

loltinfoil suggests winston/atpg/murska team and newyn is a villager

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

they drive away attention from everyone else

in the event that you are town it's really horrible all around

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ok, so do you actually think i am a wolf or not?

i was being coy obviously because i want to keep the wolves guessing and not play all my cards before getting actual reactions to things.
I got some but not a lot. But there's still enough people jupming on my wagon for weirdness.

oh yeah I want to revisit bsmith. I've extremely disliked a lot of his possts...

however...the one he made where he lectures me for 3 paragraphs about why i am irrespnsible for not using my vig last night and that every vig should always use it...that seemed somewhat towny and the only post by him i've liked (even tho it was muddied up but bitching about my posting habits...another moot point that people need to shut up about)

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Originally Posted by Visor

aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?

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x-post.

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Originally Posted by Visor

These are his two posts.

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

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I dont think it is enought to warrant a lynch today. Only conclusion is that Crimson and Choxorn are not w/w. If Crimson is resolved as town, then the possibility of Choxorn being scum is high.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

I can't speak for the others, but I know I voted him because his reasoning seemed incredibly odd and he didn't appear to be attempting to actually pin down mafia and felt content to make general reads without committing to anything.

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monty is rarely the kind of person to be a pinning down type from my experience with him