So that would make it @dur3x's turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
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So that would make it @dur3x's turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
I wrote Tonno, that it could be possible,but not certain, that I'd need a sub since I'd be back at home at around 12:00 (when my turn expired). But on Saturday morning I wrote a message in the thread saying to him to keep on hold because Dur3x for me was out,because maybe @Myth and @Nightbringer didn't notice, but on Friday I asked Dur3x to confirm whether he was playing or not within 12 hours, because if he wasn't goint to play we needed to know that before his turn happened in order to fin a new player in time (which was very important, because Egypt had still good chances to survive,and if we kept subbing Egypt it could have been too late 1 or 2 turns later to find a replacement if the situation got worse)Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603551
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He didn't show up within 12 hours despite being having connected to the forum and on TWC. And while I wasted hours in finding a new player, he didn't even took 5 seconds to write I'm in.
And he wasn't giving a reply (while he could) because he wanted first to see his turn first (and check if he had any chances, like Yuonyuon confirmed in his post):
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603558
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And I told Yuonyuon that if Dur3x is waiting to see his turn to confirm whether he'l play or not, then he's out.
Because playing only when winning is not correct towards other players who play until the end, even when losing (as also because leaving just when your turn comes up is extremely impolite and leave me in the situation of halting the HS until a new replacement is found, because leaving Egypt AI would damage everyone else).
And since everybody talks about the rules..I made very clear when people joined that everyone was expected to play until the end and not leaving just because losing or at first difficulty. And to facilitate that, I made the "decisive battle" rule to facilitate the way out (since it is a all in or out)
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Still, I played that save before Tonno made his subbing (so I used less time than him) and my message to him and the time of the save can prove it.
Anyone can download Tonno's and my save and check it out.
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From my understanding is if Durex didn t show in 12 hours from that message he was kick out , but in the same time Sonnet show up late(after 48 hours) after 4 players did their turns and still he have to right to stop the HS and make us all repeat our turns.
that what i call fairplay , and the admin agree?!
1-First ,I told everybody to wait. And you're purposely making things up, as I posted less than 24 hours between a post and the other. Why do you keep going with this lie of the 48 hrs? (I played the save before Tonno and in any case I posted it 16 hours later than him)Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
2-Dur3x didn't show up for 72 hours (since Wednesday. You said he told you (on Wednesday he wouldn't play again. On Friday you said he told he'll decide t play only after seeing his turn. I asked him to show up within 12 hours confirming if he was in. and he didn't. All this despite the fact that he connected multiple times and purposely refused to answer.
And you said you trusted admin's logic. But now,since you don't like the answer, you don't trust it anymore.
The funniest part in all this, is that you or anyone else don't get any penalization (you just have to play with my save which was played in time). You're just fighting to get an unfair advantage,because without it you feel you're lost.
@dur3x @LooseCannon1 @yuonyuon pls let confirm if you'll keep playing or not as soon as you connect and read this message
http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/...ash_rarity.gif
Please people, you're not making any progress like this - let it rest?
Invicta was wrong to try to enforce "his rule" on Durex but he had perfectly valid reasons to hold the turn assuming that he even did, as confirmed by admin - the supreme authorities on .org hotseating. Invicta states that he posted his save within his time frame. If that is indeed the case then there is no need for us to use the version where he has been subbed. Disagreement with this or his conduct regarding rules should be kept to PM.
Keep this up and you will not only bury yourselves, but the hotseat and any shred of dignity TWC main-area hotseaters still manage to cling to.
Nice off-topic stab at TWC.[/offtopic]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithridate
EDIT: No one should take this so seriously.
There was seldom a famous general in history who was not prima-donna. When this HS goes stale, these modern game-generals love to gossip about old dramas.
Leave the diva-queens to their bickering.
No we are making a very big progress here . don t you see?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithridate
Sonnet told Jiub to hold his turn because he might foul us by replaying his turn (and he was online when we all played , he could say something then) he just made a perfect turn in 30 HOURS (19 6:00 -20 12:00), i had 15 min. durex had 4 , all from my timeframe .because tonno post too late
but the good thing was that Sonnet played before Tonno and he didn t want to post because i don care ......... we have a schedule .last time i was forced to rush my turn when i pas 15 min on Emproment time .this time again .
i m not agree to replay . final .
why you didnt post the save it that is true , so durex can t see the save . so you may kick him and let tonno do the easy job . look we are not stupid here . at least loose and others know you well enough to detect this kind of crap
you see i dont mix in game situation with the ruling problems even they are 100% related with each other.
EDIT: lets put it this way , i might replay if durex will replay since i have no gains in the middle east .
i think now i m a reasonable person . but that depend on his decision .
You have to respect admin's decision. We all agreed this when we joined the hotseat. End of discussion.
you meant the rules . not admin , can t you see one admin said lets vote , and other say what invicta told him to say .Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
what do you mean by end of discussion , ok i end the discussion right now , now what ?? can t you see nobody wants to continue .
we can t end the discussion without resolving the problem . this is a big problem . are you not paying attention , you are part of this HS too .
You need to make sure then everybody has the facts straight. From my PM to you & MythQuote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
There's all the posts listed by their time of posting.Quote:
"Sorry, invicta did not post his save within the time frame he demanded. I played and post the save for him at 9:11 Pm friday night (my time) That's 2:11 AM saturday by UTC. His time to play & post is from
6AM to noon UTC Saturday. He did not post the save for Egypt until SUNDAY at 11:29 AM ( or 12:19 PM when he edited the post). Tonno had posted a save at 6:07 PM Saturday (or 6:16 pm when he edited the post). Tonno posted a save way before invicta (but late, technically a fine is due). In fact, dur3x, yuonyuon, Emproment, and Tonno (as HRE) had time to play and post a save for the next person. Fact is, he posted over on TWC (on July 16th) that he would not be able to play until Sunday so he obviously knew Tonno must sub. Then Tonno did a bad job subbing and he wants to post his save. NO that is not right.
And the screen shot of his message to Tonno about playing? The time of that message is 6:23 PM Saturday (in Ireland where he lives) so it's also way late. And later than the time Tonno posted the save."-Loose Cannon
Myth posted this after the end of invicta's time to play but 2 1/2 hours before Tonno posted the subbed turn. And, more importantly, almost a full day before invicta replied in the thread. But the amazing thing is that invicta could PM Tonno 12 hours before he posted in the thread~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
Yeah, like that has always happened~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
My vote is simple. Jiub is up. We carry on from there or I will quit.
I wish to inform you that I do not agree with this result. I do not understand why they still make the circus so that everything appears to be normal parameters until sonnet saw his result Tonno, sonnet's official subber. A little late but that's right nothing, I thought still to waste a night for not taking the time of other players, but unfortunately it did not matter at all. Sonnet told us it will not play as Tonno will take place, and after seeing the result sonnet came with all sorts of arguments totally useless, where his time was running out for a while. Nobody sees rules of this HS , which is a special one, against time and look like sonnet is trying to break the rules. It bothers me very much that no one take into account the rules and let admins should vote because it has no value and analyze the situation in accordance with the rules of the game which unfortunately are violated. But this is the world where we live and the rules are made to be broken.
LoL, Loose, we posted in the same minute !
My vote is simple too, France is up !
It also bothers everyone else that you three keep delaying the HS despite the decision of BOTH admins that we continue from Invicta's save.Everyone would like to continue the HS but you keep delaying it because you don't like the amin's decision.Admin is the ultimate authority and his decision should be respected.
I'm going to explain it to you in plain, simple English.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY HERE. YOU, (AND ONLY YOU) DISRUPTED THE GAME BY TRYING TO PUSH DUR3X OUT.You wanted moderator powers at TWC when you returned for your game. Poach, following the TOS turned you down so you ran crying over here. You accepted Myth & Nightbringer to be admins here. Instead of playing your turn you post bull crap about Dur3x quitting.
You were the first person to publicly claim to be quitting. Why are you still here? Did you find a replacement for yourself?? Tonno can take over the Turks when HRE is eliminated.
And Lord Luka the only person delaying the game is invicta. The admin's asked for a vote and we are voting now.
Maybe it would be good to calm down a little. Just an advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
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Looks like out debate is going on wrong side so i will propose a fair and honest option since is only turn 1
I PROPOSE A RESTART FROM TURN 1 !
but if we can t even deal with this problem i doubt we going to play clean the rematch . that leads me to think that we are done here .
Maybe you didn't read well.
Admins decision is: "go and read".
Respect it or GTFO.
I might have problems with it, but do you see me complaing? No, cuz I won't change it.
Do I feel like leaving, yes. But I wont.
So maybe, just maybe. GO and play your turn.
@yuonyuon will you keep playing? Simple yes or not.
Can you pls also ask Dur3x if he's leaving or not?
If not, can you ask when he intends to post his turn? (day and time).
@LooseCannon1 can you confirm whether you'll keep playing? Simple yes or not.
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i quit , also Durex and Loose quit , he told me in PM , so we all three quit . for reasons unknown by average people.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
ii will not post anymore or play in HS with these players > SONNET , TONNO, . and i don t remember insulting someone in here.so i got to go this is not for me
bye .
EDIT: i think i miss a line here. @sonnet i don t hate you at all . so don t think i made this decision being mad or something. i just anticipate that we are not going to have Fun here .
like you know me i m open to any kind of challenge . i don t have that loosing fear
Oh nice... I wasn't planing to go join TWC ever again, but now I am really considering it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
3 solutions:
1-We find new players.
2-We cut the map (Kwarezm-Cumans area gone, possibly Egypt too. Considering it's only AR battles, the AI will still pose a considerable
threat to Russian and Turks)
3- we start again with 10 players (same save) cutting the whole russian/kwarezm area, removing so TO, Kiev and Kwarezm. We can choose factions again as long as we can fit it in a reasonable time-scale
:D
For me number 3 sounds good enough. But we got to wait for other to see this.
Tonno, you are always welcome at TWC. No one has any problems with you and you've improved over the years as a player. Remember how you tried to give me all your lands in one of the first games I was in? That's what led to the creation of the "faction suicide" rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonno
But you're missing something important. Look at all the major arguments over there. Most of them consist of invicta vs Vasilefs, or invicta vs mordorru, or invicta vs. Mithridate, invicta vs. stouff, invicta vs me, and so on Now there have been other conflicts but do you see the one constant? After abandoning two games he set up last summer, invicta came back, replaced a player in an important medal game (Tyrants) and got in an agrument with Mithridate and Dr Mac claiming they were the same person (a TOS violation). He has since abandoned that game. Do you see the one constant?
Now, invicta, I turn my attention back to you. You tell me to post a one word answer to your "wall of text":laugh4: Sorry, but you are not a moderator in this forum. You, also, don't seem to understand that you are not an admin of this game. You had no right to demand anything of Dur3x . (Nightbringer edited his comment and he apologized). It is not your place to look for new players. it is not your place to "demand" that people reply to you and only you. You stroke the fires of discontent. Yes, I have told yuonyuon, dur3x, and others that I will quit this game. I'm quitting if the admins and moderators fail in their duties.
Hello.
I was invited to play. If this thing is still going on, i'd like to take Castile.
You keep making things up..the HS you're referring (about Tonno), it was Hurin who wanted to give up all his lands (to Desley, and you asked a share of it btw..), not Tonno (who was playing as Norway). You keep launching accusations without caring to check your facts straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=1#post9608640
Same goes for the rest of your post. But it won't bring anywhere.
@Auran :thanks, remember your turn will usually fall on wednesday and Saturday between 10:00-19:00 during which you're expect to play (within 19:00 pm, time in London, you'll have to translate that to your timezone)
My vote also goes for a full restart of the HS (from turn 44) with a mandatory faction change for everyone so that the diplomacy would reset too.I would suggest cutting out the Kwazies and Cumans from the map and deleting TO as a playable faction unless maybe @Myth would join too.He said at the start he would join the next HS.I would like to se how he would preform :). That way we would have 12 playes with each one having his own subber and Nightbringer could still be the admin.
It's fundamental to know, if we're going to restart, which players want to keep their factions at any cost (because it's your favorite or something of that sort).
I'm available to swapping and take whatever is left.
I'm ure Core-i7 wants to keep Venice.
I believe we need at least 3-4 more player available to swap factions (counting Auran is new anyway) to give a change to the game.
I vote for 2. This game is still good IMO. (and i want my kievan rus :P )
Of course, I don't see a problem in that. Even I had a huge argument with him, where I was really innocent, and cuz of my ignorance I lost a stack of pretty good units. I was rageing like hell since my punishment was over the top, and I repeat I was innocent. ---> You see there's nothing wrong with arguments if something is done wrongly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseCannon1
I don't support all his moves, or his leaving... most of the times I came to him and asked that he stays (it's not fair to join the game and leave it mid game- yes I am aware that admins can do wrong on anyone and then the only option is to leave). But when someone is right, well he is right.
Three persons you mentioned are KNOW cheaters and exploiters, if a new guy came to the HSing, and he said something against those three, I tell you now, I would side with him (that is before any arguments are made).
I really don't have much to add, it is simple for me: Everyone makes mistakes, that's where to real value of community comes out, is it a civilized democratic society, theocratic dictatorship or ego state.
EDIT
Thanks for the praise, but I didn't improve that much, I only reload like hell since it's allowed.
I don't like the idea of switching factions, but if some new players come, and the rest agree, I am ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Luka
Auran takes Castille, we only need 1 player for Egypt if we cut Kwarezm. Id say its better than restart the hotseat.
Would anyone be fine if Tonno takes Egypt and keeps playing HRE until one faction between the 2 dies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
If everyone agrees, and has nothing against it, we can keep moving.
Most important answers are from @Jiub @Gaius Octavius Caesar and @Core-i7-inside as they're the ones at war with HRE.
This way no one gets free meal and at the same time you'll keep fighting the same guy.