Andres, ye daft numptie, ye be sellin' oot cheap! A got four gold fer makin' an inconsequential pos' only yesterday!
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Andres, ye daft numptie, ye be sellin' oot cheap! A got four gold fer makin' an inconsequential pos' only yesterday!
"Argh, I wouldn't recommend this *Squawk*."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
Squawky Jim looked a bit sheepish.
"Turns out, I nearly died. *Squawk.*"
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Reading through this. Some one helpfully pointed out in the rules that not only does failure have a chance of being revealed but, but a chance of death also.
Lissa is being thrown in the brig.
Get your orders in vigilantes. This is important.
My N1 investigation told me that Kagemusha was guarding gold and Double A was putting someone in the brig. Nothing more, nothing less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Results are different if you investigate only 1 person.
@Csargo
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didn't you already say this in the thread? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Csargo doesn't trustthe faceless evilme or AA.
Why was BSmith tracked and then scanned? It's an odd choice, especially the redundancy/wastefulness of it.
Why has Visor not been scanned at all, and Double A not been scanned (was only tracked n1)?
Finally someone be askin the right qurstions! What be the Captain and his men doing?
Don't you consider yourself one of the Captain's men? :(
His Officers then. They be raking in the treasure with little to show for it.
What? All our actions have been put in thread?
What's your angle here mate?
@ Zack
Besides the fact that we're all statistically less likely to be mafia - our actions are generally always notifiable to the town - dunno what AA is doing at night - but I've claimed my actions and so has BSmith.
AA has zero chance of being converted, and NJ and myself extremely unlikely as well.
I'm fairly sure we're all town as well.
This is literally false. We've told you our actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
Unless I am misreading my role, I have to track them on a previous night before scanning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
2 people = track
1 person = scan
A person tracked one night can be tracked again later, which gives you a scan.
Aye. From my experience in the last game, the first scan on someone is a track. The second scan revealed their susceptibility to conversion. The First mate could scan 2 people per night, or one if he wanted to get straight to the second level scan. My question would be did Jim scan anyone else besides me last night, seeing how he had already scanned me the night before.
I highly recommend that the first mate scan our captain and quartermaster posthaste, perhaps the level 2 scan of Visorslash tonight, then the second scan of Double A (if that scan transfers from the previous first mate).
Zack, you seem well-intentioned, so let me just say: if you're town, you're not finding scum. I don't think Lissa's scum, and I know I'm not. This hyper-management direction of everyone's night actions is exactly why people mutinied against Kage. If you take your position as a leader of the town seriously, you should listen when people object to these orders and pick better targets. Don't think I'm trying to get out of a vig, because I'm jumping ship.
Personally, it seems to me like you're a maf trying to earn good faith with the town with these *gasp* uber-important vigkills on players who must totally be scum even though I'm jumping ship and Lissa's in the brig. If I were to bet on it, I'd guess that the vig on me is going to fail. There's dissent, and throwing your weight around isn't working as well as you think it is. Even still, I'm not going to cancel my order to jump ship, because I really don't think I'll ever get out of the spotlight after this. It's best if I leave now and save the town all the trouble.
Town: Don't go along with orders you don't believe in. You don't owe Zack your loyalty, and you are completely wasting your time by targeting me and Lissa. This arrangement is a perfect storm for the scum-- they've got 10 townies working for them to vig 2 players (both townies if I'm reading Lissa rightly) who are going to be incapacitated tonight anyway. This plan is not a townie plan. Find a better way to spend your time than following these senseless orders.
Re-reading that post, I realize that some of it sounds a little self-contradicting, so let me just stress my point:
Zack could be town. He could also be mafia. I don't have a very strong lean in either direction.
But, if I were a mafia trying my absolute hardest to distract the town from vigging French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design. There is no reason for you all to follow these orders.
* yawn *
Why should I? You're also not "statistically less likely to be mafia" either. You went after kage, for organizing. You were as well. You got Xiahou lynched, but unvoted before the round ended. I just think you've been scummy :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Double A just hasn't done much. Can't really tell much.
Yes, this is what bugs me. The level 1 investigation had already been used against you, yet Jim claimed that he could "only" scan you the next night.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSmith
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Originally Posted by NotJim
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Originally Posted by Zack
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Originally Posted by NotJim
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Originally Posted by NotJim
@landlubber This is so ridiculous I really shouldn't even dignify it with a response, but whatever. I'll humor you.
Why don't you think Lissa's scum? You don't think I'm scumhunting because you disagree with reads?Quote:
Originally Posted by landlubber
First of all, no it's not, go back and read the actual reasons I gave. Second, this is not like Kage's micro-management at all - he gave orders to every random person, I organized two vigkills (after someone else had already started grouping people for the two kills), asking only those who had already participated in previous kills to join in. I made it clear in the previous Day phase that I wanted all three of Lissa/you/spaceman killed ASAP, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that I took the initiative in organizing the hits. It's disingenuous to suggest the two methods are similar.Quote:
This hyper-management direction of everyone's night actions is exactly why people mutinied against Kage.
Leader of the town, me? What the hell are you talking about? I have not ever presented myself as such, and this is the first night I've even tried to organize something myself. For the most part, I've let others tell me who to kill and who to do it with.Quote:
If you take your position as a leader of the town seriously,
What better targets? Out of everyone I asked to participate, one person objected on nebulous grounds, which is NOT reason to pick a whole new target, no matter how much you agree with them.Quote:
you should listen when people object to these orders and pick better targets.
Claiming to, at least.Quote:
Don't think I'm trying to get out of a vig, because I'm jumping ship.
You claiming to jump ship and Lissa being thrown in the brig are not indicative of alignment at all. I don't understand your first point. Is everyone who's been organizing the vigkills up until this point scum too? Convenient how you only make that assertion when you're one of the targets, you were fine with it when you in on the action.Quote:
Personally, it seems to me like you're a maf trying to earn good faith with the town with these *gasp* uber-important vigkills on players who must totally be scum even though I'm jumping ship and Lissa's in the brig.
How noble of you.Quote:
If I were to bet on it, I'd guess that the vig on me is going to fail. There's dissent, and throwing your weight around isn't working as well as you think it is. Even still, I'm not going to cancel my order to jump ship, because I really don't think I'll ever get out of the spotlight after this. It's best if I leave now and save the town all the trouble.
Oh please, stop trying to pass off your attempts to save yourself as some great moral stand.Quote:
Town: Don't go along with orders you don't believe in. You don't owe Zack your loyalty
Killing scum is a waste of time?Quote:
you are completely wasting your time by targeting me and Lissa.
How does that even benefit or make sense for me as French?Quote:
This arrangement is a perfect storm for the scum-- they've got 10 townies working for them to vig 2 players (both townies if I'm reading Lissa rightly) who are going to be incapacitated tonight anyway.
Why, because you're a target?Quote:
This plan is not a townie plan.
"DON'T KILL ME!!!"Quote:
Find a better way to spend your time than following these senseless orders.
Oh my god, this hedging is absurd and not town at all. After your last post you're going to spout this obvious bullshit? Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by landlubber
If I was a townie trying my absolute hardest to vig French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design because it's in bold italics.Quote:
But, if I were a mafia trying my absolute hardest to distract the town from vigging French, this is exactly the kind of plan that I would design. There is no reason for you all to follow these orders.
oh well now i'm convinced, no need for any scansQuote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Especially since the officers have been so unfailingly competent. The Xiahou situation was handled perfectly and not mishandled at all. NotJim's actions haven't been inexplicable and he's obviously been a constant reassuring presence in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I'm not going to mutiny, because I think Double A is a fine captain, but he needs to either whip his officers into shape or replace them, because their old boys club is not cutting it. I suggest Montmorency and Ishmael as potential replacements for Jim.
landlubber sounds suspicious. For gold, I want to join a vig quad on him.
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Responses in bold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Be ye leavin' the ship as ye claimed in the QT or no', mon? Ye be makin' an awful lot of a racket fer someone wha could simply be already halfway to the horizon in this balmy night, laddie.
They should at least be replaced imho. The fact that neither Double A or Visor has been properly scanned is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
We's could hold a parallel election 'longside next phase. Anon-bindin' referendum as it were. People votes the names o' their favourite candidate in purple or tangerine an' then teh Captain has a guideline on who could be a better officer. O' course, this be meanin' tha' I could sell me vote more than once in th' same day. :grin:
Night 4 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.
Anyone with objections waited way too long to bring them up.
Yep, I immediately sent in orders to leave and never changed them. I'm still posting because we've done a disastrous job with our scumhunting so far. My vig is an example. I want the town to win, and I know my vig doesn't bring us any closer to that goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Night 4
As the Presence continued its northward sail to Nassau, some sailors were more optimistic than others about the course it was taking. It was as they all feared: the ship was tearing itself apart from within.
landlubber knew it was time to get off this boat. When one of the other crewmen, an influential one at that, makes an open declaration about his intent of killing you and actively recruits volunteers to aid him in this cause, it's usually time to abandon ship. It may have been a bluff, but landlubber didn't think so. In any case, he certainly wasn't about to find out.
The question was, how to play this? He had two choices: Fast, or sneaky. Being sneaky might give him a little more breathing room, but then again it could also cost him valuable time when trying to escape if people *were* coming for him. On the other hand, going fast would get him to safety sooner, but it also might force his attackers' hands... assuming they ever came in the first place.
What to do, what to do? Landlubber started sweating bullets, acquiring a large case of tunnel vision in the process. His entire world now boiled down to himself and his bag of worldly possessions, most notably his share of the loot from New Tortuga. Had lubber been slightly more aware, he may have realized that there were a few conspicuous absences from the crew quarters below deck.
It was time - there was no more sense in sweating and pulling it off. He'd had a fun ride, but now it was time to extend his lifespan. lubber grabbed his bag, and bolted upstairs. He chose "fast" over "sneaky", barreling through all obstacles without so much as a "sorry!" spared for people he ran into. He headed straight for the lifeboats (already with one absence)... and ran straight into an obstacle that didn't budge.
Five sailors, cutlasses out, greeted him with bared teeth, blocking his path to freedom. "A bit o' advice, lubber," one of them said, "ye may thought it was foolish of us to announce our intent in killin' you, but 'twas twicesame on your part to announce *your* intent in leavin' tonight. All we had to do was set up shop early and wait for you to come to us."
lubber desperately tried to run around them and reach the lifeboat, but he never made it. His final moments consisted of him bleeding out on the decks of the Presence, the ship he had been so desperate to leave. Perhaps death would offer more freedom - he would find out very shortly indeed.
Back below decks, Lissa was taking her impending demise with far more stoicism. "I've been waiting fer ya for a while now," she said, at present it not being certain if she was specifically addressing any one of the five sailors surrounding her bunk. "Ever since the second day, really. I got put in a bad position and ye never quite trusted me afterwards."
One of the sailors surrounding her responded. "This be odd. You're not putting up much more o' a fight? Not denying yer Frenchness or business with the Maven? Not runnin' for it like Ironside did a couple nights back or I suspect landlubber be doin' right now? Not beggin' fer protection from the officers or anyone else?"
"What be the point?" said Lissa. "Will anything I honestly say convince you to lay off and let me live?"
The reply was instant. The five sailors surrounding her all grumbled negatively.
"Well then, no sense in losing any more sleep over it than has already been done. Just know two things: One, I'd prefer it be quick. Two, I know all yer faces and will be haunting the lot o' ye for the rest of yer miserable kelp-stained lives, be they twelve hours longer or thrice as many years. Begone, I say, and after I be done with ye in life, then may Satan follow my example for eternity."
"LISSA, NO!" shouted another voice, desperately trying to reach her and save her in time. But it was too late. Undeterred by the curse she had just laid down on them, the sailors finished their job, ignoring the efforts of the newcomer to try to stop it. Afterwards, they retired to their bunks to contemplate the exact meaning of "eternity".
The next morning, Captain Double A gathered the remaining crewmen around his cabin, a grim expression on his face. "Right then, the news," he said. It looks like the number o' kills be increasing. We had two bodies overnight, landlubber and Lissa. Damn you all, we're supposed to be makin' progress, not doublin' the nightly body count!"
"Oh, look at our fearless leader, speaking about progress!" another sailor called back. "You be supposed to takin' charge and stopping this! Where be the long-promised postmortems anyway!" General murmurs of agreement followed this.
"As a matter of fact, I have the first batch right here," Double A said, "but it not be lookin' so good. TFT, seireikhaan, Kagemusha, and Ironside were loyal crewmen all and we be the worse off without them. Anyways, why am I still talking??! Get votin', ye rusty scuppers, and let's find that Frenchman!"
OOC:
First off, TFT's identity should have been revealed on D4 and not today, apologies for the confusion/delay. We should be up to speed with the post-death reveals now.
It is now Day 5. Voting will last until Thursday, October 8th, at 23:59 US Eastern Time.
Feedback PMs will go out shortly.
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Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3)
Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4)
Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)
Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2)
Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4)
Souls aboard: (19)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Choxorn
Csargo
Double A
El Barto
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Golden1Knight
Ishmael
Ituralde
johnhughthom
Montmorency
NotJimRV
Sprig
TheFlax
Visorslash
Zack
GH, "We had two bodies overnight, Double A and Lissa. Damn you all, we're supposed to be makin' progress, not doublin' the nightly body count!"
Dead Captain talking :)
Also, pretty curious about Lissa's death. Did one person try protection on her?
Damn, fixed. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprig
Also, all feedback PMs are now out. I'm slowly getting faster at this... :juggle2:
That was me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprig
I was curious if that would show. Chur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Shiver me effin' timbers, I's been robbed!
I tried to set up a real protection, but time was against me and the people involved didn't read the pms or didn't want to participate. That's understandable, but disappointing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprig
Anyone wiv any information on' the whereabouts of me dozen missin' doubloons be in fer a rewards. If'n ye returns the money freely then I has a job fer ya. Otherwise I'll jist be stringin' me cat-o'-nine-tails here in preparation fer what's ta come ta ye.
My bet would be on ATPG, but I don't have any info to say for certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
I thought she was genuine, plus it was almost guaranteed that Lissa would be attacked. Why not take a shot? Others didn't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Let me correct you. I did not give orders. I was asking people to do things, which most of them did not, as they told me they were doing something else already. Only you went conveniently berserk with your hyper sensitive reaction, which allowed Visor and his band to mutiny. Now look what you are doing. You dont have an idea if DoubleA´s officers or even DoubleA is French or turned one. Your two vig groups are failing to target anything other then townies and you arent catching scum during lynches either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
"My" vig groups? How would you even know anything about the alignments, anyways?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
And once again, you're misrepresenting my reasons for mutiny. It was not solely because you handed out orders, as you and others keep saying.
Zack, you were undeniably the primary organizer of those two vigs. You can pretend that you weren't a major player in last night's events, but you ought to take responsibility for your organization and promotion of those vigs. It's disingenuous to suggest that you had nothing to do with that.
I did organize the two kills last night, but I have not organized any other kills. To call them "my vig groups" and say that those groups have been "failing to target anything other than townies" (implying I directed those groups on more than one occasion) is wrong. It's also disingenuous to suggest only townies have been killed and lynched, because most of those alignments have not been revealed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by landlubber
Vote:NotJimRV
He should have investigated Double A or Visor immediately but he didn't. I find that disconcerting honestly.
Vote:Mutiny
Because why not? We don't know what he's been doing. He has not been cleared. I don't see the reason to not put someone else in.
Who would you propose as an alternative?
You, BSmith, or Andres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Well, that was odd. Someone left me gold, and I haven't talked to any of them outside of the QT Visorslash set up.
I will happily serve as First Mate, but I do not want the captaincy or quartermaster positions. I already did the captain thing last game, and I don't want to be quartermaster because I'd rather kill people than block them. I do not want those positions, do not elect/appoint me to them as I will immediately resign. As FM I'd investigate the captain and QM, then get on with killing people, so don't appoint me if you're not okay with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
I'm fine with BSmith being an officer/captain, not sold on Andres becoming one.
One thing that puzzles me - what's up with the Ironside thing? Why did he give the gold to his (attempted) killers? I and others were assuming it's because he's third party, but he was apparently a noble seaman, which raises the question of why landlubber didn't do the same thing? Either lubber wasn't actually trying to leave the ship, that bribe thing is exclusive to townies (which lubber wasn't), or it has something to do with Ironside having four attackers and landlubber five (though I don't know why that would matter). The way it's written, it seems like the kill attempt on Ironside succeeded, but he abandoned ship first, so I wonder why it didn't work out that way last night.
As in every phase: I be open ta any suggestions, includin' bein' paid ta vote fer meself (Csargo, lust ye fer a second go?)or others.
Please 'laborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Nah, we just gits 10 doubloons apiece fer a kill attempt. Right? 10 doubloons. Shiny, sparklin' doubloons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
afaik he's the only one who's been stealing. There could be more, but he's been the most vocal about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I'm not buying any votes today, sorry.
Nay, I have 11 of Ituralde's gold pieces that say I wasn't stealin' from El Barto. What do I look like, some kind of gold thief? The nerve of such an accusation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
PS Ituralde, I has your gooo-ooold.
I can confirm this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I would prefer yourself to andres. I am inclined to agree with you, if we have a suitable candidate for Captain that wants the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
I just threw out people who I find the least suspicious for various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprig
I would agree that it does appear that our leadership is not working that closely together. I will not support a mutiny at this time, but should it happen I will state fairly unequivocally that I do not want to be FM or Quartermaster, and have told our current captain as much.
But you would be captain? Csargo's post reminded me that you were scanned as town and not susceptible to conversion, so you would actually be the perfect captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSmith
I would not turn it down should it come to pass.
:laugh4: Zack was the big supporter of the mutiny with me - thought that was rather obvious by us both questioning you hard in public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
I did give gold to Gaius and Takh to support the mutiny though - I was probably the head honcho of it all.
Ituralde, were you robbed?
Gaius, Andres, and JHT - no more laying low. Given last night's activity, it would make sense to conclude that the French team has been spending most of its efforts on town group-actions throughout the game - but for some loose ends, namely you three.
It may well be that at this point the town offices or network ranks have been compromised by the scum, but until you three have been more-thoroughly accounted for, I can't countenance an internal inquisition.
And given these comments, Csargo and Pizza, you will find it useful to engage more directly with the over-group, regardless of how corrupt you judge it now.
Vote: Andres
Sae we can finally get Double A killed? A captain who told me to me face tha' he didna' care if I was robbed of me righftully acquired plunder an' blood-money? Any time! (an' I won't be chargin' ye a Csargo price)
I assume Csargo has been robbing me the last couple of nights
I can already see where the wind is trying to blow - and truth be told I can't summon up the energy to care. I think its wrong, and most of you probably believe its wrong, but christ if I just can't be bothered.
That Xiahou day just sucked all the fun out for me.
Wha' be ye talkin' aboot, laddie?
Can't you see it?
I didn't see it.
I can't believe it.
Oh, but I feel it.
Vote: Zack
Nope, I haven't robbed anyone. I've only tried to protect people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Night 2 was the only night I wasn't doing that. I was protecting my gold that night, because nobody decided on anything.
Might be Andres then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Why are you doing this now?
Doing what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
I agree. NotJim let the ball slip hard, and that doesn't fly with me. Unfortunately, I'm also pretty sure he's town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
There wasn't a single opportunity for me to turn French, by my reckoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Cause they haven't been cleared either?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
I believe I said I didn't care if you robbed anyone else, I just wanted to know what you were up to. Your rates for information were rather high (ie: anything at all) for someone who claimed to be concerned with finding the French.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
The last 10 minutes or so I've seriously contemplated resigning and sailing away with my meager patch of gold. Damn thieves.
But I'll stick it out, for better or worse.
I owe it to AA for giving me a position on a leap of faith so here goes.
I quite thoroughly believe NotJimRV and Double A are town. I've chatted with them a fair bit in private and whilst there is some lack of communication (mostly on NJ's part and I wouldn't be against him stepping down but heavily against his lynch) every chat with them has been free flowing and natural, neither have seemed like mafia in private - or in thread if I'm honest.
Now, NJ and myself can only be French if we were blind converted N1 or started French. I know I'm convertible because I'm the basic town role - no specials. The French have highly likely been sticking to group actions so far this game so conversion chances mean litle - but we also have had less chance than most to be converted and Double A has not had a chance to be converted.
NJ could've pushed a tiny bit harder to be captain and he would've got it. I did all the pushing for him and I don't even know his alignment - if he was French he could easily have gotten it himself. He also has a good tone and seems pretty unconcerned with trying to look good.
AA has already been mentioned.
That's part 1.
I think we agree on NJ stepping down - but I heavily believe him and AA are town.
I would like to move to First Mate and we can bring in someone else as Quartermaster.