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It has crossed my mind already that I might have not been NKed last night exactly because I would obviously tunnel you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suibian
But something something reverse psychology and if you were the last wolf I would kick myself if I second-guessed my read now.
I was going to vote you yesterday but the wagon disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Jokes on you that I would line up votes. That requires planning and I’m allergic to that planning in every area of life lol.
Ender - entirely possible I would leave you alive for that reason. I’ve done that before.
sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suibian
You had questions for me yesterday?
Your read jumping all over the place didn’t feel quite real, but shrug. I’m of the mind that if he wasn’t going to try as scum, he’d at least vote to help keep you from being limmed day two. I know I should not have faith in this because my entire read was based on what I think he’d do as scum and was wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, but I have a real problem thinking he’d keep his partner in jeopardy like that if he wasn’t willing to effort.
I do hope it’s cape in the end so I won’t feel like such an active detriment to the town though!
wheres your head at now suibian
I am afk saturday cause out of town
Ill play on Sunday
I think its cape but willing to hear people out, his reaction to being a wagon at eod was night and and day compared to his last game here where he was v and it felt like he had 0 urgency despite being fairly likely to die
Rask/suibian both have some rough posts wrt sleep but i like them more on posting than cape iyam, esp suibian (gonna re read a bit tho)
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Originally Posted by Gemma
Went back to make sure that earlier thought was a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
There was another vote placed on Rask in between these votes.
Does he just remove his vote from ender when his partner is a lead wagon and had been the previous day too? Really just want to say no. I truly hope no.
I am out and about
It isn't me
But I don't blame anyone who wants to vote me lol I played not so good
I do better when ppl are actually actively scummy and none of y'all are that at all
Uh I do not think it's Rask for the gesture of the last second switch even though it didn't count. But I don't think maf does that there
No idea who it could be, I don't know why the jump on Suibian
Anyways seeing a play so like cya all later
Oh and my busy work was kinda solving but my brain just couldn't say thoughts really I kinda wanted to just prod around for opinions on stuffs
K thx
pretty much where I am at.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
would explain a lot about the whole game.
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Originally Posted by Gemma
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Originally Posted by Sleep
Not real sure. I was kinda hoping you’d die last night so I could avoid that little rabbit hole lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
There’s a part of me that thinks if he played that way that his partner was not in the Poe and he trusted that they would take it home. But perhaps he was just busy and demotivated, and I shouldn’t read into things.
I hope it’s just cape, but I don’t trust me.
I dont get this feeling at all tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
You subbed in a tough spot and pushed a wolf. Why not played well (regardless of alignment really)?
Tbh this post is worse than anything suibian posted wrt sleepQuote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
And why id kill rask before suibian if its somehow not cape
the only part about my poe that changed is that ladd and visor are fully locked in.
Yea i mean cape/rask/suibian def wins the game but Id prefer to end it todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Jan
I have a somewhat problematic thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Talking game balance:
13-player Mountainous is a perfectly balanced game, right?
Let's say you add a 1-shot vig
How do you balance the wolfteam to make it work?
If you add a 1-shot vig and 1shot bp giver
How do you balance that?
Because both wolves so far have flipped goon.
Anyways enjoy your Saturday!
15er mountainous is generally considered balanced (so+2 vts)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jan
With just a 1 shot vig and 1 shot bpv id honestly give the wolves just a weak pr (role cop) or nothing at all
15 is balanced? nevermind then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
I grew up on the hard streets of Werewolf Village. But that very much removes the paranoia in my head.
I am usually a player who has strong opinions on game and I feel like I just kinda struggled this game getting into it tbh. And now I know the answer to that is a lot of the ppl who have been active talking were pretty much all townQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
I do not envy whoever the last mafia is. They are doing well whoever they are as I just have no idea honestly
Like visor is a more believable NK then Montmorency so I can think Ender/Visor aren't very tinfoilable actually
Also Ender was part of the reason why I voted Sleep though. But I would have pushed Sleep likely over anyone else that day anyways, even Rask.
this is where i am at too, i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Jan
Vote: cape
I am at a wedding for most of the day so will most probably post tmr.
Gotta say I think its Suibian for what Visor expanded on D3 and that EOD3. I actually voted sleep at eod because I thought she was scum so y.
I kinda agree with Ladd some of my posts about sleep and my progression on him kinda stinked but it is what it is and actually should be read more villa than anything else because whats the plan for wolf!me at this point heh. Tbh this is smh valid for Suibian D3 so I am willing to give her some space and will keep solving her and Cape whenever I have more time toDay. ToDay is not the time to look at a deepwolf possibility imo.
Anyway su l8r (drunk poasting for the lock clear baby, lettuce go :curtain:)
vote:cape
Visor gonna steal my credit for voting the last wolf first again smh
towniest to least towniest cape voters
Rask > Jan > Suibian (didn't like their hedginess on me EOD) > Sleep (obviously :p)
I'm kinda in a position to where I don't think it was a bus, if it was, well played
Vote: Suibian
Even though I think Sui has a lot of townpoints from how towny i have found some of their posts, no idea who they are other then Suibian in other news.
like Suibian EOD kept waffling on me and Sleep
I also respect Sleep's scum game, but I was also in a position of just finding everyone else pretty towny/null-towny
I think this game is fairly straight forward otherwise but fair warning to me being voted will only waste time, especially in a game where i dont think there is majority?
oh and I put rask over Jan because of Rask's attempted sleep vote at EOD that I just DO NOT think mafia would do at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
then again, the only unconfirmed on the sleep wagon to me is basically ladd who is also really towny
which leaves me with not a lot to even say
last thing
if you think that I just hard bus my mafia partner over Rask day 3, that's on you noobs
If you were buying what ender was selling, why did it take you that long to jump on sleep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Today was attack on titan day so no mafia.
Though I’m not real sure there is much to do.
I hope it’s as easy as it’s cape, but I’m not convinced.
Rask’s change of reads don’t feel quite real and the change on me felt a bit opportunistic, but his opening vote on me felt a bit like he really thinks the game is over after limming me. There’s a bit of fire in his tone towards me that I haven’t seen all game, and I don’t want to believe gira wouldn’t vote him on the day he was in trouble, but yesterday he did vote cape when he could have voted Rask instead.
Yeah I just hope it’s one of those. I’m not gonna spin my wheels though.
I don't think you hard pushed him yesterday, but even so bussing was probably the smart thing to do yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
I think sleeps death was always happening and if the wolf cared about winning they would at least try to get something from the death.
I am not certain if that something is putting on a show like Rask is doing today or simply placing a correct vote and praying for cred.
But unless you believe the Wolfteam to have given up complety by yesterday some sort of gain must have come from this.
Which is why I don't think Sui is a wolf unless the Wolfteam has silently conceded.
You can bring up levels of wifom here but I believe this to be a rather simple matter.
Yea i dont really think suibian is a wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by Jan
Their target yesterday for "pushing" wa visor..that was obv never gonna happen
Rask tried to push you which is a more believable push from a wolf who wants to open up the PoE
Or its just cape who "bussed" (he voted sleep at SoD, those are the most common w/w votes cause you distance early then give yourself the whole day to change your mind)
What specifucally did you like about visor case?Quote:
Gotta say I think its Suibian for what Visor expanded on D3 and that EOD3.
I think cape posted well since he subbed in to be clear but:
- the posts i find villagery from him are mostly the posts immediately after he subbed in and those are easy to fake. He also has a couple of p bad posts (yday eod, post about ender)
- suibian is the most villagery for me posting wise among rask/cape/suibian. Their eod yesterday wasnt great tho i agree with that
- rask has some really villagery posting but also some really bad stuff (+syn read there). Personally i think they are a villager after all cause of the good stuff but ymmv and they are def 1 of the 3 kills
- lastly, sleep+2 afk slots just makes the game have more sense than any other team for how d1 played out
Why torn if you were clearly leaning cape wolf over sleep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suibian
Re read a bit of d3
Think sui/rask are villas and cape is the wolf, i wont elaborate cause i am lazy
See you close to eod
Sui still my strongest v read among those 3
When sleep talked about them it felt very pocket-y and suibian has a looooot of villagery thoughts
Why did you think she was a wolf at eod?Quote:
Gotta say I think its Suibian for what Visor expanded on D3 and that EOD3. I actually voted sleep at eod because I thought she was scum so y.
Ender read was just based on sleep being a wolf afaict no?
You had suibian has like your top villa before eod
As*Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
That the read was 100% the opposite of mine (I was considering Suibian the least probable bus earlier D3). It was to be considered since he is villa :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Just it added up with what Ender was saying at EOD, and what Suibian was pushing me for at EOD too.
@Suibian: there isnt more than that really. Was chilling and started rethinking my vote after Enders last posts. It was more a panic feel I was maybe wrong in that tie voting Cape than anything else.
Gotta say i am leaning toward a Cape vote rn maybe. Purely because it feels like wolf!Suibian just played wifom and I dont feel like it.
Ill drive 5 hours and think about it friendos. Then prolly reread D3 and cast a vote.
Su
Not top villa Ladd, i have no time rn because i gotta go but will reply to it mid afternoon for you roughly. Check my iso though, guess u can see I ve been probbing her the whole D3 (will bring quotes l8r, really no time)
Alrighty thx for the answer
My doubt is more -
Suibian was pushing ~the same things as you at eod (sleep v, cape w) so i dont really get the face heel turn on them from your pov
slow day, guess everyone has been enjoying the weekend
don't really have a lot to add today
How d you order cape/rask/sui?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
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You could just act like it is 5 minutes before eod and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
probably in that order?Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
i think i am fine just killing cape and if we're wrong figure it out from there
not sure if rasks actions really make sense given his team, sui defending sleep so much is interesting, if only because it provides a counter to the barto argument
ya i dunno, i dont really see rask as a wolf eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I am a bit confused why suibian felt so strongly about sleep being a villager given they have apparentely historically been paranaoid of them and sleep was objectively underwhelming. So of all games to not be paranoid of sleep, this sure is an interesting one
but most likely its just cape shrug.jpg
imo sleep play this game is the kind of play where its more likely villagers fall for the "would they really post like this as a wolf" logic and get paranoid about them actually being a wolf while the wolf knows they are a wolf so doesnt give them the benefit of the doubt
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yeah it doesn't really make sense to me why they defended sleep (as either alignment tbh), (i guess as a villager they genuinely believed they wouldn't play a lower effort game as a wolf, as a wolf they did it to stand out as obv not aligned (ii.e. why would you do that as a wolf in that situation when you bussed barto))Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
yeah thats fairQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
though i do think most people just wolfread sleep anyway
I wouldn't sleepwalk into killing rask or sui if we are wrong today, worth being cautious about the wolf knowing two afk teammates
I agree Visor.
We should walk into killing Sui today =P
Jokes aside I don't really have much energy for this game this weekend. Been at family's today.
Also just want to kill Sui and think that ends the game.
COming back to your earlier post Ladd, hopefully it will help you solving me:
contrary to what you said Suibian wasn't my top villa read as you make it sound, I was rather trying to gauge for deep wolf possibility most of D3 (first Jan, later Suibian). Because as stated that day with a consensus POE of Sleep/Cape/me, I knew there would be one if it wasn't exactly Sleep/Cape (and if I count this right, 3MLs looses us the game, so since I am villa, I was trying to solve outside that POE)
This is me posting about a ping I had about SUibian that noone talked about. Trying to get reactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
This is me stating my position on the slot at the time (I had already made a post about it since I checked that EOD1 to see if what SUibian was saying - ie Jan convinced her Wisdom wasn't a good vote D1 - was real, since I wasn't around for EOD1). I specifically said that I'd consider Visor's read because I trust him as a good villager (might be my mistake tbh :curtain:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
This is me probbing Cape about a potential partner (literraly asking for spew, not in a very subtile way I concede)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Me calling out sleep on a mistake he made. Same, probbing Suibian for partnership equity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
This is me getting pinged by the very sudden suspicion from Suibian one hour before EOD (like why now? how the things she is saying makes me a wolf??? it's actually the opposite smh, it's very townie to be a chaotic agent readwise, simply because you don't plan them, you don't build them in a reasonable way like you would be tempted to do fakesolving as a wolf, you just have them processing what you are reading)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
This is Ender's post that was the catallyst of my (unvalid) vote switch. All the stuff that I had in mind suddenly went in order, and SUibian/SLeep was then the most sensible world there was for me at this time, so I tryed to flip wagons.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
All this to say SUibian has been an ongoing solving for most of that EOD, and wasn't certainly a top villa read to start with.
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Now that this has been said, I have found nothing to clear Cape either, as I have stated most of D3. I will be rereading it now to make my mind about this dome.
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I agree with Visor though, with 2 MLs allowed and only 2, if we fail today, tmr should be reevalution day, not just going through the current POE. Let's hope we nail the final wolf today though. :bow:
whoa wolfy wallpost :curtain:
As I was catching up I had pretty much decided I was going to vote Rask yesterday due to how strongly syn was pushing it, his read changes feeling off and my regret from not doing it the day before. But by the time I caught up he was no longer a wagon and it was between cape/sleep with me breaking the tie which made me feel more pressure to get it right. I did consider that regardless of sleep’s alignment maybe I should vote there anyway because he’d clearly given up, would be too busy to play the next day to turn around suspicion and maybe I was wrong. I did wonder if perhaps I was trying too hard to make him town when I shouldn’t be. If my reasons were dumb or if I was dinging my heels in because I was feeling a bit contrarian considering some of the case was based on us being partners. In that case then I shouldn’t hijack the day and not vote him for those dumb reasons, but then I thought about his post yesterday where he complained about getting tunneled a lot for dumb reasons, and I remembered that when I was reading through his forum posts to see if he was gira, it looked like he didn’t have a good time in his last game here, so then that made me feel bad and not want to vote him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
In the midst of me considering that maybe it would be better game wise to vote him, cape was posting so weirdly. While I did think he was more likely to be scum, he did have some townie sounding posts, which was also fueling my “maybe I should go ahead and vote gira” thoughts. I wondered if he was scum against town or partner and didn’t know what to do so was throwing a bunch of posts to make it look like he was doing something. I didn’t know what to make of it and it made a mess of what I was trying to decide there.
As far as why I lacked paranoia on him this game? I have been able to get to a mostly town read on him based on his thoughts and reads before. And my paranoia on him stems from how capable I consider him to be as scum. The games that I’ve gotten paranoid of him isn’t because he looks scummy for the most part. It stems from me thinking I’m being snowed. The game I had an innocent on him and thought he could be a godfather stemmed in part from a jackass who fake claimed masons with scum and a push that I thought could be scum motivated. So my paranoia is usually when he’s playing well and I worry he’s going deep. Here it was all because I know he can play well as scum that I thought even if busy, he’d be able to make minimal effort as scum that would help his team. And I think when you are super busy like that it’s almost easier to be scum because you can just make shit up instead of have to actually think. So I thought he’d feel an obligation to his team to help in some way rather than what he was doing here. While I was not paranoid of him this game, I did consider that my reasoning for the read wasn’t great since it was based on how I thought he wouldn’t behave as scum which is always dangerous.
Whoa that was longer than I thought. It’s a mass inside my head lol
*mess inside my head
Rask while it is townie to change your reads; it doesn’t mean all read changes are townie especially when they don’t read like real changes.
Vote: cape
alrighty thx to both for the answers
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Not sure ill be able to check back in
Go with god
Adieu
Vote: Cape
Partly because I just read that and partly because Sleep/Suibian would have just wifomed D3, so meh
furthermore, Syn's nk makes me think it was designed to frame me, and I see it much more as a Cape play smh. Throw in the fact most of the roster also thinks it's Cape, might as well listen to the good people. (I mean, they know how to do it, outside Visor and maybe Ladd)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
fall back made me think I had more time
well I will be here in the meantime, not sure doing "what?"
i think you go like Sui > Jan > ladd and leave rask alone when i die?
ugh sui doesn't even feel like a "good kill" here
i kinda like this postQuote:
Originally Posted by Suibian
but also kinda do not like it at all
Vote: Jan
well I dislike ur posting today so uh die
i would probably go Jan before Sui thinking just about who technically has more town points
anyways this is where i go get chili and if nobody shows up... idk maybe i will just kinda casually read Jan's logs like a book and preflip him because that's cool and not lame
a pretty darning VC for u palQuote:
Originally Posted by Jan
Going Rask over me because u wanted to set up a me elimination for later and go for the rask miscondemn
how poggers
i will say Rask saying the Syn NK is just an NK to frame HIM is wolfy but i will let that slide because im confbiasing myself into beleiving Rask's vote last second EOD vote on Sleep is town motivated
bonk if u dont beleive meQuote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
also that post is far better then anything Jan has done today
my dude is COAST CITY
All this setup on trying to get all of us to tinfoil VisorQuote:
Originally Posted by Jan
EnderWiggin can you believe this man, or should I say this Jan?
wolfy post also m'lordQuote:
Originally Posted by Jan