Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

vote: Sasaki

Just because I don't want to abstain.

I'm almost positive that Pever's having fun here. Its not something that totally surprises me if so. Reveal is bad, makes little sense, and he's behaving too goofy to be mafia. Folks, leave him alone and vote for someone who's actually been scummy; like, oh, Tiberius?

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

vote: Sasaki

Just because I don't want to abstain.

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Do you really mean to tell us you have no other suspects other than Sasaki? I said he seemed "off his game", not guilty.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

I'm almost positive that Pever's having fun here. Its not something that totally surprises me if so. Reveal is bad, makes little sense, and he's behaving too goofy to be mafia. Folks, leave him alone and vote for someone who's actually been scummy; like, oh, Tiberius?

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Regardless, it is proving to be a distraction. He is throwing a lot of suspicion on to Kag who might very well be innocent. Townies who distract the town in such a way end up helping the mafia. So they should be lynched. Do not keep them alive or they may very well try to distract the town some more with their bored antics.

Though it makes me wonder why your defending him. Are you protecting your scum-buddy?

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Do you really mean to tell us you have no other suspects other than Sasaki? I said he seemed "off his game", not guilty.

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Tell you, not tell us. Big difference :tongue2:
And no, I'm waiting for more night kill writeups before making any serious attempt at a vote as currently any vote is more likely to diminish the town's power by lynching innocents unless we have a really strong lead.

Besides, does it matter if I vote pever or someone else today? He's sure to be lynched anyway.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Do you really mean to tell us you have no other suspects other than Sasaki? I said he seemed "off his game", not guilty.



Regardless, it is proving to be a distraction. He is throwing a lot of suspicion on to Kag who might very well be innocent. Townies who distract the town in such a way end up helping the mafia. So they should be lynched. Do not keep them alive or they may very well try to distract the town some more with their bored antics.

Though it makes me wonder why your defending him. Are you protecting your scum-buddy?

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Because its a waste of a lynch to take out someone who we are almost certain of is a townsperson. Even an unhelpful townsperson is still a townsperson, and thus, we're only ensuring that we DON'T lynch a mafioso. Now if people had the sense to realize he was being a fool and nothing more, than he wouldn't be a distraction, now would he? That's sorta why I'm trying to get people to realize that he's not a detective, so we can basically tune him out.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Ichigo: Can you post the sentences where you found the missing letters in case I missed some?

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"Didd't adyone eber tell you dat the victibs are suppode to go quiedly?"

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Here.

:gah: I thought you had found more.
Ah well. Go with my list then. :yes:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Tell you, not tell us. Big difference :tongue2:
And no, I'm waiting for more night kill writeups before making any serious attempt at a vote as currently any vote is more likely to diminish the town's power by lynching innocents unless we have a really strong lead.

Besides, does it matter if I vote pever or someone else today? He's sure to be lynched anyway.

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Yes it is important to get everyone talking and adding analysis. If you keep sitting out, you deprive us of not only your analysis, but of the opportunity to analyze your statements.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Because its a waste of a lynch to take out someone who we are almost certain of is a townsperson. Even an unhelpful townsperson is still a townsperson, and thus, we're only ensuring that we DON'T lynch a mafioso. Now if people had the sense to realize he was being a fool and nothing more, than he wouldn't be a distraction, now would he? That's sorta why I'm trying to get people to realize that he's not a detective, so we can basically tune him out.

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Your right, mafia are priority. But after that, we should move on to unhelpful townies. People who lurk, abstain, or goof off are not making our job easier. So they should go if no better lynch subject arises.

And pever might very well be mafia. I personally doubt it but it is possible. Why are you trying so hard to convince us he is a harmless townie?

I found them first though...

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Your right, mafia are priority. But after that, we should move on to unhelpful townies. People who lurk, abstain, or goof off are not making our job easier. So they should go if no better lynch subject arises.

And pever might very well be mafia. I personally doubt it but it is possible. Why are you trying so hard to convince us he is a harmless townie?

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I'm pretty sure he's not mafia because when he is, he isn't this goofy; rather he tries to be helpful to some degree. When he's not get a role, this is what he has often done; playing for personal enjoyment before trying to help the town win. In Netherworld, when he was mafia, he tried to "help" lead the town in their efforts to win. Here, he's just being deliberately unhelpful; hence, I believe him to be just his regular, unhelpful self.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Yes it is important to get everyone talking and adding analysis. If you keep sitting out, you deprive us of not only your analysis, but of the opportunity to analyze your statements.

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I don't think you can argue that I have not contributed towards the town :yes:
If we keep this back and forth between us, then the real mafia gets a chance to lurk.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Your right, mafia are priority. But after that, we should move on to unhelpful townies. People who lurk, abstain, or goof off are not making our job easier. So they should go if no better lynch subject arises.

And pever might very well be mafia. I personally doubt it but it is possible. Why are you trying so hard to convince us he is a harmless townie?

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Because he is a townie.

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Originally Posted by FH

If we keep this back and forth between us, then the real mafia gets a chance to lurk.

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Much like you've been trying to do. Well, you've at least been trying to stay "low-key".

As for the lurkers, we'll go after them too if they don't get WoG'd.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

I'm pretty sure he's not mafia because when he is, he isn't this goofy; rather he tries to be helpful to some degree. When he's not get a role, this is what he has often done; playing for personal enjoyment before trying to help the town win. In Netherworld, when he was mafia, he tried to "help" lead the town in their efforts to win. Here, he's just being deliberately unhelpful; hence, I believe him to be just his regular, unhelpful self.

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And therefore, deserving of death.

(OOC: in mafia games that is :clown:)

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

And therefore, deserving of death.

(OOC: in mafia games that is :clown:)

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And that's unfortunately where you're wrong. This is quite fortunate for the town, because we can simply tune him out and leave him be. Why do the mafia a favor and kill someone whom we're quite sure is a regular(even if unhelpful) townsperson. Anytime you can get a near confirmation of innocence, its good because you can turn the lynch to someone who might actually be a mafioso.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

And that's unfortunately where you're wrong. This is quite fortunate for the town, because we can simply tune him out and leave him be. Why do the mafia a favor and kill someone whom we're quite sure is a regular(even if unhelpful) townsperson. Anytime you can get a near confirmation of innocence, its good because you can turn the lynch to someone who might actually be a mafioso.

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If you have a better target, I'd like to hear it. And I'm not convinced yet by the arguments against Tiberius.

Pever distracted the town and tried to throw suspicion on Kag, who might very well be innocent. We should let him live because?

Though I still keep wondering why your fighting this so hard...

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Though I still keep wondering why your fighting this so hard...

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Why are you? :shrug:

Even you don't think pever is mafia so why lynch him? The aim is to lynch the mafia so there's little point in lynching someone who is believed to be innocent. Thus, may as well lynch another possibly-more-helpful, but possibly mafia, 'townie'.

Tiberius blatantly ignored previous data given in two different posts to lodge a quick vote before soon disappearing into the background again to lurk. Further condemning, he completely mischaracterized CR's vote in an attempt to justify his own vote. What part of that do you not feel is scummy?

Btw, I could say that you're trying awfully hard to make sure pever DOES get lynched. The pendulum swings both ways. :devilish:

PK the Grand Inquisitor :clown:
You happy with khaan and my answers now or you want to continue to grill us and let some others get away with killing townies?
Those that don't reply to you are probably a lot more scummy.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

Why are you? :shrug:

Even you don't think pever is mafia so why lynch him? The aim is to lynch the mafia so there's little point in lynching someone who is believed to be innocent. Thus, may as well lynch another possibly-more-helpful, but possibly mafia, 'townie'.

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Because I'm trying to figure out why khaan is going so hard-corp on Tiberius but he gives Pever a total pass. At least be consistent...

And again, if there is a better choice than pever, than name it. Otherwise, cull the unhelpful townies from the group.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Tiberius blatantly ignored previous data given in two different posts to lodge a quick vote before soon disappearing into the background again to lurk. Further condemning, he completely mischaracterized CR's vote in an attempt to justify his own vote. What part of that do you not feel is scummy?

Btw, I could say that you're trying awfully hard to make sure pever DOES get lynched. The pendulum swings both ways. :devilish:

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If you don't know CR, he does come off as guilty at first. He fooled me in Taormina. I see Tiberius as just lurking right now. Go after him if he doesn't get WoG'd.

As for me, go ahead and swing that pendulum back if you think it will help you. Pever seems to be doing a good enough job getting Pever lynched. I'm now turning my sights on those who are trying to protect him and enable poor townie behavior.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

PK the Grand Inquisitor :clown:
You happy with khaan and my answers now or you want to continue to grill us and let some others get away with killing townies?
Those that don't reply to you are probably a lot more scummy.

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No I'm not happy. Both of you tripped off my radar. As for those who don't reply, we'll go after them soon enough when they don't get WoG'd.

Talking and analysis help the town. Letting this place stay quiet does not help the town.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

No I'm not happy. Both of you tripped off my radar. As for those who don't reply, we'll go after them soon enough when they don't get WoG'd.

Talking and analysis help the town. Letting this place stay quiet does not help the town.

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Tune your radar then.
As I said, there is no point is pursuing false leads which allow the true suspects to hide under the pretense of conversation going on.

And remember that GH said that just posting in the thread without voting abstain counts as abstain and won't get you WoGed.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Tune your radar then.

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Sorry, you'll have to do better than short, light, and fluffy comments to convince me your innocent.

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As I said, there is no point is pursuing false leads which allow the true suspects to hide under the pretense of conversation going on.

And remember that GH said that just posting in the thread without voting abstain counts as abstain and won't get you WoGed.

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Why are you so convinced they are false? Why do you seem to fear conversation? If your a townie, you would welcome discussion. You would welcome analysis and opinion.

Your attempts to solve "Da'General's Code" could just be an attempt to appear like your helping when your really not.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

If you don't know CR, he does come off as guilty at first. He fooled me in Taormina. I see Tiberius as just lurking right now. Go after him if he doesn't get WoG'd.

As for me, go ahead and swing that pendulum back if you think it will help you. Pever seems to be doing a good enough job getting Pever lynched. I'm now turning my sights on those who are trying to protect him and enable poor townie behavior.



No I'm not happy. Both of you tripped off my radar. As for those who don't reply, we'll go after them soon enough when they don't get WoG'd.

Talking and analysis help the town. Letting this place stay quiet does not help the town.

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I've named my suspects and, as it stands, none of them have done anything to convince me otherwise. You can look back for it though.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Sorry, you'll have to do better than short, light, and fluffy comments to convince me your innocent.
Why are you so convinced they are false? Why do you seem to fear conversation? If your a townie, you would welcome discussion. You would welcome analysis and opinion.

Your attempts to solve "Da'General's Code" could just be an attempt to appear like your helping when your really not.

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Nice try in getting some uncertainty into other people's minds with nagging questions, but they don't work. There is a limit to how much discussion is welcome and how much starts to harm the town.
That limit in my opinion has been exceeded.

I certainly do welcome analysis and opinion, but you must direct such works properly rather than analyze where there is nothing more to analyze.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Tiberius blatantly ignored previous data given in two different posts to lodge a quick vote before soon disappearing into the background again to lurk. Further condemning, he completely mischaracterized CR's vote in an attempt to justify his own vote. What part of that do you not feel is scummy?

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Tiberius acts like this in almost every game i've seen him in. He pops up about once per round and puts up either a random or bandwagon vote. I pretty much just tune him out, even though it seems scummy. I believe the only time i've seen him as mafia, he was trying to be active and helpful.

Vote: Beefy

Bold your vote please

Bold your votes AntiWarmanCake... :yes:

I will vote Ichigo

Reasons:

1. Methinks he is being 'helpful' to fool the town.
2. Now that LittleGrizzly's dead I need to find someone else to be the victim of my instinct.
3. Ichigo hasn't been mafia for ages, laws of probability dictates that he has to be one eventually... possibly now.

Laws of probability indicate nothing of the sort. Ichigo has the same chance of being mafia in this game as anyone else.

The chance of him not being mafia goes from say 19/20 in one game, 18/20 in the other game, gradually the odds would grow smaller, even though the probability in that one game appears to be random.

I think...

Why? Games do not accomodate for predecessors.

You can flip a coin 4 times and it might come up tails 4 times. The next time you flip it, the odds will still be 50/50.