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White eyes, this pointing to your past behavior actually takes away from your innocence. :no: Stop being mopey and vote FactionHeir. :whip: I'll be upfront with you, if we were to have the HOF vote now, I would vote you as best Gameroom player. Or I would if you didn't have the tendency to give up so easily. You would be unstoppable if you didn't do that. Now go, save yourself, you have been given a great opportunity! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
GH, yes.
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Originally Posted by LG
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Originally Posted by LG
Care to explain your thought process here grizz?Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
White eyes goes from "seem a good lynch" to "either scum or extraordinarily bad townie" to "not completely convinced of his guilt"--> is that really a reason for unvoting someone?
Boudica goes from "I think we should lynch boudica" to "Boudica probably innocent now".
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Originally Posted by reenk
......well you got me:shrug:.....I trusted a person who got results from a third person and all along I was the Godfather just hoping GH would get rid of my enemys....:smash: Even though on "The settlement" I never once revealed anything expect in public for everyone to see....:smash: I don't trust anyone hardly....and after this GH is so untrust worty to me...I well NEVER trust him again....It all began with just a harmless question...I was hoping GH would help but instead he backstabbed a fellow townie......which was why I released all the names....so he can't just knock them off if he wanted...:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
*sighs*.....You are going to spam my inbox till it is full Reenk.....:brood: fine, Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Factionheir reason? to save my own skin......happy?:no:
Yes, but we need one more on FH. I'd rather GH or Atpg go, but you gotta cut your losses. And I sent you two messages. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
For God's sake stop saying I backstabbed you. How about looking at it from my point of view for once:
- I've been stabbed over and over, especially in the past year. Plus, I've witnessed firsthand just how many "pro-town" groups have miserably failed.
- I get in contact with you, you who initiated the process, and now I get reassurance from Reenk that you are the type of person that would do this.
- During our chats, you're always afraid to make the first move. Constantly reminding me that we might die because Ituralde was found guilty. Asking me what I feel about Sasaki. Waiting two days, saying nothing, waiting for me to post my findings. Even now you still say nothing about Sasaki in the thread. What happened to your suspicion of him, huh?
So yes, you'll forgive me for my paranoia. Don't mistake me making a call that you're no longer to be trusted for stabbing you in the back.
As I'm getting angry, I'm now going to log off for the night. :bow:
Well you kicked :daisy: in "The Settlement" and I felt I could rely on you here.....but I was clearly wrong....your paranoia of "Pro-townie networks" was too strong.....Even though I never contacted anyone else who was innocent and toke your advice....If I was Godfather you would have been deaad pronto...:skull:
I sent a PM to White Eyes. I told him I thought he was innocent, and to please unvote himself and vote for someone else. He replied it wouldn't matter because "no matter what he does, he's a godfather". I replied I didn't care what people thought, I was willing to toss him a bone, and that if he would just vote for someone, say FactionHeir, maybe we could continue. He read the second message and left. If he and I were mafia together, this would be quite an obvious move, reporting this to you. If you lynch White_eyes and he's guilty, I made a bad call and you can lynch me.
He's not willing to save himself. I think it's clear, since we have only a few hours remaining. Please, someone vote FactionHeir so the vote...
nevermind I was typing this he came back. :wall:
Like I said, if he's guilty, I take the blame and I'm willing to die. Toss him one round of benefit of the doubt, please.
No matter what happens I am pretty screwed, and I don't care. I think FH is guilty, and if he's not, I'll look really bad. If WhiteEyes is guilty, and I defended him, I'll also look bad. Even if I am right, Reenk and some others will just accuse me anyway. I don't care.
FactionHeir.
It's true because it rhymes.
FH acts like he has this game all the time though. Now tell me this, if white_eyes was a townie, why would he be worried about being the detective's proxy in the thread? Now tell me, if white_eyes was a godfather, why would he be worried about being the detective's proxy in the thread? Then use Occam's razor.
Fine.
If he turns up innocent, I hope you consider FactionHeir as a suspect.
unvote: FactionHeir
vote: White_eyes
At this point, I'm considering you, Sasaki. You've been far too kind to me all game. I don't buy it anymore.
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White_eyes: 4 (GH,Sasaki, Diana, ATPG)
FactionHeir: 2 (El Diablo, White_eyes)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)
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Happy 6000th, to me.
Your the one who told me to fight....now your voting for me????Unvote:Factionheir Vote:White_eyes:D and I am VERY upset with you ATPG...Reenk never once gave up trying to defend me....but you just fall over like a crappy mat....:furious3: and I agree with Reenk....lynch ATPG, ASAP.....he wavers his vote swiths sides then backstabs me in the end.....bravo:thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I give up.
I don't care anymore.
unvote: white_eyes
vote: Abstain
I'd remind you, White_Eyes, that only the FINAL tally matters, and I wanted to see how you'd react to things.
No. I'm going to deal with this.
I'm sorry I listened to Sasaki over you, White_eyes.
unvote: abstain
vote: FactionHeir
It's no longer my call anyway. With White_eyes voting for himself and not much time left, you abstaining people have to make the call, or don't. If White_eyes goes down from a self-vote, that's no longer my problem.
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White_eyes: 4 (GH,Sasaki, Diana, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 2 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)
No, I still call for ATPG to be lynched....even if I tie it someone is going to backstab me.....:furious3: (Can't trust anyone in this game.....so good riddence...):whip:
I'm confused also, maybe this will be a mistake, but I don't think that any player that has a role(pro-town or mafia) would put a capper vote on himself/herself.
Unvote: White_eyes
Vote: Factionheir
:laugh4: That's gratitude for ya. I really, really stuck my neck out for you, White_eyes, when I could have remained silent and let you die.
I'll remember this next time I do you favors.
About 40 minutes to go, writeup won't come for possibly an hour after that, as dinner and doctor will come first.
As a note to you white_eyes, if you want to talk about backstabbing, take a look through my first mafia game here, CDTC.
I was selected as one of the three mafia dons, with GH and MRD (Major Robert Dump, cool guy :2thumbsup: as my luca and made respectively)
Night 1, my luca (bodyguard) dies. Night two or three my made dies. I get lynched day 3 or so.
There was a secret role that I was given information about in my pm. The Wolf. I was told that the Wolf was an ally of mine. To trust him etc. The wolf was Sasaki. He was the moderator at that time (which is why I said welcome back) so I listened to him and gave him the names of my made and luca.
As it turns out, his objective was to kill all the dons in the one night.
My role PM lied to me. Take that for backstabbing.
(And stop denying you are the wolf Sasaki!)
Are you guys all ignoring how Reenk, a confirmed innocent, accused GeneralHankerchief?
GeneralHankerchief who dismisses anything I say, because I'm scum, in the proces ignoring the fact that I'm interested in lynching the English mafia?
I tell you townies to lynch L_G. If he was innocent upon investigation, then he's the godfather.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Why should've the host given you the name of your killer, wouldn't that seriously unbalance the game?
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Originally Posted by Lord Winter
I have diffuclties lynching on a two sentences infalliable PM.
hmmm......your active at the end of the round....:inquisitive: Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Abstain I want to see want you will do......and who will say....."He's a Godfather he changed his vote.....":shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Winter
If it's a tie is it a double lynch??:book: or will there be no lynch???
He's a Godfather he changed his vote!Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Good move, boss. Let them string up that other Godfather, LittleGrizzly.
Congratulations, townies :bow:
Your not framing me Vote:White_eyes:D:furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Oh come on now, W_E, no one will believe you're my godfather. And if you would be a townie, then lynching yourself isn't a good move either.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
ATPG: Keep the pressure on me :grin:
As I pointed out earlier, I would be happy to post a role PM if I even had one. Failing that, its really just my word against yours, and its not going to get us anywhere.
Re:voting. I'm not sure what WE is doing. He's either hoping for a vote switcher role or he's suicidal or he's innocent.
Neither GH/WE nor Seamus seem to have explained why they publicized the N6 result yet though which is what I was asking earlier and seem to have been ignored.
*sighs*.....I am getting tired of this....but nothing I can do about it...Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:FactionHeir:wall:
N6 result?? what do you mean....??...I was too busy trying not to get lynched, and if no one else will do anything I can anwser that....:book:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
11 minutes too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
writeup coming.
Then it's a tie? or did I miss something???:juggle2:
The day had come to a close, and pevergreen had finished his beautiful chicken sandwich. (it was really good!) As he was brought the vote tally, his eyes flashed red.
"Didn't I say not to have another tie?"
"yes...I did. Whoever...created this tie. You shall suffer the blood of both men on your hands! :evilgrin:"Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
pevergreen pulled a knife out and slashed the necks of both White_Eyes and FactionHeir.
He looked at their bodies.
"Pity about Davey, I don't care for White Eyes though. His eyes werent white at all. What a liar."
"Whoever created this tie, -shut up ATPGuy, I was eating I didn't see!-, you shall also have an interesting day tomorrow. Thirteen people left really was unlucky. It seems 13 outweighs 7 in terms of luck."
Tomorrow. in adition to the normal vote for a lynch, Diana is a different vote. You vote to either keep her alive or kill her. She may not be voted for the normal lynch. The majority decision will deliver her fate. Please indicate your choice by
White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)Code:Life: Diana
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Death: Diana
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)
Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
Seamus
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
Sigurd
El Diablo
Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink
Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910
White Eyes
Factionheir
It is now Night 7. Orders within 23 hours please.
(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. :shrug: Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)
Time to eat more shoes APTG :grin:
Just FYI, the reason I asked about N6 is because I submitted that result (as per writeup) so Seamus is lying to say that he got boudica N6.
*note to self...kill pevergreen next time I am Mafia....by having his evil twin come and slam a car door on his head, several times....:evilgrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
:thinking2:
I feel much better now:grin2:
If this is true....then you would know who the third party is....who sent it to us...:grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Shoes?Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Care to explain more about the next part? Are you claiming that Davey was the detective?
If Seamus' reveal as the detective was fake, why didn't you say anything? Why didn't anyone pull me aside and ask me to change my vote or leave it on White_Eyes?
Now. I have a bone to pick with you two, and everyone who did not vote.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
It seems to me this line:
Indicates that the punishment for "creating the tie" falls on Diana, even though White_eyes actually created the tie. We will have to wait until tomorrow to see how many murders there were, and if it makes sense mathematically to lynch two players instead of one. However, I attempted to run the numbers, and I realized it was futile to try to do so. Unless you know which mafia family kills which player, when, and who gets lynched, you don't know if the extra player will come in handy or be a detriment.Quote:
(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)
You could take out two suspects in one round, but to me it seems to be a safer policy to let the mafia families kill one another off. Then you knock off half the mafia without even having to decide who was who... and you can decide which players remaining need to be lynched from there. At this point though, I am half asleep from my nap, and I need to crank up the thermostat and go back to bed. I'll ponder on this more in the morning. I'll end by saying I don't think another double lynch would be a good idea, and that's my opinion. I'm not thinking clearly, so I'll check to see if this makes sense after I get some rest.
At least I can find the sleeping smiley. I didn't know there was one. :sleeping:
By the time I logged on, the round was already over anyway (note WE voting a minute after me and being told off by pever)
Plus I wouldn't have voted WE because I thought he was innocent, so it would still be a tie or me ending up dead because you guys really like pressure votes when there's nothing to pressure about.
And yes, I was detective/roleblocker/protector
Shoes as in you were claiming to suicide if you got yet another townie/pro town lynched. Congrats :grin:
You were online today, were you not, FactionHeir? ANY vote would have saved your life.
Yesterday 18:58 (my time) you were active. But yeah, blame me. And you would have let yourself die because you think White_eyes was innocent, when you had a pro-town role. That makes sense.
You'll forgive me if I don't compound this atrocity of an error by suiciding or advocating another double lynch, and forgive me if I don't take all the blame. This time, you cannot blame me. I was not the one responsible. I admit my mistakes, this was yours.
Good night, and good luck.
At the time I was last online, I didn't actually have any vote on me. By the time I woke up this morning (i.e. 8 hours later), I was already up for the lynch without opportunity for vote change.
As I said, only voting WE could have saved me, but back then (and now still) I don't think GH's post would/should have warranted a vote on WE.
Given that then it was simply a bandwagon on WE, you'll excuse me for not jumping on it like the rest of you when I did not have a single vote on me.
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Originally Posted by LG
The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...
I really hope you turn up guilty...
I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...
Vote White Eyes :D
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Originally Posted by LG
My vote shall stay on White Eyes anyway... either scum or extraordinarily bad townie..
Boudica probably innocent now but sasaki is on my suspect list strongly still..
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Originally Posted by LG
Unvote White Eyes
Im not completely convinced of his guilt..
Ill default to my second best suspect... Vote Sasaki
Care to explain your thought process here grizz?
White eyes goes from "seem a good lynch" to "either scum or extraordinarily bad townie" to "not completely convinced of his guilt"--> is that really a reason for unvoting someone?
I was unconvinced by the White Eye's lynch, it all seemed a bit too easy combined with Reenk
protesting the kill, so you went all out and helped get a townie lynched! and i tried to lynch someone scummy instead... and i am supposedly the scum :dizzy2:
Boudica goes from "I think we should lynch boudica" to "Boudica probably innocent now".
Same thought process that helped me reconsider my position on WE, infact don't you constantly accuse ATPG of not re looking at his case, changing his mind to fit new circumstances...
I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...
Next round we should lynch Sasaki!!
The Wolf was given a choice: To aid the mafia victory OR to bring about that victory while taking out all of the other dons and claiming cdtc for himself. This was NOT an absolute for the Wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
I was never in direct contact with either GH or WE as that would have contravened the rules. Once WE tossed out all the info -- "spiting" the town does bug me by the way -- it just seemed to be more practical to reveal and get the info and sequencing out properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
As I have said, I have absolute trust in neither -- I just know they weren't grunts or SKs. The reason I picked TWO and not ONE was simple. I might be passing info to a GF, but the odds of both of them being GFs were really slim (2.63%), so I was reasonably certain that I was not giving my info only to the enemy.
Both cooperated on the destruction of Ituralde -- which does not preclude the possibility that one IS a GF and was gleefully killing a rival mafioso OR reluctantly sacrificing one of his own to retain cover.
I didn't betray any mafia in that game...was just bad luck the way pever's family imploded. Then when I saw he suspected me I sent him a pm in broken english with no caps claiming I'd betrayed him so that when he posted it in the thread as proof I could claim he made it up :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I doesn't look like your thought process was genuine. Explain the thought process please. You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent". Why would the detective results help? Godfather's turn up innocent. I think you got off the white_eyes wagon because you thought you might look bad if he turned up townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
O please Atpg, I can't believe you're making yourself out to be "right" about WE, when you seemed so unsure you unovted and voted him so many times. Had you not done that, WE wouldn't have gone bat**** crazy and would be alive right now.Quote:
You can blame White_Eyes for voting himself before the end of the round again. I was sleeping at the time. I would have broken the tie myself if I was awake, as I've been doing all game, to prevent a double lynch. Now I see I was absolutely correct to do so, as it did result in a double lynch. You guys can blame me for this all you like; I'm the perfect scapegoat. Just remember, every abstain vote, every lurking player, every single person who voted, you're all equally responsible. I am one vote.
And I honestly don't know what you were trying to prove, White_Eyes. I gave you a chance to save yourself, and you killed yourself, FactionHeir, and probably me in the process. The good Samaritan gets stabbed in the back. Truly, truly, I made a mistake when I listened to Sasaki, but that pales in comparison to your performance last round. After I saved your butt again at my own expense, you declared I must be lynched. Then, the person who was most responsible for your own death was you.
And FactionHeir:
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White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)
Who did you vote for, again? That's right, no vote. Why is any of this my fault? Explain.
Stop voting for yourselves, people. Yoyoma did this already and it proved nothing. White_Eyes did it, and unless I am mistaken, Davey is a pro-town role, is he not? So WE took down himself, an innocent townie (I was right about White_Eyes, Sasaki....) and FactionHeir in the process, the latter who did nothing to save himself, the former of which wants me lynched for trying to stop this nonsense. That makes even more sense. Are we not learning from our mistakes? If you're going to off yourself, don't wait until round 7. Thanks. And if you do, don't blame me for your own actions.
I also think it is interesting that you were the one who fell hardest for my FH trap. I never suspected FH, just put him out there to see which people would jump on my case as I am innocent and pro town. You fell for it.
Your constant vote changing, gunning for any target other than yourself, and then trying to make yourself look clean, have really opened my eyes.
Atpg is a better suspect now then GH.
Can't sleep... looks like 4 hours will have to do for now.
LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.
Sasaki: I'm not convinced by your case on LG. I rather think you could be a godfather or a henchman at this rate, there's no reason why not, and you're good enough to have avoided detection by being less inquisitorial over everyone and focusing on just LG, not to mention defending me all game (after round one). I appreciate the sincere effort, if it is sincere, but... methinks it's insincere.
@Reenk-
If you say so. I already stated that I'm not a murderer nor a godfather, and that you were a likely choice regardless of whether I was accusing you or not, and it would have been the perfect time to finally get me lynched. But we are just rehashing old arguments, and not adding anything new. You suspect me, that is fine, I can live with that. If I die, so be it. Clever tactics by the mafia this game.
I doesn't look like your thought process was genuine. Explain the thought process please.
If you are referring to WE it went something like....
Case and other posts made against WE, was pretty much buying it... i didn't have much else in mind apart from voting you so this seemed like a better option...
Several players jump on WE bandwagon easily and one or two people start to stick up for WE, i think im being led too easily and my vote will almost surely ensure WE's is lynched... so i have second thought and revert to my 2nd suspect...
If you mean Boudica it was mainly the detective result....
You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent". Why would the detective results help? Godfather's turn up innocent.
If someone comes up innocent theres is only 1 bad role they can have... Godfather... so if wen were going to stick with a mathmatical way of looking at it then boudica being cleared of being a henchman means she probably is innocent... as the chance of her being a godfather are quite small... so my statement is correct is you want to technically define the thing...
TBH i don't think she is a godfather....
As i see it i don't see why my mind changing on Boudica would indicate my guilt at all!
At worst because we both have innocent results... we are both godfathers... in which case i wouldn't know what boudica is so i wouldn't care to indicate her guilt or defend her...
In other words your battering a bit of a pointless angle with the boudica slant your now taking...
You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent".
If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....
If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...
The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!
LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.
Maybe its little unproductive... or maybe the town would have done a whole lot better taking my lead and lynching sasaki instead of an innocent townie and a pro town role!!!
not to mention defending me all game
Does this seem like sasaki to you... ?
or does it just seem like sasaki is trying to keep you onside...?
This is not sasaki townie behaviour!!
Doesn't seem like Sasaki to me at all. People can change strategies, though. I just would like to see more suspects than just you, LG, even if he does vote for you.
Happy birthday, by the way.
:balloon: :balloon2: :balloon3:
Happy birthday, by the way.
Shhh! you trying to get me lynched!! ~;)
thanks...
Back on topic... why would sasaki do this ??
We are down to a limited number of people... if sasaki can keep up the back and fore with me for a few days and use that as cover whilst the last remaining innocents are taken out...
Maybe he thought i would be an easy enough target in that i wouldn't put much suspicion back on him... or maybe he thought i wouldn't be a good enough lynch so i wouldn't attract enough votes and he could never be proven to be making a case against an innocent...
Whatever sasaki is up to i am getting very strong scum vibes from him... i will be genuinely suprised if sasaki turns out not to be scum....
Hmmm...going with Reenk and WE on this one...
FoS: ATPG and Sasaki
GH took a huge risk by revealing like that, but, if he suspected WE, then why not come out with it earlier? The longer the delay, the greater the decrease in victory if one is protown.
Still, lets lynch ATPG and keep him honest, eh? ATPG never shuts up, dead or alive, so lets be done with it! I want an ATPG I can trust :wink:
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I can see I'm not making much headway,which is why I dropped him and went for someone else yesterday. At this point it's pretty obvious that everyone is just skimming the back and forth between us, which is frankly ridiculous.
Would you just read this? How many times does he have to change his story before anyone takes notice?Quote:
If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....
If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...
The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!
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Originally Posted by LG
I questioned him on this, and he said:Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
So there was some main reason he decided that boudica was not a priority, and also those detective results helped. But when I asked to him to explain, he doesn't give a main reason, he just talks about the detective results. And if there's someone you think should be lynched, and they get revealed as innocent, then you want to lynch them more, not less. Because lynching the godfather is far more important than lynching a henchmen.Quote:
I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...
I pointed out that "not a top priority" and "probably innocent" are not in anyway the same thing. And he says they are. They aren't.
Now to get what I'm saying you'd have to read back over the post and you guys are obviously too busy. But LG is displaying the mafia tell that I call "lying through his teeth". Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices. That was also a lie. People who lie are usually mafia. Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up. I believe I'll make a grand summary, will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.
And pizza, remember rule #3.
In summary, I request that if you haven't carefully read the back and forth starting several days ago, you kindly stop ******** about it being a "way for LG and sasaki to hide". 1) it's very noticable, 2) As mafia it's not something I do and 3) there are MULTIPLE mafia families. In games with multiple mafia families, mafia try their BEST to lynch each other.
Put in the effort or don't say anything at all.
I say we resist the urge to go for the pizza man also, at least for the moment there is nothing to make us suspect him more than anyone else!
Seriously look at the first few rounds... if pizza is godfather he doesn't have a brass pair... it would be a solid diamond pair... of course he could have set it up because he's usually lynched and it needs to at least look close...
It would be way too ballsy a move for a godfather... though i guess i wouldn't rule him out as a henchman...
Edit: sasaki do you have to make your big case and post it whilst im constructing my post!!
Resposne coming below... give me like 10 minutes...
What White_eyes did is none of my responsibility, and none of my business. I was foolish enough to think his temper and his acting out and his suicidal vote had something to do with innocence. So I tried to get someone who was acting much more inconspicuous lynched. I was right about White_Eyes being innocent, and imagine that, FactionHeir had a role, too. And he could have stopped this, anyone here could have prevented this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Excuse me? You were revealed as a pro-town role, Reenk. Now you're blaming me for listening to you? And like I scolded YLC before for doing so, I came up with my suspects independently. Just because they coincided with yours, that does not mean I was listening to you (back then). I was making my own case and judgments based on in-thread behavior. I fell for nothing, and you just won't let it go that you got murdered, and you want to blame the person you've had the most friction with all game... which is perfectly natural, but it's not always the most productive idea. At this point, you've stopped caring about other suspects.Quote:
I also think it is interesting that you were the one who fell hardest for my FH trap. I never suspected FH, just put him out there to see which people would jump on my case as I am innocent and pro town. You fell for it.
Constant vote changing makes one look suspicious, and I did it anyway, with reasons. I gunned for EVERY target this game, including myself round one, and by asking for votes taken off of boudica when we were tied, and then sticking my neck out for white_eyes on a hunch that turned out to be correct.Quote:
Your constant vote changing, gunning for any target other than yourself, and then trying to make yourself look clean, have really opened my eyes.
Blah. This whole argument is pointless. I said I'd consider voting for who you called a suspect; factionheir. I can't believe I trusted you.
Relax, relax, just take a deep breath and listen to what I have to say:
LittleGrizzly killed me last night and he came up innocent upon investigation, which means he's the English Godfather.
He should be lynched. It's top priority. And no, the Irish mafia won't be so kind to kill him for you. Town should do its' own dirty work.
No, Atpg, did you even read my post. Because this is yet another misrepresentation, intentional or not.Quote:
If you say so. I already stated that I'm not a murderer nor a godfather, and that you were a likely choice regardless of whether I was accusing you or not, and it would have been the perfect time to finally get me lynched. But we are just rehashing old arguments, and not adding anything new. You suspect me, that is fine, I can live with that. If I die, so be it. Clever tactics by the mafia this game.
I am suspicious with the way in which you kept changing your vote on WE and then later claiming that you were "right" about him being innocent which is absolutely not the case, as your probably did more to damn him than anyone but GH. I think you took a wishy washy position to say you could be right both ways. :no:
Then I am suspicious of the fact that you went for my trap choice in FH. You said GH had no evidence against him, but then you went for FH who I just said something to the effect that I went "Hmmm." That is not a reason you would take to vote for someone.
Then you later made a case that Fh had no pressure on him conveniently ignoring the exact same is true for GH, who actually admitted this himself.
These are not rehashed arguments of getting me killed. That case is already self evident and has been made. Dismissing them as such makes you look more suspicious...
Re: lynching Atpg doesn't prove his innocence at all either unless pever confirms. In this game being killed or being lynched alone doesn't mean squat.
Right the wrongs town, lynch Aptg and GH both. :rtwno:
To me, it definitely seems like the former just cares about anyone but himself being lynched so he surpasses Gh on the suspect list.
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Originally Posted by Andres
Can someone tell me who or what Andres is and if we should believe him?
I was an Irish mafia grunt. On the night I died, the host sent me a clue about my killer. It was LittleGrizzly. Since he came up as innocent upon investigation, he has to be the Godfather of the English mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Lynch him.
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Originally Posted by YLC
As it is late in the game, and I offered to suicide if Reenk got lynched, and I invited death on myself round one, and in several other rounds, etc... I see no reason at this late juncture to throw the game away to satisfy the "must make sure ATPG is innocent" curiosity anymore. I am a viable lynch target next round, and I have no complaints with that. But at this point, the courtesy has expired. You either trust me or you lynch me. I'll not repeat yoyoma's and white_eyes' mistake. That's all done for this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
In short: Tough cheese. If town wants to lynch me, that's their choice. I won't shoot the town in the foot when we have viable suspects now. That was the reason why I wanted to die EARLY so I wouldn't have to deal with this *expletive deleted*
This sounds like you're baiting me. Every role in this game has had a name. It even says so in the rules. You're seriously not even paying attention anymore, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk
He's Joey, a named character from the play, and suspected mafia, since most of the other roles have been accounted for. Suspected Irish mafia, because his name comes from the play, whereas the English mafia's name does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Never trust Andres as a dead Mafia... :laugh4: LG maybe should get the axe after Atpg and Gh.
Atpg, you have dug your own grave by trying to come off as WE savior when in reality WE himself has contested that. You vote changing flies in the face of any claim you actually though WE was innocent. You merely piggybacked on the arguments of others. You fell for the FH trick, showing that you are basically willing to gun for any suspect. Deny it all you wish, the evidence is there.
Anyone find it odd that Atpg only unvoted for WE after enough unvoting of him took place? He was quick on the bandwagon and was online the entire time, just waiting for the perfect moment.
Re: Accusations of me gunning for one target. Actually 2, no 3. Also, pot meet kettle. :laugh4:
Re: Accusations of me not paying attention, please. :rolleyes: I've obviously payed too much attention for your comfort :wink:...
God damnit my case just dissapeered!!!
]dropped the mouse on the floor!!
Let me just say if i am english godfather than irish mafia would take me out tonight no questions asked, the fact he says they wont only proves his lie!
No need for the town to deal with me, as english godfather i should be agreat threat to irish mafia, with andres one of thier grunts confirming this to them they would take me out straight away
So one way or the other, if through my death or still being alive tomorrow... Andres shall be proven a liar!
now to make my case against sasaki... again!!
Yes, the "FactionHeir trick", it means: "If you vote a mafioso and your vote helps to get said mafioso lynched, then you will be lynched in the next round!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
:laugh4:
I bow for your skills, Don Roink :bow:
What I think is hilarious is that we still have 6 roles out there, with what, 11 players left?
Thats a little over a 54% accuracy rate on accusing someone of having a role, and a 36% accuracy rate on someone having a mafia role.
2 die tonight, which results in the chances of someone having a role varying from 44-67%, and being mafia 22-44%.
I find it interesting Sigurd hasn't been WoGged yet.
I find it interesting that LG won't stop acting like he is being persectuted.
I find it interesting that ATPG took my post seriously.
I find it interesting that Seireikhaan has been as helpful as the cat he tried to claim to be.
I find it interesting that FH claims to be a detective and voiced a concern about the N6 investigation, which is contrary to what Seamus and GH assert.
Reenk:
I'll paraphrase your sentiments from Godfather III: "It's a good thing you don't have a vote anymore"
Mmm... deliciously ironic. I was going to be your proxy vote, but after the FactionHeir debacle, and your single-mindedness about my death; whatever.
You were wrong about that too. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
And you weren't going to be my proxy vote Atpg, both of use know that. You are too opinionated to simply take someone else's word. Which is why the FH thing sticks out even more...
edit: Davey isn't Mafia any more than Donney is :wink:
My understanding is that FH said he sent the message, not seamus. But that doesn't mean that seamus can't have investigated boudica as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I said they had roles. I didn't say they were mafia. And, I said they were probably pro-town roles, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
And yes, I was wrong in Godfather, as you're wrong now. That was the irony I was getting at. Our positions are exactly reversed from that game. Now I know just how much of a pain in the neck I can be, if it is any consolation. Now you've misconstrued my posts as much or more than I have of yours, and we aren't getting anywhere. You say I'm scum, I say I'm a townie. Let the votes decide.
I was already CountArach's proxy vote this game. I asked GeneralHankerchief to give me a suspect earlier on, he declined. I have all but offered YLC my proxy vote. I basically DID proxy vote for you.Quote:
And you weren't going to be my proxy vote Atpg, both of use know that. You are too opinionated to simply take someone else's word. Which is why the FH thing sticks out even more...
All of these people can confirm it. Then, I tossed in my own suspects as well, because I am opinionated.
Talking to Andres with the Davey comment. Andres obviously is a master obfuscator after death as Mafia. Can we put mods on ignore. :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
For the second part: ~:grouphug:
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If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....
If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...
The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!
Would you just read this? How many times does he have to change his story before anyone takes notice?
It makes perfect bloody sense!!
Anyone with half a mind can't understand this so i can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse!
if i think someone is innocent they are not going to be my top priority for a lynch.... that sentence makes perfect sense... it would be stupid if someone i thought was innocent was my top priority for the lynch
If someone isn't my top priority for the lynch then i probably think they are innocent... that sentence makes perfect sense also... it would be stupid if someone was my top priority for the lynch but i thought they were innocent
So your going to have to explain yoyur confusion, its makes perfect sense to me...
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Originally Posted by LG
I still think we should lynch boudica...
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Originally Posted by LG
Boudica probably innocent now
I questioned him on this, and he said:
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I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...
So there was some main reason he decided that boudica was not a priority, and also those detective results helped. But when I asked to him to explain, he doesn't give a main reason, he just talks about the detective results.
The detective results were the main reason, badly worded i know. the rest of it comes down to the same reason i changed my mind on white eyes, seen as that worked out right for me with white eyes why not follow my gut on boudica too ?
if there's someone you think should be lynched, and they get revealed as innocent, then you want to lynch them more, not less. Because lynching the godfather is far more important than lynching a henchmen.
True they may be a higher priority lynch but they are also alot less likely to be any kind of scum if they could only be the godfather!
Ansd like i said it wasn't just the detective results... gut ect...
I pointed out that "not a top priority" and "probably innocent" are not in anyway the same thing. And he says they are. They aren't.
Sasaki continues to hammer on about this point even though i have clearly explained it 6 ways from sunday, he is not too stupid to understand my point, he is deliberately hammering it home in the hope someone will finally go along with his badly built case and forget my simple explanation
Now to get what I'm saying you'd have to read back over the post and you guys are obviously too busy.
Please I personally ask every innocent perso in this thread to look back over me and sasaki's exchange!!
You will see him produce a case far from his usual good standard, a case full of half truths flat out lies and quite simply terrible logic... way off sasaki's usual level of performance!
Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices.
They were bad choices!!
Reenk has since been proven to be town... so im making a bad choice by not voting this townie... LIES!
ATPG you have defended yourself... so im making a bad choice by not voting someone you belive to be innocent and who everyone else is voting for just because of pizza's usual wifom...... LIES!
That was also a lie.
LIES!
People who lie are usually mafia.
QFT!
Sasaki has repeatedly lied and spread half truths in an attempt to lynch me, Sasaki must be scum it is the only thing that can explian his strange behaviour this game!
I urge the town to read sasaki posts very carefully! see the repeated errors he makes!
Sasaki is very likely scum!
Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up.
This is wrong, it is infact your posts that have contained lies and misdirection!
will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.
Capped = Killed ?
It wouldn't be terrible if i did get killed, proving my innocence would go a long way to proving your guilt, a townie for possible scum is a fair trade...
I think you are the thing keeping me alive... mafia dont tend to go for suspects... and your keeping me on the suspect list so your keeping me alive...
Although if Andres was telling the truth i probably would die tonight...can't see why a mafia family wouldn't kill the other familys head... unless they are lieing!
find it interesting that LG won't stop acting like he is being persectuted.
I am bloody being persucuted!!
(in a im still having fun and not getting pissed off with the game kind of way incase anyone is worried about upsetting me)
One is Sasaki who for reasons unknown to me decided i was scum off misreading several of my posts and then maintaining that his reading of my posts was the correct one rather than my meaning behind them!!
And now some dead scum has decided he has it in for me for some reason...
All this and its getting to late in the game for me to just let myself die, i wasn't really paying much attention in th beginning but the innocents are going to be outnumbered by scum fairly soon, and i think we would be a lot better off is WE and FH fought thier case of innocence as much as i have mine!
Not to meation, no one has said who the third party is (meaning there both lying:no:)....and I think GH is a Godfather....why? well...like I told EVERYONE...the message system of which I PM'ed him three times, left him with the perfect scapegoat......and Sasaki and ATPG seem to be at the center of it...those could be his grunts....and well chosen as well...:sweatdrop: Sasaki also used the "Worst rule in Mafia" saying I was likely scum....and "swaying ATPG's vote" which is totally a Mafia partner in crisis....:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Reenk: :shakehands: ~:grouphug:
You're still awesome, by the way. Keep the pressure on me, too. I rather enjoy being hammered for a change. I applaud the effort. Just do me a favor and hammer other people too, that's my only request.
Edit: LG: Those posts are hard to read. Please use quote tags on dialogue that is quoted. Just higlight and hit the "word balloon" button.
I hadn't thought of that this way actually, good thinking Sasaki. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Btw, I still blame ATPG for voting me and not unvoting :yes: Especially because as I said I could not have averted it because I didn't have any votes on me before I went to sleep outside of jumping on a bandwagon on WE who already had some 7 votes on him.
In regards to suspects, I think GH, LG and ATPG are pretty high on the list.
Nope, Don Grizzly. If the English mafia is taken out, there's only one kill left each night. As it stands now, odds that you kill my Godfather are low. You do know it takes two attempts, don't you? Or are you a weak Godfather?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Of course, if the game continues, we'll eventually have to kill you ourselves. But if town is happy to let a confirmed Godfather run around freely, counting on the word of a dead scumbag that his living teammates will do it for them, well...
For all they know, you are MY Godfather :2thumbsup:
Most of this is true....Sasaki has been pushing for peole's lynchs....but not in the area of (ATPG,GH,Seamus) because he knows bring a case against them would be hard(or there his Mafia buddys)....Sasaki is just playing town:smash: you can tell by how he is playing...IT'S VERY BAD...not one scumbag lynched on his advice....Only, LYNCH LG.....and that's it...:shrug: it's like he is looking for a easy target to lynch....:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
I agree with your list there Faction Heir - Add Reenk Roink to it and I'd make a short bet that we have 4 mafia roles right there. Question @ Diana Abnoba (and this is purely an in-game question!) Has Askthepizzaguy been acting as if he's keeping something from you? :laugh4:
Andres then why should the town waste a lynch of me if your are not lieing ? surely the town should make you waste your kill instead ?
And this is the huge flaw in Andres logic, if i truely was godfather just kill me off quietly in a turn or two, announcing it to the town will make them wonder why mafia didn't kill him himself, there is always a risk your godfather could die.... but the fact is theres no risk from me... and am no godfather
Andres came in here to save one of his own from the lynch!
Theres too many holes in his logic for him to be telling the truth... hes encouraging the town to more useless lynches!!
WE im sorry i didn't believe you straight away, though i did take my vote off you before you were lynched!
But WE (a proven innocent) is 100% accurate on sasaki this game!
Leading the town astray, directing the lynches of innocents!!
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Originally Posted by boudica
This is shaping up to a fantastic finish though. :2thumbsup: Great game! :bow:
......Lynch LG next round....and then lynch Sasaki and if it still does not end....kill everyone else...:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Edit: I don't get it??? you think I am right but then I am not???.....
Are we so charismatic and forceful, dear Reenk, that the rest of the players must dig up ours bodies in some vain attempt to kill us again?
Oh Yeah! - sorry forgot you were MaireadQuote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
-On the Mafia game; Godfather 3Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
-On the Mafia game; The SettlementQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Winter
-On the Mafia game; The Fight for InishmoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
-People paying close attention on the mafia game; The Fight for InishmoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink