The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[LittleGrizzly]

I say we resist the urge to go for the pizza man also, at least for the moment there is nothing to make us suspect him more than anyone else!

Seriously look at the first few rounds... if pizza is godfather he doesn't have a brass pair... it would be a solid diamond pair... of course he could have set it up because he's usually lynched and it needs to at least look close...

It would be way too ballsy a move for a godfather... though i guess i wouldn't rule him out as a henchman...

Edit: sasaki do you have to make your big case and post it whilst im constructing my post!!

Resposne coming below... give me like 10 minutes...

[Askthepizzaguy]

O please Atpg, I can't believe you're making yourself out to be "right" about WE, when you seemed so unsure you unovted and voted him so many times. Had you not done that, WE wouldn't have gone bat**** crazy and would be alive right now.

What White_eyes did is none of my responsibility, and none of my business. I was foolish enough to think his temper and his acting out and his suicidal vote had something to do with innocence. So I tried to get someone who was acting much more inconspicuous lynched. I was right about White_Eyes being innocent, and imagine that, FactionHeir had a role, too. And he could have stopped this, anyone here could have prevented this.

I also think it is interesting that you were the one who fell hardest for my FH trap. I never suspected FH, just put him out there to see which people would jump on my case as I am innocent and pro town. You fell for it.

Excuse me? You were revealed as a pro-town role, Reenk. Now you're blaming me for listening to you? And like I scolded YLC before for doing so, I came up with my suspects independently. Just because they coincided with yours, that does not mean I was listening to you (back then). I was making my own case and judgments based on in-thread behavior. I fell for nothing, and you just won't let it go that you got murdered, and you want to blame the person you've had the most friction with all game... which is perfectly natural, but it's not always the most productive idea. At this point, you've stopped caring about other suspects.

Your constant vote changing, gunning for any target other than yourself, and then trying to make yourself look clean, have really opened my eyes.

Constant vote changing makes one look suspicious, and I did it anyway, with reasons. I gunned for EVERY target this game, including myself round one, and by asking for votes taken off of boudica when we were tied, and then sticking my neck out for white_eyes on a hunch that turned out to be correct.

Blah. This whole argument is pointless. I said I'd consider voting for who you called a suspect; factionheir. I can't believe I trusted you.

[Andres]

Relax, relax, just take a deep breath and listen to what I have to say:

LittleGrizzly killed me last night and he came up innocent upon investigation, which means he's the English Godfather.

He should be lynched. It's top priority. And no, the Irish mafia won't be so kind to kill him for you. Town should do its' own dirty work.

[Reenk Roink]

If you say so. I already stated that I'm not a murderer nor a godfather, and that you were a likely choice regardless of whether I was accusing you or not, and it would have been the perfect time to finally get me lynched. But we are just rehashing old arguments, and not adding anything new. You suspect me, that is fine, I can live with that. If I die, so be it. Clever tactics by the mafia this game.

No, Atpg, did you even read my post. Because this is yet another misrepresentation, intentional or not.

I am suspicious with the way in which you kept changing your vote on WE and then later claiming that you were "right" about him being innocent which is absolutely not the case, as your probably did more to damn him than anyone but GH. I think you took a wishy washy position to say you could be right both ways.

Then I am suspicious of the fact that you went for my trap choice in FH. You said GH had no evidence against him, but then you went for FH who I just said something to the effect that I went "Hmmm." That is not a reason you would take to vote for someone.

Then you later made a case that Fh had no pressure on him conveniently ignoring the exact same is true for GH, who actually admitted this himself.

These are not rehashed arguments of getting me killed. That case is already self evident and has been made. Dismissing them as such makes you look more suspicious...

Re: lynching Atpg doesn't prove his innocence at all either unless pever confirms. In this game being killed or being lynched alone doesn't mean squat.

Right the wrongs town, lynch Aptg and GH both.

To me, it definitely seems like the former just cares about anyone but himself being lynched so he surpasses Gh on the suspect list.

[Reenk Roink]

Relax, relax, just take a deep breath and listen to what I have to say:

LittleGrizzly killed me last night and he came up innocent upon investigation, which means he's the English Godfather.

He should be lynched. It's top priority. And no, the Irish mafia won't be so kind to kill him for you. Town should do its' own dirty work.

???

Can someone tell me who or what Andres is and if we should believe him?

[Andres]

???

Can someone tell me who or what Andres is and if we should believe him?

I was an Irish mafia grunt. On the night I died, the host sent me a clue about my killer. It was LittleGrizzly. Since he came up as innocent upon investigation, he has to be the Godfather of the English mafia.

Lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still, lets lynch ATPG and keep him honest, eh? ATPG never shuts up, dead or alive, so lets be done with it! I want an ATPG I can trust

It would be way too ballsy a move for a godfather... though i guess i wouldn't rule him out as a henchman

As it is late in the game, and I offered to suicide if Reenk got lynched, and I invited death on myself round one, and in several other rounds, etc... I see no reason at this late juncture to throw the game away to satisfy the "must make sure ATPG is innocent" curiosity anymore. I am a viable lynch target next round, and I have no complaints with that. But at this point, the courtesy has expired. You either trust me or you lynch me. I'll not repeat yoyoma's and white_eyes' mistake. That's all done for this game.

In short: Tough cheese. If town wants to lynch me, that's their choice. I won't shoot the town in the foot when we have viable suspects now. That was the reason why I wanted to die EARLY so I wouldn't have to deal with this *expletive deleted*

Re: lynching Atpg doesn't prove his innocence at all either unless pever confirms. In this game being killed or being lynched alone doesn't mean squat.

This sounds like you're baiting me. Every role in this game has had a name. It even says so in the rules. You're seriously not even paying attention anymore, in my opinion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

???

Can someone tell me who or what Andres is and if we should believe him?

He's Joey, a named character from the play, and suspected mafia, since most of the other roles have been accounted for. Suspected Irish mafia, because his name comes from the play, whereas the English mafia's name does not.

[Reenk Roink]

Never trust Andres as a dead Mafia... LG maybe should get the axe after Atpg and Gh.

Atpg, you have dug your own grave by trying to come off as WE savior when in reality WE himself has contested that. You vote changing flies in the face of any claim you actually though WE was innocent. You merely piggybacked on the arguments of others. You fell for the FH trick, showing that you are basically willing to gun for any suspect. Deny it all you wish, the evidence is there.

Anyone find it odd that Atpg only unvoted for WE after enough unvoting of him took place? He was quick on the bandwagon and was online the entire time, just waiting for the perfect moment.

Re: Accusations of me gunning for one target. Actually 2, no 3. Also, pot meet kettle.

Re: Accusations of me not paying attention, please. I've obviously payed too much attention for your comfort ...

[LittleGrizzly]

God damnit my case just dissapeered!!!
]dropped the mouse on the floor!!

Let me just say if i am english godfather than irish mafia would take me out tonight no questions asked, the fact he says they wont only proves his lie!

No need for the town to deal with me, as english godfather i should be agreat threat to irish mafia, with andres one of thier grunts confirming this to them they would take me out straight away

So one way or the other, if through my death or still being alive tomorrow... Andres shall be proven a liar!

now to make my case against sasaki... again!!

[Andres]

You fell for the FH trick, showing that you are basically willing to gun for any suspect. Deny it all you wish, the evidence is there.

Yes, the "FactionHeir trick", it means: "If you vote a mafioso and your vote helps to get said mafioso lynched, then you will be lynched in the next round!"



I bow for your skills, Don Roink

[ULC]

What I think is hilarious is that we still have 6 roles out there, with what, 11 players left?

Thats a little over a 54% accuracy rate on accusing someone of having a role, and a 36% accuracy rate on someone having a mafia role.

2 die tonight, which results in the chances of someone having a role varying from 44-67%, and being mafia 22-44%.

I find it interesting Sigurd hasn't been WoGged yet.
I find it interesting that LG won't stop acting like he is being persectuted.
I find it interesting that ATPG took my post seriously.
I find it interesting that Seireikhaan has been as helpful as the cat he tried to claim to be.
I find it interesting that FH claims to be a detective and voiced a concern about the N6 investigation, which is contrary to what Seamus and GH assert.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk:

I'll paraphrase your sentiments from Godfather III: "It's a good thing you don't have a vote anymore"

Mmm... deliciously ironic. I was going to be your proxy vote, but after the FactionHeir debacle, and your single-mindedness about my death; whatever.

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk:

I'll paraphrase your sentiments from Godfather III: "It's a good thing you don't have a vote anymore"

Mmm... deliciously ironic. I was going to be your proxy vote, but after the FactionHeir debacle, and your single-mindedness about my death; whatever.

You were wrong about that too.

And you weren't going to be my proxy vote Atpg, both of use know that. You are too opinionated to simply take someone else's word. Which is why the FH thing sticks out even more...

edit: Davey isn't Mafia any more than Donney is

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I find it interesting that FH claims to be a detective and voiced a concern about the N6 investigation, which is contrary to what Seamus and GH assert.

My understanding is that FH said he sent the message, not seamus. But that doesn't mean that seamus can't have investigated boudica as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You were wrong about that too.

edit: Davey isn't Mafia any more than Donney is

I said they had roles. I didn't say they were mafia. And, I said they were probably pro-town roles, too.

And yes, I was wrong in Godfather, as you're wrong now. That was the irony I was getting at. Our positions are exactly reversed from that game. Now I know just how much of a pain in the neck I can be, if it is any consolation. Now you've misconstrued my posts as much or more than I have of yours, and we aren't getting anywhere. You say I'm scum, I say I'm a townie. Let the votes decide.

And you weren't going to be my proxy vote Atpg, both of use know that. You are too opinionated to simply take someone else's word. Which is why the FH thing sticks out even more...

I was already CountArach's proxy vote this game. I asked GeneralHankerchief to give me a suspect earlier on, he declined. I have all but offered YLC my proxy vote. I basically DID proxy vote for you.

All of these people can confirm it. Then, I tossed in my own suspects as well, because I am opinionated.

[Reenk Roink]

I said they had roles. I didn't say they were mafia. And, I said they were probably pro-town roles, too.

And yes, I was wrong in Godfather, as you're wrong now. That was the irony I was getting at. Our positions are exactly reversed from that game. Now I know just how much of a pain in the neck I can be, if it is any consolation. Now you've misconstrued my posts as much or more than I have of yours, and we aren't getting anywhere. You say I'm scum, I say I'm a townie. Let the votes decide.

Talking to Andres with the Davey comment. Andres obviously is a master obfuscator after death as Mafia. Can we put mods on ignore.

For the second part:

[LittleGrizzly]

Quote:
If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....

If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...

The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!
Would you just read this? How many times does he have to change his story before anyone takes notice?

It makes perfect bloody sense!!

Anyone with half a mind can't understand this so i can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse!

if i think someone is innocent they are not going to be my top priority for a lynch.... that sentence makes perfect sense... it would be stupid if someone i thought was innocent was my top priority for the lynch

If someone isn't my top priority for the lynch then i probably think they are innocent... that sentence makes perfect sense also... it would be stupid if someone was my top priority for the lynch but i thought they were innocent

So your going to have to explain yoyur confusion, its makes perfect sense to me...

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
I still think we should lynch boudica...

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Boudica probably innocent now

I questioned him on this, and he said:


Quote:
I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...
So there was some main reason he decided that boudica was not a priority, and also those detective results helped. But when I asked to him to explain, he doesn't give a main reason, he just talks about the detective results.

The detective results were the main reason, badly worded i know. the rest of it comes down to the same reason i changed my mind on white eyes, seen as that worked out right for me with white eyes why not follow my gut on boudica too ?

if there's someone you think should be lynched, and they get revealed as innocent, then you want to lynch them more, not less. Because lynching the godfather is far more important than lynching a henchmen.

True they may be a higher priority lynch but they are also alot less likely to be any kind of scum if they could only be the godfather!

Ansd like i said it wasn't just the detective results... gut ect...

I pointed out that "not a top priority" and "probably innocent" are not in anyway the same thing. And he says they are. They aren't.

Sasaki continues to hammer on about this point even though i have clearly explained it 6 ways from sunday, he is not too stupid to understand my point, he is deliberately hammering it home in the hope someone will finally go along with his badly built case and forget my simple explanation

Now to get what I'm saying you'd have to read back over the post and you guys are obviously too busy.

Please I personally ask every innocent perso in this thread to look back over me and sasaki's exchange!!

You will see him produce a case far from his usual good standard, a case full of half truths flat out lies and quite simply terrible logic... way off sasaki's usual level of performance!

Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices.

They were bad choices!!

Reenk has since been proven to be town... so im making a bad choice by not voting this townie... LIES!

ATPG you have defended yourself... so im making a bad choice by not voting someone you belive to be innocent and who everyone else is voting for just because of pizza's usual wifom...... LIES!

That was also a lie.

LIES!

People who lie are usually mafia.

QFT!

Sasaki has repeatedly lied and spread half truths in an attempt to lynch me, Sasaki must be scum it is the only thing that can explian his strange behaviour this game!

I urge the town to read sasaki posts very carefully! see the repeated errors he makes!

Sasaki is very likely scum!

Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up.

This is wrong, it is infact your posts that have contained lies and misdirection!

will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.

Capped = Killed ?

It wouldn't be terrible if i did get killed, proving my innocence would go a long way to proving your guilt, a townie for possible scum is a fair trade...

I think you are the thing keeping me alive... mafia dont tend to go for suspects... and your keeping me on the suspect list so your keeping me alive...

Although if Andres was telling the truth i probably would die tonight...can't see why a mafia family wouldn't kill the other familys head... unless they are lieing!

find it interesting that LG won't stop acting like he is being persectuted.

I am bloody being persucuted!!

(in a im still having fun and not getting pissed off with the game kind of way incase anyone is worried about upsetting me)

One is Sasaki who for reasons unknown to me decided i was scum off misreading several of my posts and then maintaining that his reading of my posts was the correct one rather than my meaning behind them!!

And now some dead scum has decided he has it in for me for some reason...

All this and its getting to late in the game for me to just let myself die, i wasn't really paying much attention in th beginning but the innocents are going to be outnumbered by scum fairly soon, and i think we would be a lot better off is WE and FH fought thier case of innocence as much as i have mine!

[White_eyes:D]

I find it interesting that FH claims to be a detective and voiced a concern about the N6 investigation, which is contrary to what Seamus and GH assert.

Not to meation, no one has said who the third party is (meaning there both lying)....and I think GH is a Godfather....why? well...like I told EVERYONE...the message system of which I PM'ed him three times, left him with the perfect scapegoat......and Sasaki and ATPG seem to be at the center of it...those could be his grunts....and well chosen as well... Sasaki also used the "Worst rule in Mafia" saying I was likely scum....and "swaying ATPG's vote" which is totally a Mafia partner in crisis....

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk:

You're still awesome, by the way. Keep the pressure on me, too. I rather enjoy being hammered for a change. I applaud the effort. Just do me a favor and hammer other people too, that's my only request.


Edit: LG: Those posts are hard to read. Please use quote tags on dialogue that is quoted. Just higlight and hit the "word balloon" button.

[FactionHeir]

My understanding is that FH said he sent the message, not seamus. But that doesn't mean that seamus can't have investigated boudica as well.

I hadn't thought of that this way actually, good thinking Sasaki.

Btw, I still blame ATPG for voting me and not unvoting Especially because as I said I could not have averted it because I didn't have any votes on me before I went to sleep outside of jumping on a bandwagon on WE who already had some 7 votes on him.

In regards to suspects, I think GH, LG and ATPG are pretty high on the list.

[Andres]

Although if Andres was telling the truth i probably would die tonight...can't see why a mafia family wouldn't kill the other familys head... unless they are lieing!

Nope, Don Grizzly. If the English mafia is taken out, there's only one kill left each night. As it stands now, odds that you kill my Godfather are low. You do know it takes two attempts, don't you? Or are you a weak Godfather?

Of course, if the game continues, we'll eventually have to kill you ourselves. But if town is happy to let a confirmed Godfather run around freely, counting on the word of a dead scumbag that his living teammates will do it for them, well...

For all they know, you are MY Godfather

[White_eyes:D]

Sasaki has repeatedly lied and spread half truths in an attempt to lynch me, Sasaki must be scum it is the only thing that can explian his strange behaviour this game!

I urge the town to read sasaki posts very carefully! see the repeated errors he makes!

Sasaki is very likely scum!

Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up.

This is wrong, it is infact your posts that have contained lies and misdirection!

will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.

Capped = Killed ?

It wouldn't be terrible if i did get killed, proving my innocence would go a long way to proving your guilt, a townie for possible scum is a fair trade...

I think you are the thing keeping me alive... mafia dont tend to go for suspects... and your keeping me on the suspect list so your keeping me alive...

Although if Andres was telling the truth i probably would die tonight...can't see why a mafia family wouldn't kill the other familys head... unless they are lieing!

Most of this is true....Sasaki has been pushing for peole's lynchs....but not in the area of (ATPG,GH,Seamus) because he knows bring a case against them would be hard(or there his Mafia buddys)....Sasaki is just playing town you can tell by how he is playing...IT'S VERY BAD...not one scumbag lynched on his advice....Only, LYNCH LG.....and that's it... it's like he is looking for a easy target to lynch....

[boudica]

I agree with your list there Faction Heir - Add Reenk Roink to it and I'd make a short bet that we have 4 mafia roles right there. Question @ Diana Abnoba (and this is purely an in-game question!) Has Askthepizzaguy been acting as if he's keeping something from you?

[LittleGrizzly]

Andres then why should the town waste a lynch of me if your are not lieing ? surely the town should make you waste your kill instead ?

And this is the huge flaw in Andres logic, if i truely was godfather just kill me off quietly in a turn or two, announcing it to the town will make them wonder why mafia didn't kill him himself, there is always a risk your godfather could die.... but the fact is theres no risk from me... and am no godfather

Andres came in here to save one of his own from the lynch!

Theres too many holes in his logic for him to be telling the truth... hes encouraging the town to more useless lynches!!

WE im sorry i didn't believe you straight away, though i did take my vote off you before you were lynched!

But WE (a proven innocent) is 100% accurate on sasaki this game!

Leading the town astray, directing the lynches of innocents!!

[Reenk Roink]

I agree with your list there Faction Heir - Add Reenk Roink to it and I'd make a short bet that we have 4 mafia roles right there. Question @ Diana Abnoba (and this is purely an in-game question!) Has Askthepizzaguy been acting as if he's keeping something from you?

This is shaping up to a fantastic finish though. Great game!

[White_eyes:D]

WE im sorry i didn't believe you straight away, though i did take my vote off you before you were lynched!

But WE (a proven innocent) is 100% accurate on sasaki this game!

Leading the town astray, directing the lynches of innocents!!

......Lynch LG next round....and then lynch Sasaki and if it still does not end....kill everyone else...

Edit: I don't get it??? you think I am right but then I am not???.....

[ULC]

Are we so charismatic and forceful, dear Reenk, that the rest of the players must dig up ours bodies in some vain attempt to kill us again?

[boudica]

This is shaping up to a fantastic finish though. Great game!

Oh Yeah! - sorry forgot you were Mairead

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think this game might be a record for most information produced without anything useful coming out of it.

-On the Mafia game; Godfather 3

Think this game may even beat godfather 3 judging on everything that's gone on before day one.

-On the Mafia game; The Settlement

My brain hurts. A lot.

-On the Mafia game; The Fight for Inishmore

Pay attention, Askthepizzaguy!

Pay attention, Reenk Roink!

Pay attention, boudica!

-People paying close attention on the mafia game; The Fight for Inishmore