The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[Lord Winter]

I have diffuclties lynching on a two sentences infalliable PM.

[White_eyes:D]

Why should've the host given you the name of your killer, wouldn't that seriously unbalance the game?

hmmm......your active at the end of the round.... Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Abstain I want to see want you will do......and who will say....."He's a Godfather he changed his vote....."

[White_eyes:D]

If it's a tie is it a double lynch?? or will there be no lynch???

[Andres]

hmmm......your active at the end of the round.... Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:Abstain I want to see want you will do......and who will say....."He's a Godfather he changed his vote....."

He's a Godfather he changed his vote!

Good move, boss. Let them string up that other Godfather, LittleGrizzly.

Congratulations, townies

[White_eyes:D]

He's a Godfather he changed his vote!

Good move, boss. Let them string up that other Godfather, LittleGrizzly.

Congratulations, townies

Your not framing me Vote:White_eyes:D

[Andres]

Your not framing me Vote:White_eyes:D

Oh come on now, W_E, no one will believe you're my godfather. And if you would be a townie, then lynching yourself isn't a good move either.

[FactionHeir]

ATPG: Keep the pressure on me
As I pointed out earlier, I would be happy to post a role PM if I even had one. Failing that, its really just my word against yours, and its not going to get us anywhere.

Re:voting. I'm not sure what WE is doing. He's either hoping for a vote switcher role or he's suicidal or he's innocent.

Neither GH/WE nor Seamus seem to have explained why they publicized the N6 result yet though which is what I was asking earlier and seem to have been ignored.

[White_eyes:D]

*sighs*.....I am getting tired of this....but nothing I can do about it...Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:FactionHeir

[White_eyes:D]

ATPG: Keep the pressure on me
As I pointed out earlier, I would be happy to post a role PM if I even had one. Failing that, its really just my word against yours, and its not going to get us anywhere.

Re:voting. I'm not sure what WE is doing. He's either hoping for a vote switcher role or he's suicidal or he's innocent.

Neither GH/WE nor Seamus seem to have explained why they publicized the N6 result yet though which is what I was asking earlier and seem to have been ignored.

N6 result?? what do you mean....??...I was too busy trying not to get lynched, and if no one else will do anything I can anwser that....

[pevergreen]

*sighs*.....I am getting tired of this....but nothing I can do about it...Unvote:White_eyes:D Vote:FactionHeir

11 minutes too late.

writeup coming.

[White_eyes:D]

Then it's a tie? or did I miss something???

[pevergreen]

The day had come to a close, and pevergreen had finished his beautiful chicken sandwich. (it was really good!) As he was brought the vote tally, his eyes flashed red.

"Didn't I say not to have another tie?"

In light of my good friend Beefy's death yesterday, due to you lot, I'm going to spare both of these two. They should be thankful that I'm still sad. Next time it may not be so pretty.

"yes...I did. Whoever...created this tie. You shall suffer the blood of both men on your hands! "

pevergreen pulled a knife out and slashed the necks of both White_Eyes and FactionHeir.

He looked at their bodies.

"Pity about Davey, I don't care for White Eyes though. His eyes werent white at all. What a liar."

"Whoever created this tie, -shut up ATPGuy, I was eating I didn't see!-, you shall also have an interesting day tomorrow. Thirteen people left really was unlucky. It seems 13 outweighs 7 in terms of luck."

Tomorrow. in adition to the normal vote for a lynch, Diana is a different vote. You vote to either keep her alive or kill her. She may not be voted for the normal lynch. The majority decision will deliver her fate. Please indicate your choice by

Life: Diana
or
Death: Diana

White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)


Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
Seamus
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
Sigurd
El Diablo

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink

Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910
White Eyes
Factionheir

It is now Night 7. Orders within 23 hours please.

(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)

[FactionHeir]

Time to eat more shoes APTG

Just FYI, the reason I asked about N6 is because I submitted that result (as per writeup) so Seamus is lying to say that he got boudica N6.

[White_eyes:D]

(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)

*note to self...kill pevergreen next time I am Mafia....by having his evil twin come and slam a car door on his head, several times....



I feel much better now

[White_eyes:D]

Time to eat more shoes APTG

Just FYI, the reason I asked about N6 is because I submitted that result (as per writeup) so Seamus is lying to say that he got boudica N6.

If this is true....then you would know who the third party is....who sent it to us...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Time to eat more shoes APTG

Just FYI, the reason I asked about N6 is because I submitted that result (as per writeup) so Seamus is lying to say that he got boudica N6.

Shoes?

Care to explain more about the next part? Are you claiming that Davey was the detective?

If Seamus' reveal as the detective was fake, why didn't you say anything? Why didn't anyone pull me aside and ask me to change my vote or leave it on White_Eyes?

Now. I have a bone to pick with you two, and everyone who did not vote.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You can blame White_Eyes for voting himself before the end of the round again. I was sleeping at the time. I would have broken the tie myself if I was awake, as I've been doing all game, to prevent a double lynch. Now I see I was absolutely correct to do so, as it did result in a double lynch. You guys can blame me for this all you like; I'm the perfect scapegoat. Just remember, every abstain vote, every lurking player, every single person who voted, you're all equally responsible. I am one vote.

And I honestly don't know what you were trying to prove, White_Eyes. I gave you a chance to save yourself, and you killed yourself, FactionHeir, and probably me in the process. The good Samaritan gets stabbed in the back. Truly, truly, I made a mistake when I listened to Sasaki, but that pales in comparison to your performance last round. After I saved your butt again at my own expense, you declared I must be lynched. Then, the person who was most responsible for your own death was you.

And FactionHeir:

White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)

Who did you vote for, again? That's right, no vote. Why is any of this my fault? Explain.

Stop voting for yourselves, people. Yoyoma did this already and it proved nothing. White_Eyes did it, and unless I am mistaken, Davey is a pro-town role, is he not? So WE took down himself, an innocent townie (I was right about White_Eyes, Sasaki....) and FactionHeir in the process, the latter who did nothing to save himself, the former of which wants me lynched for trying to stop this nonsense. That makes even more sense. Are we not learning from our mistakes? If you're going to off yourself, don't wait until round 7. Thanks. And if you do, don't blame me for your own actions.

It seems to me this line:

(Note: I am aware White Eyes unvoted to create the tie, but I count voting. Thats the way I'm calling it. Also WE is dead. I did warn you.)

Indicates that the punishment for "creating the tie" falls on Diana, even though White_eyes actually created the tie. We will have to wait until tomorrow to see how many murders there were, and if it makes sense mathematically to lynch two players instead of one. However, I attempted to run the numbers, and I realized it was futile to try to do so. Unless you know which mafia family kills which player, when, and who gets lynched, you don't know if the extra player will come in handy or be a detriment.

You could take out two suspects in one round, but to me it seems to be a safer policy to let the mafia families kill one another off. Then you knock off half the mafia without even having to decide who was who... and you can decide which players remaining need to be lynched from there. At this point though, I am half asleep from my nap, and I need to crank up the thermostat and go back to bed. I'll ponder on this more in the morning. I'll end by saying I don't think another double lynch would be a good idea, and that's my opinion. I'm not thinking clearly, so I'll check to see if this makes sense after I get some rest.

At least I can find the sleeping smiley. I didn't know there was one.

[FactionHeir]

By the time I logged on, the round was already over anyway (note WE voting a minute after me and being told off by pever)
Plus I wouldn't have voted WE because I thought he was innocent, so it would still be a tie or me ending up dead because you guys really like pressure votes when there's nothing to pressure about.
And yes, I was detective/roleblocker/protector

Shoes as in you were claiming to suicide if you got yet another townie/pro town lynched. Congrats

[Askthepizzaguy]

You were online today, were you not, FactionHeir? ANY vote would have saved your life.

Yesterday 18:58 (my time) you were active. But yeah, blame me. And you would have let yourself die because you think White_eyes was innocent, when you had a pro-town role. That makes sense.

You'll forgive me if I don't compound this atrocity of an error by suiciding or advocating another double lynch, and forgive me if I don't take all the blame. This time, you cannot blame me. I was not the one responsible. I admit my mistakes, this was yours.

Good night, and good luck.

[FactionHeir]

At the time I was last online, I didn't actually have any vote on me. By the time I woke up this morning (i.e. 8 hours later), I was already up for the lynch without opportunity for vote change.
As I said, only voting WE could have saved me, but back then (and now still) I don't think GH's post would/should have warranted a vote on WE.

Given that then it was simply a bandwagon on WE, you'll excuse me for not jumping on it like the rest of you when I did not have a single vote on me.

[LittleGrizzly]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
My vote shall stay on White Eyes anyway... either scum or extraordinarily bad townie..

Boudica probably innocent now but sasaki is on my suspect list strongly still..

Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Unvote White Eyes

Im not completely convinced of his guilt..

Ill default to my second best suspect... Vote Sasaki

Care to explain your thought process here grizz?

White eyes goes from "seem a good lynch" to "either scum or extraordinarily bad townie" to "not completely convinced of his guilt"--> is that really a reason for unvoting someone?

I was unconvinced by the White Eye's lynch, it all seemed a bit too easy combined with Reenk
protesting the kill, so you went all out and helped get a townie lynched! and i tried to lynch someone scummy instead... and i am supposedly the scum


Boudica goes from "I think we should lynch boudica" to "Boudica probably innocent now".

Same thought process that helped me reconsider my position on WE, infact don't you constantly accuse ATPG of not re looking at his case, changing his mind to fit new circumstances...

I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...

Next round we should lynch Sasaki!!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

There was a secret role that I was given information about in my pm. The Wolf. I was told that the Wolf was an ally of mine. To trust him etc. The wolf was Sasaki. He was the moderator at that time (which is why I said welcome back) so I listened to him and gave him the names of my made and luca.

As it turns out, his objective was to kill all the dons in the one night.

My role PM lied to me. Take that for backstabbing.

(And stop denying you are the wolf Sasaki!)

The Wolf was given a choice: To aid the mafia victory OR to bring about that victory while taking out all of the other dons and claiming cdtc for himself. This was NOT an absolute for the Wolf.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

ATPG: Keep the pressure on me
As I pointed out earlier, I would be happy to post a role PM if I even had one. Failing that, its really just my word against yours, and its not going to get us anywhere.

Re:voting. I'm not sure what WE is doing. He's either hoping for a vote switcher role or he's suicidal or he's innocent.

Neither GH/WE nor Seamus seem to have explained why they publicized the N6 result yet though which is what I was asking earlier and seem to have been ignored.

I was never in direct contact with either GH or WE as that would have contravened the rules. Once WE tossed out all the info -- "spiting" the town does bug me by the way -- it just seemed to be more practical to reveal and get the info and sequencing out properly.

As I have said, I have absolute trust in neither -- I just know they weren't grunts or SKs. The reason I picked TWO and not ONE was simple. I might be passing info to a GF, but the odds of both of them being GFs were really slim (2.63%), so I was reasonably certain that I was not giving my info only to the enemy.

Both cooperated on the destruction of Ituralde -- which does not preclude the possibility that one IS a GF and was gleefully killing a rival mafioso OR reluctantly sacrificing one of his own to retain cover.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The Wolf was given a choice: To aid the mafia victory OR to bring about that victory while taking out all of the other dons and claiming cdtc for himself. This was NOT an absolute for the Wolf.

I didn't betray any mafia in that game...was just bad luck the way pever's family imploded. Then when I saw he suspected me I sent him a pm in broken english with no caps claiming I'd betrayed him so that when he posted it in the thread as proof I could claim he made it up

Same thought process that helped me reconsider my position on WE, infact don't you constantly accuse ATPG of not re looking at his case, changing his mind to fit new circumstances...

I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...

I doesn't look like your thought process was genuine. Explain the thought process please. You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent". Why would the detective results help? Godfather's turn up innocent. I think you got off the white_eyes wagon because you thought you might look bad if he turned up townie.

[Reenk Roink]

You can blame White_Eyes for voting himself before the end of the round again. I was sleeping at the time. I would have broken the tie myself if I was awake, as I've been doing all game, to prevent a double lynch. Now I see I was absolutely correct to do so, as it did result in a double lynch. You guys can blame me for this all you like; I'm the perfect scapegoat. Just remember, every abstain vote, every lurking player, every single person who voted, you're all equally responsible. I am one vote.

And I honestly don't know what you were trying to prove, White_Eyes. I gave you a chance to save yourself, and you killed yourself, FactionHeir, and probably me in the process. The good Samaritan gets stabbed in the back. Truly, truly, I made a mistake when I listened to Sasaki, but that pales in comparison to your performance last round. After I saved your butt again at my own expense, you declared I must be lynched. Then, the person who was most responsible for your own death was you.

And FactionHeir:

Quote:
White_eyes: 3 (GH,Sasaki, White_Eyes)
FactionHeir: 3 (El Diablo, Askthepizzaguy, Diana)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1 (khaan)
Who did you vote for, again? That's right, no vote. Why is any of this my fault? Explain.

Stop voting for yourselves, people. Yoyoma did this already and it proved nothing. White_Eyes did it, and unless I am mistaken, Davey is a pro-town role, is he not? So WE took down himself, an innocent townie (I was right about White_Eyes, Sasaki....) and FactionHeir in the process, the latter who did nothing to save himself, the former of which wants me lynched for trying to stop this nonsense. That makes even more sense. Are we not learning from our mistakes? If you're going to off yourself, don't wait until round 7. Thanks. And if you do, don't blame me for your own actions.

O please Atpg, I can't believe you're making yourself out to be "right" about WE, when you seemed so unsure you unovted and voted him so many times. Had you not done that, WE wouldn't have gone bat**** crazy and would be alive right now.

I also think it is interesting that you were the one who fell hardest for my FH trap. I never suspected FH, just put him out there to see which people would jump on my case as I am innocent and pro town. You fell for it.

Your constant vote changing, gunning for any target other than yourself, and then trying to make yourself look clean, have really opened my eyes.

Atpg is a better suspect now then GH.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can't sleep... looks like 4 hours will have to do for now.

LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.

Sasaki: I'm not convinced by your case on LG. I rather think you could be a godfather or a henchman at this rate, there's no reason why not, and you're good enough to have avoided detection by being less inquisitorial over everyone and focusing on just LG, not to mention defending me all game (after round one). I appreciate the sincere effort, if it is sincere, but... methinks it's insincere.




@Reenk-

If you say so. I already stated that I'm not a murderer nor a godfather, and that you were a likely choice regardless of whether I was accusing you or not, and it would have been the perfect time to finally get me lynched. But we are just rehashing old arguments, and not adding anything new. You suspect me, that is fine, I can live with that. If I die, so be it. Clever tactics by the mafia this game.

[LittleGrizzly]

I doesn't look like your thought process was genuine. Explain the thought process please.

If you are referring to WE it went something like....

Case and other posts made against WE, was pretty much buying it... i didn't have much else in mind apart from voting you so this seemed like a better option...

Several players jump on WE bandwagon easily and one or two people start to stick up for WE, i think im being led too easily and my vote will almost surely ensure WE's is lynched... so i have second thought and revert to my 2nd suspect...

If you mean Boudica it was mainly the detective result....

You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent". Why would the detective results help? Godfather's turn up innocent.

If someone comes up innocent theres is only 1 bad role they can have... Godfather... so if wen were going to stick with a mathmatical way of looking at it then boudica being cleared of being a henchman means she probably is innocent... as the chance of her being a godfather are quite small... so my statement is correct is you want to technically define the thing...

TBH i don't think she is a godfather....

As i see it i don't see why my mind changing on Boudica would indicate my guilt at all!

At worst because we both have innocent results... we are both godfathers... in which case i wouldn't know what boudica is so i wouldn't care to indicate her guilt or defend her...

In other words your battering a bit of a pointless angle with the boudica slant your now taking...

You "decided" she wasn't top priority? That's not what you said, you said "boudica is probably innocent".

If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....

If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...

The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!

LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.

Maybe its little unproductive... or maybe the town would have done a whole lot better taking my lead and lynching sasaki instead of an innocent townie and a pro town role!!!

not to mention defending me all game

Does this seem like sasaki to you... ?

or does it just seem like sasaki is trying to keep you onside...?

This is not sasaki townie behaviour!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Doesn't seem like Sasaki to me at all. People can change strategies, though. I just would like to see more suspects than just you, LG, even if he does vote for you.

Happy birthday, by the way.

[LittleGrizzly]

Happy birthday, by the way.

Shhh! you trying to get me lynched!!

thanks...

Back on topic... why would sasaki do this ??

We are down to a limited number of people... if sasaki can keep up the back and fore with me for a few days and use that as cover whilst the last remaining innocents are taken out...

Maybe he thought i would be an easy enough target in that i wouldn't put much suspicion back on him... or maybe he thought i wouldn't be a good enough lynch so i wouldn't attract enough votes and he could never be proven to be making a case against an innocent...

Whatever sasaki is up to i am getting very strong scum vibes from him... i will be genuinely suprised if sasaki turns out not to be scum....

[ULC]

Hmmm...going with Reenk and WE on this one...

FoS: ATPG and Sasaki

GH took a huge risk by revealing like that, but, if he suspected WE, then why not come out with it earlier? The longer the delay, the greater the decrease in victory if one is protown.

Still, lets lynch ATPG and keep him honest, eh? ATPG never shuts up, dead or alive, so lets be done with it! I want an ATPG I can trust

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Can't sleep... looks like 4 hours will have to do for now.

LittleGrizzly and Sasaki; your one-track rivalry all game smells like an act. Surely you would have gotten tired of one another not being lynched and moved on to more productive conversation by now. I think you guys should start working on other suspects, even if you continue to vote for one another. Voting for one another over and over when no one else is doing so... that's basically the same thing as abstaining, and it's not productive in my opinion, but do as you wish.

I can see I'm not making much headway,which is why I dropped him and went for someone else yesterday. At this point it's pretty obvious that everyone is just skimming the back and forth between us, which is frankly ridiculous.

If someone isn't top priority for the lynch (in my personal list) then its because i think they are probably innocent....

If someone is (imo) probably innocent then they would not be my top priority for the lynch...

The sentences are quite different but both mean something very similar!

Would you just read this? How many times does he have to change his story before anyone takes notice?

I still think we should lynch boudica...

Boudica probably innocent now

I questioned him on this, and he said:

I decided that out of the remaining players Boudica is not a top priority lynch... also those detective results helped...

So there was some main reason he decided that boudica was not a priority, and also those detective results helped. But when I asked to him to explain, he doesn't give a main reason, he just talks about the detective results. And if there's someone you think should be lynched, and they get revealed as innocent, then you want to lynch them more, not less. Because lynching the godfather is far more important than lynching a henchmen.

I pointed out that "not a top priority" and "probably innocent" are not in anyway the same thing. And he says they are. They aren't.

Now to get what I'm saying you'd have to read back over the post and you guys are obviously too busy. But LG is displaying the mafia tell that I call "lying through his teeth". Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices. That was also a lie. People who lie are usually mafia. Every single response by little grizzly to an accusation of mine has involved him changing his story or making something up. I believe I'll make a grand summary, will wait till tomorrow though, see if LG gets capped.

And pizza, remember rule #3.

In summary, I request that if you haven't carefully read the back and forth starting several days ago, you kindly stop ******** about it being a "way for LG and sasaki to hide". 1) it's very noticable, 2) As mafia it's not something I do and 3) there are MULTIPLE mafia families. In games with multiple mafia families, mafia try their BEST to lynch each other.

Put in the effort or don't say anything at all.