that is interesting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Did AVSM just pop in to avoid the WOG?
unvote, Vote: AVSM (apologies to Sigurd :sweatdrop:)
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that is interesting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Did AVSM just pop in to avoid the WOG?
unvote, Vote: AVSM (apologies to Sigurd :sweatdrop:)
He hasn't voted at all, untill now, this is indeed a WoG saving vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Hold on... Didn't Niklas also claim Galen Marek?
Hmm. Seems my mind is playing tricks on me.
@ psychonaut English actually is my first language. Atheotes, I understand your concern about my floating just below the radar. I don't think there's any benefit to following every twist and turn of public opinion. I'll give my gut instinct early in the game morning, and if I change my mind later, I'll post then. Atpg still is feeling a little off his usual self to me. He might be innocent, but he doesn't feel like the usual atpg innocent.
ATPG is currently town, that much is certain. Tomorrow.. a completely different question.Quote:
Originally Posted by autolycus
Woops. Seems I got yourself and atheotes mixed up. Many apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by autolycus
In that case, you are right that English is not my first language :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
atheotes is from Habana, Cuba. Mafiascum City.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Have there been any clearer attempts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Beskar should know as he is the Mayor of that place :tongue3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
@Beskar - you have a qn to be answered in the Shadow Fort thread.
I promise you all that if the Sith tap me as their next apprentice, I shall unleash a hellish vengeance upon thee that will make Anakin's fall to the dark side seem like a toddler angry with mommy for not letting him have cookies for breakfast. That is of course, until I am lynched the very next day without having killed anybody, because apparently conversions are public knowledge. Oh the anticlimax...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I also sense a scapegoating very shortly. Just about any conversion means I am auto-lynched just to be safe. So no matter what happens, I am totally screwed. :2thumbsup:
Anyone for some galactic chess? I'll let the wookiees win.
Hmm? Why jump on the Pizza bandwagon now? FoS: YaroQuote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
"Hi, I'm Chaotix, I know that there is a sith holocron" - can you say Perfect Information Syndrome?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Or just say unvote; vote: Chaotix instead...?
Yay Galactic Chess!Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
And yeah your position isn't exactly awesome :tongue:
Vote:abstain
Vote: Centurion1
Something off about his jump on the wagon.
Wait, when does the phase end?
Why are you not quoting the pm you sent him (the one he replied to)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
And the Belisarius quote starts with 1); where's the rest of his pm?
What are you hiding from us, Sasaki?
If I give you exactly 24 hours it should end 10:53. It is now 10:08 on my clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
I will give you until 11:00 GMT+1 which is roughly 1 hour from now
This. Chaotix, your response please? If it was earlier in the day I might have done more than FoS, but at this point it's pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
This, I would like to see it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
It's definitely strange that Belisarius didn't go public with the information, especially if he thought you were the real mafia. But what would you have done if he had, Sasaki? An "I was just fishing" claim at that point would obviously seem a tad contrived. Explain please.
voting ended...
Round 5It had been a long day and when the expedition leader finally arrived, the decision had been made a long time ago. Galen Marek the newly appointed Padawan had received the most votes.
Night
The expedition leader sighed: “Is this truly your candidate, you had no other? I have just promoted this young man to become a Padawan, and this is how you reward him. I am utterly speechless.” I have given you quite the room to move in and have lain down nearly no rules. Maybe it is time for you to agree on your own rules, show that you are truly Jedi who work systematically and scientifically.”
“Come Galen, I am sorry, but the power of democracy is none the less absolute.”
They all followed the expedition leader to the hangar area, where Galen Marek walked out into space by his own accord. No one forced him. The body was recovered later and placed in a casket in the morgue.
The expedition leader walked with troubled thoughts about the events last night. He had received troubling information.
Night time people…
This will be a short night as announced earlier. It shouldn't be too difficult to send in orders within that timespan. I need to do this at night instead of at work. Night ends 00:00 Central Euopean time (GMT+1) 21st of April (13 hours from now)
Tally:
Belisarius II: 10 (ATPG, Beskar, Centurion1, Chaotix, Greyblades, Niklas, Renata, Sasaki, Thermal, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (autolycus, GH, Kage, Yaropolk)
Beskar: 3 (pever, Subotan, Yaseikhaan)
Chaotix: 2 (Belisarius, Diamondeye )
Subotan: 1 (Psychonaut)
A Very Super Marked: 1 (atheotes)
Centurion1: 1 (johnhugh)
Niklas: 1 (Winston)
Abstain: 5 (AVSM, Diana, Joooray, Secura, WE:D)
Not voting: 2 (Jolt, Lord W)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Surely you mean 13 hours from now (or 12½ at the time of my post)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
You also got my vote wrong, not that it matters. ~;)
I'm quite positive that at least one of the mafias was in the Belisarius's bandwagon.
"Well, it wasn't me!" said Askthepizzaguy, as he slinks back into the shadows.
Mmmm...
I very strongly agree with this. I discourage anyone from accepting a role claim as proof of innocence, even a role claim with powers. Judge people on their behavior, not their identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Dang, I feel like a right fool now.
ooops... thats what happens when you are late for a meeting. fixing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Niklas
I'm still interested in the entire pm conversation between Sasaki and Belisarius II.
I don't understand why Sasaki left out certain parts. I also fail to see why Sasaki contacted Belisarius and posted a part of the pm conversation at a time where it didn't matter much, since Belisarius' fate was pretty much sealed.
:inquisitive:
If I remember the recent star wars movies...didn't his fall to the dark side seem like that anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I voted Abstain, Sigurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Catching up:
On the Chatoix/atheotes/(psychonaut) scuffle, I'm on Chaotix' side thus far.
The second part is not true. Mafia have all the incentive in the world to stay away from what they know to be a bad bandwagon if they can think of a halfway decent reason for it. I'm gathering Belisarius was in fact a bad bandwagon, though I haven't read through all the posts or the update yet. (Starting at the beginning this time, go me.) The first part, about the saving Beskar bit, might apply better -- depends if Chaotix actually counted the votes or not -- but it doesn't rise to the level of 'contrived' for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Anyway to sum up:
Atheotes' vote on Chaotix: meh
Chaotix' FOS on Atheotes: justified, despite the OMGUS aspect
I don't like being ignored...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Sith holocron? From where do we know of a Sith holocron?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I mentioned it in relation to who the character Atris was (a Jedi Master in KOTOR2 who falls to the Dark Side after studying Sith holocrons), but there was no prior mention of it in terms of this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I don't understand this -- why would the Sith kill someone who's claimed Galen Marak of all people, who has been lynchbait in the past, and who, if innocent, has no abilities? (Or had, I assume -- still haven't gotten to the write-up.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
How many times do I have to post that you're acting suspicious and behaving scummy before the required quota for you to feel like answering some questions is reached?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I had been meaning to mention: I'm convinced Sasaki is correct about mafia cover roles, and exactly for that reason: because so many players are showing up in the write-up in connection with the promotions. If that (or the "calling", even) could function as an investigation, it would break the game, recruitment or no recruitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Could you be so kind to say that you think Sasaki seems scummy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
This was regarding the WOG-saving "vote: abstain" --
I have no idea what this is meant to mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Very Super Market
that was a response to Sasaki's question... Sasaki had asked if AVSM voted only to save himself from WOG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Actually Beskar backed off on that and said it wasn't a conversion attempt; he'd just assumed it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Heck, due to my previous comment, you stand to be scapegoated no matter what. I do fully support vengeance on Beskar for that, by the way; that was completely unnecessary.Quote:
I also sense a scapegoating very shortly. Just about any conversion means I am auto-lynched just to be safe. So no matter what happens, I am totally screwed. :2thumbsup:
You think the mafia stayed away from the "bad" bandwagon on Belisarius? I think not. We will see in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
When i called his post contrived, i meant his post with the vote not his response to my accusation. The reasoning he gave for voting Belisarius made me feel that way.:shrug:
I'd also like a response to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niklas
I'm extremely curious about this "troubling information" Sigurd says the expedition leader has from the previous night.
Really, Ibn? You don't say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
Quoted for truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I think Chaotix needs some attention, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Happy to. Sasaki still seems scummy for baiting Pizza back on day one with questions only a half-step removed in effect from "have you stopped beating your wife". And though his report about the PMs to Belisarius had gotten around in private several hours prior to it coming up in public, I still want your questions and Niklas' answered. I have no idea why such information shouldn't have come forth in public much earlier than it did. It left Belisarius effectively no time to rebut what was in fact the meat of the accusation against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
You do know there is an edit button right?
No, I think it's feasible that they did stay away, and Chaotix' FOS on you therefore reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
I didn't read his post with the vote as contrived; I did read yours as off, though (why such a snap vote, based on a single post, that late in what had been an extremely busy day?), another reason I was on Chaotix' side as regards the FOS -- did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?
Well i can assure you that once the night is over you will have atleast my full attention. It were your reasons that triggered the lynch of Belisarius and if you think you can walk away without even defending your own stand on the issue. Think again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Why wouldn't he post it as mafia? What danger does it add to himself? I think its more likely a new player cautiousness (not mistake as such).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I shall update my game files. I doubt you will be in any WoG danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
*cough* Its not like we keep track of participation and hand out badges. :beam:
Don't do a chaotixQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I think the multiquote function would work better :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Thank you. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.
Sorry for the spam, though.
Amen to that. It's a good feature in theory. But, in practice its horrible and frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
It is still not fixed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I remember having that problem too a while back, but I am sure I have used multi-quote since where they were released on posting.
nvm... that was a digression, no need to discuss this here. Carry on.
I believe that there's an option to clear previous multi-quotes if you take your post to "Go Advanced". :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I did not know what the accusation on Belisarius was except that he was supposed to have behaved scummy. Take a look at the first 9 votes he got (Sigurd did a tally at that point)...and this is what Chaotix posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
lets just say it was the straw the broke the back. More importantly i was online at that time and was trying to provoke some responses.Quote:
Ok. Opinion formed. I feel bad about lynching Belisarius on the basis of him being mildly suspicious a while ago, but I'm going along with it for now because I don't want to see either Beskar or ATPG dead.
Are you asking if i had any votes on me? or if i voted before my vote on Chaotix?Quote:
did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?
Yeah, if you had voted before then.
As an aside, is there any way to grab all of someone's posts from a single thread? It looks like the way I'm used to doing it at CFC doesn't work. :(
I did...it was on Autolycus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
You can use the "search thread" function - go to advance search and search by user name for all posts by that user in this thread - Though it only lists the posts and you need to go in to see the content.
Same method as CFC used to work, forum update borked it. Don't think there's another method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
HoS:Chaotix - see my last reply (or Niklas', or Renata's, on the topic) for reason. He needs to spill some beans (or be killed by the mafia) if he wants to avoid my vote.
It isn't a Sith Holocron and nothing has even pointed to it as such.
You misunderstand; Chaotix mentioned the Sith receiving a holocron, something that wasn't revealed in-thread at any point whatsoever, aside of my explanation of Jedi Master Atris which relates more to canon than this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
This current trend toward FOSing the Belisarius lynchers is laziness or opportunism. Anyone who had actually read this thread would have seen a very acceptable case against Belisarius. It all started with Belisarius' vote for ATPG several days ago. At the time, that was deemed suspect by Sasaki, Andres, and Centurion1. Belisarius then responded to these accusations and a decent debate then started up about him. This debate continued off and on for the next 50 posts, until Belisarius stopped responding. During the debate, Belisarius was seen as somewhat off by ATPG, Sasaki, Beskar, and Renata. After the debate was done, Andres made a few posts urging us to focus more on Belisarius. Sasaki agreed. Thus, after the town was satisfied that neither ATPG or Beskar were a good lynch, Sasaki turned his vote on Belisarius. The bandwagon then occurred and Belisarius was lynched.
It is clear that there was a very large amount of suspicion about Belisarius prior to his lynch. It had occurred in a previous day phase and had been somewhat buried by the controversy about Sigurd's post about failure to submit night orders. This suspicion was validly revived when a new suspect was needed after ATPG and Beskar were perceived to be bad votes. And yet, there are now several people attempting to paint the Belisarius lynch as bad and unfounded. They are also singling out Sasaki as the 'ringleader' of the lynch, when it is clear from the history of the discussion that he was nothing of the sort. When it was asked why Belisarius was being lynched, I kindly offered a brief summary.
There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.
FOS: Niklas, Secura, Subotan, and possibly Renata (though her replies have solid reasoning behind them and are not as reactionary as the others).
*yawn*Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Oh... you're finished with the finger pointing?
There was no point where I defended Belisarius; Beskar revealed to me in private that Belisarius had received PMs from Sasaki talking about mafia actions or something, but I wasn't prepared to cast my vote on him without hearing this from Sasaki and Belisarius in-thread.
By the time both posted about these private messages, I was asleep, and the round had ended by the time I had woken up. It was a solid lynch, yes, but by the time the true reasons came to light, I wasn't in a position to vote, being in bed and all.
I for one am not pointing a finger at Sasaki because he was in favour of lynching Belisarius II. I don't think that was a bad lynch.
What does raise my suspicion is a) he didn't quote the entire pm conversation he had with Belisarius II; b) the timing at which he posted a small part of his pm conversation.
I'd like to see the entire thing, that is all. And Sasaki doesn't want to cooperate. My guess is that it contains stuff that might make him look suspicious. If he's innocent, he shouldn't be too afraid of that, as he can probably give reasonable explanations. His unwillingness to cooperate makes him now even more suspicious to me.
I would have voted for Belisarius had the timing been more prompt, namely at a time I was awake to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
The lynch was a decent one, I just wanted to see the evidence that Beskar informed me of before making a decision.
Why'd you skip Ibn, TinCow? He's the one who said outright that he expected mafia on the Belisarius wagon; I raised my eyebrows at that (so to speak) here.
As Secura alludes in her last post, there was something going on behind the scenes that might shed light on how she, Niklas and I reacted; namely, we all got the full-court-press from Beskar to vote Belisarius, based on the information that Sasaki later revealed. Whatever the motivation, it felt manipulative, and though I can't speak for the others, I know it has been an undercurrent to my own posts on the topic since that time.
Your FOS on Subotan seems misplaced entirely (at least for that reason), since in the post you quote he was clearly focused much more on the Beskar bandwagon evaporating than on what had sprung up in its place.
And as I said, you skipped the most egregious example of what you say you're suspicious of.
I assume he skipped over Ibn-Khaldun because he is dead. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
That was a brilliant analysis, Tincow, if I were a Sith I'd also defend all the prominent players, blame a small group of individuals and go completely unnoticed though the game as the helpful guy. Maybe it's time someone has a closer look at you.
Urk. Nevermind. /Emily Litella.
HUrrrrrrr.
/thread
Hmmmm. Yes and no. FoSing the people who instigated the lynch is suspect yes, but FoSing those who jumped on later for the sole-reason of being able to coast on by for another round is entirely acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I thought he accused the holocron of being a Sith Holocron, Atria KOTOR2 style. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Agreed, I was less sure after he revealed to be Galen Marak and he was promoted to a padawan earlier this round. But that is doubts due to new information arriving later. The original bandwagon wasn't flawed, I think Belisarius shot himself in the foot abit with some of his later actions, as he went into complete panick mode. I was watching a video clip while he sent me a PM saying he was Galen Marak, when I returned, I had 3 PM's from him going "you don't believe me do you!" and similar. What also didn't work in his favour is because he is Galen Marak. He was raised a Sith untill his final moments, where he became a Jedi as-such and this was only because Vader and Sidious kept on using him as a toy/plaything to do their dirty work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
Though I will laugh if the Sith is Yoda and Obi-wan though, because they are the obvious "Good Guy" choices.
Actually you're both wrong; he just referenced the existence of a Sith holocron, strictly speaking -- you can't infer from what he said that he thinks the holocron referenced in the write-ups is Sith, nor that the Sith received a holocron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I still want to know where he got the idea.