I literally switched from Ladd to Zelda and explained the vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Just admit you're not paying attention lol.
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I literally switched from Ladd to Zelda and explained the vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Just admit you're not paying attention lol.
i
really like dya's posting today and i can't figure out why
there's not the (overly) stereotypical single-minded push on a suspect or frustration that often gets her v-read
and that and other peoples' opinions have typically formed a decent chunk of my opinion on her in the past
but i have a hard time seeing her as a wolf here and now and it almost bothers me a little
maybe just those anni host soulreads who knows
Cuth, are you talking to/about me in this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
driving home
will be around in an hour or so
I don't remember you having this same attitude when you were being wagoned/about to be lynched in the Valentine's Day game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
(I'm paying attention, but apparently not retaining much)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fable
I do remember you saying early to kill ladd, but I don't remember a vote for ladd.
I also just reread your pzelda vote, and I don't think that explains it all that well, considering how much you were suspecting ladd all that time.
It boils down to either lazy town, or bussing scum for credit. I'm reading the latter as more likely, especially since you seem to be trying so hard to paint your actions as the former.
every1 seems to point to general as always reading logic right if general is good. what is the sample size on that? has he really never been wrong on logics alignment when good?
yes i amQuote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Which one was that? The Hydra where I was the poison healer with Capage? Pretty sure I said I do my best work when pressured there, and was fine with the votes on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egix
If you want a sample of my scum game, Princess Bride, both A & B are quite emblematic of my scum-style.
fable is 1 of my stronger good reads i think. i think his vote on pzelda is the opposite of bussing and trying to get credit from it. it seemed more focused on not lynching ladd and him feeling bad if it happened bc he was memeing
logic, i think my prblm with u is how much difference there is in ur push on ladd vs. what you had to say about ne1 else. it was multi-facted and in depth with a lot backing it up but you dont really have a strong read of that level on anything else good or bad
if u were some1 else who didnt have exp with you, why would you think you were good?
This is not a real thought. How much I was suspecting Ladd? I never explained the vote lmao (It was some stuff seemed lazy early but he was fine later on). And bus cred? Really? If I wanted to play that way I'd be one of the top posters rn I don't believe in busing if you're not pulling weight as a wolf and I never bus d1 anyway. You seen me wolf and I'm planets away from that and you know that. You don't believe anything you're saying and it's obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
im still primarily focusing on ppl who didnt vote for a bad yesterday
that is [choxorn, egix, logic, newyn, myself]
choxorn is tracker claim and is probably good for it i think. i think. it guarantees he wont win personally and hes not trying to have impct on game. idk. hes not on docket for now anyway
i think newyn is good, ive tlked about this a few times. i havent liked his posts while i was catching up as much but i think its more that they didnt do anything for me to agree with them vs thinking hes bad
logic i thought was good on d1 bc of his ladd posts, and other ppl have vouched for him. trying to figure out if thats good enough now with the knolwadge that ladd was prbably good. if ppl vouching for him is a large enough sample im ok with leaving that be, but i dnt see it myself yet
that leaves egix who im voting. my hesitation/problem with egix is that he doesnt seem to all that much care that hes probably gonna die. maybe its a forum vs. irl game thing, but theres usually more panic/pushback from bads who are being turned against and they try 2 actually survive and win. el barto and pzelda didnt either tho i guess
I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars
We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it
It's true. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
open question for ppl
put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?
General Hankerchief.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
Where can I find that/those game/s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I don't expect anyone without knowledge of my player specific meta to think I'm good. I always look a bit scummy no matter my alignment.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
As for Ladd specifically, I saw a couple posts that concerned me, and followed up on those. I currently believe I was following a dead end. Others so far, haven't made posts that cause me significant concern.
@Insaner I might vote for cuthillius today, but him suspecting, pressuring, and dropping me has me thinking he just might be town. I don't know if he gives up like that on something so easily? I'm not sure what to make of it, but I'm not ruling out him pocketing me, and I've already said I dislike making decisions solely on a "TWTBAW" basis, but that's a really weird move to drop a scumread of me from so little interaction.
https://media.tenor.com/images/a4ce4...0083/tenor.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
It is a real thought. I've seen you wolf in champs, and nowhere else that I can recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fable
You pretty much started your day with "kill ladd" and said it was easy read, kinda repeat that a few times without really looking at anyone else, and then.... you vote pzelda because you would feel bad about a lazy vote?
I don't think logîc is wölfy at åll
lunching logic is a terrible idea
and I was typing this post before zack wrote his
what you think about csargo, zack?
vote: dyachei
:charge:
The same as when you last asked me about him (" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ")Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
I thought I only asked about scoobs and cuthQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
oh well
sadly they are all shrug for me too
I don't think cuth/csargo are wolves together fwiw
and I don't think csargo is with dya either
i found the whole going along with dya saying that i'd maligned your villageriness pretty suspiciousQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
and he's not done that much otherwise
but he's really villagery
and he's just that here 96% of the time i think
My reads list is pretty similar to gh's I think :crazy:
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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
https://media.giphy.com/media/ehU46QU8uBbFK/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
can ppl talk about WHY logic is good/a poor lynch? is it a case of playing w/ them before?
https://media1.tenor.com/images/5226...itemid=4160811Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
I was reading Zack's post with special characters as sarcastic. At least Ladd has my back?Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Are you guys both reading Fable as misguided town, or barking up the wrong tree scum trying to make an anti consensus mislynch? I'm bordering on unvoting him, because it seems a very odd move to be this dedicated to a read if he's a wolf.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/8f54...itemid=4996204Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Oh you may be right my badQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
hey dya, why did you choose to ISO people in the order you did?
It wasn't sarcastic, I am just unpredictable and dangerous, perhaps because I haven't shaved in over a weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I think he's a villager
I think he believed hi push on me d1 and his thought process for it was pretty goodQuote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
his posts today seem perfectly fine too and it's true that he isn't a good wolf
+ gh read on him
and ya, fable is likely just a villa
I just don't think this is how they'd wolf
choxorn may just be a wolf tbh
that's hwo you got that moustache?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
ok. my concern is that the push on u is only thing he did d1, and i dnt like his push on fable today. feel like hes spending more time talking about how hes poor as bad and not actually thinking about ppl in game all that muchQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
im just focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for bads on d1 first bc i dont want to vote someone who did vote for a bad over them until im sure all the ppl im looking at are good
yeah i think i have a general idea of his approachQuote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
we're fellow homesiters, but i think i know more about how he plays from seeing a game or two offsite/talking to him since in all honesty
he's quite good at being... straightforward, reasonable, doesn't tend to go for out of the box thinking (which isn't really a bad thing), tends to have a slightly calcified viewpoint on a game after a certain amount of time (again not a terribly uncommon trait, but it's a thing)
more importantly, though, he's not the most self-confident go out there guns blazing kind of person under any circumstances, and certainly not against people who he'd feel like overall have a decent chance of being able to read him
i'm basing my read mostly on his responses to my questions, because i don't think a lot of the rest is especially ai
he was very much collected and said just about everything i'd expect villager!him to say without showing any nervousness or signs that he's not just saying it like it is
i'd assume that'd mean egix isn't one, though?Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
and i'd rather go the other way around maybe
i don't know
it was clearer in my head earlier
It was a weird spot to claimQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
The result wasn't useful and there was still 40 plus hours or whatever until the lunch
I'm probably still not touching it because it's true he never survives the game with that claim
merlin, can you explain what exactly felt artificial about insaner posts d1 and why did you say you liked him cliaming a 100% read on pzelda but made no effort trying to sort out pzelda and see if insaner may havehad apoint?
@ merl1n I have a 100% wolf read on GH here.
Assuming 4 mafia in the game (typical for a 17er), we should in no universe be looking at Choxorn until we flip the third at minimum. Closed setup + not full flips so you have to worry about ninja modifiers running around, but assuming he's telling the truth he basically becomes a full cop when there's only one scum left.
I see insaner is reprising the cemeteries role here.
If I was in a position of tiebreaking GH or chox, I'd vote for GH 95% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insaner
Also, I doubt there are any 3p in this game
I can feel gh's internal screaming from hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Logic
https://media1.tenor.com/images/7edd...itemid=5454418Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
we're not touching a hair on gh's head here
he just felt really artificial. he'd oscillate between kind of crazy aggression with seeming rlly overly reasonable/kind of slimy posts. kind of a caricature maybe? IME bads tend to be a lot more aggressive and try to get their way and he fit that archetype, especially when ppl were voting for ppl that felt like they just hadnt done anything to read into. i still dont understand y ppl picked el barto and pzelda over the like 6 other ppl who hadnt done anything, thats why i felt so hesitant/suspicious towards ppl pushing on the low content lynches. csargo got mentioned bsiclly 0 times on d1 for example. dyachei wasnt here and got barely talked about. logic had the post on u then disappeared. i did read pzelda and try to figure out what i thought, i made a post saying they cld die after doing so, maybe i should have been more clear? i just didnt feel like there was anything in there that made them good or bad and ppl having such sure reads felt rlly weird to me on d1. d1 is usually just killing someone who is suspicious and then real game starts on n1/d2. its unfortunate reality that i found most of the ppl pushing pzelda to be suspicious but theres a good chance they were all good. or mostly good. i have 1 person on that vote that im looking into atm. i liked insaner having that 100% confidence bc if he was a bad pushing a lynch on a good it makes him accountable for it and hed be under a lot of scrutiny, so i thought it made him more likely good. theres a small part of me that is kind of scared he had that 100% confidence because he knew pzelda was bad tho, bc i dont like any other reads hes pushing right now i dont thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
That is quite dirty and rather inappropriate, cuth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
https://media.giphy.com/media/O5VAyLIJnOwnK/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
we're not touching gh at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
Why? It would be consistent with his post in 1170. lulQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
ya i think general is very likely good here, and i dont understand insaners posts abt him
a bit at loss on who exactly to lynch
I think the PoE is good and I am very confident on my villas but as for the rest it's just shrug
I guess I should start collecting non w/w reads on the people in the PoE and see where that brings me
What makes general good iyo?Quote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they wereQuote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
the chain of commandQuote:
Originally Posted by Insaner
Nobody besides me has considered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
If people have, there would be more people wolf reading GH right now.
and the GAH was the GAYQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
i think the combination of posts he had about el barto and pzelda makes him very unlikely to be a partner with both of them. if one was bad and the other good i think hed be possible, but both seems unlikely to me. he also went against the grain w/ a read on me in a way that felt real. if he was bad hed have room to actually push me today on the back of that since i was so wrong on d1 but he hasntQuote:
Originally Posted by Insaner
Well, look at it empirically. PZelda wasn't around. Barto was... doing whatever that was. That's two of the (presumed) four who weren't really having much of an impact at EOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
Let's say the third was Egix just for argument's sake. Egix's last post of D1 was this, with an hour and 40 minutes before the lynch:
He moved off Monty to ladd, both of whom I have as town, at a time when PZelda was starting to pick up momentum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egix
(here's the tally 45 minutes before the Egix vote, not quite up to date at the time of the vote, but should give you a decent picture + movement to Pzelda:)
So Egix was trying to get a town lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by nl.
That leaves the fourth. It's looking like it's between PZelda, Choxorn, and Barto. ladd was kind of in contention but I personally don't really think that he was ever in serious danger there, simply because too many people, myself included, wanted to give him a day out of respect for his solving skills. In a situation like this, where you have mafia/mafia/town (presumed) wagons, and one of your other partners is already on town, what do you do?
1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)
I'm not coloring in my leans, only the exact flips so far.
Barto and PZelda were spread out. Egix was on ladd. Do you bunch up on ladd, try for Choxorn, or just bus?
Most of my not-Egix POE are spread out, so I can't think of a good answer. Newyn's in the "try for the town that your other partner not in danger isn't trying for" camp on Choxorn. Csargo could be bussing Barto. dya could be bussing PZelda. You could be doubling up on ladd trying to make sure a townie goes down. Not really sure we can get a full picture with what we know so far, there are too many possible people and too many unknowns at present.
this is the post that made me think "yeah logic is a villager"Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
"I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer" what wolf ever says/does this
What posts? GH never talked about pzelda at all until I literally forced his hand by telling him to sheep my god read on Capage. He had little choice in the matter because I would always push his lynch through since people were villa reading me and some were already saying I could be right. Pzelda was always going to die in this game because of my push. The only thing GH he could have done to salvage the situation was get on board with the lynch. You said it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
Which is exactly what he did. And it was the same thing with El Barto because Zack was always going to get him lynched. I made a post where I included every post GH made about El Barto and pzelda and there wasn't a single one where he actually proactively pushed the lynch on either of them - there was only sheeping. People should not be giving GH credit for either of those flips.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl1n
hey i'm on a computer for the first time since friday
neat! :computer:
@Montmorency
The reason I avoided you earlier was because I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer.
For the most part I'm not going to be engaging with you for the rest of this phase, but the red is completely ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insaner
I could simply have ignored you, for starters.
this is the post that made me think "yeah generalhankerchief is a villager"Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
"I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer" what wolf ever says/does this
Don't forget that Barto did try a vote for Ladd post EOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
thats the "what happened" pov ya. im thinking more on specifics in terms of how ppl positioned themselves to get credit or not get credit
ive bn focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for a bad but: im good, i think newyn is good, ppl call logic good, that leaves exactly egix. so theres at least 1 and maybe 2 ppl bussing if egix is bad/good respectively. with two bads under fire, who looked like they were trying to turn a shitty situation into something that benefitted them?
only the red part was ridiculous?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
but so was logic and you just voted him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
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Originally Posted by Cuthillius
can you explain what made you switch this read so drastically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
I get that you said you can't figure out why, but can you try to go slightly more in detail?
thanks