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:laugh4: I guess I can't be too mad at boudica. :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Although I'm just a tomboyish girl. Don't know what the deal is. :laugh4:
I can interrogate him if you would like :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
You can only have one top priority. There is more than one mafia. I'm your top priority you've made it clear (by tomorrow I'll go back and show how your suspicion of me is entirely in response to my case on you, but that's an aside) so are you saying that everyone who isn't me is "probably innocent"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Ok. I say "changing your story because it was made up the first time" you say "badly worded i know". Townies are more likely to get their main reasons correct than mafioso.Quote:
The detective results were the main reason, badly worded i know.
No Lg. You trying to convince people that you were townie, and the reason you used was that you had made a an original case on alexander, and that you had told the town not to lynch reenk and pizza, which mafia wouldn't do. Both of those are false. Here is your "original case" on alexander:Quote:
Earlier he claimed he was pro town because he was pushing his original case on alexander when everyone else was making bad choices.
They were bad choices!!
Reenk has since been proven to be town... so im making a bad choice by not voting this townie... LIES!
ATPG you have defended yourself... so im making a bad choice by not voting someone you belive to be innocent and who everyone else is voting for just because of pizza's usual wifom...... LIES!
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Originally Posted by LG
One, I haven't lied. Two, you just played settlement with me where you warned me off TinCow. As a townie you would know that the second part of your statement is an exaggeration.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Does this sound like someone who thinks I'm guilty? No, it sounds like someone who is voting me because I'm going after him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
And LG, what you're claiming is that you said things which were scummy and that my not accepting your explanation of "well I didn't mean it that way" means I'm guilty. Except in this post you aren't suggesting I'm guilty.
So you agree with me Sasaki on my assertion that LG is behaving as if he "being persecuted"? In that instead of responding normally, he has gone out of his way to defame his "accuser"?
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Originally Posted by YLC
Yes.
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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Got to admire the WIFOM, eh? Dear English Godfather, you are a worthy adversary :bow:
No L_G, we won't kill you, we are enjoying watching you struggling with the constant inquisition. The town will slowly tear you into little pieces. That's more than even the most cruel kill write-up could do.
Besides, we're not going to waste two kills on you if it can be acomplished by one lynch.
Die, L_G, DIE !!! You made one mistake this game, which was killing me :brood:
You can only have one top priority. There is more than one mafia. I'm your top priority you've made it clear (by tomorrow I'll go back and show how your suspicion of me is entirely in response to my case on you, but that's an aside) so are you saying that everyone who isn't me is "probably innocent"?
I don't think that one is even my fault for being badly worded. You clearly decided to take that comment out of context. My top priority is getting the person i think most scummy lynched, nothing wrong with that!
Ok. I say "changing your story because it was made up the first time" you say "badly worded i know".
Why would i allude to another reason if i didn't have one as a mafia (rather than a badly worded townie) unless it supposed to be some kind of fruedian slip.... becuase ive never really had one in real life let alone a message i type and then send...
No Lg. You trying to convince people that you were townie, and the reason you used was that you had made a an original case on alexander, and that you had told the town not to lynch reenk and pizza, which mafia wouldn't do. Both of those are false. Here is your "original case" on alexander:
I obviously didn't make my case based on not voting for ATPG and Reenk,what i did was make a different case rather than vote for them, this wasn't the turn they drew level on votes, which i hadn't realised, but they had votes on them at the timeso rather than go for stupidly easy lynches and blend in with the crowd i decided to go for someone else... some great mafia play there...
Here are some general posts where i criticised Reenk and ATPG's lynches....
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=447
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=660
though not the round they where drawn on...
I couldn't be bothred to read that far... i read about 10 pages so far... if you wait a little later ill continue the search
One, I haven't lied.
Maybe not flat out lies but half truths and misdirection... at best!
Does this sound like someone who thinks I'm guilty? No, it sounds like someone who is voting me because I'm going after him.
I have explained why i start voting for you, its not because you went for me... its because your acting strange... or 'off' i usually leave people who vote for me alone... especially as mafia... im pretty sure tincow warned me off engaging people who didn't believe my reveal as a god in Midgaard II, if i think an innocent person is incorrect on me i will protest my case but not revenge vote... this is different because sasaki is acting differently and this is why im voting for him... not because he's voting for me...
And LG, what you're claiming is that you said things which were scummy and that my not accepting your explanation of "well I didn't mean it that way" means I'm guilty. Except in this post you aren't suggesting I'm guilty.
Part of my claim of your guilt is your misinterpratation of my words... the one was badly worded fair enough... the rest seemed fairly clear to me and this is why i think your deliberately twisting my words into a case... go look at midgaard II i was a non attention grabbing townie... fairly by the book but not so clean i was dirty... pretty different from my behaviour now...
And in the post you quoted i wasn't calling you guilty or innocent... i was pondering your reasons for going for me and misinterpratating my posts...
Got to admire the WIFOM, eh? Dear English Godfather, you are a worthy adversary
Me... now you deserve all the credit.. your the comedian.
I would like to point out the usual strategy with revealed scum is ignore whatever they say..
No L_G, we won't kill you, we are enjoying watching you struggling with the constant inquisition.
I guess its better to have me here as lynch bait just incase one of your buddies is one of the other lynch candidates... or maybe your here to back up your buddy sasaki ?
Besides, we're not going to waste two kills on you if it can be acomplished by one lynch.
It will only require one kill to get me... go on try it... i gaurentee i die after only one attack...
Better still prove im a godfather, attack me and then the town could lynch me if i survive !!
But you would rather have me here as lynch bait to save your buddies....
Die, L_G, DIE !!! You made one mistake this game, which was killing me
I only wish i did, your buddies are going down next!
I'm going to let it rest here LG. And I'll say right now that I'm not going to spend all tomorrow pursuing you--so to non lg-family, you can't count on me spending all day on it, so if you want to take him out you better do it by night. I've said as much as I can say on lg, it's up to the rest of you to read the case.
Lord Winter is someone who needs attention.
So were agreed then, Andres wanted the town to lynch me and sasaki was pushing for it, now sasaki is going to put his focus elsewhere and it doesn't seem anyone else will vote for me, so surely Andres the only choice is for your family to attack me tonight and prove i am the godfather through my survival!
Plan!!
I would be quite looking forward to being revealed as innocent to hear some apologies... but i suspect the people accusing me are scum anyway.... so it will be a rather shallow victory...
FactionHeir:
Griz asserts that you were claiming to be a detective. Were you?
I read back through your posts and though you referenced a write-up, you didn't claim a name or a role that I saw. Did I miss summat?
Here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
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And yes, I was detective/roleblocker/protector
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1157
*looks at the quote by FactionHeir*......sounds like bull:daisy: to me.....anyone who thinks he is right has lost it...:bow:
I am growing more and more suspiscious of FH. It's known we had a third party role left, one more neutral role. If I read ATPG accusations of FH correctly, it was "You simply don't care who dies". I think were skipping out on the possibility that FH was a neutral third party role, and not protown.
I can't wait until this night is over, and see who lives.
What third party? I was the detective/doctor/roleblocker with the ability to start "work" on N6 incidentally. Seamus probably has detective abilities as well, not sure about the rest. Both of us are pro town I believe, or that is what I was told when I was assigned the role anyway.
Those questioning this probably have ulterior motives.
As for me not caring who dies, its more like I cared not to vote WE because I figured he was innocent but due to the fantastic way this "town" managed to set up the votes, you got 2 town killed at once.
Glad you responded.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Pever specifically stated that there where 6 mafia in two families, 3 protown roles, and 2 neutral roles.
We have only lost one of the neutral roles, so it's possible you were neutral, since your death doesn't explicitly state your alignment, although it's possible your protown (high chance), we still have both James and Christy unaccounted for (again, going off of Pever's wiki article).
I was talking about your past behavior FH, in which ATPG continued to use the same reasoning to vote for you, not your behavior in the round you were lynched.
ATPG generally posts a lot but gets the wrong people lynched :yes: (no offence ATPG :P)
So I say all that and you dodge it all with a Non Sequitur? Nice :brood:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Yeah, FactionHeir, it's an interesting point. Townies don't know who to lynch, but some of them, who want to kill the mafia, try to do so. And then, when they make the wrong choice, or when other players don't vote to save themselves and others intentionally kill themselves, it's easy to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Forgive me for trying.
I do want to say, since he's dead and either pro-town or neutral, there is no point in hammering FactionHeir anymore, YLC. Perhaps another target?
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NO! NO! White_Eyes... seriously. Hold on one second.
3 Irish Mafia: (from the play) Brendan, Joey, and Christy (we think)
3 English Mafia: Mike Fingers, Oswald, and... ???
3+2 Pro-town or neutral: Donney, Davey, Mairead, James... and ???
Serial Killer: Padraic
Donney cannot be mafia, nor Davey. Seriously. Think about it.
mairead was a defender or a roleblocker! Davey was a defender or a roleblocker or an investigator! Seamus is Donney, who must be either pro-town or neutral. Probably the detective, but I don't know. All I know is that Donney CANNOT be mafia.
:ignore:
GAH!!!!
I give up. Listen, White_eyes, the mafia will probably take out Seamus, because most of us think that he's the final pro-town role. When that happens, you HAVE to drop the inquisition against Donney and Factionheir.
This is not good judgment, but don't listen to me, I'm just the pizza man.
I also want to point out that if Seamus and Factionheir are scum, then the English mafia:
Mike Fingers, Oswald, Davey, Donney.
That's 4 members. It doesn't even add up correctly. Not to mention 2 Irish names from the play. The host said that the English mafia were characters not from the play.
Please don't edit your posts out White_eyes. Now it sounds like I'm talking to myself. :stars:
Whie Eyes ca yo cofirm ey ha pizzagy is akig o himsef?
:shrug:....I noticed Seamus was either telling the truth or I misjudged him....:juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I have no idea:sweatdrop:
Trust me, White_eyes, we all make mistakes. So, are you sending messages to the mafia Sasaki, or do you need a new keyboard?
I am telling the truth in my reveal. I suspect that my detective status will be confirmed emphatically in the not too distant future -- though I'll report my N7 results on Sasaki-san if I am incorrect as to that confirmation.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
I cannot judge FH's "role" status. By my count we have at least one unknown/unnamed so far for each mafia (though I think you may have the names right based on the wiki piece as springboard). By my count, we still have one pro-town role (me, reenk, ?) unaccounted for as well as one neutral (AVSM, ?). There are more roles left than generic townies -- which bodes ill for the town unless we score well in the next day or two.
Un game related, but can someone explain why the certain keys on mykeyboar qi fciio so of a bich go am i m i' ask agai aer
why certain keys on my keyboard quit functioning at random? They seem to come back if I type the whole alphabet and then hold one of them down...or maybe that's just my imagination. Not crumbs or water damage.
LOL (in my best text-only Jon Lovitz impersonation:)
so of a bich, eh? That's nice language. You wouldn't type that out unless you knew you couldn't type it. Smells like... ACTING!
PS: why does it look like your url avatar ate half of my url avatar's face?
Donney spent the night at home--knowing better than to drink at a time like this--desperately trying to console himself after the death of Mairead the previous night. She had saved his life, but he had been incapable of saving hers. Could a linguist, could a grammarian, could even a mathematician have seen what he had, have witnessed the events of the past week, and have known the end result of it, without feeling that circumstances had been at work to foil his every effort? -- How much more must an imaginist, like himself, be on fire with speculation and foresight! -- especially with such a groundwork of investigation as his mind had already made. Not being able to stand his own house, he left to visit her grave.
It was no use blaming himself for his failure to catch the villains, he decided. Instead, he must comfort himself with the knowledge that no man or woman lives forever. Even kings are eaten by worms, and the dust from the decayed corpse of Alexander the Great might be used today to stop a hole in a beer barrel.
As he arrived at the cemetery gate, he paused to allow a carriage containing a fellow mourner out through the gate and onto the road that led to the cliff where Joey had perished the night before, and then continued towards the grave of Mairead. At first he walked at his usual pace, but as he caught sight of her resting place he walked faster and faster. By the time he arrived at the grave he was running at such a speed that he was nearly unable to avoid falling into the large, deep, and above all empty hole where her coffin should have been.
It was then that he remembered the carriage he had passed on his way in. Taking a short cut, he ran as fast as he could towards the clifftop, thankful now more than ever that he had kept in good shape, even in his later years. As he came over the rise, he saw the carriage with the coffin in the backseat, but no horse or driver. Sensing a trap, he at first walked cautiously towards the carriage, but when he saw that it was slowly rolling towards the edge of the cliff, he sprinted to it. The carriage was too heavy for him to stop, and when he climbed up into the back he found that the coffin was latched shut and bolted to the floorboards. His efforts were clearly anticipated, but was so overwhelmed by thoughts of the coffin shattering to pieces on the rocky shore that he ignored the warning signs and stayed on the moving carriage, yanking desperately on the lock, throwing his whole weight behind each tug. His crazed efforts took effect, but when he ripped the lock off and opened the lid of the coffin, he discovered two things.
First, that the coffin was empty.
Second, that the front of the carriage was tilting downwards at a rapidly increasing angle.
Oswald rode his horse out from the woods and gazed down at the bits of carriage, coffin, and Seamus strewn all over the rocks below. He gave a sigh of satisfaction, and turned his horse towards the village.
Brendan walked in to Mcdoogals and saw seireikhaan sitting at the bar. He walked up to him and said would you like to buy me a pint? And seireikhaan turned and said no buy your own drink you don't know who I am. Brendan said no but I know this much. I hate anyone who doesnt fight for ireland. He smashed seireikhaan over the head with his beer. are you the blind mice said seireikhaan? Brendan prepared to slit his throat, raising the shard of beer bottle in his hand. Seireikhaan just backhanded him across the face saying "Don't you know who I am?" Brendan was surprised, no one had fought back in this way before. Normally it got physical, not this backhanding stuff! Seireikhaan just kept advancing on Brendan saying "Don't you know who I am?", with each step, backhanding Brendan once more. With a might swing, he knocked Brendan on to the ground. "I'm Heilyn :daisy:!" and with that, he left the bar. Brendan stayed on the ground, visibly shocked. With a slightly sad face, he just looked around awkwardly and left a card that said Two Blind Mice. As he left he killed Sigurd and said "for Joey".
Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
El Diablo
Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists (WoG)
gaelic cowboy (WoG)
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut (suicide)
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink
Sigurd (WoG)
Seamus
Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910
White Eyes
Factionheir
It is now Day 8.
Remember, today. in adition to the normal vote for a lynch, Diana is a different vote. You vote to either keep her alive or kill her. She may not be voted for the normal lynch. The majority decision will deliver her fate. Please indicate your choice by
Code:Life: Diana
or
Death: Diana
Wow. That write-up suggests either a powerful neutral role, or a Godfather revealed. From the name I'd guess the former - but either way, unless he has a convincing response:
vote: Sushikhaan
Life:Diana
...although that will be subject to change dependant on whether someone with more maf-experience than I can explain why we have Diana's life in our hands as a separate issue from the lynch.
I see the mafia have not taken care of LG. Well, I lied about laying off him today...
I'll go over the thread and write up my case in the morning, but this is how I see it:
khann--english godfather--nightkill immunity that andres revealed (though i'd thought he was making it up at the time), lurking, named role.
Lord Winter--Oswald--only living player who could write it imo, lurked whole game, claims he hasn't paid attention but his posts make it obvious that he was familiar with the content of the writeup--he detailed why he thought it wasn't a reenk imitation.
LittleGrizzly--Irish godfather--I've said a lot on this. Picking him as Irish for the blind mice hinting thing, and because:
Pizza guy--Brendan. The kill choices have been pizza guy through and through (especially seamus and reenk), LG defended him this game, he dismissed my case on LG and said he would vote for him the next day. Next day he goes after reenk for the oswald writeup. I also find it completely unbelievable that townie-pizza would not have "gone crazy-pizza-style" at any point during the game. He hasn't had his mid game wildness, with the making up crazy theories. I skimmed the thread and there is a lot of artificial dialogue between andres--Grizz--Pizza. Andres accusing grizz is the kind of distancing ploy that andes LOVES.
As for the rest:
myself--innocent
diana--votes the same way as pizza. Might be good to kill her, might not, depends on math
el diablo--if he's lurking godfather I'll be pissed, nothing to see from his posts
GH--seems himself, was willing to pose as detective, went out on a limb on the white_eyes case.
boudica--reached a tie vote at one point. Pizza did save her, but he's too strongly connected to LG. The offer of suicide doesn't seem like something boudica would try as godfather.
Very interesting points, although the one thing that bothers me is that if 'Khaan is the English Godfather then why is his name Heilyn?. The fact Brendan is shocked by this revelation makes no sense if Heilyn is English Godfather. Sure - Brendan would be shocked if he'd tried to kill (his own?) Irish Godfather, but surely not the English one. No - my bet is that 'Khaan is a neutral role...wait! - just one more thing...
How did Brendan get the chance to kill Sigurd as well as his attempt on Khaan? or is that a WoG thing?
EDIT: oh yeah - Sigurd was Wrath of Godded
I made some changes....I would not listen to Sasaki....he has a forked tongue...:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Hi Oswald, trying to save your godfather, Don 'khaan, there, hm? You should do it less obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
And yes, Sasaki is right, LittleGrizzly is my Godfather. Please lynch 'khaan first and give us one more round. I'll do the next kill write-up myself in return and I promise it will be amusing. After that, you can lynch L_G. It has been a fun game and my team will leave with honor.
:bow:
That claim about LG is so bold I'm almost tempted to believe it. Andres - no offence but I am putting your dead :daisy: on mute.
Hah! the irish mafia did not attack me last night to prove i am the english godfather... what say you now andres ?
Andres accusing grizz is the kind of distancing ploy that andes LOVES.
So you and your scum buddy Andres set this up in advance ?
LG defended him this game,
I also defended Reenk and went against the White Eyes lynch, i merely defend those i think to be innocent, and at the moment every player i have defended has turned out to be innocent.... wouldn't surprise me if im right on pizza as well!
andres--Grizz--Pizza.
Did i not say that this was a possible ploy by sasaki by bringing andres in... and look what a surprise... andres appearance and talking to me is now being used by sasaki as part of his case!!
At best scum should be completely ignored, they are not stupid and can use reverse physcology and all kinds of tricks to get thier way.... look at the way Sasaki has used Andres in this game!
I have only talked to Andres since he accussed me of being the English Godfather... do you usually ignore accussations and not answer them... i prefer not to...
Have had hardly any direct talking with pizza guy... no more than my usual fare with pizza, seen as he's usually the most frequent poster and im usually inside the top 10 posters we are bound to talk now and again...
I see the mafia have not taken care of LG. Well, I lied about laying off him today...
One of many lies...
Listen to WE proven innocent and don't buy the lies of Sasaki!
The english mafia... Andres, Sasaki + ???? are trying to set me up as lynch bait for these final rounds... don't fall for the mafia's tricks!!
Vote Sasaki
Lets hunt some english mafia!
unsure on this whole life and death for diana thing... i have seen nothing to lead to me to be suspicious of Diana...
So i guess Life Diana
And yes, Sasaki is right, LittleGrizzly is my Godfather. Please lynch 'khaan first and give us one more round. I'll do the next kill write-up myself in return and I promise it will be amusing. After that, you can lynch L_G. It has been a fun game and my team will leave with honor.
Your lies shall be buried with your family Andres!
Boudica has the right idea... confirmed scum = best ignored...
My dear Godfather LittleGrizzly, you know better than to call our mastermind Sasaki a scumbag.
Boudica and Sasaki are on at an unusual time for them, and together, might I add. Neato. And the case on me was so well-constructed too. Let me see if I can find that gem:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
This is my favorite part. Townie-pizza didn't go crazy this game? Excuse me while I laugh. :laugh4: Very nicely done Sasaki. I loved how nice you were to me all game to gain my favor. Should I reveal all your lovely PMs to me? Trying to pass on your veteran wisdom, take me under your wing, Sasaki? Right. That's absolutely Sasaki behavior. Not a bit unusual. :grin: Please don't lynch LittleGrizzly... oh no... he's my godfather... please don't.... I cannot bear the thought of losing LittleGrizzly... nooooo... *yawn*
What is this evidence of artificial dialogue? Mmmmm.... tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. Seireikhaan and Sasaki, or boudica and Sasaki. Either way, you get Sasaki. But Sasaki must be Oswald... whoever could be his Godfather... mmmm.... boudica? Or named role Seireikhaan? Even better.... boudica was investigated... so she can only be... innocent townie or Godfather.
So, to me, the question is... do we lynch Boudica, or do we lynch Sasaki... or do we lynch Seireikhaan? Given that Boudica and Sasaki have no love for Seireikhaan, that tells me that Seireikhaan is not part of a boudica-Khaan duo.... or a Sasaki-khaan duo. Well well well. Guess that means only one thing: Boudica is the English Godfather. How lovely. It is no small wonder that Sasaki didn't go after me for what had to be completely suicidal and bad-townie behavior of saying "please get the votes off of boudica... I think she's innocent..." when I was tied with her. Oh, I must have been your savior, Sasaki and boudica. No wonder you've kept me alive this long. Well played. But your accusation of me at this late hour, showing up together, and stating a flimsy case... both having no love for Khaan...
And Lord Winter is Oswald? Mmm yes that adds up too. Sure... because he privately asked to suicide, unlike boudica, who publicly asked to suicide, and retracted it. She obviously wants no such thing. :mellow: You know, I tried and tried to find mafia all game, and apparently all I really had to do is sit back and wait for them to self-destruct under the pressure.
Today is a good day. :medievalcheers:
I loved how nice you were to me all game to gain my favor. Should I reveal all your lovely PMs to me? Trying to pass on your veteran wisdom, take me under your wing, Sasaki? Right.
Sasaki is just a super friendly townie trying to help you Pizza... and you assume this to be him trying to gain favour for his scummy schemes ?
How dare you! Sasaki is as pure as the driven snow!
ATPG... im intrested in your Boudica Sasaki case, (from memory) she doesn't seem to be paticularly connected to sasaki... she didn't jump on the case he made on me and try to further it.. so are there any paticular posts which you can poin to as proof of a connection...
As i do remember you also linking me and sasaki... what makes you right this time ?
Ohh and to your question...
or do we lynch Sasaki
Yes! please town we need to lynch him today!
@ Askthepizzaguy:laugh4: Should you get your way and have me lynched I can already see the bang-head-against-wall smiley you're going to be using. You should study your post for evidence of exactly why your previous attempts at constructing some kind of fool-proof mafia detection tool did not work. Your 'evidence' is very much lead by your heart/how you happen to be feeling at this precise moment and it is above all inaccurate:
1) The write-up which NAMES 'Khaan as Heilyn is the first time I have referred to Khaan I think in this epic thread - to describe that as me 'having no love for him' to produce some link between myself and Sasaki is just you seeing what you want to see, or at best, using the accusation as a lure/bait.
2) I did not retract my suicide request - I was told specifically that - as a suspect, I could not suicide.
You MAY very well have some cogent points hidden amongst that mire of whimsy - but I have no way of extracting any use from it AS A ROLE-LESS TOWNIE!
Now without trying to change the subject, I'd like to reiterate my question about why people think we have the opportunity to kill Diana Abnoba as a side-order to the lynch vote. I'm tempted to change my verdict to death, just because ... well I don't know - that's why I'm asking...
Boudica i thought the same thing... what if some kind of pro town role found some scum and this is the way thier power works ??
On the other hand whoever was using this power im sure could have somehow got info into the thread before the choice was offered...
Im pretty sure this choice isn't a mafia ability... but it could be a serial killer ability or a pro town ability... or just something completely random!!
I have decided unless someone can provide a good argument this is being done by good guys im going to stick to a life vote...
Yes, at one point, LG... I thought you and Sasaki had been going after one another to distance yourselves. But if one of you were a Godfather, that would be very dangerous. You've been investigated, as has boudica. Sasaki was not. On the night he was supposed to be investigated, Seamus died.
Sasaki and Boudica think that Seireikhaan is scum. Seireikhaan has a named role, alignment unrevealed. I'd be willing to lynch him, but frankly he could only be a neutral role at this point, with the ability to avoid being murdered. Of a higher priority is Sasaki, who is a suspect for being Oswald. Since I know that I didn't do the kills, Sasaki accusing me of being Brendan now, instead of Oswald... that's rich. Why Brendan and not Oswald, as he originally stated? And why lord winter as Oswald?
How would he assume I am Brendan and not Oswald, unless he were Oswald himself? I don't rest my case, but frankly, I can stop here to let it all sink in.
Lord Winter could only be Brendan; I seriously don't think that Lord Winter, who I believe is not a native English speaker, would do the Oswald kills. But, I suppose it's possible that someone wrote them for him. I knew the author clue would come in handy. Since he asked to suicide privately instead of publicly, that sounds more sincere to me than boudica's offer.
And why, oh why, did they both show up within an hour of the writeup? I monitor all activity, and that is why I suspected Ituralde, and Itsy was mafia. Boudica, who has asked to suicide, and has shown little attention to detail in-thread, now shows up immediately after the writeup, at an unusual time for her, to state a bad case against Seireikhaan?
Priceless.
Bottom line, if you're a Godfather, LittleGrizzly, I'll eat my hat. You're not working with Sasaki or boudica, or else I must bow, bow, bow to your incredibly ballsy play. Of the two of you, you gave the better performance, and I'd rather go after boudica or Sasaki first, and question Seireikhaan this round to find out what role he has, before I bother with you, LG.
As for the life/death thing: Seems to be a result of the tied vote between White_eyes and factionheir. The host "warned" us something bad would happen. So, we are being asked to kill the person responsible for the tie.
And boudica... may I ask why you're online at this hour? :wink:
Ok - the life/death thing makes sense, so I shall stick with my 'life' verdict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
and in answer to your question: Yes you may: I am online while I should be working (which I am attempting to do simultaneously). Since my work placement ended this is a great deal easier as I am able to work from home (a mixture of freelance work and personal projects - heavy on the freelance right now for which I should be thankful and probably not reading reams of posts about this most excellent game I am becoming addicted to)
As I have repeatedly stated when questioned - I have found I can handle 2 games of mafia at a time: Any more and I cannot commit the time to make any kind of useful contribution as town, or pay enough attention as mafia :laugh4:
Since your Psychomafia game ended I am back to 2 games, although I feel that if I am to make a better contribution I shall have to re-read what is fast approaching 1,500 posts.
No, there's no need to read 1500 posts. I'll give you a summary:Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
English or Irish mafia:
- Godfather : LittleGrizzly
- Oswald (remaining grunt): pizzaguy;
Irish or English mafia:
- Godfather : 'khaan
- Brendan : boudica
Remaining secret role:
- it's a secret, but I think it's Sasaki. It's always him and he's always scum :listen:
Summary of all of Boudica's behavior all game. Fun!
Votes Gaelic Cowboy.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Accuses Gaelic Cowboy.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Gaelic Cowboy.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Acting very innocent. She is usually a LOT more observant. She read the same writeup we all did, but pretended not to fully understand the situation.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Votes Reenk RoinkSpoiler Alert, click show to read:
Excuses for lack of participation. OMGUS votes me.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Even better: claims not to know I offered myself up for the lynch round one. Not very observant... acting like she's not paying attention... when she clearly is just trying to make herself appear innocent. Boudica not giving her best effort as a townie... doesn't sit well with me. Not after all the games I've seen her be a townie in.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Oh, now she remembers. What a reversal. Swayed by the conflict between me and Reenk... what a vague accusation. Not your usual stuff, B. You usually have a very precise reason for voting someone.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I love the "plain and simple no-role boudica" line. "I'm not such a bad lynch option..." That's classic. And we should take your word that you're innocent. With the town's best interest in mind, you won't unvote me even after your completely backwards accusation.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Votes Sasaki... reasons? Distancing herself from Sasaki. After all, she didn't state a case. Maybe she wanted to vote Sasaki without causing a bandwagon.
Obviously paying attention to the game, but still feigning confusion.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
A particularly hilarious accusation; there has never been ANY post from Diana which could indicate she could write a Shakespearean murder. Nor I, to be frank. I have over 6000 posts here, and while creative writing is something I got an award for, NONE of it has been remotely close to Shakespearean. Usually I write blood and guts and carnage on a basic but entertaining level, and you know this, because you've seen my games. I can link you to the post I got the award for, too. None of it is Shakespearean. Boudica, your writing has been very, very English-friendly.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Ah, but you asked to be thrown a bone when you said we should trust you. Apparently you don't want to offer the same courtesy... double standards.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The sympathy post. Appeal to emotion? You've never done that before as a townie, if I recall. "Don't Lynch Me"Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
"Probably best you lynch me"Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Make up your mind! :laugh4:
Downplaying your own abilities. You are kicking yourself around, Boudica... when have you EVER done that before?Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
You didn't leave... you returned right away. You were just ducking suspicion and questioning. Your answers to 3 and 4 were lacking. You had since the beginning of the game to do that writeup, and YOU could have done it.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Where is your vote, Boudica? Lynch me. Aren't I your big suspect? LYNCH ME.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Inconsistent play. Whether I am a henchman or a Godfather, you should try to lynch me if I am your suspect, B.
So quick to flush Seireikhaan. You didn't even bother to wait for discussion, nor did you ask him what his role was. You saw the softest target in the game: someone with a confirmed role besides you. You're online at an unusual time. You immediately attack, without thinking it through or stating a case. You and Sasaki arrive at the same time. You voted for him earlier in the game, but dropped it and have been going after others ever since.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Oh yes, Sasaki has interesting, interesting points.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I have several of my own. See: .............. ............ ............ and ................
Points.
In summary:
1. Went after townies all game, except for poor Sasaki, who you never REALLY went after.
2. Downplays all her abilities
3. Lurks
4. Avoids questioning
5. Inconsistent strategy
6. Interesting timing after the writeup.
7. Investigated as innocent, with fewer and fewer Oswald suspects left to go... Sasaki is one of them. You and Sasaki have been best friends all game, in spite of some distancing tactics.
8. Constantly kicks herself for being less helpful and promises to do better
9. Offers to be lynched
10. Asks not to be lynched right afterward
11. Offers to "suicide" when she was a suspect to avoid suspicion and deflect it. Clearly for show.
Now TBH im slightly suspicious of your defense of 'khaan, from Andres we now godfathers can survive one night attack (is there any way to confirm this through non scummy sources ?) we have nothing that leads us to believe there are any other roles that could survive a night attack...
Though thinking on this the way Andres conveniently told us this information yesterday whilst trying to get me lynched... it could be a mafia setup...
Ok this post seems a bit convuluted but im thinking as i type... perhaps it would be best to keep 'khaan alive, if he really is another godfather then perhaps the mafia will just take him out tonight instead, no need for the town to waste a lynch killing him, we should concentrate on sasaki today and if 'khaan survives the night we could possibly revisit the case...
I would be much happier having the mafia waste a kill on him whilst we can lynch the other mafia...
Edit: thats a pretty damn good case on boudica.... though i would say one or two of your points are to do with player lazyness, and players are usually lazy when they haven't got anything to protect... apart from those points its a fairly good case
IF we can lynch sasaki today... and depending on the 'khaan situation i may go for your boudica case tomorrow...
BTW does anyone else find it dodgy that Sasaki seem's fairly sure 'khaan is the english godfather but decides to go after me anyway ??
Strange behaviour for someone who supposedly isn't scum...
Oh come on now, Don LittleGrizzly, like me, you know pretty damn well that Godfathers don't survive night attacks. That was just me spouting nonsense. I do admire your effort at getting a powerful pro-town role lynched, though. Keep insisting on lynching 'khaan :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
I'll even help you and do the same : lynch 'khaan ! He's scum!
Out of respect for our friends of the English mafia, we will not kill you, Don Grizzly :bow: The peasants of Inishmore with their torches and pitchforks may do that, but your life won't be ended by a fine, Irish bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
I have no qualms in eliminating Khaan. He may have a neutral role or be a Godfather. We still don't know the name of the English Godfather, because it's not in the play.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
I believe however, the neutral role is more likely. Seireikhaan can defend himself, I wash my hands of his role, whatever it may be. He is lurking and not contributing. However, I also see that these two, boudica and Sasaki, are clearly working together, and they both clearly want Khaan dead. Town wants to survive, it gets rid of those two. Since boudica is not Oswald, even though she likely wrote the kill.
To be fair, Sasaki may have written it. He's been intentionally making spelling mistakes ever since this game started, and acting like he needs a new keyboard lately. I don't buy it... ACTING.
I want to hear the defense from both boudica and Sasaki before I vote for them. One of them has gotta go... and since boudica isn't oswald... guess who I think she is.
Oh come on now, Don LittleGrizzly, like me, you know pretty damn well that Godfathers don't survive night attacks. That was just me spouting nonsense. I do admire your effort at getting a powerful pro-town role lynched, though. Keep insisting on lynching 'khaan :2thumbsup:
I'll even help you and do the same : lynch 'khaan ! He's scum!
This is why i try to ignore mafia... you get me guessing and second guessing myself... wait you agree to the 'khaan lynch.. he must be innocent... hang on is he trying to use reverse physcology on me.... 'khaan must be guilty... wait is this reverse reverse phscology... at this point i get dizzy and need to lie down...
Out of respect for our friends of the English mafia, we will not kill you, Don Grizzly
Wow, the IRA and English are friends... its sweet really for bitter enemies who kill each other...
I appreciate that the English mafia will not kill me, would the irish mafia also like to promise not to kill me ?
Face it Andres your lies are obvious... the mafia will kill the opposition godfather if they find him... which is why we will see 'khaan killed tonight if he is the godfather... im sure the mafia will be rattled by his survival...
Edit: Piza what you think of my idea of leaving him alive so the mafia must waste a kill on him tonight, surely if he is a godfather they will want to eliminate him... so why waste our lynch ? make the mafia kill him!
and his actions haven't been like a godfather... i certainly wouldn't lurk my way through the game so obviously...
and what about his one line votes on sasaki without reasoning ? maybe he had a reason ?
In response to Askthepizzaguy - yes, all the statements you have made are reasonable arguments as to why I might be mafia. If you read through them and assume for a second that I am innocent then - surprise surprise - the answers I have given when questioned also make sense. You may indeed feel that because I have stated I am letting myself down with my performance this game, I am doing it as a duplicitous tactic, but the truth of the matter is that - up til Psychomafia ended - I really haven't been paying enough attention.
I do need to read back, because I can't decide who is lying out of LG and Sasaki and I don't want to make the wrong decision. As far as I am concerned - until 'Khaan posts something with regard to his being revealed in the write-up - the vote for him is perfectly reasonable - it is the first piece of evidence I can respond to since I have begun to pay proper attention.
You notice that just after I voted him, I pegged him as a neutral role. A neutral role - not a pro-town role - and any neutral role who can slap a mafia down in a pub and get away with it can only spell danger to town.
All your 'evidence' is still an eloquent display of gut instinct on your part - not fact.
1. My arguments are reasonable that you could be mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
2. You are acting like you're not paying attention.
3. If you're not paying attention, don't be so quick to jump on Seireikhaan. You obviously think you know what you're doing... something that someone who is "lost" would never think.
4. You know he's a neutral role because you probably know who the other roles are. :mellow:
5. What was the basis of your first vote on me? Oh yeah. Gut instinct.
Why did you show up right after the murders? Why did you drop your case on Sasaki?
My "evidence" is your own words, verbatim. My comments are not the evidence. Your words are.
OK...I am sure people have a ton of thoughts...but I will post mine..
English Godfather:Sasaki or ATPG...one is a grunt:smoking:
ATPG would vote Sasaki in a instant, if he felt manipulated in any way....but he has not....not even as a pressure vote....:inquisitive: and Sasaki has been looking for easy lynches since round one...:whip:
I don't buy why Reenk was killed to be a framing of ATPG.....so far, the killing has been made to leave many lynch targets, like LG and I don't think ATPG thought Khaan was the Irish Godfather (big mistake)
I think Andres is trying to frame LG....he was probably one of the Irish Mafia but wants to finish the townies first...:juggle2:(hard to say at this point...not much is known on who was which faction....:shrug:)
Irish Godfather: Khaan because he resisted a kill.....but didn't kill the attacker, like with Andres failed killing of ATPG(likely, but not sure). Only Godfathers can resist kill attempts....only 8 roles...and the two supposedly "Pro-town" ones are dead....I think Andres is just trying to get a townie lynched...:whip:
One thing I know for sure is Sasaki has played town since the start....let me put out some quotes to prove he was manipulating town....:smash:
Yet, when it came time to lynch me.....:whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Post179#
Then Sasaki "Convinced him" I was a good choice with this...Quote:
Originally Posted by ATPG Post1128#
but then why ignore the fact that ATPG just used that Occam's razor to try and keep me alive???:no: it makes no sense.....unless ATPG and Sasaki wanting to lynch me or FH...but got both:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Post1129#
I accused Sasaki of being Oswald, and boudica of being his Godfather partner. I would obviously be more interested in boudica, because Boudica CANNOT be Oswald due to the investigation.Quote:
ATPG would vote Sasaki in a instant, if he felt manipulated in any way....but he has not....not even as a pressure vote.... and Sasaki has been looking for easy lynches since round one...
You can lynch me at any time. But you should have done that a LONG time ago. Now it's time to give me one moment to state my case against boudica, and please pay attention to why I am not going after Sasaki yet.
Boudica needs to be properly questioned. If she satisfies my suspicions, Sasaki is next.
By the way, thanks for the compliment. If I'm a Godfather, as LittleGrizzly said, I have not big brass balls, but balls made of diamonds. I appreciate the compliment but it's entirely untrue. You kick me in the balls, they will shatter.
I reversed my vote. You killed YOURSELF. I even prodded Diana to check the thread. Didn't tell her how to vote, just to check the thread. Your suicidal behavior convinced us both. You're the one who pulled the trigger, not I.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
1.Oswald killed Andres....even though he tried to kill him.:smash: (Meaning, the English Godfather has been doing the kills:yes:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
2.You will never pin Sasaki.....and for all your "talk" about him manipulating you....your not eager to see him lynched....:inquisitive:
I note with pleasure that you do no longer consider both godfathers, LittleGrizzly and 'khaan, as suspects.
Indeed, dear townies, it is time to lynch those men who have led you into the wrong direction during the entire game, Sasaki, boudica and Askthepizzaguy. This charade has been going on for long enough now. How about you put those three in a tie and get rid of them now!
You have been worthy adversaries and deserve our respect :bow:
:laugh4: I hate to say it....but I agree with Andres on this one...:laugh4::laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Please go ahead and properly question me. If you want proper answers then you'll probably have to wait until I can make some informed responses and that means doing some serious catching up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Given that I am innocent of your accusations, (well - I know I am) my first research will involve trying to find out why you think I am guilty - first by looking at your posts with the point of view of you being town and secondly by looking at your posts with the notion that you are not.
As far as your balls are concerned, a bluff is a bluff is a bluff and - in poker at least - often only the big bluffs work.
Ah, Oswald is a Godfather. Who would have thought...Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
And sir, you are wrong in your assertion as if I tried to kill one of the esteemed inhabitants of this lovely village. My hands are clean in this game. There's not a drip of blood on them.
I am insulted :snobby:
Nonono, Mister White_Eyes:D, you haven't been paying attention to the most sound and solid case ever made against the honorable Sasaki by the grand inquisitor Pizzaguy, namely:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_Eyes:D
Sasaki is guilty because...
HE MADE SPELLING MISTAKES AND NEEDS A NEW KEYBOARD !!!
Lynch him!
@White_Eyes
Right before the lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Right after time expired.
I was nowhere to be found, and NO ONE could have predicted your actions. No one could fathom your actions. I do not have the power to see into the future and know that you'd kill two townies by yourself as a townie.
@Boudica:
You've been bluffing with the best of them this game. "Go ahead and lynch me" next post "Please don't lynch me" later "Can I commit suicide?" I'm such a bad townie for not paying attention, etc, etc.
:laugh2:
Doesn't take any research at all to know why I'd accuse you. You've been accusing yourself.
How could I predict our host would use the forbidden rule in most Mafia games...."It's a tie....everyone dies:evil:MHAHAHAHA":shrug:
Edit:that's close to allowing Sceenshots....:brood:
I can't believe you guys are not lynching Sasaki. With the amount of spelling mistakes he made and his old, rotten, with bacteria infested keyboard.
Townie, mafia or neutral, he should get lynched because of that. This goes beyond this one game. Before you know it, you catch up a disease because of his keyboard or you starts makeing silli speling mistaekes.
:no:
THAT one I don't blame you for. Not one bit. In the future, lesson learned... don't cap yourself in a double lynch situation. Town will thank you for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
@Boudica:
Your performance this game is, in my opinion, indefensible. You did everything you could to avoid suspicion, and now it has backfired.
I will just nag hosts to NEVER use it in the future.....it only makes the game faster...and gives one side a unfair advantage over another...:brood:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Why boudica??? I see nothing solid.....it feels like a Reenk case all over again...:juggle2:
Edit:but then again your no match for Sasaki....speaking of which.....when Khaan tried to vote Sasaki all those times....you didn't follow....:inquisitive: more proof you guys are working together....:yes:
If you need to seriously catch up, then why, oh why, do you seem to know the correct path forward so well?Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
I cannot wait to hear this! :mellow:Quote:
Given that I am innocent of your accusations, (well - I know I am) my first research will involve trying to find out why you think I am guilty - first by looking at your posts with the point of view of you being town and secondly by looking at your posts with the notion that you are not.
You are not as innocent as you've been acting. You know all about big bluffs. If you were mafia, given how often you've been mafia, and how people have been suspecting you lately, you'd have to bluff pretty big to survive.Quote:
As far as your balls are concerned, a bluff is a bluff is a bluff and - in poker at least - often only the big bluffs work.
@White_Eyes.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Sasaki laid out his case....in such a way I would really read it.....but your case on boudica seems a little weak.....:inquisitive: I get the impression she is a townie who is confused, sort of like I was in "Chicago Soiree":shrug:
Not proof. Evidence. Circumstantial evidence, which is not conclusive at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I welcome your questions. But you have arrived at a conclusion without looking at all the possibilities. For one moment, set aside your conclusion and think; is there another one? Consider all possibilities objectively. I would not mind Sasaki dead one bit, but I am holding off on my vote because I accused boudica, and want to hear from Seireikhaan. I won't bend to your pressure to vote for Sasaki because I think he's a henchman.
And if town thinks he's a Godfather, they can lynch him all they please, with my blessing and vote, too.
Vote: LittleGrizzly
Sorry Grizz, guilty by association. I believe Andres's assertions that you're the English Godfather is meant to throw us off track. I'll bet you anything that you're the Irish Godfather. Why else did pevergreen, who has gotten agitated about people breaking the "dead rules" previously in the game, leave that "incriminating PM" in?
Because it's a fake. Andres is trying to psych us all out.
Precisely. And look how you've reacted. Why on earth did you even read his posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Remember the Prometheus game. Andres is pulling a ME. Ignore him.
I explicitly asked our esteemed host if it was ok to quote pm's in the thread after dead:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Evidence:
Anyway, good sir, you, as an upstanding citizen of Inishmore are doing the RIGHT THING. Lynch the English scumbag that is LittleGrizzly. This has taken long enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
And lynch Sasaki! We cannot allow old and dirty keyboards and silly spelling mistakes! Think about the children!
I think not. Besides, boudica appears to be nothing more than a "next in line" lynch.
I checked, you weren't in that game. I messed with the town after I was dead. Got Chaotix to basically get himself lynched, and YLC nearly did the same thing after listening to me. Everything a dead mafioso says is WIFOM.... it's not always what you think it is. Sure, Andres is saying Grizz is guilty so that you assume he's using reverse psychology. But he also assumes you're smart enough to assume that, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I realize my saying this will not even make you budge. So I will use reverse psychology to "make you keep your vote on him."
LittleGrizzly is guilty... lynch him.
Why would an innocent townie feel the need to use reverse psychology?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
:inquisitive:
To make a joke, and to undo the terrible wrong you inflicted on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Why would a mafioso be "trying to help the town?"
I don't want to help the town, but town and I have one goal in common: to get rid of the English mafia. Their Godfather is with a very high probability LittleGrizzly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy