Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

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Originally Posted by pzelda

tbh, right now I feel like a got myself in the middle of a warp. I have thoughts on everyone, but my reads are full of associations and maybes, which shouldn't be there. I dislike working with associations so much before mafia flips. And even after that, they might be misleading.
So, honest individual takes:

Visor - I think I might return to my original read. Visor's tryharding this game and I don't think it's a good look.
Montmorency - I dislike most of his posts and the total judgement. It makes it harder to read him tonally, but the content overall was out of touch. I think that even today, while his posts had good parts, it was too judgemental for someone, who occasionally visits the thread.
Cuthillius - kinda there, but difficult to grasp
Rask - I liked that he started solving today and I mindmelded with some of his takes. I can't quite get over Amy's posts, tho.
GeneralHankerchief - Good solving and building of town, his votes and cases are making me paranoid about him.
Hally - town
Arapocalypse - town
Esooa - I still think Esooa should be town, but her readlist yesterday wasn't the best and she definitely started posting less after the solving started. I need to check her posts for progressions.
Dolby - I suspect him. I said enough about that.
Manasi - used Hello in her opening. So, she probably is a lock town.
ColonelLubriderm - town
dyachei - probably thrown under wheels by other wolves if wolf. I'm still not 100% sure, because there are 2 or 3 takes from Dya I like.
Maple - read Dya's take. It's good. Has mafioso potential.
Ephemeral - blending, but I got a feeling that he's doing things under hood. The results will significantly swing my read.

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Have I played with you before?

manti i have extra mascarpone and i saw the posts that you and cuth were making about it

what do i do with it

do i make a chocolate cake

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Originally Posted by Manasi

manti i have extra mascarpone and i saw the posts that you and cuth were making about it

what do i do with it

do i make a chocolate cake

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You could use it as a filling, yeah. Whip it up or make it into a cream. Can prob find some good recipes on google

My town core is Zelda, Ara, and Colonel i think

going to choose to sponge this for today, though ara is the only one of the three that i particularly think is villagery

i think bop feels solidly between ranges with some nice posts, and i havent thought much about the zelda slot; sunbae was calling it extremely likely v so ill just say Fair Enough

moved hally gh up, moved zelda down

cool

going to wait on the amy slot resolving before thinking about visor; theyre unlikely to be aligned on a skim

pzelda is Capage tbh

i haven't read many of his posts but i liked the one you quoted for reasons

tl;dr on ara? have seen a bunch of her posts but only started to use my brain now

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Originally Posted by Manasi

pzelda is Capage tbh

i haven't read many of his posts but i liked the one you quoted for reasons

tl;dr on ara? have seen a bunch of her posts but only started to use my brain now

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on one hand, sunbae was extremely confident that ara!v; the slot flipped vt and didn't like soft pr or anything, so obv just a strong player kill with >rand reads so thats a point in favour

bottom half of reads werent really much worth defending, so again >rand reads

so if that's Good Enough for you, then cool;

else, idk ara seemed ~fine; d1 they did the soft Manti defense that they do, and i think thats mildly >rand v from them. their posts arent tonally bad from what i can tell, but id have to iso their slot to really have a good idea of wahts up

capage noted, will reread that iso at some point unless i get bored

my gut feeling "this is capage" makes sense to me

i like monty's eod for pretty dumb reasons

rest of the iso is pretty whatever

@Esooa can you talk me throught your d1 thoughts on dya?

I think Cuth is not villagery

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how do i remove

why do multiquotes suck

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the search feature appears to be broken

cool

i keep getting "leaving current page" warning whenever i press post

this is so stupid

Fuck this I'm out

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Originally Posted by Maple

You could use it as a filling, yeah. Whip it up or make it into a cream. Can prob find some good recipes on google

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1 mascarpone, 1 milk based cream (fluid one), some vanilla, some sugar; whipped. Best Chantilly cream you can come up with. Put it in any cake, roll cake, with fruits, inside coffee, or just eat as it is.

Official Tally as of #1458

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

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Originally Posted by Maple

were these caps deliberate?

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i thought that was esooa posting and claiming my push on her was on lhf, which it apparently was manasi

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Originally Posted by Maple

My town core is Zelda, Ara, and Colonel i think

going to choose to sponge this for today, though ara is the only one of the three that i particularly think is villagery

i think bop feels solidly between ranges with some nice posts, and i havent thought much about the zelda slot; sunbae was calling it extremely likely v so ill just say Fair Enough

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Don't like your pzelda's read. not villagery but villa core; sheeping dead! (I think it's best to sheep SR of dead than villa reads)

exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf

fill in the blank

i kinda vibe with manasi’s posts on a tonal level though i realize that’s a pretty low bar to clear

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I meant Rask and dya. Then Visor ain't such a hotshot! Obviously a lot of contingency here.

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i really hate this post

vote: monty

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Originally Posted by Maple

I think Cuth is not villagery

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hype.

I slanked hard this evening finally so I will ISO him in the train tmr morning finally, in about 6 hours from now. If you can tell us about this meanwhile, it would be great

@Visor sup, do you have a monty read? i don’t think you answered earlier

i don’t think cuth is villagery either ftr. he’s kinda just there

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Originally Posted by Hally

exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf

fill in the blank

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How has your read on GH evolved recently? (did u find something good in his recent posts or do u like MOnty more for scum)

i’m worried the gh/dya/visor/(rask) group are all villas and the wolves are just letting them turn on each other while they sit there doing nothing

if i entertain that world, monty feels like a wolf who’s kind of watching the world burn and roasting smores on the flames. just kinda the vibe i get from his posts today

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Originally Posted by Hally

i’m worried the gh/dya/visor/(rask) group are all villas and the wolves are just letting them turn on each other while they sit there doing nothing

if i entertain that world, monty feels like a wolf who’s kind of watching the world burn and roasting smores on the flames. just kinda the vibe i get from his posts today

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what are your thoughts on manti?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

How has your read on GH evolved recently? (did u find something good in his recent posts or do u like MOnty more for scum)

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i dunno, my read on gh is kinda inextricably linked to my read on dya at this point. and i’m doubting whether dya is a wolf after their posts today, which in turn is making me doubt whether gh is a wolf. if they’re w/v i don’t think w!gh passes up the chance to push v!dya over D1 because lunching a strong villager like dya before they can get into the game and post themselves clear would be pretty huge for the wolves so i don’t really see gh taking the line he did with dya D1 if he’s a wolf and dya is a villager. he would just lunch dya imo

on the other hand, if dya is a wolf i find it hard to believe gh isn’t also a wolf, but i want to at least explore the possibility they’re v/v and i’ve been wrong on them

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Originally Posted by dyachei

what are your thoughts on manti?

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he’s poe for me but i dunno beyond that. i don’t really know how to read him

i will say i’m slightly weirded out that manti is like... doing things. i think he typically doesn’t give much of a shit as a villager so maybe i should be concerned that he’s at least putting on a front of trying to solve and caring. but i don’t really know where this game lands on that spectrum for him. it doesn’t seem like he cares ~that~ much, just maybe more than usual

meh i dunno, it’s manti. he’s like a rorschach test lol

i’m probably just gonna sheep eph’s read on manti :shrug:

cuth is a wolf because if he was a villager one of us would v read him by now. gottem

i cri

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i cri

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cuth where’s your head at

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Originally Posted by dyachei

@Esooa

can you explain why you asked me multiple times about getting into the game? what did you hope your questioning would do?

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I think asking people for their perspective/approach to the game is useful and it was yours was particularly of interest because your not being able to get into the game easily could be because of being a wolf

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Originally Posted by Hally

cuth where’s your head at

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turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk

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i’m not really following the last paragraph

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Originally Posted by dyachei

like I'm damned if i do damned if I don't

with esooa it was a hard ping for me.

I like that they kind of bounce around d1 with their reads. I don't think they're w/w with dolby based on how she talks about him but I find her push on visor for being "weird" weird. like you wanna talk about random reasons to read someone - it was based on post length

so i'm still leaning wolf there but not as hard as i was this morning

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it was something I noticed, pointed out, then moved past. Nothing like your relation to me lol

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk

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I'm gonna be real with you dude this reads like mom's spaghetti

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Originally Posted by Maple

I'm gonna be real with you dude this reads like mom's spaghetti

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he’s nervous but on the surface he looks calm and ready

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

Hally, where are we at if dya v?

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not directed to me but I think it'd be good to take a look at rask, Eph for a potential deep wolf, and Manti cause I've just not liked him much.

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Originally Posted by Esooa

not directed to me but I think it'd be good to take a look at rask, Eph for a potential deep wolf, and Manti cause I've just not liked him much.

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well rask is a dead man walking so we don’t have to worry about him at least

i think coming into today being like "haha dya/gh is obviously a wolf here" (with exceptions, but for the most part this applies to most people in this game

is >rand v

but the people who sort of sponged that assumption and were like "well we should probably resolve there but who knows"/trying to focus on building a world with them as wolves without actually reading them as that strong of wolves prior

are >rand w

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Originally Posted by dyachei

I think gh's tone is way different. He's dropped the formalities he uses when he's a wolf and his tone has been way more casual

I think a wolf wouldn't have bothered trying to save me yesterday

so why would gh try to save me as a wolf?

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save you to be mislynched later. Why wouldn't they?

eph is one of my stronger villa reads fwiw

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i think coming into today being like "haha dya/gh is obviously a wolf here" (with exceptions, but for the most part this applies to most people in this game

is >rand v

but the people who sort of sponged that assumption and were like "well we should probably resolve there but who knows"/trying to focus on building a world with them as wolves without actually reading them as that strong of wolves prior

are >rand w

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can you sort the game into each group so i can see what you’re talking about?

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Originally Posted by Esooa

save you to be mislynched later. Why wouldn't they?

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the obvious reason would be that dya can post themselves clear easily if they’re villaging and w!gh wouldn’t want them to have the chance

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

This is honestly :daisy:ing exasperating.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Vote: Cuthalion

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this feels really towny to me. I don't remember who mentioned this but they said something like "when GH was a wolf he spent a lot of time talking with me to argue me out of my read"

which I agree is generally GHs approach to wolf

and this is the exact opposite. It's not gonna do anything for Cuth and GH is just like, posting without care that it won't

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Originally Posted by Hally

i kinda vibe with manasi’s posts on a tonal level though i realize that’s a pretty low bar to clear

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im reading this post and all i'm seeing is lock clearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr baby

i really don’t see gh playing around dya the way he did if he’s a wolf and dya’s a villager. he’s not dumb. if w!gh sees he can lunch one of the best villagers itg D1 he’d be all over that

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Originally Posted by Manasi

im reading this post and all i'm seeing is lock clearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr baby

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

vote: Montmorency

exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today

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I hate comments like that but I think from what I've seen/heard he just normally makes weird posts

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Originally Posted by Hally

i really don’t see gh playing around dya the way he did if he’s a wolf and dya’s a villager. he’s not dumb. if w!gh sees he can lunch one of the best villagers itg D1 he’d be all over that

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do you like dya's reads or are we proceeding assuming theyre a woof

cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti

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Originally Posted by Manasi

do you like dya's reads or are we proceeding assuming theyre a woof

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i like their manti read but hated their esooa read. tbd which wins out

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Originally Posted by Manasi

cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti

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what’s your read on manti

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Originally Posted by Hally

can you sort the game into each group so i can see what you’re talking about?

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uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

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Originally Posted by Manasi

cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti

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he's been poking me with a pool noodle exactly like in the other game we just played where he was a wolf and i think his posts are very thin

but he's barely actually gotten engaged in the game

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

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I've actually perfectly followed this line of logic ever since Cuth introduced it and think it makes a good bit of sense.

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Originally Posted by Maple

@Esooa can you talk me throught your d1 thoughts on dya?

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Not much to say. I agreed that they felt like they didn't want to be here. I thought their read on me was bad and their focus on it was to avoid spew. I also thought Csargo had a few towny posts which I didn't see from Dya so I much preferred Dya at EoD. Today they're at least moving outside of just their read on me but their read on me has honestly just gotten worse and I'm not sure why town!dya wouldn't drop it by now. They didn't even respond iirc to me quoting myself from Ice cream team mafia where I forgot why I voted someone, after saying I didn't actually do that which ??? doesn't feel like fair reevaluation. I'm unsure rn about where I would go if not them today

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Originally Posted by Maple

I think Cuth is not villagery

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agree for the most part. Not wolfy but I've not really seen anything from him that makes me get a real feel either way

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Official Tally as of #1458

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

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would be nice to get votes down from the non-voters

is there maj?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

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alright, this makes sense. so you think monty falls into the group of the Not Villagery approach? anyone else?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

hype.

I slanked hard this evening finally so I will ISO him in the train tmr morning finally, in about 6 hours from now. If you can tell us about this meanwhile, it would be great

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this feels like a really towny post from Rask. I don't think he's been slanking at all and he's generally been getting town read, so for him to be thinking "I've slanked hard" and he needs to put more effort in seems like a genuine desire to solve

Kind of in a weird spot with what I want to do with my vote atm because I think there's a few places I could put it that would shake the game up (in a good way), but at the same time I'm not sure if the game even needs shaking up. We've got Rask's flip pending, and dya could even very well be a hit, and if we just go off the assumption there's one (or more) in that pair that means everything's hunky-dory and we can just keep on doing our thing.

So like, I kind of think we - both me individually and the town as a whole - are spinning our wheels for a while, and while it's kind of annoying I also think it's the smartest option at the moment?

This opinion is subject to change at a moment's notice.

i really like that take from cuth because I definitely felt that it was all basically pre-ordained when I got into the thread last night. I think wolves definitely just wanted to go along

Hey, sorry I haven't been around much today; didn't mean to pull back this much, oops!! I'll be around to hype within a few hours though!!!

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Originally Posted by Hally

i will say i’m slightly weirded out that manti is like... doing things. i think he typically doesn’t give much of a shit as a villager so maybe i should be concerned that he’s at least putting on a front of trying to solve and caring. but i don’t really know where this game lands on that spectrum for him. it doesn’t seem like he cares ~that~ much, just maybe more than usual

meh i dunno, it’s manti. he’s like a rorschach test lol

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manti/other can answer this too but do you know if manti prefers wolf/town?

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Originally Posted by Esooa

would be nice to get votes down from the non-voters

is there maj?

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nope

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk

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what posts from Dya were distinctly villagery?

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Originally Posted by Hally

the obvious reason would be that dya can post themselves clear easily if they’re villaging and w!gh wouldn’t want them to have the chance

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I've not played with them before so ig I kinda expected their day 1 to continue. That makes sense though

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Originally Posted by Esooa

manti/other can answer this too but do you know if manti prefers wolf/town?

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he’s known more for his wolf game but i have no idea which he enjoys more

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Official Tally as of #1458

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

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honestly I don't like the GH votes at all. I see what people mean that if Dya is a wolf GH is, but the association here is

town!dya=town!GH (he would lynch Dya day 1)
wolf!dya= town/wolf!GH (he could save her, he could just be wrong day 1)

so voting GH before Dya here is just bad, or am I missing something?

Regardless, I don't like the two competing wagons being stagnant and somehow only two votes

Vote:montmorency

fwiw at the time i just voted gh to have a cw to dya because i thought both were wolves but i agree it makes no sense to lunch gh before dya and we definitely aren’t doing that

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fwiw at the time i just voted gh to have a cw to dya because i thought both were wolves but i agree it makes no sense to lunch gh before dya and we definitely aren’t doing that

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what do you think of the way GH voted cuth