Palestinians in Gaza blaming ... Hamas?

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Looks like you're both right to an extent.

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EVFM:

Be careful sir, continued efforts to be reasonable such as the one displayed above might be cause for a warning.

~;)

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Once again you show how clueless you are , most of the survivors returned to their countries though a fairly large proportion ended up in america .
Perhaps your "research" is letting you down again , have you tried any of the places that study the shoah by any chance ?
Have you considered trying the Jewish documentation center for a start :dizzy2:

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whoooaaaaa.... i guess i just cant stand up to revisionist history, can i? :dizzy2:

dude, study the holocaust. the previous statement that you said proves that youve done no research of the aftermath. I learn my history from people like Dr. Lipstadt and such (just btw). of the people in israel in 1948, most were survivors.
btw most did not return to their homes in europe. most had no homes to go to. they were taken over by germans or poles.
more to come.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

I don't have any problem with us jews being hell bent on survival. I just have a problem if us jews decide that we need to kill 200 children as collective punishment for 10 Israelis dying.

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its not just 10 jews dieing. its many more. just from the start of the operation, 10 jews have died.
do you know that the people in sderot only have 10 seconds to get to shelter? do you know that life has stopped there? no buisness, very little goes on in the streets. people are terrified to go out. no one should live in terror, which they have for since the rockets first started falling.

btw, what do you mean by "us jews" when i said that i was referring to myself and other jews.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

I don't have any problem with us jews being hell bent on survival. I just have a problem if us jews decide that we need to kill 200 children as collective punishment for 10 Israelis dying.

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now now, you know that israel did not collectively punish palestinians by killing 200 gazan kiddies.

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

its not just 10 jews dieing. its many more. just from the start of the operation, 10 jews have died.
do you know that the people in sderot only have 10 seconds to get to shelter? do you know that life has stopped there? no buisness, very little goes on in the streets. people are terrified to go out. no one should live in terror, which they have for since the rockets first started falling.

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You won't find me justifying that. The rocket attacks need to stop. But killing hundreds of kids? Is that really contributing to the solution or merely adding to the injustice?

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btw, what do you mean by "us jews" when i said that i was referring to myself and other jews.

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Me too :yes:

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dude, study the holocaust. the previous statement that you said proves that youve done no research of the aftermath.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

Me too :yes:

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you are jewish?

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

you are jewish?

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No!!!!!!!!! He...... Can't...... be!!!

I mean, he's saying random killing isn't a good thing...

There must be some impure Gentile blood in there somewhere :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

No!!!!!!!!! He...... Can't...... be!!!

I mean, he's saying random killing isn't a good thing...

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im not saying that being jewish automatically makes you a supporter of israel. i was just surprised that he was. is being surprised a crime? :inquisitive:

i do not believe that the IDF randomly kills kids. the 200 + dead children is very tragic, but i do not believe that the IDF goes on missions with the aim of killing children. that is not what my friends who have served in Gaza and the IDF have said, and there isnt anything that you can say that will make me think otherwise, unless the IDF says "our purpose is to kill children," which they have never said.

ok tribes. here ya go- her words exactly as he sent them to me:

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From United States Holocaust Memorial Museum website

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With over 80,000 Jewish DPs in the United States, about 136,000 in Israel, and another 20,000 in other nations, including Canada and South Africa, the DP emigration crisis came to an end. Almost all of the DP camps were closed by 1952. The Jewish displaced persons began new lives in their new homelands around the world.

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There are other estimates but what is clear is that the biggest number went to Israel. It’s hard to know precisely how many stayed in Europe since many were behind the Iron Curtain and we could never get a clear count. The estimate is that 250,000 survived as Displaced Persons [DPs]. There were certainly survivors who never went to the DP camps, e.g. in Poland, USSR, etc.




Deborah E. Lipstadt, Ph.D.

Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies

Emory University

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those are her words and i swear by them.

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ok tribes. here ya go- her words exactly as he sent them to me:

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Is that like the professor who told you of the existance of a non-existant law ?

So from the Weisenthal center concerning holocaust survivors

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about three-quarters of them returned to their former homelands.

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Former homelands eh not Palestine

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Jews from western Europe (France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway), Hungary (the largest group), Rumania, and Czechoslovakia were eager to be repatriated so that they could look for their families, reclaim their possessions, and reestablish themselves.

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Yep not Palestine then .
But its OK I understand your confusion , what you and your profesor is doing is ignoring the actual survivors of the holocaust but then adding those who later fled from the communists to make up the numbers so they sound better .

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

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Is that like the professor who told you of the existance of a non-existant law ?

So from the Weisenthal center concerning holocaust survivors

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no, not the same professor who told me about the existent law.
btw, can you post a link to the weisental center saying that?

claiming that Professor Lipstadt is lying is pretty serious. do you even know who she is?

Hooah, Tribes:

Both of you go to time out for a minute. BOTH of you are citing reasonably credible sources that have different estimates of the disposition of Jewish displaced persons. Getting offended or mocking, in either direction, at this point is poor argument.

Either:

1. Come up with DIFFERENT sources to corroborate your assertions, or

2. Go back to the primary data sources and count the results yourself, or

3. Agree to disagree on this point and find some other issue upon which to lambast one another.

that is the second of Tribesmans debating techniques;

which is to immediately google a contrary source in search of a piece of 'dirt', which is then advertised across the forum with magnificent disdain in an attempt to whitewash the entire issue to the majority who have not heard of the source.

the first is to launch a barrage of laughing smileys to create the impression that whatever was said was so ridiculous that no one else need trouble themselves with looking at the facts themselves, for fear that they might reach a dissenting opinion.

and the third is to bring obtuse to an art form by arguing around every central theme with the aim of creating a cloud of negative conjecture that completely obscures the position that tribesman wishes to suppress, displayed this evening in fact.

quite why he goes to all the effort i shall probably never know.

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Come up with DIFFERENT sources to corroborate your assertions,

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Well I was going to go with the jewish virtual library , but they use Wiesenthal .:2thumbsup:
Then I considered getting a random list of survivors and seeing where they ended up ...blimey they get everywhere don't they:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Perhaps I could go with Ami Izeroff as his site is very balanced and one of the most comprehensive on the foundation and development of Israel .
UNRRA isn't a bad idea either ....
Or I could go with a proffesor who rants that carter didn't put the nazis in his book about problems in Israel .

Tribes likes to play it dirty and effective it is :yes:

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the first is to launch a barrage of laughing smileys to create the impression that whatever was said was so ridiculous that no one else need trouble themselves with looking at the facts themselves, for fear that they might reach a dissenting opinion.

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Actually it is the opposite , one reason why I rarely post links is so that people can look up the facts themselves .

I don't see what difference the holocaust makes to all this anyway, it was over 60 years ago, if anything holding on to such fear or paranoia would likely more destroy you or cause other bad things rather than help out...

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I don't see what difference the holocaust makes to all this anyway

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Because its the key card , just as the shout of "anti-semitism" goes up any time anything bad is said about Israel even if the people who are saying it are Jewish ,the holocaust works on the lines that anytime someone says Israel is doing nasty stuff the defense is "but look at the Nazis" .

Hamas wants to do the same as the nazi's did, they have to kill them wherever they find them, so that even the trees and stones they are hiding behind will cry out 'a jew!'. They are so blinded by hate and so paralyzed by their primitive bloodlust, that doesn't excuse them from firing rockets and missing or praying five times a day instead of growing crops.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Actually it is the opposite , one reason why I rarely post links is so that people can look up the facts themselves .

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But links ENCOURAGE others to look up facts for themselves. Dumping the entire magazine or article into a quote box here just encourages folks to skip the information, so I understand why you don't do that. Linkees are NOT evil.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Because its the key card , just as the shout of "anti-semitism" goes up any time anything bad is said about Israel even if the people who are saying it are Jewish ,the holocaust works on the lines that anytime someone says Israel is doing nasty stuff the defense is "but look at the Nazis" .

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Pardon me, but did you just answer a point directly without parsiflage? I believe you did. This also justified your line of argument. Kudos!

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Pardon me, but did you just answer a point directly without parsiflage?

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Bollox .

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But links ENCOURAGE others to look up facts for themselves.

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Do they ?
How frequently do topics have people ranting on about a linked article when they havn't even read the article in the link ?
Or in this case how can someone write ....those are her words and i swear by them. ..when they clearly havn't even looked at the words they are swearing by .
There are other estimates ...errrrr a definative answer then ?
what is clear ......It’s hard to know .....we could never get a clear count
seems like a lot of contradictions to swear by doesn't it .:yes:

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they have to kill them wherever they find them, so that even the trees and stones they are hiding behind will cry out 'a jew!'.

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Hamas wants to do the same as the nazi's did

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No Frag the Nazis wanted a thousand year reich run by what they deemed as superpeople , what you are quoting has been dealt with many many times before , its about the end of the world , so to quote one of the horsemen of the apocolypse .
Im a getting tired of this armageddon .

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They are so blinded by hate

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Says Mr. its the muslims muslims muslims:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Bollox .

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:laugh4: It's reassuring to note that there are SOME constants in this cherry blossom universe of ours. :laugh4::cheesy:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Says Mr. its the muslims muslims muslims:dizzy2:

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That is what you say I say, but you can't just decide I said something it doesn't work that way, I have to put it down first. It's your mind playing tricks on you Tribes.

an interesting article on what is proportionate force, and how that might apply to israel:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...603508,00.html

it isn't conclusive either way, but stands as a discussion point.

yo tribesman- you still havent provided that link. ive searched the weisenthal center, but find nothing yet. still looking. i suspect that you are only quoting half of what the center said.
btw here is what the Jewish Virtual Library says: survivors

gee- i guess this puts to shame your argument that most survivors went home:

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Originally Posted by Jewish Virtual Library

When people tried to return to their homes from camps or hiding places, they found that, in many cases, their homes had been looted or taken over by others.

Returning home was also dangerous. After the war, anti-Jewish riots broke out in several Polish cities. The largest anti-Jewish pogrom took place in July 1946 in Kielce, a city in southeastern Poland. When 150 Jews returned to the city, people living there feared that hundreds more would come back to reclaim their houses and belongings. Age-old antisemitic myths, such as Jews' ritual murders of Christians, arose once again. After a rumor spread that Jews had killed a Polish boy to use his blood in religious rituals, a mob attacked the group of survivors. The rioters killed 41 people and wounded 50 more. News of the Kielce pogrom spread rapidly, and Jews realized that there was no future for them in Poland.

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and when i said "i swear by them" i meant that i swear that she said that, which is rare because jews arent really supposed to swear unless they really mean it.

more to come.

More on the hero's of the socialist party.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1057874.html

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Originally Posted by Fragony

More on the hero's of the socialist party.

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Heroes to which socialist party? They're not all one big happy socialist party...despite some of the official platform planks that assert this.

Your link to Haaratz [sic?] is fine, but as a source it should be noted that it is not (nor does it claim to be) journalistically impartial.

Ours,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bM58hhFk8

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

1) so does israel- they actually have a lot of nukes.
2) have you heard of the Sampson Theory (if i have the name correct)? its the theory that if everyone attacked israel and israel was about to be destroyed, all the israeli nukes would be launched to pre-set coordinates around the globe, like teharan, damascus, cairo, and god knows what other cities. but its just a theory, so....
3) sarcasm is in green, remember?

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1) So?
2) All the better for the USA. That way all the Arab States would support a USA nuking attack. >_>
3) Eh? As I'm sure you've guessed it, my post is a joke. But it'd surely end the Arab-Israeli conflict. :P

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gee- i guess this puts to shame your argument that most survivors went home

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Errrrr....not in the slightest :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Look...in Kielce, a city in southeastern Poland. When 150 Jews returned to the city, people living there feared that hundreds more would come back to reclaim their houses and belongings.
And that somehow putsto shame ....Jews from western Europe (France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway), Hungary (the largest group), Rumania, and Czechoslovakia were eager to be repatriated so that they could look for their families, reclaim their possessions, and reestablish themselves.
Any mention of Poland there ?
Nope :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
So you provided an example of what happened to approx 150 people out of a couple of hundred thousand . ~:doh:
So since the Hungarian Jews were the biggest group of survivors could you tell me how big the group was of Polish Jews given that the Nazis really had it in for them as they were not only Jewish but Polish too ?
Also apart from the pre war actions in Germany , Austria and Czecoslovakia the Nazis were in Poland longer than anywhere else wern't they .

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Ours,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bM58hhFk8

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Errrr...you have me very very confused there Frag , if bommel condemns violence and Hamas then how are Hamas his heroes ?:dizzy2:
I am sure it must make sense somehow , perhaps people have to trip to that alternate reality you reside in so it makes perfect sense .:idea2:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Errrr...you have me very very confused there Frag , if bommel condemns violence and Hamas then how are Hamas his heroes ?:dizzy2:
I am sure it must make sense somehow , perhaps people have to trip to that alternate reality you reside in so it makes perfect sense .:idea2:

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He doesn't condemn violence, that's just what he said afterwards when his call for intifada got him in a little trouble. Nobody takes it serious, and the head of the party didn't condemn it, just said she would have done it otherwise. That is politics for 'I agree'. He always condemned all violence he cowardly claimed lol what a hypocrite, not a word when rockets fell on Israel. And let's not forget the simple fact that he is a member of the notoriously anti-Israeli socialist party, not very surprising that most neo-nazi's vote for the SP, also very close buddies of the international socialists, and you know who that are don't you.

tribes, you still havent provided a link.....
EDIT: found it.

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

you are jewish?

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Enough of one to qualify for Israeli citizenship.

I'm curious folks, and I'm taking an informal poll, tangentially related to the thread topic. We have a 'usual suspects' list of those who play apologist for the IDF versus those who play apologist for Hamas. While the degree of defense (and denial) varies among members on each side, at the end of the day, I believe the lines are pretty set.

Normally in politics, 1/3 argues with the other 1/3 for mindshare of the undecided 1/3 in the middle. On this particular issue, there is no middle, and it's rare, if not strictly hypothetical, for somebody's views to shift on this issue.

I know Idaho and Tribesman are always going to agree with the Palestinians. And I know CR & Hooahguy are going to come down on the side of the Israelis. There's never going to be any deviation from that predetermined result.

So, like Sisyphus with his rock, we roll this debate out about once a month. I'm as guilty as anyone. But I find myself asking, myself and all of you, why do we continue to debate this? Do any of us really honestly believe we're not in the Verdun of backroom conversations? Do any of you have any hope of climbing out of the trench and advancing, or of evolving your own line of thought, for that matter?

I'm serious about this... I'm really curious regardless of your stance, whether you have any marginal hope or belief that you might actually influence anyone's views on this issue, and if so, what supports you in that delusion?

Please respond to this post of Don's in the thread created for this discussion. Thanks. SF

No need, I'll start a new thread, with an actual poll.

let me be clear about something. i am both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian. i want a Palestinian country to live peacefully side-by-side with Israel. i do not want the destruction of the Palestinian people. i want them to live and prosper, but live peacefully.

I think pretty much everyone who debates the issue wants all you said for both people... unless we have anyone here who literally does hate jews or muslims (which i don't think we do...) ... with the only slight variation being some people prefer the idea of 1 state instead of the 2 state solution...

The pro palestinian and pro israeli labels are simply convenient ways of identifying the different sides, i describe myself as pro-palestinian just because of where i usually end up in the agument but i am by no means a fan of hamas in any way... and being 'pro-palestinian' doesn't make me anti-israeli, i have never met an israeli but i would have no problems with him/her if i did...

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not very surprising that most neo-nazi's vote for the SP

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Fragony you really are out of the loop since your old "lets beat up immigrants" days , why not visit some of those nice dutch neo-nazi websites and see how happy the scum there are that the Israelis are confronting the muslim menace .
You will see Frag that they have the same "muslims gonna getya" line of errrrrrr......"thought" that you exhibit .

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I know Idaho and Tribesman are always going to agree with the Palestinians.

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Its not that I agree with the Palestinians Don , its just that those who are most vocal in support of Israel are usually the ones with gaping great holes in their arguements which are easier to rip apart .

And let's not forget the simple fact that he is a member of the notoriously anti-Israeli socialist party, not very surprising that most neo-nazi's vote for the SP, also very close buddies of the international socialists, and you know who that are don't you.

I don't now what your nazis are like over there but ours (the BNP) absolutely hates muslims (no mention of jews) they even have the famous undercover bbc video where one of the head members says 'all i want to do is kill pakistani's' (though he uses the rude name) Infact the majority of racists in the UK tend to choose muslims as thier target group of choice, i can't tell you how many times in real life i have heard the sentence 'im not racist but i don't like pakistani's'

just incase your wondering pakistani (or the shortened version) is the name muslims usually get grouped under... something like calling all asian people chinese...

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

I don't now what your nazis are like over there but ours (the BNP) absolutely hates muslims (no mention of jews) they even have the famous undercover bbc video where one of the head members says 'all i want to do is kill pakistani's' (though he uses the rude name) Infact the majority of racists in the UK tend to choose muslims as thier target group of choice, i can't tell you how many times in real life i have heard the sentence 'im not racist but i don't like pakistani's'

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I'm not sure if ours know what they want, but they're certainly very anti-Israel.

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I'm not sure if ours know what they want, but they're certainly very anti-Israel.

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Damn and there was me thinking that the German neo-nazis really rant about the Turks on their websites :idea2:
Thats the main thing you notice with all the different neo-nazi forums , each one has their local little hate targets for the local little dickheads .
By the way Mars , don't you notice that they are very anti-Israel and very anti palestine .:yes:

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He doesn't condemn violence, that's just what he said afterwards when his call for intifada got him in a little trouble.

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Fragony , this alternate reality you inhabit does seem to contain a strange time warp .
Or is it that you count 1,3,2,4 instead of 1,2,3,4 like ordinary people
he went to a rally , he shouted the slogans with the crowd and made a speech , then afterwards when people started ranting about the slogans he referred to the speech he made where he condemned the violence on both sides .

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Damn and there was me thinking that the German neo-nazis really rant about the Turks on their websites :idea2:
Thats the main thing you notice with all the different neo-nazi forums , each one has their local little hate targets for the local little dickheads .
By the way Mars , don't you notice that they are very anti-Israel and very anti palestine .:yes:

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They are anti-Palestine, but I'd say more so with the anti-Israel. When push comes to shove between the two, most tend to take the Palestinian side. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Damn and there was me thinking that the German neo-nazis really rant about the Turks on their websites :idea2:
Thats the main thing you notice with all the different neo-nazi forums , each one has their local little hate targets for the local little dickheads .
By the way Mars , don't you notice that they are very anti-Israel and very anti palestine .:yes:


Fragony , this alternate reality you inhabit does seem to contain a strange time warp .
Or is it that you count 1,3,2,4 instead of 1,2,3,4 like ordinary people
he went to a rally , he shouted the slogans with the crowd and made a speech , then afterwards when people started ranting about the slogans he referred to the speech he made where he condemned the violence on both sides .

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do you spend a lot of time on nazi forums, as part of your troll-for-freedom crusade of course? :clown:

I do wonder how tribesman nows such a wide variety of things.... I feel like i could spend a lifetime learning about this stuff and still never catch up...

I generally assumed our racists/nazis were pretty much copied all over europe, due to recent events combined with an aggressive media i assumed muslims were the hate targets for all european nazis... apparently european nazis are living in the past...

The BNP's actual position on the conflict is actually nuetrual, they have an isolationist policy so they don't care who does what to each other aslong as it doesn't involve muslims coming to britian...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/990228.html

did a little search on google and this came up.... its funny and strange at the same time.... they kind of half justify the holocaust but call it a bad idea...

from the article...
One of the stickers features a picture of Reinhard Heydrich, the senior Nazi official who chaired the Wansee Conference where the Final Solution was hatched. Underneath the photo reads: "As a Nazi, I'm a Zionist."

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I do wonder how tribesman nows such a wide variety of things.... I feel like i could spend a lifetime learning about this stuff and still never catch up...

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It's known as Google and Wikipedia, you can do it too if you have a massive inclination to prove others wrong.

It's known as Google and Wikipedia, you can do it too if you have a massive inclination to prove others wrong.

Not quite, i can't just simply type in israel and be presented with all the information i need, with some things you need to now about them before you can research them, and even if you have some rudimentary knowledge on the subject that sometimes can't be enough to get you the whole story. Even with the best google fu in the world and limitless time you still need knowledge in the area to direct your searches and filter through the crap...

To give an example if i had never heard of the incident where the israeli olympic team was targetted and the israeli reaction how in the hell would i ever get around to that information with just wiki and google... with all the other crap i would have to get through i would never get around to it... its not just tribesman but in almost any topic we discuss someone will come along with some little known fact that i couldn't have simply searched out because i never knew it exsisted.... ok im rambling now.... im going to shut up...

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They are anti-Palestine, but I'd say more so with the anti-Israel. When push comes to shove between the two, most tend to take the Palestinian side.

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Is that an uneducated guess ?:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

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I generally assumed our racists/nazis were pretty much copied all over europe

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not really , when I was living in your country the the little nazis really hated the Irish , when I was living in Germany the nazis didn't hate the Irish quite so much but really really hated the Brits .
I suppose in truth though wherever you encounter these idiots is that they hate anyone who isn't a little nazi too .

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It's known as Google

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How many times have I said that google is a crap way to explore a subject ?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that an uneducated guess ?:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

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They are the lot that supports the Iranian regime. Anti-Israeli sentiment here is prevalent among the extreme-right.

EDIT: For example...

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

he referred to the speech he made where he condemned the violence on both sides .

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No Tribes, sorry. Can't just decide he made such a speech it doesn't work like that, speech has to be made first and only then does it exists, 1,2,3,4 - 4,3,2,1 thingie.

why not visit some of those nice dutch neo-nazi websites and see how happy the scum there are that the Israelis are confronting the muslim menace .
You will see Frag that they have the same "muslims gonna getya" line of errrrrrr......"thought" that you exhibit .

Why don't you take a look yourself.

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

I do wonder how tribesman nows such a wide variety of things.... I feel like i could spend a lifetime learning about this stuff and still never catch up...

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refer to the second rule of Tribesman debating.

A swift google to find a linkable dissenting fact can do wonders to build up an image of fathomless depth of knowledge, regardless of whether the crucial new 'evidence' actually changes the overall picture. After all, exhaustive research is never what internet debate is about, rather it is witty retorts and stinging barbs.

If you are reffering to you accusing the BBC of bias because it said killed, then tribesman showing it did the same for the july 7th bombings, he actually had a very good point... either the BBC is biased against israel and britian or its typical langauge they use.... it may have been witty or stinging at the same time but it was very relevant to the discussion.. and the rest i answered to EMFM...

not when it is discussing the difference between how the beeb reports israeli and palestinian deaths.

i make a specific point about beeb bias, as i perceive it, in how they report on the israeli/palestinian conflict, in a discussion about the conflict in israel/palestine. talking about the 7/7 bombings brings nothing of worth to the debate.

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

It's known as Google and Wikipedia, you can do it too if you have a massive inclination to prove others wrong.

Not quite, i can't just simply type in israel and be presented with all the information i need, with some things you need to now about them before you can research them, and even if you have some rudimentary knowledge on the subject that sometimes can't be enough to get you the whole story. Even with the best google fu in the world and limitless time you still need knowledge in the area to direct your searches and filter through the crap...

To give an example if i had never heard of the incident where the israeli olympic team was targetted and the israeli reaction how in the hell would i ever get around to that information with just wiki and google... with all the other crap i would have to get through i would never get around to it... its not just tribesman but in almost any topic we discuss someone will come along with some little known fact that i couldn't have simply searched out because i never knew it exsisted.... ok im rambling now.... im going to shut up...

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I'm not saying Tribesman has no knowledge. I'm saying that he gets help. From the Internet. Like the rest of us. But I digress, and I will leave this to Furunculus.

Et voila, another rocket. Encore, round two.

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Et voila, another rocket. Encore, round two.

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Thats the problem with two unilateral declarations instead of an agreement between the two .
Hamas says the ceasefire is only valid if Israel stops operations and opens the border crossings, Israel says it won't stop operations and won't open the crossings until it gets the prisoner exchange , Hamas says no exchange until the crossings are open .

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Thats the problem with two unilateral declarations instead of an agreement between the two .
Hamas says the ceasefire is only valid if Israel stops operations and opens the border crossings, Israel says it won't stop operations and won't open the crossings until it gets the prisoner exchange , Hamas says no exchange until the crossings are open .

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And then, they fired a rocket. Why not throw a shoe.

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And then, they fired a rocket.

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No Frag first they set off a bomb against a patrol , then they had a little shoot out , then Israel launched some air strikes ,then Hamas launched a rocket .
remember 1234:yes:
One interesting thing , why are the IDF saying that the patrol that was bombed was not authorised ?

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Why not throw a shoe.

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Errrrrrr...because they are angry terrorists not an angry journalist:idea2:

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Errrrrrr...because they are angry terrorists not an angry journalist:idea2:

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They are pretty damn stupid terrorists, they could have made a gesture by releasing whatshisnose, but no-do. Once again they crawl out from under the hospitals schools and mosks half a second before it's really safe, and once again the rockets start flying. And when Israel finally responds they will once again be doing boohoohoo and so will you.

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They are pretty damn stupid terrorists, they could have made a gesture by releasing whatshisnose, but no-do.

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Why ? Don't you know that an Isreali is worth several hundred arabs , Isreael is only offering 220 at the moment they have to up the bid :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

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And when Israel finally responds they will once again be doing boohoohoo and so will you.

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No Fragony , I will not be doing boohoohoo , I will be saying bloody idiots how many times are they going to try the same crap when they already know it isn't going to work .
Hamas thrives on that sort of Israeli reaction , just like hezballah does .

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No Fragony , I will not be doing boohoohoo , I will be saying bloody idiots how many times are they going to try the same crap when they already know it isn't going to work .
Hamas thrives on that sort of Israeli reaction , just like hezballah does .

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Ok you wouldn't. But many once again will.