Conseil du Royaume

Hugues stands to speak, he bows to the King.

I did not mean to displease your Majesty by not running for the position of Seneschal. I just felt Duc Alain was the right man for the job. And I don't like paper cuts. It's good to see Duc Raymond throwing his hat in the ring as well.

My man Reeves has updated the list of legislation. I will also second Amendment 1.1. There seems to be a strange man following me speaking in tongues and making cryptic remarks concerning someone called Mithras. I'm sure a Priest could sort that out right quick.

I would also like to make it clear that I will be using the forces in Reims to lead an attack on Metz. Capture of the castle will bring much needed funds into the Kingdom. It will take me two seasons to get there and start the siege, a bit slower than some of the other plans proposed here. However, the money saved by not hiring mercenaries can be used in other places, particularly if we plan to purchase Angers, which I support.

Also, getting an alliance with the Scots is important. They may dress funny, but they'll serve as a counterweight to the English.

Thierry bursts out in laughter as he hears Hermant Mauvoisin's words. Finally, he manages to take a deep breath and speaks, his voice barely under control:

A PROPERLY constituted crusade?

Thierry bursts out in laughter again, tears in his eyes. He slams his fists a few times on his table while laughing and finally seems to calm down.

Not a profiteering venture?

Thierry laughs again and almost falls of his chair. He reaches for his stomache.

"Woohooohooo, really now, really. This is too much."

Thierry almost suffocates when he laughs again. He slams his fist on the table in front of him again and again but can't seem to stop laughing. Finally, after several minutes passed, he gets control over himself again.

"You guys of the flowery Order should all exchange your armour for Jester uniforms and go out to entertain Kings and Emperors! This is just too much.

Thierry starts slamming his fist on the table again, tears in his eyes while he continues to laugh for what seems an eternity.

Hermant rises:

"I confess, Chevalier de Rochefort, that I would make a poor jester, lacking your rare wit. The art of repeating a man's words is too subtle form of humour for me to grasp. But doubtless everyone else is as amused by your comic rhetoric as you yourself are."

As soon as Hermant raises, Thierry bursts out in laughter again, hardly understanding what the man says. The scribe next to him starts to feel embarassed, but doesn't dare to say a word, knowing the rumours about the temper of Chevalier de Rochefort.

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

Again, I point to the timeline of the Crusade. We have plenty of time to endear ourselves to the Pope and get his approval before we set out. It's not as if we need to set out now.

Alain bows to Duc Raymond.

"My lord, it is good to have someone else challenge for the position. I wish you good luck."

Casting a disapproving glance at Rochefort, the young Duke pulls a handkerchief from his sleeve and places it on the bench before Thierry.

"Good god man, get a grip will you. Wipe away zose tears and try and maintain some composure."

Shaking his head he sits down, which puts him eye to eye with his poodle. Medoc looks at the duke then at Thierry and then back at the duke, the dog is clearly unimpressed.

"Do not look at me like zat!! You convinced me to take 'im in, you silly 'ound."

Gaspard de Neufville rises to speak.

"Bons messieurs, I would humbly ask that edict 1.6 - mon edict - be withdrawn, and replaced with the following edict.

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.

Will we stoop to purchasing land off our foes? Bretagne is currently cut off from the rest of the Regnum, however, I believe that men and supplies could be sent by sea to supply the Duchie's needs.

For if we purchased Anjou off the Normans, where would the Norman garrison go? It may well decide to wander off and begin pillaging the countryside, causing a war with disastrous consequences.

I believe that every amount of gold we can save will be necessary in order to rebuild our land after the centuries of strife and turmoil. Our roi has decreed that war shall not be declared with the Normans, and therefore I say that we do not line their coffers any further, lest they use it to strengthen their arm even more.

Gaspard resumes his seat.

Mon Roi, Nobles of the Realm!

It is with great regret that I have to inform you that my father, the Count of Montpierre has passed away unexpectedly. As his eldest son it is my duty to handle the succession. It's not that simple of a matter though. I will have to be there personally and will have to withdraw from Paris immediatelly. Once things are settled I shall return to serve my King once more.

I have left my voting choices with one of the clerks. I hope they can be considered.

I bid you farewell!

With a bow Simon leaves the Council Chambers.

So Sieur de Neufville, you pretend to know what is best for the Kingdom better than your King ?

The Normans, true to their ancestry of pillagers, are greedy bastards, my cousin the first among them. I think it would be a shame not to exploit that weakness to break the siege situation which Bretagne is suffering right now.

I will concede that it is not the best of solutions but we cannot go to war with the English and we need to bring relief to Bretagne.

Can you find another solution ?

At least, I will ask you to rescind your Edict as it is too binding on the Seneschal. As you may have noticed, I have not proposed any legislation towards buying Angers as I intended my proposal to be a guideline for the Seneschal rather than an order.

As to Edict 1.8, I will support it but will ask Sieur de Linars to rewrite it notably the part about having our diplomat remain near the Scottish capital à perpetuité. I would very much prefer a statement that this diplomat shall remain on the British Isle, thus enabling him to conduct business both with Scotland and England rather than limit his scope.

Gaspard turns to Philippe.

Mon roi, you asked for your nobles advice - I merely gave mine.

I believe in relieving the state of Bretagne, but not by bargaining with the Normans. And indeed, if the Normans be as greedy as you say - for I would not know, being born and bred in Bourgogne - such a beneficial deal to the Regnum could hardly be concluded.

I fear, mon Roi, I cannot rescind the edict. Otherwise, I may as well pack mon bags, saddle mon horses, and return to mon estates right now. If such an edict passed, it would have the support of the majority of your nobles; if it failed, it would not have such support.

If you were to rule the Regnum without a Seneschal, I would most certainly refrain from binding mon roi.

Gaspard respectfully resumes his seat.

Gaetan and rises, a look of incredulity upon his face.

"All due respect Gaspard - but favor does not come with being cheeky to your sovereign unless he asks you to jest before him. What you propose, is that the Royaume send ships to aid Rennes, but do you not see the logistical feet your asking?"

"No settlement in possession of the Royaume could construct the ships needed, not for quite sometime, and the only nearby settlement that can do so with expediency is Bruges or Provence, and one of those is controlled by the Germans."

"Then, we ust contend with the English where they are most comfortable, upon the sea, and if you concur with their greed, then you would realize they would capitalize upon such easy prey for them."

Gaetan shakes his head and seats himself, having said his part.

Sieur de Rethel, I thank you...

I did not mean to linger upon the lacks of Sieur de Neufville's reasoning but seeing how stubborn he is in supporting such a course of action, I thank you for sparing me the statement of the obvious.

Anyway, as it seems you have chosen to defy the will of your King, you are forcing my hand and that of the soon appointed Seneschal. Your Edict has not gain supporters yet but should it gain enough to be proposed before the Conseil in the voting session, I cannot allow for this opportunity to be closed to our Seneschal simply because, you, Sieur de Neufville, consider it inappropriate.

So, I will propose the following legislation :

Edict 1.10 : The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.

Hugues speaks.

I second Edict 1.10. I am glad that the Edict leaves a bit of wriggle room in case the English demand too high of a price.

It galls me a bit to pay for land which rightfully belongs to the Kingdom. However if succesful we will reunite Bretagne with the rest of the realm and split the English holdings while avoiding a war we are not ready for. A bitter truth, but there it is.

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So Sieur de Neufville, you pretend to know what is best for the Kingdom better than your King ?

The Normans, true to their ancestry of pillagers, are greedy bastards, my cousin the first among them. I think it would be a shame not to exploit that weakness to break the siege situation which Bretagne is suffering right now.

I will concede that it is not the best of solutions but we cannot go to war with the English and we need to bring relief to Bretagne.

Can you find another solution ?

At least, I will ask you to rescind your Edict as it is too binding on the Seneschal. As you may have noticed, I have not proposed any legislation towards buying Angers as I intended my proposal to be a guideline for the Seneschal rather than an order.

As to Edict 1.8, I will support it but will ask Sieur de Linars to rewrite it notably the part about having our diplomat remain near the Scottish capital à perpetuité. I would very much prefer a statement that this diplomat shall remain on the British Isle, thus enabling him to conduct business both with Scotland and England rather than limit his scope.

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Mon Rei,

The wording of edict 1.8 is deliberate. It does not prevent the diplomat from accomplishing other duties. The alliance with and existence of the Kingdom of the Scots is vital to our interests. Even though a faction will always have a capital, it will not always be the same city. Our diplomat must remain cognizant of the location and status of their capital which is why he should remain there à perpetuité [thanks for that phrase ~;)].

I believe in the utility of assigning diplomats by region, but the importance of this relationship cannot be understated.

:bow:

I second Edict 1.10. The isolation of Bretagne is insufferable, but if it may be ended by peaceful means rather than war, then we must try.

Sieur de Linars,

While I understand your concern that we must maintain a degree of cooperation with the Ecossais, I do not want to tie our diplomats' hands, in Scotland or elsewhere. Maybe you could rephrase your edict with a provision like this one :

Addendum to Edict 1.8 : The diplomat will remain at the most one season's march away from the Scottish capital at all times.

This would enable him to conduct other, and more covert, duties or even enable him to conduct business with my cousin's cronies to the South.

What do you think, Sieur de Linars ? Is it acceptable to you ?

Spotting Hermant Mauvoisin in the assembly, Philippe calls after him.

Mauvoisin,

A few days ago, you came to me with an offer of service. Does it still stands ? For if it does and my have employment for you and your company of chevaliers.

While our friends from Lorraine march to reclaim Metz, I have decided to set out and march on Bruges if you would follow me there.

I'll give my regards to the Comte de Flandres myself... at the point of my sword.

Mon Roi [had to review the "Frenchified" thread],

A wise and noble suggestion indeed. I hereby propose a modification to edict 1.8 as follows:

Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.

:bow:

Hermant rises at the King's mention of his name:

My King, the Company had planned to support the march on Metz, believing that quest was your priority. But following you in person to Bruges would be a greater glory. I will relay your will to my brother knights.

He bows and hurries from the Council hall.

Prince Louis sneers at Gaspard de Neufville before announcing,

I second Edict 1.10.

I would further propose, not as an edict but as a matter of common sense, that all those lacking the grace the rudest peasant would possess to bow to the expressed wishes of their King be excused from this chamber. More specifically, you, Sir Gaspard de Neufville. It was not enough that you revealed your foolishness by standing above your station for Seneschal, but now you greedily seek to block your King and his chosen taskmaster from their course.

It is precisely because of base blooded treacherous curs of your ilk that our great land has fallen so far. You've been instructed to withdraw your edict. It is an act of hideous disloyalty to stand here, before God and King, and refuse their authority.

To whom is this man sworn? Is there a Duke who will answer for his actions?

By the end of his outburst Louis' face has darkened and spittle flies from his lips as the words pour forth. He looks expectantly at the Dukes, now disregarding Gaspard de Neufville entirely.

:egypt:

Hugues raises an eyebrow at the Prince's display.

Chevalier de Neufville is sworn to the Duc de Bourgogne my Dread Dauphin.

While I think that Gaspard's edict is rubbish and that he could benefit from a longer look at our Charter, he has the right to propose one Edict in the Conseil. If we cannot do that here free from intimidation, there seems little point in the proceedings.

If the Edict is truly repugnant to his Majesty, he may use his veto. Though a lack of seconds will most likely doom it first.

Edit: Reeves has updated the list of Legislation again.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
  Proposed: Prince Louis
  Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
  Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
  Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
  Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
  Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
  Proposed: Gontran de Linars
  Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe de Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

Duc Raymon de Provence stands.

Sir Gaspard de Neufville is my man, my Dauphin. Though I do not support his edict, he has my full support in proposing it. If this body cannot even entertain thoughts that are not favored by his majesty, then may I ask what purpose it is to serve?

Although I am skeptical that the Normans will and over the Duchy of Anjou for a fair price, if they are willing to accept a price such that we may recoup the losses before my prospective term expires than I fully support the endeavour. Such would be the conditions I would have the Princess negotiate with, unless his majesty would prefer a different criteria.

After seeing two Dukes rise and make their statements, Alain is absentmindedly stroking Medoc's head as he casts his gaze towards the Dauphin and his response.

The Prince's face reddens even more on hearing the word 'intimidation,' but a glance at his father visibly halts the progression of his anger. Fists clenched he speaks in a low but controlled voice to the Dukes,

Gentlemen we shall each be responsible for the behavior of our vassals in this chamber. It is not necessary to propose only such legislation as the King prefers, but it is necessary not to directly challenge his will. Is this distinction clear?

Gaspard de Neufville has twice now stood above his station. First in suggesting his candidacy for Seneschal, and second in suggesting his absurd edict. Not only this, he withdrew a prior edict he had proposed, one which was at least moderately proper, and instead proposed this one in haste with no other purpose than to subvert the King's will. It is not acceptable.

I ask, as one Duke to another, that you, Duke Raymond, have a word with this man on proper behavior and decorum in this chamber, and the respect due to a King, from whose authority descends our own.

If you will not have a word with him I will.

Louis regards all three Dukes expectantly.

:egypt:

In contrast to the controlled anger from the Dauphin, the young Duke continues to pat his enormous poodle. Rather sardonically and with a flippant tone he says to Raymond from his seat.

"Seems fair enough to me Duc Raymond.

We can not be having zis type of be'aviour in ze Council.

We are not English for evens sake."

Hugues looks a bit quizical and speaks to the Dauphin.

But Highness, de Neufville is not your vassal. He is not even the vassal of your vassal. However, your devotion to your Majestic Father and his prerogatives is very filial of you.

Long live the King.

I would be happy to instruct my vassal on proper decorum, but as far as I can tell he needs no lesson from me. He as already apologized profusely for his early mistake of offering himself for Seneschal, and I've assumed the matter closed.

In regards to Edict 1.9, I see no insult to his majesty, intentional or otherwise, in either the wording nor the proposal. I should hope that Chevalier Gaspard would show his own Duc the respect he has shown the King in this regard.

The Prince has taken hold of himself, but still his words are terse and forced,

Indeed, long live the King.

What troubles me about this proposal, as I believed I had already made clear, is that it is a direct challenge to the announced intent of our King. It is as though some fool proposed an edict declaring war on England despite the King's having signed a truce. This body does not exist to contravene or subvert the will of it's King, but to aid and abet that will.

I am pleased that this bit of trash has not been seconded, but I remain disturbed that any noble in service to my father would have the termerity to propose it in the first place. There may come a day when you give your vassal an order in battle, reliant on the natural authority that descends to you from your King and God, and find that he has some other fool idea and wants to piss about and argue with you rather than follow. So, I say once more, if you will not have a word with him on the proper way to respect the authority of his King I will do so in my own way.

In further business I have an amendment to propose:

Amendment 1.2 The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.

This is necessary to ensure that our great nation does not become entangled with the infidels through trade or treaty.

:egypt:

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

*Raynaud rises immediately after the proposed Amendment is brought forth.*

Helping and aiding the heretic is the quickest way to damnation yourself and is entirely improper of a true Christian nation like ourselves. I second this noble Amendment 1.2.

Reeves hands a slip of parchment to Hugues and whispers something to him.

Really? Hmm.

Hugues speaks to the Conseil.

I am afraid amendment 1.2 would diminish the power of the King. As it stands now, only the King can unilaterally decide to declare war or not outside of a Conseil session as clearly spelled out in the Charter:

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(6) Can declare war on any faction at any time, for any reason.

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This amendment would allow any noble the ability to start a war with any Muslim faction if they came within arms reach. Anyone could grab a cog, land their personal retinue in Africa or Granada and start their own war right away.

Surely we trust the wisdom of the King more than the average noble when it comes to the timing and implementation of a declaration of war?

I am afraid I cannot support such a weakening of the King's power.

Edit: Also, Reeves has updated the list of Legislation again.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
  Proposed: Prince Louis
  Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
  Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
  Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
  Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
  Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
  Proposed: Gontran de Linars
  Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe de Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

Amendment 1.2: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.
  Proposed: Prince Louis
  Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Thomas rises and bows to the price before speaking to the conseil.

"Most respectfully, Highness, I am compelled to agree with the Duc. Not only is the power of the king diminished by such an amendment, it still further deprives him the right to hear from this conseil the opinions regarding such acts. Insofar as he has willed that we meet together to advise in matters of the state and not presume his intentions, it would be inappropriate to favor such legislation as has been proposed. To accord me or indeed any man here, the authority to make war with the Sultan of the Moors, the Turks, and the Egyptian Pharaoh without consent of those empowered to govern is a dangerous notion that weakens us all."

The Prince nods thoughtfully in regard to these points before turning to the King,

Mon Pere I would hear your opinion of the matter. If you wish it I will withdraw or alter the amendment, but I do believe it to be of considerable importance that we refrain from making treaties with the heathens. Can we all agree that this latter should be the case, even if we wish to protect the King's power to declare war?

:egypt:

Indeed, the logic behind Amendment 1.2 is sound.

However, my Prince, I must protest your speaking to my vassal directly in such a way. He is not under your authority, and when any complaints travel through the fuedal tree they should go through all layers.

Both eyebrows are raised rather quickly at the recent discussions. The Duc seems torn between speaking and holding his tongue. This plays quite expressively across his face and draws the attention of his poodle Medoc.

The great hound tilts its head inquisitively as it tries to determine just what is going on in his masters brain. Finally the boyish Duke stands:

"If ze proposed amendment from ze Dauphin limited its scope to everything but war, zen I believe zis would solve ze conundrum."

Medoc barks an agreement.

*Gontran's head pokes up*

Surely we cannot trade with these Muslim heathens. Their savage and barbarous actions set our ancestors back hundreds of years. I cannot, in good conscious, trade a single florin with those who pillaged the bulb of the fleur de lys.

Any act of aggression on their behalf should count as an act of war. I believe the amendment should be modified to reflect this.

Thierry raises.

I don't see a problem with the Amendment.

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Originally Posted by Amendment proposed by the Prince

The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.

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The Amendment doesn't contradict with the rule that the King can declare war on any faction at any time for any reason. The King keeps his powers and is in no way limited by the Amendment, in my opinion.

My son, you know me for a man of faith, a true believer in the teachings of our Mere l'Eglise.

Thus, I cannot tolerate to think that our Royaume will stoop to enter into treaty, be it for trade, with any Muslim nation. But sometimes things need to be written in law to prevent them from being forgotten.

So I will second Edict 1.2 if my son would only rewrite or strike out the last part of his proposal.

I do not like the idea of any minor noble entangling us in war with any Muslim nation on a whim. It could have dire consequences for the realm. However, I'll be amenable to any demand from Our nobility should it require to launch an attack on the mécréants. I'm open to sensible suggestions on that matter.

Speaking of war, it seems I have not made myself clear enough as regards the English presence on French soil. It boils my blood just thinking of the depredations committed against our countrymen, the riches of France taken across la Manche to Albion. But I have entered into an agreement with my cousin William and I will not see my word broken by power- and land-hungry nobles.

Word has it that some among your numbers are thinking of doing just that, making look either a fool for not being able to rein in my vassaux or a oath-breaker for saying one thing and doing another.

And this I will not tolerate !!

To that purpose, I will propose the following legislation :

Edict 1.11 : No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.

I'll be waiting to see who are the supporters of this Edict.

As to the matter of the Sieur de Neufville's Edict, I will concede the point that this Conseil has been created so that the Nobles of France could voice their concerns and make proposals as to how our Royaume should be led.

But remember, all of you, that I rule from divine mandate and that my word is law. Hence, when I speak my will, I will not see it contradicted directly though I could forgive if such a challenge came from a Duke and was more carefully worded than Sieur de Neufville's edict.

All the proposed legislation I've seen so far is sensible and will help France in those difficult times. The Edicts and Amendments proposed are strong but easy-to-follow guidelines for our Seneschal. This gives my confidence in the continuance and future of this legislative body.

Sieur de Neufville, know that I hold no grudge against you. You have spoken your mind, put your head into the lion's mouth, so to speak. That requires "courage" even if it borders of follishness. I hope you will show that same kind of bravery on the battlefield when it will be time to cast the English back overseas.

Sieur Mauvoisin, I hope your consultation with your peers will lead to you marching with me. I expect to test your valour soon and see if my trust in the Order de la Fleur de Lys was well placed.

Hugues speaks.

I will second Edict 1.11.

Also, just to clarify your Majesty, you were referring to the Dauphin revising Amendment 1.2, not Edict 1.2, correct? Both were proposed by the Prince. The scribes wish to know, but are too scared to ask.

Edit: Speaking of the scribes, the list of Legislation has been updated.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
  Proposed: Prince Louis
  Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
  Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
  Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
  Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
  Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
  Proposed: Gontran de Linars
  Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe de Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

Edict 1.11: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Hugues de Champagne

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

Amendment 1.2: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.
  Proposed: Prince Louis
  Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles

My King, could I ask you to add a paragraph to your proposed Edict, reading as such:

For the purpose of this Edict, an individual nobleman, escorted only by his bodyguards, is not considered to be an army.

Some may argue, for pure political gain of course, that a single chevalier and his trusted guards is "an army". I'm sure this isn't your intention, mon Roi, but not everybody is as noble as you.

I think it's best to prevent all misunderstandings. We don't want an Edict that could be interpreted as an interdiction for the noblemen living in Bretagne to come to Paris to attend the meetings of the Conseil.

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Originally Posted by Andres

My King, could I ask you to add a paragraph to your proposed Edict, reading as such:

For the purpose of this Edict, an individual nobleman, escorted only by his bodyguards, is not considered to be an army.

Some may argue, for pure political gain of course, that a single chevalier and his trusted guards is "an army". I'm sure this isn't your intention, mon Roi, but not everybody is as noble as you.

I think it's best to prevent all misunderstandings. We don't want an Edict that could be interpreted as an interdiction for the noblemen living in Bretagne to come to Paris to attend the meetings of the Conseil.

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"Although I take no issue with the idea of what you are proposing Thierry de Rochefort, I would take issue with the fact that it allows a single nobleman, escorted by his bodyguards, to be followed by a series of some such bodyguards, who then assemble upon the siege of a Castle or City, and proceed to declare war and capture the settlement or die trying."

"What you propose is a loophole that can be exploited, and that is, both in spirit and in will, against the wishes of our King."

"I will also second Edict 1.11 .

In addition I believe ze issue wiz ze Dauphin's Amendment 1.2 is zat it "allows" any noble to declare war on be'alf of ze entire realm, therefore it is not purely ze power of ze King.

Zat, is by definition a delusion of power.

Zat is why if ze amendment is changed to reference everyzing BUT declarations of war, it would not cause zis delusion."

The last sentence is said with some hesitancy and immediately the young Duke checks some notes, finally he nods to himself that he has the details correct.

At this time a impressively beautiful page saunters into the Chamber and hands Alain note. He reads it carefully, then looking back at the messenger he double takes in awe at the stunning face before him. Motioning with a slow finger to come closer, he suddenly grabs the page and proceeds to plant an enormously loud long kiss.

The page blushes furiously nearly running from the chamber, but not quick enough to avoid a hard slap on a very firm round rump.

"It is good to be ze Duke sometimes!!"

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Originally Posted by YLC

"Although I take no issue with the idea of what you are proposing Thierry de Rochefort, I would take issue with the fact that it allows a single nobleman, escorted by his bodyguards, to be followed by a series of some such bodyguards, who then assemble upon the siege of a Castle or City, and proceed to declare war and capture the settlement or die trying."

"What you propose is a loophole that can be exploited, and that is, both in spirit and in will, against the wishes of our King."

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So, you would, for instance, take issue if me and my Duke would travel from Rennes to Paris together?

That's absurd!

Hugues nods at de Rochefort.

I'm afraid even the passage of a small amount of men through their lands may endanger the truce. The English are a touchy lot. (OOC: Even a bodyguard unit can cause a relations drop by crossing the border without military access.)

If needed the Seneschal could ask the English for permission to cross their territory, but I'm not sure how popular that would be with the King, the Conseil or in London.

Oh great.

So, how are the noblemen of House Bretagne supposed to go back home after this Conseil has ended?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Oh great.

So, how are the noblemen of House Bretagne supposed to go back home after this Conseil has ended?

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Gaetan raises an eyebrow in confusion.

"Thierry de Rochefort, I must ask - how did they get here in the first place? How did you? Did God himself take you from Rennes and drop you upon Paris safely? No, I think not, and what you propose does more harm then good."

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Originally Posted by YLC

Gaetan raises an eyebrow in confusion.

"Thierry de Rochefort, I must ask - how did they get here in the first place? How did you? Did God himself take you from Rennes and drop you upon Paris safely? No, I think not, and what you propose does more harm then good."

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We got here by travelling. You know, you mount a horse and ride towards your destination.

The Edict 1.11, as interpreted by some nitpickers like Duke Hugues here, would forbid Duke de Rohan and his vassals to travel back to Rennes.

Hugues shakes his head.

I was thinking of proposing an Edict to build an adequate fleet to keep Bretagne connected to the rest of the Kingdom, but our only port is in Acquitaine.

The lack of any port facilities on the Atlantic is alarming. I hope either building a port or taking a city with one will be a priority for the Seneschal and the Dukes. I'm a bit landlocked at the moment myself so. . .

Though the King's drive on Bruges may resolve this eventually.

Worst comes to worst we could try to sneak a fleet around Spain.

OOC: Generally speaking in the PBMs, characters can usually make it to the Senate/Diet/Magnaura/Conseil meetings in person. The Edict only covers in game travel.

From my understanding Sieur de Rochefort, you are here under a laissez-passer from my cousin Guillaume which allows you and your retinue to come before this assembly and return peacefully to your fief (OOC : My IC explanation to what OK mentioned hereabove...:juggle2:)

I see no reason for my cousin to refuse another such laissez-passer should you require it, while we remain under a state of truce. But I do not think he would take kindly to you and your men marching under arms through what he thinks of as his territory. I know him to be a bit "territorial" and I think all our efforts would be for nothing if scores of French nobles went gallivanting through his lands.

So I will not change a word to my proposed Edict. If you want to be able to cross from Bretagne to any other point of France under arms, you should maybe ask our soon-to-be-appointed Seneschal to try and negociate a military access from my cousin.

As to the scribes' concerns, Hugues, I meant to have my son modify his Amendment not his Edict.

With all due respect, mon Roi, but your Edict doesn't make that distinction.

If we want to go from Paris to Rennes, then there's no other choice then to pass English lands. Your Edict forbids that, so doing so would be a violation of the Edict, as it is worded now.

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OOC: I know that OOC there's no problem to come to the Conseil in person, but it makes no sense IC, so Thierry will probably keep hammering on this. If the Edict passes, then I'll ask Zim to put my avatar in Paris as starting position. For RP'ing purposes, it just seems wrong to me to be able to "fly" to Paris every 10 years without it being considered a breach of the law IC :shrug:

You're welcome to remain in Paris, de Rochefort, if you fear the treachery of my cousin. I could have use of you in taking Bruges.

From there, you would be able to take ship to go back to Bretagne and hence, follow the letter of the law.

I will nevertheless change a few words to my Edict to make provisions for such situations as those you have pointed out.

Edict 1.11: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar or an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.

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OOC: I do not see the problem, Andres. In either KotR or LotR, we had avatars crossinig lines upon lines of enemy provinces to be present in the Diet or Magnaura and this wothout causing the slightest concern, even though some were even under siege. But I can understand the dichotomy it creates but I've chosen to work around it.

Hugues rubs the bridge of his nose.

Well, perhaps what we need is a really tremendous catapult. Something that could fling Chevalier de Rochefort a great distance. . .for the purpose of transporting him over English lands of course.

Your Majesty, the Order will ride on Bruges in support of your attack. Some of us are mustering in Reims, but are in easy reach of Bruges. Whoever we elect as Captain will coordinate with you in the offensive.

[OOC: Tristan and the Order Captain should coordinate over attacking Bruges - simplest if the Order Captain just let's Tristan move our company, but could be done in other ways that they can work out IC or OOC.]

Thierry bows towards the King.

Thank you for addressing my concerns, mylord.

If my Duke allows it, I'd be honored to help you with capturing Bruges, be it to watch and learn under your command or as the commanding officer of your army; whatever suits you best.

Thierry then turns his head towards Duke de Champagne, a calm expression on his face and his eyes cold as ice.

Funny, Duke de Champagne, really funny.

Maybe one day I will give you the honor of being the first test subject of such a device. I'll try to make sure your body doesn't get reduced into a bloody pulp.

Hugues laughs.

I thought smashing tankards over the heads of unsuspecting men was more your style Chevalier.

Thierry smiles at de Champagne.

Only idiots don't watch their backs, Duke de Champagne.

Turning to Hugues.

"I told you before Duc de Champagne.

He bites, so apologies in advance."

In response to his sovereign's words, Gaspards rises to speak.

"Mon Roi, forgive mon lack of deference. It is a sore point with me to pay for lands which should be ours by right. It shall be a pleasure charging into the thick of a melee in your name. When the time comes, you will not find me lacking against le Anglais!"

I second Edict 1.11 also.
The kings word is law.

Gaetan's eye's narrow at Thierry's words.

"Only fools do not watch their tongues, de Rochefort"

Thierry stares back at Gaethan.

You should watch yours closely Gaethan, if you don't want to find it on your plate for diner.

Thierry looks at the King and then stares back at Gaethan.

But maybe we should continue our discussion about extravagant gastronomy another time.

Prince Louis bows his head before the King's advice and issues his amendment so changed:

Amendment 1.2 The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and nobles shall have the right to petition the King for a declaration of war at any provocation from the heathens, most especially including the tresspass of agents or armies onto French soil.

I also second edict 1.11 (As altered).

I see that the matter of de Neufville's nonsesnse has been resolved to the King's evident satisfaction, and so I withdraw my complaint. Be warned though (The Prince pauses to glare at Gaspard and Beretin as his voices hardens) that further abridgements of propriety will not be met so lightly for my part. We are not a sty full of squabbling pigs but a noble body, and it is our obligation to observe the natural chain of authority. History is littered with states which failed due to rebelliousness and a lack of respect for authority. The Frankish people do not deserve to be allowed to fall into such vile ignominy.

I will not allow it! No matter the cost.

As soon as he returns to his seat the Prince's face clears of anger, however, and on seeing Duke de Rohan's thwacking of the page's bottom he gives the man an appreciative nod.

:egypt:

I second Amendment 1.2

Smiling cheekily at the Dauphin, Alain mouths the words:

"All my page boy's are actually wenches."

Quickly straightening his face and standing.

"I second Amendment 1.2!!"

Sitting back down he slaps Medoc on the nose for no apparent reason, the great hound simply ignores his master and stares at the rump of the departing pageboy, his tongue hanging a little further out of his mouth than normal.

A man stands up from the benches at the sides

I second Amendment 1.2, he shouts and then promptly sits down again.

Though it is not neccessary, I will also second Amendment 1.2

Philippe gives a brief nod to his son, full of respect.

Your majesty, though I agree with the principle of Edict 1.11, it seems to me that under it's present wording nobles would be forbidden from crossing into Norman lands, even if the Seneschal were to obtain permission from William the Bastard. Is that your will, my King?

Why, Duke Raymond but you are right !!! Though I'm not sure Guillaume would grant us passage through his lands, I can certainly provide for such a situation in the law.

What I do not want, as I've made already clear, is to see French nobles use this as a means to provoke the English and lead us in a war we cannot afford to lead at this point.

But, your point is a valid one, Raymond.

Hence, I propose the following :

Addendum to Edict 1.11 : Said edict will be suspended if the Seneschal successfully negociates military access or an alliance with England , and while that agreement lasts.

An ink stained scribe groggily comes into the Conseil and distrubutes the revised list of Legislation.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
  Proposed: Prince Louis
  Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
  Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
  Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
  Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
  Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
  Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
  Proposed: Gontran de Linars
  Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
  Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
  Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

Edict 1.11: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.
Edict 1.11.1: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar or an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.
*Edict 1.11.2: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar or an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict. Said edict will be suspended if the Seneschal successfully negociates military access or an alliance with England , and while that agreement lasts.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Alain de Rohan

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
  Proposed: King Philippe
  Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

Amendment 1.2: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.
*Amendment 1.2.1: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and nobles shall have the right to petition the King for a declaration of war at any provocation from the heathens, most especially including the tresspass of agents or armies onto French soil.
  Proposed: Prince Louis
  Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe Perrone

The King makes his entry into the Conseil chambers.

"Sa majesté le Roi !!" cries the Herald.

Salutation, mes seigneurs

I wish to congratulate Duc Alain de Rohan for his election to the position of Senechal.

I'm sure the Kingdom will be well led in the seasons to come under such a guidance.

I hope Duc Raymond is not too disappointed. This election was not a judgment on his abilities but simply a statement of the collective will of the majority of your peers.

Lastly, I wish to you all the best of luck in the endeavours of the next few years, which I think will see our swords get bloodied.

I'm glad that most of our proposed legislation has been adopted.

As to the Crusade proposal, though it failed, I'm sure it was only because it has been proposed too early.

Let's discuss the matter with Sa Sainteté and bring him to support us in this.

I join you in congratulating Duke de Rohan and I concur Mon Pere, that there is time yet to see the Crusade win support from the nobility of France, upholders of the code of Chivalry. Indeed, just because the Edict did not pass does not mean we can't find ourselves in position sometime within Duke de Rohan's term to begin preparations for it, especially if the Pope looks fondly on our ambition.

Now, too, we will see the worth of William's word. I pray that he shows your truce the same respect the men of France owe it!

Before I depart for the south I invite all Tournament participants to drink on my florin at the Tavern one last time. May God grant you victory and valor in the fields of battle as you showed on the field in Paris!

:egypt:

Alain stands, bowing formally to the King and Dauphin, he seems a little embarassed.

He turns to Duc Raymond.

"My Lord Duc, firstly let me say it was an 'onour and a priviledge to compete against you, not only in ze tournament but also 'ere for ze position of Senechal."

He now addresses the chamber in general.

"My Lords, I zank you for your support and faith in me. I am sure we will see and experience many zings in ze next ten seasons and zat by ze end of my term we will 'ave achieved much."

The King storms in the Conseil.

A scribe !! I need a scribe !!

A scribe hurries to the King.

Take note and send this message post-haste to the "Captain" of the Ordre de la Fleur de Lys.

The scribe quickly sets to writing, while the King dictates.

Sieur de Rethel,

Captain,

I had hoped your Order would be more respectful of my orders. Your orders were to meet me on the march to Bruges, not to lay siege to that city.

Don't you think that if I had wished to see Bruges under siege it would have been ? (OOC : Philippe had enough movement left to do it)

I have been negociating with some parties in the city and to do this, I need them to be able to come and go at will, which your current siege is preventing.

So I will ask you to break the siege at once. Or I will relieve you of your command and do it myself. I will also ask you to join me at the earliest opportunity to fill the ranks of the Royaume's army under my command.

I hope you will serve me better in years to come.

Par la Grâce de Dieu,

Philippe
Roi des Francs

The scribe stopped writing. He quickly rolled the parchment and put a seal of wax. He then presented the rolled-up parchment to Philippe, which quickly applied his seal before returning the parchment.

Send it with the fastest courier you can find and hurry.

The scribe almost ran out of the chamber, if only to be outof reach of Philippe's wrath.

"Yes it did seem a razer ballsy move to go and seige Bruges."

With some heavy sarcasm Alain continues;

"It is good to see ze Order showing its true colours so early in ze piece."

Hermant stands up indignantly:

"Seneschal! The true colours of the Order are blue with the golden fleur de lys, same as His Majesty Our King! If you cleave any of us, you will find we bleed true with the same colours and die with the word "France" on our lips.

I regret that there has been a miscommunication with the King over the drive on Bruges, but such things happen in war. For our part, we will strive to coordinate better with the army commanders we support. For your part, we would ask for a little charity. We are young, Duc, and are learning. We all must start somewhere, whether it be as lowly knights in service of our King or as great Seneschals."

Hermant bows courteously at the Seneschal and sits down promptly.

Alain smiles at the reaction.

"Excellent, defensive and beligerant as well. Zis is very appropriate for Knights of France.

I 'ope we do not 'ave any more 'uncoordinated' events Ser Hermant. It is not as if we are famous for going off 'half cocked' as zay say in English."

Your majesty, nobles of France, Seneschal: Forgive my lateness for saying so, but I would like to congratulate Duc Alain de Rohan for his victory in the election. I look forward to seeing a stronger France in the coming years.

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

I have already congratulated the Prince in private, but I would like to say it publicly that I salute him on his marriage to such a proper and holy woman in the Princess Theresa, and wish them many fine children. All involved in the negotations have shown gret skill and proves that France is blessed indeed.

Indeed, congratulations to Prince for finding such a fine bride. And congratulations to the Princess for such smooth negotiations. Here's to the future heirs of France!

HERE HERE!!!! To the Prince and Princess!