Conseil du Royaume

**Andres** · 08-10-2009, 09:53

My King, could I ask you to add a paragraph to your proposed Edict, reading as such:

For the purpose of this Edict, an individual nobleman, escorted only by his bodyguards, is not considered to be an army.

Some may argue, for pure political gain of course, that a single chevalier and his trusted guards is "an army". I'm sure this isn't your intention, mon Roi, but not everybody is as noble as you.

I think it's best to prevent all misunderstandings. We don't want an Edict that could be interpreted as an interdiction for the noblemen living in Bretagne to come to Paris to attend the meetings of the Conseil.

**ULC** · 08-10-2009, 10:02

Originally Posted by Andres

My King, could I ask you to add a paragraph to your proposed Edict, reading as such:

For the purpose of this Edict, an individual nobleman, escorted only by his bodyguards, is not considered to be an army.

Some may argue, for pure political gain of course, that a single chevalier and his trusted guards is "an army". I'm sure this isn't your intention, mon Roi, but not everybody is as noble as you.

I think it's best to prevent all misunderstandings. We don't want an Edict that could be interpreted as an interdiction for the noblemen living in Bretagne to come to Paris to attend the meetings of the Conseil.

"Although I take no issue with the idea of what you are proposing Thierry de Rochefort, I would take issue with the fact that it allows a single nobleman, escorted by his bodyguards, to be followed by a series of some such bodyguards, who then assemble upon the siege of a Castle or City, and proceed to declare war and capture the settlement or die trying."

"What you propose is a loophole that can be exploited, and that is, both in spirit and in will, against the wishes of our King."

**Andres** · 08-10-2009, 10:17

Originally Posted by YLC

"Although I take no issue with the idea of what you are proposing Thierry de Rochefort, I would take issue with the fact that it allows a single nobleman, escorted by his bodyguards, to be followed by a series of some such bodyguards, who then assemble upon the siege of a Castle or City, and proceed to declare war and capture the settlement or die trying."

"What you propose is a loophole that can be exploited, and that is, both in spirit and in will, against the wishes of our King."

So, you would, for instance, take issue if me and my Duke would travel from Rennes to Paris together?

That's absurd!

**AussieGiant** · 08-10-2009, 10:05

"I will also second Edict 1.11 .

In addition I believe ze issue wiz ze Dauphin's Amendment 1.2 is zat it "allows" any noble to declare war on be'alf of ze entire realm, therefore it is not purely ze power of ze King.

Zat, is by definition a delusion of power.

Zat is why if ze amendment is changed to reference everyzing BUT declarations of war, it would not cause zis delusion."

The last sentence is said with some hesitancy and immediately the young Duke checks some notes, finally he nods to himself that he has the details correct.

At this time a impressively beautiful page saunters into the Chamber and hands Alain note. He reads it carefully, then looking back at the messenger he double takes in awe at the stunning face before him. Motioning with a slow finger to come closer, he suddenly grabs the page and proceeds to plant an enormously loud long kiss.

The page blushes furiously nearly running from the chamber, but not quick enough to avoid a hard slap on a very firm round rump.

"It is good to be ze Duke sometimes!!"

**OverKnight** · 08-10-2009, 10:18

Hugues nods at de Rochefort.

I'm afraid even the passage of a small amount of men through their lands may endanger the truce. The English are a touchy lot. (OOC: Even a bodyguard unit can cause a relations drop by crossing the border without military access.)

If needed the Seneschal could ask the English for permission to cross their territory, but I'm not sure how popular that would be with the King, the Conseil or in London.

**Andres** · 08-10-2009, 10:20

Oh great.

So, how are the noblemen of House Bretagne supposed to go back home after this Conseil has ended?

**ULC** · 08-10-2009, 10:25

Originally Posted by Andres

Oh great.

So, how are the noblemen of House Bretagne supposed to go back home after this Conseil has ended?

Gaetan raises an eyebrow in confusion.

"Thierry de Rochefort, I must ask - how did they get here in the first place? How did you? Did God himself take you from Rennes and drop you upon Paris safely? No, I think not, and what you propose does more harm then good."

**Andres** · 08-10-2009, 10:32

Originally Posted by YLC

Gaetan raises an eyebrow in confusion.

"Thierry de Rochefort, I must ask - how did they get here in the first place? How did you? Did God himself take you from Rennes and drop you upon Paris safely? No, I think not, and what you propose does more harm then good."

We got here by travelling. You know, you mount a horse and ride towards your destination.

The Edict 1.11, as interpreted by some nitpickers like Duke Hugues here, would forbid Duke de Rohan and his vassals to travel back to Rennes.

**_Tristan_** · 08-10-2009, 10:50

From my understanding Sieur de Rochefort, you are here under a laissez-passer from my cousin Guillaume which allows you and your retinue to come before this assembly and return peacefully to your fief (OOC : My IC explanation to what OK mentioned hereabove...

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I see no reason for my cousin to refuse another such laissez-passer should you require it, while we remain under a state of truce. But I do not think he would take kindly to you and your men marching under arms through what he thinks of as his territory. I know him to be a bit "territorial" and I think all our efforts would be for nothing if scores of French nobles went gallivanting through his lands.

So I will not change a word to my proposed Edict. If you want to be able to cross from Bretagne to any other point of France under arms, you should maybe ask our soon-to-be-appointed Seneschal to try and negociate a military access from my cousin.

As to the scribes' concerns, Hugues, I meant to have my son modify his Amendment not his Edict.

**Andres** · 08-10-2009, 10:58

With all due respect, mon Roi, but your Edict doesn't make that distinction.

If we want to go from Paris to Rennes, then there's no other choice then to pass English lands. Your Edict forbids that, so doing so would be a violation of the Edict, as it is worded now.

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**OverKnight** · 08-10-2009, 10:42

Hugues shakes his head.

I was thinking of proposing an Edict to build an adequate fleet to keep Bretagne connected to the rest of the Kingdom, but our only port is in Acquitaine.

The lack of any port facilities on the Atlantic is alarming. I hope either building a port or taking a city with one will be a priority for the Seneschal and the Dukes. I'm a bit landlocked at the moment myself so. . .

Though the King's drive on Bruges may resolve this eventually.

Worst comes to worst we could try to sneak a fleet around Spain.

OOC: Generally speaking in the PBMs, characters can usually make it to the Senate/Diet/Magnaura/Conseil meetings in person. The Edict only covers in game travel.