Does anyone even listen to creationists these days?

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Originally Posted by Gilrandir

In fact, the mind/brain semantics is irrelevant for this debate of ours. What I tried to show with my examples is that similar input and similar "things in the head" don't always produce similar output and vice versa - similar input and different TITH don't always mean different output. Are you still following me?

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No, who said anything about always?
I gave a vague reasoning for why among two sets of thousands of people each, over a timespan of a thousand years, who are subjected to similar problems and similar climate changes, there may be one or more in each set of people who come up with similar ideas.
Is that wrong now or not? Does every human invention have to spread from one single human to all others or is it possible that a german and an englishman invented the jet engine independently from one another?

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

All these OT miracles are in the realm of natural laws and could be performed by a scientific advanced race (not suggesting anything here).

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Apparently our eyes are formed in the way they are to enhance green red light at the expense of blue and night vision.

http://m.smh.com.au/technology/sci-t...uch.touch.html

So the nerves help channel the light to the red and green sensitive cones.

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Originally Posted by Gilrandir

Perhaps they counted by tens.

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Well.. sort of. It's a mix between our system and Roman like numerals.
They use letters from their alphabet and they have letters for 1 - 9, 10 - 90, 100 - 400 where 400 is the largest number with a single letter. 500 would be 400 + 100

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Originally Posted by Husar

No, who said anything about always?
I gave a vague reasoning for why among two sets of thousands of people each, over a timespan of a thousand years, who are subjected to similar problems and similar climate changes, there may be one or more in each set of people who come up with similar ideas.
Is that wrong now or not? Does every human invention have to spread from one single human to all others or is it possible that a german and an englishman invented the jet engine independently from one another?

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It is possible all right. Only I wouldn't turn the possibility into a pattern or rule. Too many exceptions and/or irregularities.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

Well.. sort of. It's a mix between our system and Roman like numerals.
They use letters from their alphabet and they have letters for 1 - 9, 10 - 90, 100 - 400 where 400 is the largest number with a single letter. 500 would be 400 + 100

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It seems to me (though I can't wager on it) that the older numerical systems were duodecimal (12-based). Having this in view, it would be more natural to have the traces of it in older books. Yet it may apply to European civilizations only (like the Celtic one).

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

This is just a quick example of why if someone say they are a creationist 2015, you should just slowly back away... Avoid eye contact... And then just run. Not for your life, of course. They are not muslims. I just mean like, generally run because of sanity reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_J-imkehU

If you don't bother watching the video, and HELL YES I want to avoid us having to watch idiotic videos to debate.

The main point is:

IF we are intelligently designed, how come the design is so god awful stupid? The video shows how we have inherited physiological traits that today do ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD, but were well functioning when we were back in the ocean...

And then we just kind of rolled on with it, as it worked.

Not because it's intelligently designed, but because it works.



So, any christian fanboy want to step up and have a fight about creation?







* as a sidenote to all non-christians... I can well believe, among another things, that the universe WAS intelligently created. Lots of actual scientific theories would support it, the "We are Sims" one as an example (even if I personally dont put much faith in it, as there surely would be easier ways to calculate than making organisms... ((unless I just believe I am an organism!!??)).

I just find the idea that the CHRISTIAN intelligent design would be "correct" absolutely shocking, as that would go against pretty much everything we have learnt since having sharp minds away from an iron age desert tribe believing society thingy...*

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The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

“Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge


haven't been on a awhile just saw this thread. I will be doing a thread on creation vs evolution next, I have been very busy and it will be awhile. As far as your post I will say, their is a reason evolutionist dont debate, and only those willing and wanting believe them and dont challenge what they say and come away with a post and belief similar to op. For anyone willing to question and challenge what they believe, please read this book

The greatest hoax on earth Refuting dawkins on evolution
http://creation.com/the-greatest-hoax-on-earth/main.php

It is a response to his whole book but this argument is in his book and is responded in detail and really shows why it is these "bad design" arguments [ and others used to teach evolution] dont work in debate and why just like dawkins, he refused to debate sarfati in recorded public debate on his book. When I do post i will post dozens of debates when evolutionist do debate, than you will see more reasons why they only work on those willing and wanting to believe.

Who starts off their post by pasting their signature? :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by total relism

The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

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Oh good, this guy again.

total relism is back!!! Yay!!!

No one gets the backroom going like he does! Welcome back!