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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
I am hesitantly in agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Hesitant, because I know how capable Sunbae is, but still leaning V because in his interactions with you it would be quite easy to take a less charitable position on me and justify it, so I don't see any early signs of pushing things toward ML.
Vote ender
Prob least towny slot so far
hi insomnia :rtwyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
makes sense, i do the same thing on new sites tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
hi insomnia
any thoughts from either of you so far?
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Originally Posted by Visor
slight non-partnery look if it matters in the long runQuote:
Originally Posted by Lantana
:bow:
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Originally Posted by Visor
we are the one and the same personQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
i am reading through content rn to catch up
can you give a reason why? if not then that's fine too i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
hrm this is a minor good look. fluffing into plopping a vote like this feels like a fine enough progressionQuote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
alr saw some posts saying spamposting here is frowned upon so i tried to read through everything and condense things in 1 post
i really don't understand visor's taffy read. i thought taffy started with a semi-awkward opening that i wouldn't really wolfread without meta, but it kept me on my toes. apparently visor had the opposite take but from his reasoning it didn't make much sense to me. gth his sunbae v read so soon might be a better look? idk them well enough to shake off my early feeling about visor
sunbae's gripes seemed ~ok, not that villagery. i wanna lean into saying experienced players picking on a detail like that is a good look ig
mischief's starting posts seemed underwhelming for them but i have no thoughts on their follow-up
das bout it
it was just a lazy early read because they were posting a bunch and didnt seem concerned about posting game contentQuote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
(but i think its probably a silly read, i kinda just made it to try and spark something in the game)
Not an enormous amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Sunbae V lean, mentioned above or last page.
I also lean v on Lantana, just tonally.
I'm not really sure about others.
You in particular, I'm not sure about.
In particular the paranoia in earlier posts, I could see that being faked, but it's entirely possible that you were just feeling a little paranoid.
That's not something I can really determine as of this point in the game.
also meant to say lanfantana (i totally butchered it, im sure, sry) voting rask there feels pretty weird for someone kicking into gear as i felt like they were. or at least trying to. it is a conscious decision to place an RVS vote despite being able to analyse the content at hand, and i wanna know why they did it
this might be one of those weird villager reads, but seriously i can't see the reason for the villa read. can you like rephrase or dive deeper?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
that'll be all from me for a bit, i'll bbl
gotcha, but i don't get the feel they were really posting game content? ~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Hi MischiefQuote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
... i didnt say they were posting game content, i said tehy didnt seem concerned (about having to) post game contentQuote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
they were absolutely not posting game content - which i mention later in the thread anyway?
let me try to reduce this to the simplest arguments
a) i thought the fact they didnt seem to really care about making game related posts (and didnt really make any, just a RVS post) was a minor village note for a newer player
b) i thought by making this village read on them, that if they were a villager, they may take heart and be more willing to engage in the game/solving
ok that's good enough and my bad for misreadingQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
ty
Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn’t some negative weight to the demand?Quote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
Nya if I misread!
I didn’t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it’s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3
Hi MischiefQuote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
Hi Mis- LantanaQuote:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Nya
This seems towny. Surface level towny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
On second thoughts I do think a wolf is less likely to express the thought in general and just post lots for the sweet town cred.
So, cool Sunbae.
Getting some nice town reads for the situation :2thumbsup:
Don’t really have any other thoughts yet other than wanting people to do more lol but that’s a me problem until I wake up I think ^^
See you in the morning!
Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.
His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who’s acutely aware of everything they’re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.
Vote visor
I was going with snark, if that helps =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
It was kinda a ridiculous thought to even take seriously so I thought it funny if I pseudo pretended to.
I want to say I love the name. Very catlike. =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I am aware of everything I post? I don't make idle posts in ww games, even posts that seem lazy and noncontributive are done with an eye towards how I think I will be perceived, how I want to be perceived and how I need to be perceived.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Any villager worth their salt should be consider their posts.
Fascinating that katze gave meta on me, not sure they've really seen me as a wolf . Are you a foler?
I don't see an issue with being diplomatic in 24 hours phases either, I didn't want to get into a brawl with insomnia over a misunderstanding of a post, especially because in a few hours I'll be afk till near EOD.
Whether his read on me was something he actually believed or something he thought he could push until I closed it down is something I remain uncertain of
(That all said, lol using someone else's meta interpretation to read me instead of just reading my posts)
Er to be clear on this: I'm not saying I'm some sort of ww mastermind, just that yes I am self aware and I don't think being self aware is wolfyQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Don't believe him, Visor is a ww mastermind.
That being said, this doesn't feel as much like his wolf play (Lolpartnering)
Albeit, D1 so I reserve the right to change this, but so far it's been ~fine~ from Visor.
My vote should actually be somewhere else than Sunbae since I have them null
But my vote was funny.
vote: mischief
Is where I'm thinking rn
Sunbae seems fine for right now, realistically too early to make a confident v read on him with few posts but he has ticked the right boxes for now
I like Lantana trying to use meta from someone not in the game as an earnest attempt to get me killed, might be a bad read here but I'm taking a D1 gander that they are a villa
Ender had a bit of a wonky start but I also don't think he's tried to look villagery, so I'm also putting a D1 gander there
Taffy, well I'm probably not gonna kill a new player D1, needs to re enter for me to make a read any direction
Insomnia - not even info really to make a read on
Mischief - a slight thing, but the wording of some of his posts feel a little stilted, and his reads without much commenting on the posts in between nor posing many questions is a slight negative sign
So from the posters so far, that's where I'm leaning, but I'm loathe to make a wolf read with 3 zero posters so far. I will be voting one of them if we have 2 or more at EOD, fwiw
As I write this, I'm reminded of ender constantly referring to meta to clear bluekang when we wolfed together, so it's interesting to see him try to clear me on meta (though seems to have less confidence than he did in that game and that's a good sign I think)
Incidentally there's a hilarious world where sunbae/Lantana are wolves but I won't share that one quite yet lol
Reason I cleared BlueKang on meta was purely because I actually had the meta to back it up and could reference it.
I sorta do with you but no way am I gonna lock you in pre-3 days =P
Mischief is not, funnily enough, my super secret wolf read.
Taffy?
Aight well I'm off. Hope you all get cracking and we get some wagons going for eod
Nah Taffy has me pocketed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Sup friendos. Gonna read :curtain:
Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.
Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase
vote: taffy
Def 24 hour phaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
If it was 48 I'd just post :curtain:
You are playing a very insidious game here. :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I would also just post in a 48.
I am just posting in a 24, but I would also do it in a 48. :3
Talk to me about your Taffy/Lantana read Raskol?
@Ender: taffy because I am not sure his villa read on you was a joke and his ISO looks filled with posts made to post Id say.
Lantana because of the focus on visor (weird meta read from katze too lol. Visor liked it, I really didnt: i think he isnt ez to read and if you ask someone about him, you arent likely to come and sheep/use it this way). Also there is a post looking blatantly like a shade on insomnia.
Finally their early banter looked like ww to me. Dunno, it was straight up at the start, but they arent probbing or trying to figure each other out.
Now back to F1
Vote: Lantana
I think that'll be my "Going to sleep" vote today.
Pressure go brrrrrrrrrrr
So cute!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
Yeah, I came really close to getting one last year. Maybe a year and a half ago, idk time has lost all meaning. Went as far as calling in to one of those shelters that specialize in rabbits and talking with them about it. They told me all that was required - special foods, large spaces for them to hop around, specific vets that specialize in them, etc - and I got cold feet because I couldn't really manage all that in my current place. That's ok though, one day! I've already decided to get one (and a cat, and a dog) when I finally get a place of my own.
Current thoughts after catching up:
I'm trying to be a little more proactive this time around (my last game on MU was pretty much a non-factor and even if my reads were fine you could have replaced me with OPEN SLOT and nothing much would have changed).
Ender, Rask: I'd like to talk about the Lantana wolf reads because I've got a townread there. I thought the overnight posting once I went to sleep was fine so it's not just the bubbly/eager thing. The way they brushed off my villa read as a “won't always be bubbly but it's fine” instead of just taking and moving on felt right? If they are a wolf and trying to pocket me (which the whole villa read of me would be) I don't know why they'd be like that. Switching Visor from townread to wolf read citing Katze-given meta was understandable if that's what you've been told. The timing of the villa read and the shift make sense under those parameters. I did circle back thinking “oh maybe it shifted cause Visor started poking there and it's nefarious” but the change happened while Visor was talking to Insomnia about Taffy so I don't think there's anything to that? My current take is it's someone used to faster paced games and just bouncing around trying to find * something * to chat about.
Lantana: I don't think the meta you have on Visor is uh, accurate? I've always found him to be pretty self-aware regardless of alignment and I think his discussion of trying to just straighten out a misunderstanding is perfectly reasonable. I have a slight townread there for the “whether his read on me was something he actually believed or something he thought he could push until I closed it down is something I remain uncertain of” comment about Insomnia after the misunderstanding because I think it'd be a pretty easy sport for wolf!visor to either buddy up to or lightly shade Insomnia and picking neither just doesn't seem to have an agenda to me. With the knowledge that multiple people have told you the meta read there isn't how they would do it, where's your head at on the rest of their posting?
Ender: It being a snarky response clears that up for me, ty
Regarding Mischief: I think the explanation of wanting to just post immediately to show you'll be around on a new site makes sense. I have a slight town read there for not really forcing anything and openly saying they can't really determine much else at this point in the game. My view of villager!Mischief is one that is pretty careful about finding what reads/votes they have and not pressing the matter.
I got no real thoughts about Insomnia's stint, will wait to see what Taffy says upon return before I try to formulate anything there, and want to interact with Rask/Ender more before landing on anything there as well.
vote: VisorQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Reason: I don't believe that this is a real read from you.
We have played over the course of 6 years, during that time you have seen a plethora of games from me from both sides, on both sides.
The stiff writing style comment might resonate with someone entirely unfamiliar with me, since I have literally received comments players who didn't know me about it in the last two full games I have played (on MU, and can link if needed. One wolf game, and one as village PR).
Additionally, it is something people have commented on when unfamiliar at other points in the past.
It is something that is not alignment indicative at all, and someone who has played with me not just a few quite quite a few times, would know this well.
Someone with that much experience would also be well aware of the fact I've never been much of an interrogative player, but rather than observational player, with questions forming more sparsely when I have more to work with.
This is a consistent enough fact about me that it could even be used to describe my social style as a whole. (which is probably not great, but c'est la viei)
Lastly, I am less committal on reads than I am as wolf, by a pretty fair margin, especially with such minimal information as is present in a lower volume game.
Conclusion: you are voting me for things that are either not alignment indicative or are in my villa range, and while I would be perfectly fine with a vote for me based on a legitimate case or grievance, I see no legitimacy in this, thus you are a wolf.
Rask: meant to ask if you were referencing the "negative weight" thing regarding Insomnia shade
I'm unsure if my attempts to tighten up some play has resulted in me just not being in the flow or what, but I have like 3 townreads and they are all being voted or voting the others so I'm going to try and figure out if it's me and I need to reorient myself or if I need to try and talk through this with people.
Link to what I'm referencing: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...cd#post5948052Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
That post contains both the post in the second game (wolf) as well as the village PR game (as Finn Wolfhard), for anyone interested.
That is also my most recent wolf game, for anyone interested (though arguably also an above average wolf game for me).
Official Tally as of #135
2 Mischief (Totally not Taffy, Visor)
1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Raskolnikov (Lantana)
1 Totally not Taffy (Raskolnikov)
1 Visor (Mischief)
Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Sunbae
Day 1 ends in
Makes sense, I nearly adopted a cat years ago, before I had a bit more space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
Nicest cat ever, super sweet and almost immediately gravitated to me when I was at the cat cafe.
I couldn't adopt then, though, because there just wasn't enough space.
This was the cat:
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When you do get one (and the cat and dog), be sure to post photos
And I feel you on time losing meaning.
We've been in covid for almost 2.5 years.
I assure you I will never shut up about them and post all the pictures in the world until people are annoyed by me for it lol. I love animals but never got to have one growing up. My brother was allergic to the hair and I've been in places that don't allow them since.
That cat is so cute <3 <3 <3
hi i made it. Blame the almost 4 month old sleep terrorist currently residing in my home
When I read this initially, I assumed there was no real reasoning behind this, being so early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Now that there are more posts, is this a read you actually have at this point, and if so why?
What is your overall experience with Ender?
Visor v
Ahhh that's unfortunate, hopefully soon enough you'll be somewhere you can acquire one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
Are you looking at places?
The market is abysmal atm.
That's rather quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
What is your reasoning there?
Visor's quick v read on me has some fun meta where I expect him to get there on me relatively quickly and he knows I expect him to get there on me relatively quickly. I didn't put much thought to it alignment wise and don't think anyone else should either. What I did think was alignment indicative a bit was the lack of any comments about you after this exchange you two had. Pretty easy spot for wolfVisor to diffuse and then begin pocketing you with a town read or for wolfVisor to start shading you for not getting it, but instead just kinda diffused and shrugged and moved on.Quote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
Irl laughed at "sleep terrorist"Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
Welcome to Mafia catposting, please prepare your submission.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
"Sleep Terrorist" sounds like a metalcore band.
I read his posts and he's not in his wolf metaQuote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
Idk, I can't really explain it. He's taking the game as it comes and not forcing reads imo. it's based on gut feels to a degree
The market is abysmal and I'm happy/content being able to be where I'm at currently overall considering the alternatives. If I decide to start looking it'll be for a big move to a different state but that feels like a far ways off. Sadly, this has been that case for longer than I could remember. My "I'll stay a couple years here" move here has turned into over a decade. Yikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
Me: Long winded explanation of why I think wolf visor would have forced a read on Insomnia and therefore is a town read which nobody really reads all the way through
Dya: visor v, not forcing it, cant explain more
One day I'll learn to be succinct and concise and will ascend to a new werewolf form
I'll read back, if I glossed over something last night, but what is your overall read on that slot? (beyond simply voting for pressure/wolfreading)Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
fwiw I think you're expecting a lot out of visor, mischief. In the last game we played together, i didnt really recall your exact play and it was hard to use meta on you as a result. don't you think it could be the same for visor here? why have expectations about how you specifically play when you had a long hiatus?
Dya's entrance seems good
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Originally Posted by dyachei
To both of you, what are your thoughts, then, in regard to his vote on me, and perhaps my vote on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
I don't see his position on me as all that believable, but I am open to opinions there.
And Sunbae, I actually prefer the long winded explanations, because I have less of a "wait, what?" reaction upon seeing them.
It at least provides more to dissect, which is appreciated.
sup
That is true, I was gone for quite a while, so perhaps I am being a bit unfair in that respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I don't retain meta enormously well either, so I'm fairly certain I had something of a reset upon returning.
I'll unvote for now and mull it over.
unvote: Visor
someone's up to mischiefQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
~:smoking:
Sup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
Should be interesting to see what you're like in a non-mash setting.
just as devilishly handsome, I assure youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I think a lot of times we all think others have better meta on us than they really do. Time between games, dozens and dozens of other players to remember, etc all vying for the same space and we can't remember it all. I guess what I'm saying is, I think reads of "villager them would know this is my villa range" should be used few and far between and reserved to people that have consistently gotten you correct against the grain and have shown an understanding of exactly why they were correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
For instance, if Visor voted me on day 1 because I seemed aloof or scatterbrained, I would panic about it. He's the person that I think reads me the best out of anyone on any site I've ever played on because he genuinely understands my process, ideas, and what I aim to accomplish. And he's done it over years, in really hard spots to be right on (he villa read me after I counterclaimed angel on the angel and got them chopped ffs). That's not to say Visor voting me day 1 in general would panic me (you feel things out in werewolf and its cool) but just with that specific reasoning due to meta. Pretty much nobody else would garner that reaction from me.
As for your vote on him, I understand your pov. You thought it was weird, that he should know better, and voted. I just currently don't think it's correct (I mean maybe it is, but I just don't think the reasoning was right even if so? if that makes sense).
i mean vote him if you want to, but I just thought your reasoning was a bit muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Mischief