idk if wolf!lissa makes this post after kicking up a completely and obviously unachievable CFD onto waza then fair enough lol
i think youre coming down too hard on dya and stett here for the eod, ben. the eod was dumb as fuck and because of afks there were literally only two viable wagons. if ONLY we consolidated onto taff who *surely* will active her arso ability any day here
this post doesn't make sense coming from v!lissa imo
the shiny claim part especially. thats legit wolf salt and/or salt antispew lol
"please seriously look at what waza was doing here tomorrow" is also like, blatant wolf line toiling on the emotion of eod voters
05-15-2025, 01:25
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange
but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care
i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team
Vote: lissa
05-15-2025, 01:27
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange
but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care
i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team
Vote: lissa
i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment
05-15-2025, 01:27
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
benneh i just dont get the arctic stuff
i know it is old hat now, but you are a much more tuned in and switched on player than i am, how on earth did i come to the right read and you didnt lol
like just help me there
05-15-2025, 01:30
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
because nobody would listen to anything i have to say
but they will listen to ladd
(not even taking into consideration whether i am right or wrong)
Hmmm I think realistically if it’s Ben and lissa they kill you over ladd
You are pushing both and ladd was locked in on Ben v
I’m pretty sure Ben is v too but idk if I’ll hard shield, I’m a little wary he’s pocketing me a bit with his reads on me last couple of days after I said on d1 he shoulda been townreading me… but this is probably just a dumb tinfoil with no merit. I think his posting is still pretty pure and yeah probs been tmi’d by wolves since everyone who could be in my poe has him as hard town lol
After EOD I thought maybe lissa/dya but idk why dya kills ladd unless lissa really wanted ladd gone
05-15-2025, 01:30
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
benneh i just dont get the arctic stuff
i know it is old hat now, but you are a much more tuned in and switched on player than i am, how on earth did i come to the right read and you didnt lol
like just help me there
i was really sold on the slip, i was really convinced and confbiased by annika also SRing him + i did not at all buy his solve on me and lissa and how he re-entered overnight post-slip
by eod i did not feel the same but thats useless for you cause i was outta posts then (and also he made his final towny post so late it didn't really matter if i did have posts)
tl;dr i got tunneled and wanted to be right and i was being gussied up by several players for a good catch so i didnt wana let it go so i leveraged information disproporationately
happens to the worst of us
05-15-2025, 01:32
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment
This post doesn’t help my tinfoil on you :dizzy2:
05-15-2025, 01:33
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Hmmm I think realistically if it’s Ben and lissa they kill you over ladd
You are pushing both and ladd was locked in on Ben v
I’m pretty sure Ben is v too but idk if I’ll hard shield, I’m a little wary he’s pocketing me a bit with his reads on me last couple of days after I said on d1 he shoulda been townreading me… but this is probably just a dumb tinfoil with no merit. I think his posting is still pretty pure and yeah probs been tmi’d by wolves since everyone who could be in my poe has him as hard town lol
After EOD I thought maybe lissa/dya but idk why dya kills ladd unless lissa really wanted ladd gone
i mean they cant kill me in that scenario anyway
if i die lissa always diies tomorrow
if ladd dies theres a chance
05-15-2025, 01:33
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
maple/lissa aren't paired from d1 so i'll just assume they aren't w/w pushing v!lissa wincon today. If so bleh w/e what can ya do. I dunno. Her yes anding of benneh when he was yapping about arctic's mech still didn't feel partnered.
so ig dya or maple and i just got yelled at to vote ender by wolves lol lmao
vote: lissa
05-15-2025, 01:35
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
re: ladd dying over whoever else:
1) it could be as simple as wolves trying to doc dodge a jailkeep. depends on who the wolves are in totality but given we didn't hit a wolf with the elim, they dont have to worry so much about the jailkeep clearing someone if they're targeted and a kill goes through. also, the town PRs, if real, aren't a huge threat to them atm (or at least perceived to be) so they probably don't want to kill in them hoping town does it instead
2) i don't really think that's the case. he was, IMO, pretty clear from eod yesterday so he's prob just a good kill for all the normal reasons
05-15-2025, 01:36
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
This post doesn’t help my tinfoil on you :dizzy2:
i don't really care and it probably won't matter (wolves will win or lose before i get mischopped this game)
05-15-2025, 01:48
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
re: ladd dying over whoever else:
1) it could be as simple as wolves trying to doc dodge a jailkeep. depends on who the wolves are in totality but given we didn't hit a wolf with the elim, they dont have to worry so much about the jailkeep clearing someone if they're targeted and a kill goes through. also, the town PRs, if real, aren't a huge threat to them atm (or at least perceived to be) so they probably don't want to kill in them hoping town does it instead
2) i don't really think that's the case. he was, IMO, pretty clear from eod yesterday so he's prob just a good kill for all the normal reasons
Oh yeah jk
I forgot about that, lol if I had jk I probs woulda used it to doc visor last night so maybe that’s what wolves thought might happen
05-15-2025, 01:52
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Still not a wolf. Still disappointed in benneh not being able to see that without relying on ladds read. It shouldn't be hard for him specifically to find me this game especially after yesterday.
I did vote lissa at some points yesterday but I guess I suck at reading g her now if she's a wolf
05-15-2025, 02:17
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
Still not a wolf. Still disappointed in benneh not being able to see that without relying on ladds read. It shouldn't be hard for him specifically to find me this game especially after yesterday.
I did vote lissa at some points yesterday but I guess I suck at reading g her now if she's a wolf
What did you find towny about lissa at eod?
I genuinely don’t know where I would go after lissa and I lowkey think we gonna lose anyways lol
05-15-2025, 02:18
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Ngl I was thinking it was you dya for eod too, but that recent post felt kinda genuine lol
05-15-2025, 02:19
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
What did you find towny about lissa at eod?
I genuinely don’t know where I would go after lissa and I lowkey think we gonna lose anyways lol
I just felt some of her sentiments matched mine and I felt pretty lost at eod. I started wanting to vote her out. Idk man I just let her talk me out of it and I feel dumb
05-15-2025, 02:19
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Ngl I was thinking it was you dya for eod too, but that recent post felt kinda genuine lol
You don't know me as well as Ben does tbqh. He knows better. I don't think I've ever moved my vote around like that as a wolf if I'm being frank
05-15-2025, 02:20
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Fair, you mentioned Ben should be able to find you, specifically after yesterday. Which posts/parts of your play are you thinking you should be found off?
05-15-2025, 02:27
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Fair, you mentioned Ben should be able to find you, specifically after yesterday. Which posts/parts of your play are you thinking you should be found off?
well, as a wolf I definitely tend to keep my vote more stable and argue for who I'm voting to be voted out, if i move it it's like once or twice. not whatever yesterday was. I guess I'm more decisive as a wolf and while it's something I have recognized and am working on, I don't think I could replicate yesterday, EOD included, as a wolf atp. I was solving all of yesterday, as well. In my typical way, which ben has picked up on before. Those are the main points.
05-15-2025, 02:30
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
well, as a wolf I definitely tend to keep my vote more stable and argue for who I'm voting to be voted out, if i move it it's like once or twice. not whatever yesterday was. I guess I'm more decisive as a wolf and while it's something I have recognized and am working on, I don't think I could replicate yesterday, EOD included, as a wolf atp. I was solving all of yesterday, as well. In my typical way, which ben has picked up on before. Those are the main points.
Can you talk me through your thought process behind each of the votes you made towards eod yesterday? I do agree in general that switching votes a lot is rand v but being reminded of the jk I just realise now the other wolf probs would have wanted to try really hard to make sure lissa doesn’t go over because if jk is real then we get a free green check to shrink the poe or a red check… as I say that I realise my best argument for why maples eod being maybe towny yesterday isn’t such a great argument in the context of wolves needing lissa to survive that eod
05-15-2025, 02:33
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Can you talk me through your thought process behind each of the votes you made towards eod yesterday? I do agree in general that switching votes a lot is rand v but being reminded of the jk I just realise now the other wolf probs would have wanted to try really hard to make sure lissa doesn’t go over because if jk is real then we get a free green check to shrink the poe or a red check… as I say that I realise my best argument for why maples eod being maybe towny yesterday isn’t such a great argument in the context of wolves needing lissa to survive that eod
i wasn't trying hard to make sure lissa didnt go over at all, so like that argument makes no sense to me
I voted ender because i didnt have a read there and could have been wrong. I thought maple was being villagery more towards EOD. I still think taffy or maple could be a lost wolf so i voted there a bunch
05-15-2025, 02:33
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I just felt some of her sentiments matched mine and I felt pretty lost at eod. I started wanting to vote her out. Idk man I just let her talk me out of it and I feel dumb
What makes you sure she’s wolf now? Just Enders flip or how did you process it ig
also dya, I found you early on d1, I’m not relying on ladds read for anything. I am frustrated that’s been a point of contention with regard to discussing your slot more than anything cause I’ve toenrrad nearly everything you had besides last nights eod
talk me thru who it is fypov if it’s not just lissa/maple, cause that means we have a misclear that’s pretty deep in the towncore and you have a pretty decent view of the game in that world
05-15-2025, 02:34
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
i wasn't trying hard to make sure lissa didnt go over at all, so like that argument makes no sense to me
I voted ender because i didnt have a read there and could have been wrong. I thought maple was being villagery more towards EOD. I still think taffy or maple could be a lost wolf so i voted there a bunch
Yeah im not trying to necessary say that argument applies to only you, i just think whoever the other wolf is they are probs on the ender wagon (which ig isn’t groundbreaking fmpov since it just implies visor v and not much else but yeah)
05-15-2025, 02:37
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Well that blows.
I still don't understand what on earth waza was doing with that entire line if he is a villager and I struggle to believe it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
I’ll be honest I don’t even think maple is a wolf
I was busy at eod so only checking in every now and then, I did tell myself if maple voted me I would vote them back (because Imo I felt town them should never side with lissa over me in that clash at eod) so yeah when I came back with 2 mins left I saw a glimpse of what may resemble a villagers legacy from lissa who was suggesting to keep an eye on me after she flipped
So yeah I voted maple
I went back and read everything properly after the flips when I had time and yeah that was stupid of me to flip, Lissas strength of her push on me is unfounded, claiming I was trying to bury her when all I was doing was asking a question over and over until she gave a satisfactory answer, this is in stark contrast to visor who was actually burying her for two days which she just ignored
So yeah probs just a wolf
Vote:lissa
I think maples eod is too comically paired with lissa to be w/w, but if they are already ignited I endorse taffy to just go full send on it because I don’t think we will ever be able to clear maple for good and yeah they had 3 criminal eods in a row, but my heart of heart thinks they’re wrong town gth
Your question and comparison made zero sense to keep asking about, I answered it every time.
You straight up ignored a bunch of extremely obvious details and nuances of the two very different situations to equate them.
You were trying to gotcha me for total nonsense. I can't really believe that as a villager you think that entire line of thought made any sense in the way you went about it.
---
Waza killing ladd is kinda weird but I don't think I care. I don't think waza needed him alive to be safe/live. He's a good, dangerous to wolves villager.
I think Maple is just a wolf? I reread the EoD and I'm pretty sure she was just like. Blatantly trying to look good off my flip and not expecting me to actually not go over. It reminds me of like..... really performative ways she would defend villas when we were wolfing together in our recent mashes. She was almost kinda taunting me about the fact that I was still gonna go over?
if I've just been stuck in that pocket for days it explains a lot actually
Her whole "attempt to save me" just seems like a performance. I really don't think she expected me to actually live.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Sorry bestie ill murder a wolf for you tmr promise
like bro this is just straight up her taunting me about not being savable lmao
holy shit
It also fits with ladd dying. And it fits with waza deciding to vote off wagon on her when it pretty obviously wasn't going to go anywhere. And a couple of other ways waza has postured at/about Maple.
I was REALLY frustrated about ben capping off wagon after EoD started playing out like it did. It kinda made me worry a bit that he unvoted my counter while making himself unable to vote at eod but he is like, insanely town. And given flip it can't have been an attempt to protect wolf Ender. My read probably shouldn't be quite as strong as it was maybe idk but whatever he's just a villager almost certainly dude is blatantly town.
Stett is still just town.
Visor... should just be town?
Which leads me to think that if one of waza/maple is town or if there's another wolf, it's actually pzelda??
Dude has had a lot of like. WEIRD pov posts throughout this game. He was really villagery at points and I know a couple people have said he's way out of known wolf ranges but like. Idk it's been a few years since he played yeah? Stuff like that can get broken, I'm increasingly reluctant to put a lot of weight in it at this point. His read on me was... also really TMI-y when I think about it more. Locking me in for the reasons he did was too strong to make sense.
05-15-2025, 02:37
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Also I think we ignore the lost wolf worlds for now cause it’s not fruitful to view the game that way this close to lylo IMO
even fi I think there’s a good chance it’s true
05-15-2025, 02:39
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Well that blows.
I still don't understand what on earth waza was doing with that entire line if he is a villager and I struggle to believe it.
Your question and comparison made zero sense to keep asking about, I answered it every time.
You straight up ignored a bunch of extremely obvious details and nuances of the two very different situations to equate them.
You were trying to gotcha me for total nonsense. I can't really believe that as a villager you think that entire line of thought made any sense in the way you went about it.
---
Waza killing ladd is kinda weird but I don't think I care. I don't think waza needed him alive to be safe/live. He's a good, dangerous to wolves villager.
I think Maple is just a wolf? I reread the EoD and I'm pretty sure she was just like. Blatantly trying to look good off my flip and not expecting me to actually not go over. It reminds me of like..... really performative ways she would defend villas when we were wolfing together in our recent mashes. She was almost kinda taunting me about the fact that I was still gonna go over?
if I've just been stuck in that pocket for days it explains a lot actually
Her whole "attempt to save me" just seems like a performance. I really don't think she expected me to actually live.
like bro this is just straight up her taunting me about not being savable lmao
holy shit
It also fits with ladd dying. And it fits with waza deciding to vote off wagon on her when it pretty obviously wasn't going to go anywhere. And a couple of other ways waza has postured at/about Maple.
I was REALLY frustrated about ben capping off wagon after EoD started playing out like it did. It kinda made me worry a bit that he unvoted my counter while making himself unable to vote at eod but he is like, insanely town. And given flip it can't have been an attempt to protect wolf Ender. My read probably shouldn't be quite as strong as it was maybe idk but whatever he's just a villager almost certainly dude is blatantly town.
Stett is still just town.
Visor... should just be town?
Which leads me to think that if one of waza/maple is town or if there's another wolf, it's actually pzelda??
Dude has had a lot of like. WEIRD pov posts throughout this game. He was really villagery at points and I know a couple people have said he's way out of known wolf ranges but like. Idk it's been a few years since he played yeah? Stuff like that can get broken, I'm increasingly reluctant to put a lot of weight in it at this point. His read on me was... also really TMI-y when I think about it more. Locking me in for the reasons he did was too strong to make sense.
Can you go more into Zelda and stett reads for me
05-15-2025, 02:39
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
lissa who are you saying is the second wolf to maple in that post, I don’t see a second wolf read but you’re talking about room for lost eolves
maybe a me problem
05-15-2025, 02:40
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
lissa who are you saying is the second wolf to maple in that post, I don’t see a second wolf read but you’re talking about room for lost eolves
maybe a me problem
Waza.
05-15-2025, 02:41
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Ok a me problem, I misread something
05-15-2025, 02:46
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Waza.
So u think me and maple are w/w and I ended eod by asking maple to be invited and gave you a chance to cw them with me to which you replied “maple is just town” when I could simple just not offer that and vote either you or ender if that was v/v wagons
Anyways lol I don’t know what else to say to that other than lol
But yeah talk more about why Stett is town and your Zelda read, I’m curious on those. Preflip me town for a second and solve there
05-15-2025, 02:50
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Can you go more into Zelda and stett reads for me
of course
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.
so this one is pretty minor, but this was a weird read, in retrospect it feels like some sort of tmi-y thing where he thinks ender has made himself look villagery by it and is trying to get ahead of it
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I think what made me post this was the part about Lissa. It just felt like a good evaluation.
this was also kinda nonsense. saying I was less clear than the other rask voters? pretty obvious and surface level
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I find it more likely coming from not a wolf (in a pack) mind. It's that kind of post explaining something a different player maybe wanted to hold back.
But thinking about it some more, it might be a wolf using another player to create a narrative and to wifom.
Ok, I guess It's not the best post to read into.
yeah idk this kinda just seems like he realized he had tmi in the other post lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I'm still catching up. Arctic reaction to the claim is weird? It feels like overreacting, I noted it, but I don't read into it too much.
The more interesting stuff is benneh opening the game again and Visor trying to open the game and trying to steer away from Maple. There's something he dislikes. I'm not sure if it's that the focus feels too narrow or that he would prefer to open the game and avoid the yeet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Ok, that claim seemed to be weird tbh. Kuddos to Ladd pointing it out first.
The worst thing about splitting a redirector would be that you would have 4 claims for town to clear. I wouldn't mind discussing Maple's claim a little further.
I'm out of time now, but I'll be back for the eod and I want to discuss more than claims.
this is a BIG thing I thought was off. specifically too, this and combined with his following series of posts:
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I feel a little bit lazy, but I don't think there's a reason to revisit most of my reads.
Benneh/waza/stett/Dya/Lissa/Taffy - town
Visor - very likely town. I think he might be someone to talk about some more, but if Arctic flips red, he's basically cleared. That early push from Arctic wasn't bussing IMHO. And the track is real in that case.
Ladd - it just feels like the guy's town
Annika - multiple players have her locked town. I don't quite see the reason, but I'm comfortable rolling with the consensus.
Maple - I'm locking him villa if Arctic flips red.
Ender - Ok, I think town, but I also think I should keep an eye on him. I wouldn't clear him for pushing Arctic and I would check how Arctic pushed back.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Vote: Arctic
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
The thing about not pushing his case here triggers me a little.
Btw let's just work on an assumption Arctic flips red.
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Can you go more into Zelda and stett reads for me
he completely glossed over the actual reason arctic was treated as outed at first, and then went on to also go along with treating him as outed
obviously I'm not saying that treating him as outed was wolfy. his progression to it was REALLY bad. I don't think he ever acknowledged the actual core reason that arctic became "outed". He talked about a BUNCH of other stuff w/r/t arctic but seemed completely unable to talk about the actual centerpiece of what had put him in the position he was in.
that's one of my biggest things, his while perspective/pov around arctic was really weird, like he knew arctic was gonna flip villa and then tried to compensate in a really awkward way
05-15-2025, 02:51
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
So u think me and maple are w/w and I ended eod by asking maple to be invited and gave you a chance to cw them with me to which you replied “maple is just town” when I could simple just not offer that and vote either you or ender if that was v/v wagons
Anyways lol I don’t know what else to say to that other than lol
But yeah talk more about why Stett is town and your Zelda read, I’m curious on those. Preflip me town for a second and solve there
I mean I think it was pretty clear that maple wasn't ever actually going to go over there. No matter what I did. So feels kinda performative?
Wish I'd seen what she was doing then instead of afterward but I'm not sure it really would have changed much of anything.
But yeah I mean it's certainly possible I am wrong re: you. I just talked about pzelda a chunk, will a bit more, and will stett as well momentarily
05-15-2025, 02:52
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
What makes you sure she’s wolf now? Just Enders flip or how did you process it ig
also dya, I found you early on d1, I’m not relying on ladds read for anything. I am frustrated that’s been a point of contention with regard to discussing your slot more than anything cause I’ve toenrrad nearly everything you had besides last nights eod
talk me thru who it is fypov if it’s not just lissa/maple, cause that means we have a misclear that’s pretty deep in the towncore and you have a pretty decent view of the game in that world
you seem pretty sure and you caught her last game. You also are my top villager. Im not just sheeping, i think she fits as a possible wolf, too
Idk why maple targeted me last night tbh
05-15-2025, 02:54
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I was thinking about this and having two half lightning rods and a bomber makes more sense than one half redirector, one bomber and an inventor with a possibility to clear more players. Or does it not?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I can't help myself I like Arctic based on their recent posts. If they really are mafia, this is a bold offensive (tbh @Arctic I used phrases such as "if they flip wolf" in my post claim comments). Before the claim my feeling was that
Also, why would Arctic claim there as a wolf? It would be risky as there could be a cc. The only option would be they were a wolf redirector and I can't see why would anyone put that role in.
Ofc that leads to me thinking about Benneh. Mostly, because I think he should be one of these players pointing out that slips don't exist. At least I believe so.
I'm not jumping to conclusions just ruminating my options for the rest of D2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
So, let's get back to it.
First, let's talk about claims a little bit further. Taffy's almost always real. I think they got rather towny before eod too and their claim just makes sense. Now, would it make sense for them to soft if they were mafia? Mayhaps. Would a setting with two redirectors and an inventor be balanced with a mafia bomber? It sounds quite balanced to me, but mafia wouldn't need a defuser. So, they're town 9 times out of ten with a slight possibility of being a lost wolf or a 3p.
Now let's talk about the inventor. I think I would like to know details on what can the role invent outside of 1x track. Town inventor is possibly swingy tbh. Mafia inventor possibly too. It can be quite powerful if used well as it has a chance to clear others. So far it works as an investigative role. The setup with two half redirectors and a bomber against a diffuser and a inventor sounds pro-towm tbh.
Now, I think the worst thing about Arctic's claim isn't a balancing issue. But the way they hinted at being vanilla and that they actually claimed it. And if the claim is real an even night redirector would make some sense as a mafia role. For example redirecting the track or the inventor's gift. So, it's the weakest claim even without that slip.
Like Arctic is the only claim I'm willing to vote.
When I'm back I will check their actual posts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
The problem of playing the game while also doing something else is that I tend to forget details. So, let's focus on broader stokes. The first thing I liked is that Arctic came back and started fighting. And tbh his posts are quite contentful. If mafia, he's quite confident in his skill to sway us away.
I agree that his Lissa and Ben reads are a weak salsa. I was thinking about that while writing the previous lines and I hope I'm not creating a narrative here. For w!Arctic targeting Benneh or Lissa would be an obvious strategy here. Their death would mean a removal of a strong town player. It would be a win win for an evil Arctic. They would stay alive longer, remove a threat and get another chance to thrive.
If Arctic is V, I see some logic in pushing the people who push you.
Also, the bus driver is driving like crazy, honking his way through traffic.
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Originally Posted by pzelda
Why is Annika in towncores again I don't like the tone here.
Also, to give this post another purpose. Let's discuss an option of Arctic not being a wolf. If Arctic's real and town, who is Mafia?
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Originally Posted by pzelda
I might feel alien because I haven't been able to properly get the feel for the game today. Esp, after the claim. I believe Benneh, but I also had some doubts. Now, I'm back to almost blidnly trusting him. And that means trusting Lissa too. The thing with Benneh is that I not only read him as town I trust him enough to sheep him and to keep my vote on Arctic. You might have noticed that I was exploring some options, but I kept my vote firmly on Arctic.
like he NEVER F'ING ACKNOWLEDGES the ACTUAL reason arctic was the core focus in the way he was, the reason he was "outed", he talks about literally everything else except for kind of acknowledging benneh for it way late and weirdly
05-15-2025, 02:54
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Hmmm thanks for that
I planned to reread Zelda anyways so any thoughts there help, after writing all that out do you feel more confident in your tinfoil there or still about the same as when you started? Is there anything you find towny from them? Also why u sure on stett town? You accuse Zelda of having tmi on you, why wouldn’t Stett be the same? If you are town surely wolves would have nk’d her right?
Lissa (5), Maple (6), Totally not Taffy (0), dyachei (6), nebjiamn (15), pzelda (0)
05-15-2025, 03:08
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Hmmm thanks for that
I planned to reread Zelda anyways so any thoughts there help, after writing all that out do you feel more confident in your tinfoil there or still about the same as when you started? Is there anything you find towny from them? Also why u sure on stett town? You accuse Zelda of having tmi on you, why wouldn’t Stett be the same? If you are town surely wolves would have nk’d her right?
yeah writing it out definitely made me feel more strongly about it and I'm wondering if maybe you are actually a villa and it is maple/zelda
some elements of their desync with the thread and some of their thoughts based on that have felt kinda villagery, but it doesn't really feel like a super strong thing at this point. I remember thinking they made some super villagery posts on d1, but I didn't feel the same about them when I looked again.
re: stett's read on me
my dude, do you know what context is
have you heard the word
have you never considered the concept that something that's technically the same thing distilled down to its core can be so wildly different as to not really be a meaningful comparison
I don't understand the comparison you seem to be trying to make. my issue with zelda very much comes down to the specifics of the read, it's not that I think townreading me is just inherently tmi?? he made a really ~lock town read on me yesterday, for reasons I don't think merited or progressed logically to a ~lock town read. the strength of the read mismatched the read really hard in a way that felt out of place
stett's handling of me on the other hand has felt far more natural and nuanced. she's also just made like, a lot of villagery posts. her thoughts on the game in general feel like they have continued to develop organically? idk she's just kinda obviously town imo. there's any number of reasons wolves could have chosen not to kill her, but if you mean last night specifically, she was pretty openly wavering on me at points.
05-15-2025, 03:11
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
i'm increasingly kinda thinking you are maybe just a villager and we just think about certain things extremely differently tbh
05-15-2025, 03:18
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I get that context matters, that’s essentially what I’m asking you lol
What was the difference betweeen the context of stetts handling of you vs Zelda’s
Like yeah I get the idea that Zelda’s lock tr in you is weird and maybe ur right the build up is unjustified
I also think that stett entering the game saying she faked all her reads and u being her only real tr is weird too, given there were much more townier slots present at sod, do you think that’s fair?
I agree she has villagery posts, are you certain she’s never a wolf? Has she reached that point where she is beyond tinfoil to you? If so, why do you think she’s out of wolfrange
05-15-2025, 03:27
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
I get that context matters, that’s essentially what I’m asking you lol
What was the difference betweeen the context of stetts handling of you vs Zelda’s
Like yeah I get the idea that Zelda’s lock tr in you is weird and maybe ur right the build up is unjustified
I also think that stett entering the game saying she faked all her reads and u being her only real tr is weird too, given there were much more townier slots present at sod, do you think that’s fair?
I agree she has villagery posts, are you certain she’s never a wolf? Has she reached that point where she is beyond tinfoil to you? If so, why do you think she’s out of wolfrange
oh stett's SoD1 with the fake reads thing was super weird I agree. I just don't really care that much about it given the rest of her posting? idk like why did she do that as a wolf lol. I mean... you could level some and you could also think that she was doing it because she was struggling otherwise, but given the rest of her gameplay I don't think that holds up. it's all kinda levels in the end I've long stopped putting a lot of thought into that particular thing or weight in it in any direction
re: me being her only townread at sod, certainly I agree there were other pretty towny slots at sod but I don't think it's that out there, given she knew the situation of the wolf mash I was coming from and in more than surface detail? it makes sense for me to be one of the people she's paying most attention to knowing how freshly I was coming out of that game imo
I don't know if I'd quite say never but she is a pretty strong townread. I think it's extremely probable that she is out of wolfrange; she's on a similar level of read to benneh for me. I think that the twists and turns of her posting and the uhh kind of like emotional flow? for lack of a better word would be very very hard for her to fake this well.
05-15-2025, 03:30
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Kk thanks that makes sense I think you explained everything I wanted to
Last point you mentioned stetts read on you is nuanced, I may have missed it but can you point to examples of her posts that express nuance in the way she’s been reading you and shows that she has been actively evaluating you
05-15-2025, 03:36
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by didistetter
I'm not gonna be uselessly spreading or exploring paranoia, but I'm probably not taking super many people as face value villager.
@Totally not Taffy who did you douse and why?
@Maple i recognize you won't be around for a bit, but can you explain your eod approach please? Because it def felt like trying to snap on taffy given annika/I were defending arctic to leave arctic for a later possible lim.
@Lissa i want to hear your worldview.
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Originally Posted by didistetter
don't overthink this, don't worry about it, frankly ignore it. i want to see what maple and taffy and lissa post.
Vote: benben
gngn :end:
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Originally Posted by didistetter
i agree that your eod felt towny.
I think my problem is: the bit of ate d2 kinda shook me, and I 10000% you would have those emotions as town, but it kinda threw me back to indie mash where, when i solved around you I was mostly right, but when i fell for a ate moment and started solving with you you were indeed wolf and you stated talking me out of all my correct scumreads.
I think the problem i'm really struggling with rn is:
maple is making herself impossible to find by just tunneling taffy for the most part and being bored with the game. It's hard for me to process.
I think both pzelda and ender have been towny. I think lissa has fallen off and i really struggled with her handling of arctic yesterday.
I kinda have you/ladd as both sounding good and speaking well, but I struggle hard with the directions yall take.
Like
Ladd pushed taffy D1 and a bit D2.
He's now pushing maple as wolf and ender as second wolf.
Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town. And his strong defense of you is pinging me, b/c i'm not sure if it's just correct, if it's pockety, or if it actually does have pair equity.
I also, no shade, really really didn't like his catchup posts "relooking" at the whole game yesterday, and the thoughts felt kinda shallow/performative.
This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed
I do agree that you seemed down to kill ladd eod1, but it's hard to full eval when you were postcapped so it's mostly vote swinging. I'm p sure I also explicitly said I didn't actually want to kill ladd while he was AFK for being seemingly wrong on Taffy, so im not sure how much juice that actually had.
It's more my concern now that you're focusing on maple, who doesn't seem particularly fussed to play the game, than ladd: who fits more into the profile of a maf in this gamestate to me
anyways i appreciate you and im sorry if it feels like I've been stonewalling you. I'm kinda bad at doing like... big dissection solvy wally posts nowadays.
vote: ladd
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Originally Posted by didistetter
Vote: Lissa
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Originally Posted by didistetter
Sunbae tr ladd and lissa, and one wolf in ben/dya/waza
Arctic tr ladd and dya, and SR ben and lissa
Annika had poe of Lissa/Ladd/Ender/Dya but didn't vote on dya and also kinda tr ladd and thought maple towntold
bruh idfk lol
@annika @Arctic why didn't yall vote dya with me yesterdayyyyyy -_-
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Originally Posted by didistetter
i'd kinda prefer to elim ender over lissa.
Read back ender's iso and i was giving him too much credit for some casual/shitposty stuff that vibed like decent tone and confidence, and even though i don't love Lissa's reaction to arctic/encouraging of ben's sus on arctic misreading his role, and it sucks she's been so afk this phase, i still think she has some ok moments where she just kinda feels ?fine? towny? dunno.
id probs prefer ender -> lissa -> maple
Biggest issue with manti is the fact she claimed at all. It rlly could equally be a wolf role made to give towncred or a town investigative role.
If we have town/3p arso, town inventor, and odd/even redirectbodyguards i really would expect wolf kp tho so... we might be working with pretty narrow chances to get this right
multiquote is being SUPER BORKED and it also won't let me normal quote anything new so posting this half in the hopes it'll fix it wowee
05-15-2025, 03:42
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.
I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
Lissa has some micro towny posts.
The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.
regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.
I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.
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Originally Posted by didistetter
I don't think lissa is a wolf.
Maybe i'm bad.
Maybe i'm correct.
Maybe I have TMI.
@Lissa if you're town and survive the day we need you to be as present as you can
I am going to lobby for voted on ender here please, i think lissa is towny still
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Originally Posted by didistetter
vote: waza
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
i don't like your posting towards lissa rn.
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Originally Posted by didistetter
i don't like those posts either from u tho either lissa :wowee:
he doesn't need to bury you here what your voters are all afk
Vote: Unvote
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Originally Posted by didistetter
ya lol those lissa posts were bad
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Originally Posted by didistetter
yeah
idk
ender's final post also felt kinda towny, and i'm rolling back through waza's ISO and he wouldn't be with ender.
I think if i push ender out and he's v tommorow is just maple vs. lissa again and if that's v/v we're cooked
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Originally Posted by didistetter
what's your direction tomorrow when lissa flips v?
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Originally Posted by didistetter
ew.
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Originally Posted by didistetter
w/e waza.
Vote: lissa
here have your townflip.
feels like a wolf win
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Originally Posted by didistetter
vote: ender
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Originally Posted by didistetter
i should just stayed on lissa bleh.
probably my bad. sorry
(apparently you can't have more than 6 posts multiquoted at once)
05-15-2025, 04:08
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
you seem pretty sure and you caught her last game. You also are my top villager. Im not just sheeping, i think she fits as a possible wolf, too
Idk why maple targeted me last night tbh
honestly i'm not super sure, if i had a dayvig i'd kill maple here cause i sorta see them a bit unpaired and i think maples been more wolfy overall, but lissa's eod stunk a lot
like IMO maple's eod2 (and eod1) was just overt wolfing whereas lissa only has 1 eod as an overt wolf (pre-emptively gonna say her EOD1 was just sorta wolfy, not quite overt levels)
having said that, i townread visor a lot and ladd just died and i think those two things specifically point to lissa a lot
what generous gift did manti bestow upon you today
05-15-2025, 04:31
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
you seem pretty sure and you caught her last game. You also are my top villager. Im not just sheeping, i think she fits as a possible wolf, too
Idk why maple targeted me last night tbh
Thought you were both v and unlikely to die in the night
05-15-2025, 04:43
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
If lissa's a wolf I'll take the L on that man idk she doesnt post THAT good as wolf
but the way visor put it of the waza push being some mash-like overextension at EoD is like kinda real tho esp since shes wolf so much in mashes, i can see the vision
meow meow
apparently i deserve to feel so unconfident in my reads, i need to go over stuff again and start back over
someone call me an idiot for v reading like benneh, dya, stett or smth i keep closing my PoE and not liking the results
05-15-2025, 04:44
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
nah fuck it
vote: taffy
05-15-2025, 04:52
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Sticking with my dya read I think.
05-15-2025, 05:17
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
;-;
lissa post good waza post weird maple feels borderline trolling for giving dya an invention and continuing to tunnel taffy
vote: maple
maple who tf is taffy's partner and wtf would setup be
05-15-2025, 05:26
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Bro wtf do you mean why is giving dya an invention trolling they're probably just village do you want me to give it.to nl when he seemed like he could plausibly die? Like genuinely what do you want out of my role literally no one gave me input on it so I gave it to a v read
Taff is just.never v here idc if she flips wolf I'm a fucking legend but frankly I expect a 3p flip like I don't believe for a second taff just *holsters* on n2 no way like idk ignore all the other bs taff isn't posting villagery, unlike almost everyone in the game, and the claim is straight up nonsense. From the shit d2, to n2, then there just being a whole airball and pushing me on d3 like I GENUINLY don't know what you want from me stett she's not a fucking villager let's just kill her
Like oh who are the wolves
Nl had me at sod, I accepted my read was dog and lissa isnjust a wolf and waza must therefore be a villager but she comes out SWINGING with these posts fltoday
Like
From her pov I TOTALLY understand the me/waza read it actually makes total logical sense especially the like stuff about how I treat villagers jn mashes and it sucks because the read makes sense and her posts are villahery and I just don't know what to think anymore!
I still trust nl. He had a couple posts to me that like if he's a wolf I never see him fake that exasperation like idk I genuinely feel bad that he finds me so annoying this game it sucks.
And benneh powerwolfed arctic out of the game, that happened I don't understand the revisionist history bs getting thrown around wrt what happened on d2. And it HAPPENED but he probably isn't even a wolf! He idk it makes sense for him to see that, bite into it, maul arcticnto death, and just have to deal with the consequences and like idk his povnon rask + his handling of eod1 is SO unpairing like idk I don't get *why* you fake that on a 0 poster who is obviously 2 minutes away from getting subbed outnjust fucjing kill me or ladd like what thatbwas the only conflicted wagon right? Like everyone else has ripped v. So he's just a villager dude.
Fuck I don't know like who ARE the wolves stett I'm reading and rereading and doing my best but I'm just not that good anymore and in a lobby with players like this idk just being able to call people v and be correct sometimes isn't good enough
05-15-2025, 05:28
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Idk dude
I'm not trolling
05-15-2025, 06:21
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
@didistetter can you tldr the wolfcase you wanted to make on me d1
05-15-2025, 06:36
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Bro wtf do you mean why is giving dya an invention trolling they're probably just village do you want me to give it.to nl when he seemed like he could plausibly die? Like genuinely what do you want out of my role literally no one gave me input on it so I gave it to a v read
Taff is just.never v here idc if she flips wolf I'm a fucking legend but frankly I expect a 3p flip like I don't believe for a second taff just *holsters* on n2 no way like idk ignore all the other bs taff isn't posting villagery, unlike almost everyone in the game, and the claim is straight up nonsense. From the shit d2, to n2, then there just being a whole airball and pushing me on d3 like I GENUINLY don't know what you want from me stett she's not a fucking villager let's just kill her
Like oh who are the wolves
Nl had me at sod, I accepted my read was dog and lissa isnjust a wolf and waza must therefore be a villager but she comes out SWINGING with these posts fltoday
Like
From her pov I TOTALLY understand the me/waza read it actually makes total logical sense especially the like stuff about how I treat villagers jn mashes and it sucks because the read makes sense and her posts are villahery and I just don't know what to think anymore!
I still trust nl. He had a couple posts to me that like if he's a wolf I never see him fake that exasperation like idk I genuinely feel bad that he finds me so annoying this game it sucks.
And benneh powerwolfed arctic out of the game, that happened I don't understand the revisionist history bs getting thrown around wrt what happened on d2. And it HAPPENED but he probably isn't even a wolf! He idk it makes sense for him to see that, bite into it, maul arcticnto death, and just have to deal with the consequences and like idk his povnon rask + his handling of eod1 is SO unpairing like idk I don't get *why* you fake that on a 0 poster who is obviously 2 minutes away from getting subbed outnjust fucjing kill me or ladd like what thatbwas the only conflicted wagon right? Like everyone else has ripped v. So he's just a villager dude.
Fuck I don't know like who ARE the wolves stett I'm reading and rereading and doing my best but I'm just not that good anymore and in a lobby with players like this idk just being able to call people v and be correct sometimes isn't good enough
Tbf u didn’t ask for input and when I suggested we leash you on d2 you were against the idea
Oddly enough to your credit I think the continual tunnel on taffy might be slightly villagery because it’s like beating a dead horse in the shape that a villa might be more likely to do so esp since it keeps making people scumread you more for it.
Idk I think it’s reasonable for town!maple to be wary of taffy’s claim, like its strange that redirector which is a pretty weak role was broken up into two roles with an odd version and an even version, whereas inventor and arson being able to act every night, doesn’t really make sense for all of them to be town but eh maybe I’m missing stuff that can help possibly justify that
05-15-2025, 07:08
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
nah fuck it
vote: taffy
i really cannot comprehend why you keep putting so much of your focus here
05-15-2025, 07:13
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
;-;
lissa post good waza post weird maple feels borderline trolling for giving dya an invention and continuing to tunnel taffy
vote: maple
maple who tf is taffy's partner and wtf would setup be
dya seems like a pretty reasonable target tbh. i feel like i'd target dya with something like that here maybe?
the taffy stuff is pretty ridiculous though
honestly i kinda wonder if maple like
is doing this as a wolf b/c the wolfteam has a real neutral read or even possibly some sort of mechanical info pointing to it being the case on taffy lol
cause otherwise it seems like such a weird tack to take
05-15-2025, 07:17
Lissa
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Tbf u didn’t ask for input and when I suggested we leash you on d2 you were against the idea
Oddly enough to your credit I think the continual tunnel on taffy might be slightly villagery because it’s like beating a dead horse in the shape that a villa might be more likely to do so esp since it keeps making people scumread you more for it.
Idk I think it’s reasonable for town!maple to be wary of taffy’s claim, like its strange that redirector which is a pretty weak role was broken up into two roles with an odd version and an even version, whereas inventor and arson being able to act every night, doesn’t really make sense for all of them to be town but eh maybe I’m missing stuff that can help possibly justify that
i mean i do think taffy has pretty real neutral equity lol
05-15-2025, 09:37
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Vote: Lissa
I tried to strap a bomb to her last night but failed
I haven't read yet but what I want to do today is make a case on why I think Stett could be a wolf and then all you diehard Stett-town-readers can tell me why it's wrong
I'm really sore that Ladd made zero attempt to help me find Dyachei
Taffy (1)
05-15-2025, 09:39
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Vote: Lissa
I tried to strap a bomb to her last night but failed
I haven't read yet but what I want to do today is make a case on why I think Stett could be a wolf and then all you diehard Stett-town-readers can tell me why it's wrong
I'm really sore that Ladd made zero attempt to help me find Dyachei
Taffy (1)
I will also not really be here until... tonight (rl) bc I'm having a busy day
Taffy (2)
05-15-2025, 10:28
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Vote: Lissa
I tried to strap a bomb to her last night but failed
I haven't read yet but what I want to do today is make a case on why I think Stett could be a wolf and then all you diehard Stett-town-readers can tell me why it's wrong
I'm really sore that Ladd made zero attempt to help me find Dyachei
Wdym you tried and failed? How are you aware that it failed? Is that part of ur role? Ngl I haven’t event read ur claim yet lmao or most of the claims I was just going off what people said in thread so if the answer is already in ur original claim then it’s okay I’ll probs figure it out eventually
05-15-2025, 11:23
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
@didistetter can you tldr the wolfcase you wanted to make on me d1
uh, no lol
you told me not to so i didn't, that was 10 days ago
Wdym you tried and failed? How are you aware that it failed? Is that part of ur role? Ngl I haven’t event read ur claim yet lmao or most of the claims I was just going off what people said in thread so if the answer is already in ur original claim then it’s okay I’ll probs figure it out eventually
I jailkept lissa last night so fyi this means that maple's inventions do work i think?
05-15-2025, 11:24
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
I jailkept lissa last night so fyi this means that maple's inventions do work i think?
could still be a disloyal scenario, but if taffy legit got feedback it failed that means my jail was successful
05-15-2025, 11:31
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Gemma
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Lissa will keep surviving and killing town if she has int’ing villas to powerwolf for her, if you take away the int’ers you take away her power
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Originally Posted by waza
We lose these games because people struggle to work as a team
No idea how people kept circling around me and ladd today when the only confirmed villas (sunbae Arctic Annika) all had us as top town
And when I dare to prevent Stett from jailkeeping the obvious town pr I get voted lol
But yeah taffy ignite lissa or Stett
If you get jail kept then just vote out Stett tomorrow
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Originally Posted by Visor
to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange
but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care
i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team
Vote: lissa
I've just came to taht conclusion after seeing the flip and the wagons. Also, I believe ladd had at least one good wolf read. Lissa just makes sense as a wolf here. It's not my read, but I think it makes sense.
Dya makes a certain amount of sense too.
Vote: lissa
05-15-2025, 14:49
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Sorry, I forgot to clean my multiquote. I put these waza posts in there yesterday, while reading the eod. I think I found them wolfy, but I actually seems them as towny now and bringing up stett was interesting and I guess they would make some sense as w/w with lissa.
I think the salt in the first post is towny.
05-15-2025, 14:50
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment
Yeah, that's the same point. I agree.
05-15-2025, 15:05
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
like he NEVER F'ING ACKNOWLEDGES the ACTUAL reason arctic was the core focus in the way he was, the reason he was "outed", he talks about literally everything else except for kind of acknowledging benneh for it way late and weirdly
I knew about Benneh's post. Idk how to explain my activity there. It was something I took into account. It's why I was sitting on Arctic (mostly). It was my reason for talking about arctic and their claim a lot. I probably would move my vote and my focus more otherwise, because there were moments I found villa (esp. from "an outed wolf") like the level of activity and them trying to leave legacy.
05-15-2025, 15:07
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Lissa
i'm increasingly kinda thinking you are maybe just a villager and we just think about certain things extremely differently tbh
This might be an actual case of lissa trying to pocket waza tbh.
Btw I like waza's lizza/stett comments.
05-15-2025, 15:19
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.
Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot
05-15-2025, 15:26
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by dyachei
Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.
Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot
If you follow my posts, you know I change my takes a lot. On d3 I went from townreading you to scumleaning you to townreading you again. I admit I struggle a little bit trusting my own reads at this point.
Also, my main take yesterday that there's at least one wolf in you/waza/visor/ladd seems to be wrong without you being a wolf. I'm willing to accept that but I feel like I need to see more from you today than questioning people for not finding you.
05-15-2025, 15:38
dyachei
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by pzelda
If you follow my posts, you know I change my takes a lot. On d3 I went from townreading you to scumleaning you to townreading you again. I admit I struggle a little bit trusting my own reads at this point.
Also, my main take yesterday that there's at least one wolf in you/waza/visor/ladd seems to be wrong without you being a wolf. I'm willing to accept that but I feel like I need to see more from you today than questioning people for not finding you.
I did a lot more than that yesterday and it didn't seem to register with you so please excuse my skepticism there.
05-15-2025, 15:49
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I agree with some other players on one wolf in Benneh/Lissa. It just makes sense at this point with the way the thread felt for the last two days. Btw I think the post cap makes it a little bit harder to read Benneh. But I think he should be town for multiple reasons. When he's active the thread s moving forward. When he's out of posts it becomes stale. I think Visor and waza are the players who have been trying to move the thread the most in Benneh's absence.
I don't usually read too much into nks, but I wonder what's the game here. Ladd wasn't super active and his reads were quite consensus. Annika wasn't universally townread. At the end of d2 I actually started suspecting them..but I also don't think these are random or heroic nks. One or both of the wolves probably had reasons to kill them over other players.
Also, I think Maple can be town. I had this opinion before and I'm kind of sticking to it now. I don't want to vote him myself today. I think his Taffy case holds some water. Taffy def is the player with the lowest effort to solve the game.
Now, lets talk about the jk on Lissa. It is real. All three of Stett, Lissa and Taffy can't be mafia. It means there was another player carrying the nk. It couldn't be Lissa. Stett targeting Lissa and killing Ladd makes certain amount of sense. Lissa getting a message that they were jailkept and Taffy actually dousing someone else seems like stretching, but it's a possibility. Lissa and someone else being the pack makes sense. Lissa being village and Taffy being a wolf makes sense. Both lissa and taffy being villagers is possible.
For now it makes sense to vote lissa and tbh finding her isn't my #1 priority today. I found her before in this game and I agree with Manti on her. I also think that her activity makes perfect sense from a wolf pov.
My priority should be interacting more directly with other players. Esp. Manti and Taffy, maybe Stett and Dya, if they're around. Trying to solve certain players together with Benneh, Visor or waza could be helpful too.
05-15-2025, 15:54
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
lissa being the alleged target is disheartening for reasons beyond it failing.
05-15-2025, 15:58
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by dyachei
I did a lot more than that yesterday and it didn't seem to register with you so please excuse my skepticism there.
It's possible some of your activity slipped my mind. What exactly do you mean by doing a lot more yesterday? I know you posted different posts and takes.
Perhaps I expressed myself wrongly. I meant finding towniness in your today's activity. I think you so far doubted me and benneh for dropping you in their reads. I admit I didn't notice you reacting to visor for pairing you with Lissa, so maybe you only react to drops in reads you find sus.
05-15-2025, 16:05
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I'm still not 100% over that one Visor/dya interaction from d1. I should dig it up.
Other than that I kind of like waza introducing stett in the mix and yet I dislike lissa introducing me. Maybe it's because of the form. I think it's time to consider both of us tbh. I don't know if I personally want to consider stett worlds today.
05-15-2025, 16:10
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Visor
Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic
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Originally Posted by dyachei
annika prob v i think. Stett def v. idk on taffy and I suck at reading arctic so I try not to
I do think his reads list is at odds with a lot of the thread though
This one. It felt weird Visor asking dya that in such a shortform and she responded in kind of a similar laid back way.
05-15-2025, 16:12
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Lissa isn't trying to solve the game she is just trying to find people to kill
