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Nah I’m not even bothering but Yolo knows this is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
I’m pretty certain there aren’t any games where I’ve bussed a wolf wagon that went over when they weren’t outed. The closest thing would be this game in 2019 where I buried Abraxas after he claimed arsonist lmao. (Yolo was in that game)
im reading baudibs ISO. I find it weird that he like...avoids voting the wolves a lot. I mostly think his posting is fine. But when looking at who to elim, he'll say wolf names but he doesn't keep a vote on them very often. See: his treatment of ender. he agreed with me about ender being preoccupied with being linked to zelda. But then finds a single post and says it's villagery and votes elsewhere.
I probably still vote yolo before baudib, but if game doesnt end with ender/yolo elims, then i think baudib is a decent candidate
Although it?s true I have never really FPSed this way as a VT and have never fake CC as a villager, so lunch all liars etc. But if you think it makes sense for me to CC as a wolf there I don?t know what to tell you.
Lord knows every time I think this game is gonna be easy we get Logic/HK flipping town and I tear my hair out. But I’m pretty confident Ender/Yolo just ends the game.
does someone have a living player list handy?
Baudib1
Dyachei
EnderWiggin
Ephemeral
Ladd
Syn
Visor
Yoloswag
Ladd
ephem
Visor
syn
baudib
yolo
in that order from v to w
What’s your criteria for this? In what universe do I fake claim CC as a wolf under no pressure?Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
ladd and ephem are lock clearQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
visor is never a wolf. I think wolf interactions make syn almost never a wolf.
you could have faked a claim as a wolf because it looks villagery but I still think you're more likely a villager. I do not like how you avoided voting wolves, though
yolo had some really bad moments with decent posting
VAST TONAL GAP thoQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
If me you and Syn are in F3 you’re going to have to consider that I just had doubts, there’s ladd and Rask telling me they think Ender was a villager and it felt dangerous to let a good wolf like SK get away when he’s pushing me/Visor.
i mean...i feel like you missed the part where I have said multiple times that I still think you're more likely to be a villager than not. so i'm already considering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
you're getting awfully defensive here though
I haven’t missed that, that’s why I’m surprised you’d have me below Syn. I mean I’ve basically been on the same page with you and Sun on Ender since D2. You think my interactions with Ender can be W/W?Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
yes. I doQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
but when i look at syn and ender, syn is spending a lot of time on trying to get people to vote ender. I also see a lot of time from ender spent trying to discredit syn and his cases and OMGUSing. THat looks less aligned to me than your interactions
Ok. I don’t think Ender actually ever voted Syn.
I still think this isn’t going to matter, but I wan to go over this will you while you’re here.
ok but look at their interactionsQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I think my call out on Ender for trying to stoke paranoia about the NKs implicating towncore without doing the work for casing anyone in the towncore was pretty good. Yolo has also been talking about the NKs a lot in odd ways.
Well I think Ender’s case on Syn was fairly loltastic and I even hard-trolled him about it and didn’t even bother to take Syn seriously as a wolf candidate. I’m just kinda taken aback that anyone could see me partnered with Ender.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I think Syn and I were equally effective at burying Ender’s NK talk.
I guess the oddest thing about Syn is them thinking HK was a villager when no one besides Ender had really thought that, if there was ever a real explanation of that I don?t remember it.
This is Ender responding to me saying I have a problem with his game.
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
This is me just not taking his complaints seriously. I just really couldn?t help but act snarky about it, like he made a case on Rask being a villager? No one besides Yolo actually responded to his case on Sun but he didn?t complain about it to anyone else.
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Originally Posted by baudib1
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Originally Posted by baudib1
I also just think Syn is an extremely likely villager and we win Ender > Yolo almost all the time.
you opened the day sussing ladd and me and very specifically not enderQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
it was TMIQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
also, there's a difference between being wolfy and posting badlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
HK was posting badly, but he wasn't wolfy
Not really, just wanted to talk about it. There’s no world I vote either of you before Ender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Just stating the obvious mostly for my own reference,
Ender is obviously the PR shooter and performed the NK on Noraplus
Ender also performs the kill on Rask so it makes sense for Yolo to ask to be checked
I don’t see a world where Wnder holsters the PR shot 3 nights especially after a claim and CC, so at most there’s 1 shot. The part of my claim that I really derped is that if we lynch a wolf the MD is powerless.
But they know HK is town so pushing for Yolo to get checked makes sense, and buys him a day possibly.
You were the only person who thought that though. The whole D3 convo was about how HK/Ender were basically in lockstep with their play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
RIP to everyone else but I'm built differentQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
One issue is that Yolo knows my wolfing mentality better than anyone and he?s not going to say how much I hate bussing. The game Yolo and I were w/w, I had been calling BATMan my top villager all game and I outed myself to him when he wanted to start a Yolo wagon and I refused to consider him.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
The other issue is if there was ever a wolf to bus, it was PZelda and I didn?t bother to pile on because I was looking for other wolves. Think everyone had the mindset of Logic is a wolf but let?s lunch Zelda first (think that was Rask who literally said that). I didn?t care about getting credit for Zelda or helping him go over, I just didn?t want to waste the day. I was just a villager chilling thinking we had likely W/W wagons, and clearly I wanted Zelda to go first but selfishly I wanted credit for burying Logic.
I also pretty clearly said I didn?t want to default lunch HK and never moved off Ender yesterday - I assumed he was the lunch. So Dya is saying I didn?t really vote for wolves and Yolo is implying that I bussed, and the truth is actually in the middle.
So like the wolves did bus and Yolo has to take the ?everyone who voted a wolf is suspect? and trying to pull NL into the pool is wolfy. we?ve all said we?re not going to consider NL. Yolk?s just the wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
@ladd
This is where I’ll ask you to give the non-lazy case on me since you won’t be here tomorrow. I know you’re busy so sorry and all, just trying to cover all bases because it seems like I lose an F3.
Iight I'm here for the evening
swag
I'm saying that whoever the last wolf is bussedQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I'm not saying it's you specifically, I have to comb things over
The problem is that if you're a villager, then gamestate is very bad cuz last wolf is in nl/Syn/dya who have all been hard townread throughout the game and look good via spew per lvl 1 logic
So ya idk. I'ma read back over some things and try to get my bearings
Off the top of my head the thing with baudi being a wolf is I'm not sure he goes so hard doing extra shit that he doesn't need to if he's wolfing
contrast this with other uncleared players who have been more "I'ma tunnel/push X for most of the phase," baudi has poked in a lot of places outside of the generally established POE in a way that has me considering a world where he's an open-minded villager and last wolf is the following:
If I rolled wolf in this game I would bus pzelda/ender and call it a day, so let's see if that's a possibility as I make my way thru again
lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
This game was good times D1
Yolo now you're kinda being like Ender when he was talking about the NKs and the "towncore" being corrupt without saying who he thought it was. You're talking about this being a bussing game while lumping me in with the bussers when A. I don't bus and b. arguably I didn't bus.
like good luck on making a case on NL.
If Dya's a wolf I'll let them win tbh.
Yolo if you're a villager, pretty clearly you have to solve between me and Syn.
If you're going to try to case NL I'll treat that as a lolcat.
@ underlinedQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Yeah, I'm rereading now to try and iron out who that is
I get you are strong on dya/nl being town, let me see what I think after a reread, no harm in doing due diligence and I've already found a couple posts I think are good for Visor anyway
baudib and yolo, what did you think of pzeldas entrance in real time (as it happened back then)
im reading back through d1, and its only me and rask who have anything to say really on the entrance at the time it happened, and both of you are posting in a similar timeframe around those posts
I was still trying to process the microtells I had on Syn and then HK hard-declaring Syn as a villager and that he'd offer himself up for lynch if Syn ever flipped red. Then just like, Zelda's entrance was too weird for me to handle at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
yolo comes up with the pzelda was my secret wolfread after ladd votes him which is something lol
that ender 'suspiciously timed' read was brazen as fuck lol, i admire it, even if it was.... terrible lol
after the whole ender rigmarole, syn pops in to wolf read him a touch (of note that he does mention earlier that a pzelda read is fake, but then also calls raskols read on pzelda a soul read and calls it bad)
hard to parse where to sit with syn on that
this is prob the worst dya post d1? if only because it says nothing/no commitment to a read reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
sure, it's probably my worst post all game. but like. I had the opportunity to bus pzelda there and didntQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
did you even mention pzelda prior to this?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
obv you wouldve prob watched the thread prior so having a read there or sponging ppl rasonable, this isn't like a gotcha or anything, just trying to figure out where you were at
good reads list anyway cuz u stole it lol
here?s a fun sequence from early in the game, this is probably Yolo?s first serious post. Then Ender?s reaction, mine and Zelda?s.
I called out Yolo for this post not having a cromulent amount of swag. Zelda and Ender liked it for various reasons.
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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
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Originally Posted by baudib1
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Originally Posted by pzelda
i mean thats true, you had the opportunity to commit there and either you didn't and its villagery, or you didn't cause you didn't want wolf bros to get more heatQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
im just trying to figure out where everyone was at where the pzelda/ender stuff went down because that was the big paradigm shift of this game
The werewolf equivalent of an NPC scripting generic wolf posts lulQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Hard to say anything beyond that, just felt...lifeless
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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
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Originally Posted by baudib1
I did not steal it. But I was influenced by what was going on of course. I wasn’t really sure how serious Rask was about yeeting Zelda, but I thought his posts were pretty weird and the people giving random TRs to Syn/HK was really bizarre. I was also into engaging with Wisdom atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
probably check my d2 onwardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I was trying to give ender a chance because I often find him wolfy. I shouldnt have but I course corrected d2
I came into this reread expecting to wolfread Syn but a lot of his posts/takes seem reasonable in realtime
sigh
Pretty funny that Ender says Yolo stole his reads list and Visor said I stole his lmao.
this is not as useful as id hoped itd be lol
I don't follow the implication hereQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Those are buttering up a villager posts, this post too:
classic name all villagers for your reads wolf-postQuote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Yolo is never winning here, and I don't expect he'd give up but it's cool he's putting in some effort.
I'm concerned about F3e because it would surely be me/Syn/Dya.
Take a look at it from my POV, my +EV kills are Ephemeral over Ladd, although I guess that's pretty debatable, but surely Dya over Visor. You don't have to believe me but I would have definitely killed Dya n1, also.
Yolo, the point is that your post was stilted and felt forced. There was nothing to like about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
nahQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
That post was a fine piece of art
In context it's one of the more complete "I'm laying out all my reads with justification" early posts in the game
idk why you'd be concerned about this kind of F3Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
because i think you're more v than he isQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
for now
the more baudib gets concerned about that f3, the more i think he's ender's remaining partner
yolo where are you at rn on reads?
can you give an ordered reads list?
do you have one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I'm starting to lose focus and might just finish this reread tomorrow, I'm halfway through the game and if I force myself to keep going I'm hitting the point where my eyes begin to glaze over, dumping these notes as is
baudib1
Really engaged throughout the whole game. There is a part early in the game where he votes HK, then comes back to the thread an hour later and votes Syn saying "changed my mind." This does not sound convincing in text but in context, felt like a villager who threw out a vote, thought more about how another player could be a wolf, then came back to vote the other player. Little beats like that ring more to me as a villager, it's the thoughtfulness behind the action and wanting to impact the gamestate with his follow-through
Has a post asking pzelda to vote logic, idfkQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Problem with baudi is that I feel he overextends on some of his susses/statements but I'm not sure if wolfy or just bored villa trying to make things happen, leaning v
ender
Came into the game voting HK and townreading me, baudib and Rask. I sometimes see wolves make these kinds of entrances on all villas. Posted this in response to Rask:
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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
IDK what this means but quoting for contemplations' sake later on anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Has a full on case here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053841164
Ephemeral
Wolfy AF
Visor
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Inclined to believe Visor's tone toward Ender here -- the conviction behind the push and the "bronana what are you doing" air to it feels real, also thinking Ender has a scrambling energy behind these posts that don't read partnered
This last post of "I don't even disagree with you that I think hk is wolfy" reads pure, can't put into words why but feels towny
Syn
A lot of their posts look good in context/real-time, he posted this after ender's wild 180 on capage:
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Originally Posted by Syn
Had an early game sus of dyachei, notating this cuz he was the only one to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
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Originally Posted by Sunbae
I don't know if he makes this post as a broQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Lots of Syn posts feel alright in realtime, dang. SOD2 opener:
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Originally Posted by Syn
hmQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
dyachei
Had some reasonable posts D1, don't have much to say they're just fine
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Originally Posted by dyachei
I don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I've V read Syn/dya/baudi pretty comfortably throughout the game, I've had you as null but admit the spew looks favorable
I'm at the point of the game where more ender sus starts flying around including Syn's longform push on him, I'll have to see if that brings anything to mind tomorrow but ngl last wolf feels like a crapshoot atm
VOTE TALLY
enderwiggin 1 Syn
MAJ is in effect and is 5
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/11/23
that's the only situation where we lose. All other universes are a win. So I want feedback from the living players now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
In the worlds where Yolo is a villager, wolves have 0 PR shots
Ender lunch
Ladd nk
5-1
Yolo (mis)lunch
Ephemeral nk
3-1 with Visor, Baud, Dya, Syn
sleep
Visor nk
2-1
Baud, Dya, Syn
In the worlds where Yolo is a villager, wolves have 1 PR shot
Ender lunch
Ladd nk
Ephemeral kill
4-1
Yolo (mis)lunch
Visor nk
2-1
Baud, Dya, Syn
Yolo are there others cases where Zelda/Ender are buttering up a villager? Because I don't see any off a power skim.
ender spent time trying to pocket HK, I don?t remember what he was doing towards whom outside of that
Beyond that, pzelda made like 10 posts and got bodied, he didn?t have a chance to really wolf beyond his entrance
ender came in with V reads of you, me and some other dude I?m forgetting ? he was V reading me before that post you pointed out
They just saw an expressive villager and did the ?force an early V read on a villager? thing
Zelda doesn't seem to like anyone else's reads though.
Well whoever the wolf is, good for you but it's like, I clearly outposted and outworked them the past few days.
If it's Yolo I called him out every day to do more and he tried to derail my push on Ender. Due diligence is fine and all but if you're a villager you don't seem to have much conviction on who you think the last wolf is, and ISOing Dya/Visor seems like busy work.
If it's Syn, I called him out for his first two posts and his game is generally been pretty coasty. You see a similar style in plenty of games where wolves hellbus a partner and then just live off that cred for days. And they're doing approximately nothing today.
I have pretty much laid out the case on myself and those will be the same arguments I make later in the game. No one seems to really have a reaction to my posts today, but I feel pretty confident that whoever the last villager(s) alive with me should be able to get there.
Just popping in to say ill be around and read what i can in 8ish hours
i am thrivingQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
there's nothing for me to doQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I don't care about any of these conversations
ngl it's kind of funny that ever since I said "this is in my wolf range" that it's become the primary case against me (re: hellbussing a partner all game and riding off that cred)
I should have listened to you, syn of the pastQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
OH THAT REMINDS ME
genius, I tell youQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
besides patting myself on the back, the above is meant to indicate that I can't really have been "living off the cred" of a hellbus when for the majority of the game I was dismissed as a blind tunneller