Rampage Out of Space

I want to see Dolby takes.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

But yeah, if you start to feel yourself wavering again, ask yourself what has gone wrong with the PoE. Because if it's not LA, what the hell have we missed here?

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Winston/Dolby with HK as the SK.

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

Winston/Dolby with HK as the SK.

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Plausible world. Both have an incredible tone, though. The fact that Winston really wants to change convince that Dolby is the SK is the main paint to that world, but his interactions with HK just feel incredibly Town.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Plausible world. Both have an incredible tone, though. The fact that Winston really wants to change convince that Dolby is the SK is the main paint to that world, but his interactions with HK just feel incredibly Town.

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Yuuup.

Plus LA is just too weird to be Town.

Like, it's really best not even to think of LA's claims too hard, even, because I gave myself a moment of abject terror when I considered how him not seemingly realising that scum didn't have assigned roles could be a sign that points to being the SK.

Actually, fuck it, I'm in abject terror mode again now.

Now I kinda wanna lynch Dolby, HK or Winston. Christ.

And before I act on this impulse, I'm heading straight back to bed.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

@Csargo

If you could read and figure out if there's a world where hk/dolby is the scum team, that would be most helpful.

I was going to do it, but then shitposting and beer happened.

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I don't remember anything that would make it impossible, but I'll keep it in mind when I'm rereading the thread tomorrow.

@Csargo, assuming for a moment that my read on Vro is correct, who is the liar between HK and Winston here, for you? HK's arguments seem much more rational, which is pretty much what I expect from him as either alignment, really, although I've never seen him Wolf. But Winston's just feel purer. I am also incredibly paranoid about HK's weird push, because that felt to me like he was pushing a motive onto my words and actions that I didn't have, and reading back on the discussion, don't see how someone could reasonably have come to the conclusions he came to, either.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

you have two bad posts today. The first bad post is the one where you tell everyone to take what I'm saying with a massive dose of salt.
I said yesterday when people started floating theories that I'm bad (mafia or SK didn't matter) that yesterday was 100% the right day to chop me.
YOU yourself said "no HK, you are town and you are stuck here" and with extremely little analysis or thought you shift that read 180 degrees into "HK isn't blindly trusting me therefore he is a bad guy".

That's not how town should play lylo here. If anything you, as town, should be thankful that I'm taking my time and talking through possibilities and how I'm reading the thread so that we can all get on the same page, right?

Just because I'm saying of the semi-clears you could still be a wolf doesn't mean I'm wolfing here, it means I'm trying to ensure that the people we have as "cleared" are actually cleared.

Your second bad post is where you recap where every one wants to kill. Dolby has put me on his list of bad guys as well, and has for at least one phase, so for you to say he's not offering me up is wrong.

Finally, your post towards winston, saying "the more you talk the more I'm itching to policy you" stifles discussion, eliminates a voice from your consideration and for what? Nothing that I can see from you points towards Winston being a wolf or the SK here.

Talking about policy, even as a joke, in lylo is something town should never ever do.

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Like, I can square the take here, just showing up to a thread where someone was previously TRing you and is now either SRing or TP-ing you (Third-party-ing, I will die on this hill I've just created) might be a convincing reason for a response like this - if it didn't ignore literally my first post of the day where I specifically pointed out my PoE was now Dolby/Borg/HK due to the Csargo = Town result, Vro being derped and Winston already having a scan on him, and that one of these was the people in my PoE SK, and I believed it to be HK. I explained my progression in the very first post of the round. So this felt like it was pushing an agenda.

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Originally Posted by Dolby

If no one else counterclaims it it's confirmed

since no way he was with IK

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Dolby, posts like these really make me wanna not-murder you. Where am I wrong in my PoE?

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

with every post about teams today you're widening the potential poe and you're apparently living in a world now where I'm never town, even after yesterday you saying "hk you are town and you're not dying today".

What changed, why, and where's your work showing it?

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And the context HK is ignoring here is that I was asking Dolby where I was wrong about my PoE if he was in fact inno, and then offered up a Winston/Borg team which I found to be faulty, and replaced Borg with HK, and this happened when Winston was saying some shit that made me really paranoid about him. So that's my progression right there. The "what changed, why, where's your work" thing thus again just comes off as a really desperate push hoping something sticks.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Okay, so one thing that is a bit awkward which I'm not seeing you address here yet: why the hell would I openly acknowledge that I paired up with Zelda and helped him scan Csargo? Because that makes Csargo a 100% scan, and the last thing I want as a Wolf is any confirmed townies at LYLO.

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This is the post where I think he realised pushing me was a fool's errand, and for someone who is usually very logically precise, the fact that he didn't think about this before pushing his odd lines on me is... weird.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

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And this is the post where he seems to have slipped, looking at it again, honestly. I don't know how on earth he got to "Lau wants to mischop me today" when I said - in a post that HK himself quoted, mind you - that I was not going to murder the SK today, and clearly, explicitly and repeatedly considered him the strongest candidate for SK. This feels like he is a Wolf who saw he was in my PoE, and then went full attack mode to try and remove the threat. Because if the shoe fits...

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

that's a decent point. the answer would be who's listening to csargo?
but sure, lets go back to the world at the beginning of the day
csargo is clear
you clear vro
pzelda clears you

that means 3 bad guys in {hk, dolby, winston, borg} right?
one of those will be town, one will be SK, the other two will be wolf.
All we have to do then is hit the 50/50 on the wolf, right?

For me the best shot there is dolby.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.

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Notice how quickly he steps off in both these posts here, when it's clear I wasn't going to get cowed.

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

@Vroendal, I am having a massive case of the paranoia and I need your reassurance.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

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Well one of Dolby and me is the SK, that I can garuntee.

There's a meme for this:

https://youtu.be/x0Ictpv18H8

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Originally Posted by BorgPicard

Well one of Dolby and me is the SK, that I can garuntee.

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And you know this because...?

Good news, Vro, given your town lean on Panda, I have come to the conclusion that you are definitely not the SK. :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

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https://i.imgur.com/rdkWcKT.gif

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

And you know this because...?

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Well I scanned one of them and they turned up sk

Turns out that, for various reasons, I'm not as available as much as I thought today.

I'll check in occasionally to answer any questions or change my vote as needed, but I'm still looking at an absolute cut-off of an hour before eod.

We can't risk splitting the town vote, so I'll go wherever Csargo leads.

For what it's worth, I think borg is scum, and all he's been doing since the tracker claim fell flat is enjoying himself while trying to push paranoia that he's really the sk.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

https://i.imgur.com/rdkWcKT.gif

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Well, your life kinda hangs in the balance here, so help me look for scum!Vro worlds?

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

@Vroendal, I am having a massive case of the paranoia and I need your reassurance.

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Well, you need to be paranoid about everyone at some point. I've never seen a wolf team that didn't communicate strongly about the night kill, there's two wolves left, lack of communication would be very counter-productive and I would have recognized that. Lewwyn might have been killed for being more unlynchable actually, sure, but I sincerely doubt the wolves weren't thinking about the pzelda connection at all. Defending myself from hypothetical teams I may be on will just end up at WIFOM with you, but I can assure you that I'm really not teamed with anyone.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Well, your life kinda hangs in the balance here, so help me look for scum!Vro worlds?

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It really doesn't though. Unless you're saying I'm the most likely wolf here?

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

...and my desire not to have Vro die as one of the few people who I can read fairly well here, and indeed, am presently town-reading for his tendency to WIFOM himself into oblivion and have a very sincere tone as town which I have never seen him replicate as Wolf
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[I]Nothing but sincerity as far as the eye can see[./I]
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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

It really doesn't though. Unless you're saying I'm the most likely wolf here?

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I've honestly kinda started wolf-reading you for the exchanges I outlined above, yeah.

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

[I]Nothing but sincerity as far as the eye can see[./I]
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But where is the WIFOM? We're at LYLO and you have been remarkably not-paranoid.

Ignore that I am technologically inept. I will gladly communicate about anything further if anynone so wishes. I've gotten over my BP paranoia and I'm happy with my vote right now, Lau if you see reason to switch, let's hear it out.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

I've honestly kinda started wolf-reading you for the exchanges I outlined above, yeah.

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ok gl with that lol

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

Ignore that I am technologically inept. I will gladly communicate about anything further if anynone so wishes. I've gotten over my BP paranoia and I'm happy with my vote right now, Lau if you see reason to switch, let's hear it out.

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No, you have a point there, I can find few posts now that make should make me doubt you, but notice how Dolby is also very much in my PoE, despite not having a lot of great reasons to SR. I fully believe you would be that good, especially with Dolby helping you out.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

But where is the WIFOM? We're at LYLO and you have been remarkably not-paranoid.

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I feel like the wolves are boxed in a little too well, I've had my moments, but Winston's tone and better odds of being town is really doing it for me right now. The only thing I'm paranoid about is whether BP's the SK, I"m considering that but I want to hear Dolby's take on BP's allegation against him. BP as town doesn't work because if Dolby's the SK, that leaves Winston paired with HK, which I'm not accepting as a possible world-view right now. If BP's the wolf, he'll be lying about Dolby, if BP's the SK, well, I'm not sure which is why I want to hear from Dolby.

This is why I wanted to hammer this LYLO out quickly. This is probably just my paranoia doing me in. I will get over it somehow.

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

I feel like the wolves are boxed in a little too well, I've had my moments, but Winston's tone and better odds of being town is really doing it for me right now. The only thing I'm paranoid about is whether BP's the SK, I"m considering that but I want to hear Dolby's take on BP's allegation against him. BP as town doesn't work because if Dolby's the SK, that leaves Winston paired with HK, which I'm not accepting as a possible world-view right now. If BP's the wolf, he'll be lying about Dolby, if BP's the SK, well, I'm not sure which is why I want to hear from Dolby.

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Welcome back to my town core. Now what's your opinion of HK?

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Welcome back to my town core. Now what's your opinion of HK?

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Thank you. HK came out of the bout with Winston looking worse to me, but still as the SK. The thunderdome idea in particular felt bad to me, both from the perspective that he would probably lose it and because that is actually how I lost my most recent game, I had a target pointed on a wolf's back but the town decided to go through with a thunderdome between two separate players, which town lost. If he's the SK he's forcing his PoE onto the thread in the sincere hopes of catching a wolf, and his antagonistic interactions with Winston is probably giving him a bias, if he's a wolf, I actually don't know what his goal would be there. It's weird.

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

Thank you. HK came out of the bout with Winston looking worse to me, but still as the SK. The thunderdome idea in particular felt bad to me, both from the perspective that he would probably lose it and because that is actually how I lost my most recent game, I had a target pointed on a wolf's back but the town decided to go through with a thunderdome between two separate players, which town lost. If he's the SK he's forcing his PoE onto the thread in the sincere hopes of catching a wolf, and his antagonistic interactions with Winston is probably giving him a bias, if he's a wolf, I actually don't know what his goal would be there. It's weird.

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And what do you make of my analysis of the situation starting here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053822854

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

Thank you. HK came out of the bout with Winston looking worse to me, but still as the SK. The thunderdome idea in particular felt bad to me, both from the perspective that he would probably lose it and because that is actually how I lost my most recent game, I had a target pointed on a wolf's back but the town decided to go through with a thunderdome between two separate players, which town lost. If he's the SK he's forcing his PoE onto the thread in the sincere hopes of catching a wolf, and his antagonistic interactions with Winston is probably giving him a bias, if he's a wolf, I actually don't know what his goal would be there. It's weird.

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occams razor says town btw :)

Ok, if I'm SK here why do I try to dome anyone today? Everyone and their mother has been saying we need to find and chop a wolf today, not the SK. If we don't chop a wolf town loses the game. This is a fact.
So if I'm SK the play is "continue to be townie". I can't win as SK today, I can only lose.

The real question is: what does wolf HK stand to gain from playing like he has today, right? I don't express suspicion of Laurentus, I just kill him at night. I allow the vro clear to stand b/c it doesn't hurt me. Dolby thinks I'm SK and isn't hunting me today, Winston probably doesn't hunt me today either. I let town do whatever it is they want to do by virtue of just staying out of the way.
Instead I sus everyone, throw votes around like they're candy at a parade, and generally antagonize literally everyone.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

And what do you make of my analysis of the situation starting here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053822854

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I think he'sthe SK genuinely angling to be seen as town, even though it's futile, in the hopes of getting the best odds of actually winning, or if it ends up 1v1v1 or something like that somehow, trying to figure out if the townie remaining has a bias against/for a certain faction before he reveals. Being seen as the SK doesn't work for him long-term, so he's going all-out pushing players and seeing what sticks, setting up for possible mis-lynches later. Maybe. It's a weird series of posts for sure. If he is scum, how does that work with the PoE? Do you think he would be paired with BP or Dolby?

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

occams razor says town btw :)

Ok, if I'm SK here why do I try to dome anyone today? Everyone and their mother has been saying we need to find and chop a wolf today, not the SK. If we don't chop a wolf town loses the game. This is a fact.
So if I'm SK the play is "continue to be townie". I can't win as SK today, I can only lose.

The real question is: what does wolf HK stand to gain from playing like he has today, right? I don't express suspicion of Laurentus, I just kill him at night. I allow the vro clear to stand b/c it doesn't hurt me. Dolby thinks I'm SK and isn't hunting me today, Winston probably doesn't hunt me today either. I let town do whatever it is they want to do by virtue of just staying out of the way.
Instead I sus everyone, throw votes around like they're candy at a parade, and generally antagonize literally everyone.

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You would try to dome because you know it's futile and that we would be wary of letting that happen because we all think you're the SK, you're testing the waters. I have no idea what the criterion for the SK double-kill was, but I doubt you would only lose.

I'm not sure. I don't have any real knowledge of your meta. Because Csargo is actually cleared you would kill him first over Lau probably, the more suspicion and chaos at the end, the more chance you have. You're rp'ing town here, probably because it's fun for you and I respect that. You feel safe antagonizing because you don't think there's a real chance you're lynched, but sitting by passively won't do much for you later. Being able to affect the thread has benefits for you.

I actually think that what will happen is that we'll lynch a wolf today, but because the SK didn't kill last night he'll have a double-kill tonight (the possible pattern is looking scary), and we'll either end up at 1v1v1 (after two town kills from the SK and 1 separate kill from the remaining wolf), or the SK kills the wolf (2v1) or the wolf kills the SK (2v1). Scary stuff.

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

You would try to dome because you know it's futile and that we would be wary of letting that happen because we all think you're the SK, you're testing the waters. I have no idea what the criterion for the SK double-kill was, but I doubt you would only lose.

I'm not sure. I don't have any real knowledge of your meta. Because Csargo is actually cleared you would kill him first over Lau probably, the more suspicion and chaos at the end, the more chance you have. You're rp'ing town here, probably because it's fun for you and I respect that. You feel safe antagonizing because you don't think there's a real chance you're lynched, but sitting by passively won't do much for you later. Being able to affect the thread has benefits for you.

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except that csargo isn't a threat to me so why kill him? He's not expressed suspicion against me, he's not been super active and taking advantage of his confirmed town status, and frankly he's super low impact right now. Laurentus otoh is an active threat to me so he needs to go. He's also functioning as town leader, so again, needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

I actually think that what will happen is that we'll lynch a wolf today, but because the SK didn't kill last night he'll have a double-kill tonight (the possible pattern is looking scary), and we'll either end up at 1v1v1 (after two town kills from the SK and 1 separate kill from the remaining wolf), or the SK kills the wolf (2v1) or the wolf kills the SK (2v1). Scary stuff.

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oh! who's the wolf we're going to chop today?

does everyone just not give a fuck that Dolby has basically vanished?
Winston at least has been here trying to solve and posting. Laurentus/Vro the same.
Borg is here, solving not so much.
Csargo, for being hard cleared, is missing in action as well.

Seems to me Dolby ought to be the number one chop for the day as if anyone is a wolf sitting back and letting town tear itself apart it's him. Borg guaranteed is not town, I just dunno which flavor.
vote: dolby
Get on board plebs

HOST TALLY 5-2

Borg (3): Vro, Laur, Winston
Winston (1): Borg
Dolby (1): Hollow

Not Voting (2): Dolby, Csargo


Movement

[Hollow] Laur >> Dolby >> Winston >> Dolby
[Laur] Dolby >> Borg

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

does everyone just not give a fuck that Dolby has basically vanished?
Winston at least has been here trying to solve and posting. Laurentus/Vro the same.
Borg is here, solving not so much.
Csargo, for being hard cleared, is missing in action as well.

Seems to me Dolby ought to be the number one chop for the day as if anyone is a wolf sitting back and letting town tear itself apart it's him. Borg guaranteed is not town, I just dunno which flavor.
vote: dolby
Get on board plebs

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Well I would but I am pretending that they are the SK

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

except that csargo isn't a threat to me so why kill him? He's not expressed suspicion against me, he's not been super active and taking advantage of his confirmed town status, and frankly he's super low impact right now. Laurentus otoh is an active threat to me so he needs to go. He's also functioning as town leader, so again, needs to go.

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His very existence is a threat because in a situation with the F4 or F3, he's guaranteed to be town. I don't think the baddies are gonna keep him around. I suspect you'll try a double-kill on Csargo and me, and let the wolves take out Lau, but this is all WIFOM anyway. I don't know what you or the wolves are thinking, I can only speculate.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

oh! who's the wolf we're going to chop today?

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Either BP or Dolby works for me, with a preference for BP because I'm more certain of his guilt (in that he's never town and I think you're the SK). I haven't eliminated BP/Winston yet, my top suspicion is BP/Dolby though. I would rather take what I think is the clearest course.

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Originally Posted by BorgPicard

Well I would but I am pretending that they are the SK

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I acknowledge that BorgPicard has posted

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Originally Posted by Vroendal

His very existence is a threat because in a situation with the F4 or F3, he's guaranteed to be town. I don't think the baddies are gonna keep him around. I suspect you'll try a double-kill on Csargo and me, and let the wolves take out Lau, but this is all WIFOM anyway. I don't know what you or the wolves are thinking, I can only speculate.


Either BP or Dolby works for me, with a preference for BP because I'm more certain of his guilt (in that he's never town and I think you're the SK). I haven't eliminated BP/Winston yet, my top suspicion is BP/Dolby though. I would rather take what I think is the clearest course.

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csargo is always going to be less of a threat to me than laurentus is. Especially with the way the game is currently going.
I mean I'm town so idgaf really what you think I'm going to do in terms of kills.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

does everyone just not give a fuck that Dolby has basically vanished?
Winston at least has been here trying to solve and posting. Laurentus/Vro the same.
Borg is here, solving not so much.
Csargo, for being hard cleared, is missing in action as well.

Seems to me Dolby ought to be the number one chop for the day as if anyone is a wolf sitting back and letting town tear itself apart it's him. Borg guaranteed is not town, I just dunno which flavor.
vote: dolby
Get on board plebs

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Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

@Csargo, assuming for a moment that my read on Vro is correct, who is the liar between HK and Winston here, for you? HK's arguments seem much more rational, which is pretty much what I expect from him as either alignment, really, although I've never seen him Wolf. But Winston's just feel purer. I am also incredibly paranoid about HK's weird push, because that felt to me like he was pushing a motive onto my words and actions that I didn't have, and reading back on the discussion, don't see how someone could reasonably have come to the conclusions he came to, either.

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HK, I need to go back and read through everything posted yesterday, I skimmed through it in a small amount of time last night.

I remember Winston's woof game pretty well, cause he burned me pretty hard in Zack's XCOM game here, it's why I've been townreading him since early in the game. I don't think he's anything like that here, this is much more carefree and flowy, while as a woof he just gave solid reads and didn't mess around a lot, didn't really go against the flow, etc.

Dolby's the best choice today imo.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Dolby's the best choice today imo.

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How so?

Even though I have no clue what LA is doing and it looks bad.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Even though I have no clue what LA is doing and it looks bad.

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Yeah, the recurring theme for the day is that neither HK, Dolby or LA look great, but we can't figure out who looks SK!bad and who looks Wolf!bad.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

How so?

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Just from memory, felt like he fit with everyone in my poe as a partner and was the least likely to be sk.

I just gonna read through the whole thread again, throughout the day and try to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

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sure, if you want to go ahead. I'll be on dolby today

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

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Safest choice for mafia, which you are not. I know for a fact you are town and killing me today leads to town loss. I would suggest doing as Csargo says so I can tell who is mafia and can kill them.

Laurentus don't throw away your chance at victory by voting me. Unlike Winston who has killed 0 mafia, I have killed 1 making me far more trustworthy.

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Originally Posted by BorgPicard

Laurentus don't throw away your chance at victory by voting me. Unlike Winston who has killed 0 mafia, I have killed 1 making me far more trustworthy.

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LOL, LA, there we go, you just claimed SK finally. Now I believe this claim, because?

Look at day one and what happened to Tim. I think that is self explanatory. Also if you stay on my wagon and get yourself killed I will laugh my ass off in dead chat.

I started with a free n0 read and after killing Tim I used the one I got from that to scan you.

I would rather not leave Winston's death up to chance so let's make a deal Csargo and Laurentus. We flip Dolby and if they are wolf I kill HK and if they are Town I kill Winston. Mafia kills Csargo or Laurentus or foolishly wastes a kill on me. Then either you vote me out with all mafia dead or you make last mafia vote for me and then they get killed by my revenge ability.

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Originally Posted by BorgPicard

I would rather not leave Winston's death up to chance so let's make a deal Csargo and Laurentus. We flip Dolby and if they are wolf I kill HK and if they are Town I kill Winston. Mafia kills Csargo or Laurentus or foolishly wastes a kill on me. Then either you vote me out with all mafia dead or you make last mafia vote for me and then they get killed by my revenge ability.

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But what if you're paired with HK and just win after we chop Dolby?

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Originally Posted by BorgPicard

I would rather not leave Winston's death up to chance so let's make a deal Csargo and Laurentus. We flip Dolby and if they are wolf I kill HK and if they are Town I kill Winston. Mafia kills Csargo or Laurentus or foolishly wastes a kill on me. Then either you vote me out with all mafia dead or you make last mafia vote for me and then they get killed by my revenge ability.

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And how do we make mafia vote for you? :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

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I think this might be correct honestly.

Ngl, I'm starting to believe LA.

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Originally Posted by Laurentus

Ngl, I'm starting to believe LA.

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To believe what? sk?

The problem I see is borg's kinda screwed by the gamestate I think.

and that's supported by the fact that this is the 800th thing he's claimed today.

Oh, yeah, I don't mean I believe he'll townside, I just suddenly believe he's the SK. But that means we're just fucked, I think. Either we kill scum and lose tonight (which is the only rational reason I can see for LA to actually claim, because he knows if he gets through the day he gets two kills and just wins), or we kill him and scum kills us.

There is the possibility that he has no extra kill like he had a few nights ago, but then it's a question of choosing to lose slowly vs fast, because we need to chop him to end the game and win.

Which one do we find most likely here?

Oh, should go without saying, but the whole scenario I just outlined looks at things exclusively from the SK angle. Scum angle is obvious: this is a trick to win.

Why are you even giving credence to borg's claims?

As I indicated after his tracker claim fell flat, he was always going to have to claim sk here.

The question isn't whether you believe him, it's whether he makes more sense as the sk rather than either of the others, based on what happened before he descended into performance art.

It all comes down to the d1 exchanges with Tim, I think.

Was it real or just theatre?

I mean LA's whole game has been theater, so probably.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

The problem I see is borg's kinda screwed by the gamestate I think.

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I am screwed by the game state. I honestly don't see a way I can win

with 7 alive if borg has two kills to use tonight and there are no ways to prevent that from happening we've already lost.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

with 7 alive if borg has two kills to use tonight and there are no ways to prevent that from happening we've already lost.

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I mean, there's a pretty easy way to prevent it.