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imo the thing you've described in that post is a bit ehQuote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
i've said similar things to dya on several occasions as a villager
looking forward to you expanding on it though
also not sure how most of the reasons given on you have nothing to do with alignment?
pending a reread of a few isos not much changed for me yet other than maaaybe considering syn a bit more likely than baudib?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I've had several potential hangups with baudib but over time I've come around to thinking they're pretty reachy and don't really outweigh the positives
which isn't to say they can't be correct obviously but it feels a tad scuffed to claim he's more likely a wolf than syn who imho doesn't actually have that much going for him, sure the entire fiasco with ender would be a pretty wild bus but stranger shit has happened in ww games lol
i didn't really think about going over dya again, felt pretty comfortable with them just always being a villager yesterday but idm giving their iso another look to see if anything jumps at me
i can't comment much on your w!baudib world here, i'm not familiar enough with him to make any sort of assessment on how he'd approach/play around you specifically, but logically it's probably not out of the question for w!baudib to specifically focus on pocketing slots that he's particularly familiar with, esp when the slots in question are people like you/ladd who usually have enough threadpull to carry him along the way if others try to shout back or smth
but that would obviously be a lot of assumptions w/r/t his playstyle and confidence in being able to pocket y'all long term that I don't have an actual basis for
@ dya
i flip town, what’s your thinking afterward?
now after seeing the quotes dya got up on syn i have to admit they look quite a bit better for syn than i remembered lol
im still considering but never ephem, never visor. syn and baudib are kind of at the same level right now and I want to hear from visor more on baudibQuote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
yaQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
i saw it mentioned already but I'm also planning to give yolo the full 48 hours
and fwiw I do agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
while he's still my highest % wolf by quite a margin he's also looking way better than either of the aforementioned slots were lol
not really autopiloting imo. I just did most of the work looking at associations with ender yesterday
I don’t understand how anyone could interpret my play as trying to save Ender. I did a lot to try to get him killed. If your singleminded purpose in the game is to try to get Ender killed and then coast the rest of the way I get it but obviously I was simultaneously trying to solve other slots.
Like ladd/Rask didn’t do much to try to kill Ender, so if they were still alive (wo claim), would you kill them over Syn?
I was literally trolling ladd for defending Ender and not thinking Ender/HK was the team (which, it wasn’t so credit to him but he was mostly on the side of HK being more likely).
possibly. the biggest issue I have with your play is that you didn't really wolf read the wolves until your options were a lot more limited. It almost felt like you were cornered into those reads? you were just so noncommittal at first with them it felt like you didnt really think they were wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
That being said, I am waiting for visor and ephem to talk about you more. Visor has a lot more experience with you than i do
rask had really good interactions with the wolves that made it clear he was a villager.
Ladd i know a lot better and he wasn't wolf-pinging me at all. The way he reads me has a great deal of meaning for what alignment he is
I can see how you would think that but I was kinda obsessed with the HK/Syn dynamic and Zelda/Ender adding to the layers of weirdness there was a lot to process. Also I called out Ender for his fake read on the Zelda wagon, which is why I just moved both of them to the bottom of my list, but Zelda already had like 4-5 votes at that time. So I was mostly concentrating on people I know, which meant I was doing a lot of quiet thinking about Yolo, who I admitted I would be too lenient with.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
Iight so the crux of my argument is this:Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
We are approaching F6 with me, baudi, dya, Visor, Ephem and Syn. At this point, most of the game has me as top POE followed by baudi.
From baudi's POV as a villager, he recognizes that if I'm a villager, it's a rough spot for village because he's the game-losing mislunch. So he engages dya/Syn about it.
Syn then says, "I don't know why you would be worried about that."
This doesn't make any sense.
From baudi's point of view, he SHOULD be worried about that. It should be one of his top priorities to engage. dya shaded baud for it later.
The point of this is that it shows that Syn is not actually thinking critically about baudi's alignment and more in line with wolf perspective. This is a thing wolves do where they will take something a villager says then spin it into the most uncharitable interpretation possible for the sake of dunking villas. It's one of those 'this is easy to spin as wolfy even though it's actually not' angles wolves take in arguments.
I'm also looking at this votecount and thinking about what I would do as a wolf:
The HK wagon blew up out of village just kinda being bored of HK doing nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
IMO a wolf is likelier to bus ender in this gamestate -- dude's always dying D4 latest so just get the cred early.
Some problems I have with this is that Syn's tone has been really good and some of the back and forth he had with Ender seem unaligned.
But I don't know what to think beyond that. Visor I think is town, dya I think is town despite my argument above, baudi I think is town. Syn has the least reasons to be town FMPOV. If it's something deeper I don't know how in the fuck I'm supposed to find it in this gamestate.
In conclusion:
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Vote: Syn
As far as I see I've been POE'd past D2 for skipping out on that phase. Everyone had me as spewed town before the SK flip then threw me in POE for not playing the phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
I skipped phase and have been "falling off" because you could read the first 200 posts of this game and probably deduce the first 4, 5 lunches off it. Every phase has just been mowing down the POE that was largely established D1 with some nitpicky word arguments sprinkled in between. Doesn't make me a wolf, just a bored villager who is not really invested or engaged. It is what it is.
Beyond that I have seen "I don't like YOLO's interactions with ender" which are meh. I did give ender a few chances to get into the game, at a certain point I just got kinda tired of HK doing nothing and decided to kill him instead.
S'all I'ma say with regard to defense.
Dya, if you have time I’d recommend you go back and skim the Euro 13er where you subbed in for Benneh.
For that matter everyone else feel free to take a look. If you think it looks anything like my game here then just shrugyeet me tomorrow if Yolo flips V.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...Friendly-13-er
This is the game where me and Yolo powerwolfed through to V/V wagons everyday before I got outed/RB by Empoof. We voted our partner in a spot where he wasn’t going to die. The extent of my antispew was quoting a post of his early and saying “derp-clear denied” and the town leveled themselves into the ground over it. It was mostly a case of getting out of the way of town implosion and making the right NKs, even if they were baffling to town.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...leblocker-13er
I think it's largely a waste of time to post walls about a single hypothetical world that's ~three day cycles away unless you're trying to expand the POE for Raisins.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
that is me thinking critically about baudib's alignment
there's also the secret reason for not knowing why he would be worried about it: today. I simply do not play this game in a way where I will match someone in effort in case dueling. I don't enjoy it, it's boring. which is why you don't see me responding to any of the shade being thrown my way this phase. baudib will out-effort me always, and people respond favourably to effort. I do not care enough to invest hours of my time in defending myself or in building meticulous cases on people, and this is inevitably seen as wolf behaviour
Well I’m going to avoid saying anything else about Syn until it matters, and it might matter today (but probably not).
OK I'll think on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
I gotta ask tho: I think baudi had been your top wolfread, why the vote on me today?
O nvm.
I remember you said last wolf is in us and you don't care much with regard to preference.
Mm
I'd do baudib first if it were up to me. His posting has the most agenda fmpovQuote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
Something about lunching Syn feels off.
I have kinda been hoping for a wolf in Visor/baudi/dya because it feels like they have been a unit insofar as "let's posts lists/POEs" playstyles that have gridlocked the gamestate in my eyes and I've been playing with the idea that at least 1 wolf was doing that shit.
Idk man, I'm overthinking somewhere.
I would only vote Dya in some configuration that probably can’t happen, like me/Visor/Dya, and there’s a non-zero chance I would just spite vote Visor there anyway, kek
i dont know if this is a communication thing or what but i just want to correct a few things:Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
baudib is perhaps my strongest villa read, but i wouldn't say he is a lock clear read for me (not sure anything would be lock clear ever near endgame), i just have more reasons to believe baudib is a villa based on our interactions and other things ive mentioned earlier, though i will admit it is possible that he is playing a game to specifically pander to me, so i want you and syn, who both think more strongly about him to show me what i am missing
ive actually talked about baudib a decent bit throughout the game but im nto sure youve seen it? i havent played with baudib in a normal game in.... a long time, maybe ever. we mostly played turbos and mashes together so i actually don't have any meta to draw on when it comes to games like this. (and tbh i don't recall how he played turbos or mashes either lol, it was a long time ago)
fwiw i agree with the biggest issue you mentioned re baudib, i mentioned that yesterday when i was going through baudibs progression d1, he didn't comment on the wolf entrances and wolfread them as a sort of consensus wolfread, no comments on their play, just having the right read at the right time.
that said his defence of that was reasonable and i def understand focusing in one direction and adjusting in another so its not like a slam dunk
part of my issue in general i guess is that i just don't care about enders interactions with people because i don't care about spew and ive also wolfed with ender on mu a while back and i know hes perfectly fine to do theatrical stuff
ive become a firm believer that relying on spew is exactly what wolves want you to do and that its a mistake in a lot of instances
yolo, what do you think about baudib/dya/syns posts today and yday
did anything stand out to you?
ive found baudibs posts to be reasonable most of the game and we've been on similar wavelengths a number of times too
in that sense he hsa just felt like a villager to me
I think baudi?s been fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
dya and syn have come in and said kill YOLO with side sus on baudi and hard clearing you. I?m not sure what there is to get out of that ? it seems a lot of villagers have been stuck on baudi, this includes HK and SK
I am baffled by it. I would probably kill you before baudi
interesting, why me over baudib?Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
I think baudi's just been villagery start to finish. Off-chance I'm getting snowed here but I mean he's been engaged, the vast majority of his takes have been reasonable, he's gotten active when burying people when I think he's been justified every time (pzelda, HK, SK, ender), he's shown a looot of like, small considerations and nuance over a long stretch of time to the point I think he's just a villager
I think the way he's engaged his read on me over the course of the game has come from a place of genuinely wanting to solve me as well. He's been going back and forth on it throughout the game, I don't think he'd put this much effort into it as a wolf, at least not this believably
I also don't really get the wolfreads on baudi. I think the truth is that he posts a lot, some posts are registering as "empty/shitposty" in peoples' minds, and they kind of make him fit as the last wolf even if the hard tells for that aren't really there
With you, you've been towny but I have mostly sheeped consensus on you. Syn has had good tone, dya looks like villa dya to me and my perception of how they wolf doesn't seem to be here at all. So I've tinfoiled you, but am just presuming you'll be nk'd if town and/or I'll be dead before it matters
talk to me more about dya if you could
VOTE TALLY
YOLOSWAG 1 Syn
Syn 1 YOLOSWAG
MAJ is in effect. The number is 4.
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Sure, let me re-ISO
im assuming you were a wolf in the first? who were the other wolves?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
man i really feel like yolo is kind of misrepping me. I've said multiple times that I'm not sure if I'd go syn or baudib if yolo flips v and i feel like he's trying to pain me as going after only visor's strongest non mech read
once again there has been major discussion and interaction but when I post everyone is gone
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I lost a post when I was re-ISOING dya but basically these are a couple of posts of them analyzing spew, they do this several times early in their ISO
Basically I agree with nearly all if not all of their takes when they analyze the spew, then the way they approached ender this game really doesn't feel partnered to me from what I remember of how dya wolfs. I'ma try to pull some posts on that
@baudib1 did you seriously link a 5 year old game to say that this isn't your wolf game?
bruh I don't think dya can be a wolf as I'm rereading their ISO
https://media1.giphy.com/media/7pLv68ItwBaHS/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
lmfao
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Originally Posted by baudib1
marko/hardcoreUFO. Second game was me Yolo/TurbobunsQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
yeah I mean I went 4 years without playing and my playstyle hasn’t changed at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
honestly doubt that's true even if you dont realize itQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
im still skimming but you did there what im most concerned about here. called out your wolfbros as having wolfy posts then voting elsewhere
A few points:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
- dya has a lot of progression on ender I find believable. Their reasons for sussing ender are all solid, they're correct to apply pressure when they go at ender harder, but there is enough nuance to what they say about ender that I think they're really processing what their alignment is
- I haven't played with wolf!dya in a long time but have done a few games where they were a wolf. In those games dya would bus if it was +EV but it felt.....more decisive there? This is super thin but idk basically there's enough to their approach here to ender that it doesn't read like a bus to me
- dya has some moments where they explore spicier worlds/reads like
A) actually comes to villager reads on Ephem/YOLO when we were consensus POE/null reads for people
B) prods Visor a few times when no one else was
C) considered a w!Rask world for about 5 seconds then came back to town
D) says they V read everyone then comes back to HK/SK/ender world I think, that POE was consensus but they way they phrased it was villagery
So ya I'll lose to dya ig lmao
Between the two games I only had my vote on a wolf at EOD when it was like 5-5-2 with two town wagons. I said Yolo/Turbo were in my top 4 circle of town.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
But keep reading and form your own conclusions.
I guess you could say weQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
baudi'd that game
re-isoing dya reminded me of something, shoutout to that time ladd called me a wolf for pointing out dya posted Ephemeral's name twice in a reads list
thanks yolo
thats a good post dya has abotu the ender hk stuff
I couldn’t snipe WWS because thread closed too soon one day and voting BATMAn would have been outing. Also that was the only game I didn’t allow WC to be released and you know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
i mean there are differences to be sure. I didnt see a single wall post that game from you.
but the way you interacted with known wolves wasnt as different as you're implying. you often had reason to wolf read them and then not vote them (like early game here)
Ok thenQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I remember thunderdoming BATMANQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
lmao
Good times man, MU went hard back in like 2018-2019, the average game had a lot of really good players. Meta is just village griefing themselves and wolves winning every game these days
whoever the last wolf is has played a pretty decent game. So kudos to them for that. But if yolo flips v I have no idea wtf I'll do
BATMAN trapped me pretty hard and Marl was our MVP tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
also still LOLing that baudib killed me so quickly when I subbed in
Yeah in a game with Apoc/Panther/Lissa/Wiggles/Viggo you were the most dangerous villager by far. It was annoying because I had semi-pocketed Benneh.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
https://i.ibb.co/DLPtxXY/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
ready up dya, I'M A VILLA
i know, I'm beginning to doubt that you're the right choice at allQuote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
ugh
nobody but visor read this
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i think his posting today is pretty good
nobody but dya read this:
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What if we brought me to limlo and F3 was me and two largely V-read players throughout the game
I feel like it?d be a nice melodramatic finish to this game, many lols would be had and such an F3 would be studied by bronanian werewolf scholars for decades to come, with Champs Finales wishing they had even an iota of the intellectualism such an F3 would contain
i mean its better than a lot of previous days but its always easier to post as the last wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
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Originally Posted by Visor
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Originally Posted by dyachei
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i also believe that to be... more of a personality thing with syn rather than an alignemnt indicative thing but i could be making too much of a read into it
yeah, i totally get that. im just...stuck? i have good reasons to v read all three but also some legit reasons to w read themQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I don?t actually have an ordered read list atp, but uh that dya reread made me think top villa
@ baudi why you wolfreading me anyway
ya i get itQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I'm fine with going over today so long as you promise to launch baudib into the sun the day after
Not enough swag tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
I think if you read my comments about you over the course of the game it’s all there. I don’t feel like making a detailed case on you atm because mostly I want you to post as freely as possible because you can helps us if it’s not you.
a little feeling I've been harboring recently for this game which could, potentially be very dumb but I still feel compelled to voice it
i dont think we can realistically afford to go anyone other than yolo today unless we can reach the point where we believe he's a villager strongly enough to stake the game on it
picture this, we hit a villager today in either of syn/baudib
tomorrow has a nonzero(and I'd argue a fairly high, all things considered) chance of just being "well shit we probably overthought it and it was yolo all along"
that would be fine and well if yolo is the last wolf
but if he's not, and we hit the villager between syn and baudib it leads to a spot where the wolf would be at a pretty heavy advantage
again, maybe i'm just being overly paranoid but yknow, food for thought
to clarify, I'm not trying to say we just gotta kill yolo lolshrug
I'm trying to emphasize how important it is for us to really find him if he's a villager and not just settle for "well he sounded cute enough ig" because of how easily it could backfire
if we can't get there... blood for the blood god or something
yeah I agree. my biggest concern is that I think he looks unaligned with zeldaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
I’m pretty comfortable going Syn over Yolo but largely for bad reasons and reasons which may not appeal to anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
better tell us anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
doesn't that go for just about everybody currently here though?Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
zelda was pretty much dead on arrival
i know ender did a thing that d1 and looking back on it i find it pretty funny that he actually genuinely tried to move things off of pzelda
but I'd be pretty shocked if the last wolf was in zelda spew of all things
although maybe there's a chance i'm writing zelda spew off too easily but idk, just how it feels to me atm