think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.
defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.
Originally Posted by pzelda
Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.
Vote: ladd
Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.
Originally Posted by pzelda
What about his most recent town game? Checking only the wolf game feels biased af.
Not that I tr or sr Logic, It's difficult to spit out a conclusion with posts like that.
hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v
He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.
he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.
Originally Posted by pzelda
It doesn't make you a wolf, it makes you less likely a town than most of the players. I'm sure you can do more in the next sixty minutes if you're a villager.
think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.
defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.
Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.
hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v
He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.
he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.
this feels like he's trying to give sk an out
Yeah I dislike the pzelda not w/w with HK logic that?s been floating around.
think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.
defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.
Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.
hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v
He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.
he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.
this feels like he's trying to give sk an out
this is the biggest post ive seen from you post baby i think lol
think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.
defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.
Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.
hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v
He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.
he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.
this feels like he's trying to give sk an out
I lost a post when I was re-ISOING dya but basically these are a couple of posts of them analyzing spew, they do this several times early in their ISO
Basically I agree with nearly all if not all of their takes when they analyze the spew, then the way they approached ender this game really doesn't feel partnered to me from what I remember of how dya wolfs. I'ma try to pull some posts on that
im still skimming but you did there what im most concerned about here. called out your wolfbros as having wolfy posts then voting elsewhere
Between the two games I only had my vote on a wolf at EOD when it was like 5-5-2 with two town wagons. I said Yolo/Turbo were in my top 4 circle of town.
taking a look at ender ISO. caveat: I tend to read them wolf most games
this is in response to pzelda. i think it's fairly neutral. the first line felt pretty strong then petered off. Also this is like the only post of interest in his entire d1. do not like that
really disagree with this take but might be a decent take regardless. i cant rule out a pzelda/hk/ender world though
I really dont understand the ladd vote this morning. think ladd is fine rn, but think he also looks good when you look at how pzelda pushed him yesterday
dunno what to do with this but I wanted to highlight it. seems more concerned about being tied to pzelda/self preservation than a true read
i see that he starts to look at pzelda spew and calls it a good look for ladd so thats good because that was my takeaway too
ends with an iso on syn. where syn didnt tie him to pzelda in his posts. I was starting to lean town on ender here but this makes me unable to do that because now it feels like really defensive posturing about being tied to pzelda.
Originally Posted by dyachei
I want to elim between hk and ender today. I just need to decide which I find wolfier. Gut feels say HK but I need to look at some posts to see if it's warranted
fwiw, my daughter turned 1 this weekend and my in laws are in town. I haven't had a ton of time to be in thread
Rask - i think it's weird you're so preoccupied with my logic push from d1 when I looked at the flips d2 and said I was pretty sure he was a villa? Like why are you not considering that part of the equation?
Originally Posted by dyachei
I probably just need to reread. It's not like i want to elim you rn or anything. I still think hk and ender are more likely to turn up hits. I haven't read d1 in a while and i dont recall the extent of your involvement
Originally Posted by dyachei
I kind of want to believe in the hk/ender/pzelda world. They all are about the same level of wolfy and every time I read someone else, I come back thinking they're really v
Originally Posted by dyachei
gamestate in general. who to look at if hk and ender both end up villagers?
Originally Posted by dyachei
fwiw, i think hk looks worse than ender but I keep getting caught up in these reads and I cant shake that they are both w
Originally Posted by dyachei
while I think ender is also very wolfy, I'd had to let HK skate by again
Originally Posted by dyachei
so ender comes in and disagrees with my rask read...but doesn't comment at all about how when I reread rask, I dismissed my concerns about him entirely.
interesting
Originally Posted by dyachei
rask what do you think of ender's re-entry today?
Originally Posted by dyachei
because i've read eph and yolo and think they're villagers. I haven't reread baudib yet. Plus he wants me to respect his wolfgame more
Originally Posted by dyachei
it really strikes me as weird that if ender *is* a villager, he can't see the issues with HK clearly and sees HK as a villager, too. This is part of what is making me think w/w is a possibility there. Ender keeps defending HK when *if* he is a villager, he wouldnt know HK's alignment and should want to self-pres on hk. Or re-eval HK to see what he's missing
Originally Posted by dyachei
still dont like ender but I'm not sure because I dont have the best track record reading him
need to reread ladd but probably wont do that tonight
Originally Posted by dyachei
visor get with the program. I've spent several days saying ender is a wolf with reasoning why. I didn't have the mech info, but I said it multiple times and kept adding to the read as I kept looking at it
A few points:
- dya has a lot of progression on ender I find believable. Their reasons for sussing ender are all solid, they're correct to apply pressure when they go at ender harder, but there is enough nuance to what they say about ender that I think they're really processing what their alignment is
- I haven't played with wolf!dya in a long time but have done a few games where they were a wolf. In those games dya would bus if it was +EV but it felt.....more decisive there? This is super thin but idk basically there's enough to their approach here to ender that it doesn't read like a bus to me
- dya has some moments where they explore spicier worlds/reads like
A) actually comes to villager reads on Ephem/YOLO when we were consensus POE/null reads for people
B) prods Visor a few times when no one else was
C) considered a w!Rask world for about 5 seconds then came back to town
D) says they V read everyone then comes back to HK/SK/ender world I think, that POE was consensus but they way they phrased it was villagery
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Originally Posted by pzelda
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