Deadliest Warrior

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Samuri vs Viking was pretty silly. In real life the Viking would kneel behind his shield when the Samuri used his bow, and he'd have to face the Viking's spear in close quarters, not just as a thrown weapon (typically Northmen carried 3-4 "spears" into battle, or had their servant carry them).

Knight vs Pirate was also silly, the Knight didn't have a crossbow.

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Did you ever see ThegnThrand's videos on YouTube? He spends a lot of time (probably too much) describing things like what you say.

Does anyone else notice that in every episode, there has to be at least one completely ridiculous weapon? The spit of poison and the ball and chain from the Shaka/Wallace episode come readily to mind...

And don't even get me started on the fact that they spent a quarter of the show touting Alexander's unarmed combat abilities and then had him lose to Atilla the moment he lost his sword.

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Originally Posted by jabarto

THe best part of the show, though, is watching the pissing matches between the experts. The Spartan vs. Ninja one was pretty good in that regard.

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It's actually a bit sad to see them get so emotional about it.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Samuri vs Viking was pretty silly. In real life the Viking would kneel behind his shield when the Samuri used his bow, and he'd have to face the Viking's spear in close quarters, not just as a thrown weapon (typically Northmen carried 3-4 "spears" into battle, or had their servant carry them).

Knight vs Pirate was also silly, the Knight didn't have a crossbow.

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Yeah, I noticed that the computer program they use (among other reasons) to determine the victor limits the reality of the fight.

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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

Yeah, I noticed that the computer program they use (among other reasons) to determine the victor limits the reality of the fight.

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I think they just use excel, with some formulas and randomness.

The whole thing is so absurd to me that it can't even be shallow entertainment.

CR

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Originally Posted by jabarto

Did you ever see ThegnThrand's videos on YouTube? He spends a lot of time (probably too much) describing things like what you say.

Does anyone else notice that in every episode, there has to be at least one completely ridiculous weapon? The spit of poison and the ball and chain from the Shaka/Wallace episode come readily to mind...

And don't even get me started on the fact that they spent a quarter of the show touting Alexander's unarmed combat abilities and then had him lose to Atilla the moment he lost his sword.

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Alexander is an interesting one to do, because we aren't sure what size he was. He may have been as short as 4'10. Ball and Chain (Bishop's knocker) is an excellent weapon, but the choice of the Zulu team to use "spit of poisen" clearly screwed them. As I understand it the "teams" put foward the weapon set themselves.

So the Vikings could have used the Longbow, or Long Axe, instead of throwing thrusting spears and using the Great Axe. Also labelling the shield "special" was absurd. The throwing axe is much more a special weapon. That whole fight was a duff match up, because the Samauri is elite, and they pitted him against what was basically a Viking Carl. They also totally underplayed the dicipline of Viking warriors (men who fought in the shieldwall.)

Sorry, rant over.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Alexander is an interesting one to do, because we aren't sure what size he was. He may have been as short as 4'10. Ball and Chain (Bishop's knocker) is an excellent weapon, but the choice of the Zulu team to use "spit of poisen" clearly screwed them. As I understand it the "teams" put foward the weapon set themselves.

So the Vikings could have used the Longbow, or Long Axe, instead of throwing thrusting spears and using the Great Axe. Also labelling the shield "special" was absurd. The throwing axe is much more a special weapon. That whole fight was a duff match up, because the Samauri is elite, and they pitted him against what was basically a Viking Carl. They also totally underplayed the dicipline of Viking warriors (men who fought in the shieldwall.)

Sorry, rant over.

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Well, as a history buff, I enjoy seeing rants of this nature. :beam:

Speaking of which, if it's not too off-topic, I'd like to ask if you know any good books on Viking culture and warfare. I've asked this question many times, and am usually told to go read Osprey, and since you're an EB member you likely have a better grasp of history than the average person, even if this particular topic isn't your focus.

Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.

seriously though good books.

The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.

watching this show just pisses me off so much.

its like bash western european fighters contest.

Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.

and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.

seriously though good books.

The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.

watching this show just pisses me off so much.

its like bash western european fighters contest.

Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.

and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.

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Actually most of japanese armies consisted of Ashigaru foot soldiers. Other then that the show only has entertainment value,nothing more nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.

seriously though good books.

The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.

watching this show just pisses me off so much.

its like bash western european fighters contest.

Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.

and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.

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I agree whole-heartedly. I think guys like this are where they draw their pool of experts: http://poetv.com/video.php?vid=73364

The worst was the Shaolin Monk vs. Maori Warrior. What an insult to the Shaolin to even consider such a match. The Shaolin are so many miles above them in the skill level and sophistication of fighting and fighting techniques, and has weapons that were infinitely superior. It is like putting a US Marine against an unarmed 14 year old school girl...it is not even a fight, it is a slaughter.
I just don't understand why they cut the monk down so much in the show. (or why he was even on the show, him not being a warrior :P)

Also I think the Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu episode is going to be a pretty good acid test of their eastern bias. I mean, you're pitting one of the most psychotically brutal warriors in history (with a 2000 year technology advantage to boot) against a strategist with no record of ever having been in actual combat. Mark my words, it's going to be the most lopsided episode they've ever done.

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Originally Posted by jabarto

Also I think the Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu episode is going to be a pretty good acid test of their eastern bias. I mean, you're pitting one of the most psychotically brutal warriors in history (with a 2000 year technology advantage to boot) against a strategist with no record of ever having been in actual combat. Mark my words, it's going to be the most lopsided episode they've ever done.

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Are they seriously doing that? Why do they always have to make the most mentally retarded match-ups ever! How is this for an excellent match-up? Hwarang vs 1st Century Parthian Cataphract?
THAT would be a bad-@$$ showdown. :P I am sure that they would find a way to mess it up though. :P

the thign is vuk they dont know what a hwarang is or where parthia is on a map.

my predicted next match up

briton head hurler vs. roman arcani.

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Originally Posted by jabarto

Well, as a history buff, I enjoy seeing rants of this nature. :beam:

Speaking of which, if it's not too off-topic, I'd like to ask if you know any good books on Viking culture and warfare. I've asked this question many times, and am usually told to go read Osprey, and since you're an EB member you likely have a better grasp of history than the average person, even if this particular topic isn't your focus.

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Books on any period in history are necessarily populist. Most actually good work is in journal articles, but if you don't have a university library that doesn't help.

Generally, avoid osprey and anything written before about 1995, as Victorian mythos did not begin to shift before then. It's actually the publisher you need to look at, Universitry Press books, D.S. Brewer, Blackwell. Names like that.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.

seriously though good books.

The katan wouldnt touch a vikings chainmail and leather byrnie, wool cloth..... etc.

watching this show just pisses me off so much.

its like bash western european fighters contest.

Edit: and the experts dont know **** i know more than those queers. The samurai experts were a martial artist and some queer american-japanese guy. like seriously he sounded like he would piss his breeches in a fight.

and phillips samurai were not really "elite". Popular misconception. on average a medival knight is more elite as in terms of numbers. Everyone in a japanese army was usually "samurai". even most ronin and wako were samurai.

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Ronin were Ronin, not Samurai, that's a contradiction in terms. As to the status of Samurai generally, it depends on the period, but generally Samurai are proffesional soldiers, while the Viking they depicted was more of the level of an itinerant raider.

A Robin is a debased samurai like a hedge Knight. Then they should have used like a thegn versus a daimyo to be precise and yeah I guess they were like professional soldiers but in many cases they didn't even have horses or the archetypes armor

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Bernard Cornwells new series...... lol at least he uses a freaking shield wall.

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I enjoy his Saxon Series, too. Can't wait to purchase his latest book.

Sorry that's the one I meant did you read the burning land yet?

Naw not yet, but holy damn, I can't wait! I'll likely buy it later today, 'cuz I don't work this Monday and I'll be out shoppin! Been so busy with uni finals and starting my job this past month or two.

Oh its reallyyyyyy good and now I can't wait for the next one. Uhtreds mah boy

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Generally, avoid osprey and anything written before about 1995, as Victorian mythos did not begin to shift before then. It's actually the publisher you need to look at, Universitry Press books, D.S. Brewer, Blackwell. Names like that.

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Off topic slightly: I'm looking for a respectable book on the history of modern Vietnam (1600 onwards-ish), but I can't find anything on Amazon. Do you have any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

A Robin is a debased samurai like a hedge Knight. Then they should have used like a thegn versus a daimyo to be precise and yeah I guess they were like professional soldiers but in many cases they didn't even have horses or the archetypes armor

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Many Samurai went podgy and fat towards the end of the Edo period, particularly in Edo itself.

Don't miss Deadlier Warrior, coming soon to a Youtube channel near you! ~;)
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Happy to report that the scripts for the first three episodes have been written and all seven of the others are thoroughly planned out! Shooting starts on the beginning of next month! You will be seeing the first previews of Deadlier Warrior within a month!

I gotta say, I was expecting the Nazi vs Vietcong episode to be the cheesiest they've ever done, but it wasn't half as bad as I expected. I guess nothing will ever top IRA vs Taliban for complete retardation.

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Originally Posted by jabarto

Also I think the Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu episode is going to be a pretty good acid test of their eastern bias. I mean, you're pitting one of the most psychotically brutal warriors in history (with a 2000 year technology advantage to boot) against a strategist with no record of ever having been in actual combat. Mark my words, it's going to be the most lopsided episode they've ever done.

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Eastern bias? What the hell is eastern bias? Eastern "hemisphere" bias as in geographic Africa and all of Eurasia?
Or do you mean "Eastern" as in you lumping together a bajillion different civilizations an cultures together that have absolutely nothing in common, and call them eastern just because they happen to be east of the Greece?

Don't forget how the Spartan beat both the ninja and samurai.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

the thign is vuk they dont know what a hwarang is or where parthia is on a map.
my predicted next match up
briton head hurler vs. roman arcani.

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Fictional British units and fictional Roman ninjas.

If they are headed down that road, they might as well go for Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee, or Superman vs Hulk on the last season.

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Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Fictional British units and fictional Roman ninjas.

If they are headed down that road, they might as well go for Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee, or Superman vs Hulk on the last season.

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Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee has been done.

Bruce snapped Chuck's neck.

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Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee has been done.

Bruce snapped Chuck's neck.

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Good fight though, fairly even the entire way!

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or Superman vs Hulk on the last season.

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Superman all the way! He doesn't tire with a yellow sun! Unless, of course, the Hulk has kryptonite...then he wins! So that one is not so close, depends on outside variables! :) :P

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Chuck Norris vs Bruce Lee has been done.
Bruce snapped Chuck's neck.

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Originally Posted by A Nerd

Good fight though, fairly even the entire way!

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Rawr, indeed it was. But I suspect neither were fighting at their full potential (otherwise the world could've been destroyed).
Nonetheless, I'd say an old Chuck Norris with hair migrated from his chest to his chin VS the Ghost of Bruce Lee would be an interesting matchup.

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Originally Posted by A Nerd

Superman all the way! He doesn't tire with a yellow sun! Unless, of course, the Hulk has kryptonite...then he wins! So that one is not so close, depends on outside variables! :) :P

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I wonder what the raw physical strength of each contestant is? I've seen both Superman and the Hulk pick up and throw tanks around like baseballs.


Long range: Superman heat rays, Hulk picks stuff up and throws it at you (more often than superman)
Medium Range: Superman tornado/ice storm breath, Hulk thunderclap shockwave
Short Range: Superman super punches/kicks, Hulk super punch/kick/smash

Oh, geez... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Eastern bias? What the hell is eastern bias? Eastern "hemisphere" bias as in geographic Africa and all of Eurasia?
Or do you mean "Eastern" as in you lumping together a bajillion different civilizations an cultures together that have absolutely nothing in common, and call them eastern just because they happen to be east of the Greece?

Don't forget how the Spartan beat both the ninja and samurai.

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Save the sweeping, trolling generalizations for the SpikeTV boards, if you would.