Well, I'm glad the wise men of the UN figured that all out for us. Phew.
~:rolleyes:
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Well, I'm glad the wise men of the UN figured that all out for us. Phew.
~:rolleyes:
But the wording is largely taken from the US Declaration of Independence. The UN Charter only adds you know... some minor tweeks, like rights of Children, Amnesty, and so forth... that most countries outside of Europe haven't adopted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Do you think humans should not have the right to life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
No, it is a privilege that can be lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
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Why should we/they? I don't have a coherent answer, just thought I'd take the thread in a different direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
It doesn't really follow that simply being born grants you such rights.
And it is also only humans that are granted a right to life, why only our species and no others?
Because there are two different forms of life:Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
1. Humans.
2. Food.
Weren't you earlier denying the humanity of foetuses but it is somewhat harder to deny their status as living things, thus they are food? I think there's something a bit more objectionable about eating the things than just aborting them.
A better question is why shouldn't humans in general (to answer rory's statement) have the right to live? Why does one innocent human have more of a right to live than another?Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Why not? You were born, and you don't have the right to live if you wish to? Sounds like how Hitler thought about the Jews to me.Quote:
It doesn't really follow that simply being born grants you such rights.
We were intelligent and strong enough to assert our dominance. Besides, scientifically, humans are omnivores. Therefore, animals are viewed in the same way plants are - as resources, as food. Of course, taboos exist.Quote:
And it is also only humans that are granted a right to life, why only our species and no others?
No, it doesn't. I'm not removing a single group's right to an existence. Everyone can die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
I'm not saying I, or anyone else, should have the right to kill on a whim, but I don't think anyone has an inherent right to be alive. After all, what has anyone done to earn that right?
I don't think that should give us more rights to life, or a life without pain, than another species but I imagine most would disagree.Quote:
We were intelligent and strong enough to assert our dominance. Besides, scientifically, humans are omnivores. Therefore, animals are viewed in the same way plants are - as resources, as food. Of course, taboos exist.
Abortion shoudnt be legal in a perfect wrold yes But not now. I am deeply saddened by this fact but when there is no decency left in the wrold I guess thats how it is Equating humans with cows has no plaice in this disscusion. Human life is worth much more you know this and your Texas refrence is made merley to get a rise out of me nice try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakizashi
Godwin's law! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
There should be some kind of Godwins law about godwins law... the longer the conversation continues the more chance of it being invoked....
Then the person who invokes Godwin's Law first automatically loses the argument. :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Let's just call it Godwin's 2nd law.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Plants are living things. Fetuses are living things too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
And I like to mow my lawn.
Ok. So? It's not simply being alive that gives you a right to life then, is it?
Nope. Being human does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
What exactly is it about being human that gives us that right?
Because I can guarantee there is at least one animal that shares that quality with us. Oh, and no 'us vs them' crap.
Craterus, are you arguing just against a natural right to life, or are you arguing there is no such thing as natural right whatsoever? Because it seems the right to life is pretty fundamental to any system of rights. If humans do not have an inherent right to life, governments would need no reason to execute someone, as doing so would not be a violation of their rights. Rights to property, freedom, expression, and so on would seem pretty meaningless without the right to life to support them. Where exactly do you want to take this argument?
Ajax
I'm just arguing against rights in general.
Because cannibalism is a bad idea. Bad nutrition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus